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LONDON , Printed by Mary Thompson at the Entrance into Old-Spring-Garden near Charring-Cross : And Sold by Matthew Turner at the Holy-Lamb in Holbourn ; And John Lane at the Corner of Wild-street , 1688· OF THE MOST Holy Sacrament OF THE EUCHARIST· CHAP. II. LET us now speak a little of the Eucharist , if in treating of so great a Subject it may be lawful to say but little . Do not thou , O Lord , leave us , to whom thou hast left thy self ; but restore Sight to the blinded Sectaries , that they may courageously acknowledge this thy Gift , which is so wonderfully great , that they believe it not only above themselves to Receive , but also above thee to Give . For , as nothing more frequently deters the Jews from embracing the Christian Faith , than their being oblig'd to believe in it , that the living GOD , the GOD of Abraham , became Man , led a mortal Life , and died on a Cross : So nothing more offends many of our Sectaries than the Excellency of this Sacrament , whilst they cannot persuade themselves , the Bounty of CHRIST could ever make him stoop so low , as to permit that very Body to be held in the Hands of Priests , and receiv'd by the Mouths of Sinners , which , having been once extended on the Cross , now sits in Glory at the Right-hand of the Father . But there is not , O ye Sectaries , any greater prejudice against you , than the universal Agreement of all Christians in their Belief of the Eucharist at such time , as you first began to appear , and the exceeding great Disagreement amongst your selves in this your Errour . Is it probable , that there was then no Church in the World , which had a right Belief of this Sacrament ? Or must we think , the Spirit of Truth resides in you , who in this so great Affair contest more fiercely with one another , than with Us ? All Christians in the World , Latines , Greeks , Armenians , Abissines and Muscovites , had at that time one and the same Sense of that Sacred Mystery . They all , I say , ( except a few Hussites in Bohemia , who as they were none of Ours , so neither are they Yours , there not being any amongst you altogether of this Opinion concerning the Eucharist ) agreed with Us ( and still do ) that under the Species or Appearance of Bread and Wine the Body and Blood of CHRIST are really Conceal'd ; that there is no Bread , no Wine remaining ; that the Eucharist is therefore to be Ador'd , because there is in it no other Substance but CHRIST himself . But you , O ye Sectaries , were nothing mov'd with this general Consent of Christians . You departed from them all , that is , you resolv'd to be Hereticks . Nor did you all take one way ; but having once left the well known Path of the Church , You wander'd in your own Inventions : So that if any one enquires , what your Thoughts are of the Eucharist , you are fain to tell him a long Story , which in the end wants an Oedipus to unfold it . For so numerous are your Dissensions concerning this Point , that there are reckon'd amongst you above fourty different Opinions , altogether contrary to each other . Nay farther , you do not sufficiently explain , or to speak more truly , do not well understand , what the several Sects amongst you hold . Those of you which follow Luther , confess , that our Lords Body is really contain'd in this Sacrament , though they think withall the Bread still to remain . The Hugonots , English Protestants , and other Calvinists affirm on the contrary , that it is nothing but meer Bread ; because , say they , CHRIST is sitting at the Right-hand of the Father , and therefore cannot be in several places . Others think otherwise ; But these two are the most eminent Opinions amongst you . Let us now see , how absurd they both are . The Lutherans confessing CHRIST's Body to be really present , deny nevertheless , that 't is to be Ador'd . And behold , how excellently they Reason ! For , say they , CHRIST instituted not this Sacrament , that it might be Ador'd , but that it might feed our Souls . Why do they not also say , that Kings and Princes ride a Hunting for Recreation , and not to be Reverenc'd by their Subjects : And that they are therefore mistaken , who , when they meet their King , as he is Hunting , pay him the Respect , due to their Soveraign ? CHRIST was on the Cross , That he might save the Souls of many , and bear the Reproach , which was due to us ; not that he might be there Ador'd . Hadst thou , O Lutheran , been then present , wouldst thou have thought it a Crime to have Prostrated thy self on Earth , and Ador'd him hanging on the Cross. What madness is it in thee , not to Adore CHRIST , wherever he is ; who , wherever he is , is GOD , the Disposer of thy Life , and Judge of thy Soul ? But this Opinion of the Lutherans , which asserts the Bread to remain in the Eucharist , is no less contrary to Scripture , than to the Doctrine of the Primitive Church . For if the Bread and CHRIT's Body were both there , CHRIST would not have said , This , but here , is my Body ; nor yet would he have said , The Bread , but In the Bread , which I will give is my Flesh. And if the Church in the Apostles Time had not believ'd with Us , that there is no Substance of Bread remaining in the Eucharist , St. Justin Martyr would not have written , that this Sacrament , after the words of Consecration are pronounc'd , Is the Flesh and Blood of that Incarnate Jesus ; but that after the Consecration , that Flesh and that Blood are added to the Eucharistical Bread and Wine : Nor yet would St. Cyril of Hierusalem have us'd these words , This which We see , is not Bread , though the taste thinks it to be Bread ; but 't is the Body of CHRIST ; But he would rather have taught Us , that the Bread , which is seen , is Bread , and the Taste not deceiv'd in it ; but that with the Bread is joyn'd CHRIT's Body . Nor do the Calvinists talk more wisely , when they say , that CHRIST's Body is not really present in the Sacrament ; but yet that we are really Partakers of it . An Opinion so Foolish , and so Destructive to it Self , that they themselves understand it not . For tell me , O Sectary , canst thou really receive CHRIST's Body , and CHRIST not be really present ? But thou sayst , He is always in Heaven ; and cannot be in several places at once . Thou then being only on Earth , and he only in Heaven , how can his Body really come to thee ? And when at the same Instant thou Communicat'st at London , another at Geneva , by what Art can it be effected , that ye should be really Fed with CHRIST's Body , if CHRIST cannot be really present in two places at once ? Wilt thou say , that thy Soul by Faith flies up into Heaven , and is there really Fed with this Holy Food ? This is nothing to the purpose . For though thou mayst by Faith , by Thought , by Will mount above the Stars , and Converse in the midst of Heaven ; yet art thou still really on Earth : Nor is any part of thee ; that is , either thy Mind , or Body really in Heaven , there to receive Nourishment . Shouldst thou never so Seriously fix thy Thoughts on Rome , or on Hierusalem ; couldst thou be therefore said to be really at Rome , or in Hierusalem ? It remains therefore , that thou shew , how thy Soul , which ascends not really into Heaven , can be really Fed with the Flesh of CHRIST , unless CHRIST be truly and really on Earth , and there also in many places at one and the same time , since many of you at the very same moment Communicate both in England and France . But thou wilt Reply , thou art indeed ignorant of the manner ; yet certainly knowst , that thou art Fed. Is it so ? If thou knowst not , by what means these things are done , then art thou not sure , but it may be by Transubstantiation . Why then dost thou with so great Boldness and Fury inveigh against it ? But be it , that thou knowst not the Manner ; yet thou at least knowst , that the Manner is such , as may not in Thought and Faith only , but in very Deed , joyn thee to CHRIST's Body , or else thou must confess , that thou dost not indeed receive CHRIST's Body . For thou sayst , that by Faith thou eatest our Lords Body . Now what doest thou mean by these words ? That thou by Faith hold'st and believ'st , Vertue so to flow into thy Soul from the Body of CHRIST , who is in Heaven , that thou art thereby in some sort united to him ? But this , O Sectary , is not really to receive CHRIST's Body , 't is at most to receive it but imaginarily . For that Power , and those Vertues , which thou say'st , flow from CHRIST into thee , are not indeed CHRIST's Body : And thou believest that thou receivest really nothing else . Nor dost thou , I suppose , eat these Vertues . Why therefore to elude the Sentence of the Fathers , who testify , That CHRIST's Flesh and Blood is in very deed receiv'd ; do you make use of such vain Deceits , saying , that you also hold the same ? But if thou say'st , that thou by Faith apprehend'st , and believ'st CHRIST's Body to be really Communicated to thee ; I answer , that this Faith of thine is , even in thine own Judgement , false and ridiculous , as making thee believe , that which is not : Since in thy Opinion our Lords Body is no where but in Heaven , and thou art really no where but on Earth . But because thou frequently appeal'st to the Scriptures , come and let us hear , what they say . In St. Matthew ( Chap. xxvi . ) our Saviour says , This is my Body , this is my Blood : In St. Mark ( Chap. xiv . ) This is my Body , this is my Blood : In St. Luke ( Chap. xxii . ) This is my Body ; this is the Chalice of the New Testament in my Blood : In St. John ( Chap. vi . ) Vnless ye shall eat the Flesh of the Son of Man , and drink his Blood , ye shall not have Life in you : And St. Paul in his first Epistle to the Corinthians ( ch . xi . ) pronounces him who comes unworthily to the Eucharist , Guilty of the Body and Blood of our Lord. These are plain Words , no perplex'd Testimonies , nor things mention'd but once . 〈◊〉 which being clearly vanquish'd , you presently fly to 〈◊〉 ●xposition ; whereas , when any thing seems to fav●● you , ye stick close to the letter , refuse all Interpretation , and cry out , we must adhere to the Word of GOD. As if you were the sole Judges , and had Authority , at your pleasure , one while to decide by the bare Text of Scripture , without admitting any Expositor ; and soon after to appeal to Interpretations , and those only of your own Invention . But come on : What do you object against us ? Arguments you say , taken out of the Scriptures . First , that the Eucharist is sometimes in the Scripture call'd Bread and Wine . Next , that CHRIST said in St. John ( chap. vi . ) It is the Spirit that quickneth , the Flesh profiteth nothing . The words , which I have spoken unto you , are Spirit and Life . Lastly , That CHRIST sits at the Right-hand of the Father , and shall come from thence to Judge the quick and the dead . But I answer , that these words are more obscure , than those you would have explain'd by them , to wit , This is my Body ; my Flesh is Meat indeed . Now what kind of Philosophy is this , to explain one Obscurity by a greater ; or , that I may speak more truly , to gather the Sense of a clear place from a dark one ? But what , if we should say , that these Places , you object against us , are to be interpreted by those , we have alledg'd ? What if we deny , that you have any more Right to expound them , than we ? You bring only doubtful Arguments , and such , as will be turn'd upon your selves . Nor will it be any great labour briefly to solve them all . The Eucharist , you say , is in the Scriptures call'd Bread and Wine . Therefore the Scriptures , you say , acknowledge Bread and Wine to be truly in that Sacrament . Proceed , Sectary , and by the same Argument more closely press us in this manner . The Catholicks in their Discourses and Prayers frequently call the Eucharist Bread : They believe therefore , that there is in it true Bread ; and not only our Lords Body . Is not the reason and strength of the Argument the same ? Why will you rather make the Scriptures , when they mention the Eucharist by the Name of Bread and Wine , to assert true Bread and Wine to be therein , than us Catholicks , when we call it by the same Names ? Give me leave therefore thus to retort this Argument upon you . In the Catholick Church we often term the Eucharist Bread and Wine ; and yet believe not any Substance of Bread or Wine to be therein . Therefore it cannot from the Scriptures , using the same Names , be concluded , that they acknowledge true Bread and Wine to remain in it . Lay aside , Sectary , the prejudice of thy Faction , and tell me , whether thou art not more justly overthrown by the same Argument , with which thou assaulted'st us . For , that we often style this Sacrament Bread and Wine , is so well known to those , who live amongst us , that 't were Impudence to deny it , and gross Ignorance not to know it . How often do we desire , that not only the Eating , but the Effect of this Bread may be granted us ? How often do we beg of GOD the Father , that this Bread may be to us not a pledge of Death , but of Glory ? And all this by Similitudes and Figures . Which kind of Speeches you your selves also do not deny to be frequent in Holy Writ . So St. Bernard ( whom none can without blushing deny to be ours ) calls the Eucharist Bread , when in his first Sermon on the sixth Sunday after Pentecost distinguishing Bread into several Species , he says , Moreover the seventh kind of Bread is the Eucharist , because our Saviour says , the Bread , which I give , is my Flesh for the Life of the World. We therefore with the Scriptures call this Sacrament Bread : Both because , as the Natural Man lives by Bread , so does the Spiritual Man by the Eucharist . To signify which , CHRIST commanded it to be made of Bread and Wine , and many of the Fathers by Our daily Supersubstantial Bread , which we are taught to Pray for , understand this Heavenly Food . And also , because it is in the Form of Bread ; but principally because 't was Bread before . For we often call a thing , that now is , by the Name it formerly had . And how often have you heard from our Writers the Example of Aaron's Rod , which , being turn'd into a Serpent , was certainly no longer a Rod , unless you will say , that GOD rather put an Illusion on Pharaoh's Eyes , than by a real Miracle admonish'd him of his Majesty ; and yet even then it was call'd a Rod : to wit , Because it had from a Rod been chang'd into a Serpent : And they all cast down their Rods , which were turn'd into Serpents ; but Aaron 's Rod devour'd their Rods , Exod. Chap. vii . But not to say much against so weak an Argument . The Scriptures call the Eucharist Bread : Be it so . The Antient Fathers have often done the same : And we also do the same . Why then may we not be believ'd to think with those , with whom we speak ? Nor is the Arrow of any greater force , they shoot against us from these words of our Lord : It is the Spirit which quickneth , the Flesh profiteth nothing . For if they will have them simply understood , That the Flesh of Christ profiteth nothing ; I would ask them , why they then say , that our Lord's Body is receiv'd by them in the Eucharist : Nay , why CHRIST said , Vnless ye shall Eat the Flesh of the Son of Man , and Drink his Blood , ye shall not have Life in you . Do they think that CHRIST contradicted himselfe ? Or will they deny it to have been always believ'd in the Church , that CHRIST's Flesh profiteth the Receiver ? They must ever be fain to distinguish between the manner , how our Lord's Flesh , being receiv'd , profits , and how it profits not . They must , to wit , acknowledge , that the Capharnaits hearing CHRIST's Words , fancy'd to themselves some gross , unworthy , and carnal manner , in which he would affirm , he should be eaten : My Flesh so taken , as you in your selves imagine , profits not : I will give my self in a more Noble and Spiritual manner than you believe . and being by you taken for Food , will quicken your Souls . And thus of the manner of taking , and not meerly of the taking it self , did CHRIST say , The Flesh profiteth nothing . Let us now see the Force of your Argument . CHRIST says , His Flesh taken as the Capharnaits fancy'd , will profit nothing : Therefore , say you , it will not profit , being taken in such manner , as the Catholicks believe : But thou must first , O Sectary , prove , that we think , as the Capharnaits did , and that we will not hear the Spirit , which quickens . Now both these are false . The Capharnaits , as is manifest from the Scriptures , had no higher conceit of our Saviours words , than that he promis'd , His Body should be eaten as other Meats ; that it should be divided into parts , taste like Flesh , and being taken Consume . We in a Spiritual quickning Sense believe , that CHRIST is indeed truly and really present in the Eucharist . but after a Spiritual and Incomprehensible manner ; that he is receiv'd by us , whole , inviolate , and never consuming . Thus will there be a mutual agreement between those words of our Lord , by which he asserts , that His Flesh is truly given for Meat ; and those others , by which he shews , that , if you understand this matter Carnally with the Capharnaits , The Flesh profiteth nothing . Now if you deny , that the Flesh of our Lord is any way profitable , you will contradict those words , Vnless ye shall Eat the Flesh of the Son of Man , ye shall not have Life in you . But if you say , that 't is in some manner , but not in that Capharnaitical one , both receiv'd and profitable : This indeed we shall readily grant , but shall withall add , that this Holy manner is in our Church , and that neither these Texts , nor any other , have any thing to the contrary . You say lastly , that the Scriptures often affirm , that CHRIST is , and shall be in Heaven , till he shall come in great Majesty at the end of the World : And that therefore he cannot be on Earth , in the Eucharist , in the Hands of the Priests . The Answer is ready . CHRIST is and shall be in Heaven in that great and visible Majesty till the end of the World. He is not seen publickly by us in that Brightness , nor is he yet so much as Conversant amongst us , to receive those Offices , which may be indeed profitable to a Body . Such , as St. Mary Magdalen perform'd , when she Anointed him , and in respect of which our Saviour said , The poor you have always with you ; but me you have not always . He will not therefore come down from Heaven In the Glory of His Majesty till the calling of all Men to Judgment . But he is often present at our Affairs in another manner , after another Fashion , with lesser State ; he is , I say , often truly and really present with us here on Earth . He appear'd in the way to St. Paul , as he was going to Damascus , and spake to him in the way . So says Ananias to St. Paul ( Act. ix . ) Our Lord JESUS hath sent me , who appear'd to thee in the way , as thou camest . And Barnabas declar'd to the Apostles , How Paul had seen our Lord in the way , and that he had spoken to him . And ( Acts xxxiii . ) Now the night following our Lord , standing by him , said , Be constant , for as thou hast testify'd of me in Hierusalem , so must thou testify at Rome also . And lastly , ( Act. xxvi . ) I am JESUS , whom thou Persecutest . But arise , and stand upon thy feet : For to this end have I appear'd to thee , that I may ordain thee a Minister and Witness of those things , which thou hast seen , and of those things , in which I will appear to thee . And say not , that , 't was an Angel , who having taken CHRIST's shape , appear'd to St. Paul. For to let pass its being distinguish'd in the Acts of the Apostles , when our Saviour or when an Angel appear'd to St. Paul , he himself has in his first Epistle to the Corinthians ( Chap. xv . ) taken away the doubt , where , after he had , to prove CHRIST's Resurrection to them , affirm'd him to have been seen after his rising again by his Apostles and Disciples , he adds , And last of all he was seen of me also , as of an Abortive . Now 't is certain , that this his being seen of St. Paul was not till some years after the day of his Ascension : For St. Paul was a long time a Persecutor , not an Apostle . 'T is certain also , that 't was not an Angel , but CHRIST himself , who thus appear'd to St. Paul : Since he affirms him to have been the same , that was seen by St. Peter and the other Apostles , to assure them of his Resurrection . For sure thou wilt not say , that 't was an Angel , and not our Lord himself , that appear'd to the Apostles during the fourty days , which were between the Pasch and his Ascension . Childish moreover would St. Paul's Argument be , were it thus to be understood , that CHRIST was undoubtedly risen , because he had seen an Angel in CHRIST's Shape . Our Lord was then really present on Earth with St. Paul , and has been so with several other Saints . He is really also present with us in the Sacrament , but cover'd with the Form of a Creature , and under Vails , that conceal the Creator . And do'st thou still say , thou doubt'st , whether the Body , which is in Heaven , can be also on Earth ? Assuredly , Sectary , it can . Our Lord's Body can be at one time in two several places : And if in two , why not in Infinite ? For what hinders our Bodies , that they cannot be at once in several places ? Is it not the condition of our Nature ? But why cannot he , who fram'd our Nature , change also its Laws ? This is the humble Learning , this is the Christian Phylosophy of the Primitive Church . St. Ambrose ( lib. 11 Hexam . cap. 11. ) has this Expression : Since his Word is the beginning of Nature , he may by right assume the giving the Law to Nature , who gave it its Original . And again ( lib. 3. Hexam cap. 11. ) The Word of GOD is the efficient Cause of Nature . But this perhaps thou can'st not sufficiently comprehend : No more indeed canst thou comprehend GOD ; and yet GOD is is not therefore less GOD. If thou measurest the Works of GOD by the extent of thy Understanding , how weak , how obscure , how depending on thy self thou wilt make him ! Thy Strength of Understanding depends on him , and not his Power on thy Understanding . But is there any greater difficulty in granting one Body to be in several Places , than two Bodies to be in one ; or admitting , as the Ppilosophers speak , A Penetration of Dimensions ? The difficulty is altogether equal . Now CHRIST brought his reviv'd Body through Stone , Which was very great at the Door of the Monument , that is , he shew'd , there might be a Penetration of Dimensions , whenever he pleas'd : For the Stone was not roll'd away by the Angel , till St. Mary Magdalen came to Anoint our Lord. Mary Magdalen came , and the other Mary to see the Sepulchre : And behold there was a great Earthquake : For the Angel of our Lord descended from Heaven , and coming roll'd back the Stone , and sate upon it , &c. And the Angel Answering , said to the Women , Fear not you , Mat. chap. 28. After Christ came to his Disciples through close and solid Walls . And when it was late that day , the first of the Sabbaths , and the Doors were shut , where the Disciples were gathered together for fear of the Jews , JESVS came , and stood in the midst , &c. Joh. chap. 20. Again , JESVS came , the Doors being shut , and stood in the midst . Here some of you are not asham'd to pretend certain unworthy Trifles , that CHRIST perhaps came in at the Window , or descended by the Tunnel of the Chimney , or open'd the Doors , which before were shut : An impudent saying , proceeding , if I am not mistaken , from men , who seek to gain Repute by inconsiderate Cavilling . Is it then to no purpose , that we hear these Words so carefully repeated : When the Doors were shut : The Doors being shut ? To what end did St. John use these Words , but to signify CHRIST's miraculous Entrance , at which himself was present ? Why did he not add , that he came in at the Window , or the Chimney , or by opening the Doors , the shutting of which he had so distinctly noted : That he entred then , O Sectary , the Doors being shut , is nothing else , but that he entred against the Laws of Nature through the said Doors . Moreover , says St. Hierom in his first Book against Jovinian , He so entred the Doors being shut , which the Nature of Humane Bodies suffers not : Shall we therefore deny that our Lord and St. Peter had true Bodies , because contrary to Nature they walk'd on the Waters ? St. Ambrose on the four and twentieth Chapter of St. Lukes Gospel has these Words : But St. Thomas had just cause of Admiration , when he saw a Body brought in through Places unpassable to Bodies , all things being shut , and no place broken . And 't was therefore a Miracle , how a Corporal Nature should introduce it self through an in penetrable Body , by an invisible Passage , in a visible appearance , easie to be touch'd , hard to be understood . And in the same place , Though St. Peter believ'd the Resurrection , yet might he be troubled , when he saw our Lord on a suddain with his Body come in upon them into those places , which were incompass'd with lock'd Doors , and close Walls . Nor did CHRIST at his Resurrection only , but at his Birth also shew this Penetration of Dimensions , coming into the World from the Womb of his most Holy Mother without violating the Enclosers of her Virginity . St. Augustin in his two and twentieth Book of the City of GOD ( chap. 8. ) relates to this purpose a famous Miracle , hapening in his time . He says , That Patronia a Carthaginian Matron , had obtain'd from a Jew a certain Ring , which she wore bound to her naked Body with a Girdle for the Cure of her Disease . That , she going afterwards in Pilgrimage to the Relicks of St. Stephen ; the Ring which she wore , fell from her whole and unhurt ; the Girdle to which it was ty'd , remaining whole also ; that the Judaical Remedy might by a Christian Miracle be remov'd from this Woman before she was heal'd through the Martyrs Intercession . He further adds , They believe not this , who believe not , that our Lord JESVS was brought forth without detriment to his Mothers Virginity , and went in to his Disciples the Doors being shut . But let them indeed enquire of this , and if they find it true , believe those . She is a Woman of Quality , nobly Born , nobly Married , and dwelling at Carthage ; The largeness of the City , and the Dignity of the Person will not suffer the Truth to be conceal'd from the Enquirers . The Martyr himself , by whose Intercession she was Cur●d , certainly believ'd in the Son of her , who remains a Virgin ; in Him , who went in to his Disciples , the Doors being shut . These then are the Scripture Histories of our Lords Nativity and Resurrection ; this the Primitive Churches Sense of those Histories ; that two Bodies may , GOD commanding it , be together in the same place ; or , to speak with the Phylosopbers , that there may be a Penetration of Dimensions by the Divine Power . Now 't is certainly no less repugnant to humane Sense and Nature , that two Bodies should be thus together in one place , than that one should be at the same time in many . The difficulty on both sides is not only alike , but the very same . The Church has always acknowledg'd both of them above the force of Nature , but below the Power of GOD , having ever taught her Children , that CHRIST both penetrated the Walls , and is present in the Blessed Sacrament in several places at once . But there are three things , which you , O Sectaries , cannot well digest : The Name of Mass , the Eucharists being term'd a Propitiatory Sacrifice , and lastly the Doctrine of Transubstantiation . The Mass is to you so hateful a Word , that the Hating of it is amongst you a token of Love. And yet , were it not , that I confine my self to that briefness , I began with , it might abundantly be shewn , that this Holy Word has always been us'd to signify the Celebration of the Eucharist . 'T is now about thirteen hundred years , since the time of St. Ambrose , who in his Epistle to Marcellina , says , I began to say Mass : And soon after , I began to Pray unto GOD in the Oblation , that he would help , &c. St. Telesphorus Pope and Martyr , who might for his Age have seen St. John the Apostle , testifies the Mass to have been in his Time , ordaining many things in the Celebration of it : Which very thing the Sectaries themselves confess . For the Magdeburgians in their second Century ( cap. 10. ) blame him for Multiplying Masses , encreasing their Ceremonies , and tying them to a certain time . Behold , how , whilst they unwarily accuse Telesphorus , they acknowledge the Antiquity of the Mass : Confessing even the Name to have been us'd in the very beginning of the Primitive Church . But whatever becomes of the Name , let us consider the thing it self . We say , that the Celebration of the Mass is a Sacrifice truly and properly Propitiatory . You , or rather some of you deny it ; for the more Learned agree , at least tacitly , with us . Isaac Casaubon but few Months before his Death being in the Presence Chamber of the most Serene King of Great Britain , I fell in Discourse with him , as did also another Gentleman , a Courtier , but no Catholick ; whom , were it necessary , I could easily Name . Passing from one thing to another , we hap'ned amongst the rest upon the Eucharist , which I earnestly defending , You need not , ( said Casaubon ) take all this pains , I willingly profess , and do assert it to be manifest from the Rites of the Antient Church , that the Eucharist is a Sacrifice ; and not only a Sacrifice of Praise , as many amongst us would have it , but a Propitiatory Sacrifice ; Sacrificium 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . These were his very Words : Thus did he in two Languages express , what kind of Sacrifice he thought it to be . I was not a little glad to hear him ; whilst the third person , who was present at our Discourse , wondred at this his Opinion , affirming , that he was more startled at these words , than at an hundred Arguments of the Papists . He can testify the Truth of this , being still alive , and daily attending on the King. And he has been so far from being a Catholick , that it cannot be fear'd , he would advantage us by speaking contrary to the Truth . And the Oblation indeed of the Eucharist is so frequently by the Fathers call'd Sacrifice , that the Sectaries no longer dispute with us about the Name ; but only about what is to be understood by it . It cannot , ( says Kemnitius ) be deny'd , that the Antients , when they spake of the Celebration of the Lords Supper , us'd the words Sacrifice , Immolation , Oblation , Host , and Victim ; as also the Verbs to Offer , Sacrifice , and Immolate . Hear therefore , Sectary , but St. Augustin alone , and thou wilt say , that the Church in his Age us'd not these Words as borrowed or Figuratively taken , but understood them in their proper , true and usual Sense ; that the Eucharist is a true Sacrifice , properly so call'd , and Propitiatory not for the Living only , but also for the Dead . He relates therefore in the ninth Book of his Confessions ( Ch. 11. ) that his dying Mother spake thus , Lay this Body any where , let not the Care of it trouble you in the least : This only I desire of you , that when you shall be present at our Lords Altar , you will there remember me . And again , ( Chap. 13. ) he says of her , She thought not of having her Body Sumptuously Bury'd , &c. She commanded us not this , but only requested , that she might be remembred at thy Altar , where she had without one days Intermission constantly serv'd , whence she knew the Holy Victim to be dispens'd , by which the Hand-writing that was against us , is blotted out . He had also before ( Chap. 12. ) said more plainly ; Behold , when her Corps was carry'd out , we went and return'd without Tears . Nor did I so much as weep at those Prayers , we pour'd forth to thee , when the Sacrifice of our Redemption was offer'd for her ; her Body now being plac'd near the Grave , before it was deposited therein , as the Custom there is ; but I was all the day in secret exceeding sad , &c. Thou hear'st now , O Sectary , not only St. Augustin's Mother , not only St. Augustin , but the very Custom and Sense of the Church in that Age. When the Sacrifice of our Redemption was offer'd for her . Here thou hast three things : That the Oblation of the Eucharist is a Sacrifice ; that 't is also Propitiatory . For in vain , or impiously would the Church offer a Sacrifice to our Lord for the Dead , which could not render him Propitious to them . Thou hast lastly , The Church in that Age , wherein , you are wont to say , she was yet Pure , by Publick Consent Praying for the Dead . Hence the Matter is so clear and certain , that the Blindness of those is to be lamented , who refuse so clear a Light. Now what is their Complaint against Transubstantiation ? Does the Word offend them ? Or the Thing , that is signify'd by this Word ? They say , 't is a Popish Fiction , sprung up under Innocent III. in the Lateran Council . To wit , Because Transubstantiation is there manifestly Decreed . Now , I ask , Sectary , if Pope Innocent deliver'd this Faith to us , who deliver'd it to the Greeks ? For certainly they wholly agree with us in this matter . Would they , who have rejected our Communion , who hate the very Name of the Roman Pontifs , have all generally admitted , and inviolably held such a Doctrine , of so great moment , so newly ( as you would have it ) devis'd by the Latins ? But they have not the Word Transubstantiation . What then ? They hold and believe th● Thing . For they believe that the Bread and Wine after Consecration cease to be such , and that instead of them succeed the true Body and Blood of our Lord. Why then may we not believe , that the Roman Church holds still the same Faith , which she held , before the Word Transubstantiation came into use ; when the Greeks at this very day use not the Word Transubstantiation , and yet have in this matter altogether the same Belief with the Romans ? Was not the Holy Trinity believ'd to be Homousian or Consubstantial , before the Word Homousian was ever taken up ? What matter is it , if some Significative Word , lately found out by Divines , be received into use , as long as the thing signify'd by it , was before part of the Christian Faith , though express'd in other Words and Phrases ? Now that the Christians before the time of Innocent the III. had the same Belief of the Eucharist , as we now have , may be easily shewn from approv'd Authors , who preceded Innocent . St. Bernard dy'd fifty years , before Innocent the III. was advanc'd to the Pontificat . Now what can be more express than these words of his in his Sermon on our Lords Supper ? This is truly an Heavenly Favour , this is certainly an abundant Grace , this is surely a super excellent Glory , that a Priest should hold his GOD , and with his Hand give him to others . But left he should repeal these Testimonies by such frivolous Exceptions , as you for the most part use ( pretending , that an universal Darkness had then over-shadow'd all Mankind , and driven them into many and great Errors ) let us go back to those Ages , which were even in your own Judgment uncorrupted . We have already given you not only the Judgment of St. Augustin , but also the Opinion and Practice of the Church describ'd by him : That the Eucharist is a Victim , whereby our Sins are effac'd ; that 't is a Sacrifice ; that 't is a Propitiation , which is offer'd to GOD for the Dead . You require those , that are more Antient than St. Augustin ? St. Justin Martyr the very next Age after the the Apostles in his second Apology to the Emperor , has these Words . As by the Word of GOD our Saviour JESVS CHRIST was Incarnate , and took Flesh and Blood for our Salvation : So we are taught , that by Prayers taken from GOD's Word the Eucharist , by him made Food , with which our Blood and Flesh are through mutation nourish'd , is the Flesh and Blood of that Incarnate JESVS . St. Hilary , who liv'd in the third Age of the Church , says in his eighth Book of the Trinity , There is no room to doubt of the Truth of the Flesh and Blood : For now both by the Profession of our Lord himself , and our own Faith , it is truly Flesh , and truly Blood. St. Gregory Nyssen of the same Age in his Catechetical Oration ( chap. 37. ) We rightly believe , that the Bread , sanctify'd by the Word of GOD , is truly chang'd into the Body of GOD the Word . St. Chrysostom in his two and fiftieth Homily on St. Matthew speaks thus , Why should he disdain to give thee his Body , who did more , that is , laid down his Life for thee ? Let us hear therefore , Priests , as well as others ; how great , how admirable a thing is granted us ; let us hear , I Pray , and tremble , he has deliver'd us Flesh , he has set before us himself Immolated . And St. Cyril of Hierusalem , more Antient than St. Chrysostom , says in his fourth Catechism , That a Christian Man knows , and certainly holds , this Bread , which is seen by us , not to be Bread , though the Taste thinks it to be Bread , but the Body of CHRIST ; and the Wine , which is beheld by us , though it seem Wine to the Sense of Tasting , yet not to be Wine , but the Blood of CHRIST ? What needs many Words ? No Age of the Primitive Church , none of the Fathers dissented . The Testimonies of all Ages and Writers have been formerly given thee by such , as have thought good to handle this Argument more at large . Let me now speak to thee , O Sectary , if thou desirest to be cur'd . This is one of the greatest Affairs in the Christian Faith , whether in the Eucharist be CHRIST himself , or only Bread , which is the Figure of CHRIST's Body : In so great a matter , and in which to err , is certain Destruction ; consider , whether side is supported by the safest Arguments . As to the Scriptures , 't would be Impudence to affirm , that there are clearer , or even as clear Words for you , as these are for us : This is my Body , this is my Blood : The Bread , which I will give , is my Flesh. Some places therefore are plain and clear of themselves ; and others , which want Interpretation , we expound according to the Sentiments of Men certainly great and numerous , whose Wisdom , Learning , and Piety were remarkable ; and lastly , as is most agreeable to the Divine Institution , This is my Body . Now if you would understand , what the Sense of the Church was from the Apostles time , it can no way better be understood , than by that of the Fathers , who then liv'd . But there is not any one of the Fathers , that have written of the Eucharist , whom we approve not , or whom we refuse for our Judge . For though some of them may have sometimes us'd certain obscure Words , which you also have endeavour'd to abuse for the support of your Heresies ; yet is there none of them that have spoken thus dubiously , who has not also other Words extant , which are plain and clear for us . Nay , most of them have so written , that asserting our Opinion , they cannot be so much as imagin'd to have the least Word or Expression , which favours your Heresy . Then , if you have regard to the Consent of Christians , it must be confess'd , that not only the Latin and Greek Churches , but all Christians throughout the whole World unanimously agree in our Opinion . So that which way soever you seek for Arguments , there are still more for us : If the Learning of the Persons be respected , we have far the greater part of Men , famous for Knowledge ; if Ages , we have unquestionably more ; if the number of Men , you may well be asham'd to compare with us . Thus being every way inferior to us , you have nothing remaining but your Obstinacy , and vain Incredulity , which with you is call'd Prudence , or Wisdom , wholly consisting in such kind of Philosophy as this : Can GOD do this ; or is it likely , that he would ; what Inconveniencies hence arise ; how unworthy is this of the Divine Majesty ? After the same manner did the Heathens put up Queries against CHRIST , and the Arians against the Trinity . Away with this vain Solicitude : You may possibly sometimes know , why GOD's Works are done ; but never how . Give me leave to use the Words of St. Ambrose , Who ( says he , 11 Hexam . Chap. 1. ) seeing these things , can with his weak understanding search out a possibility of the Reason ? All which the Divine Power , not to be comprehended by humane Minds , nor express'd by our Discourses , has knit together by the Authority of his own Will. But if thou , O Sectary , art not mov'd by our Agreement , let the blind Contention , that is among your selves , startle thee : Since divided into Sects , you with great bitterness contend about the Opinion , you ought to have of this Sacrament . Would to GOD thou knewest , how pleasant it is to prostrate thy self before the Altar , Where the Angels ( says St. Chrysosthm in his third Homily on the Epistle to the Ephesians ) with Trembling Reverence the Host : How sweet it is there to Adore our Lord , Who ( to use St. Augustin's words in his Commentary on the 98 Psalm ) walk'd here in the Flesh , and gave the same Flesh to be eaten by us for our Salvation : How far lastly it excells all humane Delights to reject vain Circumstances , and believe only the Word of GOD , to which so many foregoing Ages have Assented ; to acknowledge that to be our Lords Body which our Lord himself has affirm'd to be his Body ; and with a Mouth of Flesh to receive in all due Humility the Flesh of our Lord , that he may nourish our Souls with the effect of the Sacrament , and the Spirit which quickneth . None shall before the Tyranny of Antichrist deprive the Faithful of these Joyes , nor can any one , but he , who has experienc'd them , comprehend them . The End of the second Chapter . ADVERTISEMENT . THere being many Excellent Pieces of the same Author , containing a Direct , Short , and Full Proof of all those Points commonly Objected to Roman Catholicks by Sectaries , as having furnish'd a pretended Occasion of their Schism : I design God willing , one by one to prepare them for the Press , that the World may see , how unreasonable and groundless are all the Exceptions made against Us ; and Manifestly Repugnant to God's Holy Word , and the received Judgment of all Antiquity .