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             The answer of the masters of the Trinitie-house, to the speciall obiections of the patentee, to the keeping of Winterton lights
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           Meldrum, John, -- Sir, d. 1645.
           Erskine, William.
           Lighthouses -- England.
           Shipping -- Taxation -- Great Britain -- Early works to 1800.
           Great Britain -- History -- James I, 1603-1625.
           Broadsides -- London (England) -- 17th century.
        
      
    
     
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           The
           Answer
           of
           the
           Masters
           of
           the
           Trinitie-house
           ,
           to
           the
           speciall
           Obiections
           of
           the
           Patentee
           ,
           for
           the
           keeping
           of
           
             VVinterton
          
           lights
           .
        
         
           
           WHereas
           it
           is
           obiected
           ,
           that
           from
           the
           eighth
           of
           
             Elizabeth
             ,
          
           we
           neuer
           set
           vp
           light-houses
           at
           
             Winterton
          
           vntill
           this
           time
           :
           we
           answer
           ,
           it
           is
           true
           .
           The
           reason
           is
           ,
           that
           vntill
           now
           ,
           there
           was
           neuer
           cause
           ,
           neither
           in
           the
           ●●●gements
           of
           our selues
           ,
           nor
           of
           the
           Masters
           of
           shipping
           ,
           trading
           that
           coast
           .
           About
           2
           or
           3
           miles
           from
           
             Winterton
             ,
          
           13
           or
           14
           yeares
           since
           ,
           we
           built
           2
           light-houses
           ,
           and
           layd
           2
           booyes
           at
           a
           place
           called
           
             Castor
             :
          
           at
           which
           time
           we
           sounded
           all
           those
           channels
           ,
           but
           found
           no
           cause
           why
           to
           set
           vp
           ,
           or
           lay
           out
           any
           sea-marke
           ,
           either
           for
           day
           or
           night
           at
           
             Winterton
             .
          
           Some
           10
           yeares
           since
           ,
           or
           thereabouts
           ,
           we
           made
           2
           other
           light-houses
           at
           
             Lowstoffe
             :
          
           at
           which
           time
           we
           likewise
           sounded
           all
           those
           channels
           on
           that
           coast
           ,
           but
           found
           no
           cause
           for
           any
           sea-marke
           at
           
             Winterton
             :
          
           so
           good
           was
           the
           channell
           there
           ,
           that
           we
           thought
           it
           not
           needfull
           ;
           neither
           was
           it
           held
           necessary
           by
           others
           .
           Some
           6
           yeares
           since
           ,
           or
           thereabouts
           ,
           we
           sent
           six
           of
           the
           chiefest
           of
           our
           Corporation
           ,
           with
           ketches
           or
           boates
           to
           sound
           all
           those
           channels
           vpon
           that
           coast
           ;
           and
           to
           erect
           ,
           and
           lay
           out
           such
           and
           so
           many
           sea-markes
           ,
           as
           to
           them
           should
           seeme
           good
           :
           yet
           found
           no
           cause
           to
           set
           vp
           any
           light-house
           at
           
             Winterton
             .
          
           But
           now
           some
           4
           yeares
           since
           ▪
           or
           thereabouts
           ,
           in
           one
           Winter
           the
           sands
           altered
           ,
           and
           the
           channell
           grew
           dangerous
           :
           and
           presently
           after
           ,
           fell
           a
           wracke
           of
           5
           or
           6
           ships
           :
           yet
           not
           so
           much
           by
           the
           alteration
           of
           the
           channell
           ,
           as
           by
           a
           great
           storme
           or
           tempest
           ,
           that
           happened
           by
           night
           :
           which
           ouer-ruled
           the
           skill
           and
           cunning
           of
           the
           Pilots
           ,
           to
           the
           losse
           of
           the
           foresaid
           ships
           :
           yet
           were
           not
           all
           the
           ships
           lost
           which
           were
           in
           this
           storme
           ,
           and
           in
           the
           company
           of
           those
           lost
           ships
           :
           for
           the
           whole
           number
           of
           ships
           was
           35
           or
           40
           ,
           of
           which
           onely
           fiue
           or
           sixe
           were
           lost
           .
        
         
           
           Presently
           vpon
           this
           ,
           we
           made
           preparation
           ,
           (
           which
           was
           seconded
           by
           a
           generall
           petition
           from
           all
           the
           owners
           and
           Masters
           of
           ships
           trading
           
             New-castle
             ,
          
           and
           that
           North
           coast
           )
           and
           began
           to
           build
           our
           Tower-light
           in
           March
           ,
           and
           finished
           it
           in
           Iune
           following
           ;
           which
           cost
           vs
           600
           pounds
           ;
           and
           kept
           our
           lights
           from
           Iune
           to
           Aprill
           following
           ,
           without
           any
           collection
           towards
           the
           charge
           .
           By
           which
           time
           the
           Patentee
           obtained
           his
           patent
           (
           dated
           the
           xviij
           of
           Febr.
           1617.
           )
           by
           vertue
           whereof
           we
           were
           commanded
           to
           put
           out
           our
           lights
           :
           which
           we
           did
           .
           And
           afterwards
           the
           Patentee
           broke
           open
           the
           doore
           of
           our
           tower-light
           ,
           and
           kept
           his
           light
           in
           it
           ,
           vntill
           his
           owne
           structures
           were
           erected
           .
        
         
           
           Whereas
           it
           is
           auerred
           and
           deliuered
           ,
           that
           the
           Patentee
           hath
           bene
           at
           25
           or
           30
           hundred
           pounds
           vpon
           the
           charge
           of
           his
           structures
           ,
           or
           houses
           built
           at
           
             Winterton
             :
          
           we
           answer
           ,
           that
           the
           like
           structures
           or
           houses
           may
           be
           built
           for
           150
           pounds
           ,
           or
           thereabouts
           .
           And
           for
           the
           surplus
           of
           charges
           ,
           we
           professe
           ,
           not
           to
           vnderstand
           it
           ,
           neither
           do
           we
           thinke
           that
           the
           Patentee
           can
           giue
           an
           account
           thereof
           .
        
         
           
           For
           the
           monethly
           or
           yearely
           charges
           of
           keeping
           the
           said
           lights
           ;
           we
           answer
           :
           that
           it
           is
           about
           11
           or
           12
           pounds
           a
           moneth
           ,
           which
           is
           130
           pounds
           ,
           or
           thereabouts
           ,
           a
           yeare
           .
        
         
           
           Towards
           this
           his
           charge
           in
           erecting
           ,
           and
           for
           his
           maintenance
           of
           these
           lights
           ,
           3
           yeares
           or
           thereabouts
           he
           hath
           receiued
           the
           collection
           of
           2
           pence
           vpon
           euery
           chaldron
           of
           coales
           :
           which
           amounteth
           yearely
           to
           the
           summe
           of
           14
           or
           15
           hundred
           pounds
           ;
           besides
           the
           collection
           of
           one
           pennie
           vpon
           the
           tunne
           of
           all
           other
           ships
           trading
           that
           coast
           :
           
           which
           (
           being
           40
           pence
           vpon
           euery
           20
           chaldron
           )
           is
           neere
           seuen
           times
           so
           much
           as
           the
           voluntary
           contribution
           (
           of
           6
           pence
           vpon
           euery
           20
           chaldron
           )
           accepted
           by
           the
           
             Trinitie-house
             ,
          
           for
           maintenance
           of
           their
           lights
           .
        
         
           Now
           it
           resteth
           to
           answer
           to
           the
           difference
           ,
           betweene
           the
           Patentee
           ,
           and
           the
           Masters
           of
           the
           
             Trinitie-house
             ,
          
           in
           point
           of
           qualitie
           ,
           and
           care
           ,
           for
           well
           keeping
           of
           the
           said
           lights
           .
        
         
           
           Of
           the
           Patentee
           ,
           we
           will
           say
           but
           this
           :
           he
           is
           no
           sea-man
           .
           In
           the
           nature
           of
           sea-markes
           ,
           sands
           ,
           channels
           ,
           tides
           ,
           &c.
           he
           neither
           doth
           ,
           nor
           can
           possibly
           vnderstand
           .
        
         
           
           For
           the
           Masters
           of
           the
           
             Trinitie-house
             ,
          
           in
           point
           of
           qualitie
           ,
           who
           can
           iustly
           except
           against
           vs
           ?
           Are
           we
           not
           sea-men
           ,
           bred
           euen
           from
           our
           childhood
           ,
           in
           the
           knowledge
           of
           marine
           affaires
           :
           of
           nauigable
           channels
           ,
           sands
           ,
           ebbing
           ,
           flowing
           ,
           and
           setting
           of
           tides
           :
           in
           the
           knowledge
           of
           setting
           out
           of
           sea-markes
           ,
           whether
           for
           day
           or
           night
           ?
           is
           not
           this
           knowledge
           within
           the
           compasse
           of
           our
           element
           ,
           and
           of
           ours
           onely
           ?
           Are
           we
           not
           at
           home
           ,
           when
           we
           are
           in
           our
           ships
           ,
           surging
           in
           those
           channels
           ,
           and
           on
           the
           seas
           ?
           who
           will
           or
           can
           dispute
           or
           reason
           with
           vs
           in
           this
           element
           ?
           it
           is
           proper
           to
           vs
           ,
           improper
           to
           all
           other
           .
        
         
           
           In
           point
           of
           care
           ,
           may
           any
           be
           equall
           to
           vs
           ?
           we
           aduenture
           our
           liues
           ,
           our
           estates
           ,
           yea
           all
           our
           meanes
           within
           the
           compasse
           of
           these
           channels
           :
           our
           hopes
           in
           all
           depend
           vpon
           the
           knowledge
           of
           channels
           ,
           sands
           ,
           and
           the
           well
           keeping
           of
           sea-markes
           .
           His
           Maiestie
           reposeth
           the
           trust
           ,
           the
           care
           and
           charge
           of
           his
           Nauie
           royall
           (
           in
           point
           of
           conduction
           and
           pilotage
           )
           to
           vs
           ;
           we
           say
           ,
           to
           vs
           onely
           :
           neither
           will
           his
           Ma
           :
           repose
           this
           trust
           in
           any
           other
           Corporation
           or
           Companie
           in
           this
           kingdome
           .
           If
           all
           these
           weightie
           motiues
           be
           not
           of
           force
           ,
           to
           settle
           more
           care
           in
           vs
           ,
           then
           in
           any
           other
           ,
           for
           the
           well
           keeping
           of
           sea-markes
           ,
           let
           vs
           suffer
           ,
           and
           be
           hanged
           at
           the
           gates
           of
           the
           Kings
           Court
           ,
           for
           example
           to
           others
           .
        
         
           
           In
           point
           of
           authoritie
           ,
           making
           for
           vs
           :
           it
           is
           now
           100
           yeares
           ,
           since
           we
           were
           made
           a
           Corporation
           :
           it
           is
           55
           yeares
           ,
           since
           the
           Parliament
           made
           a
           law
           ,
           to
           enable
           vs
           ,
           for
           the
           setting
           vp
           ,
           and
           laying
           out
           of
           all
           sea-markes
           :
           which
           accordingly
           we
           haue
           done
           :
           and
           neuer
           questioned
           vntill
           now
           ,
           and
           that
           by
           the
           Patentee
           .
           The
           examination
           whereof
           ,
           by
           vertue
           of
           two
           seuerall
           references
           from
           the
           King
           ,
           came
           to
           full
           hearing
           ,
           before
           the
           right
           honorable
           Lords
           ,
           at
           the
           Councell
           boord
           ;
           who
           ,
           by
           two
           seuerall
           orders
           (
           as
           by
           the
           said
           orders
           at
           large
           may
           appeare
           )
           conferred
           ,
           and
           confirmed
           the
           whole
           ,
           and
           sole
           keeping
           of
           all
           sea-markes
           ,
           vpon
           our
           Corporation
           .
           After
           this
           ,
           the
           Patentee
           got
           a
           third
           reference
           to
           Sir
           
             Henrie
             Yelverton
             ,
          
           then
           Attorney
           generall
           :
           he
           takes
           into
           his
           consideration
           ,
           the
           legall
           point
           onely
           ,
           (
           not
           medling
           with
           the
           point
           of
           conuenience
           )
           and
           finding
           the
           want
           of
           a
           negatiue
           in
           the
           statute
           ,
           certified
           that
           the
           Patentee
           ,
           by
           allowance
           from
           the
           King
           ,
           might
           do
           it
           ,
           as
           well
           as
           we
           .
           VVhereupon
           he
           obtained
           his
           Maiesties
           grant
           ,
           and
           enioyes
           the
           benefit
           :
           to
           the
           great
           griefe
           and
           discouragement
           of
           all
           Merchants
           ,
           owners
           ,
           and
           Masters
           of
           ships
           trading
           those
           Northerne
           coasts
           .
        
         
           The
           consideration
           hereof
           ,
           in
           all
           humilitie
           ,
           we
           submit
           ,
           to
           the
           mature
           wisedome
           and
           censure
           of
           this
           most
           honorable
           Court.
           
        
      
    
     
       
         Notes, typically marginal, from the original text
         
           Notes for div A13972-e10
           
             Answer
             to
             the
             obiection
             of
             neglect
             .
          
           
             That
             we
             erected
             a
             light-house
             ,
             as
             soon
             as
             was
             cause
             ;
             and
             that
             
               10
            
             or
             
               11
            
             months
             before
             the
             Patentee
             .
          
           
             The
             charge
             of
             the
             Patentees
             structures
             .
          
           
             His
             yearely
             charge
             .
          
           
             His
             yearely
             receipts
             .
          
           
             
               40
            
             pence
             for
             
               6
            
             pence
             .
          
           
             The
             Patentees
             vnfitnes
             .
          
           
             Qualitie
             ,
             fit
             to
             keepe
             sea-markes
             .
          
           
             Care
             in
             keeping
             sea-marks
             
          
           
             Authoritie
             for
             keeping
             sea-markes
             .