The humble and earnest request of Thomas Iames, Dr of Diuinity, and subdeane of the Cathedrall Church of Welles, to the Church of England; for, and in the behalfe of bookes touching religion
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             The humble and earnest request of Thomas Iames, Dr of Diuinity, and subdeane of the Cathedrall Church of Welles, to the Church of England; for, and in the behalfe of bookes touching religion
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           THE
           HVMBLE
           AND
           EARNEST
           REQVEST
           OF
           THOMAS
           IAMES
           ,
           Dr
           OF
           DIVINITY
           ,
           AND
           SVB
           DEANE
           of
           the
           Cathedrall
           Church
           of
           
             Welles
             ,
          
           to
           the
           
             Church
             of
             England
             ;
          
           for
           ,
           and
           in
           the
           behalfe
           of
           Bookes
           touching
           Religion
           .
        
         
           1
           THat
           the
           
             Latine-Fathers
          
           workes
           ,
           (
           whereof
           diuers
           are
           already
           done
           )
           
           the
           Bookes
           of
           
             Councels
             ,
          
           and
           the
           body
           of
           the
           
             Canon
             Law
             ,
          
           may
           be
           diligently
           reviewed
           and
           compared
           With
           the
           best
           
             Manuscripts
             ;
          
           and
           the
           Collections
           and
           needfull
           obseruations
           thence-from
           arising
           ,
           printed
           ;
           together
           with
           the
           pieces
           and
           fragments
           of
           the
           
             Fathers
          
           workes
           (
           if
           any
           shall
           be
           found
           .
           )
        
         
           2
           That
           the
           
             Latine
             Translation
          
           of
           the
           
             Greeke
             Fathers
          
           may
           be
           collationed
           by
           able
           and
           fit
           persons
           ,
           by
           reason
           of
           diuerse
           
             Christophorsons
          
           and
           Iesuits
           ,
           that
           haue
           too-too
           much
           abused
           the
           ignorant
           of
           the
           tongue
           .
        
         
           3
           That
           the
           
             Jndices
             :
             Expurgatory
          
           
           may
           be
           likewise
           perused
           ,
           all
           of
           them
           ,
           as
           many
           as
           can
           be
           gotten
           ,
           the
           places
           forbidden
           to
           be
           transcribed
           ,
           of
           which
           labour
           there
           is
           a
           third
           part
           at
           the
           least
           already
           taken
           either
           by
           me
           ,
           or
           my
           procurement
           .
        
         
           4
           That
           
             Lyra
             and
             the
             Glosse
             ,
          
           the
           
             Great
             Bibliotheea
             sanctorum
             Patrum
             ,
             Platina
             ,
             Caietan
             ,
             Alphonsus
             de
             Castro
             ,
          
           and
           sundry
           others
           of
           all
           sorts
           of
           Authors
           ,
           may
           be
           compared
           with
           former
           
             Editions
             ,
          
           and
           
             Manuscripts
          
           (
           if
           need
           be
           )
           to
           meet
           with
           their
           secret
           
             Jndices
             Expurgatorii
             ,
          
           which
           are
           the
           more
           dangerous
           ,
           because
           they
           print
           ,
           and
           leaue
           out
           what
           they
           
           list
           ,
           at
           pleasure
           ,
           and
           yet
           make
           no
           words
           of
           it
           ,
           neither
           haue
           any
           Commission
           knowne
           for
           to
           doe
           it
           .
        
         
           5
           That
           the
           
             Authors
             of
             the
             middle
             age
             ,
          
           that
           wrote
           in
           the
           defence
           of
           that
           Religion
           ,
           which
           is
           now
           (
           thankes
           be
           to
           God
           )
           publikely
           established
           in
           the
           
             Church
          
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           for
           the
           substance
           thereof
           ,
           may
           be
           faithfully
           transcribed
           ,
           diligently
           collated
           ,
           &
           distributed
           into
           volumes
           ,
           whereof
           many
           may
           be
           made
           of
           orthod
           oxe-writers
           ;
           ;
           if
           not
           so
           many
           as
           of
           their
           
             Bibliotheca
             Patrum
             Probabilium
             :
          
           adding
           hereunto
           such
           Writers
           ,
           as
           being
           bred
           and
           
           brought
           vp
           in
           the
           bosome
           of
           the
           
             Roman
             Church
          
           saw
           the
           disorders
           ,
           discouered
           their
           abuses
           both
           in
           doctrine
           and
           manners
           ,
           and
           wished
           almost
           for
           the
           same
           reformation
           ,
           that
           was
           afterward
           most
           happily
           wrought
           &
           brought
           to
           passe
           by
           
             Martin
             Luther
          
           and
           his
           companions
           :
           of
           the
           first
           sort
           are
           
             Wickliffe
             ,
             Peacocke
             ,
             Gu.
             de
             S.
             Amore
             ,
             Jo.
             P.
             Mi●orita
             ,
             Normannus
             Anon
             ,
             Nic.
             O●em
          
           &
           sundry
           others
           :
           of
           the
           Later
           kinde
           ,
           
             Wesselus
             ,
             Wicelius
             ,
             P.
             de
             Alliaco
             ,
             Faber
             ,
             Gerson
             ,
             Cusarius
             ,
          
           and
           such
           like
           .
        
         
           6
           That
           the
           
             Catalogus
             testium
             veritatis
             ,
          
           compiled
           by
           
             Illyricus
             ,
          
           
           may
           be
           rectified
           out
           of
           the
           originals
           ,
           quoting
           Booke
           ,
           Chapter
           ,
           &
           Edition
           ;
           &
           supplyed
           out
           of
           the
           vnprinted
           
             Manuscripts
             .
          
        
         
           7
           That
           out
           of
           all
           these
           an
           
             Anticoccius
          
           may
           be
           framed
           out
           of
           
             Fathers
             ,
             and
             middle-aged
             Writers
             ,
          
           that
           were
           in
           their
           times
           esteemed
           of
           the
           Church
           of
           
             Rome
             ,
          
           and
           out
           of
           them
           onely
           :
           nothing
           doubting
           but
           we
           shall
           be
           able
           to
           match
           ,
           if
           not
           exceed
           ,
           his
           two
           large
           Volumes
           both
           in
           greatnes
           and
           goodnesse
           ;
           quoting
           as
           before
           ,
           precisely
           ,
           our
           Editions
           ,
           and
           doing
           all
           
             fide
             optima
             &
             antiqua
             ,
          
           religiously
           and
           vnpartially
           as
           becommeth
           Diuines
           .
        
         
         
           8
           That
           the
           
             supposititious
          
           and
           
             Bastard
             Workes
             of
             the
             Fathers
             ,
          
           noted
           by
           Doctor
           
             Rivet
             ,
          
           or
           Master
           
             Cooke
             ,
          
           or
           any
           other
           ,
           may
           be
           re-examined
           ;
           their
           exceptions
           scanned
           or
           weighed
           with
           indifferency
           ,
           &
           other
           reasons
           added
           to
           their
           challenge
           ,
           if
           any
           shal
           be
           found
           .
        
         
           9
           That
           the
           suspected
           places
           may
           be
           viewed
           in
           the
           true
           
             Fathers
             ,
          
           which
           are
           justly
           challenged
           of
           corruption
           ,
           either
           by
           our
           own
           men
           ,
           or
           the
           aduersary
           ,
           with
           the
           like
           indifference
           of
           minds
           ,
           and
           vnpartiality
           of
           judgments
           ,
           being
           cōpared
           with
           the
           touchstone
           of
           the
           old
           
             Manuscripts
             ,
          
           and
           
           printed
           bookes
           ,
           which
           are
           
             quasi
             Manuscripts
             .
          
        
         
           Tenthly
           and
           lastly
           ,
           the
           perpetuall
           
             Visibility
             of
             the
             Church
             ,
          
           more
           or
           lesse
           ,
           and
           the
           History
           of
           the
           same
           Religion
           that
           we
           professe
           for
           the
           substance
           thereof
           ,
           throughout
           all
           ages
           ,
           may
           be
           shewed
           to
           the
           Eye
           ,
           noting
           when
           those
           Novelismes
           &
           superadditaments
           of
           the
           
             Church
             of
             Rome
             ,
          
           came
           in
           as
           neare
           as
           may
           be
           guessed
           ,
           the
           time
           when
           ,
           and
           parties
           by
           whom
           they
           were
           opposed
           .
        
         
           All
           vvhich
           10
           
             Propositions
             ,
          
           (
           needfull
           and
           important
           as
           they
           are
           )
           I
           doe
           vvillingly
           commend
           
           vnto
           my
           deare
           Mother
           the
           
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
          
           and
           from
           her
           to
           the
           
             Cleargie
          
           &
           
             Gentry
          
           of
           this
           Land
           ,
           to
           be
           proceeded
           in
           ,
           as
           they
           shall
           see
           it
           most
           expedient
           for
           the
           common
           good
           ;
           promising
           nothing
           but
           my
           paines
           to
           be
           commanded
           in
           these
           publique
           seruices
           .
           And
           I
           make
           no
           doubt
           (
           if
           God
           vvill
           )
           but
           that
           all
           this
           may
           be
           effected
           ,
           vvithin
           some
           fevv
           yeares
           ,
           if
           the
           Almghty
           giue
           grace
           ,
           the
           Rich
           vvhom
           God
           hath
           blessed
           vvith
           this
           vvorldly
           substance
           ,
           incouragement
           ;
           &
           the
           rest
           their
           prayers
           .
           Of
           the
           likelihood
           hereof
           I
           am
           the
           rather
           persvvaded
           ,
           because
           
           
           
           
           
           already
           by
           my
           ovvne
           meanes
           ,
           and
           small
           endeauours
           ,
           there
           is
           almost
           a
           fourth
           part
           of
           the
           Worke
           done
           in
           all
           these
           10
           
             Articles
             .
          
           If
           one
           alone
           may
           doe
           so
           much
           vvithin
           such
           a
           time
           ,
           vvhat
           may
           a
           dozen
           able
           Schollers
           (
           such
           as
           I
           knovv
           and
           could
           name
           )
           doe
           vvithin
           5
           ,
           6
           ,
           7
           ,
           or
           8
           yeares
           ,
           vvhich
           is
           the
           vtmost
           in
           my
           conjecture
           ?
        
         
           For
           the
           raising
           of
           the
           charges
           ,
           vvhich
           vvill
           amount
           to
           three
           thousand
           pound
           Stock
           ,
           or
           three
           hundred
           pound
           a
           yeare
           at
           the
           least
           ,
           (
           so
           much
           shal
           vvell
           cōtent
           both
           me
           and
           them
           ,
           )
           that
           shall
           be
           imploied
           in
           this
           happy
           
           Worke
           :
           (
           though
           if
           more
           be
           offered
           ,
           vve
           knovv
           vvell
           hovv
           to
           vse
           and
           imploy
           it
           to
           the
           publique
           benefit
           :
           )
           and
           of
           raising
           such
           a
           summe
           as
           this
           is
           ,
           I
           doubt
           not
           ,
           if
           some
           one
           of
           the
           
             Cleargie
          
           or
           
             Laitie
          
           shal
           not
           take
           vpon
           him
           the
           whole
           charge
           ,
           as
           many
           in
           this
           Kingdome
           are
           (
           thankes
           be
           to
           God
           )
           able
           ,
           and
           would
           be
           willing
           ,
           if
           they
           either
           knew
           of
           the
           good
           that
           is
           likely
           to
           come
           vnto
           the
           Church
           ,
           or
           the
           Honor
           vnto
           themselues
           ,
           and
           chiefly
           how
           much
           this
           busines
           doth
           concerne
           the
           glory
           of
           God
           ,
           the
           assuring
           of
           the
           most
           materiall
           points
           controverted
           ,
           whiles
           
           there
           are
           daily
           questions
           made
           ,
           &
           doubts
           arising
           either
           about
           the
           Editions
           ,
           Readings
           ,
           Translations
           ,
           Corruptions
           of
           whole
           Bookes
           in
           Pseudepigraphous
           Writers
           ,
           or
           of
           diuers
           hundreds
           of
           places
           in
           the
           True
           Bookes
           ,
           all
           which
           difficulties
           will
           easily
           be
           auoided
           (
           as
           I
           trust
           )
           by
           this
           one
           Worke
           being
           once
           well
           done
           .
           But
           that
           such
           a
           Stocke
           or
           annuall
           rent
           may
           be
           made
           ,
           I
           doubt
           not
           ;
           but
           am
           somewhat
           confident
           ,
           when
           I
           see
           how
           fruitfull
           our
           Religion
           hath
           bin
           of
           good
           Workes
           ,
           and
           how
           many
           
             Suttons
          
           and
           
             Bodleyes
             ,
          
           and
           other
           godly
           men
           it
           hath
           yeelded
           ,
           no
           
           Nation
           more
           :
           and
           herein
           no
           city
           ,
           (
           I
           except
           not
           
             Rome
          
           her self
           )
           without
           the
           hope
           of
           pardon
           ,
           guile
           of
           Confessours
           ,
           and
           feare
           of
           Purgatory
           ,
           is
           able
           to
           match
           or
           equalize
           ,
           much
           lesse
           to
           surpasse
           or
           exceed
           our
           famous
           City
           of
           
             London
          
           in
           the
           right
           vse
           and
           end
           of
           giuing
           as
           tokens
           of
           our
           Faith
           ,
           not
           as
           the
           meanes
           of
           our
           saluation
           .
           What
           shall
           I
           speak
           of
           the
           
             Sages
          
           of
           our
           
             Law
             ,
          
           or
           
             Innes
             of
             Court
             ?
          
           but
           my
           desire
           is
           ,
           and
           proposall
           shall
           be
           to
           offer
           this
           great
           Honour
           ,
           first
           vnto
           the
           
             Cleargie
          
           of
           this
           Land.
           The
           Popish
           
             Cleargie
          
           in
           
             France
          
           haue
           (
           as
           I
           am
           informed
           )
           at
           their
           
           owne
           charges
           printed
           the
           
             Greek
             Fathers
             ,
          
           &
           shall
           not
           we
           be
           prouoked
           to
           doe
           the
           like
           for
           the
           
             Latine
             ,
          
           and
           many
           things
           else
           that
           import
           the
           Weale
           Publique
           of
           Learning
           ?
           Twelue
           pound
           out
           of
           euery
           
             Diocese
          
           one
           with
           another
           ,
           from
           the
           
             Cathedrall
             Churches
             ,
          
           the
           
             Reuerend
             Bishops
          
           and
           
             Cleargie
             ,
          
           will
           make
           vp
           the
           sūme
           ;
           or
           if
           euery
           one
           of
           the
           
             Cleargie
          
           of
           this
           famous
           Church
           ,
           will
           either
           giue
           yearely
           xij
           d
           ,
           or
           but
           lend
           ij
           f
           ,
           till
           any
           thing
           be
           printed
           ,
           he
           shall
           haue
           the
           same
           againe
           with
           thankes
           ,
           (
           if
           it
           be
           demanded
           ,
           )
           deducted
           out
           of
           the
           Booke
           ,
           when
           any
           thing
           shall
           be
           
           printed
           ;
           I
           meane
           this
           xij
           d
           or
           two
           shillings
           of
           euery
           hundred
           pound
           ,
           they
           making
           their
           own
           estimates
           of
           their
           liuings
           ,
           and
           paying
           the
           same
           halfe
           yearely
           to
           the
           
             Register
          
           of
           euerie
           
             Diocese
             .
          
           But
           my
           intent
           is
           to
           desire
           ,
           &
           not
           to
           prescribe
           vnto
           my
           
             Superiours
             ,
          
           who
           know
           better
           then
           I
           how
           to
           manage
           so
           weightie
           and
           important
           a
           busines
           ,
           resting
           theirs
        
         
           
             Wholly
             to
             command
             T.
             I.
             S.
             T.
             P.
             B.
             P.
             N.
             
          
        
      
    
     
       
         
         
           I
           Approue
           of
           the
           things
           here
           proiected
           ,
           &
           wish
           with
           all
           my
           heart
           they
           may
           take
           good
           effect
        
         
           LV.
           PRIDEAVX
           Vicecanc
           .
           S.
           T.
           D.
           Prof.
           Reg.
           Theol.
           
        
         
           ROD.
           KETTELL
           Preses
           Coll.
           S.
           Trinit
           .
        
         
           LEON
           .
           HVTTEN
           Aedis
           Christi
           Praebend
           .
        
         
           GVIL
           .
           LANGTON
           Coll.
           Magd.
           Praeses
           .
        
         
           SEBASTIANVS
           BENEFIELD
           Lecturae
           Margareticae
           Professor
           .
        
         
           IO.
           PARKEHVRST
           Magister
           Coll.
           Ball.
           
        
         
           IO.
           RAVLENSON
           Principalis
           Aulae
           S.
           Edmundi
           .
        
         
           IO.
           WILKINSON
           Aul.
           Magd.
           Praep.
           
        
         
           GVIL
           .
           PEIRS
           Decanus
           Petriburgensis
           .
        
         
           SAM
           .
           FELL
           Aedis
           Christi
           Praebend
           .
        
         
           THO.
           ILES
           Aulae
           Cervinae
           Principalis
           .
        
         
           RIC.
           ASTELEY
           Custos
           Coll.
           Omnium
           Animarum
           .
        
         
           ROB.
           PINCK
           Novi
           Coll.
           Custos
           .
        
         
           GV.
           SMYTH
           Coll.
           Wadham
           .
           Guard.
           
        
         
           IO.
           TOLSON
           Coll.
           Oriel
           .
           Praepositus
           .
        
         
           PAVLVS
           HOOD
           Coll.
           Lincoln
           .
           Rector
           .
        
         
           GVIL
           .
           IVXON
           Coll.
           D.
           IO.
           Praeses
           .