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LONDON , Printed for Randal Taylor near Stationers-hall . 1687. THE PREFACE . FInding , that in our Modern Controversies with the Church of Rome which are Printed , and in Discourses with those of that Communion , they make their Retreat almost upon all Accounts to the Churches Authority ; either as a Point that may be most Colourably defended , or which lazy and weak Heads most readily take up with , I was induced to examin it . Safety and Certainty are things very valuable , not only because they carry a delightfull correspondency to our Minds , but also for the respect they have to the Time before us , which in Prudence we must provide for ; no Condition being so uneasy and disgracefull , as when a Man comes to proclaim his own Folly by saying , Who thought of this ? Such as our Interest at stake is , such ought our Care to be , that we may not be imposed upon by Pretences . It argues a degenerous Mind , that rests it self upon that which comes next hand . But not to inlarge this Preface , I will only say a very few Things concerning Faith , for which Church-Authority is pretended as a Ground . Faith is often in Scripture put to signify Religion ; and in that Sense it implies , not only those Things which a Christian must know and believe , but also the applying the Mind to them in all Obedience and Humility , not excluding the assistance of Grace which subdues the perversness of our Wills ; and thus , with a particular Propriety , it may be styled the Gift of God. But in this following Discourse , as sometimes in Scripture , Faith more especially means , that Act or Operation of the Mind whereby it imbraces those , Things which are sufficiently Proposed to it . And as Truth is more or less apparent , so the Mind is more or less firmly united to it . Not that the Object of our Faith has in it any Vncertainty , but that our Prejudices and Passions , our Interests and Pleasures , by which our Wills are warped and made stubborn , hinder the Mind from apprehen●ing Truth . These false Biasses too often ●●nfound our Reason●ngs ▪ and misguide our Minds : And he●ce it comes to pass , as the Scripture observes , that Faith in some is Weak , in all capable of Increase . 'T is manifest , the Mind may discern Truth so , as to be certain of it ; but still a Corrupt Will may as it were unhinge the Judgment , and make its adherence less firm . This was well enough observed by him that lately wrote the History of the Life of Christ , That Faith which springs from the Evidence of Sense , or from clear Demonstration , must needs be of small Esteem and Reward with God. St. Thomas was Checked for not believing without it ; and the Parable tells us , if Moses and the Prophets could not Convince , neither would they be perswaded though one rose from the Dead . Now if the Churches Authority be that which our Faith may resolve into ; the Assent of the Mind would in all Points be equally Firm and Clear ; and so Faith would be Equal in all , annd capable of Improvement in none . Plain it is , that the design of Religion is to bring Men to a right apprehension and belief of God ; and to ingage them to a holy and vertuous Life , in conformity to such an Idea of that pure and perfect Being . He that has not a Mind so disposed , will never be influenced by an Infallible Guide ; and he that has an humble Mind , and teachable Spirit will need none . However , I am sure , he that will not be satisfied without one , must go farther than Rome to find him . But this grows too fast for a Preface ; therefore I will only tell you , that I have purposely avoided a multitude of Citations , because they have more or less Authority as People please ; but I have proceeded by the weights and moments of Reason , which are equally valuable to all . A SHORT DISCOURSE Concerning the Churches Authority IN MATTERS of FAITH . IT is a fundamental Maxim , and of unquestionable Authority in Nature , That Truth is always and every where one and the same . So that among the various Opinions in the World , but one of them can be right . Upon which account , Schism , with its ill Consequences , is on all sides much lamented , whilest every body thinks he has the Truth , and Peace , and Unity , in pretence at least , much desired . But the misery is , all would have them upon their own terms , and that frustrates their desires . Controversies therefore still depending , and the Points under debate being of such importance , that the Party which affirms them , makes the believing them to be a necessary Condition of Catholick-Communion , and damns them that refuse them ; while the Party that denies says , they run a manifest hazard that imbrace them : It cannot be thought unfit for any Man to inquire after a method , which may bring these Disputes to an issue , or that may keep in Peace and Quietness the Minds and Consciences of Christians , while Pride , Interest , or Prejudice , shall keep open the Breach , or maintain the Quarrel . Nothing is more Natural and Congenial to Mankind than Truth ; and the desire of it is implanted in the hearts of all Men ; an impartial search after it therefore , is what all Men are bound to . And as Salvation is the End in Common aimed at by all , so , it highly concerns-every Christian to examin the way by which he goes toward that End ; and he ought to inquire the more Cautiously and Diligently , for that the ways proposed for attaining Salvation are Many and Different : And those that go one Way , will hardly allow Safety to them that take another . And this at present is the Case between the Papists and the Protestants , which invite Men to each others Communion , as safer and better for attaining Eternal Happiness . Every Man has a Soul to be saved ; and what must be done to inherit Eternal Life , is an Enquiry every one in the World ought ▪ and , I hope , most Christians do , make for themselves . For since our first Parents , by their Disobedience , incurred Death to themselves , and their Posterity , Salvation is what by Nature we could neither Claim nor Expect . But , that the Devil might not triumph in an absolute Conquest over so glorious a part of the Creation as Mankind , God , of his infinite Mercy , was pleased to enter into a Second Covenant with Men , in order to their Salvation ; but this upon Condition of Faith and Repentance on our parts , to answer the Salvation proposed and offered on his . Now this Covenant , being an Act of meer Grace , issuing purely from the good Pleasure of God ; it is very plain , Mankind can know no more of this Covenant , nor of the Conditions of it , than God himself has been pleased to Reveal and Discover . So that all Questions and Disputes , about our Common Salvation , must be brought to this one as the Standard of all , viz. Whether it be the Will of God , or rather , Whether God has Discovered it to be his Will. For though the Will of God be the Fountain of all Duty and Obligation ▪ yet it cannot be a binding Law to any body , till it be made known to him , or sufficient means given for him to know it . That God can make his Will known to any Man , is too certain to be doubted ; but that his Will should be known , before he has discovered it , can never be pretended . And because every Man , considered as a Creature , and more especially every Christian , is bound to obey the Will of God ; therefore every Man is bound to inform himself of so much as God has made necessary to be known for his Salvation . I have added this , to shew that Implicit Faith is a dangerous bottom for any body to rest upon : For to believe as another believes , unless a Man knows what it is he believes , and upon what account , is very absurd , as may be made out anon . So much of the Will of God , as may be discovered by the Light of Nature , is besides my present Business ; because there is little difference among us about it . But that part of the Will of God , which we are bound to know , and adhere to , as we are Christians , by Profession distinguished from the rest of Mankind , as being in Covenant with God , is the Subject of this ensuing Discourse . Now this part of the Will of God , is either revealed to the Mind of every individual Christian , by particular and immediate Inspiration from God , or it was made known to some particular select Persons , who were to instruct the rest . The first of these ways is not pretended , or allowed , either by Protestants or Papists ; but the second is , viz. That God did Discover his Will to some that they might Publish it to the rest . And thus far I take it to be agreed betwixt us . Before we advance another step , we will lay it down as a Ground , That no Man knows the ▪ Mind of a Man , save the Spirit of a Man that is in him : No Man can know the Mind of another farther than it is Discovered to him . And by Consequence , no Man can know Revelations from God , made to the Mind and Understanding of another , but by one of these two ways ; in the first place , either God , by Inspiration , must assure him that he has made such Revelations to the other : As when God sent St. Paul at his Conversion to Damascus to be instructed by Ananias , which was an extraordinary Case , not fit to be drawn into Precedent ; and so neither pretended to , nor to be expected , since stances of it hitherto are so rare . Or , in the second place , he , to whom the Revelation is made , must bring such Testimony and Evidence , as may Convince Men that it is really Divine . His bare word for it , will not be a Competent Proof : Nor will the Testimony of other Men satisfie the Minds of reasonable Enquirers in this Case ; for those others must have some to Witness for them too , and so on without End. Which plainly evinces , that this is not a Basis for Faith to rest upon . Let us see then what will do , for we cannot forget what our Saviour confesses of himself to the Jews , viz. a That if he bear Witness of himself , his Witness is not true ; that is , it is not of force to Convince . But then he tells the Jews , b They ought to Believe him for his Works sake ; and accordingly he appealed to his Hearers . That the Works which he did in his Fathers Name bore Witness of him . * the Miracles which he wrought among them were sufficient to prove his Authority to be Divine , and his Doctrin to be from God. Nicodemus freely confessed as much , when he owned him a Teacher come from God ; because no Man could do the Miracles which he did ; except God were with him . And as our Saviour did demonstrate his Divinity by his Works ; so , when he sent his Apostles to publish his Doctrin to the World , he sealed their Commission , by giving them a Power to work Miracles , which might convince their Hearers of its Truth . And they ( the Apostles ) went forth , and preached every where , the Lord working with them , and confirming the Word with Signs following . So that it is not to be doubted , but that the Doctrine which the Apostles preached was Divine ; and the Miracles which they wrought , are our assurance that it was so . And hitherto all Christians proceed with little or no difference . Having thus laid down Miracles as a foundation upon which we are in some manner to ensure our Faith ; it seems necessary before we proceed , in few words to set down , 1. What we mean by Miracles ; and , 2. How far this Testimony of Miracles may extend , so as to authorise our Belief . First , by Miracles we must understand such Works as are not only without the Lines of ordinary Course , and measure of Nature ; for of this kind many things happen , which may be called Wonders , but not Miracles ; but such as are above the power of Nature to effect . But because many such Works have in appearance been wrought , for very different Purposes ; we must , in the second place , look what Judgment must be made of all such things . And certainly some way there is to distinguish ; or else , the Minds of Men would be involved in most perplexing and inextricable Difficulties , by such Contradictions , as have been abetted with Signs and Wonders . Let us see then by what Rules we must examine and judge Miracles themselves , or such Doctrines as are advanced upon them . For to receive all without distinction , would come to the same thing as to allow none : Because that can never prove any one Point , which may be alledged , or colourably pretended , in favour of another ; unless there be some way to appropriate it to one side , as by the Rules following it may . Whatsoever Doctrin is proposed , that is contrary to right Reason , or the fundamental Laws of Nature , cannot be Divine , or such as we ought to believe , though never so many Signs should be shew'd to confirm it . For right Reason is only a Judgment made according to that Law and Standard of Justice and Truth , which God our Creator has stamped upon the Minds of Men. And the Fundamentals of Reason issuing from God , as Light flows from its Fountain the Sun , must always remain unchangeably the same ; because he himself , from whom they Spring , has no variation . And if the Principles of Reason were not so fixed , we should be exposed to all manner of illusion ; and should never be able to believe any thing , because we could be certain of nothing . Upon this ground God directs the Jews to try their Prophets ; who if they preached up other Gods , were not to be hearkned to , though they worked Miracles ; nothing being more absurd , or inconsistent with right Reason , than allowing many Gods. Yet further , God , when he created Man , according to the exact Laws of eternal Justice , implanted in our Natures the Seeds of it , and the Sense of Honesty ; insomuch that whatever Miracles tend to the Damage of Mankind , or the Corruption of Manners , they cannot be from God ; nor can they authorize any Doctrin as Divine ▪ that is inconsistent with the forementioned Standard of Justice and Reason . And this makes a real Distinction , and sensible Difference betwixt the Miracles wrought by Christ , or his Apostles , and those by Heathen Magicians . On the one hand , the Miracles always tended to good , and were such as might invite Love as well as Admiration . On the other hand , they were , for the most part ▪ hurtful to Mens Persons and Estates ; unless it was sometimes that the Devils cured the Diseases they had caused , but it was still to establish a greater Tyranny . When the Jews taxed our Saviour with casting out Devils by Beelzebub , the Prince of the Devils ; he answers to this effect , That the Devil was too Wise a Creature to destroy his own Kingdom , by casting out Devils ; especially , when sometimes they were made to own themselves to be Devils , and to confess Christ to be the Son of God : But , says he , if I cast out Devils by the Spirit of God , then the Kingdom of God is come unto you . And this was frequent , in the Primitive Church , that the Christians , by a Divine Power , overruled all the Powers of Darkness , imployed by the Magicians of those times . For as to do Works above Nature , speaks a Power above her ; so , when those Works tend to the good of Men , by promoting Vertue , and establishing true Piety , they must reasonably be concluded to be from a Divine Author . Let this then be the first Step , or the Ground of all ; That whatsoever Doctrin , or pretended Revelation , destroys Justice , or contradicts Reason , cannot come from Heaven ; and ought not to be Believed . In the next place ; when once a Law is established as Divine , upon a sufficient Testimony of Miracles , no other Revelation that is contrary to it may be allowed , until it be repealed ; and no repeal can be , but from the same Authority that enacted it : And therefore the repeal cannot be of force , till the Authority upon which it stands makes it self manifest by as great , if not greater , Miracles than were wrought at the Promulgation . In this Point was the Prophets Miscarriage , that went to cry against the Altar in Bethel , who suffered himself to be overcome by the pretence of the old Prophet , contrary to his own Commission . But without pursuing this farther at present , it is manifest , and by all Christians acknowledged as such , That the Gospel , which our Saviour and his Apostles published to the World , is neither contradictious to Reason , nor destructive of Vertue , or good Manners , or inconsistent with former Revelations ; but that , on the contrary , it proposes the noblest End , viz. Eternal Life , and directs to the fittest and most agreeable Method for attaining it , and therefore must be accounted Divine . This being granted , it follows , That no Doctrin , or Revelation , which is not reconcilable to this Gospel , can be from Heaven , or have Power to bind us . If an Angel from Heaven preach any other Gospel , let him be accursed . Gal. 1. 8. My present Business being not with Heathens , but with Christians , I will take it for granted , till I see more occasion to prove it , That the Apostles and Evangelists , who were Divinely Inspired , committed to Writing that Gospel which they had received ; that is , * as much of the Will of God , as might be necessary for Men to Know and Believe , in order to their Salvation . † The late Representers of Popery seem to allow as much ; when they own the Scripture to be the Word of God , of the greatest Authority upon Earth , and capable of leading a Man to all Truth . It must also be granted , That these Scriptures are no otherwise the Word of God , than they are rightly Understood and Interpreted . And here the Controversie begins , about the Sense of Scripture . For the Gentlemen of the Communion of the Church of Rome tell us , we must receive the Canon of the Scripture , and the Sense and Interpretation of Scripture , upon the Authority of the Church ; for so the matter is stated even by their late Writers . And this being of great Importance , we will consider it Carefully , and proceed with as much Clearness , as may be a sufficient , though short , discussion of the Point . If we are to receive the Canon and Sense of the Scripture upon the Churches Authority , then the Churches Authority is the Ground upon which the Canon and Sense of Scripture depends as to us ; and if the Canon and Sense of Scripture depends as to us , upon the Church , then the Church has Authority to ingage and determine our Faith in these two Questions , 1. What Books are Canonical ; and , 2. What the Sense of them must be . For if I know not the Sense of them , I know not the Will of God ; without which it signifies nothing to have the Books , although they had been written with God's own Finger . And If the Church has Authority to declare what Books , and what Sense of those Books , is Divine ; then the Church has a Power to make me Believe its Declaration . I say , the Church must have a Power , if it has Authority , to make me Believe ; because no Man can Believe more than he can Believe , nor help Believing what for the time he does Believe . If the Church has a Power to make me Believe , it either has it of it self , as it were by Nature , or it has it from God : But , of it self , the Church can have no such Power ; because God only has a Dominion over the Minds of Men , and is therefore to be Believed by virtue of his own Authority . If therefore the Church , as it consists of Men , who in their private Capacities , ( that is , as they are Men may err ) has no Authority of it self to determine my Faith ; then the Authority of the Church , if it have any to make me Believe , must be Supernatural and Divine : Which , I think , is granted by the Author of the Papist Misrepresented and represented ; when he says , he believes no Divine Faith ought to be given to any thing but what is of Divine Revelation . 'T is then an established Point , That the Churches Authority is not to be believed as Natural , but as Supernatural and Divine ; and if it be Supernatural , it cannot be proved out of Natural Principles . This the Papists seeing very well , lay down Infallibility for the Ground of the Churches Authority : So that the Churches Authority arising from its Infallibity , no Man can be bound , in matters of Faith , to submit to the one , farther than he can be Convinced of the other ; and the Church can no longer have a Power over Mens Faith than she is Infallible . The Infallibility then of the Church , being the Ground of her Authority , the Papists expect we should resolve our Faith into it ; and we will consider how reasonable their expectations are in this Case . But , first , let us remember , That all this Authority and Infallability is challenged for the present Church of this Age ; or else there is no visible Infallible Judg , and so the matter comes to nothing : For if they were affixed to the Church of any one Age , then our Faith , when that Age is expired , must resolve it self some other way , as we shall see anon . This hint being given , we proceed in search of this Infallibility ; which is indeed a safe Basis to rest upon , whereever it is found . In the first place therefore , we must enquire what it is , or , what is to be understood by it . Infallibility , properly taken , is the knowledge of all things . He that does not know every thing , may be mistaken in some thing ; and he that may be mistaken in any thing , is not Infallible . To know all things , is to be Omniscient ; and so God alone , who created every thing , by virtue of his own Infinity , is absolutely Infallible : But , for created Beings , their Knowledge is confined to such things as the wise Creator has placed within their Capacities , and so made knowable as it were by Nature . Therefore in other things which are Supernatural , and of which we can know no more than is revealed to us , Infallibility means a being preserved from all Errour and Mistake about them ; and by Consequence must it self be a Supernatural and Divine quality , imparted according to the good Will and Pleasure of God. And now our Business is come to this , to know first , Whether any body , or no , has this Infallibility . Secondly , if any body has it , where he , or they , are to be found ? And thirdly , how others may be assured , that they , who pretend to have it , have it indeed . First , Whether any body has this Infallibility . I take it for granted , upon the foregoing Proofs , that it is a Divine Supernatural Gift ; and being such , that it must issue from the good Pleasure of God. Now any Gift whatsoever , which is Arbitrary , and Depending upon the Will of any one , cannot be pretended to in Reason , till he in whose Power it is , has made his Will known , that the Right and Possession of it pass over to him that Claims it . In like manner , no Divine Gift , which concerns more than them , who personally pretend to it , can have any weight or force without a Divine Testimony to ensure its own Credit . Upon this Point the Papists argue , That Christ , who was not less able or faithfull than Moses in his house , would not leave his Church destitute of sufficient means for Peace and Unity 't is granted ; But then , say they , without an Infallible Guide ( beside the Scripture ) there can be neither reason for Faith , nor ground for Peace among Christians . A bold Assumption this ! Nay farther , 't is said , That Christ has promised to teach his Church all Truth , by special Assistance of the Holy Ghost , to the end of the World. This indeed is to the Purpose ; but , that if any thing , it proves more than they wish : For it does as much prove all Christians to be Infallible as one , or more . For the Promise , being indefinite , cannot justly be appropriated to particulars ; and , if it contains perpetual Infallibility , let them that can shew , from that Promise , that the Pastors have more right to it than the People . But suppose now there is Infallibility in the Church , let us see whereabouts it is Lodged , that we may have recourse to it , to end the Disputes , which have so long disturbed the Peace of Christendom . For if it cannot be found , we shall hardly be made to grant that there is any such thing ; or , if it cannot be come at , we shall value it at the rate of all useless things . I ask therefore , Where this Infallibility is , that has been so much talked of ? Why , some have shewed their good will to fix it to the Popes of Rome : And one would at first think the Author , who represents a Papist , looked that way ; when he told us , he did not doubt but God assists them ( the Popes ) with a particular helping Grace , such as was given to all the Prophets , when they were sent to Preach , that was Extraordinary . Such as was given to Moses , when he was made a God to Pharaoh , that was Miraculous . Sure he forgot the Lives of some Popes ; or else , some late Pope has divided the Sea , or turned a River into Blood , and so filled him with Wonder , that he never thought to make any Reflexions . Lastly , with such Grace as was given to Caiaphas , when he prophesied that Jesus should dye for that Nation : A Truth which he utter'd without any good Design , as appears by his Sentence afterwards ; and this instance indeed might well fit Pope Greg. 7. Yet , after all this , we are told that it is our Choice , Whether we will allow the Pope to be personally Infallible , or no : And if they do not see reason enough to believe it , I am sure I do not ; and so the Pope's Claim must be dismissed as indefensible . But is a Council without him then Infallible ? If it be , what becomes of the Pope's Supremacy ? For whereever Infallibility goes , the Supremacy , touching matters of Faith , must go with it . And they cannot be separated , since , as we shewed above , the one has its whole dependance upon the other . This difficulty has been apprehended ; and so , to secure the Pope's Supremacy , a Council without him has been judged not Infallible : And where any Council has wanted the Pope's Confirmation , as we see for matter of fact , it has been thought to want Authority to . Though for all this , the Point of Supremacy , of how great importance soever , is not well agreed among them ; for Councils have taken upon them to depose the Pope , and the French Roman Catholick Divines allow them in it . The only expedient in this Case is , what some lay down , That a Council assembled by and under the Pope , whose Authority must confirm their Decrees , is Infallible . Being come to this , as the last effort , we will proceed with a regard due to a Tenet of such moment . And here I ask again , Whether every Bishop and Devine , that Debates and Votes in Council , be Infallible ? No ; this must not be said , because there have beeen great Differences among the Divines , and contrary Opinions much urged : Besides , it would make every Bishop as absolute as the Pope , to make him Infallible , which would quite undo the pretences of the Church of Rome . But then , if every Bishop in Council be not Infallible , for ought I can see , this Infallibility must be given to the Pope . And if his approbation be indeed necessary to Authorize their Decrees , he has e'en most right to it . For if the Authentickness of the Decrees depends upon the Pope , 't is plain , he must have a Negative vote to the Council ; and , if he has a Negative vote to the Council , either he must have this Infallibility , or there can be none at all of any use . But as to the Pope's being Infallible , we were told before , it is no Article of Faith ; and so we are at Liberty from them to believe it , or let it alone . Though , to say the Truth , if I had been told the contrary , the Errors which some Popes have fallen into , would have hindred me , in despite of any good will , from owning him so . Is this Infallibility shared among them , so that every one has some ? For Infallibility they must have , or their Authority is lost : No , this cannot be neither ; for Infallibility is a Quality that cannot be divided , or enjoyed to the halfs . And if it could , it would not do the business ; for then they would be Fallible in part , as well as Infallible in part . And so we should be as hard put to it , to find which part their Infallibility reaches to , as we are to find that they have any at all . Here peradventure , it may be thought , because it has been said heretofore , That though the Pope and his Council may be Fallible , in their Arguments and Discourses , yet , in the Result of them , viz. their Definitions which only concern the Church , they are Infallible . This indeed is to the purpose , if it could be as easily proved as said . But since neither Art nor Nature does allow an Infallible Conclusion to issue from Fallible Means , it must be wholly Supernatural and Divine . And so we are come , in the third place , to ask , How they came by a Power to make the Conclusion Divine , the Means being Humane ? or , How they will make it appear to me , or any Man else , that they are endued with such a Power ? Certainly a Claim so bold as this , ought to be very well made out . But here , alass ! we are turn'd over to Motives of Credibility , which are sometimes called the marks of the Church ; however , we will see what can be made of them . By Motives of Credibility , must be meant , such as may work upon my Reason , and so incline my Mind to believe , or assent to any thing for a Truth ; and so I can be induced to believe no farther than the point is made Credible to me . Well ; but whatever is Supernatural can never work upon my Reason , as being quite above it , without some Divine Evidence and Testimony ; and that must either be Miracles ▪ or Scripture . For Miracles , they have of late been little pretended to : But from Scripture , they tell us , Christ has promised to his Church a perpetual Assistance of his Grace ; yea , such a measure of the Spirit , as made Caiaphas prophesy Truth , almost whether he would or no. But how can they pretend Scripture in this Case ? who have told us , we must receive the Sense and Interpretation of Scripture from the Infallible Authority of the Church : And that not in a few Points , but in every Doubt ; and never presume upon our own private Sentiments , howsoever seemingly grounded on Reason and Scripture . If we must thus absolutely depend upon the Authority of the Church for the Interpretation of Scripture , then the Authority of the Church must be better known to us than the Sense of the Scripture : And if it be better known , it cannot be proved by Scripture ; for every thing that proves another must it self be more evident . And if the Churches Authority cannot be proved by Scripture , it can never be proved without Miracles ; and by consequence can never be believed . But if Christians must read and judg of Scripture , and believe it in this Point , I can see no reason why they may not in every one else that concerns Religion ; since there are few Points in it that are not much more cleary expressed . Here Traditions would put in to help out . But , to spoil all we are told , we must receive them too upon the Authority of the Church ; for it would be as dangerous to trust the World with a liberty of judging Traditions , as of judging Scripture , and more contests there are and would be about them . And yet , which is an insuperable Difficulty , Tradition is silent in many Points of the Romish Faith ; nay , in all , whereabout any Difference is , I mean , as to the Primitive Church ; and sure Tradition cannot be produced where there is none . If Tradition could be produced , still the Difficulty returns : That Tradition would be more manifest , and therefore above the Churches Authority . And how acceptable a Point that is at Rome , Mr. White and Mr. Serjeant could have told at their own Cost . But though Scripture and Tradition are insufficient , perhaps Succession may make out this Matter ; or else , why are we so often told of it ? and truly , I must needs say , I do not know why we are . For , if they mean a Succession of Bishops , that can prove nothing to Rome , because it is common to other Churches , who have as undoubted a Succession as they . If they mean a Succession of Doctrin , from the Apostles to us , 't is what we allow ; and , for want of it , refuse those other Doctrins they would impose . There is behind a very forcible Argument , to prove , That the Pope and his Council together are not Infallible , or , that the Papists themselves do not think them so . I Instance , in the Lateran Council , under Pope Innocent the III. where it was decreed , that Princes may be Deposed . He that Represents a Papist , answers , That this is no Article of Faith , and that they are not bound to believe it . But if this be not to be believed , it is because the Truth of it is not evident enough ; and if it be not evident enough , it must be because the Churches proposing or decreeing is not sufficient to make it evident , which is the Point I aim at . If he will , as some have , acknowledge the deposing Doctrin to be true ; let the World consider what kind of Subjects those must be that are in such a Communion ; and if he disavows it ; he makes it appear that he does not think their Church Infallible . Nor can I think that Church has sufficiently cleared it self from the Charge of this Doctrin , which some of them call a Calumny , till it be as Publickly and Authoritatively Repealed , as it was Decreed . Nor can I imagine , how that Author could tell us , in the fourteenth Chapter of his Book , that he thought himself obliged not to rely on his own private Judgment , but upon the Authority of the Church , in any Doubt ; and yet , in the twentieth Chapter of the same Book , tells us , in Consequence , what the Church has peremptorily Decreed , is not to be believed . I am sorry , when that Decree passed , such a powerfull Measure of the Spirit , which made Caiaphas Prophesie , was absent . And since it was so then , I do not see how they can reasonably presume he was not absent in other Points too . Damnation being so particularly denounced against Rebellion , we cannot think that a Point so inconsiderable as to be passed by in advertency . It now plainly appears , that this Challenge of Infallibility is very unaccountable ; and , to shew its absurdity yet more , you shall see , that though we should grant ( as we do not ) that they have Infallibility some where , yet , in the resolution of Faith , it would be useless . The Church at this day is vexed and divided by many Heresies , and contrary Opinions . How must the Truth be cleared , and Peace be restored to Christendom ? By the Churches Authority , say the Papists . But it has been proved that the Churches Authority extends no farther than she has Infallibility ; and the Pope being not Infallible alone , and their being no Council assembled under him , the present Church has no Infallibility , and so , by Consequence , no Authority to determine Controversies about Faith. Peradventure it will be said , the Council which sat in the last Age defined all Points , and so determined our Faith. I answer , That what that Council defined is one thing ; and its setling Faith , and determining Controversies , appears by the effect to be another . It will be said , it determined all but what Pride and Obstinacy still kept on foot . But if Controversies still remain , whether from Pride or Heretical-pravity , or from any other Cause whatever , it matters not : Why should the Scripture be taxed as insufficient to be a Rule of Faith , for not effecting what their Infallibility cannot bring to pass ? Sure , there is no reason why it should . Well , but for obstinate and prejudiced Persons , we will set them aside ; and see what can be done for inquisitive People , such as are Willing to be Convinced ; what shall these do ? They tell us , They must be guided by the Definitions and Decrees of the last General Council assembled at Trent . But how shall they be ascertained that they have a true Copy of the Acts of that Council ? For upon occasion Suppositious Canons have been alledged by the Church of Rome . The Authority of the present Church cannot do it , as you may conclude from that which has already been said ; besides , it is the thing in Question . However , suppose from the Testimony of the present Church witnessing , though not authorising , and by such Methods as we receive the Works of other Writers , we should admit the Acts of the Council of Trent to be truly derived to us ; What shall we do to attain the true Sense and Meaning of them , without which they can signifie nothing ? And to shew you that this is no Captious Question , some great Men among them have interpreted that Councils Decrees very differently . And the late Representer of a Papist has construed them in a Sense very wide , from what some eminent Doctors long since gave of them . Are we not now in a fair way for Peace and Unity ? After all , if so many Difficulties surround the Learned , what shall Women do , and such as only understand their Mother Tongue ? I can meet with no Answer to this , but that the Learned must with honest Minds , and just Diligence , search out the Sense of the Churches Definitions ; and from them , must those of less Judgment and meaner Capacities , receive it . But if the matter must rest here , for my Life , I cannot see why the like Care and Pains should not bring a Man to the true Sense of the Scripture , as well as of a Council . 'T would be an ill Reflection upon God's Wisdom to say , he ordered his Will to be written , but not so intelligible as human Writings . And if there be some , who for want of Ability in themselves , must rest their Faith upon other Mens Judgments , I do not see why the Clergy of the Church of England may not as well be relied on , as the Priests of the Church of Rome ; since the World has no reason to think them less Learned , or less Sincere . The Church of England , among all impartial Men , has this manifest advantage , that She derives Her Faith from Scripture ; not fancifully Interpreted , but Expounded to a Sense which the Text reasonably leads to . And to strengthen Her Exposition , She takes in the Testimony of the Church in Her four first General Councils : Not that She rests upon an Authority in them , but She takes them as Witnesses to shew , that in Her Interpretation , She is neither Singular nor Private . Thus , in short , a Member of the Church of England proceeds . He is certain his Faith is right and true , because it is founded , as to its Object , upon the Will of God. He is certain it stands upon the Will of God , because it stands upon the Word of God. He is certain it is built upon the Word of God , because it is built upon the Scripture . He is certain the Scripture is the Word of God , because the Prophets , Evangelists and Apostles , that wrote it , were Divinely Inspired . And he is made certain that they were Divinely Inspired , by the Divine Testimony of Miracles which God gave them . Nor , lastly , can he doubt , but whatsoever God sets his Seal to , is Truth ; for he will not , he cannot Lye or Deceive . If he be asked , how he knows these Books to be Written by those Inspired Men , to whom they are attributed ? He Answers , for that , he has an universal Testimony of Friends and Enemies through all Ages : Which is as good an Evidence as a Matter of Fact can bear , or does require ; and , when he reads them , he is farther Confirm'd , by finding them so admirably Compiled and Suited to that Character . If he be asked , how he attains the right Sense of them ? He answers , by using due Attention , and an unprejudiced Mind , with such other helps as are fit for that Purpose ; he gains as great Certainty of the true meaning of Scripture , as Sense and Reason can bear in an ordinary Capacity , ( I mean , as far as concerns the Articles of Faith summ'd into his Creed ; ) and is as safe , in this Resolution , as was the Primitive Church , with which he agrees . More than this , he does not apprehend necessary . After this , since the Papists have taxed our Faith as wavering and uncertain , how unjustly , you may easily discern , I might here make them a Requital ; by telling the World , that upon their own Principles , they can have no Faith at all . For if what Faith they have arises from the Churches Authority , then , if the Church has no Authority , they can have no Faith. But , I have proved before , the Church can have no such Authority , because it has not Infallibility ; and it cannot reasonably pretend to Infallibility , because it can make no Evidence of it , and without Evidence no Man can believe . But God forbid I should say , or think , they have no Faith : I only offered this , to shew the weakness and insufficiency of the Principles they go upon , and what little Reason they have to charge us . And now to that Question so often asked , By what Authority we depart from the Faith of the Church of Rome ? I answer , by an Authority which is inseparable from the Mind of every Man , to refuse to believe any thing for which he has not a Reason to him sufcient ; indeed , no Man can believe without it . For the Mind of Man is so disposed , as to Truth , that it immediately imbraces it , and closes with it as soon as ever it discerns it : But if the Mind discerns no Truth in a Proposition , it cannot assent to it , whatever Profession the Man makes . The Church of Rome has not sufficiently proved the Doctrins in dispute betwixt us ; and that , if we had no more , would be Authority enough for us to refuse them , and depart from her ; since She will not receive us to Communion , but upon Conditions which they cannot make out to be reasonable , unless we grant that false Supposition of Infallible Authority . They ask farther , who is to be Judg of the Controversies and Reasonings between us ? I answer , every Man must for himself : For as every Man must believe , so every Man must have a Reason why he believes ; and sure every one must be a Judg of his own Reason whether he be Convinced or no. We are told , That then there will be Heresies and Schisms ; it is true there are so , and , for ought I see , will be so still : But that 's no more than the Apostle told the Corinthians must be , that those which are approved may be made manifest . The Church of Rome may appear yet more unequal in Her Pretences ; for that She advances a Doctrin which cannot be believed , even by those who pay the utmost deference to her Authority , and that is Transubstantiation , which implies several Contradictions . Some , that own the Churches Infallible Authority , and are resolved to rest upon it , may so overrule their Minds as to keep them from considering or thinking upon that Doctrin , and so for the time do not as it were disbelieve it ; but , whenever they come to weigh it , their Minds cannot imbrace it , because there can be no Reason for a Contradiction : For sure Church Authority cannot go on where the Power of God ceases . If it be said , it is only a Contradiction in appearance , that comes to the same thing ; for 'till it can be made not to seem a Contradiction ▪ it must have the same effect upon all Mens Minds , as upon ours , who know it to be really a gross one . And this makes me sensible , That it is a greater absurdity to believe , as they say , implicitly or indefinitly as the Church believes , when a Man considers not what that is , than to Pray implicitly , or in a general intention with the Church , when one knows not what the Church Prays for . It being absurd to say , a Man believes any thing which the Mind does not particularly imbrace , or apply it self to ; and the Mind cannot be said to imbrace that which it thinks or knows nothing of . Here it must not be forgotten , that I am not speaking of the Habit , but the Acts of Faith. Nor do the Principles I have laid down oblige me to think , every one has alwas a true ground for his Faith. I doubt not , but many believe upon inducements , that would , if examined , be found Slender and Disproportionate : for such it is their good fortune if they believe aright , but if they are in the wrong , they must answer for not taking greater Care. But if they have used their utmost Care and Diligence , and yet continue in the wrong , we may leave them without any desperate apprehension to the mercy of God. Most of the Points about which we differ with Rome have been discussed in particular Treatises , and so I will meddle little with them , having from the first designed in chief to consider the grounds of Faith. I would here have taken leave , but that I am stayed with a Pretence , That the Faith which we own , we had from the Church of Rome . * I will not here inquire into the merits of this Pretence , but examin what use they make of it . Suppose now we had the Scripture , and the Creeds from them , what follows ? Why , then they would have us receive all the rest of their Additional Articles too . Indeed , if we had received all we believe upon their Churches Authority it had been a better inference . But they know , we did not receive any Articles upon any Authority but the Reason of them ; and therefore where that ends our Faith stops , and we receive no more . They would it seems prescribe ; and , supposing we imbrace some Truths which they pretend to have delivered to us , would have us entertain whatever else they offer . This is very strange indeed ! If any one hearing the Devils declaring Jesus Christ to be the Son of God , as the Gospel tells us they did , should have believed him so ; and † Tertullian we know made it a great Argument , and appealed to the Heathens upon it , when the Devils made Confession ; must they therefore have believed all the Devils said at any time , because they saw reason to believe what they said some times : 'T would have been a strange Case with Religion , unless Men had been assured the Devil's inclinations to deceive should have always been overruled ; and they , like Caiaphas , should have been made to speak Truth whether they would or no. In like manner , to have received some Truths from the Church of Rome , can be no reason why we should believe others . Thus far I have considered the Grounds of Faith , and shewed the Weakness and Insufficiency of those Means which the Church of Rome takes to resolve it by . I pray God , by his Grace , so to inlighten the Understandings , and dispose the Wills of all Christians , that they may heartily endeavor the Peace and Unity of the Church , by an humble and impartial Enquiry after Truth , the only Way effectually to bring it about . Popery has of late been Expounded to a more favourable Sense , and Represented in a less formidable Dress , than it wore heretofore : And so far am I from being angry at it , that I am heartily glad ; hoping it may tend to the Scattering those thick Mists of Prejudice and Ignorance that have obscured the Truth , and hindred many from discerning it . I only wish they would manifest the Sincerity of their Representation by a Practice answerable to it . They took away the Scriptures from some , least in reading they should misinterpret it : And I wish they would take away Images , which have been horribly misunderstood ; since they now tell the World they think them but as Books to instruct the Ignorant , and honorary Remembrances to the Learned . This would be one reasonable and fair Step toward restoring Peace , and healing the Schism . And since we are told , that no Power upon Earth can limit , alter , or annul , any Precept of Divine Institution , contrary to the Intention of the Law-giver , ( a Position highly reasonable ) we expect the Cup should be given to all of the Communion ; seeing that our Saviour instituted and gave that as well as the Bread. And after his Institution , the same Night that he was betrayed , I cannot find that he made the least Alteration . To say our Saviour had no Mind that should be done which he appointed , would be very absurd : Therefore what he once instituted , must continue in force as his Mind still , unless they can shew that he altered it ; and this would be another good Step toward our Union . They have now reduced their praying to Saints departed , to a desire only that the Blessed would assist them with their Prayers to God , as we desire good Men on Earth to pray for us ; but this not implying any Necessity of praying to them , though for no more than to pray for us , 't is great pity they will not lay down a Practice to which our Apprehensions will never suffer us to be Reconciled . One would think they that aggravate the Sin of Schism so much , should remove all Obstacles that may be a hindrance of Union : The Order and Decency of God's Service would be no way disturbed by such abatements . And let them look to it , that divide the Church upon Points by their own confession not necessary ; and no otherways to be accounted for , but upon the pretended Authority of the Church . But this is to enter into particulars , which I resolved to decline , having undertaken only to examin that Pretence : And so I will wind up all in a short Advertisement , That when I dispute against the Authority of the Church , I do not mean that Power which every Church , as an Incorporate Society , must have to cast out of her Communion such as walk Disorderly ; nor that Power therefore which every Church must have over Her Members to establish Rules for Decency and Order , in the Circumstantials , the Ceremonies of Religion : But , I mean , that Authority which the Church of Rome pretends to have over our Consciences and Faith ; in which Case we own no Master but one in Heaven . Cui Tri-uni-Deo sit honor , laus & gloria , in secula seculorum . Amen . FINIS . ADVERTISEMENT . BEcause the Author could not attend the Press , to correct the Errors of it , he prays the Reader to excuse the Faults he may find that are Literal , and such as are in the Pointing ; and read Page 4. Line 25. instances , p. 12. l. ult . but at the rate of , p. 13. l. 20. it is in our Choice , p. 19. l. 20. Supposititious . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A66427-e110 Sect. 40. pag. 38. Printed at Oxford . Notes for div A66427-e260 1 Cor. 2. 11. a Joh. 5. 31. b Joh. 14. 11 ▪ * Post . monstra tot perdon●ta , post Phlegram impio Sparsam cruore , postque defensos Deos , nondum liquet de Patre ? Sen. Her. Fur. Act. 2. Sc. 3. Mark 16. 20. Deut. 13. 1 , 2. Origen . cont . Cels . lib. 2. pag. 91. Ed. Cant. Matt. 12. 24. Ibid. vers . 28. Euseb . Eccl. Hist . l. 7. cap. 13. & alibi . 1 King. 13. 18. * Cum sit perfectus Scripturarum Canon , sibique ad omnia s●tis superque sufficiat , &c. Vinc. Lirin : Com. adv . Haer. cap. 2. † Papist Misrepr . and repr . cap. 13. Mons . de Meaux Expos . of the Doctr. of the Cath. Sect. 19. Cap. 15. of Tradition . Pap. Misrepr . and repr . cap. 16. pag. 19. De non apparentibus & non existentibus eadem est ratio . Cap. 18. p. 21. Pap. Misrepr . and repr . cap. 18. pag. 22. Vide Not. Bever . in Conc. Nic. en . secund . Chron. Vrsper . An. Dom. 793. Vide quid Chron. Vrsper . ex Brunone Card. de Greg. 7. ad An. Dom. 1080. Pap. Misrepr . and repr . cap. 14. pag 15. Vide Histor . Haeres . Blaclo . Pap. Misrepr . and repr . cap. 20. Duplici modo munire fidem fidem nostram debemus Primo scil . divinae Legis Authoritate tum deinde Eccles . Catholicae Traditione . Vinc. Lirin . Com. adv . Haer. Cap. 1. 1 Cor. 11. 19. * They that desire an account of our Church primitively , let them read the Learned Origins Britanicae . † Edatur hic aliquis sub Tribunalibus vestris , quem Daemone agi constet , jussus à quolibet Christiano loqui Spiritus ille impurus , tam se Daemonem confitebitur de vero quam alibi . Deum de falso . Apolog. Cap. 23.