The vain insolency of Rome, challenging salvation to her own faction discovered in two letters : the first whereof was written by a priest of the Church of Rome to a gentlewoman of York, that had got out of the snares of the popish superstition : the second sent by the same gentlewoman (instructed by a divine of the Church of England) in answer thereunto. Priest of the Church of Rome. 1673 Approx. 30 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 20 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2008-09 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A64791 Wing V18 ESTC R5313 12634930 ocm 12634930 64850 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . 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Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng Catholic Church -- Controversial literature. 2007-01 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2007-01 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2007-02 Jonathan Blaney Sampled and proofread 2007-02 Jonathan Blaney Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion THE VAIN INSOLENCY OF ROME , Challenging SALVATION to her own FACTION ; Discovered in Two LETTERS . The first whereof was written by a Priest of the Church of Rome to a Gentlewoman of York , that had got out of the Snares of the Popish Superstition . The second sent by the same Gentlewoman ( instructed by a Divine of the Church of England ) in answer thereunto . The truth endureth , and is always strong ; it liveth and conquereth for evermore . 1 Esdras 4. 38. LONDON , Printed for Richard Royston , Bookseller to the Kings most Excellent Majesty . 1673. TO THE READER . REader , by the Letter of the Romish Priest , which immediately here followeth , thou wilt easily perceive , with what craft , and artifice , the Romish Hucksters endeavour to seduce the people of our Church of England , and generally all of the Reformation , to the Communion of Rome . They tell them , that they are out of St. Peters Fold , and therefore , of necessity , in a state of damnation . The first greatness of Rome was founded in the eminency of the City , and the concessions and indulgence of some of the Emperors . But the subtile Popes , perceiving , that what former Emperors granted , others , in succeeding times , might revoke , perverted that Text Mat. 16. 18. Tu es Petrus , &c. Thou art Peter , and upon this Rock , &c. to the founding of a spiritual Monarchy , and the claim of both Swords , Temporal , as well as Spiritual ; or , at least the Temporal in order to the Spiritual . And all Jesuited Papists ( neither see I how any of them that submit to the third Lateran Council , can be otherwise minded ) hold that Princes excommunicated may be rejected by their own Subjects . What good effects this New-Gospel doctrine wrought in the World , may appear in the instances of the murther of those two noble Kings , Henry the Third , and Henry the Fourth of France , and in that design of the Fifth of November amongst our selves here in England . 'T is strange that all Princes in the World are not alarm'd , as learned , and perspicacious King James of blessed memory was , with these doctrines . For whatsoever Allegiance the Romanists pretend to , yet it is evident , that an instance may fall out , wherein they will be forced to renownce their obedience , either to their Pope , or King. Take heed therefore , if thou art disengaged from this seduction , of coming near to such snares ; and if thou art ( as alas too many of late amongst us have been ) caught in them , break them with all speed . That fearful instance of the Learned Latomus ( of which thou wilt read in the Gentlewomans answer to the Priest's Letter , here annexed , will declare , that the greatest sticklers for Rome's interest , when they shall most need it , will find little peace . For that may be said of this spiritual , which Solomon spake of the carnal Harlot , Prov. 7. 26 , 27 She hath cast down many wounded : yea many strong men have been slain by her . Her house is the way to Hell , going down to the chambers of Death . IMPRIMATUR Tho. Tomkyns . Ex Aed . Lamb. Martii 6. 1672. The Priests Letter . Madam , SInce my departure from you , I have not forgot your engaging Charity ; what regret may , I well have , that contrary to your promise in the long Gallery , you have forgot your Soul , so pretious to God! Madam , return home . I labour to get your dear Son Pic. to return home . You may come home again ; no loss , Madam , like the loss of a Soul , I should be glad to suffer death , that you would accept of life . Some years past , I was in hopes the charitable Boxes of * Lozanges you did send me , would bring you in again to St. Peter's Fold , out of which no Salvation . Sweet Jesus and his unspotted Mother grant you grace to do well by St. Francis Xaverius his intercession . Cordially wished by , Madam , Your engaged well wishing Friend and Servant . The Gentlewomans Answer . Sir , I Received your Letter , and , though I cannot despise the zeal of your Charity , yet ( I thank God ) that , through his goodness , I can now discern the errour of it . I wish ( and truly , I account my self bound thereunto , in requital of the care which you profess for my Soul ) that you were your self in as good a way for Salvation , in respect of your communion with the Church of Rome , as I am , upon the account of my return to my dear Mother , the Church of England . Since I saw you , I have a little better considered the Articles of our Church , and in them I perceive nothing commended to my Faith , but what is either expresly conteined in the Holy Scriptures , or deducible , by very good consequence , from them . But I am very well assured by those , that know it , that in some Councils lately held by your Church , and particularly that of Trent , there are divers Canons ( to which you will expect my consent ) neither agreeable to the Holy Scriptures , nor consonant to the purer ages of the Church , and yet your Pope Pius the Fourth , curseth all that are not of that Faith , and excludeth all from Salvation , that believe not according to the Tenour of them . Bishop Morton was a Learned man , and he took pains to examine the grounds of the peremptory decree of that Pope ; the Book wherein he did it , is called the Grand Imposture of the now Church of Rome . I pray peruse it heedfully and candidly , and submit to the truths conteined therein . As for my promise in the Long Gallery , whereof you re-mind me , I confess my errour in making it ; and I am told that it being unlawful in the matter ( I mean to adhere to your corrupt Church ) my sin of rash engagement would be heightned by performance , whereas it is so far from being any , to break it , that 't is my obligation so to do . David rashly swore to destroy all the Males in Nabals Family , but , by the good counsel of Abigail , rather broke his oath , than proceeded to add murder to his passion . And truly , Sir , though you may think it presumption in me , to give advice to a person of your calling and gravity ; yet when I consider that David , a great Prophet , and a King then anointed , despised not the good counsel of a woman , but said with all meekness , Blessed be thy advise , and blessed be thou . ( 1 Sam. 25. 33. ) I shall not repent that I prompt these intimations unto you , but rather earnestly , yet humbly request you , ay , and adjure you in the fear of God , to break your engagement to that pestilent Society , to which , perhaps you are as solemnly under the bond of an Oath , ( for that was , I hear , Pope Pius his injunction to the Clergy , to embrace the Trent Faith ) engaged , as David was to avenge himself . St. Augustine ( I have heard ) was entangled in the heresies of the Manichees , , and we are taught in the sacred History , that St. Paul once persecuted the faith of Christ . Both these came , by Gods mercy , to the sight of their foul errours , and at last defended the Faith , which they had opposed . Some of your present perswasion , and in the same degree of Office , have seen their Snares , and got ( through the goodness of God ) their feet out of them ; and publickly given the account of their change ; I refer you to their Books , better known possibly ( and I wish accordingly considered ) to your self than me . I cannot urge you upon more weighty terms , than you are pleased to prompt unto me , the due remembrance of the worth of your immortal Soul. Sir , I desire to emulate your own Charity to my self , and say in your behalf , as you say in mine , I should be glad to suffer death , that you would accept of life . No loss you say ( and you say truly in it , for you speak in conformity to the language of Christ himself , What shall it profit a man , if he should gain the whole World and lose his own Soul ? ) like the loss of a Soul. Precious it is to God , and should it be vile to our selves , to whom the damage will be only prejudicial ? God the Father sent his Son to redeem it , God the Son shed his blood to ransom it , and the Holy Spirit is plased to seal it with his signature , as the peculiar treasure of God. Now then , I beseech you , Sir 〈◊〉 weigh with your self the dange●… you expose this precious Soul of yours unto , and not your own only , but the Souls also of as many , as you win to your own errour , whilst you tell them , as you do me , that Salvation is not to be had out of St. Peter 's Fold , meaning thereby , the present Church of Rome ; in which ( to speak my mind freely to you ) I think that Salvation can very scarcely , if at all , be procured by those of it , that dye in the constant defence of the pernicious errours maintained generally by all that adhere unto it . To speak nothing of the manifold , and gross deviations of your Church from both Sacred Scripture , and primitive antiquity ; as half-Communion , the absurd doctrine of Transubstantiation , Purgatory , Divine Service in a tongue not known to the people , that should perform it , &c. I say to speak nothing of these , what strange ●xpressions fall from your own Pen in the little Note , which you sent me ; Sweet Jesus , and his unspotted Mother , grant you grace to do well , by St. Francis Xaverius his Intercession ? Had you commended me to the grace of Christ alone , you had done it with good warranty from St. Peter , in whom you boast . Thus speaketh he , Epist . I. 5. 10. The God of all grace , &c. make you perfect , stablish , strengthen , settle you . Christ with the Father and the blessed Spirit are one God you know ; from any of the blessed Persons , we may ask Grace , and wish it for others , securely . But to crave it from Creatures ( such is the Blessed Virgin , though never so glorious ) is very dangerous , if not blasphemous . If I be not mistaken , Divines make it an argument of the Divinity of the second , and third Persons in the Holy Trinity , that in the Scripture stile , Grace is wished from them , in conjunction with the first . Thus the rest of the Apostles salute , and thus they frequently take their leave of the Churches to which they write . * No mention in these forms of the Blessed Virgin , she is never joined to the Holy Trinity in such prayers for Grace ; and indeed if God ( as St. Peter speaks ) be the Author of all Grace , what Grace need we ask of the Blessed Virgin ? And then again , I am a little startled at these words , unspotted Mother , if you mean no more by it , than that the Blessed Virgin since her death is discharged from all sin , and defilement incident ( through the fall of our first Parents ) or rather unavoidable to our humane Nature , I can easily admit the term unspotted ; but if by the word unspotted , you insinuate our Ladies immaculate conception , I expect better reasons , than ever yet I have heard alledged , before I can sign such an Article with my faith . I am told , that Saint Anselm saith , that the Mother of our Lord was conceived in sin , and why we should not believe him , speaking so agreeably to the language of the Holy Spirit , which exempts none , but our Lord himself , from the common Contagion , I see no reason . What were the Vertues of your Saint Francis Xaverius ( to whose intercession also you think fit to commend me ) to me is uncertain ; but this I am most sure of , that the intercession of our Blessed Saviour with his Father , is sufficient for me ; that he hath commanded all , that labour , and are heavy laden , to come unto him . Mat. 11. 28. and that such as do come unto him , he will in no wise cast out , John 6. 37. I confess , when I made my application to you , I was in great trouble ; and for my sudden ease , was ready to flie unto any profession , that would offer me present relief . Alas , you know , people falling from an high place , catch at any thing within their reach ; if sharp Swords , or red hot Irons were in their way , they would lay hold on them . It was ( I now perceive ) no small stupidity , and blindness in me , that I did not so fully , as I should have done , consider the excellent constitution , and pure doctrine of our Church of England . For therein I now see all the comforts , that can be imagined requisite unto distressed Souls , are abundantly offered unto me . I have the Scriptures accurately translated ; I have the sense of my dear Mother , in exact conformity to them , laid before me in our 39 Articles ; I may have access unto my Confessor , in all cases of my perplexities , and I find such of our Priests , to whom I have made my applications , compassionate , grave , and faithful unto me . But they tell me ( and I am very well pleased to hear it from them ) that I must not be discouraged , though I find not that present ease that I long for . Upon my profession of repentance , and faith in Christ , they are ready to dispense unto me the benefit , and blessing of their absolution , but if I find not presently that transport of rejoycing , which ( it may be ) I too hastily catch at ; they advise me , not to be too much discouraged , but to wait the Lords leisure ; who will have us , even after he hath received us to pardon , sometimes by experience find the truth of that speech in the Holy Prophet Jerem. 2. 19. It is an evil and bitter thing that thou hast forsaken the Lord thy God and that my fear is not in thee , saith the Lord God of Hosts . They support me with this assurance , that if I repent , and believe the Gospel , I shall certainly be saved , and if any offer me Consolation upon other terms , they do but delude me . Whatsoever my discouragements are , they exhort me to patience , and the doctrine is the more satisfactory unto me , because I see it to be agreeable to that meek resolution of the Church in the holy Prophet Mic. 7. 9. Where , in her affliction , I see her pitching upon this conclusion , and saying , I will bear the indignation of the Lord , because I have sinned against him . I am not at all affrighted at your denial of Salvation to all out of Saint Peter 's Fold ; I am sure that all penitent Believers are of the Fold of Christ , in which , except St. Peter himself had been a Sheep , as well as a Pastour under the great Shepherd , he had undoubtedly perished . He preached as well , and as good doctrine at other places as he did at Rome ; and the rest of the Holy Apostles , wheresoever they preached , delivered the same truths , that he did , to the Church of Christ . If Rome in succeeding times ( by being the seat of the Emperours ) became a more eminent City than her Sisters , and the Bishops of it obtained any extraordinary priviledges by their favours ; all these things are extrinsecal to the substance of the Christian Faith ; which , when Rome ceased to deliver in that purity wherein St. Peter taught it , she can with no better pretensions lay claim to Saint Peter , than the Jews of old did to Moses . Whom Christ tells ( notwithstanding all their boasting in him ) that they did not believe his writings . And truly I think the same might now be said in several instances , to those of Rome , in reference to St. Peter , of whom she glorieth . Had they believed St. Peters writings , they would never condemn those Churches , as Heretical , which in no point deny them . I do not , Sir , profess my self able to contest with one of your profession , neither have I , to provoke you to disputation , written so large an answer to your few lines . But Saint Peter , to whose Fold you invite me , and in whose Fold ( not excluding the rest of his Fellow-Apostles , for the names of all the Twelve were written in the twelve foundations of the Holy Jerusalem , Apocal. 21. 14. ) because we adhere to his doctrine , we believe that we of the Church of England now live , giveth me warrant to speak what I here declare , when he thus exhorteth us 1 Epist . Chap. 3. Vers . 15. Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you , with meekness and fear . In that meekness and fear , thus commended unto us by ours , as well as your Saint Peter , nay more ours than yours , nay ( give me leave to say it ) ours , and not yours , in our matters of difference , I humbly give you this Answer , and rest , Sir , Novemb. 27. 1672. Your assured Friend , and humble Servant in Christ . Postscript . Sir , BEcause you tell me , in effect , that I must be damned , if I should die out of the Communion of your Church , give me leave ( in regard , that I am not so well able to argue rationally , as to observe Historical passages , which sometimes are Commentaries upon disputable truths ) to acquaint you with a short History , which I minded , when I heard it , the more heedfully , because it discharged me from that fear , which your Severity is apt to beget in the minds of unsettled Protestants . 'T is this ; and you will find it , as my Friend , who translated it out of Latin for me , assureth me , in the third part of Solomon Glassius his exposition of the Gospels , page 277 , and 278. Jacobus Latomus was in exceeding great reputation amongst the Divines of our time , because he had written against the Lutherans somewhat more learnedly , than either Clitopheus , or Eckius , or Roffensis ; and all thought him a person of candour , and that he had written according to the conviction of his own conscience . This Person , when he drew near his death , commanded our Masters to be called , and as they stood by him , with groans and deeep-fetcht sighs , said ; I therefore commanded you to be called , that I might testifie unto you , that the doctrine of Luther , which you furiously persecute , is the true doctrine of Christ , the Apostles , and the Church , and this , which you defend is impious , and diabolical ; and I my self , for certain writings of mine , which I have lately , against the conviction of my conscience and knowledge , set forth against the Lutherans , to gratifie you , am a damned man. When in horrour and astonishment at this speech , they looked one on another , and those that were more ingenuous , exhorted him , not to dispair of the mercy of God , although he were perswaded , that he had done wickedly ; He , commemorating many passages concerning the punishments and exile of godly men , who by his instigation were either slain or banished , at last , with groanings , added ; in vain you labour to comfort me , for I certainly know , that I am damned , and with these words gave up the Ghost . Glassius affirmeth that he received this History out of D. Alesius in his Exposition of the 41 Psalm . And truly , Sir , though you may perhaps condemn it , as a Fable , yet for my part , I am so far from distrusting the truth of it , that I wonder , that many of your best Scholars do not leave this World in the same convictions ; and indeed , it is very probable , that they do , and some times declare as much . But such confessions are like the Guard of Souldiers Narratives of our Saviours Resurrection , they are strangled ( as the Male-children were commanded to be in Egypt ) as soon as they are born , if not by bribery , yet by interest , which knows no ingenuity , nor will admit of any discoveries , against its own concerns , though never so pernicious . I wish you a better temper , and in that hearty desire , commend you to the God of truth , assuring you , that I will never be ( by Gods assistance ) moved from the profession of that holy Religion , wherein now I stand , though I shall ever be ready to testifie my thanks to you , for your charitable affections , and remain Yours , in all Christian affection and service . Sir , AFter my Letter was written , but before it was sealed , I considered a little , what your Saint Francis Xaverius his merits might be , unto whose Patronage you are pleased to commend me . I am informed , that he is a Saint of a late Canonization ; first a Proselyte of , and then a Confederate with Ignatius de Loyola ; and truly , I think , not far from some of his Enthusiastical raptures . He , with Ignatius , indeed got Pope Paul the thirds approbation to be allowed with some others , as a Religious Society , in the year 1540. But there is an expression in that Popes Letters * ( of Grant ) which may beget a jealousie , that the Pope had an eye to the service he might have from them , as well as to the devotion of the men , if at least he thought them devout . His words I hear , run thus . We have lately heard , that Ignatius de Loyola , and Peter Faber , and Francis Xaverius , &c. inspired ( as 't is piously believed ) with the Holy Ghost , coming from several quarters of the World , met together , and being confederate into a Society , have renounced the snares of this World , and for ever devoted their lives to the service of our Lord Jesus Christ , and of us , and of our successours , the Bishops of Rome , &c. I suppose the Pope might have so much of humane frailty in him , as to take all in good part , that such sworn Servants of his should enterprise . Upon these grounds I believe the following Popes , Gregory the fifteenth , and his successor Vrbanus the eighth , had such high estimation of this Francis ; insomuch that the one declared him a Saint , and the other Canonized him . I am told , that he had so behaved himself in preaching to the Indians , that he is called their Apostle . But truly , to speak my mind freely to you , his atchievements there , seem to me very difficult to be believed . I doubt , whether all the miracles of Christ , and his Apostles recorded in the Scripture may be equal to those mentioned in Vrban's Letters for the Canonization of your Xaverius . 'T is said in them that he defixed his eyes , in his exstatick raptures , on the Heavens ; that his whole body , by divine force , would be elevated from the earth , and his face so inflamed , that it would represent Angelical clarity ; and he would cry out , it is enough Lord , it is enough . And , when he said Mass ( the abomination , as 't is now celebrated , of your Romish Service , as the Learned Doctor Brevint excellently shews us ) he would be so alienated from his senses ( which indeed I believe ) that the Ministers present in the service could not , in some competent time , by pulling his Garments , excite him to his attendance on the Work he had ▪ in hand . And otherwise , the people could observe him advanced ( wondring at the miracle ) a Cubit above the earth . He wore such tattered Rags ( and is this a piece of merit ? ) that the Boys sometimes would mock , and deride him . Of the like nature is his frequent walkings on the hot Sands , and on Thorns themselves , drinking the polluted waters , with which he had washed the soars of diseased people . And then , his ability to speak the Languages , which he never learnt , and to be understood , some times , by men of several tongues , when he spake one , that was strange to the Auditours , till he began to preach , is as much , if not more , than what was granted to the blessed Apostles at the Feast of Penticost . 'T is strange to me , that he should cast a Crucifix into the Sea , to still the Waves , and stranger yet , that having lost it by violence of the storm , it should be brought to him , as he walked on the Shore , in the mouth of a Sea-Crab . I marvel ( though you read this , and much more as Romantick in the Popes Letters ) that you can credit all this done by a person , about an hundred years since ; especially seeing the Learned Fathers about four hundred years after Christ , judged the age of miracles to be past , and our belief of those only , that are recorded in the Holy Scriptures , to be sufficient now for our present Satisfaction . Besides , were the miracles reported to have been done by him true , and the man as good , as you think him to have been , I conceive his intercession for any particular person to be a point uncertain , and truly , as long as we have the intercession of Christ , altogether superfluous . I am resolved therefore , to leave your Xaverius to the quiet enjoyment of the felicity , which he hath obtained ( if at least he be in a state of bliss ) and to give him no interruption , in any concerns of my Soul. FINIS . Errata . IN the second Page to the Reader , l. 20. for third r. fourth , vid Concil . Lateran . sub Innocentio 3 o cap. 3. de Haeretic . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A64791-e780 * Sealed with Crosses . Notes for div A64791-e890 * 1 Cor. 1. 3. 2 Cor. 13. 14. Notes for div A64791-e3190 * Vid. Regul . Jesuitic .