Exile exiled Occasioned by a mandat from Rome, procured by Tho. Flemming alias Barnwell, archb. of Dublin, and friar of the Order of S. Francis, from the Congregation of Cardinalls De propagandâ fide, for the banishment of Paul Harris out of the Diocesse of Dublin. By Paul Harris Priest. Harris, Paul, 1573-1635? 1635 Approx. 107 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 31 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2009-10 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A02680 STC 12811 ESTC S119022 99854229 99854229 19638 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. 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Occasioned by a Mandat from Rome , procured by Tho. Flemming alias Barnwell , Archb. of Dublin , and Friar of the Order of S. Francis , from the Congregation of Cardinalls De propagandâ fide , for the banishment of Paul Harris out of the Diocesse of Dublin . By PAUL HARRIS Priest . In umbra alarum tuarum sperabo , donec transeat iniquitas . Psal 56. Printed Anno Dom. 1635. To the Reader . S. Paul tells us of some kinde of men , that they profite , but still to the worse , 2. Tim. 3. It is not long since that there was a Booke set forth , admonishing the Friars to be sober , but they have burnt so many of those Bookes , and read so few of them , as from folly they have profited to extreame madnesse . It was little sobriety to excommunicate one man , for the fault , or no fault of another . But howsoever clave errante , vel non errante , the Censures are Episcopall . But for a Prelat to throw away his Keyes , & to take the Sword , & to hang it at a Friars belt , & with it to play the Fencer , yea the Offender . Spectatum admissi risum teneatis amici ? The Italian sayes , That before a man falls into any great calamity , God first gives him a rappe upon the pate , that is , hee deprives him of his judgment , well expressed by the Poet , De Ponto lib. 4. Crede mihi , miseros prudentia prima relinquit , Et sensus cunre , consiliumque fugit A wretched man , right , reason first forsakes , He reckes not of advice , nor counsell takes . The Friars began with Excom . they arrived at Exile . What 's the next ? Assises and Quarter-Sessions . The Prophet sayth , De radice colubri egredietur Regulus , Esay 14. from the root of an Adder shall issue out a Cockatrice . By which is signified ( as Lyra expounds it ) That from a small beginning , & contemptible , great and intollerable mischiefes doe arise . But the Adder of Exile being prudently oppressed , the hatch of the Cockatrice was prevented . Is it not to be lamented , that the Ecclesiasticall & Politique estate cannot consist together , but that the advancement of the one , must bee the abatement of the other ? In so much that some doubt not to say , that a Catholique can be no good Subject : Vtinam abscindantur qui conturbant nos : I would to God they were cut off who were the occasions of that scandall . For my part , I professe my name in the number of those who are both good Catholiques & good Subjects : And I trust in the mercies of God , so to be found living and dying . And whosoever reades this little Worke , I wish him of the same mind , and to be as I am , excepting those afflictions , persecutions , & continuall vexations , which I endure à falsis fratribus , and their abused followers , whom God amend , as also thy friend ( good Reader ) PAVL HARRIS Priest . A Letter from Card Antonio Barbarini , Praefect of the sacred Congregation of Cardinalls De propagandâ fide , unto Tho. Flemming Archb. of Dublin , and by him published not onely thorough this whole Diocesse of Dublin , but generally thoroughout all Ireland , in the moneths of August and September , of this present yeare 1635. To which Letter , for the better understanding thereof , is added a glosse by Paul Harris , very necessary to bee read of all such , to whom that Letter is communicated . The Letter of Card Antonio , unto the Archb. of Dublin , Tho. Flemming . MOst illustrious and reverent Lord , as brother . Heere it is written unto the Bishop of Meath , That hee command that same Paul Harris to depart forthwith from your Diocesse , otherwise to give order byauthority of the same holy Congregation , to the faithfull people , that none shall receive from him the holy Sacraments , nor heare his Masse . And that some scandall arise not by meanes of this order , Your Lordship may give unto the said Bishop ( when hee receiveth this inclosed ) such advertisements and informations as you shall thinke fitting for prevention thereof . To conclude , I commend my selfe unto your Lordship . Rome 13. Decemb. Your Honors most affectionat as brother Card. Antonio Barbarini . Francis Ingoli Secretary . The Gloss . MOst illustrious and Rev. Lo : as brother vid. Thomas Flemming alias Barnwell , to whom this Epistle was directed , as himselfe publisheth . Heere it is written to the Bishop of Meath subandi inclosed within this Letter . The name of the B. of Meath is , Tho. Dese Do. of Sorbon in Paris . That hee commaund that same Paul Harris viz. mentioned in the inclosed Letter unto the B. of Meath , not yet published . To depart forthwith your Diocesse To wit , the Diocesse of Dublin . CAP. I. NOW this same Paul Harris is doubtlesse the English Priest , who lives in Dublin , who wrote a Booke in answer to Tho. Flemming his Excom . as also a second called Arctomastix , against a libelling Friar , who shadoweth himselfe under the name of Vrsulanus ; and since that , a third Booke against the false doctrine of Habits and Scapulars , and Donna Luissa her Saturdayes Fast . So then it seemes this same Paul Harris the English Priest , is to be commanded by the Bishop of Meath Do. Dese , authorized by the Congregation of Cardinalls De propagandâ fide , to depart the Diocesse of Dublin . Certs if the Bishop of Meath his Warrant come in the Name of King CHARLES , it will doubtlesse bee obeyed ; but if it come in any other mans name , Paul Harris ( as farre as I understand his minde ) is resolved not to depart . Nay , if all the Friars , Priests , Bishops , Cardinalls , Popes , and a generall Councell , shall command him to depart , he will not remove a foot out of the Diocesse of Dublin . The reasons of this his resolution he hath abundantly yeelded , and published unto the world , in an Answer unto the Archbishops Excom . cap. 3. Yea , but it is said in the text of this Letter , That the Bishop of Meath is to command him Forthwith to depart . Alas good Friars , give him leave to pay his way , and bid his friends farewell . Forthwith is very sudden . Let him at least depart with bag & baggage , as Souldiours doe from the Fort they can no longer defend . Happily Paul Harris cannot say as old Bias did , Omniamea mecumporto . The Friars say , hee is rich : Will they not allow him time to transport his wealth to the place of his future residence , to make sale of his houses , and lands , and to recover the arreeres of his rents , to call in his debts , to make an end of his suites in law , &c. All which require time , and cannot be dispatched Forthwith . Patrick Cahil being banished the same Diocesse by the present Archb. was allowed 15. dayes of abode before he removed . O but he was a native , and Harris is an English churle , and must not be so kindly dealt withall . Forthwith : This is like the Summons of Gads hill , or Salesbury plaine , Stand & deliver . Well , perambulet mare & aridam , quaerens quid devoret . Let the Friar compasse sea and land , seeking what he may devoure , yet old Paul is resolved to live among his old neighbours of Dublin , notwithstanding the Friars should determine the contrary in a generall Chapter . By this then gentle Reader , you see ( at least if this Letter came from Rome , as our Archb. pretends , and would have it to be beleeved ) That the sword of exile is taken out of his fist , and put into the Lord Bish . of Meath his hands ; who for all the perswasions that our Bish . Flemming can use ( see the luck of it ) absolutely denyes to draw out the same ; In plaine termes that he never intends to pronounce any sentence of exile against Harris , and so hath declared himselfe to the face of our Archb , and his Friars , and to as many as deale with him about it . But how will the Bish . of Meath answer this neglect , or rather contempt of the Romane command ? O! let it alone : He knowes how to give satisfaction unto the holy Congregation of Cardinalls De propagandâ fide , or to any other mis-informed , and abused superiour . And now it pittyes me to see , ( and yet I cannot but laugh ) how our Archb. Plemming , and his Friars , torment themselves in this businesse . For now that they cannot induce the B. of Meath by no perswasion to this horride fact , viz. to sentence a Priest to exile , yet never called to his answer , and much lesse convicted of any fault , and consequently innocent , ( for so the Law presumes Reg. 8 ) They now cry out ; O frustra nostri suscepti labores ! O malè impensi sumptus ! O all our labour in vaine undertaken ! O costs cast away ! Albeit in truth , all their labours , costs and charges , were no more then the addressing of one Letter unto Friar Wadding , a man according unto their owne heart , resident continually in the Citty , and prest to negotiate all their causes , a man of that zeale & earnestnesse in procuration , as he would well weene to obtaine a sentence before a citation , a condemnation before a conviction . Cordiger esuriens in coelum jusseris ibit . I tell you perdy : A hungry Friar , hungry of maintenance , hungry of honour , hungry of vanity and vain-glory , & to conserve his declining reputation among his fellowes , what will he not doe ? Ad stygias si jusseris ibit . So then our Archb. and his Friars , seeing all their proceedings against Paul Harris , come to no better a passe in the Roman Court. The Archb. disarmed as a party , & therefore partiall . The Bishop of Meath onely authorized to pronounce sentence , and refusing that service . I say , all designments & machinations so untowardly succeeding on our Archb. side . At last , as desperat of all better successe , he betakes himselfe to this silly refuge , forsooth to publish a privat Letter received frō a Card. the Popes Nephew , which Letter is nothing else in the world , but the case or cover of the Letter sent unto the B. of Meath : As if one bereft of his sword , should lay about him with the scabberd . For it plainely appeares , that the B. of Meâth hath the sword , and our B. nothing left him but the scabberd , with which he maketh this goodly flourish , sending abroad the coppyes thereof like so many butter-flyes among his followers and devoto's , presuming ( as he well may ) of the many-headed multitude , in all communityes as most injudicious , so with all most factious , being as ready as the blind Senator in Iuvenal , Sat. 4. to applaud what they heare others to cōdemne : adding of his own invention , as likewise his Friars in their perambulations , that the sentence of Harris his exile , awarded by the Ordinary , is now ratified & confirmed by the Popes sentence , which is as farre from truth , as Rome is from Dublin Nothing sent frō his Hol. in these parts insinuating the same . And that now Harris ( sayth the Archb. ) may turne the edge of his stile from me , upon the Cardinalls , who have confirmed my sentence : And this he may doe with smal labour : for it is no more but to change the Title of his Booke frō me to them . So Tho. Flemming . Al which ( with due respect unto your place my Lord ) are manifest untruths , and so convicted to bee by the tenure of this very Epistle of the Card. published by your command into so many hands . For if that sentence be put into the power of the B. of Meath to be pronounced de futuro , without relation to your sentence at all . How then is your sentence confirmed of which no mention is made ? A sentence of which it seemed your selfe being ashamed , before a grave audience , did in expresse termes before many witnesses , disclay me and deny ever to have given . For you may remember my Lo. Archb. that being called before the Lo. Bishop of Derry , and Sir George Radcliffe Knight , there being then present Do. Peter Caddell , Do. Patrick Cahil , William Brown , Patrick Brangan , Edmund Doyle Priests , that you acknowledging and avowing your command of Peter Caddell out of your Diocesse , you constantly denyed the exile of Paul Harris , but onely that you willed and advised him to depart , by reason of which your deniall , hee was forced to produce his witnesse William Browne Priest , who before those two honorable persons , being charged by them upon his conscience , as an honest man to speake the truth , whether you onely desired or commanded him to quitt your Diocesse ; the said William Browne did testifie , that you absolutely commanded Paul Harris to depart , and to leave your Diocesse , and that himselfe was the man who was also commanded to deliver that message unto him in your name . All those before named can witnesse that businesse so to have passed . And therefore I say , had your exile of Paul Harris been most legall , ( which I will never grant ) by your voluntary deniall thereof it was revoked , and utterly quashed , no lesse then a sentence of Excommunication , Suspension , &c. by the like deny all remaines cancelled and revoked . How then now confirmed ? It followeth . Otherwise to give order by authority of the same holy congregatiō , to the faithfull people , that none shall receive from him the holy Sacraments , nor heare his Masse . The order which Tho. Flemming gave foure yeeres agoe , was ; That none under paine of Excom . should be present at his Masse . The nullity of which Excom . being declared by an Answer thereunto , it was the lesse observed , especially of such as were of Iudgment . What order the B. of Meath was to lay down , appeareth not , for that the Serpent was crushed in the Egg. This sacred Congregation of Card. De propagandâ fide , was instituted about the yeare 1612. by Paulus 5. of which Congregation at this time , Card. Antonio Barbarini , the youngest of the three nephewes of this present Pope Vrbanus 8. is head , or Praefect , a man about 30. wise , but not much learned . And it is strange that being wise , and an Italian ( a Natiō so respective ) writing to forraigne countreyes , he would not command his Secretary , to stile his Epistles in Latin , unlesse ( peradventure ) Latine is become a stranger among the Latine Secretaryes . Wee Tramontani ( as the Italians call us ) directing our Letters unto the Court of Rome , neither write them in English , or Irish , albeit we are not ignorant , that there wants not of these Countreyes in the Citty , who are able to translate them into Italian . This Congregation of Cardinalls ( I confesse ) have a glorious stile conferred upon them by his Hol. as to be Propagators , advancers & promoters of the Faith , but surely their endeavors will never answere unto those honorable titles , so long as ( giving eare to a company of turbulent & malecontent Friars ) they shall seeke to disturb the peace & tranquillity of those Kingdomes , over or in which they have no principality . I say , by exercising a secular power over those who are none of their subiects . For as his Majesty of Great Brittaine , never attempted to exile any of the Popes subjects out of Rome , or any other his Territoryes ; so neither ought they to banish any of his Majesties liege people , either out of this , or that City , Province , or Diocesse , but to know their owne bounds , and not to transgresse the same . And truly were I either wise or learned , I would endeavour to perswade those most eminent L. Cardinalls ( in acknowledgment of their error ) either to send an Embafsadour unto his Majesty , or at least to direct a deprecatory Epistle unto him , by which he might be induced to passe over that injurious entrenchment upon his Crowne & Dignity . And alas what lesse can they doe ? This truly would be a cōmendable act , beseeming their greatnesse , and answerable unto their high titles ; by this meanes , the Faith might either be propagated , or certs lesse scandalized . And it may be hoped , that in so generous a brest of our renowned Soveraigne , it would find both a gentle admittance and remittance . And as for the faithfull people here mentioned : Surely as many as be of understāding & capacity ( who I cōfesse , are not the greatest part of your flock ) doe well see & discerne , that all these machinations of the Friars against Harris , proceed meerely from malice , who for his desire & zeale of their reformation , as well in their corrupt manners in life , as abhominable errors in doctrine , doe labour by all meanes to ruinate & undoe him . But P.H. is confident , that Qui habitat in adjutorio altissimi , in protectione Dei coeli commor abitur : Hee that dwells in the helpe of the highest , shall remaine in the protection of the God of Heaven . Neither is he better then his predecessors , so many worthy Prelats and Priests , who for seeking to reforme abuses among Monkes & Friars , have suffered at their hands extreame persecutiō , not alwayes ad exiliū , but sometimes ad sanguinē . Examples whereof both ancient and moderne , our Ecclesiasticall Historyes doe recount . And it is no smal comfort unto P.H. and an affront to his adversaryes , that his bookes being by the Friars presented unto the Roman Censors , and by them read & perused , tryed , sifted & bolted , yet came off as Gold from the fire , without the least note , obeliske , or asteris ke of reproofe , which is also no small honour unto our holy Faith , because hereby those who are otherwise perswaded in matters of doctrine , may plainely see that the Catholique Church maintaines none of those fooleryes , which the Friars profructu ventris doe daylie vent , and were largely confuted in his aforesaid Booke . It followeth in the Epistle . And that some scandall arise not by meanes of this order , your Lordship may give unto the said Bishop , when he receiveth this enclosed , such advertisements & informations , as you shall thinke fitting for prevention thereof . ] But no advertisements , or informations , that Dublinensis could give , seemed sufficiēt to Medensis to the prevention of scandall , maturely considering , that it was a thing impossible , without notorious scandall , indictâ causâ to banish a Priest out of the Diocesse wherein hee hath his habitation , his friends , acquaintance , and benefactors , and that in a continued residence of more then 20. yeeres , and to be sent into Pontus , I mean , to uncouth & unknowne places , where being separated from his friends & wel-willers , he may with lesse difficulty have his throat cut by a malicious Friar , or some suborned Wood-kerne . O! but Harris might passe into his native Countrey of England . True indeed , and so he may ( but not for sic volo , sic jubeo of a Prelate ) though as yet he is not so minded : these 20. yeeres of a continued absence , having made him well-neere as much a stranger in his owne Countrey , as in the County of Tirconnell , where as yet he never set foot . Such are the fruites of time , whose nature is as the Poet Menander saith , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , to procure oblivion . No no , with the good leave of the State , P. H. now of the age of 63. hath set up his rest , and is resolved to say of Ireland , and in particular of this Diocesse of Dublin , Hic habitabo , quoniam elegi eam : Heere will I dwell , for that I have made choyse thereof , till such time as his better part bee translated into a better habitation . Againe , the Lo. Bishop of Meath no doubt doth well consider , that a banishment inflicted without an examination of the cause , without the bill of the Plaintiff , and answer of the Defendant , can not but be most injurious , & illegall , and so by the same non-sense of a nolo , that a party is removed from this Diocesse of Dublin , he may also be excluded from any other Diocesse , and so consequently out of all Christendome , for that there is no place in any Countrey of the Christian world , but is contained in some Diocesse , and so perforce must bee cōpelled to live either vpon the Seas , or among Turkes and Infidells . Lastly , the Lo. B of Meath had good cause to refuse to be imployed in such a piece of service , viz. to pronounce sentence of exile against any of the Kings Subjects , for hee being a Do. of that famous Vniversity of Sorbon , & as by profession a Divine , so also seene in the Canons & Lawes of holy Church , doth well understand , that Exile is a punishment beyond the spheare of Episcopall jurisdiction , proper to the Crowne , and not to the Miter , and accordingly to be managed by the Secular , and not by the Spiritual arme . So S. Bernard in his 5. booke De consideratione , unto Pope Eugenius , tells us ; That as the Keyes belong unto the Prelats , so the Sword unto the Civill Magistrate . Forsitan tuo nutu , non tua manu evaginandus : Peradventure by your will ( sayth he ) not by your hand to be unsheathed . Which doctrine is layde downe , and canonized in the Decretals of Gregory lib. 5. de Cler. excom . tit . 27. cap. 2. Si quis presbyter , aut alius clericus fuerit degradatus , aut ab officio pro certis criminibus suspensus , & ipse per contemptum & superbiam aliquid de ministerio sibi interdicto agere praesumpserit , & postea ab Episcopo suo correptus in incepta praesumptione perduraverit modis omnibus excommunicetur , & quicunque-cum co communicaverit , similiter se sciat esse excommunicatum . Similiter de Clericis , Laicis , vel foeminis excommunicatis observandumest . Quod si aliquis omnia ista contempserit , & Episcopus minimè emendare potuerit regis judicio ad requisitionem Ecclesiae exilio damnetur : If a Priest or a Clergy-man shal be degraded , or for certaine crimes suspended from his office , and thorough contempt & pride , shall presume to doe any thing in his ministery forbidden unto him , and after being by his Bishop reproved , shall notwithstanding persevere in his former presumption , by all meanes let him be excommunicated , and he who shall communicate with him , let him know that he is excommunicated . And this to be observed with Clerkes , Laicks , & and women excommunicated . But if any shall contemne all these things , and that the Bishop can put no remedy unto it , then by the judgment of the King , at the request of the Church , let him be banished . In which Canon is plainly distinguished the office of the Bishop , & of the King. The spirituall censures of Excom . Suspension &c. to be inflicted by the Bishop , & not by the King. The temporall punishment of exile &c. to be commanded by the King , and not by the Bishop . Againe , in this Canon may be observed the order & method of a legall processe ; as first , conviction of crimes , or contumacy , including in his nature & essence , a citation of the party accused ; next , infliction of spirituall censures by sentence of the Bishop , as Excom . Suspension &c , which being cōtemned , & the delinquent incorrigible . What then is to bee done ? Mary the Bishops power being exhausted , in the last place comes in the sword , to wit , corporall punishment of Exile , to bee adjudged by the King , at the instance of the Church . By which it is manifest , that Exile is a punishment transcending all spirituall power & Episcopall jurisdiction . For else should the Law have said : Then by the judgment of the Bishop , let him be banished ; but here it is said in terminis , in expresse termes , by the judgment of the King let him be banished . Like unto this is that other Canon de judiciis , lib. 2. t is . 1. cap. 10. In these words . Si Clericus in quocunque ordine constitutus , in furto , vel homicidio , vel perjurio , seu alio crimine fuerit deprehensus legitimè , atque convictus , ab Ecclesiastice judice deponendus est . Qui si depositus incorrigibilis fucrit , excommunicari debet , deinde cotumaciâ crescente anathematis mucrone feriri , post modum vero , si in profundum malorum veniens contempserit , cùm Ecclesia non habet ultra quod faciat , ●e possit esse ultra perditio plurimorum , per secularem comprimendus est potestatem . Ita quod ei deputetur exilium , vel alia legitima poena inferatur . That is , If a Clergy man in what order soever , shal be found in theft , or man-slaughter , or perjury , or other crime , and being lawfully convicted by the Ecclesiasticall Iudge , he is to be deposed ; who , if after deposition he shal be incorrigible , he ought to be excommunicated , afterward his contumacy encreasing , to be stroken with the sword of Anathema : but if arriving at the depth of all evills , he shall remaine in contumacy , whenas the Church hath not further what to doe ( that there be not besides the destruction of very many ) he is to be repressed by the Secular power . So as Exile may be deputed unto him , or some other lawfull punishment inflicted . So the Canon . In which we see , as in the former , that the power of the Church & of the Prelat , proceedes no further , even with the greatest delinquents , but to excommunication & to Anathema , at which once arriving , they make a period , confessing ( as we see in this Canon ) that the Church can passe no further , but leaves Exile , & all other corporall punishments , to the Secular power to be awarded & inflicted . What then may we thinke of that Prelat , who not content with his spirituall sword of Ecclesiasticall censures , will with his owne hand unsheath the temporall sword of the Civill Magistrate ? which S. Bernard conformable unto the doctrin of the Church , lay de downe in these two Canons above cited , flatly denyeth not onely to Bishops , but to the Pope himself , Non tuâ manuevaginundus : Not by thy hand ( O Pope Eugenius ) to be unsheathed . Yet hath our Archb. contrary unto the Lawes of holy Church , & the practise of all times , unsheathed the sword of his Soveraigne and Liege Lord , once by his owne confession , & twice more by conviction of witnesses , before honorable Personages , by exiling out of his Diocesse , three Priests , albeit ( I confesse ) with very bad successe , their disobedience to unlawfull commands , being so justifiable as we have seene . I doe not marvaile then , though the B. of Meath like a good subject , did refuse to meddle in a busines of that nature , not having the consent and approbation of the State. All temporall jurisdiction in inflicting corporall punishments , from the least to the greatest , being essentiall unto his Majesties Crowne & Dignity . And I can not but wonder , that the Archb. Flemming & his Friars , should perswade themselves , that albeit a Prince be of another opinion in some points of doctrine , from the Roman , which wee call the Catholique & Apostolicall Church , that therefore he is a lesse absolute and Soveraigne Commander within his Realmes & Dominions , over which Almighty GOD hath placed him , then any other the most Catholique Prince in the World : which is a doctrine so undoubted , as it is defined by the Church , as a matter of divine faith , which whose denyeth , * is to be ranked among heretiques . How then say I , comes it to passe ? that , what no Prelate under any Prince in Christendome at this day would doe or with the integrity of his faith to GOD , or allegiance to his Prince could doe . What no Prelates for these thousand yeeres & upward , under any King of England ( since our first conversion from Paganisme , unto Christianity , under Pope Gregory the great ) did , or durst doe . That this present ●rchb . Tho. Flemming , now in these dayes , dare so boldly attempt , namely ; to exile & eject the Kings Subjects , without invocating the Secular arme . CAP. II. An objection against some points of the former discourse answered . IT will happily be alledged in defenee of the Bishop by his Friars : That the times are such , as they doe not permit that correspondencie twixt the Prelats , and the Civill Magistrate in these Kingdomes , as in dayes of yore , and that therefore they can not expect that the Secular arme will condescend to execute any such their designes or desires . To which I answere . And is it then good Logicke , that the Bishops may usurpe their power , and entrench upon the right of the Secular arme ? That because the King will not strike , that therefore the Bishop may take the sword out of his hand , and lay about him ? Let me illustrate this by a familiar similitude : There is a Friar in Paris , & he wisheth with all his heart , that the Archb. of that place would excommunicate one Titius an Adversary of his , who lives in his Diocesse , and is one of his flock , but he dares not impart his mind unto him , for that he is perswaded he will never condescend thereunto , & in moving him in that affayre , he shall but loose his labour , and peradventure be repulsed with blame . Well , what then ? what doth the Friar ? Mary he sayes , Courage m●●n Frers , and without any further delay , hee excommunicates the party himselfe . I demaund in this case , Quid juris ? It● answered , that the Friar is mercifully dealt withall , 〈◊〉 he bee but set upon the Pillary , or upon an Asse , and whipt naked from the waste upward thorough the streetes of Paris . And why ? because he presumes to execute that power which he never had . True it is , That conformable unto the Canons above alledged , as also the immemorable customes & constitutions of these Kingdomes , in case of enormous crimes , as Theft , Murder , Perjury , Simony , Heresie , &c. as also disobedience , proceeding to incorrigibility &c. and that not onely in Clearkes , but in Laicks , unto their Ecclesiasticall superiours , as Bishops , & other Prelates , after spirituall remedies used , as admonitions , censures , depositions , degradations &c. at the instance of the Church upon a siguificavis , there commonly issued out a Writ from the Kings high Court of Chancery , Decapiendo excommunicate . De comburen do baretico &c. according to the quality of the delict . If then our Archbish . hath proceeded in this legall manner with his subject , & is arrived at the uttermost extent of Episcopall jurisdiction . He may then require the assistance of the Secular arme , by intimating his Processe into the Kings Court of Iustice , which if they answere his desires , so it is ; if not , he must rest contented , and not thinke to erect a new Tribunall , and a new course of proceeding , contrary to what before , by authority of Church & Common-wealth is established , and by custome of so many ages , confirmed . To make him selfe both Prince , & Prelate ; both Bishop , and Civill Magistrate , to plucke the Roses from the Kings Crowne , and to place them in his owne Miter . For by so doing , he may draw the sword of the Secular arme upon his owne neck , and in prosecuting others , make himselfe an offendor in the highest degree . How often doe we finde in former ages ? when both Prince and Prelate were of one lip and heart in divine worship , and acknowledged obedience unto the Pope in matters spirituall . Yet even in those times , did not those Catholique Princes alwayes answere the instance and requisition of their Bishops , in lending them the assistance of their sword and secular arme , but sometimes were slow and remisse in that kinde of correspondency , yea sometimes did absolutely deny the same . As who so will peruse the Ecclesiasticall History of the Church , collected by that learned Card. Caesar Baronius in his Annalls ; Or our Countrey-man Nicholas Harpsfeild in his Ecclesiasticall History of England , shall easily finde . And so often as this hapned , what did those Prelats ? forsooth contained themselves within the bounds of their spirituall and Episcopall juvisdiction , never attempting to hang , burne , or banish , as our hor-spurre Frians have perswaded our Archb. to the great scandall of Gods Church , and his owne utter ruine , if the King bee not the more mercifull unto him . Which matters well pondered by the B. of Meath , it is no wonder that hee told our Arch that they were none of his friends that procured him that Commission from Rome , to pronoūce sentence of exile against any of the Kings Liege people ; by which act , himselfe might come to bee in the same predicament with Tho. Flemming Archb. not onely a bad member of Gods Church , but a disloyall subject unto his Majesty , verifying that of the Prophet , Psal . 49. Cùm videbas furem , currebas cum to &c. CAP. III. The informations , by which the Archb. & his Friars procured from the Congregation of Cardinalls De propagandâ fide , the Commission of Paul Harris his exile from the Diocesse of Dublin . POpes , and Princes , Cardinalls , & Bishops are men , and no Angells , & according as they are informed , so they speake , so they write , so they determine causes ; so they absolve , and so they doe condemne . I remember I have read in Philip Commines his history of the warres twixt the French King Lewis II. & Charles Duke of Burgundy , that in some services wherein the French had the worse , & routed ( more upon a Pannick feare , then any just cause of terror ) some Commanders being after by the King called to an accompt for their cowardise : The Author observes , & so reports it : That certaine Captaines , and great Monsieurs , that ran from the field but six leagues off , were severely punished for their offences ; and others who fled from the field , and ran ten leagues beyond them , were highly rewarded for their valour & good service . Noting ( as I said before ) that Princes by reason of an impossibility of proper knowledge in themselves as touching the estate of absent affayres , are forced ( resting upon informations ) to judge accordingly , walking sometimes upon the right hand , and other whiles upon the left . And so it hapned in the cafe of P. H. who by Friar Wadding , the Archb. his Agent in the Citty , and others of his fraternity , as well shodd , as bare-footed Friars , his mortall & sworne enemies , is accused to be a most turbulent ; & a seditious person , disobedient to all lawfull authority , and as one confirmed in contumacy , remaines incorrigible , and so incurable , without hope of amendment &c. And thus have the Friars chanted their Mattins at Rome . P. Harris the defendant of his innocencie , in the mean time lyes at anchor in the Port of Dublin , little knowing how the windes blow abroad , till upon these suggestions , there comes from the Citty , not a Commission to any particular Bishops , or other Prelats , to examine his cause , or to heare what the Archb. can alledge against him , or he make answer thereunto , but the perclose of all judiciall proceedings , namely Sentence , and that is thought fit to bee of Exile out of the Diocesse wherein he lives , and that sentence commanded unto the B. of Meath to pronounce . But now heare ( good Reader ) what Paul Harris saith unto this information . Albeit nothing more , or other can hee say , then what he hath delivered in his former Bookes . Even the same which all the Cleargy of Dublin doe know at this day to be true . That which so many of the Laity as take notice of our troubles , doe know to be true . That which the Friars themselves , the onely causers & procurers of all these intestine broyles twixt the Cleargy and the Regulars , best of all know to bee true : Namely , that this information made by the Archb. and his Friars , unto the Cardinalls at Rome , is most false , most unconscionable & wicked , that it is a meere Chimera , & an En●rationis , without any existent foundation . And to the end that the world may againe & againe understand in all places , that which in these parts is most palpable . I could wish , not the shell of a Triton , but the trumpet of an Arch-angell to sound it thorough sea & land , that all the inhabitants of the Earth , and not onely of Rome , may heare it , and take knowledge of the injustice and falshood of those , who by their places & office in Gods Church , should be lights & lanthornes unto others , to direct their paces into the wayes of justice , peace , and truth . For it is so farre from any shadow of verity ; That Paul Harris hath beene disobedient unto his Superiour the Archb. or that ever he denyed upon any summons , citation or message , to appeare before him , or to answer any accusatiō , or matter , litle or great , layde unto his charge , that in all his life he never received any message or citation at all from his Ordinary which hee hath not obeyed . And this to bee true , the Archb. in his owne conscience knowes , and none better then himselfe understands the innocencie of P. H. in that behalfe . But in case it bee otherwise , since it is a matter of fact , why hath not the Archb. ( in all this time since Harris wrote his two Bookes , ) for his owne credit & reputation , and to the greater affront of P. H. declared here at home unto some sufficient & understanding men either of the Cleargy , or Laity , the falsity of this his so bold assertion , naming the partyes by whom he sent his citations , or his messages , to what place he called him unto his answer ? The time when , the day , the moneth , or the yeare , that so P. H. being challenged of so notorious an untruth in his writings , might be disrespected accordingly ? Doubtlesse such an advantage would not have been let passe , had P. H. been guilty of any such disobedience unto his Ordinary : Since it is well understood , that the Archb. is not so tender of that mans credit & reputation . And such have beene the accusations and informations of the Ordinary and his Friars , against P. H. at Rome , himselfe never being called to his answer either here or there . CAP. IV. Paul Harris not admitted to any hearing of his Diocesan , was forced to seeke for Iustice at the hands of the Civill Magistrate . IT is the office of a Prelat , not onely to feed , but to governe his flocke . As the sheepheard doth not only lead his sheep to holesome pastures , but protects them from the jawes of all ravenous beasts , & such of their fellowes as would be hurtfull unto them . This our Savior teacheth , setting down the parts of a good Sheepheard , Ioh. 10. from whose office , among all other professions in the world , it pleased him to transferre that name unto the Governours of his Church , tearming both himselfe , and them , Sheepheards , or Pastors , saying ; Ego sum pastor bonus &c. Now Tho. Flemming a Pastor , having P. H. a member of his flocke , whose cure & charge belonged unto him , and being wronged by some of them , who were also under his charge , and complaining of his aggrievances unto his Pastor , could not bee admitted unto his presence , sending them by the hands of others , he spedd no better . And this P. H. doth averre to be true , not by his owne testimony , ( which in his owne cause is worth nothing ) but by the attestation of most grave & Rev. persons yet living , who have firmed the same with their owne hands , and are ready to justifie it before any Tribunall . Reade then as followeth . VVEe whose names are here subscribed , doe witnesse ; That in our presence Tho. Flemming Archb. of Dublin , did renounce all correspondency , either by word , or writing , with Paul Harris Priest , telling us plainly , that thence forward he never would receive either Letter or Petition from him , or would medle in any matter of his , for him , or against him ; but wholly disclaimed all jurisdiction , or power over him , wishing us to signifie so much unto the aforesaid Paul Harris , which accordingly wee did , May 24. 1631. Peter Caddell Pr. VVilliam Shergold Pr. Thus P. H. being excluded from all audience & correspondencie with his Pastor , he addressed himselfe unto the Temporall Magistrate , yet neither in Ecclesiasticall or Criminall cause , but meerely Civill , such as was the detayning of some Bookes from him by a Priest , & a Friar , and the same most injustly , as it appeared upon the hearing before the now Lo. Chiefe Iustice of the Kings Bench , for by his order they were restored him . After this againe , P. H. understanding of some slanderous informations , made by Friars , and others against him , unto the Ordinary and weening that after so long a space hee had beene come unto a better mind , hee sollicited him againe for an audience , but being repulsed as before , he sent him this message ; as followeth . THis 15. day of May 1633 , Wee whose names are here subscribed , doe witnesse ; That being requested to deliver a message unto the R. R. Tho. Flemming Archb. of Dublin , wee accordingly the yeare and day above written , delivered the same : The which was this . That whereas divers slanders & accusations are intimated unto your Ho. against the aforesaid Paul Harris Pr. and presented unto you his Pastor , as also published abroad by divers Friars , and others , to the prejudice of the good name & fame of the aforesaid Marris : his request unto you the Lo. Archb. by us , is ; that you would be pleased according unto the Lawes and Canons of holy Church to judge him , first admitting him unto audience , and to his just defence . The Lo. Archb. answer unto us , was : That in case Paul Harris would admit and receive an absolution for the Excom . that he had notoriously incurred , hee would ; otherwise not . Iames Talbot Pr. VVilliam Shergold Pr. Thus Reader thou seest , That two yeeres after the former denyall P. H. is againe debarred of audience by the Archb. or else to be admitted upon such tearmes , as to acknowledge an Excom . Of which Excom . for that himselfe hath written very largely in two former Bookes , he will be here more briefe . The Excom . pretended against him , is ; That he commenced a suit ) as hath beene formerly said ) before a Temporall Magistrate against a Priest & a Friar , for detaining of certain Bookes from him . For our Archb. & his Friars are of opinion , that no Ecclesiasticall persons , ought to bee brought before a Temporall Magistrate , for what cause soever ; and that the party so conventing them , incurres Excom . De Iure . To which P. H. answers ; That no such Canon was ever received , or practised in these Kingdomes , as hee hath largely declared in his former Bookes , and that he preferres the judgement of all antiquity under his Majesty , and his Predecessours , before the opinion of Tho. Flemming and all his followers . Since those who are learned in the Lawes , as well Canon , & Civill , as Common , doe with one voyce agree , and have assured him : That in all causes & actions , meerely Civill , of which nature this was , against the Priest & the Carmelite Friar , that as well Bishops , as Priests , Abbots , and Priors , did sue , and were sued in the Kings Courts , & none other . If then all Bishops and Priests , Abbots and Friars , who have consented and allowed of this practise , for these thousand yeeres & upward , did maintaine an error , I thinke P. H. had better venture upon that error , then upon the skill of a Prelat who never yet studied out of his owne Friary , or tooke degree in any Vniversity . But this Physician who is so liberall of his plasters , offering his absolutions , before the Penitents aske them : Sith he can not cure himselfe , let him seeke a remedy in time for his owne sores , not being ignorant that himselfe is notoriously excommunicated ab homine , and by authority of this present Pope Vrbanus 8. in the controversie twixt Patrick Cahil , & Patrick Brangan , frō which ( to the great scandall of Gods Church ) we never heard that yet hee received an absolution . And I pray God , that not guilty of schisme , and heresie , he stands not also excommunicate De Iure . But now ex abundanti : Let it be supposed , ( for granted it will never be ) that to draw Ecclesiasticall persons before Secular Tribunalls , in all causes as well Civill as Ecclesiasticall & Criminall , is unlawfull , and that the Canons inhibite the same under Excom . Suppose also , that this Law be received , and in all times hath beene in viridi observantiâ , practised in these Kingdomes . I say all this being granted as most true & undoubted , P. H. is as cleare from all spot of Excom . as the sun-beames , or the water in the fountaine . As how ? Forsooth upon this ground ; That before he convented those Ecclesiasticall men , to wit , the Priest & the Friar above mentioned , hee was denyed all audience and correspondencie with his Prelate the Archb. either by word or writing , as before hath beene declared & testified . In which case it is lawfull , not onely for a Priest , but for a Layman to seeke for Iustice at the hands of the Temporall Magistrate , against a Cleargy-man , and to convent him before a Secular Tribunall : I say , in case his Prelate refuse to heare him , or to admit his complaint , or to doe him justice , Reade for this De Iudiciis tit . 1. cap. 7. Qualiter & Quando , together with the Gloss , & you will find these words : Quod in defectum justitiae , Clerici ad judicium seculare trahi possunt : * That for want of Iustice , Clergy-men may be drawne to Secular Tribunalls . Casus ; Titius a Priest is indebted one hundred Crownes to Sempronius Priest , or Lay-man , the debt cannot be denyed , the day of payment is expired : but Titius will not performe . Sempronius is of our Friars opinion , that it ought to bee tryed & recovered before the Ordinary ; but the Ordinary will not heare him , or receive his libell . Where shall Sempronius sue his Bond against Titius ? At Rome ? But that hath not beene seene or heard of , since the Capitoll was built . Ergo , he must either loose his debt , or take the benefit of the Canon . In defectum justitiae , Clerici ad seculare judicium trahi possunt , as before . And S. Athanasius : doubted not long before the Canon was thought of , to convert the Arian Heretiques his false accusers of foule crimes before Constantius the Emperour . Athan. in Apolog. ad Constant. And before him S. Paul , Act. 25. appealed in the Controversies he had with his owne Nation the Iewes , unto Caesar . Appello Casarem . But if you answer , that in the aforesaid cases , there was no spirituall superiour Prelat or Bishop to heare , or to determine their causes . I then reply : And what distinction make you twixt a Prelat that will not heare a Priests cause , and no Prelat at all Verily none . And this was , & still is the case of P. H. who before his Ordinary never yet could be admitted either plaintiffe or defendant . Wherfore I conclude , that in conventing his Adversaryes , though Priests , before the Temporall Magistrate in Civill causes , hee did not incurre any censure of Excom . being warranted by the Canon above alleadged ; In defectum justitiae , Clerici ad seculare tribunal trahi possunt : For want of Iustice , Cleargy-men may be convented before the Secular Iudgment . Vnlesse wee will maintaine the Archb. Tho. Flemming to be above the Canon , which is not onely absurd , but hereticall . And let my Reader ( whether Friend or Adversary ) observe , that neither Brangan , or Doyle , can be excused from Excom . De Iure , in the conventing of P. H. before the Temporall Magistrate , he never having to this day declined the jurisdiction , or forum of the Ordinary . So as the Canon De Iudiciis , Qualiter & Quando , which hath excused P. H. for drawing them before Secular Iudgments , namely In defectum justitiae , can no sort militat in their behalfe , who have suffered no defect of Iustice from their Ordinary . In fine then , they remaine absolutely excommunicated , together with their Master , and may say ; Iam sumus ergo pares . CAP. V. Of the want of judgment and discretion in the Bishop and Friars , the persecutors of Paul Harris . IS it possible , that man a reasonable creature , & made unto the Image of GOD , should have his reason so over-ruled with passion , and his judgment so over-mastered with malice , as they should be powerfull , not onely to obscure , but in a sort to extinguish the light thereof ? For not to speake of conscience , & common honesty , which as in every Christian ought chiefly to prevaile , so , especially in Church-men , who are to be guides , & leaders of others unto their salvation . How is it possible , that wit , capacity , or common sense , should not avert these men from such violent and out-ragious courses against P. Harris ? Is it because that glorious Greatnesse who sits at the Helme of Government is pleased most graciously to grant unto us some more favourable respect then in times past using us ( not with standing what difference soever with others in points of doctrine ) with all indiffērecie in the Politique government : As if he should say , Tros Tyriusque mini nullo dìserimine habetur . Papists and Protestants are one to mee , Who in subjects ducties so well agree . Such is the influence of that blessed aspect in our dread and no lesse beloved Soveraigne , with that gracious & propitious Starre , to their perpetuall glory , and our unspeakable comfort . O then ! what pitty is it ? That golden Peace , and gowned Rest , should be the parents of so foule an off-spring , as is discord and dissention . Is it ? That we have already surfetted of Ease , and in so short a time become weary of so long-expected a well-fare , that now ( the rod and rigour of State being removed ) we should embolden our selves upon domesticall broyles . Is it ? For that a way is given , nor onely to the freedome of our Consciences , but even to the moderate & discreet exercise of our spirituall Functions , as well Episcopall , as Priestly , that we should contend also for Secular power and preheminencie , to the encroaching upon our Caesars jurisdiction ? Is this the gratitude , and thankfulnesse wee owe and shew , for these our , Halcyon dayes in which no storme is either for the present felt or for the furure feared : If our owne ungraciousinesse , and intemperate ambition doe not abbreviat and shorten the same . Verily , if our Friars had but read their Esops fables , they might have better understood themselves . The sluggard is sent , to schoole unto the pismire with a vade ad formicam tiger , pro. 4. Goe to the pismire O sluggard , and may not the Friar be sent unto his fables of Esop , with a vade ad Esopum stulte ? Get thee to thy Esops fables , O foole ; and from the example of the Frog and the Mouse , learne wisdome : For there thou mayst observe , how the Frog assaulting the Mouse , & the Mouse defending himselfe : In the heat of that fierce combat , when neither of them had leysure to look about them , downe comes the Hawke suddenly from the stand , and at one stoop , seasing upon them both , ended their quarrell . Alas ! have these men so soone forgotten S. Stevens day ? when for the non-observance of some points of a Proclamation , all our Houses and Oratoryes were in one houre seased unto the Kings use . May not our Franciscans remember , that the first blast and brunt of that tempest , discharged it selfe upon their owne Cells & Oratoryes ? For as we reade , that some Cityes have beene rased , and sowed with salt ; others , their walls dismantled : So was that their Convent in Cooke-street defaced , having their roofe & timber-work pull'd downe & levelled with the ground . A sad spectacle and exemplar ; for whose offence , and the rude uproare of that day , others ( no doubt ) were the lesse spared . Alas ! hath malice against one man so blinded their judgments , and so perverted their wills ? that sooner then they will cease to wage an unplacable warre with one Priest , they will not onely hazard their own peace & quiet , but even of the Church in these parts . Know they not how soone , and how suddenly the Royall Falcon , ( if he will daigne to so low a stoop ) can end the battle betwixt the Frog & the Mouse , to the ruine of both ? Doe they not yet understand , that two scratches of a goose's quill , can banish both Bishop , Priest , and Friar , & that not only from their severall Dioceses , Parishes , & Convents , but even out of his Majesties Dominions ? At what time as well friend as foe , beholding ( for our demerits ) such calamities to befall us , shall point us out with the singer of Gens absque consilio , & absque prudentiâ &c. Loe , a people without wit & understanding . Had P. H. apostated from his faith , or had he turned a Iew , or a Turke , then had his persecution frō these men wholly calmed . Nay , many doubt not to say , that our Regulars would have much rejoyced , and gloryed therein . But now that ( through Gods mercy ) he preserves himselfe , and endeavours to keepe those also in the Catholique faith , who begin to swarve there-from ; therefore is he made ( if not the onely butt , yet ) the principall marke against whom they shoote their poysoned darts . But P. H. may comfort himselfe in this : That Regium est benè facere , & malè audire ; It is one of to doe well , and to be evill spoken of . And it is one of the eight Beatitudes pronounced by our Saviours own mouth , Math. 5. Beatì estis cùm maledixerint vobis , & persecuti vos fuerint &c. CAP. VI. P. H. is in hope , that the Archb. and his Friars , looking back into themselves , will in time be reclaymed , and become his friends . WE have in our English Proverbe ; that , They goe very farre who never returne . And Seneca out of the Poet Menander tels us ; That friendships should indeed be eternall ; but enmityes mortall and determinable . Immortales inimicitias ne retine , mortalis existens . but nothing ought to bee more effectuall with Christians to this purpose , then the doctrine of our Saviour , which teacheth , that the marke by which his Disciples are knowne & distinguished from others , is Charity among themselves , Iohn 13. By this shall all men know that you are my Discipl●● , if you love one another . And the beloved Disciple , speaking of the contrary vice , 1. Iohn . 3. Omnis qui odit fratrem suum , homicida est , &c. Whosoever hateth his brother , is a murderer . And why should I not hope , that these men may not onely come unto their wits againe , but also to their wills , rectified and reformed , and as new-borne Babes , abandoning all malice , deceit , simulation , envy , and detraction , grow up unto salvation ? I say , why should I not hope these things of them ? For I understand , that some of them already doe day lie pray for me . And I doubt not but their prayers are , That God will give mee patience to endure all injuryes wrongs , and persecutions at their hands ; and above all , to deliver mee from their bad tongues : And I thanke God , in this Christian duetie , I am not behind , for I also pray for them , Inter schismaticos & hareticos , till such time as God shall be pleased to give them grace to recall their doctrines of Habits and Scapulars , and cease to commend unto us the Luissian Fast . But howsoever they should ( as God forbid ) persevere still mine enemies and persecutors , yet am I also bound by the precept of Christ , both to love mine enemies , and to pray for my persecutors . Notwithstanding I may in the meane time endeavour to defend my selfe , & to seeke justice against them , since the Prophet David hath taught me ; that Charity & Iustice are compatible , and that Peace and Iustice way kisse each other . And as touching this union of Charity and Iustice : It is not frō the purpose to recount an accident which hapned in Sivill of Spaine , in the time that my selfe lived there . A certaine Iudge of a Court , called in their language an Oydor , riding somewhat late in the evening , was by his enemy who sought his life , assaulted in the street , and by whom he was mortally wounded , yet so as he lived in perfect sense & memory some few dayes after . The Murderer in the meane time was apprehended , and being brought unto the party , he humbly upon his knees confessing his most wicked attempt , besought him with many teares to forgive him . To whom sayth the wounded Iudge , being at hand to yeeld up the Ghost : Yes brother , from the Tyles of the House upward , I freely forgive thee ; but from the Tyles downward , I desire Iustice may bee done upon thee . And in the same minde that hee was dying , am I now living ; From the Thatch of the House upward , I freely forgive all my adversaryes , persecutors , and enemyes : That is , I desire all heavenly graces & good gifts from the Father of Lights to descend downe upon them , and after this life , the salvation of their soules in Heaven : Moreover I desire that the good Angells of GOD may keep them in all their wayes , & protect them from all harme in body , goods , & good name . Notwithstanding from the Thatch downeward , I will not desist to call & cry for Iustice , and satisfaction against them , so long as I amable either to write , or speake ; which satisfaction & reparation of wrongs , as in part I have already by the Iudgment of the Civill Magistrate , received against some , ( for which I shall ever remaine most thankfull , ) So am I in hope , the like Iustice remaines for the rest ; which with patience I will expect . For the former , reade as followeth . Rev. Father Paul Harris , VVHereas Fa. Thomas Dowd , & Fa. Richard Fortrell Priests , chosen orderers between us two , made an order against mee , for the repayring of your good name , & that I alwayes refused , & neglected to performe the said order , untill such time as the R. Ho. the Lord Deputy Generall commanded me thereunto . Now then I being no lesse willing to shew mine humble obedience to his Honour , then also sorry to have detracted of your fame : I doe by these presents most willingly and submissively , aske forgivenesse of your Rev. Fa. Paul Harris , this being a point of the Order , for all such abuses , obloquyes , detractions , as I have done against you , either by words , or writings , or otherwise . And I doe hereby ( acknowledging my fault ) earnestly pray you in Christian charity , to accept of this mine humble submission , tending to the restitution of your good name . And withall , I doe hereby sincerely promise , never hereafter to speake in any sort which may directly , or indirectly , tend to the obscuring of your good name . Witnesse my hand this 23. of Feb. 1633. Edmund Doyle . Being present Iohn Fitton . Stephen Iellous . Robert Nugent . VVilliam Hechins . How truely is it said ? Quae nocent , docent , Those things that doe hurt us , doe instruct us . And the Prophet Esay 28. Vexatio dabit intellectum , Tribulation will give understanding . And day lie experience sheweth , that to those dutyes whom prosperity can not draw , affliction drives , even as froward children are forced to kisse the rod & hand that whipt them . It is observed , that some sort of Birdes doe sing more sweetly imprisoned in a Cage , then either in the fields , or woods abroad . Howsoever it fareth with Birdes , I am assured , these notes & palinodious dittyes had never been sung , but in a Cage ; but now the author of this submission being at liberty , for all his Castle-promises , redijt ad ingenium or rather ad vomitum , hath returned to his old disposition , or rather to his vomit . Otherwise had he persisted in the accomplishment of what he solemnely promised , his submission at this time had neither beene pressed on published . CAP. VII . Of the conveyance of these Letters from Rome , into Ireland , and by what meanes they came unto the hands of the Archb. Flemming . BEing lately in the Country , it was my chance in some communication with one of my acquaintance , to ask of him , if he knew , or could guesse , how the Cardinalls Letters were passed into Ireland , and came to the hands of Dublinensis , whether by the post of Paris , or Antwerp , &c. He answered very pleasantly , he could soone resolve mee in that point , and that they neither came by the way of Paris or Antwerp , but by the way of Loretto . Your reason quoth I. Why ? quoth he , wot you not that there passed from Ireland certaine Pilgrims for Loretto the last yeare , & so from Loretto , to Rome , and returned back this last Spring ? Now , before they returned home from their pilgrimage , there was not a word spoken of these Letters ; but since their arrivall , all the Countrey hath sounded of them . This discourse of my friend , made mee remember a passage which I read some 50. yeares agoe , in a Sermon of Hugh Latimer , which as then , so I now relate , to parallell his conceit . It hapned in the dayes of Henry 8. that many ships being cast away upon the coast of Kent , especially in that place which to this day is called Goodwins sands . The Councel thought good to grant a Cōmission to examin such as were of the most ancient inhabitants of those parts , if there could be any cause found thereof , who being called to Dover , were required to say their opinions in that case , what they thought might be the occasion of those dangerous seas & sands , now infamous for shipwracks , which informer times had no such note of danger . Among the examined , one old man stood up & told the Commissioners , that for his part , he wist well what was the cause of those troublesome sands , which swallowed up so many ships , and by my hood ( sayth he ) it is no other then Tenderton steeple . I say ( quoth he ) and will abide by it , that Tenderton steeple is the cause of Goodwin sands . For I can well remember the building of Tenderton steeple , and before it was built , there was no Goodwin sands , but soon after the building of that steeple I could heare the sea-faring men in the Church-yard after Even-song , and in the Ale-house , complaine much of those sands , and they would tell , how such a ship , such a Barque or Pinnace was there sunke &c. Well , well , quoth my friend ( interrupting me ) it is enough , you have very strongly confirmed my opinion of the Letters ; but what matter is it whether the Pilgrims are the cause of Goodwins sands , or Tenderton steeple brought the Letters frō Rome , let those whō the matter concernes more then you & me , look to it . For since they have the threed by the end , they know how to wynde it up . But since by this occasion we are fallen into mention of the Pilgrimage of Loretto , I pray you resolve what opinion you hold of that strange House of our Ladyes , of which there runneth so great a fame , as it drawes us out of Ireland from our Houses , Wives & Children , to the great danger of our persons , & expence of our purses , unlesse for such as make a bon voyage of it , & receive fifteene for five at their returne home . And as for the miracles , we heare very much with our cares , but wee see little with our eyes ; neither the blind or deafe to returne welsensed : as for the halt and the lame , I lesse marvaile , for few of them can reach so farre . Nay bi r lady , I have known some to carry hence a paire of good leggs with them , & scarce have brought them so sound back again . Besides they tell us , that House did use to flye in the aire , by sea & land , above a thousand leagues : now it is strange to us , that a House that hath no leggs to goe upon , should have wings to flye withall . Of these & other matters no lesse wonderfull , I pray you shew us the truth , and how farre they may bee beleeved ; for I confesse , God's above all &c. And I thinke by this time there was as many gathered about to listen to our talke , as were assembled in Queene Dido's Hall , to heare Aeneas discourse of the Trojan warre . Well then ( quoth I ) if so great a longing you have to heare the history of the Lauretan House , & the stupendious wonders of that holy place . Albeit the lights upon yonder cup-bord are now spent farre below their wastes , & so invite us rather to retire our selves unto our lodgings , then to begin any new discourse : yet to satisfie your no lesse earnest , then harmlesse curiosity , I will begin . Know then , that I have not onely read and heard of this House but I have seen the same , and ( which I more esteeme ) my selfe within it . And for the reasons which shall after be alleadged ) I am perswaded this is the very same House in which the blessed Virgin the Mother of GOD was borne , in which she received the Angelicall salutation , and in which the Saviour of the World in his infancie was nursed and bred . And albeit ( I confesse ) that of some it is scarce beleevod , how this House ( now used as a Chappell ) came to be transported from Nazareth , so many , hundred leagues by scarce & land , Et per varios casus , after so many remouealls , to be placed where now it stands in the Picene Territory , neere unto Ancona in Italy . * First then for the Posse , those who believe the omnipotencie of GOD , cannot doubt of the possibility of the transportation of this House , no more then they can of that history of the Prophet Habaccuck , who by the haire of the head was carryed by the Angell , from Indea into Babylon , to Daniel , to give him his dinner in the Lyons denne , and from thence back againe , Dan. 14. or of the assumption of Elias in a fiery chariot into heaven . 2. Kings 2. Or of Philip , who ( frō the Eunuch whom heliad baptized ) was by the spirit placed in Azotus , Act. 8. The difficulty then is , Defacto esse , whether indeed this transportation of the Lauretan House is by the same faith to be beleeved , as the former examples out of the Old and New Testament . I answere , No. Those by divine faith excluding all uncertainty for the authority of the revealer , the Holy Ghost this leaning upon humane testimony , hath accordingly humane credibility , not voyd of all uncertainty , yet not dangerous unto salvation , and may bee embraced without disparagement to any mans wisedome , were he equall therein to Solon , or Salva●●on . For as we beleeve the Citty of Rome to have beene founded by Romalus , because some prophane . Writers doe so report : Why may not so much credit given unto the Relatours & Legendars of that history called Domus Lauretana , being Christians , & more pious Historians then the former ? It seemes to me not much different from a miraculous preservation , that M. Manlius , one man , in the night defended the Capitoll from the Gaules , after they had ascended the height thereof , expulsing and throwing them downe head-long , being destitute both of Weapon & Armour . Memorable is that also & in my opinion not much short of a miracle : That Horatius Cocles , a valiant Roman , & blind of one eye , by his alone prowesse with-stood Porsenna King of the Tuscans , & his whole Army , invading the Citty , & standing upon the bridge , defended the passage , & made it good , one man against a multitude , till such time as his Citizens ( being at dinner , & not understanding of that danger ) comming to their doores and windowes , and seeing in what estate matters were , issued forth to his ayde , and breaking downe the bridge behinde him , hee with no lesse admiration , threw himselfe into the river Tibris , and in his Armour , swamme unto the Citty shoare without any harme . What thinke you of the two twinnes Romulus & Remus , immediatly after their birth , throwne into the river Tibris , at the command of Amulius , & being cast upon the shoare , were no lesse wonderously preserved by the kinde fostership of a shee Wolfe , who left her owue whelpes to give them suck ? What shall we say of Tarquinius Priscus the fift King of the Romans , who cut a whetstone in two parts with a rasor ? Servius Tull us seene many times with a flame of fire about his head , licking his haire & temples . Can wee beleeve all this , and many other things no lesse strange , for the authority of one Livy , renowned in the Roman history ? And must whatsoever is related by so many pious Authors , and consented unto , by the Suffrages ( in a manner ) of all Christians , as touching that sacred House of Loretto , be throwne out of doores ? To come to Ecclesiasticall history , we reade that Gregory , B. of Neocesarea , called ( for his great & many miracles ) Thaumaturgus , removed a Rock out of his place ; & this is related by no meaner an Author then the great S. Basil , a Primative Father , and an ancient Doctor of Gods Church , who doubteth not to compare the aforesaid Gregory , to Moses , the Prophets & the Apostles . This S. Gregory lived in the yeare 233. after our Saviour , & S. Basil 370. both of them in the Primitive times of the Church . We know who said unto his Disciples , if they had faith , as a graine of mustard seed , they should say unto this mountaine , remove hence , & it should obey , Math. 17. And the like of the Mulberry tree . Luke 17. Neither doe I applaud that opinion , that maintaines all miracles to have ceased with the Apostles and Disciples of our Saviour . For ( methinkes ) that doctrine is not consonant to these Scriptures , Mar. 16. Signa autem cos qui crediderint hac sequentur , &c. The signes that shall follow such as beleeve , are these ; In my Name shall they cast out devils , they shall speake with new tongues , they shall take away serpents , & if they drinke any thing that is deadly , it shall not hurt them : they shall lay hands upon the sick , & they shall be healed , &c. Of which miracles , albeit some of them were wrought by the Apostles , and recorded in their Acts , yet why this Scripture may not extend to the faithfull in all ages , according to that order & distribution of gifts , layde downe by the Apostle , 1. Cor. 12. I would willingly understand ? And some verily GOD hath set in the Church : first Apostles , secondly Prophets , thirdly Doctours , next miracles , then the graces of doing cures , helpes , governments , kindes of tongues . Are all Apostles ? Are all Prophets ? Are all Doctors ? Are all Miracles ? Have all the grace of doing cures ? Doe all speake with tongues ? Doe all interpret ? This text then that proves unto us , that in the Church are placed Doctors , helpes , & governments , tells us also , that in the same , GOD hath set miracles , & graces of healing ; neither was the Church which our blessed Saviour purchased with his owne Bloud , and the Holy Ghost , enriched with those divine graces , to endure only for the time of the Apostles , and the 42. Disciples , but even unto his second comming , & yeelding up his government into the hands of his Father . By the same reason then that they exclude miracles , they must also exile Doctours , helpes , & governments out of the Church , all concluded by the Apostle in one catalogue , & these later confirmed to be perpetuall in the Church . Ephes . the 4. and consequently the former . Againe , our Saviour sayth , Iohn 14.12 . Amen , amen I say unto you , he that beleeveth in me , the workes that I doe , he also shall doe , and greater workes then these shall be doe . But we finde not this Scripture fulfilled in any of the Apostles , or of his Disciples , or in all of them put together , whose miracles ( so farre forth as we reade of them in holy Writ ) did neither in number or excellencie , equall our Saviours miracles , and much lesse exceede them . Who then be they that shall doe greater workes then our Saviour did ? but the faithfull who were to succeed in the future ages of the Church ? of which times now to descend to speake , me thinkes it would argue either too much simplicitie , or singularitie , to discredit all those miracles , ascribed as well to the Saints departed this life , and their Reliques , as to the living ; by those Fathers and Doctours of Gods Church , who for their antiquity , sanctity , and learning , all ages have , and ever shall admire . S. Iohn Chrysostome , in a whole Booke against the Pagans , proveth that Christ was God , because he wrought miracles , not onely by S. Peters shadow , and S. Paul his hand-kerchiefe , but also by the reliques and monuments of Saints , and namely by the ashes of S. Babilas . As Almighty GOD by the bones of the Prophet Elizeus gave life unto a dead corps , so soone as it touched them , 4. Reg. 13. See for this S. Chrysost . lib. de Babilamar . tom . 5. Eusebius . B. of Caesarca , who flourished in the yeare 326. reports in his Ecclesiasticall History , That the woman who was cured by our Saviour of a Flux of Bloud , Mat. 9. having the Image of our Saviour made of brasse , and placed before her doore , there did grow up a certaine strange hearbe at the foot of the Image , which so soone as in growth it came to touch the hemme of our Saviours garment in that Statua , it became medicinable to the curing of all infirmityes , but being taken before it sprung up to that height , it had no vertue at all . And the same Author tells us , that this same brasen Image of our Saviour continued till his time , and that he saw it with his owne eyes . Euseb . eccles . histor . lib. 7. cap. 14. What shal we say unto the miracles wrought by S. Paul. the first Hermite , and by Hilarion , recorded by S. Hierom ? The miracles of many Saints , wrought at their tombes and monuments , testified by S. Augustine in his Bookes De civitate Dei ? The miracles of S. Martin , written by Severus Sulpitius . The innumerable miracles of the holy Ermites , living in the desarts of Lybia , recounted by Theoderet in his religious history ? The miracles approved by S Gregory the Great in his Dialogues ? The miracles reported by S. Bede in his Ecclesiasticall History & lives of Saints ? with infinite others , recorded by Ecclesiasticall Writers of later times : must all these bee ranked with the Legends of Amadis de Gaule , of Huyon of Burdeaux , of Primaleon of Greece , or the Knight of the Sun ? O no : neither judgment , nor piety can allow of it . But to draw to a conclusion , That it may appeare unto our senses , that miracles are not ceased , but continued among us even till these times : And that Almighty GOD hath not so restrained his power to the Ordinary course of secondary causes , as that sometimes , and so often as he is pleased , he transcendeth not all the works of Nature , shewing such wonders among us , as that the most refractary cannot but say with the unbeleeving Iewes , Act. 4.16 . Ecce manifestum signum factum est , & non possumus negare : Behold , a manifest miracle is wrought among us , and we cannot deny it . I will then only insist in that kinde of miracle which is called : Gratia sanitatū , the gift of healing diseases , inserted in the List of miracles , both by our Saviour , Mar. 16. and by the Apostle 1. Cor. 12. which gift ab effectis , is apparant to have beene conferred from above , unto two Christian Princes , as it were by an hereditary descent frō immemorable times , namely , the King of England , and the French King , who onely by the touch of their hands . ( calling upon Almighty GOD ) doc cure that diseafe which in Greeke is called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , in Latine struma , and in our English tongue scarce known by any other name then the Kings evill , soyclepped from the Crowned Curers . Neither is this infirmity helped by any other Prince , or Potentate upon Earth , but by those two sacred & anointed Kings , neither have they the gift of helping any other disease or infirmity in mans body , this onely excepted . By what then hath beene said , as touching the authentication of miracles , as well in moderne , as ancient times , I see not but according to the weight & worth of the reporters , they may receive admittance : It being no lesse a fault of indiscretion to beleeve nothing , as to beleeve every thing in that kinde published . And now in the last place , it remaines to answere unto my friends objection , made in the beginning of this Chap. That ( forsooth ) many infirme & diseased persons returne from Rome & Loretto , & other holy places , with as little health as they passed hence ; which difficultie shal be the better resolved , if wee consider the varietie of Pilgrimes , and digest them into their severall rankes : Sith among those that passe into forraine Countreyes , you have in a manner as many ends & purposes , as persons . For first we have the Curious Pilgrim , whom cōmonly we call the Traveller , either some yong Gallant in his minority , or lately wived , or who either upon some discontent leaving their home , & friends , make the scope & end of their peregrination ( according to the best interpretation ) to furnish themselves with knowledge & experience , observing the various manners of Men and Cittyes , & not alwayes in motion , but sometimes at anchor in some famous Vniversity , to heare a Pythagoras , a Plato , or an Aristotle . Who ( to observe that short precept of Tully ) it shall never repent thē at their cōming home . Peregrini , & incolae officium est , nihil praeter negotium suum agere . Officer . It becomes a Pilgrim , and an Inmaco , to meddle with nothing but his owne affaires . Neither would I wish this our curious Pilgrim to bee too long absent from home , lest he taste of such discommodities as Vlysses did , at his returne to Ithaca . Our second Pilgrime is the Covetous Pilgrim , a venturer , though no merchant , who designes his voyage to some one set place , admitting a probability of danger , either in respect of the Countrey so remote , or of the indisposition of his body , for age , or infirmity , in regard whereof , he covenants before he departs from his own smoake , to multiply the greater , by the lesser number , according to the exposing of his Dollors , Dublons , Rings , Chaynes , Iewels , Horses , Coaches , & what not : That at his returne ( if ever ) he may say . — I am mihi quarto : I am decies redit in rugam . Pers . Sat. 6. his Creditors at home ( in the meane time ) cursing those leggs that shall ever bring him back . Our third Pilgrim , is the Counterfeit Pilgrim , who under pretence of devotion , visiting the most memorable Pilgrimages of Christendome , he walkes by Cathedrall Churches , Abbayes , & Hospitalls , not disdayning also ( Si spes refulserit nummi ) to visit places of inferiour note . To which purpose , as the prologue to his intended & pretended Pilgrimage , he puts himselfe into a Pilgrims Habit , which is a gray Frise coat , side to the mid-legg , well girt unto him , a stiffe felt of a course hat of the same colour , a strong ashen staff in his hand about his own pitch , with two bigg knots toward the upper end . His knapsack , and his Calavas , accommodated under his left arme , with the provision in them of an Noahs Arke . And to the end it may appeare , that he beggs not of any necessity , but onely like a young Iesuite for mortification , his holland-shirt hangs halfe a foot out of his sleeve at the hand , & below his Frise Habit , you shall discover a faire silke stocking upon his legg , for by that sleight he shall be held by strangers , a man of note & fashion in his Countrey , & that thorough extremity of piety , he travells so disguised , to give satisfaction unto his supposed most sincere devotion , either voluntarily undertaken , or injoyned for pennance . And whereas the needy beggar , vested as well in-side , as out-side , with pure unfayned poverty , shall with much importunity get a penny , this Counterfeit will purchase a pound , and after a few moneths , returnes home , like a Spanish Gallion from the West Indyes . Our fourth Pilgrim , who from his motion may bee termed the Rolling Pilgrim , being very penurious , makes a vertue of necessity , no lesse mindful of his wallet then of his devotion , eating the sinnes of the people by whom he passeth , whose travells commonly do end either with his health , or with his life , imitating the motion of the heavenly bodies ; for as they rolle about the circumference , so he about the center . Neither doth it much import where he beginnes , since hee is not determined where to conclude & make an end . Meeting him then upon the borders of France , comming from the never-wasting taper of Arras , he tends for Amiens in Picardy , there to visite the head of S. Iohn Baptist . Thence he passeth to S. Denis , where besides many other rare Reliques in rich inclosures , he doth reverence the thorne of our Saviours Crowne . And so to Paris , prostrated at the shrine of S. Genovefa , neither forgets he in his walke the rest of the nostre Dames of France : descending to Marsells in Provence , hee religiously adores the Reliques of S. Lazarus , whom our Saviour Iohn 11. raised to life : next hee arrives at Baubne , where hee tenders his devotion at the body of the blessed Magdalen , who anointed our Saviours head , and washed his feete with her teares : Then entring into Savoy , & passing the Alpine rocks & mountaines of snow , hee descends into Piemont , where he visits the Reliques of S. Eusebius B. of Vercells . At Millan in Lombardy , he visits the monument of S. Ambrose ; as also of S. Carolus Borromeus , both Bish . of that place : thence to Padua , to honour the Reliques of S. Antony . From thence he speeds himselfe to the holy Chamber of Loretto , made glorious by the presence of our Saviour in his Childhood , his Mother , and S. Ioseph . Quam virgo coluisse domum magis omnibus unam Posthabita fertur Galilea . Hic illius Icon Hic stabilis cultus . Locus hic quem tempus in omne Esse suum voluit , quem nunc habitatque , fovetque . Where after the tribute of his devotion payde , ( if his poverty , and no better and out-side , bee not an impediment ) he shal be admitted into the Sacristia , to beholde not onely the sumptuous ornaments of the Church , but the rich offerings of Emperours , Kings & Princes , of Queenes , Nobles , and Ladyes , of greater value then all the land and fertile soyle he can behold from the hill of Tarro , where I advise him to looke to his conscience in the matter of the tenth Commandement . And now taking his leave of Loretto , I wot well hee hastens to Rome , the Queene of Cityes , somtimes Empresse of the Earth , where hee presents himselfe Ad limina Apostolorum , before the Altar of the two Apostles S. Peter and S. Paul , he visits the seven Churches , he makes the holy staires , ( being charitably entertained for three dayes diet , and lodging , in the Hospitall of the holy Trinity ) It may be also his good hap to be admitted ad Mensam Papalem , to dine in his Hol. presence , being the dayly ordinary of twelve poore Pilgrimes , but let him not expect to be admitted to that Table the second time . And now enriched with Beades , Graynes , and Meddalls , and happily with some Reliques of the eleven thousand Virgins , or of the martyred Legions in the dayes of Dioclesian preserved at the trefontani , a mile from Rome ( of which there be great store , and so the lesse esteemed ) he bids Rome farewell , with a Non habemus hic civitatem permanentem , & setting his Palmers staffe upon one end , he is indifferent which way it falls , but resolved that way to wend ; If towards the South , he holds his course for Naples , not staying at all for the Convoy , knowing that the empty purse , feares not the theefe , inviting in his way the Hospitalls to supper & lodging ; arriving at that noble Citty ( mindfull of his vocation ) first , with devout pases , he sets forward to the monument of S. Ianuarius , where with much admiration hee beholdes the martyrs bloud in a Viall , so often bubbling , & boyling , as his head is brought in presence of it : Having complyed with his devotions at the rest of the Churches & Chappels , & collected the charitable almes of the Citty , he cuts over some two dayes sayle , to Ligorne in Tus●●ane , & so betakes himselfe to Luca , to the miraculous Crucifixe : thence by sea or land to Pavia in Lombardy , where hee humbly loutes at the tombe of the great S. Augustine , in a Church , common both to the Ermites & Canon Regulars of his Order . And so our Palmer bids sweet Italy adieu , the garden of the World , & a terrestriall Paradise : Importuning his charitable passage from Genoa in a Galley bound for Barcelona , whore comming a shore , after one dayes journey , he tastes the entertainment of our blessed Lady of Monteserrate , who hath a Diamond in her Crowne , valued at fourteene thousand Duckets , the most frequented Pilgrimage , not onely of Catalaunia , but of all Spaine , admirable for the situation , a Monastery placed in the top of a mountaine , among the cloudes , the passage thereunto cut out with sawes , from whence it hath the name of Monte-serrate : after this he passeth to Sarragosa , where he bids his Beades before Nuestra Sinnora de la Pillar , our Lady of the Pillar ( her Statua being advanced on the top of a high smal Pillar in the chiefe Church , ) which done , he bends his course to our Lady of Guadalupa ; from thence to Sivill to Nuestra Sinnora de Antigua , with so many silver lamps in silver chaynes depending , & ever burning . And so leaving Andaluzia , he coasts over Siera Morena , to Burgos , to worship the sweating Crucifix : & never rests till he arrive at the body of S. Iames at Compostella in Gallicia a rich Monastery of the Benediotines ; where refreshing himselfe some few dayes , he betakes himselfe to his accustomed employments , and bidding Spaine a dios , hee bends his course for France , passing the mount of S. Adrian , among the Pyren hills , trusting to God , and to his good leggs , to finde himselfe at Towres , against the Anniversary solemnity of S. Martin , sometimes B. of that place , whose Feast falls upon the 11 of November . And I pray God ( quoth my friend interrupting mee againe ) that your head grow not addle , with so many windings , & turne abouts of your wandring Pilgrime ; but now having brought him to France where first you found him , I pray you bid him farewell , and give him leave to rolle where he list , for it seemes , that it is one of his vowes , never to rest , so long as he can either goe , or creepe ; & ( I trow ) I have heard you sometimes to say , such Pilgrimes were seldome holy men , * To whom ( quoth I ) If my discourse have proved long : It is your invitation at the first , and heedfull attention , which have beene the causes thereof . Nothing more encouraging a man to draw out the threed of his speech to the ful length , then attentive Auditors , which I have found you hitherto to be . Having then passed through so many Pilgrimes : The Curious , the Covetous , the Counterfeit , and the Wanderer , Give me leave to adde to that number the fift , which is the Distressed Pilgrim , in speaking of whom , had you my friend not interrupted my discourse happily by this time I had given you an account of what you desired at my hands in the beginning , which ( if I doe not mistake ) is this . How comes it to passe ( say you ) That in those which you call holy places , and have in so high an estimation , & glory so much of their miracles ? That we behold so great a number of Halt , Blinde , Deafe , Dumbe , lamed of their limmes , diseased of their bodies , of Dropsies , Palsies , Consumptions , Convulsions , Gouts , Sciaticks , Phrensies , Ielousies , Epilepsies , & c ? so few to be cured , or to returne home sound of winde , & lim , & in perfect health ? To which I answere . It seemes no more strange then that so many sitting at home , ( where they have almighty GOD still present with them ) doe not recover of the same infirmities , For albeit we heare it said , Petite & dabitur vobis , quarite & invenietis , pulsate & aperietur vobis . Luc. 11. Aske , & it shal be given you ; seeke , & you shall find ; knock , & it shal be opened unto you . Yet S. Iames saith . Petitis & non accipitis , eò quòd malè petatis , Iac. 4. You aske & you receive not , & the reason is added , because you aske amisse . Whether then at home , or abroad , you aske amisse ; that is , either things unlawfull , or in complacency of sin , or with an inordinat desire , as of health , or any other temporall benefit , which happily denyed , is better then obtayned . This inordinate desire , not conformable to the will of GOD , & repugnant unto our soules health , may be a sufficient impediment of not receiving what is asked . Our distressed Pilgrime repaires unto Loretto ; he speeds not ; he went blinde , he returnes blinde ; he went crooked , he returnes with the same Nemesis upon his shoulders ; hee went hence with two good legges , hee comes limping home ; hee went with a Dropsie , he comes home with a Timpany ; hee went to be cured of his phrensie , or his jealousie , and he returnes madd . Was there then any insufficiencie of almighty GOD , to have supplyed these defects , or to have remedied these diseases at the memory of his Saints ? O no. The Poet could say , Pers . Sat. 2. Poscis opem nervis , corpusque fidele senectae : Esto , age : sed grandes patinae , tucetaque crassa Annuere his superos vetuere , Iovemque morantur . Thou askes sound lims & strength against old age , But up-heapt plates , the long and fat sausage Forbids the Gods ; and Iove to grant suffrage . It is said of our Saviour , Mar. 6. That in his owne Countrey of Nazareth , by reason of their incredulity , Non poterat virtutem ullam facere , he could not worke any miracle , but onely heale a few sick persons . Not that our Saviour being GOD , could not work miracles , but that on their part there wanted apt dispositiōs & capacity unto them . Of which dispositiōs , Faith is the principall ? & note , that Non possum is often in the Scriptures put for Nolo , I will not . So our Saviour sayth in the Gospell : The children of the Kingdome cannot fast while he be with them , non possunt jejunare , as much as to say , nolunt jejunare , they will not fast . So when a man takes himselfe to be wronged , hee will commonly say , I can not put up this wrong at his hands : I can not disgest it : as much to say , I will not . Againe , we must not inferre , that where dispositions requisite in the person of the Patient are found , as a true faith , purity of heart , resignation to the will of GOD , that there is alwayes the benefit of cure in their corporall infirmityes , because it is ever a ruled case : That our heavenly Father knowes what we have need of , & what is best for us : many moe being driven by adversity to seeke out their salvation , then by prosperity : those who have but one eye , one foot , one hand , entring into Heaven , when others who have two eyes , feet , hands , are cast into hell fire . Mark. 9. And we know the Parable of the Sun & the Wind. Albeit then we see twenty for one returning from such places ( where almighty GOD is pleased sometimes to work miracles , in honor of those who on earth were his faithfull & true servants , & now triumphant in Heaven ) laboring still of those maladies , for which they sought relief at the memories of Saints , It would be great presumption & temerity in us , to suspect , much more to judge , that they were not prepared for so great a benefit . We know what Apology our Saviour made in the case of the man blinde from his nativity . When as the Iewes demanded of him , Quis peccavit , hic , aut parentes ejus , ut coecus naseeretur ? Iohn 9. Who was it that sinned , he , or his parents , that he should be borne blind : The answer was , Neque hic peccavit , neque parentes ejus , &c. Neither hath this man sinned , nor his parents , but that the workes of GOD might bee manifested in him . And by analogy the same may be applyed to our case . Besides , it is not to bee doubted of , but many infirme & diseased people repaire to such places , more for devotion & spiritual comfort , then for any desire , or expectatiō of their bodily health . Non ut benè sit pedi , aut lateri , sed ut benè sit anima : not so tender of the well-fare of their corruptible bodies , as of that immortall part , which is , and ought to be most deare unto them . And so much ( my friend ) to answere your difficulty , why so many returne from pilgrimages without reparation of their health . The last knot to be untyed in this Argument , ( & rather insinuated by you , then clearely propounded ) is this . How is it to be beleeved say some ? That so many signes and works surpassing all power of Nature , which we call miracles , should be wrought at the memory and monuments of Saints , rather then in other places . The omnipotencie of GOD ( the Author both of Nature , Grace , and all miraculous workes ) being one and the same in all places and times . To as many as urge this reason , and thinke it worthy to be insisted upon . I might say as our Saviour said unto the Sadducees , Math. 23. Erratis nescientes scripturas , & virtutem Dei : You erre , not knowing the Scriptures , or the power of GOD. Our blessed Saviour tells us , Luke 4. Quòd multa erans vidua , &c. That there were many Widowes in the dayes of Elias in Israel , when as the Heavens were shut for 3. yeares and six moneths , in which time there was a great famine thorough the whole earth , and unto none of those was Elias sent , but in Sarepta of Sidonia , unto one Woman a Widow . And there were many Lepers in Israel , in the dayes of Elizeus the Prophet , and none of them was cleansed , but Naaman the Syrian . Now what was the cause why no other Widow was exempted from that famine , but only the Widow of Sarepta ? Because ( notwithstanding the presence of GOD in all places ) there wanted also the presence of the Prophet Elias . And why were not the rest of the Lopers clennsed , but onely Naaman the Syrian ? wanted there the power of GOD , or due preparation in the Subject : Who can say so ? No , but the presence of the Prophet Elizeus . By which we see the circumstance of personall presence , though not necessary unto the power , yet many times required unto the will of the worker of signes and wonders . And albeit our Saviour in the Gospell , sometimes did cure the absent , to givers to understand , that his power was not restrayned to presence , yet commonly , and so the most part , hee cured none but the present : and so the people did understand , both by laying his hands upon them in the Cure : As when by reason of the presse of people , they uncovered the roofe of the house , Mar. 2. to let downe the Paralinique in his bed before him . So the Prophet Elias raised not the Widowes son to life , before him selfe came unto him . And our Saviour went unto the grave of Lazarus before he revived him . He took the Governors Daughter by the hand , Math. 9. as also in Naum he touched the Coffin of the dead , before he raysed them to life . And no lesse also doe we behold a presence required even in those livelesse instruments , which it pleaseth the divine Wisdome to use in this kind . So the bones of the Prophet Elizeus , quickned the dead Corps throwne into his grave , by a Physicall touch or contact . The waters of Iordan in like manner , the leprosie . The Hemorissa ( being so many yeares diseased ) found no cure , till she touched the hemme of our Saviours garment . The waters of the pond in Hierusalem , Iohn 5. did not heale before they were touched . S. Peters shadow , healed none but such as it passed over . And the Napkins & Handkerchiefes which were sent from the Body of S. Paul , being applyed , did not onely cure diseases , but cast out devils Acts 19. By which , & many other examples ( which for brevity I omit ) it may appeare , that either Presence , Application , or Physical contact in most miracles , have beene required as a condition to the effecting of them . That we may the lesse marvaile , if present at the Reliques and monuments of Saints , we receive those helps both spirituall and temporall , which being absent , wee might misse of . And so I conclude this Chap. of Pilgrimages , my selfe unfit for those ttavells , to which some against my will , most willingly would compell me . And now our artificial starres being ready to set , & to descend below their Horizons . It is time to end that discourse , to which your attention hath thus farre drawne me . And so wishing all well-fare & happines to the whole Company , I bid you all good-night : resolving my selfe to sleepe , till some other occasion shall awake mee . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A02680-e910 * Coneil . Constant . Notes for div A02680-e3020 * So Aaor . c. 14. q. 2. Farinas . q 8. De Inquisit-Ambrosinus cap 18 n. 39. Molina de Iust . tract . 2 , disput . 31. conclus 4. Salas de leg . disp . 14. sect . 9. n. 111. with many others . Notes for div A02680-e4760 * The house of Loretto came into Italy , 1294. Blondus , 1389. lib. 1. de Italia illustrata reg . 5. wri●eth of it , and Pet. Georgius , 1461. So also Hieron Anglitanus in the same age , Baptista Mantuan . Erasm . in his Liturg. and in his Sermō thereof In our dayes Pet. Canisius , Muretus . Turselinus . * Qui multum peregrinantur , rarò sanctifican●u● . Gerson de I●●● as , Chr.