A discourse, prepared for the ears of some Romanists (at a general quarter sessions, in the north, when they were summon'd to take the oaths.) By Sr. Christopher Wyvill baronet, one of His Majesties justices of the peace in those parts: and now profered to the eyes of them all Wyvill, Christopher, Sir, 1614-1672?. 1679 Approx. 20 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 9 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2004-11 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A67231 Wing W3782B ESTC R204134 99825317 99825317 29697 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. 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Popish Plot, 1678 -- Early works to 1800. 2004-04 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-05 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2004-07 Emma (Leeson) Huber Sampled and proofread 2004-07 Emma (Leeson) Huber Text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A DISCOURSE , Prepared for the Ears of some ROMANISTS ( At a general Quarter Sessions , in the North , When they were Summon'd to take the Oaths . ) By Sr. Christopher Wyvill Baronet , One of His Majesties Justices of the Peace in those Parts : And now profered to the Eyes of them all YORK . Printed by Stephen Bulkley , and are to be sold by Richard Lambart Bookseller , 1679. Imprimatur , Robert Feild . Aug. 29. 1679. A DISCOURSE , Prepared for the Eears of some ROMANISTS , &c. I Am not onely sorry and troubled , but afflicted , to see so many Persons standing there , who ( could they but quit themselves of one or two needless scruples , pardon me Gentlemen , if I use that term ) were fit to sit here and mannage the Affaires of the Country . Realy , I would not wish any of you ( upon the meer accompt either of your purses or Persons ) to turn your backs of one Fundamentall Doctrine , that appears such , upon a serious and impartial enquirie ; but even in consideration of those your temporal concerns , you may have just occasion , to review your Notions , and after due search easily find . 1. That that sort of Supremacie which the Laws require , on the behalfe of our Kings , doe's no way violate , or invade the Priestly Function . 2. That that sort of Supremacie , which the Pope now clayms , was vtterly unknown to the Primitive Church ; and is neither consistent with , nor at all becoming the Priestly Function . 3. That this sort of Supremacie has stragled , in the world , to the cost of many Crowned-heads , and the destruction of numberless Christian People . 4. That this sort of Supremacie was ( first ) founded in bloud , and so fostered ever since ; having been formerly , and formally ( in direct , plain words ) declared against , both by a Council , and a Pope . 5. That the chief and most celebrated Authors , in the Romish Church have writ in defence of their exorbitant supremacie , after such a manner , as does rended it rational , yea necessary ( especially it being compared with their former known actings , and the posture of this day ) to keep on foot the old , and perhaps to make new Laws , in prejudice of Recusants . 1. That we may discover the truth , or falsehood of this Proposition , it will be requisit to know distinctly , What the challinges of the King are . What he absolutely and freely disowns . He expects then to be Custos uriusque Tabulae ; this was no more then all the Kings of Iuda exercised ; and those of them that were most zealously active in the purging the Temple , in the preserving , or restoring the true worship of God , ( as Iosiah ) we find most commended , most Celebrated in holy Writ : we find too , ( to Note that by the way ) they still called to the Law , the written Law , and to the Testimonies , making them their Rule . 2. Chorn. 17th . Iehosophat 29 Hezekiah 34. Iosiah , he expects further , that all the Members of the Church within his Dominions , should be subject to his Courts ; and Clergie-men , as well others , ( in case of notorious Crimes ) tryable there . He expects to nominate , appoint , and call to any spiritual preferments , what persons he please , without the interposition of any Forraign power , or Potentate : this is no more then every Patron of a Parish-Church looks at , as his own right . The whole of this is no more , then Elutherius , Bishop of Rome , declared to be in Lucius King of Brittain , when he sent to him to desire , not his leave , but advice , in the Resetling a Christian Church ; for the Gospel had been both Preached and owned here before ; and without any help from Rome ; tho , at that time sadly over-run again with Paganisme . But now negatively , Let us see what the King pretends not to ; Not the conferring of Orders ; not Administration of Sacraments ; not to Preach the Word ; not ( of himself ) to define Articles of Faith ; and herein , both the preamble of the Statute , and the Injunctions which were afterwards purposely framed , ( to satisfie such as seem'd to mistake the point ) are so plain , that it 's a wonder how a considering man , can have any religious fear or scruple about it . These together , are such an innocent kind of Supremacie , so just and so frequently exercised by Christian Emperors , and Kings of England , ( even all that had any thing of Judgement , spirit , or good fortune ) as certainly none that has lookt at all into Historie only , will deny his Prince . 2. Doubtless if our Blessed Lord had meant , That this prodigious sort of Supremacie ( joyned with a never failing Infallibilitie ) should ever have been the main Article of our Faith , he would not have answered his inquisitive Disciples so unsatisfactorily , as he he did ; Mark 9.34 , 35. ver . nor would he have left the world without a clear direction , in a matter of so vast concernment ( to all it 's future Generations ) Now that he did not so , is evident , since St. Paul when he sadly foretold the Church , How , after his departure , grievous Wolves should enter in ; and amongst them , many should arise speaking perverse things ; advises them not , to make their addresses to any one that should ( then ) happen to be Bishop of Rome ; but commends them to the word of Gods grace , to be built up thereby : as we read Acts. 20.29 , 30 , 31 , 32. A shrewd signe , that the Apostle did not understand Tu es Petrus in the Popish sence ; nor in that other place , which has a minatorie exhortation to Rome ( as well as to other Gentile Churches ) least she also might be cut off , Romans 11.18 , 19 , 20 , 21. ver . What think you , Would all the Eastern Bishops have stood out so vigorously , and so long ( in that controversie about the celebration of Easter ) if it had ever been received as a standing rule , That your Vniversal Monarch , in the West , was Gods Plenepotentiarie , in all Causes Ecclesiastical . Would the third Councill of Carthage ( wherein St. Augustine was present ) have past a Decree , That none should be stiled Head , or Prince of Priests ? Would the great Gregory ( even when he sat in the Pontifical Chaire ) have pronounced such a pretender the forerunner of Anti-Christ . Even St. Peter ( from whom you seek to derive it ) demonstrates , That he neither had , nor desired any such Lordship , or Superiority , 1 Peter 5.2 , 3. Would Heirome have said , Pari omnes , inter se Authoritate fuisse Apostolos ? Would Ambrose have slipt so , as to have writ , Non habent haereditatem Petri , qui fidem Petri non habent ? Would B●sil have assigned to Alexandria , and Antioch , a better title to the succession of Peter ? Would he , and so many other old Fathers , have blamed , chid , derided ; nay , even contemned the Bishop of Romes pride , if all the world had been obliged to be led by the Nose , what way he should please ? 3.4 . It is in vain then to seek after the sort of Supremacie , now contended for during the first six hundred years ; But I shall presently lead you it's rise : And that leaning upon the Authorities of such Authors , as you will not refuse to call your own ; Know then , That not halfe an Age after Gregory was gone off this stage : A certain Man that went by the name of Boniface had a mind to be Paramount in the Church , and there ( luckily ) fell out to be at the same time , a Person of great Power , who long'd to be Emperor ; these two , struck a bargain ; Mauritius ( the rightfull Master of them both ) together with his whole family , cruelly was murder'd : Ph●cas got the Scepter ; and Boniface was by him constituted Universall Bishop : From hence , all men must date the Original of this fatal Supremacie ; Fatal , I say , because it has been so fruitfull , and teeming in slaughters , Rebellions , ( you must bear with the term , since matter of Fact , in almost every Age bears testimonie thereof ) and Massacres . It was indeed a fine cast of this new Office , which Anno 747. was given to Chilpric ( the last of the First Royal house in France ) by the then Pope Zacharie ; poor Chilpric was an unactive , easie Creature , and therefore must be sent into a Monasterie ( where you may suppose , he lived not long after . ) But Pepin was a brave Young blade , and Zacharie stood need of such an one : he presently absolves him from his sworne Allegiance , and mounts him up to the Throne . But tush ! this was nothing to the Freaks ; the subsequent Holinesses play'd all the Empire , ( nay well-nigh ) all Europe over , by pulling , yea kicking off Crowns ( Anno 1080 , Gregorie the 7th . by arming Subjects ( yes sonns ) against their Princes ( Anno 1110. Paschal second . ) The two last Henry's of Paris felt the weight of the two Swords , which the Pope clayms as his own , though they fell but by two sorry knives in the hands of two wretches , but both Disciples of the Iesuits ; And all to make room for this Monstrous Supremacie ; at the cost , not only of Albigences , Waldenses , Hussites , ( and such as they will call Hereticks ) but even of their own Children , who mistook that Stepdame of Rome for their true Mother . T is true , St. Ambrose ( pretty , early when the Discipline of the Primitive Church was yet in it's right state and just vigor ) did stave off the hands of the Emperor , from touching the sacred Elements , when he found them polluted with it innocent blood . But , I beseech you consider ( for this very perticular may serve to rectifie your judgements . ) 1. What he was . 2. How far he proceeded . He was Bishop of Millaine , a Place alwayes reckoned in the Territories of Italy ; not Bishop of Rome : nor acting by any Authority derived from thence . He went no farther then the Episcopal Power would bear him out : He kept him from the Holy Communion ; but he did not Dethrone Him : He did not Absolve His Subjects from their Allegiance : He did not give away His Dominions , to any that could catch them . That these things were Acted in the face of the Sun , Plaetina , Baronius , Guiccardin de Serres , with I know not how many more , are uncontroulable Witnesses . Let honest Mathew Paris ( the Monk of Saint Albans ) tell you , How common it was for every Priest , Prelate , or Fryar , transalpinare , to hite away to Rome , and bring back with them an Interdict , ( or not unfrequentedly , an Excommunication ) against the King , and whole Kingdom of England . But let him tell you too , How often the Legate ( a later ) and other Domineering , Extorting Agents from that proud See , have been kept on the further side of the Dike , and not suffered transfretare , unless upon such Terms , as our Governours would admit of , and prescribe , notwithstanding all the power they pretended , or produced from his holiness . 5. As to this last Charge ( wherein much of the present occasion seems to lie ) Whether your Church in her Head , in her Members , in her Decretalls , in her Canon-Law , in some of her approved Councills , have not made such Declarations as must warn ( nay compel ) all Princes and States , to make defensive Laws against such Encroachments ? Doe but ( I beseech you ) peruse what the present Right Reverend Bishop of Lincoln has both candidly , and charitably , offered you : I shall content my self with instancing in a few ; Let the Language of Clement the eights Brevis ( when Queen Elizabeth had ( now ) one foot in the Grave ) be first heard ; He strictly ( therein ) Forbids all his Catholicks to suffer any to succeed ( how near soever in Bloud , or Right ) unless such as should preingage to become a Vassal to this Romish Church . And ( to see the luck of a thing ) these Breves were directed to the hand of one Henry Garnet ; who , not long after , was found to have , more then a finger , in the Powder-plot : With one Arm he would have kept King Iames from ; with the other , he would have blown Him out of His three Kingdoms . Next , be pleased to consult Bellermine ( who was made , in his time , and I think esteemed so ever since , but a little lower then the very Pope . ) Ask him , How we can be assured that his Catholicks will prove good Subjects ? His answer is legible ( Lib. 1. de Clericis ) They stand not bound to the Laws of any Prince coactively ; but directively onely ? Ask him further , What if they will not be directed , but tread those Laws under their feet ? Yet ( says he , with the same front , and truth ) they may by no means receive punishment , by any secular Magistrate , nor at all be brought before His Trybunal . But what if they should chance ( and what has been may be ) to be found ingaged in Treason ? The words of Zimanca ( in his Aphorismes , de Confessione ) are positive , A Clerks Rebellion is not Treason ; for he is not Subject to the King : This is pretty well for the Clergy , the Notion being extended ( as they intend it ) to all their several Orders of Monks and Fryars . But what say they to the Laity ? Take the summ of the whole matter from Creswell , who , in pure love ( no doubt ) to his Country-men , gives this Forraign Advice ; It is an undoubted point of Faith ( says he ) that any Christian Prince whatsoever , if he have manifestly swarved from the Catholick Faith , and would draw others to do so , falls immediately from His Power , and Dignity ; and that , even before the Pope have given Sentence , His Subjects may , and ought , if they have power , to remove Him : ( Andr ' . Philopat ' . page 109. Edit . 1592. ) It were no hard task , here to rake together , more then a good many of such Dictates as these , from men of this stamp , whose Works have been Licensed , Approved , Printed , reprinted , and generally sold through all Popish Countries without contradiction ; and in this case , it may well be said , Qui malum non prohibet , cum prohibere potest , perpetrat . 'T is true , Mariana's shameful Book , was once at a Crittical season ( for fear of a worse clap ) censured at Paris ; but it was never so at Rome : And I doe verily doubt the common Doctrine of the Iesuites ( with their Adhaerents ) will be found , that the strongest Knots , of Promises , Oaths , or Vows , made for fidelity to temporal Princes , may be cut asunder by their spiritual Alexander , who ( unjustly ) would usurpe both the Swords ; and ( perhaps ) is sorry he hath not more Worlds to conquer . Suffer me now , for a Conclusion , and to abate a little the surprise you may be in , at the severities , at present , exercised towards you , ( though the late Proclamations , as well as the Statutes , must needs quit us from any blame in that behalf ) to remind you of one or two things , in which I have proof , more then abundant ; and of which , some ( yet living ) can give testimony . 'T is confest , some of you gave signal , and very brave Assistances to Our late Soveraign Charles the First , in those unhappy Warrs , ( upon what Accompt , or Motive , let it be decided at the last day ; ) but , that the whole Body of Romanists , could have been content to have sat down under a very Bramble , in stead of the true Oake , was manifest from the Addresses pretended to come from them all ; wherein the Catholick Gentleman ( in a Book Publish't presently after Anno 1652. or thereabout , with a great many Arguments for his favour ) tells Oliver , They had generally taken , and punctually kept the Engagement : ( In that Page , towards the latter end ; which , in that I have , is mark't 41. but should be 127. ) Next , it would make one admire , how ( after the good services Mr. Huddleston , the honest Pendrills &c. had done His present Majesty ) the Irish , of the same Communion , and Creed , could be perswaded to lay aside , their own commendable purposes . The Natives of that Kingdom were ( most of them ) upon the accompt of the bloudy Insurrection , Anno 1641. under the Call , and subject to grievous paenalties at His Majesties Restauration : But He , according to His Princely clemency , required them , onely to let Him have new Tests of their future Loyalty , under the Obligation of those Oaths , you now stick at : He was pleased to allow them ( since they seem'd willing to the thing , but onely were dissatisfied in certain expressions , and those Formes were not Establish't in Ireland ) after Consultation with their own Priests , to offer Him , what might be Equivalent thereto : They did so , and after some time , shew'd it to the King : He was willing to accept it , according to that Draught : But one of the Popes best be-trusts , then at Bruxells , hastens ( in that nick of time ) to School them better ; and they neither durst ( it seems ) nor would proceed further in that business : And what use then ) can a through Paced Roman Catholick make of his own Conscience ? if , after such means , being arrived at settlement , he must yet throw away all , and implicitly give up his Faith , to the most imperiously Politick Dictates , of an old ( perhaps ) doting mortal-man . And , now Sirs , methinks I hear you say , what I have heard some of you say often ( and I verily think sincerely . ) 1. That you are wholly ignorant ( which is , in this case , the best sort of innocency ) of any Design against His Majesties Person , or Government . 2. That , if the Pope himself should Invade this Land , and Warr against the King , you would fight under the Royal Banner , and endeavour to cut His throat as soon as any mans . 3. That it 's a sad thing , if a few hare-brain'd fellows have imbarked in a desperate Action , the whole Communion ( though innocent ) should be involved in the suffering part . As to the two first , I can say little , but this : If I were a Papist ( and durst consider the true state of things , and the wilde Expectation of the Roman See in these matters ) I should not know , how to make my due Obedience to my Soveraign , and my necessary submission to the Pope's commands , lodge in one Breast ? And for the last , I doe concurr with you . 'T is , indeed , a very sad thing ; but ( Gentlemen ) if you will not do it your selves , Who can distinguish you ? What I have now said , I have said with clear intentions , with an ardent desire to serve you ; and after a long dilligent Search ( to which no man living could be more Engaged then my self . ) If any of you desire a farther Discussion of things here briefly touched ( either in order to clearer satisfaction , or with a Design of Opposition ) they shall at any Opportunitie command it , from Yours , C. W.