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             A discoverie of Brownisme: or, a brief declaration of some of the errors and abhominations daily practiced and increased among the English company of the seperation remayning for the present at Amsterdam in Holland. By Thomas White
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           A
           DISCOVERIE
           of
           Brownisme
           :
           
             OR
             ,
             A
             briefe
             declaration
             of
             some
             of
             the
          
           errors
           and
           abhominations
           daily
           practised
           and
           increased
           among
           the
           English
           company
           of
           the
           seperation
           remayning
           
             for
             the
             present
             at
          
           Amsterdam
           
             in
          
           Holland
           .
        
         
           A
           wicked
           man
           deceiueth
           his
           neighbour
           ,
           and
           leadeth
           him
           into
           a
           way
           that
           is
           not
           good
           .
           
             Pro.
             16.
             29.
             
          
        
         
           By
           
             Thomas
             White
             .
          
        
         
           
             LONDON
          
           Printed
           by
           
             E.
             A.
          
           for
           
             Nathaniell
             Fosbroke
          
           and
           are
           to
           be
           solde
           at
           his
           Shop
           at
           the
           West
           end
           
             of
             Paules
             .
          
           1605.
           
        
      
       
         
         
         
           To
           the
           Reader
           .
        
         
           TWo
           extremities
           (
           dangerous
           )
           there
           are
           which
           in
           these
           dayes
           bringe
           no
           small
           detriment
           or
           annoyance
           to
           the
           Church
           of
           God.
           The
           one
           Atheistical
           prophanes
           ,
           which
           is
           fearful
           ;
           and
           the
           other
           hipocritical
           contention
           ,
           which
           is
           abhominable
           .
           And
           these
           howsoeuer
           they
           seeme
           to
           differ
           the
           one
           from
           the
           other
           ,
           yet
           the
           one
           is
           strengthned
           and
           hardned
           by
           the
           other
           ,
           and
           this
           with
           a
           mutuall
           reciprocation
           :
        
         
           Against
           both
           these
           ,
           the
           holy
           Ghost
           applies
           a
           soueraigne
           remedie
           :
           
             Heb.
          
           13.
           14.
           
           
             Followe
             after
             peace
             and
             holines
             ,
             without
             which
             no
             man
             cā
             see
          
           God.
           And
           
             Luk
             :
          
           1.
           .
           14.
           15.
           
           
             That
             we
             being
             deliuered
             from
             our
             enemies
             ,
             might
             serue
             him
             in
             holines
             and
             righteousnes
          
           (
           to
           auoyde
           prophanes
           )
           
             before
             his
             face
          
           (
           to
           flye
           hypocrisie
           )
           
             all
             our
             dayes
             .
          
        
         
         
           Of
           the
           latter
           of
           these
           ,
           or
           rather
           of
           both
           ,
           (
           for
           the
           former
           oft
           times
           proceedeth
           from
           the
           latter
           ,
           howsoeuer
           for
           a
           while
           enuy
           palliateth
           it selfe
           vnder
           the
           name
           of
           zeale
           as
           both
           are
           signified
           by
           one
           Greeke
           word
           )
           I
           haue
           giuen
           an
           instance
           in
           this
           treatise
           following
           in
           that
           congregatiō
           ,
           
           which
           God
           hath
           made
           as
           a
           spectacle
           for
           others
           to
           beware
           of
           rash
           ,
           heady
           ,
           and
           contentious
           courses
           .
        
         
           This
           haue
           I
           done
           (
           all
           other
           peaceable
           meanes
           being
           before
           vsed
           )
           for
           the
           discharging
           of
           mine
           owne
           duety
           both
           to
           God
           and
           his
           Churches
           ,
           the
           staying
           of
           others
           ,
           who
           would
           neuer
           be
           so
           affected
           to
           them
           as
           they
           are
           ,
           if
           they
           knew
           their
           fearefull
           estate
           .
        
         
           If
           eyther
           for
           the
           breuity
           or
           rudenes
           of
           the
           stile
           it
           satisfie
           thee
           not
           :
           for
           the
           former
           I
           cōfesse
           that
           I
           haue
           rather
           endeauoured
           to
           point
           at
           things
           briefely
           ,
           then
           by
           dilating
           to
           fill
           vp
           large
           volumes
           ,
           of
           purpose
           omitting
           many
           the
           vilest
           thinges
           ,
           partly
           for
           offending
           chaste
           eares
           ,
           partly
           for
           sparing
           them
           ,
           vnlesse
           further
           occasion
           be
           ministred
           by
           thēselues
           .
           And
           as
           for
           the
           rudenes
           of
           the
           stile
           ,
           either
           by
           
           superfluous
           repetitions
           ,
           or
           redundant
           speeches
           ,
           let
           the
           inconuenience
           both
           of
           time
           &
           place
           something
           excuse
           me
           ,
           being
           but
           newly
           arriued
           ,
           neyther
           enioying
           health
           ,
           nor
           help
           of
           bookes
           in
           the
           penning
           therof
           ;
           my
           minde
           also
           many
           waies
           distracted
           about
           other
           businesses
           .
           The
           time
           to
           come
           may
           bring
           foorth
           some
           further
           thing
           more
           answerable
           to
           thine
           expectation
           :
           In
           the
           meane
           time
           accept
           this
           in
           the
           best
           part
           .
           And
           the
           Lord
           giue
           thee
           vnderstanding
           in
           all
           thinges
           .
        
      
    
     
       
         
         
         
           A
           BRIEFE
           DISCOVERYE
           ,
           of
           some
           of
           the
           errors
           and
           abhominations
           ,
           dailye
           practised
           and
           increased
           ,
           amongst
           the
           English
           Companye
           of
           the
           seperation
           ,
           remaining
           for
           the
           present
           at
           Amsterdam
           in
           Holland
           .
        
         
           IT
           may
           seeme
           strange
           ,
           that
           any
           ,
           who
           pretend
           (
           aboue
           all
           other
           )
           sinceritie
           in
           Religion
           ,
           and
           there-vpon
           forsake
           their
           owne
           natiue
           Country
           ,
           should
           yet
           notwithstāding
           ,
           be
           found
           to
           abound
           aboue
           others
           with
           all
           kinde
           of
           debate
           ,
           malice
           ,
           adulteries
           ,
           cousonages
           ,
           and
           such
           other
           like
           enormities
           :
           And
           that
           so
           much
           the
           more
           in
           the
           dayes
           of
           their
           banishment
           and
           extreame
           pouertie
           ,
           which
           outward
           affliction
           ,
           doth
           euen
           humble
           the
           wicked
           :
           And
           yet
           so
           farre
           from
           repentance
           ,
           that
           when
           they
           are
           shewed
           and
           admonished
           of
           their
           euill
           dealinges
           ,
           they
           seeke
           to
           couer
           ,
           
           hide
           ,
           cloake
           ,
           reproach
           and
           reuile
           their
           admonishers
           of
           better
           counsaile
           ;
           which
           for
           mine
           owne
           part
           I
           could
           haue
           borne
           in
           silence
           ,
           committing
           it
           to
           him
           that
           iudgeth
           iustly
           the
           sonnes
           of
           men
           :
           yet
           least
           others
           be
           deceaued
           by
           thē
           ,
           as
           some
           of
           vs
           haue
           beene
           ,
           and
           should
           be
           drawn
           by
           them
           through
           their
           painted
           colour
           of
           holinesse
           to
           partake
           with
           their
           abhominations
           and
           vnfruitefull
           workes
           of
           darkenes
           ,
           &
           to
           runne
           with
           them
           to
           that
           fearefull
           extreamitie
           in
           cōdemning
           al
           other
           churches
           &
           men
           :
           I
           thought
           it
           my
           duetie
           according
           as
           my
           leasure
           (
           which
           is
           small
           ,
           &
           my
           abilitie
           which
           is
           lesse
           ,
           would
           permit
           )
           vpō
           experience
           to
           giue
           warning
           to
           others
           of
           their
           leaders
           euil
           dealing
           ,
           wherby
           their
           people
           are
           deuoured
           .
        
         
           And
           ,
           although
           I
           knowe
           I
           shall
           object
           my selfe
           heerein
           but
           to
           the
           reproach
           of
           virulent
           and
           venemous
           tongues
           ,
           yet
           shall
           I
           be
           content
           to
           beare
           it
           ,
           that
           others
           may
           reape
           benefit
           thereby
           .
           Neither
           doe
           I
           this
           ,
           any
           way
           to
           discourage
           the
           true
           vpright
           hearted
           ,
           but
           rather
           that
           all
           that
           call
           vpon
           the
           name
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           may
           learne
           to
           cast
           frō
           them
           the
           cloake
           of
           hypocrisie
           ,
           and
           the
           leauen
           of
           contention
           and
           maliciousnes
           ,
           and
           so
           not
           in
           showe
           ,
           but
           in
           deed
           departe
           from
           jniquitie
           ,
           least
           they
           reape
           the
           fruites
           thereof
           as
           these
           haue
           done
           .
        
         
           I
           haue
           already
           written
           to
           their
           leader
           M.
           
             Fr.
             Iohnson
             ,
          
           of
           his
           (
           with
           the
           rest
           of
           their
           elders
           )
           falshood
           ,
           shiftings
           ,
           and
           other
           contraryties
           :
           as
           also
           laying
           to
           their
           charge
           ,
           partaking
           in
           and
           with
           their
           church
           in
           these
           blasphemous
           doctrines
           .
        
         
         
           1
           ,
           
             That
             they
             held
             it
             lawfull
             for
             a
             man
             to
             liue
             with
             her
             that
             is
             not
             his
             wife
             ,
             rather
             then
             to
             reueale
             himselfe
             ,
          
           which
           first
           denyes
           the
           prophecy
           of
           Christ
           ;
           secondly
           destroyes
           the
           nature
           of
           repentance
           ,
           and
           thirdly
           is
           a
           fundamētal
           error
           cōtrary
           to
           these
           scriptures
           .
           
             Math.
          
           3.
           2.
           8.
           
           
             Rom
          
           3.
           8.
           
           &
           6.
           1.
           
           
             Heb.
          
           6.
           
        
         
           2.
           
           
             That
             there
             are
             qualities
             in
             God
             not
             essentiall
             ,
             &
             that
             loue
             in
             God
             is
             not
             of
             his
             being
             ,
             but
             that
             the
             selfe
             same
             loue
             that
             is
             in
             god
             ,
             that
             is
             also
             in
             vs
             ,
          
           which
           ouerturnes
           the
           nature
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           the
           simplenes
           of
           his
           being
           ,
           and
           is
           a
           ground
           of
           famulisme
           ,
           and
           a
           blasphemous
           Doctrine
           contrary
           to
           these
           scriptures
           .
           
             Ex.
          
           3.
           14.
           
           
             Es.
          
           43
           ,
           25.
           1.
           
           
             Iohn
             .
          
           4.
           8.
           
        
         
           To
           this
           he
           promised
           answere
           and
           performed
           it
           not
           ,
           though
           he
           tooke
           no
           small
           paines
           by
           falsifying
           to
           discourage
           the
           witnesses
           ,
           but
           was
           content
           to
           let
           it
           lye
           vpon
           him
           vnanswered
           ,
           so
           becomming
           by
           his
           own
           confessiō
           a
           dūbe
           Minister
           .
           
           Now
           therfore
           I
           see
           no
           further
           cause
           of
           writing
           to
           him
           ,
           but
           will
           turne
           to
           the
           Christian
           Reader
           ;
           giuing
           him
           a
           taste
           of
           their
           dealing
           ,
           both
           in
           writing
           and
           practise
           ,
           profession
           &
           conuersation
           ,
           and
           yet
           laying
           that
           to
           their
           charge
           wherof
           due
           proofe
           can
           bee
           made
           ,
           as
           the
           Reader
           shall
           well
           perceiue
           by
           my
           proofes
           ,
           &
           their
           answers
           iudging
           indifferently
           .
        
         
           They
           indeede
           are
           the
           men
           ,
           
           that
           accuse
           others
           of
           simplicitie
           ,
           absurdity
           ,
           inconstancy
           in
           turning
           their
           coates
           ,
           of
           being
           hearers
           and
           not
           doers
           of
           the
           word
           ,
           of
           retayning
           open
           offenders
           &
           so
           becomming
           cages
           of
           euery
           vncleane
           bird
           ,
           of
           being
           neither
           willing
           
           nor
           able
           to
           iustifie
           their
           estate
           ,
           and
           this
           not
           alone
           of
           their
           country-men
           but
           against
           those
           Churches
           also
           with
           whome
           they
           liue
           .
           
        
         
           1.
           
           But
           what
           if
           themselues
           haue
           .
           1.
           betrayed
           their
           owne
           cause
           in
           writing
           .
           2
           Giuen
           the
           blacke
           letter
           of
           condēnation
           not
           alone
           to
           the
           churches
           of
           Christ
           that
           eyther
           are
           ,
           or
           haue
           beene
           since
           the
           Apostles
           daies
           ,
           but
           also
           to
           thēselues
           ,
           &
           their
           practise
           by
           their
           describing
           of
           a
           visible
           Church
           ?
        
         
           3.
           
           Doc
           practise
           that
           amongst
           themselues
           which
           they
           condemne
           utterly
           in
           others
           ,
           &
           haue
           amongst
           themselues
           open
           and
           notorious
           cousners
           ,
           and
           such
           other
           like
           offendors
           ?
        
         
           4.
           
           Haue
           giuen
           themselues
           ouer
           to
           Sathan
           ,
           and
           brought
           the
           curse
           on
           their
           owne
           heads
           by
           wicked
           and
           vngodly
           excommunications
           .
           
           Are
           they
           then
           
             the
             holy
             assembly
             of
             Saints
             marching
             in
             such
             a
             heauenly
             order
             after
             the
             Lamb
             ,
             whether
             soeuer
             hee
             goeth
             ,
             whereunto
             no
             vncleane
             thing
             entreth
             ,
             nor
             remaineth
             ?
          
           whether
           these
           accusations
           bee
           true
           or
           no
           ,
           let
           the
           sequele
           declare
           .
        
         
           And
           first
           that
           Master
           
             Fr.
             Ih.
          
           hath
           vtterly
           disproued
           the
           maine
           drift
           of
           all
           his
           booke
           ,
           and
           so
           betrayed
           his
           owne
           cause
           ,
           As
           Christ
           alleaged
           against
           the
           Pharises
           ,
           
           the
           example
           of
           their
           owne
           Children
           ,
           that
           they
           might
           be
           their
           iudges
           :
           so
           may
           I
           his
           owne
           writings
           against
           himselfe
           ,
           that
           they
           may
           be
           his
           iudge
           ,
           which
           thus
           I
           shew
           .
        
         
           The
           drift
           of
           His
           booke
           is
           by
           the
           description
           of
           a
           true
           church
           ,
           
           to
           discouer
           the
           false
           .
           This
           discription
           
           as
           oft
           elsewhere
           ,
           so
           also
           he
           hath
           ,
           Page
           196.
           last
           answer
           to
           
             M.
             Iac
             :
             viz.
             
          
        
         
           
             That
             a
             true
             visible
             Church
             of
             Christ
             ,
             is
             a
             company
             of
             faithfull
             people
             ,
             called
             out
             by
             the
             word
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             seperated
             from
             the
             world
             ,
             and
             the
             false
             waies
             thereof
             ,
             gathered
             and
             ioyned
             together
             in
             fellowship
             of
             the
             Gospell
             ,
             by
             a
             voluntary
             profession
             of
             the
             faith
             and
             obedience
             of
             Christ.
          
           And
           his
           meaning
           of
           this
           discription
           doth
           further
           appeare
           by
           cōparing
           it
           with
           the
           third
           false
           Doctrine
           alleadged
           by
           him
           ,
           Page
           158.
           of
           the
           same
           booke
           ,
           as
           also
           with
           the
           17.
           
           Art
           :
           of
           ther
           confession
           ,
           where
           hee
           expoundes
           it
           ,
           by
           seperating
           his
           Church
           from
           vanitye
           ,
           Idolatrie
           ,
           dissolute
           life
           ,
           and
           all
           false
           workes
           of
           darkenes
           .
        
         
           This
           discription
           so
           propounded
           and
           expounded
           ,
           
           he
           thus
           ouerthroweth
           ,
           page
           47.
           of
           the
           same
           booke
           before
           cited
           ,
           where
           he
           affirmeth
           ,
           
             that
             the
             Israelites
             in
             Egipt
             were
             Gods
             Church
             ,
          
           prooues
           it
           by
           
             Exod.
          
           4.
           22.
           23.
           euen
           then
           ,
           
             while
             they
             sinned
             with
             the
             Idols
             of
             Egipt
             ,
          
           alleadging
           
             Ezek.
          
           20.
           
           If
           they
           committed
           Idolatrie
           with
           the
           Idols
           of
           Egipt
           ,
           how
           were
           they
           then
           a
           company
           of
           faithfull
           people
           seperated
           from
           all
           false
           wayes
           ?
           If
           he
           say
           this
           their
           sinne
           was
           not
           their
           generall
           estate
           ,
           
           as
           he
           answers
           in
           an
           other
           case
           to
           M.
           
             H.
          
           Page
           49.
           
           The
           place
           quoted
           by
           himselfe
           out
           of
           
             Ezek.
          
           20.
           shewes
           the
           contrary
           ,
           affirming
           
             none
             of
             them
             to
             haue
             for
             saken
             the
             Idols
             of
             Egipt
             .
          
           If
           he
           say
           this
           their
           sin
           was
           not
           of
           obstinacie
           ,
           the
           same
           scripture
           sheweth
           that
           they
           were
           admōished
           ,
           v.
           7.
           yet
           they
           
             rebelled
             against
             him
             .
          
           v.
           8.
           
           And
           as
           for
           the
           nature
           of
           their
           
           jdolatry
           it
           was
           heathenish
           ;
           will
           he
           then
           say
           that
           Idolaters
           in
           their
           generall
           estate
           ,
           with
           heathenish
           jdolatrie
           ,
           rebelling
           after
           admonition
           ,
           are
           such
           a
           faithfull
           people
           seperate
           frō
           all
           false
           waies
           ,
           as
           he
           describes
           a
           true
           Church
           to
           be
           ?
           If
           not
           ,
           how
           were
           they
           Gods
           Church
           ?
        
         
           To
           
             vse
             Tullies
          
           words
           ,
           
           
             testimonium
             tuum
             quod
             in
             aliena
             releue
             est
             ,
             hoc
             contrate
             graue
             .
             &c.
          
           Thine
           owne
           testimony
           which
           in
           an
           other
           case
           is
           of
           small
           weight
           ,
           this
           against
           thy selfe
           is
           of
           much
           moment
           .
        
         
           And
           heere
           he
           must
           remēber
           that
           he
           describeth
           not
           a
           true
           Church
           ,
           what
           it
           ought
           to
           be
           ,
           but
           what
           it
           is
           if
           it
           bee
           a
           true
           Church
           as
           the
           drift
           of
           that
           place
           ,
           where
           this
           description
           is
           set
           down
           declares
           ,
           As
           that
           ,
        
         
           
             1.
             
             It
             is
             for
             the
             clearing
             the
             question
             betwene
             them
             .
             
          
           
             2.
             
             For
             the
             discerning
             of
             the
             true
             church
             frō
             the
             false
             .
          
           
             3.
             
             
               Bids
               M.
               Iac
               compare
               their
               best
               asemblies
               with
               this
               description
               .
               &c.
            
             Otherwise
             his
             aduersary
             might
             haue
             answered
             ,
             that
             though
             the
             Churches
             of
             Englād
             agreed
             not
             with
             that
             descriptiō
             ,
             yet
             might
             they
             haue
             beene
             true
             Churches
             notwithstanding
             ;
             and
             he
             had
             writtē
             nothing
             to
             any
             purpose
             against
             him
             .
          
        
         
           Moreouer
           in
           the
           answere
           to
           the
           preface
           of
           the
           same
           booke
           ,
           
           Sect.
           6.
           M.
           
             Fr.
             Ih.
          
           thus
           speakes
           :
           
             Any
             Church
             though
             truely
             constituted
             ,
             if
             they
             will
             rather
             abide
             in
             error
             then
             obey
             the
             voice
             of
             Christ
             ,
             are
             not
             true
             churches
             .
          
           And
           yet
           the
           Iewes
           in
           Egipt
           rebelling
           after
           admonition
           ,
           are
           Gods
           church
           by
           his
           account
           :
           how
           well
           these
           thinges
           hang
           together
           let
           the
           Reader
           judge
           .
           In
           like
           māner
           
             M.
             Ih.
          
           denies
           not
           .
           page
           87.
           
           of
           the
           booke
           before
           cited
           ,
           that
           the
           Iewes
           in
           Christs
           time
           ,
           yea
           and
           after
           his
           death
           ,
           were
           true
           Churches
           ,
           which
           had
           despised
           admonition
           before
           :
           
             Lu.
          
           7.
           30.
           
           
             Math.
          
           23.
           37.
           yet
           this
           which
           M.
           
             Iohns
             .
          
           acknowledges
           ,
           M.
           
             H.
             Barrow
          
           calles
           blasphemy
           :
           so
           well
           they
           agree
           together
           .
           
        
         
           Is
           it
           possible
           so
           to
           ouerthrow
           the
           maine
           drift
           of
           his
           owne
           writings
           ,
           and
           perceiue
           it
           not
           ?
           Or
           is
           it
           not
           veryfied
           which
           the
           wise
           man
           speaketh
           ?
           
           
             The
             euill
             man
             is
             snared
             by
             the
             wickednes
             of
             his
             owne
             lippes
             .
          
           And
           yet
           this
           booke
           he
           saith
           he
           did
           not
           make
           alone
           ,
           but
           consulted
           with
           others
           heerein
           ,
           and
           namely
           with
           Maister
           
             Ains-worth
             ,
          
           a
           man
           that
           hath
           turned
           his
           coate
           as
           oft
           as
           euer
           
             D.
             B.
          
           if
           not
           oftner
           ,
           whome
           hee
           tearmes
           
             approoued
             in
             Christ
             :
          
           and
           
             Daniel
             Studly
          
           an
           elder
           of
           ther
           Church
           ,
           a
           man
           ,
           (
           not
           alone
           for
           his
           filthinesse
           wlth
           his
           wiues
           Daughter
           ,
           
           but
           also
           for
           supporting
           of
           manifest
           &
           shamefull
           vncleannes
           and
           cousning
           amongst
           them
           in
           others
           )
           fitter
           for
           the
           stewes
           thē
           to
           be
           an
           elder
           in
           any
           christiā
           society
           .
           No
           better
           is
           his
           dealing
           in
           condemning
           the
           Dutch
           &
           French
           Churches
           ,
           for
           despising
           their
           admonition
           ,
           and
           yet
           acknowledge
           the
           Iewes
           in
           Christ
           time
           ,
           to
           be
           a
           true
           church
           ,
           
           dispising
           more
           admouition
           ,
           and
           that
           of
           greater
           sinnes
           then
           euer
           they
           admonished
           the
           Elders
           of
           these
           Churches
           of
           :
           hée
           that
           wauereth
           in
           his
           owne
           testimony
           ,
           how
           shall
           his
           witnesse
           be
           receiued
           ?
           but
           he
           is
           not
           alone
           content
           to
           confute
           M.
           
             Ih.
             viz
             :
          
           himselfe
           ,
           except
           he
           doe
           also
           by
           his
           description
           cut
           off
           from
           being
           true
           churches
           in
           their
           account
           ,
           
           all
           the
           churches
           of
           Christ
           that
           euer
           haue
           bin
           since
           the
           Apostles
           daies
           :
           2.
           now
           are
           ,
           yea
           and
           3.
           thēselues
           which
           thus
           I
           pooue
           .
        
         
           If
           no
           church
           that
           hath
           beene
           since
           the
           Apostles
           daies
           or
           now
           is
           that
           we
           reade
           of
           ,
           be
           seperate
           from
           al
           false
           waies
           in
           their
           accompt
           ,
           then
           by
           his
           description
           and
           in
           their
           account
           must
           they
           be
           no
           true
           churches
           ,
           but
           the
           former
           is
           true
           :
           therefore
           the
           latter
           .
        
         
           The
           proposition
           is
           vndeniable
           from
           his
           owne
           description
           .
        
         
           The
           Assumption
           is
           as
           certaine
           ,
           as
           will
           appeare
           ,
           in
           that
           they
           account
           the
           very
           using
           of
           the
           Lords
           Prayer
           as
           a
           Prayer
           ,
           to
           be
           a
           false
           way
           ,
           which
           was
           vsed
           from
           the
           Apostles
           age
           ,
           
           as
           
             Tertullian
          
           saith
           :
           
             Premissa
             legitima
             &
             ordinaria
             oratione
             ,
             ius
             est
             super
             struendi
             extrinsecus
             petitiones
             .
             &c.
             The
             lawfull
             and
             ordinary
             prayer
             (
             speaking
             of
             the
             Lordes
             prayer
             )
             being
             premised
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           2.
           
           For
           the
           Churches
           that
           now
           are
           ,
           their
           dealing
           with
           the
           Dutch
           and
           French
           Churches
           declare
           it
           sufficiently
           :
           &
           howsoeuer
           they
           seeme
           to
           put
           difference
           betweene
           those
           churches
           in
           the
           Low
           Countries
           whome
           they
           haue
           admonished
           ,
           and
           those
           that
           they
           haue
           not
           ;
           yet
           to
           put
           the
           matter
           out
           of
           doubt
           ,
           let
           him
           tell
           us
           if
           they
           account
           it
           not
           Apostacy
           for
           one
           of
           them
           ,
           so
           much
           as
           once
           to
           heare
           the
           word
           preached
           in
           any
           congregation
           Dutch
           or
           French
           in
           all
           the
           Lowe
           Countries
           besides
           ▪
           Or
           if
           he
           can
           ,
           let
           him
           name
           any
           one
           church
           on
           the
           face
           of
           the
           earth
           now
           ,
           that
           holdeth
           not
           false
           wayes
           ,
           yea
           euen
           in
           their
           
           constitution
           in
           their
           account
           :
           Neyther
           shall
           he
           shift
           off
           the
           matter
           with
           his
           distinction
           of
           faultye
           and
           false
           worshippe
           ,
           for
           when
           hee
           hath
           put
           downe
           the
           difference
           ,
           whereby
           he
           distinguisheth
           the
           one
           from
           the
           other
           ,
           which
           yet
           he
           hath
           not
           done
           to
           my
           remēbrance
           ,
           then
           wil
           I
           shew
           him
           that
           there
           is
           no
           church
           that
           he
           can
           mentiō
           besides
           themselues
           ,
           that
           holdes
           not
           onely
           faulty
           ,
           but
           false
           waies
           also
           in
           their
           account
           ,
           and
           that
           in
           their
           constitution
           .
        
         
           Are
           not
           they
           then
           the
           blasphemers
           of
           the
           Christians
           and
           their
           churches
           ?
           Or
           is
           not
           this
           to
           robbe
           Christ
           of
           his
           honour
           ?
           Or
           may
           not
           that
           saying
           .
           
             Pro.
          
           11.
           12.
           bee
           veryfied
           of
           themselues
           :
           
             Bazleregnehu
             chasar
             leb
             .
             He
             that
             despiseth
             his
             neighbour
             is
             a
             foole
             .
          
        
         
           3.
           
           But
           heerein
           others
           may
           pardon
           them
           ,
           for
           they
           are
           as
           fauourable
           to
           others
           as
           to
           themselues
           ,
           for
           except
           themselues
           be
           agreeable
           to
           their
           owne
           description
           ,
           after
           wounding
           others
           ,
           they
           haue
           turned
           the
           point
           of
           their
           weapon
           into
           their
           owne
           bowels
           :
           that
           they
           are
           not
           seperate
           from
           all
           open
           offenders
           ,
           and
           all
           false
           wayes
           appeares
           .
        
         
           1.
           
           In
           that
           they
           retaine
           amongst
           them
           open
           offendors
           :
           to
           giue
           instance
           ,
           one
           
             Castle
          
           was
           noted
           amongst
           themselues
           publikely
           in
           their
           meeting
           for
           cousnage
           ,
           and
           that
           by
           one
           of
           their
           elders
           ,
           and
           indeede
           knowne
           notoriously
           so
           to
           bee
           ,
           which
           if
           M.
           
             Ih.
          
           doubts
           of
           ,
           he
           may
           aske
           his
           elder
           
             Sta
             :
             Mercer
             ,
          
           their
           Deacon
           :
           
             Tho.
             Bishop
             :
             W.
             Knowling
             ,
             Robert
             Iackson
          
           &c.
           
           And
           yet
           would
           M.
           
             Ih.
          
           with
           h●s
           teacher
           M.
           
             A.
          
           and
           the
           rest
           of
           their
           elders
           ,
           defend
           that
           hee
           
           ought
           not
           to
           bee
           publiquely
           dealt
           withall
           for
           it
           ,
           because
           it
           was
           not
           orderly
           made
           publique
           :
           
           and
           this
           before
           many
           witnesses
           :
           neyther
           did
           that
           
             Castle
          
           shew
           any
           repentance
           in
           like
           sorte
           of
           this
           sinne
           .
        
         
           Besides
           him
           was
           not
           
             R
             B.
          
           
           (
           after
           other
           moste
           horrible
           adultery
           )
           publikelye
           accused
           in
           their
           meeting
           for
           creeping
           in
           at
           a
           windowe
           to
           come
           to
           bed
           to
           an
           other
           mans
           wife
           in
           her
           husbands
           absence
           ,
           yet
           was
           this
           man
           neuer
           publiquely
           dealt
           withall
           ,
           
           vntill
           this
           day
           for
           it
           ,
           that
           I
           can
           learne
           .
           Or
           if
           these
           instances
           serue
           not
           their
           turne
           ,
           what
           will
           they
           say
           to
           their
           Elder
           ,
           
             Daniel
             Studley
             ?
          
           (
           who
           together
           with
           his
           filthines
           afore
           mentioned
           ,
           in
           supporting
           vncleanes
           in
           a
           woman
           a
           member
           of
           their
           church
           )
           did
           also
           refuse
           to
           pray
           with
           his
           owne
           wife
           a
           member
           likewise
           of
           the
           same
           Church
           ,
           and
           yet
           will
           shew
           no
           repentance
           for
           thus
           doing
           ,
           though
           he
           hath
           beene
           dealt
           withall
           for
           it
           ;
           yea
           and
           worse
           carryage
           then
           this
           ,
           of
           which
           his
           wife
           hath
           often
           and
           doth
           continually
           complaine
           ,
           which
           though
           he
           be
           not
           ashamed
           to
           commit
           ,
           yet
           I
           am
           ashamed
           to
           mencyon
           .
           I
           am
           sure
           M.
           
             Ih.
          
           cannot
           pretend
           ignorance
           heerein
           ,
           for
           hee
           hath
           beene
           tolde
           oft
           of
           his
           euill
           dealing
           though
           hee
           durst
           not
           ,
           or
           would
           not
           redresse
           it
           .
           Or
           if
           these
           yet
           bee
           not
           enough
           ,
           you
           shall
           haue
           more
           (
           if
           neede
           be
           )
           as
           
             Iudith
             Holder
             ,
             Canady
             ,
             Iaacob
             Iohnson
             &c.
             
          
           How
           are
           they
           thē
           seperate
           from
           all
           open
           offenders
           ?
           or
           are
           they
           not
           defiled
           by
           cōmunicating
           with
           such
           ?
           Or
           shall
           I
           say
           fitte
           members
           for
           such
           a
           fellowshippe
           ?
           If
           they
           say
           this
           is
           not
           in
           their
           constitutiō
           ;
           I
           answere
           yes
           euen
           in
           
           the
           constitution
           they
           holde
           false
           waies
           ,
           which
           thus
           I
           prooue
           .
        
         
           1.
           
           In
           their
           constitution
           they
           holde
           .
           First
           that
           the
           Lords
           prayer
           is
           not
           to
           be
           vsed
           as
           a
           Praye
           ,
           rcontrary
           to
           christs
           expresse
           cōmaundment
           ,
           which
           is
           neyther
           against
           reason
           nor
           proportion
           of
           faith
           .
           Secōdly
           ,
           contrary
           to
           the
           tenor
           of
           the
           words
           ,
           hauing
           the
           forme
           of
           a
           prayer
           in
           all
           things
           ,
           as
           
             Our
             Father
             ,
             giue
             vs
             ,
          
           and
           
             amen
          
           annexed
           in
           the
           end
           ,
           which
           shewes
           that
           they
           arepetitions
           not
           positions
           or
           rules
           which
           are
           set
           downe
           in
           another
           forme
           .
           
             Math.
          
           77.
           21.
           22.
           1.
           
           
             Ioh.
          
           5.
           14.
           
           Thirdly
           ,
           contrary
           to
           the
           vse
           of
           al
           christians
           ,
           that
           wee
           reade
           of
           ,
           as
           before
           out
           of
           
             Tertullian
          
           and
           others
           may
           be
           alleadged
           :
        
         
           2.
           
           They
           hold
           also
           that
           it
           is
           not
           lawfull
           for
           the
           innocent
           partyes
           ,
           to
           retaine
           the
           offēder
           ,
           as
           the
           wife
           her
           husbād
           ,
           or
           the
           husband
           his
           wife
           ,
           if
           either
           party
           haue
           committed
           adultery
           ,
           no
           though
           the
           innocēt
           party
           vpon
           the
           others
           repentance
           ,
           forgiuing
           the
           others
           sinne
           ,
           be
           desirous
           still
           to
           liue
           with
           the
           other
           party
           in
           the
           marriage
           couenant
           as
           before
           ,
           but
           haue
           excōmunicated
           the
           parties
           innocent
           for
           so
           doing
           ,
           as
           namely
           
             H.
             C.
          
           &
           one
           
             Homes
             his
          
           wife
           ,
           vpon
           this
           ,
           diuers
           of
           them
           accused
           themselues
           of
           adulterye
           ,
           that
           so
           they
           might
           be
           ridde
           of
           their
           wiues
           ,
           as
           namely
           one
           
             W.
             Holder
          
           and
           
             Tho
             :
             Canady
             .
          
        
         
           3.
           
           They
           haue
           altered
           many
           thinges
           which
           they
           held
           in
           their
           constitution
           ,
           as
           among
           other
           ,
           that
           
             it
             was
             not
             lawful
             for
             Apostates
             to
             beare
             office
             ,
          
           then
           must
           they
           confesse
           that
           they
           did
           hold
           false
           waies
           in
           their
           
           constitution
           ,
           and
           so
           by
           consequent
           ,
           then
           were
           no
           ,
           true
           Churches
           .
        
         
           4
           But
           what
           would
           it
           profit
           them
           to
           be
           free
           from
           false
           waies
           in
           their
           constitution
           ,
           if
           their
           practise
           bee
           not
           according
           to
           their
           profession
           ?
        
         
           This
           (
           to
           vse
           their
           owne
           wordes
           )
           makes
           their
           sin
           the
           more
           greeuous
           .
           
           And
           sith
           their
           knowledge
           is
           but
           in
           part
           aswell
           as
           their
           loue
           ,
           are
           not
           they
           as
           well
           as
           others
           subiect
           to
           erre
           in
           constitution
           as
           well
           as
           practise
           ?
           If
           M.
           
             Fr
             :
             Iohnson
          
           with
           his
           other
           helpers
           should
           yet
           finde
           out
           a
           further
           shift
           ,
           &
           say
           that
           their
           meaning
           in
           their
           description
           afore
           mentioned
           ,
           is
           ,
           that
           
             A
             true
             church
             must
             be
             seperate
             frō
             all
             false
             waies
             ,
             which
             they
             see
             ,
          
           for
           the
           preuenting
           of
           them
           therein
           ,
           I
           answere
           :
        
         
           1.
           
           If
           they
           had
           ment
           onely
           such
           false
           waies
           ,
           it
           had
           beene
           needefull
           in
           the
           description
           to
           haue
           implyed
           so
           much
           .
        
         
           2.
           
           Though
           they
           haue
           beene
           already
           pressed
           with
           exceptions
           against
           this
           discription
           ,
           yet
           haue
           they
           no
           where
           as
           yet
           taken
           vp
           this
           starting
           hole
           that
           I
           can
           perceiue
           .
        
         
           3.
           
           Yet
           if
           now
           they
           should
           ,
           they
           haue
           stopped
           it
           thēselues
           ,
           Page
           .
           107.
           108.
           127.
           of
           
             his
             last
             answere
             to
             M.
             Iac.
          
           and
           in
           other
           places
           of
           their
           writings
           .
        
         
           4.
           
           Let
           them
           minde
           ,
           whether
           enough
           hath
           not
           beene
           shewed
           them
           for
           the
           clearing
           of
           these
           errors
           in
           their
           constitution
           before
           cited
           .
        
         
           5.
           
           Whether
           they
           giue
           not
           their
           aduersaries
           aduantage
           if
           they
           should
           thus
           answere
           :
        
         
         
           Besides
           that
           there
           bee
           false
           waies
           ,
           which
           though
           they
           were
           held
           of
           ignorance
           ,
           would
           disanul
           a
           company
           so
           gathered
           ,
           from
           being
           Gods
           Church
           notwithstanding
           .
        
         
           Thus
           haue
           they
           paued
           their
           way
           with
           snares
           ,
           to
           entrappe
           themselues
           .
           Had
           not
           the
           simple
           neede
           to
           take
           heede
           how
           they
           take
           vp
           wares
           vpon
           their
           credit
           ?
           And
           haue
           they
           not
           abused
           the
           world
           that
           publish
           in
           print
           ,
           
           
             that
             they
             neyther
             receiue
             nor
             retaine
             any
             such
             as
             care
             not
             how
             they
             borrow
             and
             make
             no
             conscience
             to
             pay
             againe
             ?
          
           I
           doubt
           not
           but
           their
           owne
           hearts
           know
           how
           false
           this
           is
           ,
           in
           
             Io.
             Nicholas
          
           and
           others
           .
        
         
           And
           heere
           it
           shall
           not
           be
           amisse
           to
           put
           downe
           a
           briefe
           opposition
           betweene
           their
           
             true
             description
             of
             a
             visible
             Church
             ,
          
           
           
             and
             their
             practise
             :
          
           that
           so
           the
           Reader
           may
           the
           better
           perceiue
           the
           difference
           between
           their
           profession
           &
           practise
           ,
           &
           this
           onelye
           in
           some
           few
           knowne
           particulars
           ,
           by
           this
           description
           .
           First
           for
           the
           Pastor
           :
        
         
           1.
           
           The
           Pastor
           must
           bee
           indued
           with
           much
           patience
           :
           but
           their
           Pastor
           with
           much
           impaciencye
           ,
           as
           hath
           appeared
           not
           alone
           in
           his
           dealing
           with
           
             M.
             Ad
             :
          
           and
           his
           Brother
           G
           :
           
             I.
          
           and
           his
           threatning
           to
           forsake
           his
           owne
           congregation
           when
           he
           was
           crossed
           of
           his
           minde
           :
           
           all
           which
           are
           discouered
           alreadye
           by
           his
           brother
           :
           Page
           126.
           143.
           144.
           and
           knowne
           to
           be
           true
           by
           other
           witnesses
           ,
           but
           also
           in
           other
           particulars
           whereof
           some
           shall
           be
           after
           mencioned
           
             An
             angry
             man
             stirreth
             vp
             strife
             and
             a
             furious
             man
             aboundeth
             
             intransgression
             .
          
        
         
           2.
           
           The
           Pasto●
           of
           the
           true
           Church
           must
           be
           louing
           &
           cōpassionate
           ,
           but
           their
           Pastor
           vnnatural
           &
           vnmerciful
           ,
           &
           that
           to
           his
           own
           father
           ,
           yea
           for
           the
           time
           which
           his
           Father
           was
           with
           his
           Brother
           
             G.
             I.
          
           hee
           would
           not
           so
           much
           as
           once
           see
           him
           ,
           or
           relieue
           his
           necessitie
           ,
           
           though
           he
           were
           not
           yet
           excommunicated
           frō
           thē
           This
           I
           heard
           iustified
           to
           his
           face
           before
           many
           witnesses
           ,
           
           and
           he
           could
           not
           deny
           it
           :
           
             so
             true
             it
             is
             ,
             that
             he
             that
             begetteth
             a
             foole
             ,
             begetteth
             himselfe
             sorrow
             ,
          
           as
           the
           wise
           man
           speaketh
           .
           For
           the
           teacher
           .
        
         
           1.
           
           The
           teacher
           of
           a
           true
           Church
           is
           sincere
           :
           their
           teacher
           steined
           with
           Hypocrisie
           ,
           as
           in
           his
           dealing
           concerning
           
             G.
             I
             ,
             M.
             Sl
             :
          
        
         
           2.
           
           The
           teacher
           of
           a
           true
           Church
           must
           bee
           vnreprooueable
           :
           
           but
           their
           teacher
           is
           spotted
           againe
           and
           againe
           with
           Apostasie
           in
           their
           account
           as
           before
           hath
           beene
           noted
           .
        
         
           3
           ,
           The
           teacher
           of
           the
           true
           Church
           must
           take
           diligent
           care
           to
           keepe
           the
           Church
           from
           errors
           :
           their
           teacher
           hath
           beene
           a
           meanes
           to
           bring
           in
           ,
           and
           defend
           false
           Doctrines
           ,
           as
           the
           latter
           of
           those
           two
           before
           mencioned
           and
           others
           that
           may
           bee
           alleaged
           .
           For
           the
           Elders
           :
        
         
           1.
           
           The
           Elders
           of
           a
           true
           Church
           must
           bee
           indued
           with
           the
           spirit
           of
           God
           :
           their
           Elder
           
             Da
             :
             St
             :
          
           with
           the
           spirit
           of
           vncleanes
           .
        
         
           2.
           
           The
           Elders
           of
           a
           true
           church
           must
           see
           the
           lawes
           of
           God
           kept
           :
           their
           Elder
           would
           defend
           the
           transgressing
           of
           them
           in
           himselfe
           and
           others
           .
        
         
         
           3.
           
           The
           Elders
           of
           a
           true
           church
           doe
           gouerne
           their
           owne
           houses
           orderly
           :
           but
           the
           Elders
           mencioned
           most
           disorderly
           as
           else
           where
           is
           cited
           .
        
         
           4.
           
           The
           Elders
           aforesaid
           must
           bee
           louing
           :
           their
           Elder
           
             D
             :
             St
             :
          
           cruell
           and
           tyranicall
           ,
           in
           so
           much
           that
           some
           of
           their
           owne
           mēbers
           haue
           complained
           ,
           
           that
           if
           they
           had
           a
           matter
           as
           cleare
           as
           the
           sunne
           against
           him
           ,
           yet
           durst
           they
           not
           deale
           with
           him
           for
           it
           .
        
         
           5.
           
           The
           elders
           of
           a
           true
           church
           ,
           must
           be
           vnreprooueable
           :
           but
           their
           Elder
           
             St
             :
             Mer
             :
          
           hath
           (
           as
           their
           teacher
           )
           beene
           noted
           for
           Apostasie
           .
           For
           the
           Deacons
           :
        
         
           1.
           
           The
           Deacons
           of
           the
           true
           Church
           of
           Christ
           ,
           must
           haue
           a
           pure
           conscience
           &
           must
           not
           bee
           giuen
           to
           filthy
           lucre
           .
           But
           their
           Deacon
           
             Christoph
             :
             Bow
             :
          
           for
           his
           deceiuing
           of
           many
           poore
           ,
           euē
           of
           their
           owne
           companye
           ,
           of
           halfe
           that
           which
           the
           Magistrates
           of
           
             Narden
          
           had
           giuen
           them
           weekelye
           ,
           was
           thereupon
           (
           when
           it
           came
           to
           light
           )
           through
           widdow
           
             Colgates
          
           meanes
           called
           
             Iudas
          
           the
           purse-bearer
           in
           
             Narden
          
           for
           so
           doing
           :
           Not
           to
           speake
           of
           many
           such
           like
           instances
           that
           by
           him
           may
           be
           giuen
           .
           And
           for
           the
           Elders
           ioyntly
           :
        
         
           1.
           
           The
           church
           of
           Christ
           doe
           priuately
           admonish
           a
           priuate
           sin
           of
           a
           holy
           &
           louing
           affection
           :
           but
           their
           Elders
           could
           call
           ,
           
             R
             :
             W
             :
          
           before
           thē
           in
           the
           first
           place
           ,
           for
           a
           priuate
           thing
           :
           &
           threatē
           her
           excōmunication
           for
           that
           which
           after
           ward
           for
           shame
           they
           let
           fall
           .
        
         
           And
           for
           the
           peoples
           vncleanes
           ,
           cousning
           ,
           disgracing
           ,
           backe-biting
           ,
           &
           vndermining
           one
           of
           another
           amongst
           themselues
           ,
           it
           is
           a
           thing
           so
           common
           and
           
           well
           knowne
           of
           them
           at
           home
           and
           abroad
           ,
           that
           I
           neede
           not
           in
           this
           place
           to
           speake
           further
           of
           it
           ,
           heauen
           and
           earth
           can
           beare
           me
           witnesse
           against
           thē
           in
           those
           things
           :
           oh
           that
           they
           would
           apply
           vnto
           themselues
           and
           their
           practise
           that
           which
           the
           Prophet
           
             Ieremie
          
           speakes
           !
           
             Will
             they
             steale
             ,
             murther
             and
             commit
             adulterie
             &c.
             
             And
             yet
             crie
             the
             temple
             of
             the
             Lord
             ,
             the
             temple
             of
             the
             Lord
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Are
             these
             then
             this
             beautifull
             ?
             yea
             moste
             wonderful
             church
             ,
             rauishing
             the
             sences
             to
             conceiue
             of
             it
             ?
             are
             these
             the
             Saints
             then
             marching
             in
             such
             a
             heauenly
             and
             gracious
             aray
             ,
             where
             euery
             stone
             hath
             his
             beauty
             ,
             his
             burthen
             ,
             and
             his
             order
             ,
             where
             no
             law
             is
             wrongfully
             wrested
             ,
             or
             wilfully
             neglected
             ,
             no
             truth
             hid
             or
             peruerted
             ?
          
           or
           rather
           haue
           they
           not
           deluded
           many
           poore
           soules
           ,
           with
           such
           sweete
           wordes
           ,
           who
           when
           they
           haue
           seene
           their
           estate
           ,
           and
           their
           expectations
           so
           frustrated
           haue
           vsed
           these
           wordes
           :
           They
           neede
           neuer
           seperate
           themselues
           ,
           
           if
           they
           liue
           thus
           :
           for
           any
           Godly
           societie
           will
           quickely
           thrust
           them
           out
           from
           them
           so
           practising
           as
           they
           doe
        
         
           Certainely
           this
           their
           
             description
             of
             a
             visible
             Church
          
           is
           as
           cleare
           a
           testimony
           ,
           and
           as
           pregnant
           a
           sentence
           of
           condemnation
           against
           themselues
           and
           their
           practise
           as
           may
           be
           possible
           .
        
         
           But
           yet
           that
           their
           hypocrisie
           may
           further
           appeare
           ,
           let
           me
           giue
           the
           reader
           a
           taste
           also
           of
           their
           dealing
           in
           condemning
           others
           ,
           euen
           in
           those
           things
           that
           they
           would
           and
           doe
           practise
           themselues
           ,
           &
           that
           in
           these
           particulers
           .
        
         
         
           1.
           
           They
           condemne
           others
           ,
           
           for
           communicating
           with
           open
           offenders
           and
           yet
           practise
           it
           themselues
           as
           is
           before
           shewed
           .
        
         
           2.
           
           For
           making
           men
           to
           sweare
           to
           accuse
           themselues
           ,
           
           yet
           
             M.
             Ih.
          
           practised
           the
           same
           to
           one
           
             I.
             L
             ,
          
           and
           it
           is
           moreouer
           a
           common
           practise
           among
           them
           ,
           both
           publikely
           and
           priuately
           ,
           so
           to
           doe
           ,
           yet
           would
           their
           Elder
           
             Dan
             ,
             Studly
          
           neuer
           so
           much
           as
           denye
           the
           matter
           of
           incest
           with
           his
           wiues
           Daughter
           ,
           for
           the
           clearing
           of
           himselfe
           ,
           though
           hee
           were
           requested
           for
           the
           satisfying
           of
           weake
           Btetheren
           so
           to
           doe
           .
        
         
           3.
           
           They
           condemne
           the
           Dutch
           churches
           ,
           
           for
           baptising
           the
           seede
           of
           those
           that
           are
           not
           members
           of
           their
           church
           ,
           and
           yet
           
             M.
             Iohnson
          
           with
           the
           rest
           could
           offer
           to
           receiue
           M.
           
             Deuksberies
          
           childe
           to
           Baptisme
           ,
           and
           were
           offended
           at
           
             G
             :
             I
             :
          
           
           for
           witstanding
           it
           :
           and
           yet
           he
           neyther
           was
           ,
           nor
           would
           ioyne
           himselfe
           as
           a
           member
           vnto
           them
           .
        
         
           4.
           
           In
           like
           manner
           doe
           they
           deale
           with
           the
           Dutch
           churches
           of
           
             Amsterdam
             ,
          
           
           for
           hauing
           but
           one
           church
           in
           the
           Cittie
           .
           And
           yet
           
             M.
             Iohnson
          
           to
           vrge
           others
           to
           ioyne
           to
           them
           :
           (
           which
           for
           diuers
           disorders
           amongst
           them
           would
           not
           so
           doe
           )
           could
           alleadge
           that
           there
           was
           no
           warrant
           for
           two
           seuerall
           churches
           to
           be
           in
           one
           city
           in
           the
           scriptures
           .
        
         
           5.
           
           In
           the
           place
           aboue
           quoted
           ,
           they
           giue
           the
           like
           sentence
           against
           the
           Dutch
           and
           French
           Churches
           ,
           for
           deciding
           matters
           by
           the
           elders
           ,
           without
           the
           body
           of
           the
           church
           ,
           and
           not
           suffring
           in
           this
           respect
           
           the
           18.
           of
           
             Mat
          
           rightly
           to
           be
           obserued
           amōgst
           them
           :
           and
           yet
           their
           Elders
           ,
           viz
           :
           
             M.
             Fr
             :
             Ih.
             and
             his
             fellowes
             ,
          
           could
           decide
           one
           
             T.
             Canadyes
          
           matter
           ,
           who
           had
           accused
           himselfe
           to
           be
           rid
           of
           his
           wife
           ,
           
           and
           this
           without
           their
           knowledge
           or
           consent
           :
           But
           the
           said
           
             Canady
          
           not
           resting
           in
           the
           Elders
           determination
           ,
           brought
           it
           to
           their
           Church
           ,
           alleadging
           that
           he
           had
           iniury
           done
           to
           him
           ,
           
           in
           that
           
             W
             ,
             H
          
           could
           bee
           seperate
           frō
           his
           wife
           on
           his
           owne
           accusation
           of
           himselfe
           of
           adultery
           ,
           &
           he
           could
           not
           .
           And
           further
           to
           iustify
           the
           bringing
           of
           matters
           in
           the
           third
           place
           to
           their
           Elders
           (
           for
           so
           they
           practise
           before
           the
           matter
           bee
           brought
           to
           the
           whole
           church
           )
           they
           could
           alleadge
           the
           very
           same
           reasons
           against
           
             M.
             P.
          
           that
           they
           had
           before
           condemned
           in
           the
           Dutch.
           And
           for
           the
           18
           ,
           
             of
             Mat.
          
           how
           it
           is
           made
           a
           matter
           of
           partialitie
           and
           enuie
           ,
           yea
           a
           cloake
           to
           couer
           filthines
           withal
           at
           eueuery
           pinch
           amōgst
           them
           ,
           would
           grieue
           ones
           heart
           to
           consider
           .
        
         
           6.
           
           They
           condemne
           the
           Dutch
           &
           French
           aforesaid
           for
           worshipping
           God
           in
           the
           Idoll
           Temples
           of
           Antichrist
           ,
           yet
           themselues
           suffer
           their
           poore
           to
           receiue
           the
           almes
           of
           the
           Dutch
           ,
           which
           is
           a
           Sacrifice
           ,
           
             Phil
          
           4.
           18.
           in
           the
           same
           place
           :
           and
           if
           they
           giue
           thāks
           in
           receiuing
           their
           almes
           (
           as
           duety
           both
           to
           God
           &
           man
           bindes
           them
           to
           doe
           )
           Then
           doe
           they
           likewise
           worship
           God
           in
           the
           Idoll
           Temples
           :
           neyther
           will
           it
           helpe
           them
           to
           say
           that
           it
           is
           not
           publique
           worship
           ,
           which
           if
           they
           could
           prooue
           ,
           yet
           the
           commaūdement
           
             Deut.
          
           12.
           if
           it
           be
           moral
           ,
           as
           they
           account
           it
           ,
           
           and
           must
           bee
           executed
           on
           these
           temples
           ,
           then
           no
           ciuill
           vse
           of
           them
           may
           be
           had
           at
           all
           ;
           much
           lesse
           spirituall
           .
        
         
           7.
           
           They
           witnesse
           against
           the
           Dutch
           ,
           for
           vsing
           the
           censure
           of
           suspension
           :
           And
           yet
           themselues
           ,
           could
           suspend
           M.
           
             S
          
           many
           moneths
           together
           before
           his
           excommunication
           ,
           a
           man
           for
           learning
           &
           giftes
           worthy
           of
           his
           preferment
           among
           the
           dutch
           ,
           and
           to
           good
           too
           be
           of
           their
           fellowship
           .
        
         
           They
           condemne
           in
           others
           nonresidency
           ,
           
           And
           yet
           their
           Deacon
           
             D.
             Br.
          
           could
           neere
           three
           quarters
           of
           a
           yere
           be
           absent
           frō
           their
           church
           ,
           saue
           that
           twise
           or
           thrice
           ,
           about
           his
           Maisters
           businesse
           ,
           hee
           came
           ouer
           from
           
             London
          
           to
           
             Amsterdam
          
           to
           buye
           and
           sell
           wares
           .
           And
           this
           without
           any
           leaue
           of
           their
           church
           at
           
             Amsterdam
          
           so
           to
           doe
           .
           
           How
           did
           hee
           that
           hath
           an
           Office
           waite
           on
           his
           Office
           ?
        
         
           9.
           
           Lastly
           ,
           
           they
           passe
           the
           like
           sentence
           on
           the
           Dutch
           ,
           for
           becomming
           one
           body
           ,
           with
           excommunicates
           ,
           when
           as
           they
           excommunicate
           their
           owne
           members
           onely
           for
           hearing
           the
           word
           so
           much
           as
           preached
           amongst
           the
           Dutch
           or
           French
           ,
           yet
           are
           they
           one
           body
           with
           an
           excommunicate
           from
           the
           French
           church
           themselues
           .
           I
           might
           heere
           also
           note
           their
           like
           dealing
           with
           the
           Dutch
           ,
           for
           their
           obseruation
           of
           certaine
           Holy
           daies
           :
           yet
           doe
           these
           a
           mē
           obserue
           these
           holy
           daies
           as
           much
           as
           the
           Dutch
           ,
           as
           well
           in
           shutting
           their
           shops
           ,
           as
           also
           hauing
           their
           publique
           meetings
           for
           worshippe
           on
           these
           daies
           :
           Neyther
           haue
           they
           in
           so
           many
           yeares
           
           space
           had
           time
           to
           debate
           and
           discusse
           this
           matter
           among
           them
           ,
           
           as
           M.
           
             Ioh.
             Answered
             ,
             Sect.
          
           3.
           
             to
             the
             Preface
             ,
          
           fiue
           yeares
           agoe
           .
           But
           it
           would
           be
           long
           and
           teadious
           to
           bring
           the
           manifolde
           examples
           that
           in
           this
           kinde
           may
           be
           alleadged
           ,
           but
           vntill
           further
           ananswere
           ,
           these
           may
           suffice
           .
           Now
           let
           me
           aske
           them
           ,
           Are
           these
           things
           euill
           in
           others
           and
           good
           in
           them
           ?
           or
           as
           the
           Poet
           speakes
           
             iustū
             non
             iustum
             non
             iustum-iustum
             quod
             vobis
             labet
             :
          
           
           or
           wil
           they
           say
           as
           
             Medea
             in
          
           Ouid
           ,
           
             video
             meliora
             proboque
             deteriora
             sequor
             ?
          
           But
           rather
           wil
           they
           heare
           the
           Apostle
           
             Rom.
          
           2
           ,
           1.
           3.
           
           What
           art
           thou
           that
           condemnest
           another
           and
           doest
           the
           same
           ?
           Or
           the
           prophet
           
             Ps.
          
           50.
           16
           ,
           Why
           takest
           thou
           my
           word
           in
           thy
           mouth
           &
           hatest
           to
           be
           reformed
           ?
           Or
           Christ
           himselfe
           ,
           hypocrite
           first
           cast
           the
           beame
           out
           of
           thine
           owne
           &c
           
             Mat.
          
           7.
           5.
           
           One
           would
           little
           thinke
           that
           knew
           not
           their
           euill
           dealing
           that
           euer
           they
           would
           snatch
           vp
           that
           to
           serue
           their
           owne
           turne
           ,
           which
           they
           condemne
           in
           others
           .
        
         
           And
           heere
           although
           I
           might
           declare
           their
           false
           and
           impertinent
           allegation
           of
           Scripture
           ,
           as
           if
           it
           were
           no
           sinne
           to
           take
           the
           name
           of
           God
           in
           vaine
           &
           make
           the
           Scripture
           serue
           their
           fancy
           ;
           but
           because
           this
           hath
           beene
           done
           already
           in
           part
           by
           
             G
             ,
             I.
          
           in
           his
           booke
           page
           85
           ,
           which
           yet
           lyeth
           on
           them
           vnanswered
           ,
           and
           vpon
           further
           occasion
           may
           be
           further
           manifested
           :
           I
           will
           pastle
           by
           this
           ,
           as
           also
           their
           false
           accusations
           of
           whole
           Chuches
           ,
           as
           will
           appeare
           by
           comparing
           the
           7.
           a
           accusatiō
           ,
           with
           the
           practice
           of
           the
           Duch
           Churches
           ,
           and
           come
           to
           the
           4.
           thing
           
           that
           I
           proposed
           ,
           namely
           ,
           to
           shewe
           how
           they
           haue
           drawne
           the
           cursse
           of
           God
           on
           themselues
           by
           rash
           ,
           vniust
           and
           wicked
           excomunication
           .
        
         
           1
           And
           heere
           I
           may
           speak
           of
           27
           or
           there
           abouts
           euen
           one
           halfe
           of
           them
           ,
           at
           that
           time
           ,
           and
           that
           of
           the
           elder
           sorte
           :
           which
           all
           within
           a
           very
           short
           space
           were
           cast
           out
           for
           refusing
           to
           come
           being
           sent
           for
           ,
           to
           the
           meeting
           of
           the
           other
           part
           ,
           although
           they
           answered
           ,
           that
           on
           the
           suddaine
           they
           could
           not
           come
           at
           so
           short
           space
           and
           warning
           ,
           for
           diuers
           busines
           ,
           but
           would
           come
           at
           any
           other
           time
           which
           on
           both
           sides
           should
           bee
           thought
           conuenient
           ,
           And
           although
           one
           of
           thē
           
             H.
             A.
          
           was
           distracted
           in
           minde
           :
           but
           they
           spared
           none
           ,
           &
           this
           excommunication
           was
           confirmed
           by
           the
           Pastor
           
             M.
             Ih.
          
           Howbeit
           ,
           afterward
           was
           this
           excommunication
           repealed
           with
           fasting
           and
           prayer
           ,
           and
           acknowledged
           to
           be
           rash
           and
           vniust
           ,
           and
           all
           receiued
           in
           againe
           ,
           and
           they
           that
           withstood
           their
           receauing
           in
           ,
           were
           on
           the
           other
           side
           excommunicated
           .
           
           Notwithstanding
           ,
           after
           this
           againe
           ,
           because
           their
           Pastor
           was
           vrged
           to
           acknowledge
           his
           sinne
           by
           one
           of
           thē
           ,
           
             C.
             S.
          
           they
           were
           all
           turned
           out
           againe
           .
           Such
           dallying
           with
           the
           Lords
           ordnances
           is
           fearefull
           .
        
         
           2.
           
           As
           also
           how
           they
           deliuered
           diuers
           to
           Sathan
           for
           hearing
           the
           word
           preached
           in
           the
           Dutch
           church
           ,
           though
           some
           were
           encouraged
           by
           their
           pastor
           and
           teacher
           so
           to
           doe
           ,
           and
           promised
           to
           bee
           borne
           out
           in
           it
           by
           themselues
           ,
           as
           namely
           M.
           
             S.
          
           yet
           after
           they
           brake
           ,
           promise
           with
           him
           &
           cast
           him
           out
           .
        
         
         
           3.
           
           Or
           what
           will
           they
           say
           to
           this
           ?
           M.
           
             Iohnson
          
           with
           diuers
           others
           of
           their
           leaders
           ,
           put
           downe
           reasons
           vnder
           their
           hands
           ,
           that
           Apostates
           might
           :
           not
           beare
           office
           from
           the
           Scriptures
           ,
           and
           so
           practised
           ;
           yet
           after
           that
           M.
           
             Ainsworthes
          
           Apostasie
           was
           discouered
           ,
           to
           keepe
           him
           in
           office
           ,
           they
           altered
           their
           judgement
           and
           practise
           ,
           and
           those
           that
           would
           not
           be
           brought
           to
           their
           will
           ,
           
           they
           cast
           out
           likewise
           ;
           although
           they
           would
           neuer
           answere
           their
           owne
           reasons
           in
           writing
           ,
           in
           like
           sorte
           as
           they
           had
           set
           them
           downe
           :
           no
           nor
           suffer
           their
           owne
           reasons
           to
           be
           read
           in
           their
           meeting
           ,
           being
           requested
           thereunto
           .
           Is
           not
           this
           to
           play
           Sathās
           part
           to
           bring
           men
           to
           distruction
           ,
           and
           not
           vse
           as
           good
           meanes
           to
           recouer
           them
           out
           againe
           ?
           
             M.
             Ad.
          
           for
           lesse
           Apostasie
           was
           not
           suffered
           to
           beare
           an
           inferior
           office
           among
           them
           .
        
         
           Besides
           ,
           
           they
           haue
           cast
           out
           
             W.
             A.
          
           for
           recalling
           a
           former
           Schisme
           ;
           yet
           the
           said
           
             W.
             A.
          
           did
           &
           still
           doth
           stand
           to
           that
           acknowledgement
           which
           was
           vnder
           his
           hand
           ,
           wherewith
           all
           they
           were
           satisfied
           .
           Of
           this
           I
           with
           others
           haue
           written
           to
           them
           ,
           but
           could
           get
           no
           answere
           ;
           
           yet
           that
           schisme
           was
           for
           not
           appealing
           to
           the
           Dutch
           Churches
           :
           and
           if
           they
           doe
           appeale
           ,
           then
           hath
           
             M.
             Ih.
          
           with
           the
           rest
           refused
           vtterly
           to
           be
           tryed
           by
           them
           .
        
         
           5.
           
           Others
           they
           haue
           likewise
           accursed
           ,
           that
           being
           the
           parties
           innocēt
           desired
           to
           liue
           with
           the
           parties
           offendors
           ,
           as
           man
           and
           wife
           together
           ,
           as
           before
           they
           did
           in
           the
           marriage
           couenāt
           ,
           vpon
           forgiuenes
           
           of
           their
           sin
           of
           adultery
           as
           already
           is
           mencioned
           in
           
             H
             C.
          
           &
           one
           
             Homes
          
           his
           wife
           .
           
        
         
           Another
           woman
           they
           excommunicated
           ,
           because
           the
           brought
           not
           her
           Childe
           to
           Baptisme
           to
           them
           ,
           when
           her
           husbād
           had
           forbid
           her
           in
           any
           case
           so
           to
           doe
           ,
           who
           had
           likewise
           reprooued
           diuers
           grosse
           abuses
           amongst
           thē
           ,
           and
           could
           receiue
           neyther
           answere
           nor
           due
           repentance
           thereof
           frō
           them
           ;
           the
           woman
           alleaged
           that
           
             Tymothies
          
           mother
           was
           a
           faithfull
           woman
           ,
           and
           one
           that
           brought
           vp
           herson
           in
           the
           feare
           of
           God
           from
           his
           Child-hood
           ,
           yet
           did
           she
           not
           circumcise
           him
           :
           and
           no
           other
           cause
           mencioned
           ,
           but
           that
           his
           Father
           was
           a
           
             Grecian
             .
          
           1.
           
           
             Tim.
          
           4.
           6.
           2.
           
           
             Tim.
          
           1.
           5.
           
           
             Act.
          
           16
           ,
           3.
           whereunto
           shee
           could
           get
           no
           answere
           .
           Their
           a
           Doctor
           indeede
           said
           ,
           that
           
             Tymothies
          
           mother
           was
           dead
           ,
           and
           so
           he
           might
           haue
           said
           of
           
             Moses
             ,
          
           and
           the
           Prophets
           too
           .
        
         
           Their
           Pastor
           Maister
           
             F.
             I.
          
           made
           doubt
           of
           that
           Scripture
           ,
           and
           staid
           her
           excommunication
           ,
           as
           saying
           he
           would
           not
           consent
           to
           it
           :
           yet
           after
           the
           womā
           had
           a
           little
           vnfoulded
           his
           euill
           dealing
           ,
           the
           same
           Maister
           
             F.
             Ih.
          
           at
           the
           same
           time
           ,
           could
           change
           his
           note
           and
           say
           ,
           if
           that
           none
           else
           would
           ,
           yet
           would
           he
           be
           the
           man
           that
           should
           excommunicate
           her
           .
           And
           indeede
           asterward
           they
           so
           did
           ,
           and
           all
           that
           would
           not
           yeild
           to
           her
           excōmunicatiō
           ,
           as
           namely
           Mistris
           
             S.
          
           Widdowe
           Ch
           :
           and
           
             R.
             R.
          
           though
           the
           chiefe
           b
           magistrate
           of
           the
           cittie
           forbid
           them
           so
           to
           doe
           .
           Diuers
           other
           reasons
           were
           alleadged
           about
           this
           matter
           ,
           which
           we
           shal
           haue
           time
           to
           relate
           ,
           after
           that
           we
           
           haue
           seene
           their
           answere
           to
           this
           ,
           if
           they
           will
           be
           at
           leasure
           so
           to
           doe
           .
           Now
           may
           I
           not
           wish
           that
           they
           had
           not
           verified
           the
           Orators
           saying
           ?
           
             He
             that
             once
             passeth
             the
             boundes
             of
             modesty
             ,
             becommeth
             impudent
             out
             of
             measure
             .
          
        
         
           Thus
           doe
           they
           abuse
           the
           holy
           ordinance
           of
           God
           to
           satisfie
           their
           owne
           reuenging
           stomacks
           ,
           
           
             non
             it
             a
             precipitanter
             in
             quenquam
             torquendum
             .
          
           Is
           this
           the
           long
           suffering
           spirit
           of
           meekenes
           in
           recouering
           and
           seeking
           the
           lost
           ?
        
         
           Or
           doe
           they
           not
           knowe
           that
           the
           curse
           is
           not
           in
           vaine
           ,
           if
           it
           cleaues
           not
           to
           them
           to
           whome
           it
           is
           giuen
           it
           lights
           on
           the
           giuer
           ?
           Are
           not
           then
           their
           Bulls
           of
           excommunications
           so
           many
           curses
           on
           their
           owne
           pates
           ?
           shall
           I
           say
           to
           vse
           their
           owne
           allegation
           out
           of
           the
           Prophet
           ,
           
           
             As
             he
             loued
             cursing
             so
             shall
             it
             come
             vnto
             him
             ,
             and
             as
             he
             loued
             not
             blessing
             ,
             so
             shall
             it
             be
             farre
             from
             him
             ,
             and
             as
             hee
             cloathed
             himselfe
             with
             cursing
             like
             a
             rayment
             ,
             so
             shall
             it
             come
             into
             his
             bowells
             like
             water
             ,
             and
             like
             oyle
             into
             his
             bones
             ?
          
           Surelye
           God
           that
           will
           not
           holde
           him
           guiltles
           that
           taketh
           his
           name
           in
           vaine
           ,
           
           will
           neuer
           such
           profanation
           of
           his
           name
           and
           ordinance
           to
           goe
           in
           vaine
           .
        
         
           And
           for
           some
           of
           them
           that
           are
           by
           these
           accursed
           I
           know
           they
           haue
           learned
           Christ
           otherwise
           then
           so
           ,
           as
           to
           feare
           the
           cursse
           causeles
           .
           The
           Lord
           promised
           to
           
             Abraham
          
           whose
           children
           they
           are
           ,
           euen
           manye
           which
           they
           haue
           cast
           out
           ,
           that
           hee
           would
           
             blesse
             them
             that
             blesse
             thee
             ,
          
           
           
             and
             curse
             them
             that
             cursse
             thee
             .
             &c.
          
           And
           let
           them
           say
           as
           
             Dauid
          
           of
           
             Shimei
             ,
             It
             
             may
             bee
             the
             Lord
             will
             doe
             us
             good
             for
             their
             cursing
             this
             day
             ,
          
           yea
           ,
           let
           them
           acknowledge
           Gods
           goodnesse
           towards
           them
           in
           drawing
           them
           out
           of
           their
           Tents
           ,
           as
           I
           doe
           his
           mercy
           towards
           me
           in
           keeping
           me
           frō
           ioyning
           with
           thē
           ,
           being
           yet
           sometimes
           addicted
           too
           much
           vnto
           thē
           ,
           before
           I
           perceiued
           their
           fearefull
           estate
           .
           I
           could
           cite
           many
           other
           things
           yet
           viler
           ,
           as
           their
           Sauadge
           and
           cruell
           dealing
           to
           fatherlesse
           Children
           :
           as
           namely
           Maister
           
             P.
          
           and
           Maister
           
             B.
          
           his
           Children
           ,
           and
           other
           such
           like
           .
        
         
           But
           I
           like
           not
           now
           to
           saile
           further
           in
           this
           Ocean
           ,
           but
           will
           content
           my selfe
           with
           the
           confession
           of
           their
           owne
           members
           ,
           
           
             W.
             C.
          
           I
           thought
           (
           said
           he
           )
           
             that
             they
             had
             beene
             all
             Saints
             ,
             but
             I
             haue
             found
             them
             all
             deuils
             ,
          
           and
           this
           before
           many
           witnesses
           :
           yet
           is
           this
           man
           still
           a
           member
           amongst
           them
           .
           And
           for
           these
           excommunicators
           the
           Lord
           giue
           them
           grace
           to
           repent
           ,
           that
           they
           may
           neuer
           haue
           their
           portion
           among
           the
           cursed
           ,
           to
           heare
           that
           fearefull
           sentence
           ,
           Goe
           ye
           cursed
           :
           which
           is
           the
           thing
           I
           wish
           them
           from
           my
           heart
           .
           Amen
           .
        
         
           Since
           then
           they
           haue
           confuted
           their
           owne
           writings
           ,
           and
           giuen
           the
           black
           sentence
           of
           condemnation
           to
           the
           other
           Churches
           of
           Christ
           that
           haue
           beene
           ,
           yea
           and
           themselues
           ,
           by
           their
           description
           ,
           and
           practise
           that
           amongst
           themselues
           which
           they
           condemne
           in
           others
           :
           let
           others
           take
           heede
           howe
           they
           pertake
           in
           their
           sinnes
           ,
           least
           also
           they
           taste
           of
           their
           fond
           excommunications
           .
        
         
           And
           for
           the
           prophane
           (
           not
           to
           speake
           here
           of
           the
           
           popish
           factiō
           drowned
           in
           superstitiō
           ,
           whole
           fruites
           are
           treachery
           )
           let
           them
           not
           heerby
           be
           hardned
           the
           more
           in
           their
           sinne
           ,
           &
           prophanes
           ,
           but
           rather
           seeing
           they
           that
           ftriue
           if
           they
           striue
           not
           lawfully
           ,
           doe
           yet
           misse
           of
           the
           marke
           they
           ayme
           at
           ;
           what
           shall
           bee
           the
           end
           of
           those
           that
           set
           not
           forward
           at
           all
           in
           the
           waies
           of
           God
           ?
           let
           them
           remember
           that
           the
           gate
           is
           straite
           and
           the
           way
           narrow
           that
           leadeth
           to
           life
           ,
           
           &
           the
           sewnes
           of
           those
           that
           finde
           it
           .
           And
           for
           the
           Israel
           of
           God
           ,
           The
           Lord
           giue
           them
           holynesse
           &
           peace
           ,
           
           without
           the
           which
           ,
           they
           shall
           neuer
           see
           him
           to
           their
           comfort
           .
        
         
           Hee
           that
           causeth
           the
           righteous
           to
           goe
           astray
           by
           an
           euill
           way
           ,
           shall
           fall
           into
           his
           owne
           pit
           .
           Pro.
           28.
           10.
           
        
         
           
             Thine
             in
             Christ
             ,
             Tho
             :
             White
             .
          
        
         
           
             Since
             I
             had
             finished
             this
             treatise
             ,
             I
             heare
             that
             
               Tho
               :
               Canady
            
             before
             mencioned
             ,
             hath
             liued
             in
             
               Sodometry
            
             with
             his
             Boy
             ,
             as
             the
             Apostle
             speakes
             of
             the
             heathen
             ,
             
             
               men
               with
               men
               wrought
               filthines
               ,
               &c.
            
             and
             notwithstanding
             his
             great
             wayling
             ,
             is
             now
             cast
             out
             ,
             wherin
             it
             seemeth
             they
             haue
             forgotten
             their
             wonted
             allegation
             :
             
             
               If
               thy
               brother
               sinne
               against
               thee
               not
               alone
               vntil
               seuen
               times
               ,
               but
               seuenty
               times
               seauen
               ,
               thou
               shalt
               for
               giue
               him
               ;
            
             
             
               If
               hee
               returne
               againe
               and
               say
               it
               repenteth
               me
               &c.
               
            
          
        
      
       
         
         
           Certaine
           briefe
           reasons
           proouing
           the
           vse
           of
           the
           Lords
           prayer
           as
           a
           Prayer
           .
        
         
           1.
           
           AN
           expresse
           commaundement
           neyther
           contrary
           to
           nature
           ,
           nor
           analogy
           of
           Faith
           ,
           and
           agreeable
           also
           to
           the
           drift
           and
           tenor
           of
           the
           place
           ,
           ought
           litterally
           to
           bee
           vnderstood
           and
           obeyed
           .
        
         
           But
           this
           ,
           Mat.
           6.
           9.
           
           
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
          
           
             &c.
          
           And
           
             Luc.
          
           11.
           2.
           
           
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
             〈◊〉
          
           say
           our
           Father
           ,
           &c.
           is
           such
           an
           expresse
           commaundement
           &c.
           ergo
           It
           is
           also
           so
           to
           be
           vnderstood
           and
           vsed
           .
        
         
           2.
           
           It
           Christ
           had
           taught
           onely
           to
           pray
           to
           this
           effect
           ,
           then
           had
           he
           taught
           nothing
           but
           that
           which
           
             Iohns
          
           Disciples
           and
           al
           the
           faithful
           practised
           before
           :
           for
           the
           Prayers
           of
           the
           Saints
           ,
           as
           of
           
             Salomon
             ,
             Nehemiah
             ,
             Daniel
             ,
          
           were
           to
           that
           effect
           before
           .
        
         
           3.
           
           Whatsoeuer
           Scripture
           hath
           in
           euery
           respect
           the
           forme
           of
           Prayer
           ,
           that
           is
           not
           alone
           matter
           of
           Doctrine
           ,
           but
           hath
           beene
           vsed
           also
           as
           Prayer
           .
        
         
           But
           this
           Scripture
           Math.
           6.
           9.
           hath
           in
           euery
           respect
           
           the
           forme
           of
           Prayer
           :
           as
           ,
           
             Our
             Father
             ,
             giue
             vs
             ,
             leade
             vs
             ,
          
           and
           
             amen
             ,
             annexed
             in
             the
             end
             :
             ergo
             .
          
           And
           indeed
           how
           can
           they
           tell
           ,
           which
           were
           Prayers
           and
           which
           not
           ,
           if
           not
           by
           their
           forme
           of
           Petition
           ?
           wherby
           they
           are
           distinguished
           from
           Doctrines
           ,
           &
           rules
           proposed
           in
           an
           other
           forme
           ,
           as
           Mat.
           7.
           7.
           
           &
           21.
           22
           ,
           1.
           
           Ioh.
           5.
           14.
           
        
         
           4.
           
           In
           a
           duety
           to
           bee
           vsed
           of
           all
           ,
           the
           holy
           Ghost
           is
           plaine
           :
           but
           if
           those
           very
           words
           are
           not
           to
           bee
           vsed
           as
           a
           Prayer
           ,
           no
           christian
           for
           1500.
           yeares
           &
           more
           ,
           did
           vnderstand
           our
           Lords
           meaning
           .
        
         
           But
           they
           say
           that
           the
           Apostles
           neuer
           vsed
           those
           very
           wordes
           in
           prayer
           .
           I
           answere
           :
        
         
           1.
           
           An
           expresse
           commaundemēt
           is
           warrant
           sufficient
           without
           example
           .
        
         
           2.
           
           There
           is
           no
           example
           in
           the
           whole
           booke
           of
           Gen
           :
           of
           the
           obseruation
           of
           the
           Sabaoth
           for
           2369.
           yeares
           space
           after
           the
           institution
           of
           it
           .
           Gen.
           2.
           
           Neither
           to
           come
           nearer
           ,
           is
           their
           any
           example
           of
           Baptising
           ,
           
             in
             the
             name
             of
             the
             Father
             ,
             Sonne
             and
             holy
             Ghost
          
           )
           yet
           is
           the
           commaundement
           of
           Christ
           sufficient
           warrant
           so
           to
           doe
           .
           Compare
           Math.
           28.
           19.
           with
           Act.
           10.
           28.
           
           &
           19.
           5.
           
        
         
           3.
           
           It
           is
           the
           
             Anabaptists
          
           reasoning
           against
           childrens
           baptisme
           ,
           asking
           for
           an
           example
           ,
           whē
           otherwise
           there
           is
           sufficient
           warrant
           so
           to
           doe
           ,
           yet
           are
           their
           Pretences
           as
           good
           or
           better
           then
           
             M
             :
             Iohnsons
          
           in
           refusing
           obedience
           to
           our
           Lords
           commaundement
           for
           want
           of
           an
           example
           .
        
         
           4.
           
           The
           Prayers
           mencioned
           in
           the
           new
           Testament
           ,
           
           are
           such
           as
           were
           poured
           foorth
           vpon
           speciall
           occasion
           as
           Act.
           4.
           24.
           
           Ioh.
           17.
           
        
         
           5.
           
           Let
           them
           shewe
           mee
           an
           example
           where
           euer
           the
           Apostles
           prayed
           before
           their
           Sermons
           ;
           if
           they
           can
           .
        
         
           FINIS
           .
        
      
    
     
       
         
           Errata
           .
        
         
           IN
           the
           Preface
           the
           first
           line
           ,
           leaue
           out
           (
           dangerous
           )
           for
           Luc.
           1.
           14.
           15.
           reade
           Luc.
           1.
           74.
           75.
           
           For
           
             H.
             C.
          
           read
           
             H
             Cooke
             .
          
           Page
           .
           10-in
           the
           margent
           For
           latter
           ,
           (
           reade
           former
           .
           )
           Page
           14
           ,
           line
           22.
           
        
      
       
         Notes, typically marginal, from the original text
         
           Notes for div A15110-e150
           
             
               〈◊〉
               〈◊〉
               〈◊〉
               〈◊〉
               〈◊〉
            
          
        
         
           Notes for div A15110-e310
           
             Page
             .
             147.
             
             Last
             answ
             .
             to
             M.
             
               Iac.
               
            
          
           
             Answere
             to
             M.
             
               H.
               
            
          
           
             Answer
             to
             M.
             
               Iun.
            
             let
             :
          
           
             As
             in
             the
             True
             descript
             :
             of
             a
             visible
             Ch
             :
          
           
             Mat.
             12.
             27
             
          
           
             Last
             answ
             :
             to
             
               M.
               la.
               
            
          
           
             Last
             answ
             :
             to
             .
             
               M.
               Iac
               :
            
          
           
             Answ
             :
             to
             M.
             
               H.
            
             page
             49.
             
          
           
             Cic.
             orat
             :
             
               P.
               Qu.
               
            
          
           
             Last
             answ
             :
             to
             M.
             
               Ia
               :
            
             Page
             .
             196.
             
          
           
             Last
             answ
             :
             to
             M.
             
               Ia.
               
            
          
           
             Refut
             .
             
               of
            
             Giff.
             
          
           
             
               Pro.
            
             12.
             13
             
             Answ
             :
             to
             the
             pref
             .
             Sect.
             1.
             
          
           
             As
             namely
             in
             
               Iudith
               Holder
            
             and
             others
             .
          
           
             
               〈◊〉
               〈◊〉
               〈◊〉
               〈◊〉
               〈◊〉
            
             .
          
           
             Tertul
             :
             lib.
             de
             orat
             :
          
           
             Mr.
             P.
             I.
             L.
             W.
             N.
             
               and
               others
               .
            
          
           
             Robert
             Bayly
             .
          
           
             H.
             C.
             
          
           
             Answ
             :
             to
             
               M
               H
               :
            
          
           
             Page
             .
             202
             ,
             last
             answ
             :
             to
             
               Ia.
               
            
          
           
             Treatise
             so
             entituled
             .
          
           
             
               Of
               his
               booke
               entituled
            
             A
             discourse
             of
             certaine
             troubles
             and
             excom
             .
             &c.
             
          
           
             By
             M.
             S.
             
          
           
             Pro.
             17.
             21.
             
             &
             20.
             20.
             
          
           
             1.
             
             Tim
             ,
             3.
             
          
           
             Before
             M.
             
               Powell
            
             and
             others
             .
          
           
             W.
             F
             ,
             &
             E.H.
             
          
           
             Page
             .
             157.
             
          
           
             
               Page
               .
            
             63
             Iohn
             Landen
             .
          
           
             Answ
             :
             to
             
               Iun.
            
             letters
             page
             
          
           
             George
             Ioh.
             
          
           
             Consisting
             of
             so
             greate
             a
             multitude
             
          
           
             Of
             adultery
             .
          
           
             W.
             Holder
             .
          
           
             Page
             .
             65.
             
             Last
             answ
             :
             to
             
               H.
               I.
               
            
          
           
             Rom.
             12.
             
          
           
             M.
             
               Ih.
            
             &c.
             
          
           
             a
             M.
             
               Fr
               :
               Ih
               :
            
             and
             the
             rest
             .
          
           
             Of
             the
             last
             answ
             :
             to
             M
             
               Ia
               :
            
          
           
             Plautus
             .
          
           
             a
             Neh.
             6.
             8.
             
             Pro.
             24.
             28.
             
             Confess
             :
             with
             
               Iun
               :
            
             let
             :
             page
             .
             54
             
          
           
             W.
             A.
             
          
           
             W.
             A.
             
          
           
             Williā
             Asplen
             .
          
           
             Before
             his
             departing
             from
             them
             .
          
           
             Hen.
             Cooke
             .
          
           
             a
             And
             the
             onely
             Doctor
             in
             the
             world
             in
             their
             account
             .
          
           
             b
             The
             head
             skout
             .
          
           
             Pol.
             virg
             :
             li
             :
             4o.
             
               cap.
            
             12
             
          
           
             Ps.
             109.
             17.
             18.
             
          
           
             Ex.
             20.
             7.
             
          
           
             Gen.
             12.
             3.
             2.
             
             Sam.
             16.
             12.
             
          
           
             W.
             Clerk.
             
          
           
             Math.
             7.
             13
             
          
           
             Heb.
             12.
             14
             
          
           
             Rom.
             1.
             
          
           
             Mat.
             18.
             22
             
          
           
             Luc.
             17.
             4.