A vindication of some Protestant principles of Church-unity and Catholick-communion, from the charge of agreement with the Church of Rome in answer to a late pamphlet, intituled, an agreement between the Church of England and the Church of Rome, evinced from the concertation of some of her sons with their brethren the dissenters / by William Sherlock ... Sherlock, William, 1641?-1707. 1688 Approx. 236 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 65 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2004-05 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A59901 Wing S3372 ESTC R32140 12334484 ocm 12334484 59736 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . 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Catholic Church -- Controversial literature. 2003-11 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-01 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2004-02 Emma (Leeson) Huber Sampled and proofread 2004-02 Emma (Leeson) Huber Text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion IMPRIMATUR , Liber cui Titulus , [ A Vindication of Some Protestant Principles , of Church-Unity , &c. ] Nov. 16. 1687. Guil ▪ Needham R mo . in Christo P. D. Wilhelmo Archiep , Cant. a Sacris . A VINDICATION OF SOME Protestant Principles OF Church-Unity and Catholick-Communion , From the Charge of Agreement with the CHURCH of ROME . IN ANSWER To a late PAMPHLET , Intituled , An Agreement between the Church of ENGLAND and the Church of ROME , evinced from the Concertation of some of her Sons with their Brethren the Dissenters . By WILLIAM SHERLOCK , D. D. Master of the TEMPLE . LONDON : Printed for William Rogers , at the Sun over-against St. Dunstan's-Church , in Fleet-street , 1688. TO THE READER . I HERE Present thee with a Book which the Importunity of our Roman Adversaries has extorted from me ; I had rather have employed my Pen upon some moré useful Argument ; but in such a state as this , we cannot always be our own Chusers . The Design of the Book I Answer seems to be , To revive some Old Disputes between us and the Dissenters , and to raise New Jealousies in them , if not of our Inclination to Popery , yet of a great deal of Popish Leaven yet remaining among us , which ought to be purged out ; for there is nothing such men dread more , than that the Dissenters should at this time entertain any kind Thoughts of the Church of England . The Plot , I confess , is well enough laid , were not all Wise Men of both Parties aware of it , and that makes it ridiculous enough ; and indeed the Book it self is an odd kind of mixture ; he gives very good words to the Dissenters , and at the same time uses no other but their own Arguments against the Church of England , to establish some main Points of Popery , which whether it be a piece of Courtship to them , or a sly Affront , ought to be considered : As for our Agreement with the Church of Rome , if I have not sufficiently baffled that Pretence , I will never write more ; but this of it self was too mean a Design to confute that which no body , not the Objector himself , believed ; and therefore I will be bold to say , that I have abundantly confuted the Popish Supremacy from those very Principles on which this Author would found our Agreement ; I intended a Preface to have explained some Notions about the Church , which might have been of use to ordinary Readers for the better understanding this Answer , but it swell'd so much upon my hands , that by the advice of some Friends I have reserved it for a distinct Treatise , which shall quickly follow . W. S. AN ANSWER TO THE PREFACE . SINCE this Author has thought fit to single me out , as an example of this pretended Agreement between the Church of England and the Church of Rome , I shall undertake my own defence , which will give me no other trouble , but a short diversion from some better designs ; which I suppose is all that was hoped for from this Pamphlet . For whoever this Author be ( which I am not curious to know ) I cannot think him so weak , as to hope at this time of Day , that he could perswade our Dissenters , That the Clergy of the Church of England , are not the Chief , if not the only Opposers of Popery , and Defenders of the Protestant Religion ; or that , notwithstanding all their appearing Zeal against Popery , they are still Papists in their hearts , and are ready to embrace a Cassandrian accommodation whenever the Government pleases ; and therefore I could be very well contented such suggestions as these should pass without an Answer , as far as I am concerned in them ; for let any man that knows me , think me a Papist if he can ; I am pretty confident , this Author believes me far enough from it , or else I might have expected better words from him ; but it is fit , that such little arts as these should be exposed to the scorn and contempt of Mankind , and that our Dissenters should be made sensible what a mean Opinion such Writers have of them , who hope to impose upon them by such mean arts . For to begin with that great Cry of late , that the Clergy of the Church of England are now the Chief , if not the only opposers of Popery , and Defenders of the Protestant Religion ; Is there not good reason for it ? Have they not defended the Church of England against all the little arts and shifts of the Church of Rome ? What is that then which he calls the unlucky mistake , and which the unwary Readers of Books are to be warned against ? That those unanswerable Books , which have of late been written against Popery , were not writen by the Clergy of the Church of England ? That he dares not say . What is the mistake then ? That these men , who confute Popery , are not Protestants , but Papists ? Methinks their confuting Popery is no great sign of their being Papists ; especially when Papists are not able to defend their Religion against them . I am sure , if their Arguments will keep men from turning Papists , they are notable opposers of Popery , and defenders of the Protestant Religion , whatever they are themselves ; and what hurt it would do any man to be confirmed in the Protestant Religion , though it were by the Writings of concealed Papists , I cannot guess . Should the Pope himself write a Book against Popery , if the Arguments were good , I should like the Book never the worse for the sake of the Author . I deny not , but such things may be done ; Papists may write against Popery , and Protestants for it , with an intention to betray the Cause which they undertake to defend ; but if this were his rule of guessing , there would be much more just cause to suspect , that our late Popish Writers were Protestants , than that our Protestant Writers were Papists . When they are able to Answer their Books against Popery , we will give them leave to call them Papists still ; but could they have done that , they would have allowed them to have been Protestants still . But what course does our Author take to undeceive unwary Readers at this time , and to prove these Confuters of Popery to be Papists ? Why , by acquainting them with the avowed Principles of some of our Clergy about those Points wherein the very life of Popery consists , and on which the whole System of that Religion is founded : In doing which , he hath with some clearness demonstrated the agreement of Opinion between the Church of England men , and the Church of Rome , to be so exact and full , that if the Government should so design , it were but dictum factum , according to their Doctrine ; and a Cassandrian Peace might be patch'd up presently with Rome . This is a notable discovery indeed ! Do any of these men then embrace any Doctrines of the Church of Rome ? No ; but it seems , they agree with the Church of Rome in some Fundamental Principles , whereon the whole System of Popery is founded ; That shall be examined anon : But suppose it at present ; Do they draw the same Conclusions from these Principles , which the Church of Rome does ? No ; but they ought to do so : so this Author thinks ; But suppose they do not think so ; Are they ever the nearer Popery , though their Principles be the same , if their Conclusions are as distant as Protestancy is from Popery ? If they be so well disposed to a Cassandrian Peace , I pray , What hinders it ? Won't , they receive us upon these terms ? What ? Not after all their softning representations to invite men into the bosom of the Church ? When they are so fond of all new Converts , will they reject the Cassandrian Divines of the Church of England ? When he adds , That his Majesty will admit of no such accomodations , any one would suspect that these poor Cassandrians had been suing for reconciliations , and had been rejected ; that the mollifying character , of a Papist truly represented , and the Bishop of Condom's Exposition of the Catholick Faith , which is as soft , though not so honest , as Cassanders consultation , would not now be allowed of at Court , and all for the sake of that more glorious design of Liberty of Conscience . But why might not Cassandrians be reconciled to the Church , and Dissenters have their Liberty too ? This Prefacer does not tell his Story well ; he has Forehead enough , but wants somewhat within . Well , but it was necessary in this present juncture to put some check to the insulting Talk of the Clergy , who would be thought to be the only Champions against Popery : That the Clergy of the Church of England , have industriously and successfully opposed the Corruptions of the Church of Rome , will be acknowledged by all but Papists , and they feel it to their cost ; but that they are the only Champions against Popery , I assure you , is not pleasing to them , for they would be very glad to see their dissenting Brethren put to their helping Hand , and be as industrious to preserve those from Popery , who have a Veneration for their Authority , as we are ; and upon these terms we could heartily forgive them all their former unjust imputations of Popery to us ; but that our Popish Adversaries find it necessary in this juncture to give some check to this Popery-opposing Clergy , I do not wonder , and I believe no body will , tho methinks the best way of giving a check to their Brags , had been to confute their Books , and they had work enough before them , had they liked this way ; for I can tell them a great many Books which they have never answered yet , and I beleive never will , I am sure never can to any purpose : But they come too late to perswade people now that we are Papists , especially when they are so open-hearted as to tell all the World what their design is ; for if we were Papists , no man will believe that they would be the first men who would discover us ; it may be they may know some few Cassandrian Church-men , but those they keep to themselves yet , and leave others to guess at them . But what Check does he intend to give to this Insulting Talk of the Clergy ? A very terrible one truly ; for from this Essay , it is pretty evident , That the Church of England must either freely declare , that as to the particulars instanced in , she is agreed with the Romanist , and that the Controversie lies only between the Church of Rome and the Protestant Dissenter ; or she must honestly renounce the Principles she has cleav'd unto , when any of her Sons wrote against the Nonconformists , and confess that she has been persecuting them for their firm adherence to Protestant Doctrines . This is to triumph before the Victory , as our Author will quickly find ; but however , for my part , I am glad it is no worse ; for I do not see how this will much humble us with relation to our Disputes against Popery : Should I find any Principles that ever I have maintain'd against Dissenters , give any advantage to Popery , I would certainly conclude them to be false , and make no scruple at all to renounce them ; for that which is false cannot follow from that which is true ; and how great a humiliation soever this were , a man might dispute heartily against Popery still ; and let them but lay the charge of Persecution upon this issue , which I grant is the true and fair state of the Case , ( for Persecution is only for Righteousness sake ) and if our Dissenters were in the right , I will readily grant that those who made or executed those Laws against Dissenters , who had any hand or heart in it , were guilty of Persecution . There may be unreasonable severities used upon other accounts , but every man who suffers for following his Conscience , is not therefore persecuted ; but he who suffers for being in the right , for believing and doing what God commands . The next discovery this Essay makes is this , That ever since the breach between the Church of England , and the Protestant Dissenter has had its being , we have left us uothing but the Name , the Shadow of a Protestant Church of England , and that so far as she differs from the Dissenter , she agrees with the Roman Catholick . How glad would these Gentlemen be , to have none thought Protestants but Dissenters , who in this present juncture are a more gentile and better natur'd sort of Protestants , than this Shadow of the Church of England , which haunts them like a Ghost or Spectre : But when did the Church of England commence such a mere Name and Shadow ? Ever since the breach with the Protestant Dissenter . But is not the Church of England the same now that it was before that breach ? And if it were a good substantial Protestant Church then , How comes it to be a Shadow now ? Suppose what he says were true , That as far as we differ from the Protestant Dissenter , we agree with the Roman Catholick . The Church of England may be never the worse Protestant Church for that , which is placed in the middle , between two Extreams , the Dissenter and the Papist . The Church of England Reformers never made a mere Opposition to the Church of Rome , the Rule of their Reformation , but Reformed only those abuses of the Church of Rome which needed a Reformation ; and when this Prefacer can prove that we have not Reformed enough , we will Reform again ; for we are not obstinate against convictions , and never think it too late to Reform ; however , if as far as we differ from the Dissenter , we are Roman Catholicks , yet certainly , as far as we agree with the Dissenter , we are not ; and that is enough to make us somewhat more than the Shadow of a Protestant Church . For we agree with them in our opposition to the Popes Supremacy , ( as will presently appear ) to Infallibity , to Transubstantiation , to the Sacrifice of the Mass , to the Adoration of the Host , to the Worship of Saints and Angels , and the Virgin Mary , to the Worship of Images , to Prayers in an unknown Tongue , to the denying People the use of the Bible , to the Five new Popish Sacraments , to Indulgencies , Purgatory , Prayers for the Dead , the Merit of Works , and such like Popish Innovations and Corruptions ; and to oppose these I take to be good substantial Protestancy . And as for those things wherein we differ from the Dissenters , we are so far from being Roman-Catholicks , that as for my own part , tho I like neither , yet I think the Dissenter the better of the two : setting aside the Apostolical Institution of Episcopacy , I should prefer any form of Government , Presbytery , or Independancy , rather than a Papal Monarchy ; it were better to have no Ceremonies at all , than to see Religion transform'd into little else but outside and Ceremony ; for some external Indecencies of Worship , which may be supplied by inward Devotions , are more eligible than gross and palpable Superstitions . Though I think sitting at the Lords Supper favours of too much irreverence , yet I had rather see men Receive sitting , than see them Worship the Host. So that our Church of England Nobility and Gentry , as he adds , have no reason either to embrace the name of Roman Catholick , or to close with the Protestant Dissenter ; a Church of England Protestant is somewhat more than a name still , and I hope will be so , when some other names will be forgot . AN ANSWER TO THE PRETENDED AGREEMENT Between the CHURCH of ENGLAND , AND THE CHURCH of ROME . And First to the INTRODUCTION . HE begins with an Account of that late Dispute about Representing and Misrepresenting , which if he had been wise he would have forgot ; The Papists ( he says ) complain of Misrepresentation , and until this be yielded , they 'l not Dispute . And I commend them for their Resolution , which is the wisest thing they can now do , tho it had been wiser not to have complained ; for they complained as long as they could ; and now they have no more to say , They will Dispute no longer ; as he observes , That for some months there has been nothing but Answering , Replying , Rejoyning , and Sur-rejoyning , and we are still where we began : That is , they are Papists still , and we Protestants , which I suppose is all that he can mean ; for if they have any modesty , their complaining , and our trouble of answering is at an end , which I think is not where we began . Well , so much then for Misrepresenting , and now a new Scene opens , In the first place a just State of the Controversie must be setled , wherein the Contending Parties agree , and how far they differ . What they please , we are contented to follow them in their own way ; tho it is strange this should be to settle now . Our Author undertakes the first of these , but does not design to encumber this Discourse with a Catalogue of Agreements in the great Doctrines of Christian Religion , and matters of Opinion . Tho he was more afraid than hurt here , for this would not much have encumbred his Discourse ; for I know little we agree in , but the Three Creeds ; but his Reason why he will not encumber his Discourse with our Agreement in Doctrines and Opinions , is very surprizing , viz. because there is no need of Agreement in such matters ; For both the Council of Trent , and our English Convocation , have taken especial care by a latitude of expression to obtain the assent of men , who vastly differ in their opinions : Which is a false account of the English Convocation , but a very true , tho strange account of that Infallible Council of Trent , of which more presently . But is not this a clever way of flinging off all disputes about Doctrines and Opinions ? His business is to prove the Agreement of my Principles about Church ▪ Communion , with the Church of Rome . For after all his talk of the Church of England , he has not one word about her , unless he takes me for the Church of England , which I assure him I never took my self to be ; but it seems one poor single Divine may pass for the Church of England , since it is dwindled into a name and shadow , tho it would be Misrepresentation in a Protestant to impute the Opinions and Doctrines of Popes , Cardinals , Doctors , School-men , Canonists , Casuists , nay of General Councils themselves , if they happen to forget their Anathema's , to the Church of Rome : I say , his design being to show the Agreement of my Principles with the Church of Rome , he knew this was impossible to be done , unless he laid aside the Consideration of all Doctrines and Opinions . But are these of no account then in the Church of Rome ? Is it no matter what our Opinions are , so we do but maintain the Popes Supremacy ? I think the Supremacy an intolerable usurpation on the Rights and Liberties of the Christian Church ; but I think the Popish Innovations in Faith and Worship more intolerable Corruptions of the Christian Religion , and more fatal to mens souls ; and therefore tho men groan'd under the oppressions of the See of Rome , they were other Corruptions which gave birth to the Reformation , witness Luthers Reformation ; and tho I should suppose it possible to be perswaded for peace sake to submit to the Usurpations of the Bishop of Rome , if all other Abuses and Corruptions were taken away , yet while the Corruptions of Faith and Worship remain , while I believe them to be such dangerous Corruptions , it makes Reconciliation impossible ; for tho I may be contented to be oppressed in my Christian Liberties , I can never be contented to be damned ; which is the difference between submitting to an usurped Authority , and complying with a corrupt Faith and Worship ; for tho I hope a great many who do so will find Mercy , yet those can expect none who are convinced of these Corruptions , and yet comply , which would be my case . So that he begins at the wrong end to prove my Agreement with the Church of Rome ; for tho my Pinciples did prove , and tho I were my self perswaded that the Bishop of Rome had a regular and Canonical Authority over all other Churches , while he is a truly Catholick and Orthodox Bishop , yet I should think such Corruptions in Faith and Worship sufficient to absolve all Christians from their subjection to him ; and therefore whatever my Principles of Church-Communion are , there is little hope of my Agreement with the Church of Rome , while these Doctrinal Corruptions last ; and it is a vain thing to prove an Agreement in Principles of Government , unless they can prove an Agreement in Faith and Worship too . There was no dispute , that I know of , between the Catholicks and the Arians about Principles of Government ; but he would have been laughed at , who should hence have inferred an Agreement between them . However setting aside this , let us consider how he proves that Doctrines and Opinions are so little , or not at all , concerned in the Agreement of the two Churches , viz. because both the Council of Trent , and the English Convocation , have taken especial care by a Latitude of expression to obtain the assent of men , who vastly differ in their Opinions . Has the Church of Rome then , and the Church of England , no positive Opinions to which they expect the Assent of their Members , especially of their Clergy ? He instances in the Doctrine of Predetermination , or which among us are better known by the name of Arminian Controversies ; now suppose they thought fit to give a latitude of Sense in their defining these Controversies , have they positively defined nothing ? Has not the Church of Rome in express terms decreed the Doctrine of Transubstantiation , of worship of Saints , and images , of the Adoration of the Host , of Seven Sacraments , of Purgatory ? &c. And has not the Church of England as positively determined against them ? And where is the agreement then between the Two Churches ? The truth is , there cannot be a worse thing said of any Church , than what this Author charges both upon the Church of England , and the Church of Rome , that they purposely penn'd their Decrees in such loose terms , that men of different Opinions might expound them to their own sense : Which is to make a show of deciding a Controveesy , with an intention all the while to leave it undecided ; which is such a juggle as unbecomes the Sincerity of a Christian Church . There may be a great many nice Philosophical disputes , which a wise Church may think necessary to leave undecided ; but there never can be any good reason , instead of determining Controversies , to lay the foundation of endless disputes between the Members of the same Communion , by doubtful and ambiguous expressions . And therefore I absolutely deny , that the Church of England has done this , or ever intended to do it . She has indeed used that temper and moderation in those Articles , which relate to the Five points , as only to determine what is substantial in them , and necessary to be believed by all Christians , without deciding those Niceties , whereon the Controversie between the Calvinist and the Arminian turns , and therefore both of them may subscribe these Articles , because the Controversies between them are determined on neither side ; and the appeasing such heats , as may be occasioned by those Disputes , is left to the prudence of Governours , which was thought a better way than a positive decision of them : This I think , I could make appear , were it a proper place for it ; and therefore have always thought , that the Church of England was wronged on both sides , while both the Calvinist and Arminian have forced her to speak their own sense , when she intended to speak neither . And no man can blame this conduct , who remembers , that this is only a reviving that old Philosophical dispute about Necessity and Fate , which always has been a dispute , and is likely to continue so ; and though these different Opinions have very different effects on our minds , and form very different apprehensions in us of Almighty God , which may be a just reason to prefer one before the other ; yet they are both consistent with the belief of all the fundamental Doctrines of Christianity , as I have shewed at large in that Book to which this Author so often refers . But now the Church of Rome has truly used this art , which this Author charges her with , such a latitude of expression and ambiguous terms , as might satisfie their differing Divines , that the cause was determined on their side , when there was no other way to end their disputes , and allay their heats ; and that in many concerning points too , as any one may see , who reads Father Paul's History of the Council of Trent ; and if this be intolerable in a fallible Church , it is much more intolerable in a Council , which pretends to Infallibility . Certainly they distrusted their own Authority ; either did not believe themselves to be Infallible , or knew , that their Divines did not think them so ; for otherwise the Authority of the Council might have over-ruled their Disputes , and there had been no need of cheating them into an assent : But what expectation is there , that the decrees of those men should be Infallible , who so often intended to decree nothing ? This is a Mystery , which I suppose our Author would not so freely have confessed at another time ; but it was necessary to allow this latitude of sense in the Decrees of the Trent Council now , to bring off Mr. De Meaux , and the Representer , who do indeed expound the Decrees of the Council to a great latitude of sense : But it is not a little matter will help them out ; the latitude of one side of the Line will not do , but it must reach from Pole to Pole. There is another ingenious confession of this Author , which is worth the noting ; That among the Romanists , about the great Doctrine of Predetermination , there are the Durandists , Dominicans , Jansenists , Molinists , and Scotists , that very much differ in Opinion , and yet are still of the same Church : and yet these are the men , that quarrel at the reformation , because there are differing Opinions among them , when there are the same Disputes among themselves , managed with as great heat and contention . These are the men , who tell us , that we must have an infallible Judg to end our disputes , when an infallible Pope , and infallible Councils , dare not undertake to end theirs : but as for what he adds , that there are in the Church of England , Calvinists , Arminians , Socinians , and Antinomians , who subscribe the same Articles of Religion , as terms of Unity and Peace : As for Calvinists and Arminians , I will grant , they may both subscribe our Articles ; whether any Socinians do , I know not , no more than they know when a secret Iew , or one who does not believe Transubstantiation , is receiv'd into holy Orders by them ; but I am sure an honest Socinian cannot subscribe our Articles , unless he can subscribe the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds ; but this was only designed to propagate that groundless calumny , That the Divines of the Church of England are infected with Socinianism . Having thus as well as he could , delivered himself from ingaging in that Dispute , about our agreement in doctrinal Points , which he knew he could make nothing of ; he says , He will confine himself to the agreement there is between both Churches about Government and Worship ; and threatens to show , how we have disputed against Dissenters upon Roman-Catholick Principles , both in proving their Obligation to Communion with us , and in vindicating the terms of our Communion from being sinful . This is what he undertakes to prove , and we are bound to hear him . Answer to SECT . 1. Concerning the Church of Englands Closure with a Roman Catholick Principle about the Government of the Church , in proving the Dissenter to lie under an Obligation of holding Communion with her . AND now we are come to the main seat of the Controversy about Catholick ▪ communion , which our Author has very dexterously improved into Catholick Power and Empire . I need give him no hard words ; to expose his manifest and wilful prevarications in this matter , will be thought hard enough , if he be capable of blushing . Now to make this as visible as the light ; I shall , 1. Shew , wherein he pretends the Agreement between the Two Churches consists ; that is , between my principles of Communion , and the Church of Rome ; for I am the only person here concerned ; and if I cannot vindicate my self , I will own my own shame , without casting the blame on my dear Mother the Church of England ; and I suppose , it will be sufficient to vindicate my self , if I first show him , that I have in express words rejected all those Propositions wherein he pretends this Agreement consists . Secondly , Particularly vindicate those passages he transcribes out of my books , and shew his sincerity in quoting , and his skill in applying , and then his French Popery may shift for it self , excepting a word or two of that learned Arch-bishop Petrus de Marca . As for the first , He himself has collected the Particulars wherein we agree , which I shall distinctly examine ; the Reader may find them p. 15 , 16. which are these , 1. They both make the Catholick Church , one visible governed Society , Houshold or Kingdom . This is the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , the first and fundamental mistake , and a wilful one too ; for I affirm the contrary in express words , in the defence of Dr. Stilling fleet 's unreasonableness of Separation , p. 565 , 566 , upon occasion of that Dispute about the constitutive Regent Head of a National Church ; I expresly assert , That the Unity , both of the National and Universal Church , consists in one Communion ; That Consent is all that is necessary to unite a Body or Socity in one Communion ; — That their Unity consists only in consent , not in any superior Governing ▪ Ecclesiastical Power on Earth , which binds them together : So that I absolutely deny , That the Catholick Church is one governed Society , with one supreme Government over the whole . P. 567. I assert , That Christ hath instituted no such constitutive Regent Power of one Bishop over another in his Church ; and therefore , the Union of particular Churches into one , must be made by consent , not by Superiority of Power . P. 564. I affirm , That tho a National Church ( and the Reason is stronger for the Universal Church ) be one Body , yet it is not such a political Body as they describe , and cannot be according to its original Constitution , which differs from Secular forms of Government ( which have a supreme governing Power ) by that Ancient Church-Canon of our Saviours own decreeing , It shall not be so among you . And thus , a National Church as governed by consent , may be one Body in an Ecclesiastical , tho not in a Civil Political Sense ; that is , by one Communion , not by one Supreme governing Power : The Dean in Answer to Mr. Baxter , who asserts a constitutive Regent Head of the National Church , necessary to make it a Church , and yet allows , That there is one Catholick Visible Church , and that all particular Churches , as headed by their particular Bishops or Pastors , are parts of the Universal Church ; argues thus , If this Doctrine be true , and withal it be necessary , that every Church must have a constitutive Regent Part as essential to it ; then it unavoidably follows , That there must be a Catholick Visible Head to the Catholick Visible Church ; and so Mr. B's Constitutive Regent Part of the Church , hath done the Pope a wonderful kindness , and made a very plausible Plea for his Universal Pastorship . Where the Dean proves , That a Constitutive Regent Head is not essential to the Notion of a National Church , for then it must be essential to the Catholick Church too ; and then there must be a supreme Pastor , or some supreme governing Power over the whole Church , which I suppose , is to deny that the Catholick Church is one visible governed Society . This Argument I defended at large , and added ( p. 576. ) That to deny a Church can be one without a constitutive Regent Head , infers one of these two things . 1. Either that many particular Churches cannot associate into one , for the joynt Exercise of Discipline and Government , which overthrows the very Notion of Catholick Unity and Communion . Or 2. That there is and must be a power in the Church , superior to the Episcopal Power , which naturally sets up a Pope above Bishops . Thus much for my agreement with them , that the Catholick Church is one visible governed Society , that is , which has a supreme Power over the whole ; and if our Author by this time does not begin to Colour , I will e'en Blush for him . But by this the Reader will perceive , what a hopeful Cause this Author has undertaken , to prove my Agreement with the Church of Rome about the Supremacy , either of the Pope or General Council , when I absolutely deny , that there is , or ought to be any such Superior Authority and Jurisdiction over the whole Church . But to proceed . 2. He says , They both pitch upon the Episcopal Government as distributed into the several Subordinations of combined Churches , as what is by Divine Institution made the Government of the Church : A combination of Diocesan Churches to make up one Provincial , whose Bishops are in Subordination to their Metropolitan ; a combination of Provincial Churches to make up a National , and the Metropolitans in Subordination to the Primate ; a combination of National Churches to make up a Patriarchal , and the Primates in Subordination to the Patriarch ; and a confederacy of Patriarchal to make up one Oecumenical , and every Patriarch in Subordination to the Oecumenical Bishop , or chief Patriarch . This is an Agreement with a Witness ; and if he can prove this , as he says he has done , of which more presently , we will never dispute more with them about Church-Government ; let us then consider the several steps and Gradations of Church-Authority , which at last centers in an Universal Bishop . 1. The Subordination of Parochial Presbyters , who are combined and united under the Government of a Diocesan Bishop . Thus far we agree with him , and acknowledg a direct Superiority of Bishops over their respective Presbyters ; but we go not one step farther with him . 2. A combination of Diocesan Churches to make up one Provincial , whose Bishops are in Subordination to their Metropolitan . Such a Combination I allow of , but the Subordination I deny to be the original Form of Church Associations ; and this one word Subordination , which he has here thrust in , discovers the whole Trick , and spoils our Agreement quite . I assert , these Combinations are for Communion , not for Government , and therefore there is no Subordination required to such an Union ; he will have these Combinations to be , not meerly for Communion , but for Government , and that indeed requires a Subordination ; but these two Notions do as vastly differ , as a friendly Association for mutual Advice and Counsel , and a Subjection to a Superior Authority . And that I have not altered my Opinion , but that this was always my judgment in the case , I shall now show , and I need to that purpose only transcribe a Page or Two out of the Defence , p 577 , &c. It is evident from the Testimony of the earliest Ages of the Church , that first the Apostles , and then the Bishops as their Successors , were the Supreme Governours of the Church , who had no higher Order or Power over them : And therefore Tertullian calls the Bishop , Summus Sacerdos , or the chief and highest Priest ; and Optatus Apices & Principes , the Tops and Princes of all ; which was the general Language of those days ; as any one who pleases , may learn from Dr. Barrow's learned Treatise of the Popes Supremacy . And as Bishops were the highest Governours of the Church , so every Bishop was greatest in his own Diocess ; no other Bishop , nor Synod of Bishops , could impose any thing on him , without his own Consent ; they met for Advice and Counsel , not for Rule and Empire ; which , Mr. B. tells us so often , was Arch-bishop Usher's Judgment , and which plainly was the Judgment and Practice of Antiquity , as appears from what I have already discoursed about Catholick Communi on : It were easie to transcribe several Passages out of St. Cyprian to this purpose , especially from his Preface to the Council of Carthage , where he tells them , That they were met freely to declare their Opinions about this matter ( the Rebaptization of those who had been Baptized by Hereticks ) judging no man , nor denying Communion to him if he dissent : For neither doth any of us constitute himself Bishop of Bishops , or by tyrannical terror compel his Colleagues to a necessity of obeying ; since every Bishop being free and in his own power , has his own free choice , and can neither be judged by another , nor judg another ; but let us all expect the judgment of our Lord Iesus Christ , who alone has power both to advance us to the Government of his Church , and judg of our Government ; and in p. 579. I add , Nor does this overthrow that very Ancient Constitution of Patriarchal or Metropolitan Churches ; for a Patriarch or Metropolitan was not a Superior Order to Bishops , nor included any Authority over them , as is evident from what St. Cyprian discoursed , who was himself a Primate , but only some precedency in the same Order , and such advantages of Power in the Government of the Church , as was given them by the common consent of Bishops for a greater publick good ; as the power of calling Provincial Synods , and presiding in them , and a principal Interest in the Ordination of Bishops in his Province , and the like , which were determined and limited by Ecclesiastical Canons . It is true this Patriarchal Power did in time degenerate into Domination and Empire , when it fell into the hands of ambitious men ; but was originally ( and is so still , when wise and good men have the management of it ) a very prudent constitution to preserve Peace and Order , and good Discipline in the Church . But that Arch-bishops and Metropolitans had no proper Superiority and Jurisdiction over Bishops , is evident from what St. Hierom objects against the Discipline of the Montenists , Amongsts us ( i. e. the Catholicks ) the Bishops enjoy the place of the Apostles ; among them the Bishop is but the third ; for they have the Patriarch of Pepusa in Phrygia for the first , those whom they call Cenones for the second ; thus Bishops are thrust down into the third , that is , almost the last place . And yet in St. Hieroms time the Catholick Church had Archbishops and Metropolitans , but yet it seems not such as degraded Bishops , or advanced any above them . Whether this be true Reasoning or no , shall be examined when there is occasion for it ; all that I am concerned in at present , is only to show , that I never asserted such an Original Combination of Metropolitical Churches , as placed Bishops in subordination to the Metropolitan , or gave him a direct Authority or Jurisdiction over them ; and here our Agreement must for ever break off ; for if it will not reach to the Jurisdiction of Metropolitans and Primates , much less will it extend to Patriarchs , and least of all to an Oecumenical Pastor , whom I have in express terms rejected , and for what reason will appear anon . 3. The next instance of Agreement is , That we both agree in giving to a General Council direct Authority over their Collegues in matters that concern the Purity of Faith and Manners , and the Unity of the Church . But here are two considerable Mistakes in this Matter : 1. That I give this Authority to a General Council . 2. That I give a General Council , or any other Combination of Bishops a direct Authority over their Collegues . 1. That I give this Authority to General Councils . My Dissenting Adversaries began this Charge , that I set up a General Council , as a Superior Governing Power over the whole Church , and consequently over all Bishops , and therefore was no better than a Cassandrian or a French Papist ; and our Author revives this charge without taking any notice , that it was ever Objected and Answered before : indeed he has Objected nothing in this whole matter , but what was before Objected by Dissenters with as much Art and appearance of Truth , as he has now given it : And I could more easily forgive it in them , because it might be an innocent mistake in them , till these notions were thoroughly sifted , and set in a better light ; but for our Author to read that very Book , The Vindication of the Defence of Dr. Stillingfleet , wherein all these Objections were made and Answered , and to renew the Charge , and repeat the Objections again , without taking notice of any Answer that was given to them , is such a piece of Ingenuity , as an honest Dissenter would be ashamed of . In my Defence of the Dean , there was not one word which looked towards a General Council , excepting the Collegium Episcopale , or the Episcopal Colledg , which some mistook for a General Council ; but this mistake I rectified in the Vindication , p. 146. I observed , that Optatus called the whole body of Bishops Collegium Episcopale , and upon the same account St. Cyprian and St. Austin call all Catholick Bishops Collegues ; and they may as well say , That when the Fathers speak of the Unity of the Episcopacy , they mean their Union in a General Council , as that they mean a General Council by the Colledg of Bishops . In St. Cyprians time there never had been a General Council , excepting the Council of the Apostles at Jerusalem ; and yet when he wrote to forreign Bishops , with whom he never was joined in Council , nor ever like to be , he calls them his Collegues , or those of the same Colledg with him ; which signifies no more than that they were of the same Power and Authority with him , and united in one Communion . And what my thoughts are of a General Council , whoever pleases , may see some Pages after : p. 162 , 163 , &c. 2. Nor do I give a direct Authority to any Bishops or Council of Bishops over their Collegues : This I expresly deny in Forty places , as to be sure every man must do , who acknowldges , that all Bishops have originally an equal power , and the Supreme Authority in their respective Diocesses . That no Bishops either single or united have any direct Authority or Superiority over each other . That the combinations of Churches , and the Synods and Councils of Bishops , are not for direct acts of Government , and Superiority over each other ; with several other like expressions before quoted . But do I not say , That General Councils can have no direct Authority over any Bishops , who refuse to consent , unless it be in such matters as concern the purity of Faith , and manners , and Catholick Unity ? and does not this infer , that they have a direct Authority over them in such matters ? This possibly might lie a little out of our Author's reach , I not having occasion then given me to difcourse it more at large ; but if he had not understood this , it had been more modest and ingenuous to have thought it an unwary saying , or to have made a Query upon it , and desired me to have reconciled this seeming contradiction , rather than to charge me with such Principles , as I so often expresly and positively reject . But ingenuity and modesty are Virtues not to be expected from such Adversaries , and therefore I shall briefly state this matter also , by 1. Showing what I meant , by matters which concern the purity of Faith and Manners , and Catholick Unity . 2. What Authority I give to bishops , or a Council of Bishops over their Collegues in such cases , and how this is to be reconciled with my affirming , that the combinations of Churches , and the Synods and Councils of Bishops , are not for direct acts of Government and Superiority over each other , but only for mutual advice and counsel . 1. As for the first , when I say , That Neighbour Bishops , or a Council of Bishops , has Authority over their Collegues in matters which concern the purity of Faith and Manners , and Catholick Unity , it is plain that my meaning was not , and could not be , That such a Council of Bishops had Authority to make what Decrees they pleased in matters of Faith or Manners , or Catholick Unity , and impose them upon their Collegues by a direct and superior Authority , without their own consent ; for this is the very thing I disputed against ; and yet this is the sense he would put upon my words , and indeed no other sense of them can do the Church of Rome any service ; but let any indifferent Reader consider the whole Paragraph , and freely judg whether this Author be not a very Candid Interpreter . I was discoursing about General Councils , That it is not likely there should ever be a Convention of Bishops from all parts of the Christian World ; nor if it were possible , that there should be some few Bishops dispatched from all Christian Churches , all the world over , can I see any reason why this should be called a General Council , when it may be there are Ten times as many Bishops who did not come to the Council , as those who did ; and why should the less number of Bishops assembled in Council , judg for all the rest , who so far exceed them in numbers , and it may be are not inferior to them in Piety and Wisdom ; especially considering , that every Bishop has the Supreme Government of his own Church , and his liberty and power to choose for himself , as St. Cyprian tells us ; and must not be compelled to obedience by any of his Collegues ; which overthrows the proper Jurisdiction of General Councils , which can have no direct Authority over any Bishops , who refuse to consent , unless it be in such matters , as concern the Purity of Faith and Manners , and Catholick Unity . Now if Faith and Manners , and Catholick Unity , were considered as the Subject of Conciliary Decrees , what greater Authority could the Council of Trent it self desire than this , to have Authority to make Decrees about Faith and Manners , and Catholick Unity , which shall oblige all the Bishops in the World ? For I know not any thing else for a Council of Christian Bishops to make Decrees about : And therefore these matters which concern Faith and Manners , only relate to the Faith and Manners of the Bishop ; as I elsewhere expresly teach , That a Bishop cannot be imposed on against his own consent , by any Bishop or Council of Bishops , nor can justly be deposed upon such accounts , while he neither corrupts the Faith , nor schismatically divides the Church . So that this Authority refers not to the Decrees of Councils about Faith or Manners , but is only an Authority of censuring Heretical and Schismatical Bishops . 2. But that we may better understand the true state of this matter , let us consider what kind of Authority this is : And 1. I observe this is no act of Authority over Bishops considered a Bishops , but over Hereticks and Schismaticks ; and no man that I know of , ever denied the Churches Power to censure Heresie or Schism , or to correct the Lives and Manners of Men ; and if Hereticks and Schismaticks , wicked and profligate Persons , may be flung out of the Church ; if any Bishops be such , there is no reason their Character should excuse them , for that does not lessen but aggravate their Crime . 2. And therefore this is no usurpation upon the Episcopal Power and Government ; it is not imposing Laws or Rules on a Bishop for the Government of his Church without his consent , which is an Usurpation upon the Episcopal Authority ; but it is only judging him unworthy to be a Bishop , and committing the care of his Flock to some more fit person . 3. This Authority does not result from that superior Jurisdiction , which one Bishop , or all the Bishops in the World have over any one single Bishop , but from that obligation which every Bishop has as far as he can , to take care of the whole flock of Christ , as I explain it in the Vindication , p. 156. That the Unity of the Episcopacy is the foundation of that Authority which neighbour Bishops have over their Collegues in case of Heresie or Schism , or any notorious wickedness ; for they being Bishops of the Universal Church , have an original Right and Power ( not to govern their Collegues , but ) to take care that no part of the Church which is within their reach and inspection , suffer by the heresie or evil practices of their Collegues , which as I observed in the Defence , p. 215 is the reason St. Cyprian gives why there are so many Bishops in the Christian Church whom he calls a copious body of Bishops , coupled by the cement of concord , and bond of Unity . That if any of our colledg ( i. e. any Bishop● ) should endeavour to broach any new Heresie , or tear and spoil the Flock of Christ , the rest may come in to their help , and like good and merciful Pastors , gather again the Sheep of Christ into the fold . So that this is not properly an Authority over Bishops , who have originally no superior Jurisdiction over each other , but an obligation on all Bishops , as far as they can , to see that no part of the Christian Church be corrupted with Heresie , or divided by Schisms ; the discharge of which may impower them to remove Heretical Bishops , without any direct Authority to govern Bishops . So that this power of deposing Heretical and Wicked Bishops does not contradict what I before asserted , That by original right , all Bishops are equal , and every Bishop supreme in his own Diocess , who cannot be compelled by other Bishops to govern his Church by such Rules and Laws as he himself does not assent to ; and therefore that such Combinations and Councils of Bishops are not originally for direct acts of Government and superiority over each other , but only for mutual Counsel and Advice : For these are two very different things , To have Authority to compel a Bishop to govern his Church by such Laws as he himself in his own conscience does not approve ; and to have Authority to fling a notorious Heretical or Schismatical Bishop out of their Communion , and to command and exhort his Presbyters and People not to own him ; St. Cyprian I am sure thought these two cases very different ; for the first he utterly rejects as an usurpation on the Episcopal Authority , that it was to make themselves Bishops of Bishops , which he thought a great impiety ; the other he practised himself in the case of Basilides and Martialis . For the first is a direct Authority over Bishops in the exercise of their Episcopal Function ; the second is only an Authority to censure Heresie and Schism , and to preserve the Communion of the Church pure , and to defend the Flock from such Wolves in Sheeps Clothing , But it may be it will be Objected , That this comes much to one ; for the Authority of deposing Heretical and Schismatical Bishops , infers an Authority of declaring Heresie and Schism ; and that of making or declaring Articles of Faith , and Laws of Catholick Communion ; for how can they depose Hereticks or Schismaticks without an Authority of declaring what Heresie and Schism is ? And this is as much Authority as the Council of Trent it self would have desired ; and therefore it seems very absurd and contradictious to deny a Council Authority to oblige their Collegues by their Decrees of Faith , or Manners , or Catholick Unity , and to give Authority to neighbour Bishops to depose or censure any Heretical or Schismatical Bishop . To this purpose our Author argues , p. 32. 33. According to their Doctrine the Bishops of Spain , France , Italy , and Germany , being Bishops of the Catholick Church , tho' ordinarily their Power is confined to their particular Churches , yet having an Original right with relation to the whole Catholick Church , are bound by the Laws of Communion to re-assume their Original right , and assemble and summon before them the Bishops of the Church of England ; who , in their opinion , are fallen into a great Schism and Heresy ; in which matters these Bishops have a direct Authority over the Bishops of the Church of England , and may proceed against them , and depose them , and ordain others in their room , and oblige the People to withdraw from the communion of the deposed Bishops , in which case the foreign Bishops being the governing part , have as much authority over the English Bishops , as the English Bishops have over the Dissenters in England . He should have said as the English Bishops have over the Popish bishops of France , Spain , or Italy , and then he had come pretty near the matter . He adds . The larger combination of Bishops , the greater is their Power and Authority : And therefore if the English Bishops have a direct Authority over the Dissenters in England , so has this greater combination of Bishops over the dissenting English Bishops ; ( that is , if Bishops have Authority over their own Flocks , then the Bishops of France and Spain have Authority over English Bishops ; if Bishops must govern their own Churches , other Bishops may govern them ; an inference which I believe , our Author is the first man , that ever made . ) And as the English Bishops insist on their Authority in decision of Controversies , and the Dissenter must submit ; so may this greater College of Bishops urge their Authority , and the Dissenting English Bishops must submit , and may not be admitted to exercise their own judgment , or pretend Conscience there , no more than the English Protestant Dissenter may do it here . It must be carefully observed , that by these Gentlemen the Power is lodged with the College of Catholic Bishops ; and so long as the Church of England acknowledges the Bishops of these Countries to be Catholick Bishops , as now they do ( just as we acknowledg the Church of Rome to be part of the Catholick Church , but a very corrupt and schismatical part of it ) they cannot question their power , that they must acknowledg : And by the Laws of Catholick Communion must obey a College of them , and appear before them , when Summoned : The greatest thing , that they can with any pretence insist on , is the justness of their cause , of which they are no more competent judges before this College , than the Dissenters are , when before these Bishops here . What happy days would the Church of Rome see , were things brought to this pass ! but how impertinent all his talk of the College of Bishops is , has been already shown , and will be more in what follows : All that I observe at present is , how he turns the power of deposing , and censuring heretical and schismatical Bishops into a power of declaring Heresy , and judging whether they be Hereticks or not , by such a final and uncontroulable power , as Hereticks themselves are bound to submit to : And which is more ridiculous than that , if one Church agrees to accuse another Church of Heresy , the accusers alone must be judges , and the accused are very incompetent Judges of it , because forsooth they are accused : But this matter may be stated without setting up such a Soveraign Tribunal for judging of Heresies . For 1. That Heretical Bishops may be deposed , I think all agree in . 2. And there is as little question , but that Orthodox and Catholick Bishops , who have the care of the Church committed to them , have this power of deposing : That is , of casting such a Bishop out of their Communion , and exhorting his People to withdraw Communion from him , and to accept of a Catholick Bishop in his stead ; which is all that the Ecclesiastical power of deposing signifies . 3. There is no question neither , but that all Bishops will call that Heresy , which they themselves think to be so , and will judg those to be Hereticks , who profess such Doctrines , as they call Heresy . 4. But it does not hence follow , that any Bishops , or any number of Bishops , however assembled , have such an Authority to define Articles of Faith , or to declare Heresy , as shall oblige all men to believe that to be Heresy , which they decree to be so . 5. And therefore the effects of these Censures must of necessity depend upon that Opinion , which People have of them : Those who believe the Censure just , will withdraw themselves from the Communion of such a Bishop ; those who do not believe it just , will still communicate with him . For who ever pronounces the Sentence , ( excepting the interposing of Secular power ) the People must execute it , and if they will still adhere to their Bishop , he may defic his Deposers , and all their power : As the English Bishops and People do all the Anathemaes of the Church of Rome . 6. And whether they do right or wrong in this , their own Consciences must judg in this world , and God will judg in the next : This is all that can be said or done in such a broken and divided state of the Church , as we now see . While nothing was called Heresie but the denial of some plain and acknowledged Article of the Christian Faith , while there was no dispute , who were Hereticks , the power of deposing Hereticks was sacred and venerable , and had its just authority and effect ; but since what is Heresie is the Controversie , and the world is divided about it , tho the power remains still , the exercise of it grows very contemptible , when a Church first coyns new Articles of Faith , and then Excommunicates , Censures , Deposes those for Hereticks , who will not believe them . 4ly . We are come now to the last Point , wherein he says we agree , viz. To give to one Bishop a Primacy , for the better preserving Catholick Union , and also a Superior power of Appeals , and exercising some peculiar acts of Discipline under the regulation of Ecclesiastical Canons . Now all this indeed I do assert , and yet we are very far from agreeing in this matter . For though they made no more of the Pope than a meer Primate , which I doubt is not good doctrine in Rome , yet there is as much difference between our Primates , as there is between a National and Oecumenical Primate , and consequently as much difference between our Appeals , as between Appeals to Rome , and to the Archbishop of Canterbury , as between Appeals to the Primate of a National Church , and Appeals to foreign Bishops . I know he disputes very learnedly , that such an Oecumenical combination of Churches , and an Oecumenical Primate is more for the preservation of Cathol Unity , than a National Church or Primate ; but this he knew I denied , and therefore should not have said , that I agree with them in it , and who has the best reason on their side shall be examined presently . By this time , I suppose , the Reader is satisfied how far we agree in these things , I having in express words denied every thing which he has affirmed , in these very Books , to which he has appealed ; which I think is no great sign of agreement . 2. It is time now to vindicate those passages which he quotes out of my Book , and on which he founds this pretence of agreement between us ; and to do this effectually and plainly , I must as I go along briefly explain some of my Principles , which our Author either did not understand , or did wilfully misrepresent . All the sayings he has picked up , and brought together from one end of the Book to t'other , relate to one of these two Principles , The Unity of the Church , which is one Communion , or the Unity of the Episcopacy . 1. As for the first of these , The Unity of the Church , the whole mystery of it is no more but this , That the whole Christian Church , by the Institution of our Saviour , is but one Church , and this one Church is one Communion , that is , one Body and Society , whereof all Christians are members , and wherein they have a right to communicate in all Christian Priviledges , and have both a right and obligation to Communicate in all Christian Duties : This our Author puts in the second place , tho it ought to be the first , as being the Foundation of all : That all Christians and Christian Churches in the world are one Body , Society , or Church , and this is called Catholick Communion ; for they being all one Body , they Communicate with each other in this one Body , in all the Duties and Priviledges of it ; and what advantage he can make make of this , I cannot yet guess , unless he thinks that the very name Catholick being one of Bellarmin's Notes of the Church , Catholick Communion , must signifie the Communion of the Catholick Church of Rome . My Adversaries hearing this word Communion , presently concluded , that I placed the Unity of the Church in some meer transient acts of Communion , and disputed very earnestly against it , as well they might . But this mistake I rectified in my Vindication , and showed them that one Communion signifies one Body and Society , in which all the Members communicate with each other ; which I explain'd by this familiar comparison : Suppose the whole World were one Family , or one Kingdom , in which every particular man , according to his rank and station , enjoys equal privileges ; in this case the necessity of Affairs would require , that men should live in distinct houses and distinct Countries , as now they do all the World over : But yet if every man enjoyed the same Liberty and Priviledges , wherever he went , as he does now in his own House and Country , the whole World would be but one House and Family , or Universal Kingdom ; and whosoever should resolve to live by himself , and not receive any others into his Family , nor allow them the liberty of his House , would be guilty of making a Schism in this great Family of the World : And what Nations soever should deny the Rights and Priviledges of natural Subjects to the Inhabitants of other Countries , would make a Schism , and rent it self from this Universal Kingdom . I added , Thus it is here ; The Church of Christ is but one Body , one Church , one Houshold and Family , one Kingdom . These words our Author sets in the Front , and thinks to make something of them : for seeing all know , that to make the whole World one Universal Kingdom , it 's necessary that it be subjected under one governing Head ; it unavoidably follows , that unless in the Catholick Church there be one Supreme Governing Head , it cannot be like to an Universal Kingdom , an organized politick Body . Very right ! Had I compared the Catholick Church to an Universal Kingdom , with respect to Government , the consequence had been good ; but comparing it only with respect to Communion , the consequence is ridiculous ; and yet this was all I intended in the Comparison , as appears from the Application of it . And therefore though the necessity of Affairs requires , that Neighbour Christians combine themselves into particular Churches & particular Congregations , as the world is divided into particular Families and Kingdoms , ( which shows , that I no more subject the Church to one Governing-head , than I do the World to one Universal Monarch , now it is divided into particular Kingdoms ) yet every Christian , by virtue of his Christianity hath the same Right and Priviledg , and the same Obligation to Communion , as occasion serves , with all the Churches in the World , that he has with that particular Church , wherein he lives ; wherever he removes his dwelling , whatever Church he goes to , he is still in the same Family , the same Kingdom , and the same Church . Now whether this be a good Consequence , that because I make the whole Christian Church one Family and Kingdom , with respect to Christian Communion ; that is that all true Christians have a right to Communion in all true Christian Churches in the World , therefore I subject the whole Christian Church to one Supreme Governing Head on Earth ( for with respect to Christ , who is the true and only Head of his Church , we will allow it to be one Kingdom and Family in this sense ) I say , let any man judge of this , who understands Consequences . If our Author did not see this , the Reader may judg of his understanding ; if he did , he may judg of his honesty . And thus his foundation is gone , and then all the superstructure is but a Castle in the Air : For if the Universal Church be not one Organized politick body , as according to my Principles it is not , then it cannot be subjected to one governing Head , neither to the Pope nor a General Council . His third charge is , that I make somewhat more necessary to Catholick Communion than an Agreement in the same Faith , the same Rules of Worship , and right Administration of the Sacraments ; that is , Catholick Communion is our union in one body , and communicating in this one body is the exercise of Catholick Communion , which those who do not , if there be not a just and necessary cause for it , are Schismaticks for all that , whatever their Faith and Worship be ; and Schism is a damning sin . But how does this make any thing more necessary to Catholick Communion , than the same Faith , the same Worship , the same Sacraments ? These are all the Catholick terms of Catholick Communion ; but if these do not unite us into one body , we are not united for all that : Not that any thing else is wanting to make this union ; but because through the lusts , and vices , and passions of men , an union does not follow upon it : but he was sensible , that Catholick Communion alone , would not do his business , would not prove the necessity of one Supreme governing-head ( whether the Pope , or a General Council ) over the whole Church ; and therefore he insinuates , that I make something else the necessary terms of Catholick Communion , besides the true Christian Faith , Worship , and Sacraments ; and what should that be , do you think , but subjection to one Supreme Head , which you shall see , how learnedly he proves ; For he adds , 4. That what is further necessary to Catholik Communion , is a Catholick Government , namely the Episcopal . Now all these words I have used upon one occasion or other , but there is no such proposition as this in all my Book . I do allow Episcopacy to be an Apostolical Institution , and the truly Ancient and Catholick Government of the Church , of which more hereafter ; but yet in this very book , I prove industriously , and at large , that in case of necessity , when Bishops cannot be had , a Church may be a truly Catholick Church , and such as we may , and ought to communicate with , without Bishops , in vindication of some foreign reformed Churches , who have none ; and therefore I do not make Episcopacy so absolutely necessary to Catholick Communion , as to unchurch all Churches which have it not . But the Remainder of his quotations referring to the Unity of the Episcopacy , I must briefly explain what my Notion is about it ; and truly I have proceeded all along upon St. Cyprian's Principles , and he must answer for it , if he have misled me . S. Cyprian taught me , that there is one Episcopacy , part of which every Bishop holds with full authority and power ; where by one Episcopacy St. Cyprian understands one Bishoprick , that is , the Universal Church , which as it is but one Church , is but one Bishoprick also ; it being all under the Government of the Episcopal power . But then this Bishoprick is divided into parts , into particular Diocesses , and every Bishop has a part of this Universal Bishoprick , which he has in solidum ; that is , he has his part to govern with the fulness and plenitude of the Episcopal power , without any Superior authority , or jurisdiction over him . This I take to be the plainest and easiest interpretation of St. Cyprian's words ; for though all learned men have agreed in the same sense , yet the Phrase has a little puzled them ; for if by one Episcopacy , we understand one Episcopal office and power , tho' the sense will be the same , yet the expression is very obscure ; for how can every Bishop have but part of the Episcopal office in Solidum ; that is , part of the office , and the whole power ? But if by one Episcopacy , we understand one Bishoprick , and the universal Church may as properly be called one Bishoprick , as one Church , and one Sheepfold , then it is all plain , that there is but one Bishoprick , of which every Bishop has part , in which he exercises the whole Episcopal authority and power . Another Principle of St. Cyprian's is , that this one Episcopacy , or one Bishoprick , is preserved one by the concord and agreement of Bishops ; for if the Bishops disagree , who have the Supreme government of their own Churches , this must of necessity divide the Bishoprick and the Church ; but this one Bishoprick is spread over the World , by the consenting multitude of many Bishops ; which , as I observed , he calls the Unity and Peace of the Episcopacy : And for the same reason Optatus calls it the Episcopal College ; and Bishops are called Collegues . And St. Cyprian tells us , The-Catholick Church is not rent , nor divided , but united and coupled by the cement of Bishops , who stick close together . Another Principle is , That no Bishop , nor Colledg of Bishops have a direct authority or jurisdiction over their Collegues , to compel them to submit to their decrees and definitions , against their own Judgment and Conscience : That none of them pretended to be Bishops of Bishops , which he abhors as a Tyrannical Usurpation , as we see in his Preface to the Council of Carthage . Another Principle is , That since there is but one Episcopacy or Bishoprick , every Bishop , besides the Supreme Government of his own particular Diocess , has such a relation to the whole Church , that he is to take care , as much as in him lies , to see , that no part of the Church suffer by the Heresies or Schisms of their Bishops ; which is the reason , as I observed before , St. Cyprian gives , Why there are so many Bishops in the Christian Church , That if any of our Colledg ( i. e. any Bishop ) should endeavour to broach any new Heresie , or to tear and spoil th● Flock of Christ , the rest may come in to their help , and like good and merciful Pastors , gather again the Sheep of Christ into their Fold . These are the Principles I learnt from St. Cyprian ; and if our Author can find a supreme Head of the Universal Church , whether Pope or General Council , in this Scheme , I am sure St. Cyprian could not , who disowns any such superior Authority to Bishops . Let us then now return to our Author , who observes , that I assert , That all the Bishops of the Church are but one also , ( which a little differs from one Bishops being all ) invested with the same Power and Authority to govern the Church ; ( for which I quoted St. Cyprian , tho he thinks fit to leave him out ) ; That as St. Cyprian tells us there is but one Episcopacy , part of which every Bishop holds with full Authority and Power ; that all these Bishops are but one body , who are bound to live in Communion with each other , and to govern their respective Churches where need requires , and where it can be had , by mutual Advice and Consent , and therefore that no Bishops are absolutely Independant , but are obliged to preserve the Unity of the Episcopacy , or Episcopal College , as Optatus calls it , ( which words our Author leaves out , as being afraid of naming the Authority of any Father in the case ) whereon the Unity and Communion of the Catholick Church depends . Thus far our Author recites my words , and here breaks off ; but I shall beg leave to go on . For it is impossible the Catholick Church should be one Body or Society , or one Communion , if it be divided into as many Independent Churches , as there are absolute and independent Bishops : For those Churches must be independent which have an independent Power and Government , as all those must have , which have independent Governors and Bishops ; and independent Churches can never make one Body and one Catholick Communion ; because they are not Members of each other ; and thus the Unity of the Catholick Church must be destroyed , unless we assert One Episcopocy as well as One Church , One Evangelical Priesthood as well as One Altar , all the world over . Here I must stop a little , for here he seems to lay his Foundation , whereon to erect his Papal Monarchy , or his Soveraign Power of General Councils ; that I assert , That Bishops are not absolutely independent ; and therefore he supposes , That they must be subordinate too to some higher Power and Jurisdiction . How far I am from asserting any such Supreme Power over the whole Church , I have already shown ; and now I must vindicate this Principle , That Bishops are not absolutely Independent , from any such consequence , which is no very difficult task , if men will consider what I mean by the independency of Bishops , and for what reason I asserted , That Bishops are not absolutely independent . For the independency I deny , is such an independency as is opposed to the unity of the Episcopacy , and to their obligation to live in Communion with each other ; for because there is but one Episcopacy , because all Bishops are but one body , therefore I assert , they are not absolutely independent , but are obliged to preserve the unity of the Episcopacy , or Episcopal College : for absolute Independency excludes all necessary obligations to Unity and Communion , as well as to Subjection . An absolute independent Soveraign Prince is no more bound by the Laws of Soveraignty to live in Unity , than to own subjection to neighbour Princes ; now Bishops indeed as to subjection are independent , for there is no superior Authority in the Church over them , as I have always asserted ; but they are not independent as to Unity and Communion ; for the fundamental Laws of one Episcopacy oblige them to Unity and Communion , and that obliges them to govern their Churches by mutual advice , without which this Unity cannot be preserved . I am sure St. Cyprian lays so much stress on this , that he expresly asserts , That He cannot have the Power nor the Honour of a Bishop , who will not maintain the Unity and the Peace of the Episcopacy . Now I cannot think such Bishops absolutely independent , tho they are subject to no superior Authority , who depend upon preserving the Unity and Peace of the Episcopacy , for the very Power and Dignity of Bishops . I deny such an independency of Bishops , as makes their Churches independent , which destroys Catholick Communion , as I showed in those words which our Author suppressed , That Unity of the Catholick Church depends upon the Unity of the Episcopacy . For it is impossible , the Catholick Church should be one Body or Society , or one Communion , if it be divided into as many independent Churches , as there are absolute and independent Bishops ; for those Churches must be Independent , which have an Independent power and government , as all those must have , who have Independent Governours , or Bishops ; and Independent Churches can never make one Body , and one Catholick Communion , because they are not Members of each other . Now this Independency of Churches , which I condemn , is not opposed to a superior Jurisdiction ; for so Churches , as well as Bishops , are originally Independent : but it is opposed to their being such distinct and separate Bodies as are not Members of each other , which destroys Catholick Communion , or makes it Arbitrary . And this is the Independency of Bishops which I deny ; such an Independency as overthrows the unity of the Episcopacy , and consequently the unity of the Church . Nay , I further deny the Independency of Bishops , as that signifies an exemption from all censures in case of Heresie , and Schism , and Idolatry , and such like evil practises ; which does not infer a superior authority of one Bishop over another , but only an authority in the Church to censure such crimes , whoever be guilty of them ; as I have already explained it at large : So that my Notion of the Independency of Bishops , will do no service at all to the Pope or General Council . 5. He proceeds in his charge ; The power of every Bishop in his own Diocess , is not so absolute and independent , but that he is bound to preserve the unity of the Episcopacy , and to live in Communion with his Collegues and fellow Bishops ; for this is the foundation of Catholick Communion , without which there can be no Catholick Church . This has been accounted for already , and whoever observes , that the reason of all is laid upon the preservation of Catholick Communion , will easily guess , how little this makes for an Universal Power and Empire over the Church . He proceeds , The whole authority of a Bishop , or Council , over other Bishops , is founded on the Laws of Catholick Communion , which is the great end it serves ( and therefore it does not prove a Supreme governing Head over the Church , and therefore they have no proper authority , but only in such matters as concern the Unity of the Episcopacy , or the peace and Communion of the Catholick Church ; This also has been sufficiently explained before . Again , this unity of the Episcopacy , is the foundation of these larger combinations and confederacies of Neighbour Churches ; which make Archiepiscopal or National Churches : For since there is but one Episcopacy , it is highly reasonable , and necessary , so far as it is practicable , they should all act and govern their respective Churches , as one Bishop , with one consent , which is the most effectual way to secure the peace and unity of the Episcopal Colledg , and to promote the edification and good government of the Church . Nay , this unity of the Episcopacy is the foundation of that authority which Neighbour Bishops have over their Collegues in case of Heresy and Schism , or any other notorious wickedness ; for they being Bishops of the Universal Church , have an Original right and power to take care , that no part of the Church , which is within their reach and inspection , suffer by the Heresy , or evil practices of their Collegues . Here is a good long Quotation , if any body knew to what purpose it served . I own the Words , and know not how I could say the same thing better , if I were to say it again . I am still of the same mind , that such Combinations of Bishops for mutuāl Advice and Counsel , is of great benefit and use for the good Government of the Church ; but if he would insinuate , ( as that , if any thing , must be his design ) that these Combinations of Bishops are for the exercise of Authority over their Collegues : this I absolutely deny . They are to advise and consult with each other , not as with superior Governors , who are to determine them , and give Laws to them , but as with Friends and Collegues , of the same Body and Communion ; as I expresly affirm , Vindicat. p. 127. May not Bishops meet together for common Advice , without erecting a Soveraign Tribunal , to determine all Controversies , and make Ecclesiastical Laws , and impose them upon their Collegues , without their own consent ? When though the least , yet it may be the best and wisest part of the Council are of another Mind : Is there no difference between advising with our Equals , and making them our Superiors ? May it not be a very great fault , and very near the guilt of Schism , for a Bishop without any cause , but meer humour and wilfulness , to reject such Rules and Orders of Discipline and Government , which are agreed by the unanimous consent of neighbour Bishops , unless we give a Superior Authority to such Synods over their Collegues ? 6. His next charge is , that the Collegue of Bishops may grant unto some one Bishop a Primacy , for the preservation of Catholick Unity and Communion , who by a general consent may be intrusted with a Superior Power of calling Synods , receiving Appeals , and exercising some peculiar Acts of Discipline under the Regulation of Ecclesiastical Canons . This Sentence he has made up of two places in my Book , above fifty Pages distant , p. 127 and 184 , for he durst not quote either of them entire , and therefore I shall be at the pains to transcribe them both , that the indifferent Reader may judge of them . Vind. p. 127. There are these words , This makes it highly reasonable for Neighbour Bishops , at as great a distance , as the thing is practicable with ease and convenience , as the Bishops of the same Province , or of the same Nation , to live together in a strict Association and Confederacy ; to meet in Synods , and Provincial or National Councils , to order all the Affairs of their several Churches by mutual Advice , and to oblige themselves to the same Rules of Discipline and Worship . This has been the practice of the Church from the very beginning , and seems to be the true Original of Archi-episcopal , and Metropolitical Churches , which were so early , that it is most probable , they had their beginning in the Apostles Days : For though all Bishops have originally equal Right and Power in Church affairs , yet there may be a Primacy of Order granted to some Bishops , and their Chairs by a general consent , and under the Regulation of Ecclesiastical Canons , for the preservation of Catholick Unity and Communion , without any Antichristian encroachments or usurpation on the Episcopal Authority . For ( as I proceed ) This Combination of Churches and Bishops does not , and ought not to introduce a direct Superiority of one Bishop , or Church , over another ; or of such Synods and Councils over particular Bishops : Every Bishop is the proper Governour of his own Diocess still , and cannot be regularly imposed on against his consent . — If a Bishop differ from his Collegues , assembled in Synods , or Provincial Councils , or one National , or Provincial Council differ from another , in Matters of Prudence , and Rules of Discipline , without either corrupting the Faith , or dividing the Church , if we believe St. Cyprian in his Preface to the Council of Carthage , they ought not to deny him Communion upon such accounts , nor to offer any force to him in such matters . In p. 184 , I discoursed much to the same purpose . That for the preservation of Peace and Order in this united Body , or Confederation of Neighbour Churches , one or more Bishops may by a general consent be intrusted with a Superior Power of calling Synods , receiving Appeals , and exercising some peculiar Acts of Discipline , under the Regulation of Ecclesiastical Canons , which is the Power now ascrib'd to Archbishops and Metropolitans . But yet , there cannot be one constitutive Ecclesiastical Regent Head in a National , much less in the Universal Church : not Monarchical , because no one Bishop has an original Right to Govern the rest in any Nation , and therefore whatever Power may be granted him by consent , yet it is not essential to the Being or Unity of the Church , which is one , not by being united under one superior governing Power , but by living in one Communion : Not Aristocratical , because every Bishop being Supream in his own Diocess , and accountable to Christ for his Government , cannot , and ought not , so wholly to divest himself of this Power , as to be in all Cases necessarily determin'd , and over-ruled by the Major Vote , contrary to his own Judgment and Conscience — All the Bishops in a Nation , much less all the Bishops in the World , cannot unite into such a Collegue , as shall by a Supream Authority , govern all Bishops and Churches , by a Major Vote , which is the form of Aristocratical Government , and for the same Reason , a National Church considered as a Church , cannot be under the Government of a Democratical Head , for if the College of Bishops have not this Power , much less has a mixt College of Bishops and People . Thus careful was I to secure the Episcopal Authority from such Encroachments and Usurpations , as it now groans under in the Church of Rome ; from placing the Unity of the Church in such a superior governing Head , whether Primate or Synod ; and now let him make the best he can of this Primacy , which he should have called a Primacy of Order , as I did , and not absolutely a Primacy , which may signifie a Primacy of Power and Authority , which I positively deny he has over any of his Collegues : In a body of Equals , though there is no Superiority , there must be Order ; and therefore some One must have Authority to Convene the Assembly , and to preside in it , and if the Synod see fit , may in some Cases be intrusted with a Superior Power of executing their Decrees , which involves no direct Superiority over any of his Collegues . All that I intended in these Discourses , was to shew , what Power a National or Provincial Synod , Archbishops and Metropolitans might have , upon St. Cyprian's Principles , without encroaching upon the Original and Essential Rights of the Episcopacy ; and those who will allow St. Cyprian's Principles , I believe will confess , that I have truly and fairly stated the Bounds of pure Ecclesiastical Authority : If Archbishops and Metropolitans have a greater Power than this , by the Constitutions and Laws of Princes , since the Church is incorporated into the State , that I meddle not with , for it is not a pure Ecclesiastical Authority , but must be accounted for upon other Principles . Well! but I assert , that Catholick Communion is a Divine Institution , and then the Combination of Churches for Catholick Communion is Divine also ; and thus National Churches , Archbishops , Metropolitans , Primates , are of Divine Institution ; but had our Author transcribed the whole Sentence , every Reader would easily have seen , how little it is to his purpose : The words are these : The Patriarchal or Metropolitical Church-Form is an Ecclesiastical Constitution , ( and therefore certainly not an immediate Divine Institution ) though not therefore accidental ( according to the Phrase of my Dissenting Adversary , ) but Catholick Communion is a Divine Institution , and therefore the Combinations of Churches for Catholick Communion is Divine also , though the particular Forms of such Combinations may be regulated and determined by Ecclesiastical Prudence , which differs somewhat from what we call meer Humane Prudence ; because it is not the result of meer Natural Reason , but founded on , and accommodated to a Divine Institution . So that here is no Archbishop , no Primate , no particular Forms of Combinations of Churches , of Divine Institution ; they are Ecclesiastical Constitutions , which may be regulated and altered by Ecclesiastical Prudence ; but Catholick Communion is a Divine Institution , and therefore that Bishops and Churches should unite , for the preservation of Catholick Communion is Divine , though the particular Forms of such Combinations may be determined by Ecclesiastical Prudence , which is somewhat more Sacred than Humane Prudence , because it is founded on , and accommodated to a Divine Institution . I suppose the Reader is by this time very well satisfied about our Author's Justice in his Quotations , as the Prefacer speaks . 7. He observes , that I teach , that a compliance with the Order , Government , Discipline , and Worship , as well as the Doctrine of the Catholick Church , is necessary to Catholick Communion . For all Christians and Christian Churches are but One body , and are thereby obliged to all Duties , Offices , and Acts of Christian Communion , which are consequent upon such a Relation . The Catholick Church is one Body and Society , wherein all the Members there of have equal Right and Obligation to Christian Communion . This he puts all together as One entire Reasoning , though the parts of it are above three hundred Pages distant , as he owns in the Margin , and belong to very different things , which is a very honest way of Quoting , by which means we may make any Author speak what we please , as the History of the Gospel has been described in Virgil's Verse : The latter part of these words concern the Obligation of all Christians to Catholick Communion ▪ which , what it is , I have already explained : In the former part he would insinuate , that I make it necessary to Catholick Communion , that all Churches should observe the same particular Orders , Forms of Government , Rites and Modes of Discipline and Worship ; and makes me give a very senseless Reason for it , because all Christians and Christian Churches are but one Body , and are thereby obliged to all Duties , Offices , and Acts of Christian Communion , which are consequent upon such a Relation . As if Christian Churches could maintain no Communion with each other , unless they used the same Liturgy , the same Rites and Ceremonies , and were all governed by the same Ecclesiastical Canons ; whereas we know , that all Churches in all Ages , have had peculiar Liturgies , peculiar Rites and Ceremonies , peculiar Fasts and Feasts , peculiar Canons , and Rules of Discipline of their own : as there are in many Cases to this day in the Church of Rome , especially among their Religious Orders . In the place from which he quotes these words , I was Vindicating the Terms of Communion in the Church of England to be truly Catholick : P. 392. There are these words . For the Terms of our Communion are as Catholick as our Church is ; Diocesan Episcopacy , Liturgies , and Ceremonies , have been received in all Churches for many hundred Years , and are the setled Constitution of most Churches to this Day ; and this is the Constitution of the Church of England , and the Terms of our Communion ; and must be acknowledged to be Catholick Terms , if by Catholick Terms he means , what has actually been received by the Catholick Church . After much more of this Argument , I add the words he quotes , That though it be hard to determine , what is in its own Nature absolutely necessary to Catholick Communion ; yet , I can tell him de facto , what is , viz , a Compliance with the Order , Government , Discipline , and Worship , as well as the Doctrine of the Catholick Church : He who will not do this , must separate from the Catholick Church , and try it at the last day , who was in the right . I am content our Dissenters should talk on of unscriptural Terms of Communion , so they will but grant , that the Church of England is no more guilty of imposing unscriptural Terms , than the Catholick Church it self has always been , and when they have confidence enough to deny this , I will prove it , and shall desire no better Vindication of the Church of England , than the practise of the Catholick Church . This is so plain , that I need say nothing more to explain it , that if we will live in Catholick Communion , we must own Episcopacy , Liturgies , Ceremonies , which has been the ancient Government , Worship , Discipline , of the Church , and those who upon pretence of unscriptutural Terms , separate from the Church of England , for the sake of such Catholick Practices , by the same reason must have renounced the Communion of the best and purest , and most Catholick Churches since the Apostles Days . But how far I ever was from thinking , that the particular Rites and Modes of Worship must be the same in all Churches , and that there can be no Communion without this , any man may satisfie himself , who will be pleased to read some few Pages in the Vindication , beginning at p. 372 ; where I shew how impossible it is to maintain Catholick Communion , between distinct Churches , without allowing of such diversity of Rites , which are , and always were practised in different Churches . Thus I have done with our Authour's Quotations , and what Agreement there is between us , the Reader must judge . And now he pretends to draw up my Argument against the Dissenters , which he says proceeds upon Roman-Catholick Principles : But I shall not trouble my self to examine whether my Arguments against the Dissenters were good or no , for I have no Dispute with them now , and will have none ; but if they ever were good , they are not Roman-Catholick Principles , which make them so ; for I have no Roman-Catholick Principle in all my Book . As for what he so often triumphs in , the late King's Paper , I tell him once for all , I will have no Dispute with Kings ; but if he have any thing to say , let him fetch his Arguments , whence he will , without alledging the King's Authority to make them good , and he shall have an Answer . And now from quoting , our Author falls to disputing me into an Agreement , which methinks argues , that we are not agreed , or at least , that I do not know we are ; for what need of disputing , if as the Title of his Book says , we are agreed already , but however , the Dispute is like to be but short , and therefore we will patiently bear it . Now to trace us to St. Peters Chair , he thus begins . For by their making the Catholick Church one Body , one Houshold , one Kingdom , or governed Society , that has a governing and governed Part , they must necessarily be for a Catholick Hierarchy , as what alone is a fit Government for so great a Body Politick ; that is , if the whole Church be one Body Politick , over which there must be one Supream governing Head , then we must acknowledge the Authority of the Pope , or general Council , over the whole Church , which is a demonstration . But if we do not make the whole Church one such Organiz'd , Politick Body , but only one Communion ( as it has appeared , we do not ) then there is no necessity of one Supream Government over the whole Church , but it is sufficient , if the Church be governed by Parts , by Bishops , who have all equal Authority , but agree in the same Communion , and govern their particular Churches by common Advice ; and in this case , there is a governing , and a governed Part , but no one Supream Head. And thus all his reasoning is at an end , for destroy this one Principle , that the whole Catholick Church is one Politick , Organiz'd Body , with one Supream Power over the whole , and there is an end of the Authority , both of Popes , and general Councils . But he will not give up the Cause thus , for says he , Let us therefore a little more clearly observe , what these Church of England Clergy-men affirm , and we shall find their Notion about Church Government , exactly formed according to the Roman Model . Well Sir ! watch us as narrowly as you can , and see the end of it . For ( says he ) they say , there can be no one Catholick Communion , without one Catholick Government : But what does he mean by one Catholick Government ? One superior Power over the whole Catholick Church ? And who ever said this , and where ? We say , that the Unity of the Episcopacy , or the Communion and good correspondency of Bishops , is necessary to preserve Catholick Communion among their several Churches , but we never said , that one Catholick Government , or superior Power over the whole Church is necessary to this end . He proceeds : And that Catholick Unity and Communion may be the more securely preserved , the Combination of Churches , considered as pure Ecclesiastical Societies , into Archiepiscopal and National Churches is necessary : Not absolutely necessary , but highly expedient ; but then our Authour must remember withal , that these Combinations of Churches , are not for a superior Authority and Government over Bishops , but only for mutual counsel and advice , and then let him , make his best of it . And so he will make what he can of it , for he adds . So that the great end of the Combination of Diocesan into Provincial and National Churches , is the preserving Catholick Communion . Right ! remember that , that it is for Communion , not for Government , and all is well : Which cannot be , but by raising the Combination higher , and extending it much farther , even unto Patriarchial , and at last into one occumenical combined Church , for this alone is commensurate to Catholick Communion . Well! suppose then , that all the Bishops in the World could meet together for counsel and advice , as the Bishops of a Province or Nation can , and had just such an Oecumenical , as there are national Primates , what service would this do the Church of Rome ? For here is no Supream Power all this while over the Universal Church , neither Pope nor general Council : Here is no Oecumenical Pastor , no Supream Tribunal , which all the World is bound to obey . For as I have already shown , we do not make a Primate or National Synod , the constitutive Regent Head of a National Church , but only a great Council for mutual Advice ; and therefore were there such an Oecumenical Primate , and Oecumenical Council , yet it would as vastly differ from the Roman Model , as a Council for Advice , and a Council for Government ; as an Oecumenical Head and Pastor , and the President of an Oecumenical Council ; and the Church of Rome is at a very low ebb , if it can be contented with such a Primate , and such a Council as this , which essentially differ from what the Councils of Constance and Basil themselves attribute to Popes and Councils : But besides this , if such an Oecumenical combination of Bishops and Churches cannot be , and there be no need of it to Catholick Communion , then I suppose , our Authour will grant , that the Argument from a National combination of Churches , and a National Primate , to an Oecumenical Combination of Churches , and an Oecumenical Primate , is not good . 1. Then this cannot be , and that for this plain Reason , because all the Bishops of the Christian Church , cannot meet together from all parts of the World , and if they could , they ought not to forsake their Churches for so long a time as such a Journey , and such a Consultation requires : But you 'l say , every Nation may spare some Bishops , to send with full Authority to the Council , as the Representatives of all the rest . This I take to be next to a Moral Impossibility ; I am sure it was never yet done ; there never was such a Council , as had some Bishops in it from all parts of the Christian World. But suppose this could be done , these Bishops , who meet in Council , could represent No-body but themselves , and therefore can make no such Decrees , as by their own Authority shall oblige all the other Bishops , who were not present . For a Bishop is not a representable Person ; He is the Supream Governour in his own Diocess , and cannot , and ought not , to be imposed on without his own consent ; his Trust and Office and Power is Personal , and so is his account ; and therefore he can no more be represented in a Council , than he can at the Day of Judgment : every Man's Conscience and Soul must be in his own keeping ; and therefore can be represented by no Man. Had the Representatives of the Catholick Church , a Divine Authority , superior to all particular Churches and Bishops , to oblige them to stand to their Decrees , as the Church of Rome asserts a general Council has , then indeed some few Bishops chose by their National and Provincial Bishops , to go to the Council , and to Act as the Representatives of such Churches , might have a plenary Authority to debate and determine all Matters in Dispute , whether relating to Faith , or Worship , or Discipline : But such an Authority as this , he knows we absolutely deny , and assert that Councils are only for mutual Advice , and can oblige no Bishops without their personal assent , and this makes it ridiculous to talk of Representatives , in giving and taking Advice , which is a personal Act , and requires every Man 's own Judgment , and his personal Assent . I deny not but it may be of great Use for Christian Princes and Emperors , to summon such Councils as these , as Constantine and other succeeding Emperors did ; for there was no such thing , as what we call a General Council , till Constantine summoned the first Council at Nice . For Christian Princes and Emperors are concerned to encourage and support the true Christian Faith and Worship ; and they are as much concerned not to be misguided in these Matters , which instead of Nursing Fathers , may make them Persecutors of the true Church : And to prevent this , they cannot take a better way , when the Church is divided by Schisms and Heresies , then to summon such a great Council , where the Matters in Dispute may be freey debated ; but I look upon these rather to be Councils of the Empire , than of the Church which have no other Authority , but what either the Imperial Sanctions give them , or what every Church gives them , by receiving their Decrees : And it is evident from Ecclesiastical Story , that the bear Authority of these Councils never put an end to any one Dispute , any farther than they were backed by the Imperial Power ; which is an Argument , that they did not believe in those days , such Councils to be Infallible , or to be the Supream Tribunal of the Christian Church . They were indeed Supream Tribunals , when Princes made them so , but not by any meer Ecclesiastical Authority and Jurisdiction ; If then a Council of Bishops be onely for mutual Advice , and a Council for Advice requires the personal Presence of all Bishops , and though all the Bishops of one Province , or one Nation , may conveniently enough meet together for Advice , yet , all the Bishops of the World cannot ; then I think it is plain , that the Consequence from a National to an Oecumenical Council , is not good . especially , 2dly , Since there is no need of it to Catholick Communion . The Christian Churches maintained a very strict Alliance and Communion with each other , for above Three Hundred Years without it : Catholick Communion was better preserved then , than ever it has been since , which is a demonstration , that such a Supream governing Power over the whole Church is not necessary to Catholick Communnion , for then Catholick Communion could never have been maintained without it ; and yet , thus it was in St. Cyprian's days , who was as Zealous an Asserter of Catholick Communion , as any before or since . In those days , the Bishops of Neighbour Churches frequently met together , to Advise about the general Concernments of the Church , and if any thing hapned , which concerned the Discipline of the whole Church , as it did in St. Cyprian's days , about the case of the lapsed , and rebaptizing those who had been baptized by Hereticks ; they sent their Letters to Forreign Churches , and took their Advice about it , and by this means did more perfectly understand one anothers Judgments and Reasons , and came to a better accord and agreement , than they could have done , had they met in a General Council , consisting onely of some few Representative Bishops . I am sure by this means St. Cyprian says their Decrees were confirmed by all the Bishops in the World ; and Optatus says , that this Catholick Communion was maintained all the World over , by formed and communicatory Letters : It seems , they did not think then , that one governing Head was necessary to Catholick Communion ; and therefore , though Catholick Communion does require the Union of Neighbour Churches into one Combined Church , it does not require such an Union and Combination of all the Churches in the World. Thus I have particularly answered this Author's charge , excepting his vain Repetitions of the same Cavils , without giving any new force or strength to them , and I think any ordinary Reader may see , how far I am from setting up the supream Authority , either of Pope or General Council over the Universal Church , and how impossible it is to graft such consequences upon my Principles , with any shew or pretence of Reason . And now as for his French Popery , let it be what it will , I am unconcerned in it , since I give no Supream Authority neither to Pope nor General Council , and therefore neither agree with the Italian , nor Spanish , nor French , nor any Popery , of what denomination soever . But I must add a word or two about Petrus de Marca , because it seems my Honesty and Credit is very much concerned in this matter , so deeply , that no man ought ever to believe me more ; and though I suppose the Reader sees , what credit he is to give to this Author , yet I must speak at least a good word for my own honesty : and to do that , I must give a brief account of the occasion of my alleadging the Authority of Petrus de Marca I was charged by my dissenting Adversaries , with a Cassandrian design , for setting up , as they apprehended , the Authority of a General Council . For there is not one word , which this Author has objected against me , but what was before objected by the Dissenters , and answered in the Vindication . Now having shewn them their mistake in this Charge , that I had asserted nothing which did infer the Authority of a General Council , as the Supream Regent Head of the Catholick Church , I over and above shewed them how vain this Charge of Cassandrian or French Popery was , though I had given such an Authority to a General Council . For meerly to assert the Authority of a General Council , does not make any man a Papist of no sort whatsoever , unless he assert the Authority of the Pope : for though there be some dispute , whose Authority is greatest , the Popes , or the Councils , yet no man is a Papist , who does not own the Pope to be the Supream and Oecumenical Pastor ; and therefore I having expresly disowned all Authority of the Pope or Bishop of Rome , though I had owned the Authority of a General Council , I could be no Papist , not so much as a Cassandrian or French Papist . So that this is the thing I was to prove , that there is no Papist , but owns the Pope to be the Supream Head of the Church , the Universal and Oecumenical Pastor . This I proved Cassander did ; who asserts , That to the Unity of the Catholick Church , is required Obedience to One Supream Governour , who succeeds Peter in the government of Christ's Church , and in the Office of feeding his Sheep — - and that it is evident from all the Records of the Church , that the chief Authority of the Universal Church has always been yielded to the Bishop of Rome , as Peter's Successor , who sits in his Chair . This I proved also of the Councils of Constance and Basil , That though they decreed the Council to be above the Pope , yet they asserted the Popes Supream Pastorship . That all particular men and particular Churches , are bound to obey the Pope , unless in such matters as are prejudicial to this holy Synod , or any other which is lawfully assembled ; as the Council of Basil expresly teaches . And this was all I undertook to prove of the French Church , That whatever Liberties they pretended , still they owned the Pope to be the Supream Pastor and Head of the Universal Church ; for which I appealed to Petrus de Marca . Let us then consider what is my Fault . Our Author gives us an account , that the French Church teaches , as the Council of Basil did , That though the Pope be greater than particular Churches and Bishops , yet he is not greater than the whole Universal Church ; and that the Authority that is granted him in the Interval of Councils — doth not in the least suppose him to have any Superiority or Preheminence above the Universal Church : whence it is , that whenever from the Ecclesiastical Courts in France , any References , Suggestions , or Consultations , were made to the Pope , if the Popes Rescripts were contrary to the old Canons , the French always looked on it as abusive , and made an Appeal from the Pope called Appellatio ab Abusu , provoking him to the old Canons . Now he says , Dr. Sherlock is bold enough to deny all , and to bring no less person than the learned Petrus de Marca for his Voucher . But where do I deny one word of this , or alledge Petrus de Marca's authority to prove it . I had no occasion to deny this ; for all that I was to prove was , that the French Church did own the Pope to be the Supream Head and Governour of the Church , and that they did so , I proved from Petrus de Marca : Does not then Petrus de Marca say , what I charge him with ? Yes , that he owns : What is my fault then ? Why truly , only that I say , that Petrus de Marca wrote in defence of the Liberties of the Gallican Church : and is not this the Title of his Book ? De Concordia Sacerdotii & Imperii , seu de Libertatibus Ecclesioe Gallicanae : Of the Agreement of the Priesthood and the Empire , or of the Liberties of the Gallican Church . Yes , this he grants ; but the Archbishop was perswaded to add this Title by the Bookseller , to make it sell the better : and I ought to have known for all this , if I had looked any farther than Titles and Margins , that he wrote against the Liberties of the Gallican Church ; and will he say , that I ought to have said so too ? That had been a great piece of modesty indeed , as great as it is in this Author , whoever he be , I am sure very inconsiderable , in comparison of this great man , to charge him with down-right Knavery . For my part , I am of that mind still , that the Archbishop , who was as great a man as that Age bred , did firmly believe , that he had truly stated the Liberties of the Gallican Church , though he differed from some , who had stretched those Liberties very much , to the prejudice of the Roman See ; which the King himself expressed his sense of , when he imposed that task on him of writing this Book , for he charged him to take care , that the Gallican Liberties might suffer no Injury , and that he should let all men see , that these Liberties did not diminish that Reverence , which the French have most constantly maintained for the Roman See above all other Nations ; from whence also we may observe , that the Subject he was to write on by the Kings Command , were the Gallican . Liberties , which was therefore a proper Title for his Book , though he was unwilling to have given it that Title for fear of offending the Court of Rome , as it accordingly hapned ; and he was to take care so to assert the Gallican Liberties , as not to detract from that Reverence , which the French Church , as the King affirms , has always paid to the Roman See. This Province he undertook , and discharged to the abundant satisfaction of that King , who employed him , who was jealous enough of the Gallican Liberties , as far as they were consistent with the Reverence of the Apostolick See : but this work was not so well relished at Rome ; for as the King rewarded him with a Bishoprick for it , so the Court of Rome kept him out of it for several Years ; and one would guess by this Usage he met with at Rome , that they had a very jealous eye on these Gallican Liberties , even as De Marca had stated them . But our Author observes that Baluzius who wrote De Marca's Life , positively affirms , that none amongst the French , no , nor amongst the Spanish and Italian did more eloquently , and with greater Authority of the Ancients , exalt the Roman Chair to a greater height than De Marca did . This Baluzius does not say so absolutely as our Author reports , but adds a Qualification , which he out of his great Exactness in quoting , thought fit to leave out , viz. qui modo intra limites oequi constiterit , that no man who kept within the bounds of Equity and Moderation , ever exalted the Authority of the Roman Bishop more : which argues , that De Marca did not fly so high , as some Flatterers of the Roman Greatness have done , but yet gave him as great Power as any man could honestly give him ; and this I hope he might do without betraying the Gallican Liberties . Tho'as Baluzius observes , the Romans , whose Ears are very tender in such matters , could not bear the Title of his Book of the Liberties of the Gallican Church , for they suspected , that he must be an Enemy to the Ecclesiastical Liberties , who wrote professedly for the Liberties of the Gallican Church , which he brands with a proh nefas ! as a thing ridiculous and absurd . In the same place , Baluzius falls severely upon Faget , who also wrote the Life of De Marca , for making him a Deserter and betrayer of the Gallican Liberties : He gives an Account of the Roman Arts , to perswade him to condemn some parts of his Book , and to insinuate that the mistakes of that Book of Concord were not owing to his own Will and Choice , but to the importunate Commands and Ambition of others ; this Condition he absolutely refused , though it was proposed by Cardinal Barberini as the easiest Expedient to obtain a dispatch of his Affairs at Rome . This he was frequently solicited to , and as constantly refused , firmly resolving while he was in health rather to renounce all Right and Claim to his Bishoprick , than remit any of the Priviledges of the Gallican Church , till at last they taking advantage of a great fit of Sickness , when his mind might be supposed as weak as his Body ; he subscribed a Paper , wherein he recanted every thing in his Book , which was contrary to the Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction and Immunity , as it was taught by the Church of Rome : an account of which Baluz . gives us in his Life , p. 16. 17. From whence it appears , that though De Marca did not so much depress the Pope , nor extend the Gallican Liberties , as some French Lawyers had done , yet he honestly and sincerely maintained with constancy and resolution ( excepting this subscription in his sickness , ) against all the Arts and Solicitations of the Church of Rome , what he thought to be the true Liberties of the Gallican Church ; and this surely was reason enough for me to say , ( as he himself says in the Title of his Book , and as the French King , and the Court of Rome thought he did ) that he wrote for the Liberties of the Gallican Church , how our Author will defend himself for saying that he wrote against them , with any modesty and reverence for the Honesty , Learning and Judgment of that great man , he had best consider : I cannot pretend to understand the Gallican Liberties so well , as to say , who is in the Right ; but I would still prefer the Judgment of De Marca , who was both a great Lawyer and a great Divine , before any of his Adversaries . And yet I was not concerned to judge of this matter , whether De Marca or the Pragmaticks were in the right , where they differ from each other ; all that I alleadged his Authority for , as I observed before , was to prove , that the Gallican Liberties did not exclude the Authority of the Pope , as Christ's Vicar , and St. Peter's Successor in the Government of the Church . This is what the Council of Basil it self owns ; and to deny it , would be an Ecclesiastical Liberty with a witness , but not a Popish , but a Protestant Liberty . This is my Crime , which he says , Ought to be a caution to all Readers , how they take up any thing upon trust from me ; and though I have done nothing to forfeit my Credit yet , I do not desire any Readers should trust me , but see with their own Eyes ; and if they would serve us all so , I know what would become of such Writers as this Author . And he wishes it may be a means to engage me to more modesty , and an abatement of my contemptuous way of writing ( if I write any more ) for the time to come . I perceive he thought , this discovery would have broke my heart for ever ; but I have ventured to write once more , and may do so again , and very modestly too , when I meet with modest Adversaries . I thank God I contemn no man living , but it is a little in my nature to contemn Knavery and Nonsence ; and therefore if our Author tasts a little of it still , I must beg his pardon , for I cannot help it . As for what follows , I have nothing to say to it , it is all a Dispute against the Popes Supremacy , which I like very well ; only I wonder , if he be in good earnest , why the Oath of Supremacy should stick in his teeth . I have only one Request to him , to tell me , which was the Infallible Council , that of Basil , or Trent : for the first subjects the Pope to a Council , the last makes him superior to it ; and it were very strange , if Contradictions should be Infallible . AN ANSWER TO THE Necessity of AGREEMENT Between the Church of England AND THE CHURCH of ROME , &c. BEfore I proceed to Answer his second Section of the Agreement between the two Churches about some of their imposed Terms of Communion , I shall in a few words rid my hands of that terrible Appendix which the Prefacer ascribes to another Author , to prove the Necessity of an Agreement between the Church of England and the Church of Rome , evidenced from the Nature and Constitution of a National Church , Episcopally Established . Thus first they prove , that we are agreed , and then they prove , that there is a necessity we should agree : But what need to prove that we must agree , did they believe , that we were already agreed ? So that this Appendix is indeed a confutation of the Book which he Entitles , An Agreement between the Church of England and Church of Rome : Whereas this proves , that of necessity we ought to agree , if we will be true to our Principles ; which supposes , that whatever our Principles are , we are not yet agreed . How well he has proved our Agreement , I have already shewn , and now shall briefly examine how he proves our Necessity of Agreement . But I must observe by the way , that though the Prefacer does ascribe this learned Piece to another Author , yet he has concealed the true Father : His other Author is a good Roman Catholick , who disputes in good earnest from the Subordination of Pastors in the Church , to prove the Supremacy of an Oecumenic or Universal Pastor ; but the true Author was an Independent Protestant , from whom this honest Romanist borrows every Argument , and almost every word , excepting such little variations as a Papist must of necessity make in an Independent's Writing , without ever confessing his Benefactor , or owning from whence he had it . The Title of the Book is , The Catholick Hierarchie , or the Divine Right of a Sacred Dominion in Church and Conscience , truly Stated , Asserted , and Pleaded . Printed for Sam. Crouch at the Princes Arms in Pope's Head-Alley in Cornhil , and Tho. Fox at the Angel in Westminster-hall , 1681. In the 14 Chap. of which Book , p. 76. being a Digression concerning the Subordination of Pastors ; whoever has the curiosity may find this entire Treatise of the Necessity of Agreement between the Church of England and the Church of Rome , onely with this difference , that the Independent disputes against the Subordination of Pastors by this very Argument , That the Asserting the Subordination of Pastors in the Church , doth by all good consequence infer the Supremacy of an Oecumenical or Universal Pastor . This Popish Plagiary takes his Book , and makes a quite contrary use of it , to prove from the subordination of Pastors , which is and ought to be in the Church , as the Church of England owns , the necessity of owning an Oecumenical Pastor , they both indeed dispute against the Church of England , but the first Author disputes for Independency , the Plagiary for Popery . Now why might not the Independent , had he not had more Wit than his Transcriber , have entitled his Chapter , The Necessity of Agreement between the Church of England and Independents , because they both agree in rejecting an Oecumenical Pastor , and therefore ought to agree in rejecting the subordination of Pastors , which infers an Oecumenical Pastor ; as well as this Author calls it , A Necessity of Agreement between the Church of England and Church of Rome , because they both agree in the subordination of Pastors , and therefore , as he thinks , ought to agree in an Oecumenical Pastor : Nay , he had but served his Independent Authour right , had he stiled it , The Necessity of Agreement between the Independents , and the Church of Rome , because they both agree in this Principle , that if there be a subordination of Pastors , there ought to be an Oecumenical Pastor , which is the nearest Popery of any Principle I know ; for there is nothing to be done in order to this Agreement , but to prove a subordination of Pastors , which is a thousand times easier , than to make good that Consequence from a subordination of Pastors , to an Oecumenical Pastor . But let this Authour make the best he can of his Independent Arguments , and call his Book what he pleases , my business is only to show , that there is no necessity for those , who acknowledge a subordination of Pastors , to acknowledge an Oecumenical Pastor : And before I consider his reasons in particular , I shall make short work with them , and confute them altogether . The querie he proposes to discuss , which he has transcribed verbatim from his Independent Author , is this : Whether the asserting of the Subordination of Pastors in the Church , doth not by all good consequence , necessarily infer the Supremacy of an Oecumenic or Universal Pastor . Now my exception against this , and consequently against all his Arguments , whereby he proves this , is , that I will allow of no consequences to prove an Institution . No man can have the Authority of an Universal Pastor , unless Christ has given it him ; and therefore unless Christ have appointed such an Universal Pastor , there can be none : and to prove by consequence , that Christ has appointed one , when no such Institution appears , is ridiculous . Suppose then , there were as much reason for the Supremacy of an Oecumenical Bishop over all the Bishops in the World , as there is for the Superiority of Bishops over Presbyters , which is all the Subordination of Pastors , that we allow , of which more presently ; yet at most this can onely prove , that there ought to be an Oecumenical Bishop , and that Christ ought to have appointed one ; but it don't prove that there is one : And therefore he , who believes that the Superiority of Bishops over Presbyters is an Apostolical Institution , but can find no such Institution of an Universal Bishop , can never be forced by any reason or consequence , to own such an Universal Bishop . We own the Subordination of Presbyters to Bishops , not from Reason , but Institution ; and does it then hence follow , that we must own the Supremacy of an Universal Bishop , for some pretended Reasons without an Institution ? What is matter of Institution depends wholly upon the Divine Will and Pleasure ; and though all men will grant , that God and Christ have always great reason for their Institutions , yet it is not the Reason , but the Authority which makes the Institution : Though we do not understand the reasons of the Institution , if we see the Command , we must obey ; and though we could fancy a great many reasons why there should be such an Institution , if no such Institution appears , we are free , and ought not to believe there is such an Institution , because we think there are reasons to be assigned why it should be : And thus in our case , though we should not shew why Christ should institute the Apostolical Office and Power ( to which ordinary power Bishops succeed ) superiour to Presbyters , and not institute an Oecumenical Pastor superiour to all Bishops ; though we should fancy that there is as much reason for the one as there is for t'other , yet if there appear to be an Institution of the Superiority of Bishops over Presbyters , and no Institution of an Oecumenical Pastor , we may safely own what is instituted , and deny what is not instituted , what ever parity of reason there is between them . And this , I think , plainly shews that the Church of England may own the Superiority of Bishops over Presbyters , and yet deny any such Officer as an Oecumenical Pastor , because there is an Institution of one , and not of the other . But that our Author ( if we may call a notorious Plagiary so ) may not complain , that we will not hear him , I shall briefly examin , what he says . He begins with explaining what is meant by Church , by Subordination of Pastors , and by an Oecumenical Pastor . 1. As for the first , he distinguishes between a Church and the Church ; A Church is any particular Church ; The Church belongs to the Catholick Church onely . Why so ? is not a Church , though it be a particular Church , the Church of England , the Church of France , the Church of Spain ? The Church of England is not the Universal Church , no more than the Church of Rome , but it is the Church of England : But what he would make of this , I cannot well guess . He says , Men are frighted into Conformity to the impositions of any particular Church , upon supposition that they are the Laws of the Church , i. e. the Catholick Church , as the People do for the most part believe : But I perceive he thinks , that our People in England are as silly as they are in some other places ; but we tell them , and every body of common sense understands without telling , that when we in England exhort them to obey the Laws of the Church , we mean onely the Laws of the Church of England ; and he ought first to have proved , that every National Church has not power to give Laws to her own Members , before he had represented this , as such a meer Scare-crow ; for his distinction between A and The Church , does not prove that a Church , or every particular National or Diooesan Church , if he pleases , has not Authority over her own Members . This he himself dares not deny , and therefore distinguishes between obeying a Church , as the Church , and as a Church ; but though we do grant a difference between the Universal and a Particular Church , yet before he had run down the Authority of particular Churches , he ought to have proved such a Superior Authority in the Universal Church , to which all particular Churches must be Subordinate : But here his Author failed him , and therefore he must of necessity fail his Readers . 2. By Subordination of Pastors he understands the standing of several men in distinct Orders , or Degrees of Office , one above another , or under another in Subordinate Ranks . This he applies to Patriarchates , National , Provincial , Diocesan , Churches ; the Romanists he says never stop till they arrive at the most Catholick Visible Church and Pastor in the World , i. e. an Oecumenical Pastor : The Protestant Prelates and Doctors ( who go not Dr Sherlock's way ) do say , that there are no degrees of Subordination in the ascending part , above a National Church and Pastor . I have already defended my way , which this Author , I find , knows nothing of , no more than he does what is the sense of Protestant Prelates in this matter : and therefore I must tell him , that though we do own a Subordination of Presbyters to Bishops , yet we own no Subordination of one Bishop to another , but do assert with St Cyprian , That all Bishops have originally the same Authority and Power : what the meaning is of Metropolitical and National Combinations of Churches , and how far we are from setting up a National Supream Pastor with a kind of a National Infallibility , as he insinuates , I have already shewn at large : Though I think there never was a more senseless Suggestion , that no Church can exercise any Authority and Jurisdiction , nor punish the Disobedient , without pretending to Infallibility , which would overthrow all Government in the World , unless Princes , and Parents , and Masters be Infallible too : And the reason he gives of it is as absurd to the full ; that its the most unjust and unreasonable thing in the World for me to pretend to force another to believe and practise that which I am not assured to be truth : As if no man could be certain of any thing without Infallibility . Now all his Arguments proceeding upon this Mistake , that we own a Superiority of one Bishop over another , that Bishops own Obedience and Subjection to Archbishops and Primates , and they to Patriarchs ; whereas we own no such thing , but teach , that all Bishops are equal , as I have already explained it ; and that these combinations of Bishops into Archiepiscopal and National Churches , are not for direct acts of Government and Superiority over each other , but for mutual Advice and Counsel : All his Arguments from the Superiour Power of Archbishops , Metropolitans , and Patriarchs , to prove that there must be an Universal Pastor , fall with it . 3. By an Oecumenic Pastor , he means the Universal Visible Ruling Head of the Catholick Organized Church Militant . This is easily understood ; the only difficulty is to prove , that the Catholick Church is such an organized body , as must have an universal visible ruling Head. And thus I come to his Reasons , whereby he proves , that the Subordination of Pastors in the Church , does necessarily infer the Supremacy of an Oecumenick or Universal Pastor : 1. His first Argument is , that there is the same Politick Reason for an Universal Pastor , that there is for any subordinate Pastor , that hath Pastors subjected unto him . Now suppose this were true , we do not sound the original right of Government , of superiority and subjection between the Pastors of the Church , upon any politick Reasons , but only upon Institution ; and therefore though the Politick Reasons were the same , if the Institution be not the same , that makes an essential difference , and spoils all the Arguments from a parity of Reason . The only Subordination we allow of , is the Subordination of Presbyters to their Bishops , and that we found on an Apostolick Institution , and if we will speak in the Ancient Language , this is not the Subordination of one Pastor to another : for none were called the Pastors of the Church in St. Cyprian's days but Bishops , who are the Apostles Successors , to whom Christ intrusted the care of feeding his Sheep . For though Presbyters are intrusted with the care of the Flock , yet they are not compleat Pastors , because they are under the direction and government of their Bishop in the Exercise of their Ministry , and according to Ignatius his Rule must do nothing without him : but Bishops are the Supream Governours and Pastors of their particular Churches , and we allow of no Subordination of Bishops , that is , of Pastors , to each other . This our Transcriber was sensible of , and therefore here he leaves his Copy : The Independent Author gives his first instance in a Diocesan Bishop ruling his Parish Priests or parochial Pastors , the chief end of the said Bishop being Iurisdiction , determination of Ecclesiastical Causes , regulation and ordination of his Clergy , unity , order , uniformity . Now our Popish Transcriber was sensible , that there was not such a Subordination between Bishops , as there is of Presbyters to Bishops , and therefore he changes a Diocesan Bishop into a Provincial Pastor ruling his Diocesan Bishops , and regulation and ordination of his Clergy into regulating Abuses , and Consecration of Bishops . So that he was conscious to himself , that there is not the same politick reason for the Subordination of Bishops to each other , that there is for the Subordination of Presbyters to their Bishops , which is the only Subordination we own , and thus I might dismiss his first Argument . But is there not a Subordination of Bishops to Archbishops allowed and practised in the Church of England , and interwoven with the Constitution of it ; and it this be thought necessary to the unity and good government of a National Church , is there not greater need for a principium unitatis & regiminis , a principle of unity and government in conjoyning many National Churches in one Patriarchal , or all in one Oecumenic , as for uniting Provincials in one Primateship , or for subjecting Diocesans to their respective Provincials ? This is the whole force of the Argument , which I have sufficiently answered already , but shall briefly consider it again . 1. Then I observe , that whatever superiority or jurisdiction Archbishops challenge over Bishops , it is but a Humane Institution ; for all Bishops , with respect to the original Institution of Episcopacy , are equal : and therefore the superiority of Archbishops oven Bishops cannot prove , that Christ has appointed a Supream Pastor over the whole Church , and all the Bishops of it ; for Christ has not made an Archbishop superiour to a Bishop , much less a Pope superior to them all . So that at most , if they proceed upon this Argument , they must quit all pretence to a Divine Right , and confess the Pope to be as very a Humane Creature as an Archbishop is , and then we know what to say to them . 2. For the being and authority of Archbishops , and consequently of such an Oecumenical Bishop , is not necessary and essential to the unity of the Church , as no Humane Institution can be : Christ Instituted his Church , which is but one Church , without Archbishops and Metropolitans , and consequently without an Oecumenical Bishop , and therefore they cannot be necessary to the unity of the Church . For if Christ instituted this one Church in a parity of Bishops , it must be one without such a superiority , as is only of Humane institution . The Church cannot be one without the essential principle of unity , and if an Oecumenical Pastor be this essential principle of unity , then either he must be appointed by Christ , and so his institution does not result from a parity of reason with the Archiepiscopal and Patriarchal Authority , which were not Instituted by Christ , and then this Argument is lost ; or else Christ instituted one Church without the essential principle of unity , which is as great an absurdity as to say , that there can be one Church without a principle of unity . 3. As the Archiepiscopal and Patriarchal Authority is originally of Humane Institution , so it is plain , that before the Church was incorporated into the State , and it may be some time after , it did not give a direct Authority and jurisdiction to one Bishop over another : For St. Cyprian , who was a Primate himself , disowns such an authority , as makes them Bishops of Bishops ; and in St. Ieromes time the Bishop was the highest order in the Church ; and of what place soever they were Bishops , they were all Equal , which is a contradiction , if one had a direct superiority over another ; and therefore such combinations of Bishops ( as I have often observed ) were not essential to the unity of the Church , but were a good prudential means to maintain a strict allyance between Neighbour Bishops , was very useful for mutual advice and council ; gave great authority to Church Discipline , when every particular Bishop , though he had the supreme Authority in his own Church , yet did not act meerly upon his own Head , but with the consent and advise of the whole Province , or Patriarchate , which confirmed the Authority of every Bishop , when those , who were duely censured by their Bishop , saw it in vain to complain to other Bishops , who all observed the same rules of Discipline : and an Archbishop or Primate was very necessary in such combinations , not for unity and government , but for order , as it is in all other Bodies and Societies of men : at least not for any acts of Government over their fellow Bishops , but such as did belong in common to them all , as ordaining Bishops for vacant Sees , or composing such differences as the single Authority of the Bishop could not compose in his own Diocess . 4. I readily grant , that since the Church is Incorporated into the State , Archbishops and Metropolitans have a greater and more direct Authority over their Collegues , as far as the Canons of the Church confirmed by the Supreme National Authority extend : but whatever is more than I have now explained , is not a pure Ecclesiastical Authority , but a mixt Authority derived from the Civil Powers , and this may be greater or less , as the Civil Powers please . All compulsory jurisdiction must be derived from the Civil Powers , because the Church has none of her own , and when the Church is incorporated into the State , as it is very fitting , that the Ecclesiastical Authority should be enforced by the Civil Authority , so those , who have the exercise of this Ecclesiastical Authority , seem the fittest persons to be entrusted with such a Civil Jurisdiction , as is thought convenient to give force to it : which is the true original of that mixt Authority , which the Bishops and Archbishops now exercise by the Canons of the Church , and the Laws of the Land. But though this justifies the Archiepiscopal or Metropolitical Authority over a National Church , yet it is a demonstration , that there can be no such Oecumenical Pastor , as there is a National Archbishop , unless we could find an Universal Monarch too , as well as a King of England , of France or Spain ; for otherwise , whence should this Universal Pastor derive his Oecumenic Authority , unless there be an Universal Prince ? Meerly considered as a Bishop , he has no Superiority or Jurisdiction over any of his Collegues or fellow Bishops ; and he can never have such a Jurisdiction over the Universal Church , as a Metropolitan has over a National Church , unless there be an Universal King to give this Universal Authority to him , as there is the King of England , of France , or Spain , to give such a National Authority to their Patriarchs and Primates : Whereas the Pope of Rome is so far from deriving his Authority from Secular Princes , that he challenges a Superiour Authority over them and their Subjects in their own Dominions : Which shews how senseless it is to infer the Authority of an Universal Bishop or Pastor from the Authority of a National Primate , because they cannot derive their Authority the same way , there being no Universal Monarch to give him such Authority ; and the Bishop of Rome , who alone challenges this Universal Pastorship , is so far from owning such a Title to it , that he assumes an Authority over Soveraign Princes . And therefore though it may be pardonable in an Independent to use such an Argument for the Pope's Authority , I know not how our Popish Plagiary will come off with it ; for it effectually overthrows all pretences to a Papal Supremacy , to derive it from no higher Principle than what gives being to a National Primacy , which is not the Institution of Christ , but the Authority of Soveraign Princes , and Civil Powers ; which the Pope cannot have , and if he could , would think scorn to receive his Power from them : For that would spoil his claim as Christ's Vicar , and St. Peter's Successor ; and they who give can take away too . 5. But setting aside all this , there is not a parity of reason for an Oecumenic Pastor , and a National Primate , neither of them are necessary to the Unity of the Church , which is preserved by the concord and agreement of Bishops , not by such a governing Authority and superiour Power of one Bishop over another : As for Advice and Counsel , such a National combination of Bishops under a Metropolitan , may be of great use , because all the Bishops in a Nation may without any inconvenience meet together ; but there is not the same reason for an Universal Bishop , because all the Bishops in the World cannot meet together in Council with him , as I have already discoursed . And as for some peculiar acts of Authority and Jurisdiction , especially where there is a mixture of the Ecclesiastical and Civil Authority ; this may very prudently be intrusted with a National Primate : But it is both an intolerable grievance , which has been complained of by Roman Catholick Princes and People , that Appeals should lie to Rome , and the Bishops and People of all Nations in the World , be forced to have their Causes heard there ; and it is a derogation from the Authority of Soveraign Princes , to have a Foreign Bishop exercise a superiour Jurisdiction in their own Kingdoms . This I think is sufficient , if men be reasonable , to answer his first Politick Reason for an Universal Pastor . 2. His next Argument is very Comical ; the whole of which he has borrowed also from his Independent Author , though sometimes he ventures upon new Phrases , and new Illustrations , which make it more comical still : He proves , that they that maintain the Government of the Church by Bishops , Archbishops , Primates , &c. must also own and acknowledge an Universal Visible Pastor , from the nature of an Universal Visible Church . This may be true for ought I know ; for who can tell but his &c. which is all he has added to the Original , may include an Universal Pastor ? But his Argument is fallaciously put , ( which I confess is none of his fault , but his Author 's , whom he has honestly Copied ) it should have been this , those who assert the Government of the Church by Bishops , Archbishops , Primates , ( though he should have left out Bishops , as he did in his former Argument , because their Authority is of a distinct consideration from Archbishops and Primates ) from the nature of an Universal Visible Church , must also own an Universal Visible Pastor from the nature of an Universal Visible Church : For if we do not derive the Authority of Archbishops and Primates , from the nature and essential Constitution of the Catholick Church , as it is evident we do not ; how can the nature of the Universal Visible Church , force us to own an Universal Pastor , when it does not force us to own a National Primate ? If there be such a connexion between them that the consequence holds from one to the other , we must own them both for the same reason ; for there is no proportion nor no consequence between things , which have different natures and causes . But let us hear how he proves this : This Church , he says , must be an organized , or unorganized Body , made up of partes Similares onely . Right ▪ the Universal Church is unorganized as to the whole , though made up of organized parts . But this we must not say , for then we spoil his Argument ; and yet he knows that every one , who denies an Universal Pastor set over the whole Church , must , and does , say it . So that the sum of his Argument is this : If you will allow the whole Church to be an organized Body , that is , to be under the Government of an Universal Pastor , then you must own an Universal Pastor ; but if you will not own this , he has nothing to say to you , but that you ought in civility to own it , to make good his Argument . If men will be so perverse as to own particular National Churches to be Organized Bodies , and to deny the Universal Church to be thus Organized , ( as we all do ) then they may own a National Primate , and deny an Oecumenical Pastor ; and if men own the Universal Church to be such an Organized Body , they must own an Universal Pastor , whether they own Archbishops and Primates or not ; and therefore Archbishops and Primates might have been left out of this Argument , because they signifie nothing in it ; and consequently the whole Argument is nothing to his design , to prove that those who own Archbishops and Primates must own an Universal Pastor . Well , but he undertakes for us , that we will not grant , that the Universal Church is an unorganized Body ; because it lays a necessary Foundation , for particular Co-ordinate Churches , Congregational , or Presbyterian : If he had said Episcopal , he had said right , and we know no inconvenience in this to say , that all Episcopal Churches are Co-ordinate , since all Bishops by an original Right are equal . But besides , if the Catholick Church be considered in its largest acceptation and extent , comprehending the Militant and Triumphant Parts , the Scripture tells us , it 's an Organized Body , being called a Body of which the Lord Iesus Christ is the living Head. This is purely his own , for his Author had more Wit than to say it : The whole Church Militant and Triumphant , or the Church in Earth and Heaven , is but one Church , and this one Church is united to Christ , the Head of the Church , and this proves , that the Church on Earth cannot have any other Head , as the Principle of Unity , but only Christ : For the Head of the Church must be the Head of the whole Church , as the Head is the Head of the whole Body : And therefore the Church on Earth , being part of the Church , not the whole ( for the Church in Heaven is the largest , and best part of the Body ) it cannot have a visible Head on Earth , because such a Head cannot be the Head of the whole Body ; for those who say the Bishop of Rome is the Head of the visible Militant Church on Earth , yet never pretended , that he is the Head of the invisible Triumphant Church in Heaven ; now the Church on Earth can never have a Head , which is not the Head of the Church in Heaven , unless we will say , that part of a Body , as the Church on Earth is , may have a Head by it self , which is not Head to the other part of the Body , which is a thing , that never was heard of in the World before , that a Head should be Head only to part of the Body , and not to the whole , when the Body is but one . But what does he mean , when he says , that the Church Militant and Triumphant , is an Organized Body ? What Organization is there in the Church Triumphant ? They are all indeed united to Christ , and so are his Body , but there are no different organical Parts in this Body , no differing Ranks and Offices , that we know of , in the Church in Heaven , no distinction between Clergy and Laity , Prophets and Apostles , Pastors and Teachers there , for these Offices cease with the use of them , and therefore they are not united to Christ in one organical Body , which has different Members , and Offices , in Heaven ; and therefore thô the Church on Earth consists ▪ of such organized Bodies , yet it is not their Organization , which unites them to Christ , for then this would be necessary in Heaven , as well as in Eartth , for the same one Body , and every part of it , must be united to Christ in the same manner , and by the same kind of Union ; and if the Union of the Church on Earth does not consist in its Organization , to be sure , there is no necessity , that the whole Church on Earth should be one organized Body , to make it the Body of Christ. The Organization of particular Churches is for the Edification and good Government of all the Members of it , not immediately for their Union to Christ , and therefore if the whole Church may be edified , and well governed , by the Organization of particular Churches , the Church being called the Body of Christ , cannot prove , that the whole Church on Earth is , one organical Body . But if particular Churches be organized , it 's most natural and fit , that the Mother Teeming Church , should have the most proportionate Adaptation of Parts . A Mother that brings forth organized Children , is supposed to be organized her self . Nihil dat quod non habet : Wherefore all other less comprehensive Churches , coming out of the Womb of Mother Church , and proved to be organized Bodies , it 's naturally necessary , that she her self should be homogeneous , or of same kind , otherwise the Mother must be more monstrous than the Daughters . Here he forsakes his Guide again , and falls into Nonsense . Could he find out a Mother Church , which is none of the Daughters , a Catholick Church , which is distinct from all Particulars , this would be a notable Argument indeed , to prove the Catholick Church to be organized , because particular Churches are ; but if there be no Teeming Mother Church , but what is a particular Church it self , if no Church brings forth Churches , as a Woman brings forth her Daughters , nay if Churches are not brought forth , but Christians , who are afterwards formed into Church-Societies , if all this at best be nothing but Metaphor and Allusion , and that without any real likeness and similitude too , we may safely allow him such kind of Arguments as these , for his organized Catholick Church . Well but now these particular Churches are transformed from Daughters into integral Parts of the Mother Catholick Church , nay , are Daughters and integral Parts too , which constitute the Mother ; and then a Body which is made up of Organized Parts , is always it self Organized , e. g. in all Animals , in a Man the head , hand , legs , &c. are each organized for the compleating the totality of that part ; and therefore are becoming Organs to the whole man , and hence the man is an Organized Body . Now indeed if the whole Church were such a Body as the natural Body of a Man is , and did consist of particular Churches , which did as much differ in their nature , and use , and organization ▪ as the head , and hand , and legs , do in the natural Body ; this were a very notable Argument to prove the whole Church to be an organized Body , consisting of particular Churches , as of integral Parts : But now the Apostle makes every particular Church to be such an organized Body , consisting of all the integral Parts of a Church , a Bishop , Presbyters , Deacons , and faithful People ; and therefore particular Churches are not properly organized Parts of the Catholick Church , as the hands or legs are of a humane Body , which is made up of several other members of a different nature , but as organized wholes , every particular Church being a complete and entire Church , not a part of a Church ; and the Catholick Church is considered as one , not so much by uniting all particular Churches , considered as particular Churches , which is to unite a great many wholes together , to make one whole , which is perfectly unintelligible ; but by uniting the several parts , of which each particular Church consists , into one , they being the same in all ; and this makes one organized Catholick Church , of the same nature and constitution , the same Officers and Members , with every particular organized Church . As for instance : A particular organized Church , as I have now observed , consists of a Bishop , Presbyters , Deacons , and faithful People , and the whole Catholick Church consists of the same Parts , and can have no other ; and yet there are no Bishops , Presbyters , Deacons , Christian People to make up this Catholick Church , but what belong to some particular Churches , and yet particular Churches are not Parts of a Church , but compleat entire Churches , as having all the integral Parts , of a perfect Church , and therefore particular organiz'd Churches cannot make up a whole Church , as the several Parts make a whole Body , because they are each of them a whole ; where then shall we find Bishops , Presbyters , Deacons , People , to make up one Catholick Church ? Now in this case there can be no other Notion of the Catholick Church , but the Union of the same Parts of all particular Churches into One , and then the Union of all these united Parts into one Body , makes the one Catholick Church . As to explain this briefly . St. Cyprian tells us , that there is but one Episcopacy , or one Bishoprick , as I have already shown ; and therefore all the Bishops , who are now dispersed over all the World , and have the Supream Government of their particular Churches , must be reckoned but one Bishop ; for thô their natural Persons are distinct , they are but one Ecclesiastical Person , their Office , Power , and Dignity , being one and the same , not divided into Parts , but exercised by all of them in their several Churches , with the same fulness and plenitude of Power ; and thus we have found out one Bishop for the one Catholick Church , all the Bishops in the World being but one , for thô they are many distinct Persons , they are but one Power , and exercise the same Office , without Division or Multiplication . And thus all the Presbyters in the World , who are under the Direction and Government of their several Bishops , are but one Presbytery of the Catholick Church , for if the Episcopacy be but one , the Presbytery must be but one also , in subordination to this one Episcopacy , the like may be said of Deacons , and of Christian People , that they are but one Body and Communion under one Bishop . Where there is but one Bishop , there can be but one Church , and therefore one Episcopacy unites all Christians into one Body and Communion : How this is consistant with the many Schisms and Divisions of the Christian Church , shall be accounted for else-where . This is a plain intelligible account , how all the particular Churches in the World are but one Church , because all the Parts and Members , which answer to each other in these particular Churches are but one by the Institution of Christ : All their Bishops but one Bishop , all their Presbyters but one Presbytery , all the Christians of particular Churches , but one Body and Communion , and thus the Catholick Church is an organized Body , consisting of the same parts , that all particular Churches consist of : Just as if Five Thousand Men , whose Bodies have all the same Members , should by a coalition of corresponding Parts , grow up into one Body ; that all their Heads , their Arms , their Legs , &c. should grow into one , which would make a kind of Universal organized Body , of the same nature with what every single individual Man has . And that there can be no other Notion of the Catholick Church , as considered in this World , Ethink , is very plain from this , that there is but one Notion of a Church ; and therefore the Catholick Church and particular Churches , must have the very same Nature and integral Parts . If a Bishop , Presbyters , and Christian People , make a particular Church , there must be the very same parts in the Catholick Church , or you must shew us two distinct Notions of a Church , and that the Catholick and particular Churches differ in their essential Constitution : If the Notion be the same , and all particular Churches constitute the Catholick Church , then these particular Churches must constitute the Catholick Church , just as they are constituted themselves , that is , of Bishops , Presbyters , and People ; and therefore all the Bishops of particular Churches , must make but one Catholick Episcopacy , all the Presbyters , but one Presbytery , all the Christian People , but one Body and Communion ; and then the Catholick Church , and particular Churches are exactly the same , one Body of Bishops , Presbyters , and People . And this utterly destroys all subordination between Bishops , for if to the Notion of the Catholick Church , all Bishops must be considered as one , than every Bishop must be equal , for an inferior and superior Bishop cannot be one : And if the Notion of the Catholick Church did require one Supream Oecumenical Pastor , to whom all particular Bishops are subordinate , then the Catholick and particular Churches are not of the same Species , for the one has a soveraign , the other a subordinate Head , and therefore is not a compleat and perfect Church , nor of the same kind with the Church , which has the soveraign Head. And thus I think , I might safely dismiss all our Author's Criticisms , about the several kinds of Totums , which he has transcribed from the Independent Copy , excepting some peculiar Absurdities of his own : For the Catholick Church properly speaking is no Totum at all , with respect to particular Churches , which are not properly Parts of the Catholick Church , considered as particular organized Churches , but the Catholick Church is one Church , by the Union of all the corresponding Parts of particular Churches , which we have no example of , that I know in Nature , nor is it to be expected to find the exemplars of such Mystical Unions in Nature , which depend not upon Nature , but upon Institution , but it may not be amiss briefly to show our Author 's great skill in such matters . He takes it for granted , that the Church Catholick must be some kind of Totum or whole , and therefore undertakes to prove that in all Totums there must be a Subordination of parts , and therefore there must be a Supreme Oecumenical Pastor in the Catholick Church . Now he says , Totum is most legally ( I suppose it should be Logically ) divided into quatenus integrum , and quatenus genus ; such a whole as a Body is , which has all its parts , or such a whole as a Genus is to a Species ; and one of these he thinks the Catholick Church must be : But then his Author minded him , that there was an aggregate whole , such a whole as a heap of Corn is , but he told him also , that this was but a kind of Integrum ; though if this Integrum signifies such a whole as has integrating Parts , the union of which makes the whole , such an Aggregate as has neither any parts nor any union , is a pretty kind of Integrum , but reduction may do great things , and therefore I won't dispute that : but since he has named this Aggregate whole , if any man should be so perverse as to say that the Catholick Church is such an aggregate Body , consisting of all particular co-ordinate Churches ; what would become of his Subordination of Pastors ; for what Subordination is there in aggregate Bodies , in those Grains suppose , which make up a heap of Corn , which are all alike ? The Independent Author foresaw this Objection , but medles not with it , like a wise man who would not conjure up a Devil which he could not lay ; but this Transcriber is bold and brave , and sometimes ventures out of his depth without his Bladders , and then he is usually ducked for it . He tells us , p. 70. That an aggregate whole has integral parts ; which I believe is a new Notion ; for I thought it had been a collection of incoherent things , which had no union nor relation to each other , as parts have to the whole : But how much he understands of this matter , appears from the example he gives , for he takes an Army to be such an aggregated whole ; if he had said a Rout or a Rabble had been such an Aggregate , he had come near the business ; but I fear the King's Guards will not take it well to be thought a meer aggregate Body : But he could find no other Aggregate , wherein there is a Subordination of parts , and therefore an Army must pass for such an Aggregate . But let us consider his Totum integrum , which is a Natural or Political whole , such as the Body of Man , or a Community is , which is made up of several parts , which are integral and essential to its composition . Now according to the right Notion of Subordination , the whole is divided into the next , but greater parts , and they into the next lesser , and they into lesser , or least of all . Well then , let us apply this to the Body of Man , which are the greater and lesser parts , and least of all into which it must be divided : Which are the Superiour , and which the Subordinate Parts in a Humane Body ? There are some indeed which are higher , and others lower in the scituation of the Body ; some more noble and more useful than others ; but there is no Subordination between them , that I know of , but the Soul governs them all , and they have the same care one of another . Indeed Subordination relates onely to governed Societies , which may be divided as he speaks into greater or less , superior or subordinate Parts ; which is another kind of Integrum , such as we call a Community . But suppose this be what he means by his Integrum , not a Natural , but a Political whole ; how does he prove that in every such Integrum , there must be such a Subordination of parts , as at last centers in one Supreme Governour ? For what does he think of Democracies , or Aristocracies ? Who is the Supreme where all are equal ? And should any man say , that all the Bishops of the Catholick Church are equal , without any supreme Head over them , as Democratical or Aristocratical Princes are , how would he be able to confute him from his notion of Integrum ? And therefore the meer notion of an Integrum will not prove such a Subordination of parts , as center in one ▪ supreme Head ; but he must prove that the constitution of the Christian Church is such , as is under the Government of one supreme visible Head. His next Totum is Genericum : His Author had confessed that this does not belong to the Church ; and he confesses it after him in the very same words : This Notion I 'll not further prosecute , because according to the best Logical and Theological Rules , the application of a Genius , doth not so well suit the nature of the Catholick Church , it being more properly an Integrum than a Genus . And yet he would not lose this opportunity neither , to let us see his great skill in Logick : but since they both confess , it is nothing to the purpose , I shall not trouble my Readers with it . 3. He argues from the nature of Subordination it self , of any kind , which always supposes a Supremum & infimum — . And if there be in the Church a Subordination of Pastors , as our Protestant Prelates assert , then there must be a supreme as well as the lowest Term , viz. A Catholick Pastor for the highest range or round of the Ladder , and a Parish Priest , or ( as our Bishops would have it of late ) a Diocesan , for the lowest , the continuation being always to a neplus ultra at both ends of the Line . Which , for ought I see , does as well prove an Universal Monarch , as an Universal Pastor . For he tells us , this holds in any kind of Subordination . We do grant indeed , that there is a Subordination of Pastors in the Church , i. e. that Presbyters are Subordinate to Bishops ; but we say with all Antiquity , that a Bishop , even a Diocesan Bishop , is not the lowest , but the highest term ; for a Bishop is the highest Order in the Church , and all Bishops are of equal Power , and this without any danger of Independency , as I have already shown . 4. His next Argument is from the derivation and original of Pastoral Office and Power . The Sum of which in short is this ▪ that every Pastor must receive his Pastoral Power , from some Superior Pastor , that as Presbyters are ordained by Bishops , so Bishops by their Metropolitans , they by their Primate , and they by the Oecumenical Bishop , from whom they receive the Pastoral Staff. But he forgot all this while , from whom this Oecumenical Bishop must receive his Orders ; and whether those who ordain the Pope , are his Superiors . Such Talk as this might become the Independant well enough , from whom he transcribes it , but is pretty Cant for a Romanist , for whoever has Authority to confer Orders , may certainly confer them , whether he be a Superior or Equal , and therefore he ought to have proved , that none but a Superior can have Authority to confer Orders ; and then he must find a Superior to the Pope , to give him his Oecumenical Power . The Catholick Church has always owned the Power of Order to be in Bishops , who are the highest Order of the Church , and have a plenitude of Ecclesiastical Power , which is the reason why Presbyters cannot ordain without their Bishop , because they are not compleat Pastors , but act in subordination to , and dependance on their Bishops , and therefore have not such a fulness of Power in themselves , as to communicate it to others . 5. In the next place he argues from the chief ends of Subordination of Pastors in the Church , viz. That there may be place for Appeals in matters of Controversie , in Cases of Male-administration by the subordinate Clergy , final Determinations of difficult Ecclesiastical Causes , Correction of Heresie and Schism , as also establishment of Ceremonies . Schism and Ceremonies belong to the next head of Arguments , where his Author placed them , but this Transcriber has not Judgment enough to write after his Copy , but will sometimes venture to alter , thô without sense . But there are as many choice passages in his pursuit of this Argument , as one could wish , which would make one suspect , that the Independent Author himself was a well-wisher to Popery , he disputes so heartily for a last Supream Judge to receive Appeals , and for the Infallibility of such a Judge : But there is nothing more required to answer this Argument , but to give a plain state of this case of Appeals . We must distinguish then between Ecclesiastical Causes , and consider the original Right of Appeals . As for Ecclesiastical Causes , nothing is a pure Ecclesiastical Cause , but what concerns the Communion of the Church , who shall be received into Communion , or cast out of it , or put under some less Censures , which confines this either to Faith or Manners : But as for other causes , which are called Ecclesiastical because they concern Ecclesiastical Things or Persons , such as the repairs of Churches , advowsance of Livings , Tithes , Glebe , Oblations , &c. they are rather of a Civil than Ecclesiastical Cognizance , thô Bishops and Ecclesiastical Persons are entrusted by the Civil Powers with the determination of them ; and in such Matters as these , it is fit , there should lie Appeals , as there do in all other Civil Matters ; but then it is sit also , that these Appeals should be bounded as all other Civil Appeals are , within the Kingdom or Territory , where the cause arises ; for to carry such Appeals out of the Kingdom , is as great an injury to the Authority of the Prince , as to the Liberties of the Subject . A Soveraign Prince has all civil Power and Jurisdiction , and to suffer Appeals to Foreign Bishops or Princes , is to own a Superior in his own Dominions ; and therefore in such matters as these , no Appeal can lie to an Oecumenick Bishop . As for causes purely Ecclesiastical , the Bishop being Supream in his own Diocess , there can be no original Right of Appeal from him , for there is no Appeal from the Supreme : he has a free power in the Government of his own Diocess , and must render an account of his actions to Christ , who is the supreme Lord of the Church , as St. Cyprian tells us . But , as notwithstanding this , it is very expedient , and in some degree necessary , that neighbour Bishops should unite into an Ecclesiastical Body for the maintainance of Catholick Communion , and the exercise of Discipline , as I have already shewn ; so the very nature of such combinations admits and requires Appeals , that if any Presbyter or private Christian be too severely censured by his Bishop , or without just cause , he may find relief from the Synod or Primate , or in whomsoever the power of receiving Appeals is placed : for Bishops are men , and liable to humane Passions and frailties , and it would be impossible to maintain the Authority of Church censures , without such Appeals . For though there be no original right of Appeals from the Sentence of one Bishop to another ; yet every Bishop has authority to receive whom he judges fit , into the Communion of his own Church ; and should one Bishop depose a Presbyter , or Excommunicate a lay Christian unjustly , should they go into another Diocess , if the Bishop of it judged them worthy of Communion , he might receive them into Communion notwithstanding these censures ; for he is Judge in his own Church , as the other was in his . But how contemptible would Ecclesiastical Censures be , if they reached no farther than single Diocesses ; and what dissensions would this create among Bishops , should one receive those into Communion , whom the other had cast out ? Which makes it highly expedient , that neighbour Bishops should be made , not the Judges of their fellow Bishops , or their actions , as it is in superiour Courts , which have a direct Authority over the inferiour , but Umpires and Arbitrators of such differences as may happen between the Bishop and his Clergy , or People ; which will preserve the peace and concerd of Bishops , and give a more sacred Authority to Ecclesiastical Censures : But then these Appeals must be confined to this Ecclesiastical Body , and not carried to foreign Churches ▪ for by the same reason that these Ecclesiastical Bodies and Communions must be confined within such limits as admit of such combinations , of which I have given an account above ; these Appeals also must be confined to the Ecclesiastical Bodies , as St : Cyprian expresly affirms , that the Cause should be heard there where the Crime was committed . Thus we see there is no need of an Oecumenical Pastor to receive Appeals , much less of an Infallible Judge for this purpose ; and thus I might dismiss this Argument , were it possible to pass it over without observing some peculiar strains of Reason and Rhetorick in it . As for Example : That Appeals are to no end , if there be not some Supreme Catholic Pastor to arrive at , in whose determination we are bound to set down and rest satisfied . As if there could be no last Appeal but to a Catholick Pastor , or no man were bound to rest satisfied in any other last Appeal . But I perceive the satisfaction he means , is the satisfaction of having our Cause determined by an Infallible Judge , who cannot Err : Which it may be is the first time a Roman Catholick , for I must except his Independent Original , ever made the Pope an Infallible Judge not onely in matters of Faith , but of all Causes , which are brought before him by Appeals . But why may not the last Appeal be made to any one else , as well as to the Catholick Pastor ? No : the mind of the whole Catholick Church may be had in the Principium unitatis ; but no other National , Provincial , or Diocesan Pastor have the mind of the whole Catholick Church : Which I can make nothing more of , but that the mind of the Catholick Paston is the mind of the Catholick Church ; and therefore the Catholick Pastor , if he speaks his own mind , speaks the mind of the Catholick Church too ▪ He is the Head , and if we will know a mans mind we must resort to the Head , not to the Arms or Legs , where you can onely expect a dumb : kick or box under the Ear , as we have had enough of from our Protestant Prelates : — A Diocesan ; Provincial , or Primate , are but the Churches more surly and less intelligible Organs : ( but Arms or Legs , which give dumb kicks , or boxes on the Ear ) but if you will understand the sense of the Church ▪ you must resort to the Body speaking in the Head , not to the kicking Heels . This is all demonstration , besides the advantages of apt figures , and the elegancies of expression to set it of . Well , the last Appeals then must lie to the Catholick Pastor , because he knows the mind of the whole Church , and is its speaking Head ; whereas Metropolitans and Primates are but dumb , surly , less intelligible Organs , whose mind you can onely understand by kicks , or boxes under the Ear ; which yet I think , is a very intelligible way , though I believe few People love to understand that way : For this reason then , we must go to the Head , that we may understand the mind of the whole Church , for then we cannot Err. But is this Head then Infallible ? Yes , most certainly ! for the pretensions made by the Catholick Pastor to Infallibility , are founded on the Principles of the Episcopal Constitution . For an Episcopal Church ( setled by Subordination of Pastors within it self ) without a Catholick Head , is an Animal without a Head : Which is a pretty strange sort of Creature . In all our Appeals from Pastor to Pastor , from Church to Church , in any Causes or Controversies , if we do not still come to a less Fallible Church , and at last arrive at the most Infallible , comprehensive of our selves as Members , Cui bono hic labor , & hoc opus ? That is , to what purpose do we Appeal from one Fallible Church to another , unless we can at last lodge our final Appeal in an Infallible Church ? So that the reason why we must Appeal to the Catholick Pastor , is that our Cause may be determined by an Infallible Judge , who has the mind of the whole Church : and the proof of the Infallibility of this Catholick Pastor is , that to him must be made the last Appeals , which were to no purpose , if he were not the most Infallible . Thus Infallibility proves the necessity of Appeals , and Appeals prove the necessity of Infallibility ; for one good turn requires another . But still me-thinks there is a little difficulty , why there should be any Appeals at all to a Fallible Judge ? Why should not all Causes in the first instance be brought before the Infallible Judge ? Why must we take such a round by Bishops , Provincials , Metropolitans , Primates , before we come to the Catholick Pastor ; when there can be no satisfaction till we come to the Infallible Judge , and have the mind of the whole Church from him ? And as our Author observes , Cui bono , do men Appeal from one Fallible Creature to another ? If the right of Appeals be grounded on Infallibility , why must we Appeal to those who are Fallible ? To salve this , which is a real difficulty ; our Author would insinuate ( for he is afraid down right to own such an Absurdity ) that there are Degrees of Infallibility , which if admitted we must arise to the highest , but why not go to the highest at first , but rise by Degrees ? If it be granted that a Bishop is less fallible than a Parish Priest , and an Archbishop less fallible than a Bishop , and a Primate than he , upon the same ground we may expect the Catholick Pastor to be less fallible than all the rest . But what a lamentable ground is this for Infallibility ! and what a lamentable . Infallibility is that , which is only being less fallible , than some other fallible Creatures ? But the pleasantest conceit is , that mens Infallibility encreases with their several Orders , and Degrees in the Church , that a Bishop is less fallible , and therefore more infallible than a Priest , and an Archbishop than a Bishop , &c. Now I suppose he will grant , that Infallibility does not result from mens personal Abilities , but is a supernatural Gift , and that Christ never gives any thing less , in such a supernatural way , than absolute Infallibility : And therefore , whatever Infallibility men can challenge , by vertue of a Promise , must be absolute , and absolute Infallibility has no degrees : If then the Infallibility of the Catholick Pastor be founded on a divine Promise , it has no relation at all to the several degrees of Fallibility in other Church Officers ; unless he can show , where Christ has promised several degrees of Infallibility , to the several Orders and Degrees of Ecclesiastical Ministers , and then indeed we may conclude , that he has bestowed the most perfect Infallibility upon the Catholick Pastor , if it be first proved , that he has instituted such a Catholick Pastor . But it is evident , that to be more or less fallible , depends upon mens personal Abilities , Learning , Wisdom , Honesty , and therefore it is a ridiculous thing to say , that every Bishop must be less fallible than a Presbyter , and an Archbishop less fallible than a Bishop , and a Primate than he , unless you can prove , that all Bishops must be wiser , honester , and more learned men , then Presbyters , and Archbishops than Bishops , and Popes than Archbishops and Primates : Which I believe is a pretty hard Task , and yet our wise Author at last resolves the Popes Infallibility into this belief , for it is not to be supposed , that the Catholick Church would commit the greatest Charge to a Person of the least Iudgment and Understanding . So that it seems Infallibility at last is dwindled away into Mens personal Judgment and Understanding ; and thô it may be the Catholick Church might be careful in such a choice , yet we can easily suppose , that Cardinals , who may not be Men of the best Judgments themselves , and may be divided by Interests and Factions , or brib'd with Mony , or over-awed by Power , or influenced by Friendships , may not always choose the wisest Man in the World , and if they did , yet he could be no more infallible this way , than the wisest Man in the World is , who after all is a fallible Creature , as all Men are : and I dare appeal to all sober and considering Roman-Catholicks , whether our Author has not utterly overthrown the Infallibity of the Pope , and all Appeals to him , by what he adds . To what purpose is it for us to betake our selves for further light to those , whom the Church has entrusted with higher Power and larger trust , if we have no reason to judge them , not only to be holyer , wiser , and juster men , than those we appeal from , but less fallible in judgment , and errable in practice ? For I am confident few Roman-Catholicks think their Popes to be the wisest and best Men in the World , and therefore if their inerrability depends upon their Wisdom and Honesty , they cannot think them Infallible neither , and I suspect our Author has no great claim to Infallibility himself , who at this time of day , when the Stories of Popes are so well known , should found Infallibility upon the Wisdom , Holiness , and Justice , of Popes . By this one would guess , that he makes no great matter of the Popes Infallibility ▪ that he has found out such a fallible Foundation for it . He says , that the Oecumenic Pastor in his human Capacity may mistake and Err , and so did St : Peter , but not fundamentally , yet as Supream Head in his Catholick Capacity ( quatenus in Cathedra Catholica , & comparative ) to all inferior subordinate Pastors , he hath a kind of Infallibility , which is a Power intrusted in him by the Catholick Church , to pass a final Iudgment of Determination in all Causes and Controversies , to be a Ne plus ultra to all Appeals and Litigations in the Church . So that in the first place he is not infallible in his human Capacity , and yet he founds his Infallibility on his Wisdom , Holiness , and Justice , which are human and personal Perfections . In his publick Capacity he would have him Infallible in the Chair , but yet it is but a comparative Infallibility , which is none at all : Then his Infallibility is not an Infallibility in judging , but a Power to make a final ▪ Determination , whether it be right or wrong , and any Man might have this Power , as well as the Pope ; especially since he is not entrusted with this Power by Christ , but by the Catholick Church , that is too , only by the Church of Rome , for no other Church entrusts him with it , and thus he quits all Divine Claims to Infallibility , and the Pope is no more Infallible , than the Church can make him , by entrusting him with a final decision of Controversies , at all Adventures . And therefore he adds , We are not bound to believe his Iudgment is infallibly true , but are to subscribe to it , as the last , because we can have no further , and higher Appeal on Earth . That is , we must subscribe to it , whether we believe it true or not , which is an admirable sort of Infallibility . Thus he says , the English Clergy Subscribe the 39 Articles , not that they believe them ( as they commonly say ) to be true and Orthodox , but because they be the last Resolutions of the Church of England , in those Points , they sit down satisfied to subscribe them ▪ as Instrumenta pacis & unitatis , but indeed Maxime emcolumenti , by which what he means , cannot guess , but am very much of his Mind , that upon the same ground ( were there no other reason of Subscriptions ) they may subscribe to the Council of Trent . But this is a Scandal on the Clergy of the Church of England ; we subscribe to the Truth of the Doctrines , and for my part I would not subscribe , did I not think them true ; and this is false with reference to the Church of Rome , which Anathematizes all Persons who do not own , and acknowledge , and believe , all the Articles of the Council of Trent : However Infallibility is at a low ebb in the Church of Rome , when they can exact Submissions and Subscriptions onely upon Protestant Principles , who pretend to no Infallibility at all : I have examined this Argument a little more at large , to make him sensible how dangerous a thing it is to write after an Independent Copy : for had any man intended to have burlesqued Infallibility , ( as possibly his Author , from whom he Transcribes , did ) he could not have done it more effectually , than by such Principles as these . 6. His sixth Argument ( in Catholick Hierarchy the seventh , for he has dropt one from the Nature of the Church , which he made an Introduction of , and there it has been considered ) is , that this Catholick Headship is inseparable from an Ecclesiastical Body , made up of subordinate Pastors and Churches , may be abundantly evidenced from these following enumerated Church necessities . The necessity , 1. Of a Catholick judgment of Schism . 2. Of a Catholick interpretation of Scriptures . 3. Of a Catholick determination of Ceremonies , for order and decency . 4. For a Catholick composure of Forms of Prayer . 5. For a Catholick Canonization of Saints . 6. A Catholick Call and Convention of Councils Oecumenic . Which are Word for Word the Argument of the Independent Author . I shall briefly consider them all . 1. The necessity of a Catholick judgment of Schism . i. e. that there should be some Judges who are Schismaticks , for otherwise , 1. Patriarchal or National Churches may be Schismatical and no competent remedy found for the said Schism . 2. There can be no determination of a Schism from the Catholick Church , nor any proportionate punishment of it : For a Patriarch or National Primate cannot be judicially proceeded against , but by an Oecumenic Pastor ; which I think is the same with the first : for a National Schism must be a Schism from the Catholick Church , or none ; since National Churches among us , depend on no foreign Patriarchs . 3. Because superiour Churches are to judge the inferiour ; no particular Church has an absolute definitive Power in it self , but there lies an Appeal against it to the Catholick Church and Pastor . Which instead of proving , that there is such a Catholick Pastor , supposes that there is one ; for else there can lie no Appeal to him . 4. That particular Churches will never agree about Schism , but the very disputes about Schism , will make Schisms without end . Now , suppose a man should turn the Tables , and prove by this Argument , that there is no Catholick Pastor , nor Catholick Judge of Schism ; because there are , and always have been Schisms in the Christian Church , which it is impossible there should be , did the Church know of such a Catholic Judge : For how could there be any such dispute about Schism , if there were such a Judge ? If you say , that it is the not owning such a Judge , which makes the Schisms : That may be true , but it is true also , that it is a sign the Christian World does not know of any such Judge ; for if they did , they would own him , and put an end to their Schisms : If it be necessary , there should be such a Catholick Judge of Schism , I am sure it is necessary he should be known , or else , as Experience testifies , the disputes about such a Judge , will make more Schisms than such an unknown and disputable Judge can ever end . Now since there either is no such Catholick Judge of Schism , or he is not sufficiently know to all Christians ▪ methinks it proves , that there is no need of such a Catholick Judge of Schism ; for there is as much need ●e should be known , in order to put an end to Schisms , as that there should be such a Judge ; and if the necessity of ending Schisms proves , that there should be such a Judge , I am sure the continuance of Schisms proves as plainly , that he is not known , because he cannot end them . It is ridiculous to imagine , that there should be any such thing as Schism , were there a known Oecumenical Pastor and Judge ; and it is as ridiculous to prove that there is such a Judge , from the necessity of such a Judge to end Schisms , when it is demonstrable from the continuance of these Schisms , that the Christian World knows of no such Judge : And it is very strange , that Christ should appoint such a Judge , and not take care that he should be known . Good Arguments must convince Schismaticks in this World ; and Christ will judge them in the next , and I know of no other Catholick Iudgment of Schism . 2. From the necessity of a Catholick Resolution of difficult and dubious places of Scripture . For the Scripture is not of private Interpretation , and there are great inconveniences in leaving Scripture to the Interpretation of private men , or particular , though National , Churches . But let the inconveniences be what they will , the same Argument returns again , that if there be such an Infallible Interpreter of Scripture , he ought to be known ; and that there are such disputes about the Interpretation of Scripture , proves , that the Christian World do not own such a Catholick Interpreter , and therefore that they know nothing of him . And there is another Argument , that there is no such Catholick Interpreter of Scripture , because we have no such Catholick Interpretation : And what is the Christian World the better for a Catholick Interpreter , if he does not Interpret ? And yet in the Church of Rome it self , we have no Expositions of Scripture , but from private and fallible men : The truth is , the Pope and his Councils have Expounded plain Scriptures to a dubious , difficult , unintelligible sence , but never , that I know of , made any Text easie and intelligible , which was difficult before . To expound Scripture , is to make us understand it , not to impose upon our Faith without understanding ; and therefore this is not so much an act of Authority , as of skill and judgment ; any man , who can so explain Scripture to me , as to make me understand it , shall gain my assent , but no Authority is sufficient to make me assent without understanding . And yet such a Catholick Expositor our Author would set up , whose Authority shall make me grant that to be the sence of Scripture , which his Reasons and Arguments cannot perswade me of . But all reasonable Creatures must understand for themselves ; and Christ no where commands us to believe that to be the sence of Scripture , which we cannot understand to be so . I know no necessity that all Christians should agree in the Interpretation of all difficult Texts of Scripture : there is enough in Scripture plain , to carry men to Heaven , and as for more difficult and obscure Texts , they are for the improvement of those who can understand them , and need no such Catholick Expositor , because it is not necessary that all men should understand them . Most of the Controversies of Religion , especially between us and the Church of Rome , are about Texts of Scripture , easie enough to be understood , and an honest teachable mind ▪ would sooner end our Controversies , than his Catholick Expositor . 3. Another necessity for an Oecumenic Pastor , is , A necessity of a Catholick Determination of Decency and Order : i. e. That the same Rites and Ceremonies , for decency and order , should be observed in all Christian Churches all the World over . Now I know no necessity of this ; and that which is not necessary it self , cannot make an Oecumenic Pastor necessary . De facto , there have been diversity of Rites in the Christian Church in all Ages ; thus it was in St. Augustine's time , as appears from his Epistle to Ianuarius 118 ; and then either there was no Catholick Pastor , or he did not think such a Catholick Uniformity of Rites necessary . None of the Fathers ever condemn such a diversity as this , but exhort all Christians to conform to the innocent Customs and Ceremonies of the Church , where they came , though different from the Customs of their own Church ; which St. Austine tells us in that Epistle , was the Advice of St. Ambrose . And when Pope Victor Excommunicated the Asian Churches for their different Custom in observing Easter , Irenoeus , and other Bishops , did vehemently oppose him in it ; and therefore , either did not believe him to be the Catholick Pastor , or did not think , that the Catholick Pastor ought to impose an Uniformity of Rites upon all Churches . The Decency of Worship is nothing else , but to perform the external acts of Worship in such a manner , as may express our Reverence and Devotion for God : And therefore , since there are no Catholick signs of Decency , there can be no Catholick Uniformity in these matters . The decency of Garments , Postures , Gestures , differ in several Countries ; and so do the Expressions of Honour and Reverence : And therefore such external Rites being onely for external Decency , and having no Sacredness by Institution , may vary with the different Customs and Usages of Countries : We must Worship God in a decent manner ; this all Christian Churches are bound to , and this they do , when they Worship God in such a manner as among them signifies Reverence and Honour . But says our Author , then one Church will esteem this or that thing decent in the Worship of God , which another reckons absurd . Then say I , they are as absurd as Country People are , who gaze at Foreigners , and laugh at their exotick Habits , and think every thing ridiculous , which differs from their own Customs . But this Uniformity is lost in the Catholick Church , where it 's most necessary to be had . An Uniformity in external Rites is not necessary in the Catholick Church , and it may be cannot be had . But why is it necessary there should be uniformity then in particular National or Diocesan Churches ? Ans. Because it is fit and decent , that those who Worship God in the same Assemblies , should Worship him in the same manner , and to do otherwise would contradict the publick decency of the Worship . Every Bishop ( as being the Supreme Governour of his own Church and Diocess ) has Authority to appoint the decent Rites of Worship in it ; and when all the Bishops of a Nation are united into one National Body , they may consent in some common Rites of Worship for the National Church , since the Usages and Customs of the same Nation , the Rules of Decency , and the expressions of Honour and Reverence , are the same , which gives an account , what Churches have this Power to determine the Decencies and Order in Ceremonies ; every Bishop has an original Right to do this for his own Church , but as a National Combination of Bishops , to govern their several Churches by a mutual Consent , is of great use , so when they are united into a National Body , it is much more decent , that they should agree upon an Uniformity of Rites for the National Church ; but there is not the same reason , that this should extend to Foreign Churches , much less to the whole World , both because these Combinations of Bishops are limited to National Churches , and the Customs of different Countries change and vary . 4ly . The necessity of a Catholick Canonization of Saints , for supposing a necessity of a due Observation of Saints Days , which the Church of England hath always insisted on and pleaded for , it is to be enquired , who or what Church Canonized the Saints , &c. The Church of England indeed does observe some Festivals , in commemoration of the Saints , but she needs no Oecumenick Pastor to Canonize them : She observes the Festivals of no Saints , but such as the Christian World acknowledge to be so , without the Popes Canonization : and the use she makes of Saints , needs no Canonization , which is only to bless God for them , and to excite our selves to an imitation of their Vertues ; not to build Temples and Altars to them , or to Worship them with religious Honours as our Mediators and Advocates . This Canonization of Saints was a strange kind of Argument , from a pretended Independent , and it is such an Argument , as I thought at this time of day , a Romanist himself would have been ashamed of : For pray , what Authority has the Church to Canonize Saints , and who gave her this Authority ? Such Consecrations and Canonizations , indeed were in practice in Pagan Rome , and Tertullian sufficiently scorns them for it . He tells us , that there was an ancient Decree , that the Emperor should not Consecrate any God , without the approbation of the Senate , for the Emperor in those days was the Pontifex Maximus , or the Oecumenick Priest. This the Father says was to make Divinity depend upon human Votes ; and unless the God pleases Men , he shall not be a God : how applicable this is to the Canonization of Saints , let our Author judge , and tell me , whether there were any such practice known in the Christian Church , in Tertullian's days . To Canonize a Saint , to be sure , is to Vote him into Heaven ; and if the Oecumenick Pastor has this Authority , he is somewhat more than the Head of the visible Church on Earth , for his Power extends to the invisible Church too . 5ly . The necessity of a Catholick composure of Church Prayers , i. e. That the same Liturgie should be used in all Christian Churches ; which never was practised in former Ages , and no need it should be : We prefer a Liturgie before private and extempore Prayers ; we think it most Uniform , that a National Church should use the same Liturgie ; but if every Bishop , who is the Supream Governour of his own Church , should have a Liturgie of his own , I see no hurt in it , if it be a true Christian Liturgie , and neither corrupt the Christian Faith , nor Worship . When he can give me one wise reason , why the whole Christian World must use the same Liturgie , and that there must of necessity be an Oecumenick Pastor to compose this Liturgie , I will consider it farther . His harangue about our charging Dissenters with Schism , does not relate to this matter : For setting aside the Civil Authority , whereby our Liturgie is confirmed , their Schism does not consist in using another Liturgie , for they use none ; but in separating from the Communion of their Bishop , who has Authority to appoint what Liturgie shall be used in his Church : For the Liturgie being agreed on in Convocation , makes it an Act of the Church , confirmed by the Authority and Consent of all the Bishops , besides the concurrent Votes and Suffrages of the inferior Clergy : And if every particular Bishop have Authority to appoint , what Form of Prayer shall be used in his Church , all the Bishops of England may agree in the same Liturgie , and those who deny obedience to their Bishops , and separate from them upon such accounts , are guilty of Schism : But where there is no such subjection and obedience owing , as there is none between particular Bishops , and distinct National Churches , they may make Liturgies and Forms of Prayer for themselves , and are accountable to no Body else for it . 6thly , His last necessity for an Oecumenick Pastor , is , for calling , convening , and dissolving Oecumenical Councils . Now , if there be no such absolute necessity of Oecumenical Councils ; if they may , and have been called by Emperors ; if they may meet together of themselves , by Mutual Agreement , then there is no necessity of an Oecumenical Pastor for this purpose . But such an Assembly , he says , must be a Church Assembly , or else it can claim no Power in the Church , and all Church Assemblies are of right convened by the Pastor of the said Church , in which it is , as in a Diocess , the Clergy is convened by the Authoritative Call of the Bishop . This is the force of his whole Argument , wherein there are two things supposed , which we desire him to prove , 1. That an Oecumenical Council is not for Mutual Advice , but for direct Acts of Authority and Government . 2. That a Council receives its Authority from an Authoritative Call ; when he has proved these two Propositions , his Argument may deserve a new Consideration . AN ANSWER To SECTION II. CONCERNING The Agreement between the Two Churches , about some of their Imposed Terms of Communion , their Ministry , Ceremonies , and Image-Worship . 1. The MINISTRY . HAving answered all their Pretences of Agreement , between the Church of England , and the Church of Rome , concerning one Supream Oecumenical Pastor ; what remains will give me no great trouble , and I shall give my self , and my Readers no more than needs must . 1. The first Agreement is about the Ministry , unto which all are required to submit , which is the same with that of Roman-Catholicks , and maintained by the same Arguments ; that is , concerning the Divine Institution of Bishops and subject Presbyters . Now this charge we own , that we do acknowledge the Divine Right of Episcopacy , and that Presbyters by the Institution of their Office are subject to Bishops ; and if the Roman-Catholicks own this , we agree with them in it ; and so we will in any thing else , that is true , and think it no injury to our cause ; for we do not think our selves bound to renounce what is true , only that we may differ from Roman-Catholicks : and yet the mischief is , that in despight of his Title and design , he will not suffer us to agree with them here , but endeavour to prove , that we do not agree with them . Thus he tells us , 1. Touching the difference there is between a Bishop and a Presbyter , as amongst the Papists some held , that they were of the same order , differing only in degree , and others that they were of distinct Orders ; so among our Clergy ( I perceive our Author has a mind to be a Protestant at last , by his crying our Clergy ) there were some , who in King James the First days , asserted that Bishops and Presbyters were of the same Order , but now it is carried for their being of two distinct Orders ; but what is this to the Agreement of the two Churches , that there are Divines in each Church , which differ about this Point ? If neither Church have determined this , then they agree onely in not determining it ; but if it were the Currant Doctrine in the Council of Basil , that Bishops and Priests are of the same Order , and it be the avowed Doctrine of the Church of England , that Bishops are a distinct and superior Order ; then I think the two Churches do not agree about this Point . And our Author himself takes care to prove , that we are not agreed : For the Romanists , he says , do not so much stick to the Divine Right of the Episcopal Order , as to hold , that without a Violation of the Divine Law ; a Presbyter cannot be intrusted with the Episcopal Insignia , and ordinary Iurisdiction ; yet , it s the avowed Doctrine of the Church of England , that the giving the Power of Conferring Orders to a Presbyter , is so contrary to the Divine Law , that its ipso facto , null and void ; and in pursuance of this Doctrine , she Re-ordains all those , who have had onely a Presbyter's Ordination , even whilst she is against a Re-ordination . And thus he has himself confuted his first Point , The Agreement of the two Churches about the Ministry , for a disagreement about the Power of Orders , is so concerning a Point in the Ministry , that there can be little agreement after it . This determines the Dispute that Bishops do not differ in Order , but onely in Degree from Presbyters ; for if Bishops by a Divine or Apostolical Institution were a distinct and superior Order , Presbyters could never be intrusted with the ordinary Power and Jurisdiction of a Bishop , such as the Power of conferring Orders is ; much less that a Presbyter should have Power to Consecrate Bishops , and Bishops should be subject to Presbyters , as he affirms of the Abbot of Hy : This overthrows the Essential Constitution of the Ministry , if Bishops are by Institution a Superior Order to Presbyters , that Presbyters should have Authority to Consecrate and Govern Bishops ; and overthrows one of the principal Arguments for an Oecumenic Pastor , as it is urged by our other Author , from the power of conferring Orders which he says cannot be done , but by a superiour Pastor ; and surely Presbyters , though soveraign Abbots , are not superiour Pastors to Bishops , nor to Presbyters neither . And yet the Church of England does not deny , but that in case of necessity , the Ordinations of Presbyters may be valid ; and upon this Principle justifies the Presbyterian Orders of Foreign Churches , while such unavoidable necessity lasts , as I have also done at large in the Vindication , to which this Author so often refers . But the case of Schism is a different thing , and I believe our Author himself , though he grants a Power to the Pope to entrust Presbyters with the power of conferring Orders , will not say , that Schismatical Presbyters may take this Power , or that their Ordinations are valid , if they do . And this is the case between us and our Dissenters , they ordain in a Schism ; and though necessity may make an irregular Act valid , yet Schism will not : And I would desire to know what reason it is for which they Null the Protestant Reformed Ministry ; which , he says , is so much less severe than the Principles of the Church of England . The artifice of all this is visible enough , to heighten and inflame the difference at this time between the Church of England and Dissenters , but in vain is the Snare laid in the sight of any Bird. But that the Reader may better understand the Mystery ; of all this , I shall briefly shew , why the Church of Rome is so favorable to that Opinion , that Bishops and Presbyters are of the same Order , and differ onely in degree : why they allow the Ordinations of Abbots Soveraign , who are but Presbyters , to be both valid and regugular ; that they are exempted from the Iurisdiction of the Diocesan , and have in themselves Episcopal Authority , whereby they can Ordain , Correct , Suspend , Excommunicate , and Absolve ; nay , exercise this Jurisdiction over Bishops themselves , as this Author tells us of the Abbot o Hy : Which will shew , how far we are from agreeing with the Church of Rome about Episcopal Power . The plain Account of which in short is this : That they distinguish their Orders in the Church of Rome , with relation to the Sacrament of the Eucharist : and since the Doctrine of Transubstantiation prevailed , which is such a wonderful Mystery , for a Priest to Transubstantiate the Elements into the Natural Flesh and Blood of Christ ; this is looked upon as the highest act of Power in the Christian Church , and therefore that must be the highest Order , which has the highest Power : and since a meer Priest has this power of Consecration , which is as high an Act , as any Bishop can do : therefore they conclude , that Episcopacy is not an higher Order than the Priesthood , but differs onely in Degrees with respect to the power of Jurisdiction . And the competition between Popes and Bishops , to serve their several Interests , did mightily incline them to favour this Opinion . The Papal Monarchy could never arrive at its utmost greatness , without depressing and lessening the Authority of Bishops ; and therefore aspiring Popes granted Exemptions , Dispensations and Delegations to Presbyters ; that there was no part of the Episcopal Office , but what a Presbyter might do by Papal Delegations , which made Presbyters equal to Bishops , but advanced the Pope vastly above them . When by these Arts , which were often complained of , the Pope's Power grew boundless , and infinite , and it was thought necessary to bring it lower ; it could not be done without calling in the assistance of Presbyters , and allowing them to Vote in the Council : For the majority of Bishops were engaged by Interest and Dependance , to maintain the Papal Greatness ; and therefore if these matters must have been determined by the major Votes of Bishops , there could be no remedy against the Papal Usurpations . For which reason , in the Council of Basil , those Bishops , who were devoted to the Interest of the Pope , and knew they were able to secure the Cause , if none but Bishops might Vote , insisted on this , That according to the Presidents of former Councils , all matters might be determined onely by the Votes of Bishops ; and now the equality of Order between Bishops and Presbyters , was trumpt up to serve another turn , to prove their right to Vote in Councils , to assist those Bishops , who groaned under Papal Usurpations , in some measure to cast off that Yoke , and vindicate their own Liberties . To this original the equality of Order between a Bishop and Presbyter , is chiefly owing in the Church of Rome ; from this Authority the Abbots Soveraign derive their Power , which is a subversion of the Supream Authority of Bishops , has no president , and would never have been allowed , in the Primitive Church ; and therefore as for the Dispute about the Abbot of Hy , what the matter of fact is ( which those learned men , whom he assaults , I doubt not , are able to defend , were there a just occasion for it ) is nothing to our purpose : If it were as he says , it is an intolerable encroachment upon the Episcopal Authority , and void in it self . We who deny Transubstantiation , and disown any such Authority in the Pope , to delegate the Episcopal Power to meer Presbyters , do not , I suppose , very exactly agree with the Church of Rome in this matter . 2. Much at the same rate we agree in asserting the difference between a Bishop and Presbyter , to be of an immediate divine Right : This indeed we do constantly affirm , that the Institution of Episcopacy is by immediate divine Right , but is this the currant Doctrine in the Church of Rome ? That he knew was false , and therefore had no sooner said it , but he unsays it again : For says he , It 's true , that those , who are for the divine Right of the Supream Jurisdiction of the Pope , over the whole Catholick Church visible , do hold the divine Right to be but mediate ( mediante Papa ) but the Followers of the Councils of Constance and Basil , are against the Supream uncontroulable Power of the Pope , and for the immediate divine Right of Episcopacy . And it 's notorious from the Debates in the Council of Trent , that the French , Spanish , and many other Roman-Catholicks stuck to their immediate Divine Right too , and the great reason , why opposition was made in the Court of Rome , against the immediate divine Right of Bishops , was an Opinion that the Supremacy of the Pope could not be secured on the granting it . But Dr. Sherlock has found out a Notion , which will be of great use to them ; for the divine Right of a Primacy is a great step to the Supremacy ; and this the Doctor doth establish consistently enough with the divine Right of Bishops . As for my own Notion , I have sufficiently vindicated that already , from doing any Service to the Pope's Supremacy , and see no occasion to add any thing more here : But I wonder he should pitch upon this instance of the divine right of Episcopacy , to show the Agreement between the two Churches , when he himself is forced to acknowledge , what fierce Debates there were in the Council of Trent about this matter : He says indeed , and that very truly , that the French and Spanish Bishops in the Council , did dispute very vehemently for the divine Institution of Episcopacy , and he knows what a prevailing opposition was made against it : The Pope sent express Orders to the Legates , that whatever they did , they should not suffer that to pass ; Laynez the Jesuit was appointed by the Legates , and Papalins , to make an elaborate Lecture against it . Wherein he asserts , that Christ built his Church upon Peter , whose Name signifies a Stone in the Hebrew and Syriack , and therefore according to the most Catholick exposition , Peter himself is that Rock , whereon Christ built his Church , that the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven , were given to Peter only , and by consequence , Power to bring in , and to shut out , which is Jurisdiction : So that the whole Jurisdiction of the Church , is committed to Peter only and his Successors . And if the Bishops had received any Jurisdiction from Christ , it would be equal in all , and no difference between Patriarchs , Archbishops and Bishops ; neither could the Pope meddle with that Authority , to diminish , or take it all away , as he cannot do in the Power of Order , which is from God. That to make the Institution of Bishops , de jure divino , takes away the Hierarchy , and introduces an Oligarchy , or rather an Anarchy . That according to the Order Instituted by Christ , the Apostles were ordained Bishops , not by Christ , but by St Peter , receiving Jurisdiction from him only , or if they were ordained by Christ , Christ only prevented St. Peter's Office for that one time . That the Bishops are Ordinaries , because by the Pope's Law , they are made a Dignity of perpetual Succession in the Church . That Councils themselves had no Authority but from the Pope ; for if every particular Bishop in Council may Err , it cannot be denyed , that they may all Err together , and if the Authority of the Council , proceeded from the Authority of Bishops , it could never be called General ; because the number of the Assistants is always incomparably less than that of the Absent . With much more to this purpose , which is all full and home to the point , which as the Bishop of Paris observed in his Censure of it , makes but one Bishop Instituted by Christ , and the others not to have any Authority but dependant from him , which is as much as to say , that there is but one Bishop , and the others are his Vicars , to be removed at his pleasure . Whatever Opposition was made against this in the Council of Trent , it could never prevail : The Popes Supremacy was advanced in that Council to its greatest height and glory , but the Divine Institution of Episcopacy was dropt , though the whole Council was satisfied , that the Divine Right of Supremacy , and the Divine Institution of Episcopacy were inconsistent : For this Reason , the Pope and Legates , and Italian Bishops opposed the Divine Institution of the Episcopacy , and for the same Reason the other Party so vehemently contended for it ; and then I will leave any man to judge , which of these two Opinions must pass for the Sense of the Council and Church of Rome : We wish with all our Hearts , the Church of Rome did agree with us in the Divine Institution of Episcopacy , which was the Sense of the Primitive Church ; but unless all Parties in the Council of Trent were very much mistaken , the Supremacy of the Pope , as it is Taught by that Council , does utterly overthrow the Divine Institution of Bishops , and make them onely the Pope's Creatures and Dependants . 3. As for his third Head of Agreement about the Hierarchy , which is made up of Archbishops , Bishops , Deans , Prebends , Canons , Arch-Deacons , Chancellors , Officials , Priests , Deacons , &c. This is onely an Ecclesiastical Body of human Institution , for the good Government and Discipline of such Combined Churches ; and alterable again , as the necessities of the Church requires : and yet , there is an Essential Difference between such Protestant National Combinations of Churches , and the Popish Hierarchy ; The first is Independent on any Forreign Powers , is perfect and entire in it self ; The second has an Oecumenick Pastor for it's Head , and derives its Power and Authority from him ; and this is enough to be said about our Agreement in the Ministry . II. The CEREMONIES , OR EXTERNAL WORSHIP . THIS is the next instance of Agreement between the Church of England and the Church of Rome , and any man , who considers the matter , must needs be very much surprized at it . For if the two Churches were so very well agreed about Ceremonies , it is very strange that the Church of England , from the beginning of the Reformation , to this day , has rejected such a vast number of Ceremonies , as were then , and still are , in use in the Church of Rome . And for my part , it is my desire and prayer , that they may always agree so , while the Church of Rome maintains and practises such a corrupt Worship . To make this out , he says , Our first Reformers opposed the Ceremonies of the Church of Rome , upon the same Principles that our Dissenters now oppose the Ceremonies of the Church of England , viz. by this Argument , All Uninstituted Worship is False , Superstitious , and Idolatrous Worship . But the Romish Ceremonious Worship , is Uninstituted . Ergo. And if our Author can shew me any such Argument urged by our first Reformers against Ceremonies , that are meerly for Decency , and Order , and external Solemnity of Worship , I will grant , they argued very ill , and did much worse to retain any such Ceremonies . But if he cannot shew this , as I am sure he can't , then the Reader knows what to judge of him and his Argument too . As for the Controversie between the Church of England and Dissenters about the use of Ceremonies in Religion , it is nothing to our present Dispute ; and though our Author has a mind to revive these Disputes among us , he shall not draw me into it : It is sufficient we dispute against them , and against the Church of Rome , upon very different Principles . Against them we defend the lawful use of indifferent Rites and Ceremonies in Religious Worship , though there be no express command for it in the Word of God , if they serve the ends of Order and Decency , which are expresly commanded . Against the Romanists we never object , that their Ceremonies have no Divine Institution , that they are not commanded , but either , that they are forbid , or that they are so numerous , that they are very burdensom , or that they are abused to superstitious purposes , or that the signification of them is so dark and obscure , that they are of no use in Religion . Which is best expressed in the words of our Church , Concerning Ceremonies , why some be abolished , and some retained . Of such Ceremonies as be used in the Church , and have had their beginning by the Institution of man : ( and therefore our Church , from the beginning , never quarrel'd with Ceremonies , because they had not a Divine Institution ) Some at first were of godly intent and purpose devised , and yet at length turned to vanity and superstition : some entred into the Church by undiscreet devotion , and such a zeal as was without knowledge ; and for because they were winked at in the beginning , they grew daily to more and more abuses , which , not onely for their unprofitableness , but because they have much blinded the People , and obscured the glory of God , are worthy to be cut away , and clean rejected : other there be , which although they have been devised by man , yet it is thought good to reserve them still , as well for a decent Order in the Church , ( for the which they were first devised ) as because they pertain to Edification ; whereunto all things done in the Church , ( as the Apostle teacheth ) ought to be referred . With a great deal more to the same purpose , which every body may see , who will turn to the beginning of his Common-Prayer-Book . And yet I deny not , but our first Reformers might , as we do at this day , condemn all Uninstituted Worship , and condemn several practices of the Church of Rome under that Notion : such as Invocation of Saints , and Worship of Images , &c. but she never took her Ceremonies to be any acts or parts of Worship , but only some Adjuncts and external Circumstances , for the decent and orderly performanee of Religious Worship . And to say , as this Author does , that the Dissenters did at last prove , to the conviction of the Church of England Clergy , that the controverted Ceremonies were parts of external Worship ; and that we were forced to fall in with the Roman Catholick in denying that Uninstituted Worship is False , Superstitious , and Idolatrous : to speak softly is not true . The Dissenters themselves never thought that external Circumstances were parts of Worship , but endeavoured to prove , that our Ceremonies were not meet Circumstances of Worship , but Sacraments ; but I never heard of any Divine of the Church of England , that allowed them to be so , or that thought they had proved it . What the sense of the present Clergy is , may be learned , as from a great many other excellent Books , so especially from The Case of indifferent Things , and The Church of England's Symbolizing with the Church of Rome . Which are in the Collection of Cases , lately Written for the satisfaction of Dissenters , when the Government thought fit for other reasons , to require a vigorous execution of those Laws against them , which had lain Dormant for some time : To show the World at that time , what persecuting Spirits they were of , they used their utmost diligence , both by private Conferences , and publick Writings , managed with all the softness and tenderness , that any Dispute is capable of , to satisfie their Scruples , and thereby to prevent their Sufferings , which could be prevented no other way ; and let our Author try his skill , if he pleases , to find out in those Cases , such an Agreement , as he pretends , between the Church of England , and the Church of Rome , which I believe he may as soon do , as find out that persecuting Spirit in them , he so much talks of , unless good Arguments and soft Words , may pass for a Persecution . But Dr. Covel he says , calls Ceremonies the external Act of Religion : I grant he does so , and I think it a very loose definition of a Ceremony : But then we must consider , that he plainly enough tells us , what kind of Acts of Religion our Ceremonies are , that they are only to make the Act of Devotion to be more Solemn , and that Solemnity is in some measure a necessary adjunct to all publick Service . And if Solemnity be but an Adjunct , and Ceremonies but for Solemnity , they cannot be in a strict Notion Acts of Religion , but Adjuncts of publick Worship . And as he calls them , The Hedges of Devotion , and thô not the principal Points , yet as some of the Fathers call them , the Second intention of the Law , intermediate means not to be despised , of a better and more religious Service . Which plainly enough shows , what distinction he made between Ceremonies strictly so called , and Acts of Worship . And therefore he tells us , that there are Three Acts of Religion , 1. The Internal , which is the willing desire , to give unto God his due Worship and Honour . 2. The External Answering to this , which is no otherwise good or commendable , than that it vertuously serveth to this end 3. The commanded Act , that is the Act of every Vertue ordained by Religion to God's Honour . The Second , which is the external Act , and includes the whole external Worship , he calls Ceremonies , not as Ceremony now signifies , among us , the external Decencies and Solemnities of Worship , but as it was anciently used to signifie all external Worship . And therefore he afterwards distinguishes between these Ceremonies . That , 1. Some were for Iustification , such as the Law commanded — — - in place whereof afterwards sacceeded those that were for Ornament , and to signifie such Vertues as were requisite in those Parties , that rightly used them . These are those Ceremonies , which before he told us , were only external Solemnities , and in some measure necessary Adjuncts of Worship , which are the only Ceremonies in dispute among us , and the Dissenters , which he calls Adjuncts and Solemnities as we do He adds . 3. Some are parts of the immediate Worship , as Sacrifice , Prayer , Adoration , and such like ; some only dispose , as Fasting , austere Living ; some are only Instruments , as Churches , Altars , Chalices , and all those , which religiously being separated , serve only to make the Worship more Solemn , and that Solemnity more Holy. So that thô he calls the whole external Worship , and every thing , that belongs to it , Ceremonies , and Acts of Religion , as having some relation to religious Actions , yet he expresly distinguishes between the Parts of Worship ; and the external Adjuncts and Instruments of it , and therefore does not call our Ceremonies Acts of Worship , as that signifies a part of God's immediate Worship , but in a more lax sense , to include all external Adjuncts and Solemnities of Worship . And therefore the Church of England never had any occasion to justifie her Worship by such distinctions as the Church of Rome has invented of Primary and Secondary , Essential and Accidental , Proper and Improper , Worship , whereby they endeavour to justifie that Worship , they pay to Saints and Angels , and Images ; which we have no use of , because we Worship none but God. And our Author is a very pleasant Man , who would justifie the Worship of Images , under the Notion of Ceremonies : surely the Church of England is not agreed with them here too ; for we know no such Ceremonies as are the Objects of Worship , and that an Image is in the Church of Rome ; we use some indifferent and significant Ceremonies in the Worship of God , but we do not worship our Ceremonies . III. The AGREEMENT ABOUT IMAGE-WORSHIP . THIS will be Answered in a few Words . He forms his Argument from a Passage in the Answer to Papists , protesting against Protestant Popery ; and from another in the Discourse against Transubstantiation , p. 21. and from the Ceremony of Kneeling at the receiving the Lords Supper . The Answerer says , that to pay the External Acts of Adoration , to , or before , or in Presence of a Representative Object of Worship , as Representing is the very same thing In the Discourse against Transubstantiation , it is observed , That the Doctrine of the Corporal Presence of Christ , was started upon occasion of the Dispute about the Worship of Images ; in opposition whereto the Synod of Constantinople , about the Year of Christ , 750. did argue thus : That our Lord having left us no other Image of Himself , but the Sacrament in which the Substance of the Bread is the Image of his Body ; we ought to make 〈◊〉 other Image of our Lord. In Answer to this Argument , the second Council of Nice in the Year 787. did Declare , That the Sacrament after Consecration is not the Image and Antitype of Christs Body and Blood , but is properly his Body and Blood. And then the Church of England has enjoyned Bowing or Kneeling at the Reception of the Lords Supper , for a Signification of our humble and grateful Acknowledgments of the Benefits of Christ therein given to all worthy Receivers ; and for avoiding such Prophanation and Disorder in the Holy Communion , as might otherwise ensue . From these Premises our Author thus Argues . So that Kneeling is Expressive of the inward Reverence of the Heart to Christ , and so is an Act of Religious Adoration ; the Kneeling then before the Sacramental Signs , is the same with Kneeling to them ; Bowing before them , is the same with Bowing to them ; a Worshipping before them , the same with giving a Religious Worship to them . Which sufficiently shews , that in one great Instance the Church of England retains the same kind of Image Worship with the Roman-Catholicks ; and so far are we agreed with them . In very good time ! But there is one thing yet , remains to be proved , which he has conveniently dropt : And that is , That the Church of England owns the Sacramental Bread to be the Image of Christ , and the Representative Object of Worship : This he knew , he could not prove , and therefore says nothing of it , for it does not follow , that , because the Council of Constantinople affirmed , that the Sacramental Bread is the Image of Christ's Body ; therefore the Church of England teaches so : I am sure , that Author say no such thing , and if we should allow it in some Sense to be the Image , as that signifies the Sacramental Figure of Christ's Body ; Does it hence follow , that it is the Representative Object of Worship ? And thus his To , and before , and in Presence , is all lost ; because the Bread according to the Doctrine of the Church of England is no Representative Object of Worship , and therefore we neither Bow To , nor before , nor in Presence of the Bread , as a Representative Object ; and therefore the Answer that Author gave , that we do not Kneel to the Sacrament , but receive it Kneeling , is a very good Answer still . Thus I have considered all his Pretences of Agreement , between the Church of England , and the Church of Rome , which they are as unfortunate at , as they are at Representing : And methinks it Argues some distrust of their Cause , that they dare not down-right defend it , but are forced either to represent it away almost into Protestant Heresy , or to shelter themselves in their Agreement with a Protestant Church ; but the better way is to turn Protestants themselves , and then we will own our Agreement with them . THE END . Books lately Printed for Will. Rogers . THE Doctrines and Practices of the Church of Rome , truly Represented ; in Answer to a Book intituled , A Papist Misrepresented , and Represented , &c. Quarto . An Answer to a Discourse intituléd , Papists protesting against Protestant Popery ; being a Vindication of Papists not Misrepresented by Protestants : And containing a particular Examination of Monsieur de Meaux , late Bishop of Condem , his Exposition of the Doctrine of the Church of Rome , in the Articles of Invocation of Saints , Worship of Images , occasioned by that Discourse . Quarto . An Answer to the Amicable Accommedation of the Difference , between the Representer and the Answerer . Quarto . A View of the whole Controversie , between the Representer and the Answerer ; with an Answer to the Representer's last Reply ; in which are laid open some of the Methods , by which Protestants are Misrepresented by Papists . Quarto . The Doctrine of the Trinity , and Transubstantiation , compared as to Scripture , Reason , and Tradition ; in a new Dialogue between a Protestane and a Papist , the first Part : Wherein an Answer is given to the late Proofs of the Antiquity of Transubstantiation , in the Books called , Consensut Veterum , and Nubes Testium , &c. Quarto . The Doctrine of the Trinity , and Transubstantiation , compared as to Scripture , Reason , and Tradition in a new Dialogue between a Protestant and a Papist , the Second Part : Wherein the Doctrine of the Trinity is shewed to be agreeable , to Scripture and Reason , and Transubstantiation repugnant to both , Quarto ▪ An Answer to the Eighth Chapter of the Representer's Second Part , in the first Dialogue , between him and his Lay-Friend . Of the Authority of Councils , and the Rule of Faith. By a Person of Quality : With an Answer to the Eight Theses , laid down for the Tryal of the English Reformation ; in a Book that came lately from Oxford . Ser - Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A59901-e1290 Vindication of the Defence of Dr. Stillingfleet . p. 281 , &c. Defence , p. 572. Tert. de Bapt. c. 17. Barrow . Supremacy . p. 189 , &c. Quarto . Hieron . ad Marcel . Ep. 54. Vindicat. p. 15. 217. Vindic. p. 162. Ibid. p. 157. Agreement , Pag. 7. Vind. P. 36. See Vindication of the Defence , p. 329 , &c. Episcopatus unus est , cujus a singulis in solidum pars tenetur Cypr. de unitate . See the Defence . p. 208. &c. Unus Episcopatus , Episcoporum multorum concordi numerositate diffusus , Cypr. ad Antonian . Ep. 52. Pam. Quando Ecclesia , quae Catholica una est , scissa non sit , neque divisa , sed fit utique connexa , & cohaerentium sibi invicem Sacerdotum glutino copu . lata . Cytr . Ep. 69. ad Florentium Pupianum . Cypr. ad Ste phan . Ep. 67. Vindic. p. 124 , &c. Episcopi nec potestatem habere potest nec honorem , qui Episcopatus nec unitatem tenere voluit , nec pacem , Cypr. ad Anton. Ep. 52. Agreement . p. 13. Vindic. p. 195. 196. Vindic. p. 396. Maximè cùm jampridem nobiscum & cum omnibus omnino Episcopis in toto mundo constitutis etiam Cornelius Collega noster — decreverit — Cypr. cp . 68. Pam. Cum quo nobis totus orbis commercio formatarum in unâ communionis societate concordat . Opt. l. 2. See Vindicat. p. 131. &c. Cassand . Consult . de pontifice Rom. Agreem . p. 18. &c. Marcae per Archiepiscopum Burdegalensem Regis nomine imperatur , ut adversus ●●nc libellum ( Optati Galli ) scribut , sed ea m●thodo , ne libertates . Ecclesiae ●●llicanae , quas per latus non occultè petebat Optatus , aliquam paterentur injuriam ; quinimo id sedulo ageret , ut omnes intelligerent , libertates illas nihil ●etrahere de reverentia , quae debetur Romanae sedi , quam pr● cunctis semper nationibus 〈◊〉 constantissimè retinuerunt . Baluz . vita Petr. de Mar. Agreement , p. 33. Offendit tamen ( quis crederet ) hic liber Romana ingenia , nullam aliam ob causam ut Marca existimabat , quàm quòd in fronte operis admoneret , hîc agi de libertatibus ecclesiae Gallicanae . Unde Romanis ( quorum aures teneritudine qu●dam plus trahuntur — ) promptum suit sibi persuadere , illum libertati ecclesiasticae adversari , qui de libertatibus ecclesiae Gallicanae ( proh nefas ! ) agebat ex professo . Baluz . in vita Petri de Marca . p 9. Notes for div A59901-e7120 Agreement , p. 61. The Catholick Hierarchy , p. 77. Agree . p. 62. Hierar . p. 77. Agree . p. 65. Hierar . p. 77. Agreem . p. 67. Cath. Hierar . p. 79. Agreement , p. 61. Cath. Hierar . p. 80 , 81. Agree . p. 74. Hierar . p. 83. Cypr. Ep. 55. ad Cornelium . Agreem . p. 77. &c. Cath. Hier. p. 85. &c. Agreem . p. 80. Cath. Hier. p. ●7 . Agreem . p. 81. Cath. Hier. p. 87. Agreem . p. 84. Cath. Hier. p. 89. Vetus trat decr●tum , Ne 〈◊〉 Deus ab Imperatore consecraretur , nisi a Senat● probatus — Apud vos de humano arbitratu Divinitas pe●sitatur , nisi homini Deus 〈◊〉 , Deus nonerit , homo jam Deo propitius esse debebit Tert. Apol. p. 6. Paris , 1664. Agreem . p. 85. Cath. Hier. p. 8● . Agreem . p. 87. Cath. Hier. p. 92. Notes for div A59901-e10430 Agreem . p. 36. Father Paul's History of the Council of Trent , B. 7. P. 570 , &c. Agreem . p. 47. Agreem . p. 50. Covel's modest Examination , c. 6. p. 55. Ibid. p. 56. P. 58. Agreem . p. 48. Answer to Papists Prot. p 81.