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A71091) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 51457) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 233:E27, no 12 or 2659:3) Scripture vindicated from the mis-apprehensions, mis-interpretations, and mis-applications of Mr Stephen Marshall, [in] his sermon preached before the Commons House of Parliament, Feb. 23. 1641. and published by order of that House. : Also a militarie sermon, wherein [b]y the VVord of God, the nature and disposition of a rebell is discovered, and the kings true souldier described and characterized. / [B]y Edward Symmons ... Symmons, Edward. [8], 91 p. Printed by Leonard Lichfield ..., Oxford, : 1645. Headpiece, initials. This item appears at reel 233:E.27, no. 12 incorrectly identified as Wing S6348, and at reel 2659:3 as Wing (CD-ROM, 1996) S6349. 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A71091 R222629 (Wing S6349). civilwar no Scripture vindicated from the mis-apprehensions, mis-interpretations, and mis-applications of Mr. Stephen Marshall, in his sermon preached b Symmons, Edward 1645 47297 179 10 0 0 0 0 40 D The rate of 40 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the D category of texts with between 35 and 100 defects per 10,000 words. 2004-02 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-03 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2004-04 Judith Siefring Sampled and proofread 2004-04 Judith Siefring Text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion SCRIPTURE VINDICATED From the Mis-apprehensions , Mis-interpretations , and Mis-applications of Mr STEPHEN MARSHALL , In his Sermon Preached before the Commons House of PARLIAMENT , Feb. 23. 1641. and published by Order of that House . ALSO A Militarie Sermon , WHEREIN By the VVord of God , the nature and disposition of a Rebell is discovered , and the Kings true Souldier described and characterized . By EDWARD SYMMONS , Chaplaine to the Life-guard of the Prince of Wales . OXFORD , Printed by LEONARD LICHFIELD , Printer to the University . 1645. TO THE HONOVRABLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMONS House assembled at OXFORD . Honourable Senatours , I Doe here most humbly present uncovered to your judicious view , a Sermon once Preached , and afterward dedicated to your selves at Westminster : as it was at first an unhappy mean , to provoke divers ( then of your society ) to set their feet in paths of blood : so if now it shall help to a fuller sight , of the greatnesse of that mercy , which preserved your selves from so great a danger , I have also my option . There be Misteries of Iniquity as well as of Godlinesse , a Ministers duty is to discover both ; our Saviour revealed Satan when he spake by Peters tongue , and thereby taught us to detect him , when he comes in the shape of an Angell of light ; ( as his custome is to do , when he is endeavouring most mischiefe against Church or State ) the most eminent , popular , and well-guifted men , have alwayes beene his instruments to pervert the Truth , and to breake the Peace ; he doth but actum agere in these times ; omne malum ab Ecclesia , was true of old , and is so still : They were Church-men to whom that Rebell Rodolphus spake , ( when lying on his death-bed he shewed his right hand cut off in fight against his Soveraigne : This ( saies he ) is that right hand , wherewith I vowed my faith unto the Emperour , now is the same become a witnesse of my breach of fidelity , and traiterous attempts against my Soveraigne by your instigation . They were also Church-men that stirred up to the Barrons warres , in the daies of our Henry 3. and injoyned the Earle of Leicester in remissione peccatorum , ut causam illam ( meaning his Rebellion ) usquè ad mortem assumeret , asserting , pacem Ecclesiae Anglicanae nun quàm sine gladio materiali posse firmari . Our age ( alasse ) hath beene too fruitfull in such Churchmen ; and they in such Assertions ; but the Apostle prophecying of such sayes , that their folly shall be manifested unto all ; and to this purpose ( right Noble and Worthy ) are my poore endeavours in this following discourse , I humbly beg , that your favourable acceptance ; may make the same in some sort valuable : it tends to Peace , and you are Councellours of Peace , to a King of Peace , no way delighting in bloud , rather wishing with Theodosius , se potuisse mortuos à morte revocare . Indeed He is our Theodosius , Gods guift to us ; and you are his Theodosii , God's guifts to him : and as such , we ( his inferiour Loyall Subjects ) do most sincerely honour you . And be confident ( Grave Senatours ) what ever hath beene suggested heretofore ( by any of those Boutefeu's , ) that assisting him the Annointed of the Lord , and true possessor of the mild and gracious spirit of the Lord , you do most really and truly help the Lord himselfe : and if your care shall adde some further edge to His most pious Orders , and Proclamations against Swearing , and Prophaning Gods Name and Word ; and for the more strict observing the Lords day , and dayes of Fasting ( appointed by His Majesty , yet much neglected in His Quarters ; ) you shall fit a people for the Lord , to shew mercy upon , and to restore that peace unto , which you labour for : yea , and thereby not onely your Consultations , but your Persons , shall continually be attended with Gods blessing ; and your Names had with Posterity in an everlasting joyfull remembrance ; for this Honour have all his Saints . And that the same may be an unseperable portion to every of you , is , and shall be the constant , and earnest prayer of Your humble Se●●●●● EDWARD SYM●●●● Novemb. 30. 1644. The Preface to the Readers . CHRISTIAN READERS , I Here offer to your conscientious view , the Vindication of three or foure Texts of Scripture , from the abuse that is offered unto them , by that once faithfull Expounder , and fruitfull Preacher of Gods Word , Master Stephen Marshall , Minister of Finching●ield in Essex : A man indeed whom ( in my apprehension ) , before his unhappy ingagement in this unnaturall and blacke Rebellion , envy it selfe ( though sometime busie in her attempts against him , ) was not able to staine or blemish , either for matters of life or doctrine . The occasion of this mine undertaking against him herein was this . About Easter last , 1644. I did visit in the Prison at Shrewsbury some Prisoners , that had been taken at the Castle of Brampton Bryan , belonging to Sir Robert Harly in Hereford-shire : and questioning them about their taking up of Armes against their Soveraigne , they answered me , that they took up Armes against Antichrist , and Popery ; for ( said they ) 't is prophesied in the Revelation , that the Whore of Babylon shall be destroyed with fire and sword , and what doe you know , but this is the time of her ruine , and that we are the men that must help to pull her downe . I answered that the Revelation tells us , that 't is the worke of Kings ( signified by those ten Hornes , Rev. 17.12.16 ) to pull downe the whore of Babylon , to hate her , to make her naked , and to burne her with fire . But as for them , they ( in my apprehension ) laboured to keep up the whore of Babilon , that shee might not fall , by their endeavouring to pull downe Kings , who were appoynted of God to pull downe her : they replyed , that 't is said in the Revelation , that the People , the Multitude and Nations should also pull her downe : but I reading the verse out of one of their Bibles , shewed them their mistake , that the People , Multitude and Nations , ( which are called Waters , Rev. 17.15 . ) were those whom the Whore did sit upon , and as it were did brood under her , that is , shee did rule over them , had them under their obedience , insomuch that they might rather be said to submit unto her , then to pull her downe . But what ( said they ) do you think , that Kings alone , without the help of the people shall pull her downe ? I answered no , nor yet the People without their Ki●gs , who are appoynted of God ; to lead them thereunto , and in whose power alone it is , to Authorize people to be active and assistant in such a businesse . And then I inform'd them further , of their mistake in another particular , namely in thinking Popery ( which they fancied they fought against , ) to be that whore of Babylon , which in the Revelation is threatened to be destroyed with fire and sword ; for that Antichrist and whore of Babilon , which was to be destroyed with such weapons , dwelt at Rome , and not here in England : and it was the very Roman feat or City which was to be so abolished ; and not the Romish faith , or Popish Religion ; the sword of Christs mouth , ( which is the word of God ) is the only weapons ordained to destroy that ; nor should that be quite abolished from the earth ( as Learned Divines did hold ) till the comming of Christ himselfe : they told me that all the true godly Divines in England ( amongst whom they named in speciall M. Marshall were of their opinion , that Antichrist was here in England as well as at Rome , and that the Bishops were Antichrist , and all that did endeavour to support them , were popishly affected , Babilonish and Antichristian too , yea many professed Papists were in our Armies , who ( they said ) did fight against Christ and Protestant Religion , and therefore they thought , they were bound in Conscience to fight against them , and us that took part with them , and in so doing , they did but help God against his Enemies . I urged them to shew what call or warrant they had so to doe , being not Authorised by the King , they seemed to inferre a threefold call or Warrant . 1. The Command of the Parliament . 2. The Example of all Godly and powerfull Ministers , leading , encourageing , and stirring them up thereunto . And 3. The Motion of Gods spirit in all Gods people , provoking them all with one minde , to undertake the same businesse : and to confirme all this , they alleadged that place , Iudg. 5. Curse ye Meroz , Curse ye her inhabitants with a bitter Curse , because they came not to help the Lord against the mighty . And that place , Ier. 48. Cursed be he that witholds his hand from bloud . And that in Psa. 137. Blessed is he that dasheth the Children of Babilon against the stones . And do not you think ( say they ) if the Papists prevaile but they will destroy all us ? do you think they fight for the Protestant Religion ? I answered no , I did not beleeve they did , nor did they pretend any such thing , but onely to ayde their naturall Liege Lord the King against those that wronged him , as in duty ( being his Subjects ) they were bound to doe : I did not deny but they might secretly ayme at their owne ends too , as the King of Ashur did , when he was doing the worke of God , Esay . 10. But God who ruled the world , and alwayes defended his true Church , would not suffer them to pursue their owne ends , any further then should make for his owne praise and his peoples good . Then I endeavoured to shew them , that those Scriptures which they alleadged were misapplyed by them , and did rather make against them ; but they took me off , from that discourse , with Mr Marshalls application of them : M. Marshall ( said they ) doth apply them as we doe , in a Sermon ( Preach'd before the Parliament ) which we had at Brampton : I told them that ( surely ) they were mistaken in M. Marshall ▪ for though some Weavers and Taylers , and Tinkers and Pedlers , and such like , who were suffered to preach , did abuse and pervert Gods word to their own purposes , yet M. Marshall ( who was one whom my selfe knew better then they did , I was perswaded had more wisedome , learning , and honesty then so to doe : and much other discourse to this purpose we had togeather , insomuch that at last they desired me , that I would come againe unto them , and pray with them : but my occasions carryed me out of the Towne on the morrow , that I could see them no more . Now behold , about the end of Iuly , or beginning of August after , I fortuned to be in a Booksellers shop in Ludlow , where I chanced to see a Sermon of M. Marshalls upon that Text , Iud. 5.23 . Curse ye Meroz , &c. which I had either not seen before , or not sufficiently observed ; wherefore reading the same , that discourse which I had with the forementioned Prisoners , came into my mind ; and I did conclude , that this was the very Sermon , which they had alleadged unto me , in their owne defence : wherefore having by experience seen in part , what dammage thereby was already done , to simple people ; and beleeving that others of the like ranke and quality , in other places , might be by the same as much misled ; I did apprehend my selfe ( in the accidentall meeting with this Sermon , after such my forementioned discourse ) to be called by a speciall Providence to set pen to paper , to vindicate the Scriptures of God ; and did thinke it my duty , and that I was bound in Conscience , ( being a Minister of God ) to warne all men of the danger , and to discover the snare , which is layd to catch and draw them into wayes of Bloud and murder . It is true M. Marshall is my deare friend , yet Gods truth is more deare unto me , yea the least title of that ( I hope ) I shall ever esteem more precious , then all the friends in the world , opposed unto it . And I know M. Marshall is an able man , and my selfe weake in compare with him , yet in the cause of God , I am not affraid to take up the Buckler against him . I have been bold once already , even to provoke him into the publique lists , for to justifie his new and most ungospellike way ; but his Conscience or his Courage would not serve him to answer my letter ; and therefore I hope that grace is not quite extinguished in him : perhaps ( through Gods blessing ) if this ensuing discourse come to his hand , he may see more of his errour , and of the hurt he hath done thereby to others ; and so maybe awakened to glorifie God , and his truth by a self denying recantation : my humble prayers , are and shall be to God for him , that he may so doe ; And I desire of you all ( Christian Readers ) that you would joyn with me in the same prayer for him : and also that God would molli●ie , and sanctifie the spirits of all those of M. Marshals faction , who have brought these lamentable miseries upon this now most wofull Nation , that they might at length smite their owne breasts , and cry , O what have we done . And thou , O great and mighty Majesty of Heaven and Earth , who alone canst open the eares of the deafe , and the eyes of the blinde ; cause thou these men to hear that cry of bloud in their owne soules , which themselves have shed ; and to see those calamities with watry eyes , which themselves have occasioned , charge thou upon their Consciences that high disgrace , which they have put upon the meek and loving Gospell of thy deare Sonne . And thou , O Sonne of God , whose Gospell it is , defend the honour of the same , and make us all to behave our selves , worthy the still enjoyment of it , even for thine owne merit and mercy sake . Amen , Amen . SCRIPTURE VINDICATED from the Misapprehensions , Misinterpretations , & mis-applications of Mr Stephen Marshall in his Sermon Preached before the Commons House of PARLIAMENT : Feb. 23. 1641. upon that Text in Iudges 5.23 . Curse ye Meroz ( said the Angell of the Lord ) curse ye bitterly the Inhabitants thereof , because they came not to the help of the Lord , to the help of the Lord against the mighty . THis Text , as with Mr Marshall , so with the rest of the Ministers of his party , is of great use and estimation : I beleeve scarce any of them , but have Preached upon it , at least have often quoted it , or rather misconstrued it , to their own purposes : but how improper a Theame it is , for their cause , for these times , and specially for a Fast day , when Mr Marshall discoursed upon it , shall in part be discovered in these following lines . The God of all grace and truth , guide my heart and pen by his holy spirit , that I may write with that meeknesse , as becomes a Minister of Christ to use , in dealing with a lapsed Brother ; and with that fervor also , as beseemeth him that is zealous for Gods Word and Honour ; that the seduced may be reclaimed from erroneous paths , and the upright strengthned in their Loyall way ; to the Gospells glory , and the salvation of Soules ; and tha● for my deare Lord and Masters sake Iesus Christ our Saviour . Amen . SECTION , I. Wherein are discovered Mr Marshalls Mis-apprehensions . WHen Mr Marshall by way of introduction hath discovered the scope of the Chapter , and in speciall of this verse , he comes to shew : first , how suteable ( to his apprehension ) the text is to his present occasion : then , he devides , and ( after his manner interprets the same ; and lastly , he raises or concludes upon his main doctrine : I shall follow him throughout in his own method and way : First for the sutablenesse : he saies , the Text or Theame is suteable , and exceeding seasonable : in respect 1 Of the times wherein we live . 2 Of the temper of most people . 3 Of the occasion of that daies meeting . 4ly and specially , in respect of that Honourable Assembly . I shall be bold to shew how M. Marshall is mistaken in all these particulars : 1. It is seasonable ( saies he ) to the times wherein we live , when abundance of mighty Enemies rise up against the Lord and against his Church . Now in this I suppose M. Marshall forgat himselfe , for these times wherein we live , are times of the Gospell , and therefore are , or should be times of blessing , whereas the Text , is a Text of the old time , a Text of cursing . And indeed although abundance of mighty enemies doe rise up against the Lord , and against his Church , yet Christ in the Gospell , did not leave his Church either precept or example , to curse her enemies ; no nor the enemies of the Lord himselfe : but he hath left both precept and example directly to the contrary . 1. Precept . Mat. 5.43 , 44 , 45. &c. He speakes not only to them there present , but to his whole Church ; and what he then spake was to endure for ever , and to be a rule to her throughout all ages , in cases of this nature : His command is , that she should blesse and not curse , yea that she should blesse them that curse her : the words are these , you have heard that it hath been said ( namely in old time ) thou shalt love thy neighbour and hate thine enemy ; but I say unto you ( saies Christ ) love your enemies , blesse them that curse you , doe good to them that hate you , pray for them that despightfully use you , and persecute you , that you may be , ( or may approve your selves to be ) the Children of your Father which is in Heaven , for he deales thus with those that be his enemies , he makes the Sun to shine , and his raine to fall , both upon the evill and upon the good , if you love them only that love you , or salute your brethren only ( those of your own opinion , of your own side or faction ) what doe you more then the Publicans or Heathens doe , who have no acquaintance with God , with Christ , or with his Gospell ) be you therefore perfect as your heavenly father is perfect : as if he had said , it becomes you , that professe your selves to be mine , to endeavour after more then an Heathenish perfection , it is an Heavenly perfection , which you must strive for ; and to obtaine this , you must leave the practices of old time , which were to hate and curse your Enemies , and you must practice the cleane contrary . And for the better understanding of this , let me here by the way , minde the World again , of what I have already informed her in my Treatise of The right nature and temper of the spirit of the Gospell : viz. that there is a great difference between the Ancient times , those before Christ , and those since his coming , not in respect of time , it selfe ; ( for that is alwaies the same ) but in respect of the coming of Christ ; who brought with him a new spirit , which both must and doth manifest it selfe in all his true servants . The former times , might haply be times for cursing and revenge ; times of death and terrour ; Gods name then by which he was known and called , was Deus ultionum the God of Revenge , for as such a one , he was pleased then oft-times to discover himselfe : Adam having sinned , was presently cast out of Paradise . Corah , and his companions having Rebelled , vengeance speedily laid hold upon them , Meroz having faulted was presently Cursed ; but by the coming of Christ , the times were changed to be times of mercy and favour , times of grace and pitty , of patience and forbearance , of life and Salvation ; and God from thence forth was called by a new name : scil. Pater misericordiarum , and Deus consolationum , the Father of mercies and God of consolation , and as such a one he declares himselfe , he dealt more forbearingly with Corazin and Bethsaida , then formerly he had done with Sodome and Gomorrah : and Paul then Saul , went breathing out threatnings against Gods Saints , yet mercy reached him ; Mary Magdalen and the Theefe were great sinners , yet vengeance did not overwhelme them ; yea many of those that crucified Christ , were not taken away as they deserved ; ( but being afterwards converted by Peters Sermon , Act. 2. ) tasted mercy : Had Meroz been standing in the daies of the Gospell ( in Christs time , ) and had failed in her duty , as she here did , she should not presently have been loaden with a Curse ; but rather reprooved and admonished of her Errour , and had time granted her to repent in : and therefore though this Text of M. Marshall , might haply have been seasonable , for the old times , to be preached to the Captaines and Leaders of the Lords Hosts ( as he calls those that he preached it unto ; ) yet it doth not follow that 't is a like seasonable now . For by the comming of Christ ( I say ) there was a change made in the times , and so ought there to be in men , in their thoughts , words and carriages ; yea and in their preaching too , in which there must Consideration be had to times and seasons . But I returne , and will second that Precept of our Saviour , with the Testimony of his two great Apostles St Peter and S. Paul , both Preachers in the time of the Gospell ; and both indued with the Spirit and minde of Christ : first S. Peter 1. Pet. 3.9 . render not evill for evill , or railing for railing , but contrariwise blessing , knowing that you are thereunto called , that you should inherit the blessing , whence we learne , that men by the Gospell are called to Christianity , for this very purpose , that they may shew themselves to differ from all the world beside , in blessing their Enemies , when they deserve it not ; and by so doing they doe fit themselves to be Heires of the blessing of God . And then Saint Paul also , doth urge this truth in such a way of enforcement , with such a phrase , as may challenge our speciall note thereof , Rom. 12.14 . Blesse them that persecute you , Blesse ( I say ) and Curse not , the charge is doubled , yea trebled , in a direct oppo●ition unto that seasonablenesse which M. Marshall fancies . And let not any object that these Evangelicall precepts , doe onely concerne our carriages towards our owne personall Enemies , and not towards those that are the Enemies of Christ , and his Church ; for I conceive that Persecutors of Christians , raylers , and those that offer wrong , or render evill to others , are no friends of Christ ; and besides as our Saviour told us ( in the place before quoted ) 't is the condition of God our Heavenly Father ( whom we must endeavour to be like , to doe good to the unthankefull , and to the Evill ; and such sure are his Enemies , whom he doth not looke , we should use worse then himselfe doth : we must not thinke to be more righteous , or zealous then he ; nor must we begin our vomit , or Execrations , before God begins his : for indeed the Church her selfe ( as M. Perkins inferreth ) hath onely power to pronounce him accursed , whom God first accurseth : and the Apostle , Gal. 1.8 , 9. tells us twise over , for our better observance , and remembrance , what kind of man that is , who is under the Anathema of the Lord : even he that preacheth another Gospell , or any other Doctrine for Gospell contrary to that , of Peace , and Love , and Patience and Obedience , which himselfe had Preached : If any man ( saies he ) Preach unto you ; any other Gospell , ( or any thing else for Gospell ) then what we have preached , let him be accursed : it concernes M. Marshall therefore to consider of himselfe and of his Doctrine : But this for Precept . 2. The example of our Saviour speakes as home , to our purpose against Mr Marshalls judgement ; as his Precepts have done : when himselfe was here upon the Earth , and had abundance of Enemies , and those mighty ones too , who did rise against him : the Text saies : Herod , Pontius Pilat , with the Gentiles , and People of Israell were all gathered together , ( and did rise like one man ) against the Lord Christ : yet we doe not read of one Curse that he bestowed upon them ; much lesse did he throw out any Curses against Peter , and the rest of the Apostles , that forswore him , and fled away from him , and did not helpe him ( their Lord and Master ) against the mighty : no , but he prayed both for the one , and for the other : yea for his most deadly Enemies , he powred forth a supplication , Father forgive them : and at another time , 't is said he grieved or mourned for the hardnesse of their hearts , 't is not said he cursed them because of their hard-heartednesse . Nay which ( of all ) is most worthy of Mr Marshalls observation , is that place , Luk. 9.55.56 . when the two Desciples Iames and Iohn began to be of Mr Marshalls mind , and would have been fetching some Curse from Heaven , upon those unkind Samaritans , who behaved themselves so like Enemies unto their Master : Christ himselfe would not suffer them , but turned ( saies the Text ) and rebuked them , saying , you know not of what Spirit you are of : for the Son of man came not to destroy mens lives , but to save them , as if he had said , to curse or to mischiefe men , is not a worke suitable to persons , of your Spirits , or of your Calling ; or to the●e times ; you are Ministers of the Gospell , my Disciples and these are times of the Gospell , times of blessing , and you must doe onely that which sutes with my Spirit , and with the end of my comming , and which becomes the Gospell : And whereas those two Desciples ▪ did thinke they had a warrant from Elias Example for that motion of theirs , as haply M. Marshall did thinke he had from that of Deborah and Barack , for his urging of this Text ; yet our Saviour informes them , that his comming into the World , had put all examples of that kind out of date ; what was lawfull in Elias time , is not equally so at this present : yea surely , we may conclude from those words of Christ to his two Disciples . 1. That all motions and Doctrines , which doe not sute with the end of Christs comming , are sinfull motions , and sinfull Doctrines ; and such are all those that doe not tend to Peace and mercy , to the blessing , and salvation of men . And 2ly . we may learne too : that all we who live under the Gospell , must mind and speake , Preach and doe , onely that which suites with the spirit of the Gospell : and therefore looke how farre M. Marshalls Text doth dissent from the end of Christs comming , and from the gentlenesse of the Spirit of the Gospell ; so farre is it from being seasonable in these times : so that the ground of M. Marshalls mistake in this particular was , he did not consider the Change of the Times ; but no marvaile of it , for we see two great Apostles were once in the same Error . 2ly . Mr Marshall saies , his Text is seasonable , in respect of the temper of most people , who generally mind their owne things , and not the things of Christ . But is it seasonable therefore to curse them ? Will that make them mind their owne things lesse and Christs more ? I apprehend otherwise , and that from a three fold Argument : one from Scripture , another from naturall reason , and a third from sensible experience . 1. Scripture teacheth the contrary . The Apostle in that very Chapter ( Phil. 2. ) whence that phrase is borrowed by Mr Marshall , gives no such warrant ; but rather if we marke him doth teach men , to mind their owne things lesse , and the things of Christ more , by laying downe before them the example of Christs great love to mankind ; his Humility and sufferings in their behalfe ; by shewing how he denyed himselfe and his owne glory , to procure their advancement ; and from hence he provokes men to be like him , in discovering the same mind , and affection to be in themselves towards him , and v. 14. & 15. he exhorts them , to doe all things without murmurings and disputings , surely then without Cursings , and he gives this reason , that you may be blamelesse and harmelesse , the Sons of God without rebuke , in the midst of a froward and perverse Generation ; for the gaining and winning of them , inferring that if they should doe otherwise , if they should curse those that were not of their owne side , and temper ; they being of a perverse and crooked disposition , would returne like for like , yea and speake evill of God whose Children they professed themselves to be , and so there would be nothing but disputings and quarrellings , fightings and shedding of one anothers bloud , even as there is now in this Land amongst us . So in another place 't is said that the Servant of God , ( who would win others to mind the things of God ) must not strive , ( much lesse curse ) but be gentle unto all men , apt to teach patient , in meeknesse instructing them that be contrary minded , ( and that oppose themselves , ) trying if God will ( as peradventure that way he will ) give them repentance to acknowledge the truth , and so be recovered out of the Devills snare , ( wherein doublesse all they are intangled that mind their owne things , more then the things of Christ . ) In those purer times , this was the onely way which Gods Ministers tooke , to alter mens mindes and tempers : we beseech you ( saies the Apostle ) to be reconciled to God , nay God by us beseecheth you : God himselfe the person offended , seeketh and prayeth to be reconciled with his Enemies ; even as our gratious King hath done to be at peace with them , that have so highly abused him . The Prophet Hosea forespeaking of these times , tells us , that God would draw people to himselfe with the Chaines of Love , he would take them aside and speake friendly to them , pardon their iniquity , cover their sinnes , and so allure them in a gentle way , to mind him more , and themselves lesse . And shall any pretender for God or Christ , thinke harshnesse and cursing a better way , or meane to effect the same thing . 2. Naturall Reason perswades the contrary . He that knowes whereof man is made , and what is in man , and is the searcher of his Heart , yea and the changer of it too , Reason saies , can best of all direct in the way to alter the same . Besides if it be true ( which the Apostle saies ) that the preaching of the Law doth put us out of frame and temper , by meanes of sinne that dwelleth in us , which becomes thereby more outragious : then Reason suggests that much more will the preaching of Curses , doe the same thing . Againe that course which is not availeable , to draw one man to another , betweene whom there is a lesser distance ; can never be Effectuall to draw men to God , betweene whom the distance is farre greater . That which cannot provoke us to love our Neighbours as our selves , or to mind his things as our owne , can never prevaile , to stirre us up to love God better then our selves , and to mind the things of Christ above our owne : Reason teacheth all this . I confesse these harsh Themes or Texts , may be suteable enough ( as they may be handled , ) to drive people out of themselves , and to make them mind their owne affaires but little , but how they should drive any nearer unto God ( unlesse by accident , ) or cause them to set their affections on things above , my Reason cannot apprehend ; our blessed Saviour would not goe in Mr Marshalls way , when he dealt with Iudas the Traitor ; for when that Apostate desciple , ( for his worldly advantage sake ) went ( as a Chaplaine ) with the Souldiers to apprehend his Lord and Soveraigne : Christ did not at that time , fall to curse him , for minding his mony more , then his Master , his gaine , more then his Conscience ; but with a mild Compellation , doth insinuate unto him , how he covered a most foule Treason under a faire pretence : friend ( saies he ) betrayest thou the Son of Man with a kisse : which very manner of speech , without all question , did so worke upon the Spirit of the Traitor afterward , that he never joyed in his mony more ; but ere long , brings it back to the Close Committee , and there he leaves it ; confessing that he had betrayed Innocent Bloud : now surely by the consent even of Reason , this course which Christ tooke , is most seasonable to the temper of those people that mind their owne things most , if we would worke in them a sight of their Errour , and not that which M. Marshall seemes to fancy . Which also 3. Experience it selfe contradicteth : M. Marshall teacheth us in the 6th Page of his Sermon , that to Curse is , maledicere verbo malefacere re , to speake evill , to revile , to reproach , to wish mischiefe unto , to doe any evill against a man , to execute indeed ( to the utmost of power ) what one would wish in word : ( in briefe , 't is to deale with a man as M. Marshalls Faction have ●ince dealt with the King ▪ and with the Queene . ) But did ever any one read , or heare , or by experience see , any man that was yet a stranger to God , or to Religion , converted by these meanes ? How this Generation of New Reformers , are like to prevaile for Christ , in this their way , let all men judge according to observation . It is most true , they have not failed in any one of M. Marshalls particulars , in their endeavours with the Queene , they have spoken evill of her , reviled her , reproached her , slandered her , robbed her , spoyled her , shot at her , persecuted and hunted her out of the Kingdome , done her all the mischiefe both in word and deed , which was in their power to doe ; and sorry they were , that their power was not answerable to their will , to have proceeded farther in their evills against her : and all this was to bring her into love with the Protestant Religion , which they ( most scandalously and falsely ) say , themselves are of : though indeed of all Religions in the world the true Protestant Religion , doth most of all , oppose and contradict such wayes and courses : and they are the greatest Enemies that ever the Protestant Religion had ; thus to slander and disgrace the same : yea they have occasioned hereby , many unhallowed men and women , to blaspheme our holy Profession , and to commend of that of the Adversaries of Rome : the Pope had never such an Harvest in England this foureskore yeares put altogether , as he hath had in these foure yeares last past , or since these men have managed the Militia . This experience doth teach us ; and on the other side the same Mistrisse doth assure us , that the onely way to worke an Evangelicall temper , in those that differ from us ; is to make unto them a presentation of Christs Example , in our teaching , to discover his Conditions in our behaviours , to manifest his meeknesse , and affability in our speeches ; which course indeed doth mightily calme the rage of sinne , and extinguish the heat of it : yea it tames the heart of a sinner , captivates his spirit , and after a manner inforceth him to mind his owne things lesse , and the things of Christ more . O had our New Reformers but gone this way to worke , I dare boldly say they might have done God much service , but their pleading for the Militia , was a plaine disclaiming of this way of Christ . And thus we see from Scripture , Reason , and Experience , that M. Marshall is as much mistaken in the seasonablenesse of his Text in the second respect , as in the former : and I suppose the ground of his mistake is this , he did not sufficiently consider of peoples tempers and dispositions . 3ly . Mr Marshall saies : His Text is seasonable to the occasion of this dayes meeting , which is purposely for the helpe of the Lord , and his cause and people now distressed in Ireland : So that he conceives it seasonable ( as I apprehend him ) in respect of the day , or the duty thereon to be performed : yet the pretended occasion of that dayes meeting , ( as I take it ) was to pray and not to curse . I did never read , that bitter cursing was ever injoyned as any part , of the duty of a fast day ; and therefore no marvaile if the fruits of such fasting dayes , have proved so bitter to the whole Nation . I have heard both M. Marshall , and other Ministers of that Faction at some fifty or sixty miles distance , inveigh most bitterly against the Cavaleers for their Cursing and Swearing : the report whereof ( doubtlesse ) they did receive from some good hand ; for to my griefe and sorrow I find , that notwithstanding his Majesties Military Articles , and frequent Proclamations to the contrary , many that have Relation to his Armies , are most extreamly given over to that hellish sinne ; for in that particular they rather chuse to follow M. Marshalls doctrine , then that of their owne Ministers , who dislike the same : they thinke they may practice Cursing , as lawfully as he preach it : though I beleeve , they mistake him therein ; for he would have onely those of his owne side , to whom he preacheth , to practice the same ; and not the Cavaleers , to whom it doth not belong ; ( nor indeed in respect of their cause so well become ) : But such is mans nature , Nittimur in vetitum : in wayes of sinne , one will strive to out goe another : And let M. Marshall say what he can , the Cavaleers will account those in Rebellion against the King , as worthy of Curses , as they on the other side can account them . But this I must say of the Cavaleers , I could never observe any of them so transcendently bold , as to fancy , they did helpe God , or his cause by their Cursing ; nor yet to professe publiquely , that the Fast day was a day seasonable for the practice thereof ; nor dare we who are Ministers among them , teach any such doctrine , for we have not so learned Christ : no but let M. Marshall and all his side know ; that we thinke , we are bound in Conscience upon the Fast dayes , to discover the horrid nature of the sinne of Swearing , and of Cursing others , even to the faces of those we conceive guilty of it ; endeavouring thereby to humble their soules for it : And we pray our selves and teach others , that 't is the duty of Christians to pray for all , and to curse none : no not those that are for the present Enemies to God , or to themselves ; who thirst for the ruine of Christs Gospell , and of the defender and Professours of it ; we hope and pray , for their Conversions , for we know not , but God may call them at the eleventh houre : onely we pray that their mischievous imaginations against the Lord , and against his Annoynted , and servants , may never prosper ; that their Hypocrisie may be discovered ; that so the simple well meaning People may no longer be deluded by them , we pray , Fill their faces with shame of their owne doings , that they may seeke thy Name O Lord . We conceive that cursing of others , on the Fast day , would rather appeare to be an act of Pride in us , and of selfe justification : then of selfe condemnation , which is the proper act of a Fast day : we hope that those Prayers which we put up for our bloud-thirsty Enemies , as they are most selfe denying , so are they most suteable to the worke of Humiliation ; and if they prove not effectuall in their behalfe , for whom they are made , yet in the end they will ( through Gods gratious acceptance by Christs meanes ) prove most beneficiall and comfortable to our selves : And we thinke we helpe the Lord and his cause best ; when we walke onely in that way , which himselfe doth lead us in , and wherein his cause alwayes at the last , hath best thrived and prospered : and that hath been not the high way of Cursing and selfe advancing , but the low way of praying and selfe denying ; yea we apprehend that 't is the strength of God alone , that must pull downe his Enemies , and maintaine his owne cause , which he will undoubtedly doe , by some meanes , or other , when his wronged and afflicted people are fit for mercy and deliverance , and are brought to kisse the rod which beats them ; and this we tell them they shall doe , when they leave cursing their Enemies , and with appeasednesse of Spirit can pray for them : this is the doctrine which we Preach unto them , to be practised on the Fast day , and on every day , and I beseech God give to every one of the Kings Subjects , and People , grace to follow it . We read , Ezek. 22.30 . That in a time of generall Calamity , God sayes , that he sought for a man , to make up the Hedge , and stand in the gap before him , that he might not destroy the Land , but he found none . Had God looked for Cursers , or if they could have done the deed ; doubtlesse he might in those dayes , as well as now , have found many ; ( for 't is an easier thing to nature , and more common to curse Enemies , then to pray for them , ) but he looked for a man that should act Moses part , who stood in the breach , and prayed for them , and so was a meanes to preserve them . The Story it selfe is worth our observance ; God offered to make Moses a great man , yea a mighty Nation : if he would but give him leave , to destroy those rebellious Israelites ( who sure were Gods Enemies , for He doth not use to destroy his friends : ) But Moses would not yeeld , though he might have come to great preferment by it . Had he been of M. Marshalls mind , he would have thought it his duty , not onely to have left praying for them , ( whereby he held Gods hands ) ▪ but also to have fell a revileing , reproaching , and doing them all the mischiefe that possibly he could , and so have helped the Lord , more quickly to have destroyed them : But surely that selfe denying course of Moses , was more acceptable and pleasing to God , then this other of Mr Marshall would have been . And I beleeve ( for my part ) that God on the Fast dayes , ( when we meet togeather , to helpe him and his cause , ) doth expect from us even such like prayers as Moses offered ; and doth look that we his Ministers should call upon people , in that way and manner to afford their assistance : and I verily believe ; had M. Marshall and all the Ministers on his side so done , the distressed people in Ireland ( which he seems so specially to commiserate , ) had been better helped , then they have been : for let us but consider , a little by the way , ( more fully to evidence M. Marshalls mistake , ) what great benefit this Cursing doctrine hath reached out to the afflicted Protestants in that Kingdome . Soon after the Preaching of this Sermon ( which was Feb. 23. 1641. ) The predominant part of his Auditory , ( their hearts being thereby fitted and prepared to Cruelty , ) fell to put the same in practice : for hereupon the lands of that Nation were exposed to sale , by an Ordinance of the House , and ●ome of the Members ( who it seems had drank downe a larger draught of his doctrine then the rest ) would have had it also decreed , that the Irish should be rooted out from being a Nation , they should all be put to the sword , that so their very name might be had no more in remembrance , for this indeed according to M. Marshall's phrase and instruction ( pag. 5. ) was fully to curse them , vehemently to curse them , and never to leave cursing them , even to annihilate them by cursing them , whereupon the Popish Irish fearing to be quite outgone in cruelty by these new Reformers , grew desperate indeed , and most outragiously mischievous against the English Nation ; and against all that professed the Protestant Religion . And verily I doe beleeve , that God was so highly displeased with those bloody purposes , those over-harsh decrees , those cursing doctrines , so contrary to the Gospell , from men professing the same ; that he did for these things sake , suffer those wild and savage Irish , to be more prevalent in that Kingdom : and should I be in the case of those , that either Preached such doctrines ; or had vented such cruell purposes ; or had layed out , any mony for Irish lands ; or had been a means any way to provoke that people to be so outragiously desperate ▪ and destructive as they have been ; I beleeve my Conscience would tell me , that God would lay to my charge , the guilt of that Protestant English blood there shed , and the King might justly lay unto me , the losse of those his Subjects ; and I should alwaies think , that blood would pursue me , because I had not hated blood . And hereby the way also , let me suggest two things : a Caveat and an observation . 1. A Caveat to all my countrymen of England of what side or faction soever , who begin now to be as bold with the lands and Estates , of some in their own Nation ; as three years agoe they were with those of the Irish , both in buying and selling ; the Buyers I would have but remember , Ireland , and thinke that by their good Bargains there , God did foreadmonish them , to beware how they venture here . And the sellers I would have them remember Felton ( that killed the Duke of Buckingham , ) and withall , that their own Orders and doings , have taught men to make no scruple of shedding blood : 'T is no wisdome to put great spirits upon desperate courses , the Beare will more willingly Hazard his life , then part with his skinne to make good the word of the Hunter . 2. An observation : from the progresse of men in wayes of blood , quam tument gustato sanguine fauces , how dangerous the tast of blood is , it makes even a sheep grow wolfeish : si torrida parvus venit in ora cruor , itur in omne nefas , they that were lately accounted the persecuted flock of Christ , having lapt a little of the blood of an Enemy , how extreamly on the suddaine doe they thirst for the blood of their friends ? they who at first devoured in their expectations , the lands of Strangers , and panted after the destruction of the Popish Irish ; how greedy are they now become , of the estates of their own Country-men , and thirsty after the ruine of the Protestant English . — inter mensasque torosque Quae modo complexu foverunt pectora caedunt . Whom lately they at bed and board , Did brotherly embrace , They now do slay , with murdering sword , And Brotherhood deface . And yet I know 't is the opinion of some ; that this Effusion of English Bloud was primum intentione , the first thing in the intentions of these unnaturall men ; and the Irish Combustions were onely raised as a mist , to cloud their purpose at home , that honest Eyes might not discerne it ; for ( notwithstanding M. Marshalls phrase , to help the distressed people in Ireland ) 't is too well known , that the present prevailing Faction amongst those whom in the next words he calls , the Captaines and Leaders of the Lords Host : were not onely neglective themselves , in affording ayde , but also obstructive to his sacred Majesty , who ( in pitty to those poore distressed ) would have ventured his Royall Person , to have carried comfort to them : so irkesome was it to his Pious Soule , to heare , that any of his Subjects , should want that protection , which throughout the time of his sole Government , they so happily had enjoyed . Sod latebat Anguis in Herba , there was a pad in the Straw , which every one did not then see ; the maine designe or worke to be done , was , to destroy the Government of Gods Church , and to overthrow Monarchy in this Kingdome ; and to effect this , the Shipping and Militia of the Kingdome , must be griped into their hands ; to which purpose , there was to be aliquid apparens , above board , to gaine some beliefe to Iealousies and Feares : and therefore knowing the discontentments , and disposition of the Irish Nation , they cut of their Governours Head ; and did providently forbeare to send any other to succeed him ; that so they might render to them , an advantage to rebell , and to themselves a faire pretence to be possessed of the Men , Monyes , and Ammunition of this Kingdome . Which when they had got , Ireland is neglected , the poore distressed people there are massacred , the Subsidies given for their ayde , and the Contribution gathered for their reliefe , is imployed another way ; many of our gallant men who at first went thither to their helpe , for want of timely supplies are slaine , ( for had they lived a while longer , 't was feared they might have done their King too much good service at their owne home , ) and the rest of the Armies there abiding , were well nigh famished for want of maintenance ; which they could not obtaine at last , but upon condition , they would first subscribe , to a kind of new dependance upon these new State men ; and two of the Members of the House of Commons , are sent over to require it of them . And here for the Confirmation of this Opinion , let me declare by the way two things , which I shall desire the judicious Reader seriously to thinke upon ; and let him conclude from the same , what his owne Reason and Conscience shall suggest . 1. What I have understood of His Majesties Princely care and wisdome to prevent those Irish miseries ; had that Kingdom been so happy as to have tasted the fruits thereof . When they had cut off Strafford's Head , the King providently foreseeing , that those forces raised there , by the said Earle , ( for his assistance in the Northern expedition , ) if they continued together , ( being Irish and Papists ) might be mischievous in that Kingdome , after their Governours death , ( who had he lived , was both able and ready enough to have kept them under from Rebelling : ) therefore his Majesty ordered , they should be sent out from thence , and had granted their service to the Ambassadors of Portugall and Spaine , soliciting the same at that time , in the behalfe of their severall Princes : in which particular , had not His Majesty been crossed ; it had been impossible in human reason , there should have been any such suddain Combustions raised in Ireland : whereas on the other side , they remaining there in a body ; it was most likely ( in all probability ) they would act those evills , which now wofull experience can best declare . But the prevailing party at Westminster , ( who must be called the Saviours and Conservators of Kingdomes ) would by no meanes , suffer the King to enjoy the freedome of his personall will ; ( for indeed , so they might have missed of their maine designe in England : ) and therefore pretending Iealousies and Feares , kept them still at home to make ( as appeares by the effect , ) a distressed Church and People in Ireland , and to doe greater mischiefe then at that time could be feared . 2. What my selfe received from the lips of a dying man ; who was a Commander , and present in Dublin , when those two Emissaries ( forementioned , ) came thither to seduce the Armies from their Loyalty : who when they had by their cunning pretences , got the subscription of so many , as ( in their owne conceits ) the worke was even done ; they began somewhat perkely , to discover themselves , and their cankred intentions in their prate one night at supper : one of them saying , that now all Nations , began to be weary of Monarchy : and did groane under the yoake thereof . Which expression that very Gentleman ( from whose mouth I had it ) extreamly disgusting , ( being ingenious and loyall , ) in the heat of his valour , starts up , and saies ; none but Villaines and Traitors were weary of it , or would offer to affirme any such thing : ( which was most truly spoken , if applyed to them that were bred under a Monarch , and had sworne Allegiance to him : ) and thereupon this gallant Spirit , with another true English-man like himselfe ; perceiving that their drift in requiring subscription , was onely to get the Army ingaged with their Faction , to destroy Monarchy , and their naturall Liege Lord ; commanded those Members , to reproduce presently the book of Subscriptions ; ( each of them threatning otherwise to cut one of their throats : ) which when they had againe layed hands upon , they rent it all in peeces ; and so those two Factors of mischiefe , having an end put to their worke in that Kingdome , came running home in a feare , to their owne Center at Westminster againe . But these by the way . I returne to M. Marshall . Now I have given an hint how seasonable indeed his Text was to the purposes of some of his Auditors , and how usefull his doctrine hath since been in their practice of it , not to helpe , but to mischiefe the Lord , and his cause , and his distressed people in Ireland : but that it should be seasonable in that respect ( which he affirmes ) viz. to the occasion of that dayes meeting , which was to fast and pray , ( as was pretended ) I cannot yet perceive ; surely therefore M. Marshall was mistaken in that apprehension also , and the ground of his mistake might be , he did not sufficiently remember , what was the duty of the day ; I come now to the fourth respect . 4ly . But to me ( saies Mr Marshall ) it seemes most of all seasonable , for this present Honourable Assembly , who all should be as the Lord , their Horses as his Horses , their Chariots as his Chariots , they being all called to be Captaines and Leaders of the Lords Host : thus it seemeth to M. Marshall ; but all men are not consenting with him in this particular neither : for to me it seemeth otherwise . I apprehend , that therefore this Cursing Tex● , was not so seasonable to that Assembly , because they should all be as the Lord , who is gratious and mercifull of tender pitty , and great kindnesse , doing good , even to the unthankefull and to the evill : in all which conditions onely , men are bidden to be like him , and not in any act of severity , or of Cursing : for though God hath power to curse , yet that men have any warrant to follow him in so doing , I apprehend not , save onely in that cas● I mentioned before from Gal. 1.8 9. Sure those whom we imagine to be like the Lord , we should provoke to no more , then what we would provoke the Lord himselfe unto ; and dares any man provoke the Lord to curse ? none that truly knowes him . I professe I cannot conceive for what cause , M. Marshall should fancy his Text to be so seasonable to his Auditory : were they not called togeather to be a blessing to this Nation ? did he know they would prove a Curse , and doth he dyet them accordingly ? Himselfe saies , pag. 7. that Curses are Edge tooles and dangerous to be medled withall , why then will he put them into their hands , whom he saies are as the Lord ? hath the Lord been wont to appeare unto us with his hands full of Curses ? sure never till now , that he hath made these the men of his hand , doubtlesse ( therefore ) M. Marshall is somewhat mistaken in this particular also , and the ground of his errour may be , he did not aright consider what is the nature and disposition of the Lord . But M. Marshalls description , which he makes of his present Honourable Assembly , is a matter that requires our speciall notice : they should all be as the Lord , their Horses as his Horses , their Chariots as his Chariots , they being all called to be Captaines and Leaders of the Lords Host. The things that he would inferre from these words are these . 1. That all men should looke upon the House of Commons ( his present Auditory ) , or rather upon the most active and prevailing part thereof : as upon the strong , wise , and infallible God himselfe ; and apprehend their requests as Commands , for ever to be obeyed , without dispute , even so long as they shall continue to propound them . 2. That all men should apprehend and beleeve , that side or Cause , which the Commons House have , or shall ingage themselve● in ; to be without further proofe the Lords side , and the Lords cause , yea though it be against Gods Annoynted ; his worship , his Ministers , his word , and all the practice of all the godly , in all Ages to this present . 3. That all who help● and assist them , doe helpe and assist the Lord , and what ever is done , in the furtherance of their Cause , though never so much against Piety and Justice , is done for the Lord , yea by the Lord ; and all that doe not helpe them , and their Cause , are to be locked up under the Curse , as Enemies of the Lord ; and to be handled as such , themselves , and for their sakes , all that belongs unto them , men , women and children ; who are to be branded with the name of Malignants , that is to say Divells , and no more pitty or respect to be shewn unto them then is to be afforded to the Divell himselfe . That this is M. Marshalls true meaning ; I shall first evidence in part from his owne words ; and then I le appeale to the people , whose judgement in these dayes ( specially in a thing of this nature ) is the best evidence . 1. That all men should take them as the Lord , their word as his , their requests as Commands , and alwayes to be obeyed : His owne expression to the House of Commons , in the beginning of his Epistle Dedicatory , before his Sermon doth prove it . It is fit ( saies he ) my obedience should last as long as your Commands , ( which therefore are supposed to be never errant ) for so I have alwayes interpreted your requests and desires to be : we can say no otherwise to God himselfe , and no question but M. Marshall would have all men , of his mind : ergo . 2. That all men should beleeve and take their cause to be Gods , &c. is evident in that he saies , they are all called to be Leaders and Captaines of the Lords Host : called , that is , immediately by the Lord himselfe , as Deborah , Barack , and the Iudges of old were ; by some speciall instinct and inspiration : no other kind of call can he challenge for them : for the King by whom God ordinarily calls , and makes Captaines and Leaders of his Host , I am sure M. Marshall himselfe will not say , did call them together , to doe as they doe , to set his Kingdomes in a Combustion , but rather to confirme , and establish them in a further Peace ; not to raise Armies against his owne Person , and expresse Commands ; but to consult together for the tranquillity , and safety of his people . Now if they be such as M. Marshall intitles them , and so called , as he ( without any proofe ) supposeth them , then it must needs follow that they , who helpe them , helpe the Lord , and their cause , must be the cause of the Lord . 3. That all who doe not helpe them and their cause , are to be accursed , accounted of , and dealt withall as was expressed , the tenour of M. Marshalls discourse upon his Text , in the proofe of his doctrine , doth suffici●ntly declare , as I shall shew when I come to note his Misapplications . But further , that M. Marshalls meaning is the same , as was expressed , I doe appeale to the people ; whose Evidence is as sufficient in this case as M. Marshalls owne . They will witnesse with me , that they doe thus interpret and understand him : as was apparent , not onely by the Prisoners that were taken at Brampton-Bryan Castle , ( of whom is mention in the Preface to this discourse , ) but also by that extract of them , those miserable wretches , that were slaine at Hopton Castle : for they , while they maintained the same against the Kings Souldiers , amongst other revileing and blasphemous expressions , some of them would cry out : O you Rogues , you doggs , will you fight against the Lord , against your redeemer : ( which plainly infers , that 't is a generall position , infused into them all , by their teachers , that their cause is the cause of God , and they that oppose them , oppose the Lord ) which blasphemous expression , occasioned others as vile , from some of the prophaner sort of our men ; ( which indeed I tremble to expresse ; ) and afterward when that Castle was taken , that blasphemy of theirs , together with other opprobrious and reviling speeches , did stir up that rage in the mercilesse Souldiers , which occasioned that barbarous , and inhumane slaughter of those miserable men ; for which my heart hath often bled in secret ( as God knowes ) ; it being an Act , however deserved on the sufferers part , yet too too cruelly inflicted by the Kings men : most contradicting His Majesties meeke and gratious Spirit ; of much disparage among vulgar people to His righteous Cause ; and most unbeseeming Christian Souldiers ; insomuch , that my prayer is , and shall ever be : good Lord smite the hearts of the Actors in , and Consenters unto , that bloody Tragoedy with true remorse for that their barbarous cruelty . But here by the way , I would have all men note , the originall cause of that and such like deeds of barbarousnesse , and inhumanity : the Preachers of that side infuse by their doctrines such blasphemous and bloody Principles , into their men ; who being of the common sort doe think it part of their zeale ; to discover the same in words , as well as when they have power to performe it in deeds ; and thereby doe exasperate the opposite party , to pay them home in their own Coyne ; for they think they have as good grounds to reckon themselves to be for the Lord , as the others have : and if to be bloody and cruell be the way to shew it , they can be as bloody as they ; though I am sure , our men have not so learned Christ from their teachers : but alas ! the examples of others , though deadly Enemies , will prevaile more in matters of evill , then the precepts of any ( though of neerest friends ) in matters of good . And thus have we seen M. Marshalls mistakes , in the seasonablenesse of his Text , insomuch , that I suppose it may be concluded , contrary to what he fancyeth , that his Text was most unseasonable . 1. In respect of the times , being times of the Gospell , and so times of Blessing and not of Cursing ; of returning good for evill , and not on the contrary ; of overcoming both ours and Gods Enemies with our benefits and Prayers . 2. In respect of the temper of most People , who ( in these last and worst dayes , ) do generally mind their own things , and not the things of Iesus Christ , to please their own humours , their own corruptions , ( which are rather to curse and wish hurt to others , then to dislike of such curses , ) the things of Christ , ( his precepts his commands ) are contrary to our selfish inclinations . 3. In respect to the occasion of the dayes meeting ; which was ( being a Fast day ) to humble themselves , for their former uncharitablenesse towards their Brethren ; to get their spirits meekned by Gods word , and so fitted to serve the Lord in their callings ; and to be assistant to his cause and people , by their Prayers ; which must proceed from hearts and mouths seasoned with Charity and not with Cursing . 4. But specially it seems to be a Text most unseasonable to the Honourable Assembly of Parliament ; who all should be as the Lord , dealing out blessings to this Nation , as the Lord doth ; and the rather because they were call'd together for that purpose ; and not to be a Curse unto us : they are called ( saies M. Marshall ) to be Captains and Leaders of the Lords Host ; I suppose he means ( or should meane ) under the Captain Generall Christ Iesus ; and therefore 't is fit they should be conformable to his Orders ; and to his Example , in all their wayes and Carriages ; He was mercifull , peaceable , and indulgent to his inferiors , and so should these have been provoked by him to be : whereas to Preach of Cursing to them , and so to imbittor their spirits , must needs be most improper , and unseasonable , and the only way to make them unlike the Lord , whose Leaders and Captains over us , they ought to be ; I am sure , it hath been a meane to breed extreame disorders and confusions . And thus I have discovered M. Marshalls Misapprehensions in the Choice of his Text , and so I end the first Section . SECTION , II. Wherein are discovered Mr Marshall's Misinterpretations . I Shall now take a view also of his Interpretation of his Text , which followes after his division of it , which is this . In this Text ( saies he ) which I call the doom of Meroz , are two things . 1. The Author of the doom , or Sentence : The Angell of the Lord . 2. The sentence given against them , in the other words : wherein M. Marshall considers their fault . They came not to help the Lord , considers their punishment , a Curse and a bitter one . Curse ye bitterly , or in cursing , continue to curse them , vehemently curse them , never leave Cursing them , thus M. Marshall : now for the Interpretation . 1. The Author of the doome or sentence against Meroz ; it was the Angell of the Lord . M. Marshall doth not determine , whether thereby is meant Deborah the Prophetesse , or Barack the Generall , or all that have divine inspiration ( as he speakes ) only this he saies , that the Curse came not from any private spirit , as of Deborah , and Barack singly , but was by Divine Authority : and herein he speaks the truth : And I wish that all who are prodigall of their Curses , in these daies : would be sure before they scatter or shoot them , that they had also a divine Authority . But the things which M. Marshall hereby would hint unto us , are these . 1. That a like divine Authority , or inspiration to Curse is have able in these daies , as in ancient times : for else this Text could not in his owne conceit be seasonable . 2. That many have , ( or are indued with ) divine inspiration : for his phrase all that have doth inferre that many have . 3. That though the Curse , that comes from the Prophet alone , or the Generall alone , may be liable to be suspected : as the fruit of a private spirit ; yet if the same also proceed from the many , from the people , specially in their abstract or representative body , the House of Commons , or the prevalent part there , who are vox populi ; then it must be accounted vox Dei , and of divine Authority ; what ever they breath forth , ( though the same that Saul did , when he persecuted the Church of God ) must be believed to be by divine inspiration . This we shall further evidence anon from Mr Marshalls own words upon another occasion . 2. Meroz or the people cursed : M. Marshall concludes they were Iewes , of the same Country , and Religion with Deborah and Baracke , by whom they were ( saies he ) probably called to lend their assistance ; being as neere the enemies danger as the rest , and because they were such ill neighbours and would not afford their assistance , they had an Heavier doome layd upon them , then any oth●r ; and indeed ( I adde ) deservedly : for should any City , or Towne , or County , upon a like call , from him that is supreme Iudge or Governor under God ( as Deborah , and Barack at that time were , ) refuse to lend their cheerfull , and Loyall assistance ; they deserve an heavy censure , and to have an heavy mulct layd upon them : but M. Marshall hath a further insinuation which we shall discover by and by . 3. Curse them : The word signifies ( saies he ) maledicere verbo , maleface●● re , to speak evill of them , to revile them , to reproach them , to wish mischiefe to them , to doe any evill against them , to execute indeed , what they would wish in words so to order them , that they may be barren and desolate , as a wildernesse , that they may wither away , and be as houses and walls without foundations . 4. By the mighty : he ●aies first ( and that truly ) is meant literally King Iabin and his Generall Sisera : but then he str●tches , ( coming neerer to his purpose ) and saies : But in Gods intent the mighty are all , of what ranke or quality soever , who are Eminent in wisdome , strength , Authority , or Riches , and mannage an ill cause against the Lord , or against his Church : which may ( haply ) be true in thesi : though not in M. Marshalls Hypothesi : for he supposeth that to be an ill cause , without dispute , which his side opposeth , and those who oppose that or them , to be the opposers of the Lord , and of his Ch●rch : so that in briefe M. Marshall would have the words to be understood thus : All Englishmen and Common people , that will not ayde the Parliament , or the House of Commons , when they call , against all men , whom they are pleased to account Gods Enemies , and managers of an ill cause ; who are first the King , with the Generall of his Armies : then all his Nobles , Gentry , and others of what rank or quality soever ; that are eminent in wisdome , Strength , Authority , or Riches , that doe assist and ayde him ( us their duty is to doe , being his sworne subjects ) against them : are to be ill spoken of reviled , reproached , and have all the mischiefe done them , which men whose mouths are full of cursings , and ill speeches , are able to wish them ; yea to be so handled , that they may wither away , and never thrive more ; they must , like briars and thornes , be pluckt up by the rootes , they and their children ; that their names might be had no more in remembrance ; even because they came not to help the Lord : that is , the House of Commons , or the prevailing party there ; who are all as the Lord ( as wise and as infallible as he ) being all call'd to be , Leaders and Captains of the Lords Host , but doe rather chuse to mannage that , which they ( the Parliament ) judge to be evill , and against God , his Church and People . This is that which M. Marshall would insinuate to be the meaning of Gods spirit in this his Text ; and thus doe the vulgar sort of his Faction understand the same ; as appeares by their calling themselves Gods owne people ; and their cause Gods cause , and the opposers of themselves and it , fighters against the Lord and his Church . Their Armies they call Gods Host. And ( as M. Marshall doth ) the House of Commons , the Captaines and Leaders of it ; and all that side not with them , they account and call Malignants : and thinke they doe but their duty ( according to M. Marshalls doctrine ) to reproach and revile them , to rob them , and to shed their bloud . But I affirme 't is possible that both M. Marshall and they too , may erre in the ground of their Hypothesis ; in the foundation of that good opinion , which they have of themselves , and of their cause : which is onely , the judgement of their owne side , or of their infallible Parliament : for men have alwayes been wont to be too partiall to themselves , when they have been their owne Iudges . The Arrians were once the onely Orthodox Christians if their owne words might be taken , and those that joyned not to them were Gods Enemies , and as such to be used : the Donatists another while cryed out in their owne behalfe , that themselves were onely Gods people , and those who opposed them , opposed Christ . And the Papists have a long time , said the same thing concerning their owne cause , and Church ; and such hath been the fancy of all Hereticks , and Schismatick● , in the world , in their owne behalfes : But if Gods Holy word might be admitted Iudge in this case , I dare boldly affirme , that some of them ( who by Mr Marshall and his Faction ) are accounted Managers of the ill cause ; and ( according to his doctrine ) are reproached with the names of Malignants , Devills and Doggs ; would undertake with the hazard of their lives ; to prove , that cause , which they maintaine , suffer in , and are persecuted for , ( by them , who ingrosse to themselves the name onely of Gods people ) to be that cause which Scripture warranteth . But neither the Arrians , nor Papists , nor any other the Enemies of G●ds truth , when they had once got the Militia , or power into their hands , would ever referre themselves or cause to Scripture . No more now will these men : the Arme of flesh indeed , ( now they are possessours of it ) is more suteable to their purpose to defend them . And truly to all them who are not extreamly blinded , this is a most convincing Argument , that the cause which M. Marshall , and his Faction , call good , is starke naught , because it shuns the light ; they dare not bring it to a publick disputation ; good Gold would endure the fire , and a good Cause would loose nothing by a tryall . And indeed for M. Marshall since his whole endeavours are to promote that cause ; I wonder ( knowing his ancient ingenuity ) that he should ●ot bring so much as one Argument , to evidence the goodnesse of it ; can he thinke the matter so unquestionable , that it needs no proving ? or that all men looke with his Eyes , and have captivated their faith and judgements to the censure of the Parliament , as himselfe hath done ? must a thing of necessity be true or false as the Parliament judgeth ? because they say their owne cause is good , and the Kings bad , themselves are in the right , and he in the wrong , must it therefore by all men , ( without Haesitation ) be so taken ? must all men build upon M. Marshalls foundation , and walke by that unwarrantable rule , which he hath chosen to walke by ? there is no reason he should expect it . And now least any should thinke , that I mistake M. Marshall , I will Evidence that he doth fancy his Parliament to be infallible , and that he hath submitted his owne faith and judgement to its determination . I will to this purpose , give you his owne words , in a certaine Letter of his , to a namelesse Friend ; ( it was written in vindication of himselfe , from the imputation of madnesse , and published to the world in Midsommer moone last yeare , 1643. ) In which after he had handled his case of Divinity , ( as he calls it ) and proved ( as himselfe fancieth ) the lawfulnesse of resisting the Supreame Magistrate , though most poorly indeed , and most unlike his former selfe , ( as all who knew him may easily judge , ) He comes , Pag. 22. to a second case : which he calls matter of fact : and therein ( forgetfull of himselfe and of that Scripture : Thou shalt not speake evill of the Ruler of the People ) he falls foule upon the King : and ( like a mad man indeed ) layes load upon his Soveraigne : saying , that His Majesty being seduced by wicked Councell , did levy Warre against his Parliament . He meanes at that time , ( for of then he speaketh ) when the Parliament raised their first Army ; which , he sayes , was onely in their owne defence : and it was at that present , when the King had neither Men , nor Armes , nor Ships left him , nor scarce mony to buy himselfe and Children bread ; for they had robbed and cheated him of all . And therefore well may the question be asked M. Marshall , what Evidence there was of the Kings leavying Warre ; and I beleeve his Conscience expected the same , and thereupon provided his Answer ready , in the same place ; which sure himselfe thinkes abundantly full , and able to give all men satisfaction , my great Evidence , sayes he , is , the Parliament judgeth so . 'T is worth our observation ; no evidence he had of any word or Act of Hostility on the Kings part : for this , he sayes , was his great Evidence , a greater then which he could not shew ; nor needs he , as himselfe supposeth : for he proceeds further , and sayes , the Iudgement of a Parliament of England , was never till now , questioned by a people of England . And yet we read of a Parliament in England called the mad Parliament ; and of another called the wicked Parliament ; and Posterity will find mention of a Bloudy and deceitfull Parliament : the Iudgement of the first of these , was surely questioned by some people of England ; when they intitled it an Assembly of Rebells : and so was the wisedome of the second , when all the Lawes made therein were afterward annihilated : therefore I may much more truly affirme ; that a King of England , never received so much prejudice , and unchristian usage as now , by any Parliament in England . But the man goe● on still , to amplifie the Supremacy and infallibility of his present Parliament , and adde● : wisemen say ( and so doth he ) that a Parliament of England , ( 't is this he means ) is like Saint Pauls spirituall man , ( as Satan is to an Angell of light ) who iudgeth all & himselfe is iudged of none . O I would to God , it were not onely like , but endued with the same spirit , that St Pauls spirituall man is endued withall , for then I am sure it would be lesse bloudy and more obedient . But here by the way , we may conjecture , that M. Marshall will never hence forth finde fault with the Popish Collyer for blindly beleeving as the Church beleeves ; who thinkes it his owne duty , to beleeve as the Parliament Iudgeth . And here also let 's note the reason , which too few observe , why he and others of that side , doe conceive , as appeares by their practice , that telling of untruths , breaking of Oathes , resisting and defaming the King , shedding of innocent bloud , and such like things are in these dayes ( if some men commit them ) no sinnes : this doubtlesse is their great Evidence . The Parliament judgeth so . But seeing we have heard M. Marshall thus farre ; let 's listen to him a little further . The Iudgement of his Parliament , is not onely a sufficient ground for his Faith , but for his practice also . For he proceeds in his discourse ; and from the supposed infallibility and Supremacy of his Parliament , makes this Collary : And therefore if I should give none other account of mine entring upon my office in the Army , ( which was not to fight , or to meddle in the Councell of Warre , but onely to teach them , how to behave themselves , according to the word , that God might be with them ) should I ( I say ) give no other account , but the determination of that wise Assembly , I should be acquitted by indifferent men : Indeed they must be very indifferent men that will acquit him ; indifferent for honesty and discretion ; indifferent whether th●y ●peake truly or falsely ; rightly or wrongfully ; indifferent whether they speake like wisemen or like fooles : such kind of indifferent men , will likely enough indeed acquit M. Marshall , but for other kind of men , I beleeve they would have acquitted him better ; if when he entred upon his office in the Army , he had been preaching Peace and obedience to his Parish and Charge at Finchingfield . But that passage of M. Marshall is worthy our further observance , that he sayes , His entring upon his Office in the Army was not to fight or to meddle in the Councell of Warre , &c. They that knew M. Marshall in former times ; how sensible he was wont to be in his discourses ; how true in his words ; and how carefull , that his actions shall not interfere with his sayings ; may be ready to thinke that ( notwithstanding , his endeavours to free himselfe from the imputation of madnesse ) either he had some straine of distraction , when he wrote this ; or that the sinne of Rebellion like the witchcraft of Circe , had transformed him into another Creature . For was it not to fight ? why then did he ( who was wont like a Minister of Christ , to thinke himselfe sufficiently armed with Gods word and spirit ) Souldier like , get him a Buffe Coat , and ride from his home with his Sword and Pistolls , to the admiration of many his former peaceable acquaintance ; who tooke him till then , for a man of another spirit ? it should seeme by this , that when he entred his Office in the Army , he had a purpose to fight . Nay , I have heard some of his friends , ( Clergy men of that Faction ) whether truly or falsely , I cannot tell , glory much in his activity and valour that way ; How like a Couragious Captaine , he went before the Souldiers into the Field ; incouraged them by his owne example to the Battell ; yea brought up the Rere , Charged himselfe at Edgehill : some say , he gathered up the Bullets in his Hat , in the time of the fight , and brought them to the Souldiers to shoot againe : though I confesse I have heard others say , that when he and the rest of the Ministers of that side , had set their Christian Countrymen togeather by the eares , themselves got up upon an Hill a mile or two off , whence with their Prospective glasses , they beheld them fighting ; till being discovered by a Party of the Kings that made towards them , they made use of their Horse heeles , and deviding themselves , rid severall wayes , but met all at Warwicke Castle before the next morning . But why not to fight ? was it because fighting is unlawfull for a Minister of the Gospell to practise ? why then , is not exasperateing and provoking others to fight unlawfull too ? doth not the Scripture inhibit Ministers to be stirrers up of others to strife and ●ontention , as well as to be strikers themselves ? ought they not to be perswaders to Peace as well as keepers of it ? But because M. Marshall saies it was not to fight . I would aske whether he intended not , when he entred upon his Office in the Army , to p●actise hi● owne Doctrine ; now his Doctrine ( as we have heard ) is , maledicere verbo , malefacere re , to speak evill ( of those that be not on his side ) to revile , to reproach them , to doe any evill against them , to execute indeed , what one would wish in word . Now if M. Marshall entred his Office in the Army , to practise this Doctrin● , then sure to fight , for most men do interpret , that to do any evill against others , to execute indeed what one can wish in words , no lesse then to fight with them , yea and to kill them too , if they can get them at the advantage . But ( he saies ) as he entred his office not to fight , so not to meddle in the Councell of Warre . Yet I could name Ministers of his ●ide , that have had a great stroak , yea & the bloudiest stroak too in that Councell ; & M. Marshall may think it a great neglect of himselfe , if his Councell should not be asked , and taken in a businesse of that nature as well as others . But suppose M. Marshall in his private spirit , should scruple to have any thing to do in the Councell of blood : yet how if his Parliament ( which like S. Pauls spirituall man iudgeth all , and it self is iudged of none , ) shall notwithstanding the late Acte against the Clergies medling in Civill affaires , judge it lawfull , and fit ; that M. Marshall shall give his advice in the Councell of Warre , and thereupon shall request the sa●e of him . I hope he will be as good as his word ; and still interpret their requests , Commands , and hold it fit his obedience should last as long as their proposalls : be they never so large or so unlawfull . But M. Marshall tells us also , that his entring upon his office in the Army was onely to teach them , how to behave themselves according to the word , that is to say : of the Parliament , according to their Ordinances and Declarations ; which Commanded to kill , slay and destroy all that should oppose them . I see not how he can meane according to the word of God : for then he should have taught them to put up their swords , and told them ( as Christ Peter ) that he who smiteth with the sword ( viz : without or against authority ) shall perish by the sword . He should with S. Paul have taught , avenge not your selves but blesse them that persecute you , blesse and curse not . He should with the wise Preacher have councelled them , to keep the Kings Commandement , and that in regard of their Oath of Allegeance , which they have taken in the name and presence of God . He should with S. Peter have urged subjection for the Lords sake , to the King the supream Magistrate under God , and with David he should have proclaimed , that he who lifteth up his hand against Gods Annoynted , cannot be guiltlesse . He should have said to his Country-men as Moses did to the two striving Israelites , why do you contend ? you are brethren : he should have cryed with that great Apostle , study to be quiet , and as much as in you lyeth ( if it be possible ) live peaceably with all men . Had M. Marshall taught them behaviour according to Gods Word ; he should have taught them such doctrines as these , or at least he should have preachd such duties to them as Iohn Baptist did to the Souldiers , Luk. 3. do violence to no man , &c. but hath he and the rest of his Brethren done so ? whence then is this complaining in our streets , of Houses , Horses , and Men Plundered by the Parliament side ? whence that lamentable crying of desolate women and children , exposed to nakednesse , hunger and all misery ? whence that captivity of peaceable men , because supposed rich or Loyall ? whence these high abuses by Souldiers of that party to Ministers and Churches ? How many of these have they most wickedly defaced , most brutishly defiled , and most irreligiously throwne downe to the ground ? and though Gods judgements , have fallen upon some while they have bin acting these vilanies , yet have the rest persisted in their way : if M. Marshall entred his Office in the Army , to teach the Souldiers to behave themselves according to the word of God , why hath he not taught them better ? why hath he not at least stopped them in the Commission of these things ? why hath he not taken the hint from some of Gods judgements upon the actors , to apply their sinne upon the Consciences of others , as formerly he was wont to doe upon smaller evidence ? is he so taken up in his thoughts with the misbehaviour of the Cavileeres , that he can see none of these miscarriages in his owne party ; or are they no miscarriages , because they do them ? surely M. Marshall hath not discharged himselfe in that particular , for which he entred his Office , if by the word he meanes Gods word ; or else , he is lesse perswasive and powerfull in his teaching , then he was wont to be ; indeed ( being so farre out of Christs way , no marvaile if God refuse to smile upon his labours with a blessing as heretofore . But how mildely , and mercifully M. Marshall doth teach those of his Faction , and how according to the word to behave themselves , we shall see hereafter in this his Sermon ; and perhaps shall thinke from what we shall therein finde , that to behave themselves according to the word , in his sense , is to justifie themselves in their wicked waies , by perverting , and abusing the word ; for that is the thing which by his example , he teacheth in the same : and herein I confesse he hath been too unhappily successefull upon the weake spirits of the vulgar people . But I returne from his selfe to his Sermon . Now by this digression we have seene from M. Marshalls own writeings ; what is the foundation of that good opinion , which himselfe , and these of his side have of themselves , and of their cause , t●e Parliament judgeth so , which is also the reason , why the King and all his friends , who are eminent in Wisedome , Strength , Authority or Riches , must be beleived to mannage the ill Cause against the Lord and against his Church , the Parliament iudgeth so . And therefore 't is every mans duty , to speak evill of them , to reproach them , to call them Papists and doggs , yea and to do any mischiefe to them in deed , that can be wished in word , to seize upon their estates , and to slaughter their bodies , for the Parliament judgeth so . Nor must any one doubt but in so doing he helpeth the Lord against the mighty , for the Parliament judgeth so . And if the Ministers on that side shall please to say , that they doe not enter upon their Office in the Army , to fight or to meddle in the Councell of Warre , and notwithstanding shall manibus pedibusque , with tooth and naile and tongue too ; stir as much , and more then any , against Law it selfe ; yet it must be apprehended that they doe all things well , and as they should doe ; for the Parliament judgeth so . And if in stead of teaching men to behave themselves according to the word , they shall teach them to pervert the word , for the justification of themselves in wayes of wrong and blood , why this also is well done , if the Parliament judgeth so . In a word telling of untruths , breaking of oathes , resisting and defaming the King , shedding of innocent blood , and such like things , ( if these 〈◊〉 whom the Parliament judgeth Gods people , do commit them , to promote that which they call the Lords cause , ) are no transgressions , but acts of Religion , and zeale , for the Parliament judgeth so . This is the great and undeniable evidence , the Parliament judgeth so . But let me tell all men , that the judgement of God is greater then that of the Parliament , and he knoweth all things , and will judge all men , with righteou● judgement , even these Parliament men themselves ; whom ere long he shall fetch before his Barre of Iustice , their Militia , shall not hinder him therein , ( as it doth at this present his vicegerent , ) and to that great and dreadfull Lord God , I leave them ; and returne , to Mr Marshall , whose Misinterpretation of his Text we have in part seen , and the ground thereof to be a false opinion of the infallibility of judgement , in the Parliament : I shall still follow him . When he had in his sence expounded his Text , he doth note by the way some observations , before he concludes upon his main doctrine , all which he should have done well , to have quite omitted , or else in more full and cleare tearmes , to have propounded them ; they are these in their order . Although Gods people ( {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} ) must blesse and not curse , yet in some cases , they may forsake mount Gerazim , and ascend mount Eball , and there curse and curs● bitterly . Mr Marshall should have done well in a few wordes , to have noted what cases those are : for people being naturally inclined rather to curse then blesse , are apt to be mistaken in thinking that to be a case , which is not : beside many true Godly people , doe think that in no case , they ought to curse in these daies ; because the Spirit of the Gospell is no cursing spirit ; nor are the times of the Gospell , cursing times : and the doctrine of the Gospell is blesse and curse not , which they interpret in no case ; therefore I say M. Marshall should have done well to have set downe his cases , which he would have excepted . Although the Curse causelesse shall not come , yet when Gods people according to Gods direction , clave non errante doe curse , their curse is like the flying rowle , Zack . 5.3 , 4. a consuming curse . In this also Mr Marshall , should have done well , to have given some infallible Rules , that people might know when they should curse , according to Gods direction , clave non errante , for every man is ready to think himselfe a Pope ; and when ever , he hath a provocation to curse , to think that he hath that clavem non errantem in his possession ; though some Protestants question , whether there be any such unerring Key , committed to any upon earth or no . The mighty doe frequently oppose the Lord ; it is no new thing to finde the mighty in strength , the mighty in Authority , the mighty in wealth , the mighty in parts , in Learning and Councell , to ingage all against the Lord his Church and cause . Here also M. Marshall might have done well , to have distinguished upon the Mighty ; for those ignorant people that take M. Marshalls words for Scripture , may perhaps misapply his meaning , and ( from what they may learne in the next observation , ) when they see any one , of their own side grow mighty : above others in ●uthority and wealth , by meanes of those estates of other men ( which they hope shortly to enjoy : ) they may take upon them to murder them , and so some of the Worthy Members , may chance to have their throats cut ; because in regard of their mightinesse , they may be apprehended , likely to oppose the Lord his Church and Cause , for the mighty doe frequently do so , saies M. Marshall : Therefore had he said , some of the mighty , some of the wealthy do so ; it had been more safe , and more advisedly spoken : or had he used St Pauls modesty , and sai●not many Noble , not many Mighty , not many Learned doe assist the Lord and his cause , he had been lesse liable to misconstruction ; for not many , doth not ●xclude all , nor suggest a ●uspition of all , but yeeldeth to Gods praise , that some of eminent ranke in all Ages , have been friends and defenders of the Church of God . Indeed to that observation M. Marshall in some following words addeth , and that most truly , ( for I will not omit the notice of any his truths , I had rather passe by his errors , if not too palpable and detrimentall to the glory and Church of God . ) I say he addeth there , that the Lambs followers and servants , are oftentimes the poore and ofscouring of the world , i. e. so accounted , and so content to be esteemed ; they mind not great things to themselves to the dammage of others right , as to get the Militia of Kingdomes into their hands ; to domineere over their superiors ; to dethrone Kings , that themselves may raigne ; or to persecute the Annoynted of the Lord , they accounting themselves , the ofscouring of things , ( according to others esteem of them , ) do know that their time of reigning is not yet , nor to be , in this world , for Christs Kingdome whereof they are heires , lies not here below ( as himselfe hath said , ) therefore they look after no greater preferments , then are sutable to themselves in their particular places and stations ; the Lambs followers and servants are Lambs too , 't is against their natures to play the Wolves ; to thirst for the blood and ruine of others ; maledicere verbo , malefacere re , to curse , revile , reproach , to wish or doe any kind of mischiefe , were not the conditions of him , that was led like a sheep to the slaughter , and therefore none of their conditions . When the mighty of the world doe oppose the Lord ; Gods meanest servants must not be affraid to oppose the mighty . This observation also of M. Marshall , would have been capable of a cleerer understanding , if it had been a little fuller thus : when it is manifestly evidenced by the word of God , that the mighty of the World doe oppose the Lord , Gods meanest servants having a lawfull call from the supreame Magistrate , or being Authorized and Commanded by him , unto whom they have sworn Allegiance , must not be affraid or unwilling to oppose the mighty . Whosoever comes out to joyne their strength , and to give assistance to the Lords people , the Lord doth interpret them all , to give help and assistance to himselfe . Here M. Marshall is defective also , both in his explication , and expression , for he should have unfolded who are Gods people , by some such evident markes , and notes , as that ignorant and well meaning men , might not be mistaken in affording their assistance : we read in the Gospell of some that should come in these last daies in sheeps cloathing , who within would be ravening wolves ; and that should be so cunning in their Hypocriticall professions ; that they should deceive many , yea if possible the very elect : now if men should give their assistance to these as to God's People , they should doe much amisse . Againe , he should have added in Gods way , and said : who ever comes to give assistance to the Lords people , in the Lords way , the Lord doth interpret them to give it to himselfe : for as when a Souldier yeelds his bodily assistance to a Captaine , but will not be ordered by him , to imploy it in that way , which he p●escribes ; the Captain will no● interpret him to be an helper , but an hinderer rather : so if men doe not helpe God in Gods way : wherein he expects and Commands their assistance , they are not his assisters but his hindere●s . Now Gods way wherein he expects assistance from men , is the same that Christ himselfe went in , ( who was the greatest helper and Honourer of God the Father , that ever was : ) and it was the Humble low way , the selfe-denying way , the patient submissive way : not the high lofty , insulting way , not the domineering way , which the flesh affecteth , not the way of Rebellion , of lying or of blood : but of obedience , truth and Peace . And thus I have been bold a little to cleare M. Marshalls observations , that the vulgar may more rightly understand them ; not but that I know he was able to have done it himselfe : only , when he Preached this Sermon , he begun to be engaged in this new cause ; and haply his misguided zeale , and desire was so eager to get abettors thereunto ; that he was lesse faithfull at the present in the worke of God , then indeed was fitting ; or then I hope he will hereafter be , when God in mercy , shall set him free againe , from this bloudy , and unlucky engagement . And now I come to consider of his main doctrine , which ( with confidence ) he doth propound , after the uttering his unperfect notes , and it is in these words . All people are Blessed or Cursed ▪ as they doe or doe not , joyne their strength , and give their best assistance , to the Lords people against their Enemies . Were it with M. Marshall as in times past ; he would scarcely yeeld , this doctrine , in these termes , to be by rule of Logick , deducible from this text : for though from Generalls , particulars may be safely drawne , yet from a particular or indefinite expression , to conclude an universall proposition , is not so naturall : what doth competere alicui , to some people in specie ; may not competere omni , to all in genere ; and againe what doth competere omni , ma● not semper alwaies , or at all times ; for the change of times and seasons , may occasion that doome or Curse , which was imputeable to many heretofore , to be lesse appliable now . Beside 't is the judgement of some learned men , that the speeches in Scripture spoken unto , or written of , some then alive , if they receive any specification from them to whom directed , or of whom spoken ; ought not to be propounded or applyed , by us Ministers , as ●poken to or of all men at all times : now it cannot be denied , but these words of the Text , have a speciall relation to Meroz , and may be said to receive specification from it : therefore I thinke had M. Marshall advised well with himselfe , the doctrine arising naturally from the same , should rather have been expressed in these words . Meroz or the Inhabitants thereof did deserve a bitter Curse , because they came not to help the Lord against his Enemies . And then it might have been informed by way of use , and Application : that all people , who stand in the same dependance , as Menoz did , & are guilty of her fault , doe deserve the like Curse , as was layed upon her : But then indeed the dependence that meroz stood in , ( as well as her fault ) should have been more fully declared , in the interpretation of the words ; which ( with M. Marshalls favour ) I conceive should have been in this manner rather . He calls the Text a Sentence against Meroz , so that in the words according ( almost ) to his own method , here is 1. The Author of the Sentence . 2. The people sentenced . 3. The sentence it selfe . 4. The crime or fault wherefore . 1. The Author of the Sentence , is the Angell of the Lord , by whom is to be understood , one that hath power to Curse , and to authorize others so to doe : for the Proposition is imperative , Curse ye Meroz , sayes the Angell of the Lord . One therefore it must be , that hath divine Authority ( as M. Marshall well ) that is ; he must be a Superiour , for such onely have Authority from God , to blesse or curse : without controversie ( sayes the Apostle ) the lesse is blessed of the greater . Not the greater of the lesse : now Fathers had alwayes this power , given them of the Lord , as their naturall prerogative , and paternall right , to blesse or curse their Children : and we see often by experience ; that the Parents blessing , or curse upon the Child , is confirmed by God : And we all know , that Kings or Supreame Magistrates , are Patres Patriae , and in respect of their places , have power of blessing or cursing others , conferr'd upon the● by the Lord ; and what they doe in this kind , or authorize to be done , upon right and just causes , is done by paternall right and regall prerogative , and therefore by divine Authority , and God will approve and second the same . 2. The people sentenced : they are the Inhabitants of Meroz , who as M. Marshall sayes , were ( by consent of all writers ) Iewes ; and so must needs be Subjects in the Common-wealth of Israell ; and therefore in respect of that their dependance , and relation , were bound to be assistant to the Supreame Magistrate , whom God as their Soveraigne or Captaine Generall , did set over them against his Enemies ; specially being called thereto , as M. Marshall sayes , in all probability Meroz wa● . 3. The Sentence it selfe is expressed in the word ( Curse them ) which I dare not interpret as M. Marshall doth , to speake evill of them , to revile , reproach , &c. for God allowes no man to give ill language , when Michaell disputed with the Devill about the body of Moses , he durst not give him any rayling speeches , as being unseemely for a servant of God to give : but curse them , that is , punish them , as disloyall Subjects ought to be punished ; who see their Soveraigne and publick Father in danger , and doe not afford him their assistance : or curse them , i.e. let the frowne of the Prince be towards them , let his high displeasure rise against them ; or let him , in such a case , as he is Pater Patriae , lay his curse upon them , and God will second it . For undoubtedly the deserved curse of a Soveraigne King , ( however 't is valued in these dayes ) shall and will prove as fatall , and heavy to Rebellious Subjects , as ever that of a naturall Father did to a Rebellious Child ; as on the other side , the blessing of a King , is as the blessing of a Father . Solomon saies , the wrath of a King is as the messenger of death ( so to be apprehended , ) and the displeasure of a King as the roaring of a Lion , ( as much to be feared , ) but his favour is as the dew upon the grasse , ( as comfortable a blessing ) without which the grasse can never thrive , and as much to be desired . 4. The crime or fault , because they came not to h●lpe the Lord : that is , to helpe their King , their Captaine , or Supreame Iudge , Deborah and Barack , whom God had set over them , and in whose side the Lord was , as all loyall Subjects and faithfull Israelites did : Against the mighty , that is , against those strong Rebells the Cananites ; who ought to have lived in obedience to Israell , ( being conquered by Ioshua ) but were now growne mighty in strength ; having by their close and treacherous workings ; gotten the Militia of the Kingdome into their hands , for they had made themselves possessours of 900 Chariots of Iron , whereby they mightily oppressed the Children of Israell , and from hence they had the denomination of mighty in this Text , as may be collected from the fourth verse of the former Chapter . And that I take to be the true sense of the words : So that briefly I may say , the Text is either a charge of Christ , the great Angell of the Lord to Supreame Magistrates ; ( such as Deborah and Barack at that present were ; ) that they should strictly punish , such their unfaithfull Subjects , as doe not assist them or adhere unto them , ( being called ) in times of danger . Or 't is a divine Authorization of themselves to lay their curse upon such on such an occasion . Or else 't is the charge of Deborah and Barack , or of the Supreame Magistrate under God ( who in Scripture is entitled , the Angell of God , ) unto his Officers , authorizing them , to inflict punishment upon such offenders ; and the true Doctrine or conclusion from the Text , truly expounded is this . Subjects may expect a blessing , or a curse , according as they doe , or doe not , joyne their strength and best assistance , to help the King or Supreame Magistrate against his Rebellious Subiects , when they grow mighty in strength or in oppression . Or because Gods people ( if they be truly his ) will alway help Gods Vicegerent , and M. Marshall best affects that expression , I will come as neare him , even in words as I can , and lay downe the poynt thus , People have cause to iudge themselves under a curse , or under a blessing , accordingly as they doe , or doe not , ioyne their strength and best assistance to the Lords people , against their Enemies , being lawfully called thereunto by the Supreame Magistrate , to whom they have sworne and owe Allegiance . And thus much for the rectifying of M. Marshalls interpretation of his Text , and doctrine from the same . I now come to note his Misapplications of other Scriptures , for the confirmation ( as he takes it ) of his doctrine . SECTION , III. Wherein are shewed Mr Marshalls Misapplications . MAster Marshall ( if we observe him ) doth prove his doctrine , after the same fashion as he raised it : for as he drew his generall from a particular , so he proves his Generall by particulars , out of the same Chapter . I confesse an Argument , ab inductione singularium , is tollerable in some cases ; but Logitians ( as I remember ) doe account that kind of Argumentation of all others , to be the weakest . But then for the further Confirmation thereof , in the next place , He sayes his doctrine is most plain in many other Scriptures , I will ( saies he ) cull out but three among three hundred ( which three we may suppose of all the three hundred , are the chiefe and most pregnant , ) whereof the first is from Ier. 48.10 . we will first see it , and then sift it : I will give you his very words , which are these . That whole Chapter containes the doome of Moab , Gods curse was now to be executed upon Moab , and you may read of Moab , that God once sent to him , when his people were in distresse , Let my out-casts dwell with thee Moab , be thou a shelter to them in the time of a storme : But Moab was too proud , to listen to Gods Councell : Moab was alway an ill Enemy to Israell , now God comes to reckon with him for it , now the spoyler shall come upon all his Cities ; and to them that were to execute this vengeance of God against them , marke what a charge is given in the tenth verse : Cursed is he that doth the worke of the Lord negligently , or fraudulently or deceitfully , as the word signifies , now what was the worke , which was to be done , the next words will tell you : Cursed is every one that withholds his hand from shedding of bloud , the strangest reason of a Curse that ever was read of : if ever a man might have pleaded ( as Peter once ) not so Lord , I have not been accustomed to this , here were roome for such a plea , when the worke was to goe , and embrew his hands in the bloud of men , to spill , and powre out the bloud of Women and Children , like water in every street . But he is a cursed man , that withholds his hand from this , or that shall doe it fraudulently , that is if he doe it as Saul did against the Amalekites , kill some and save some , if he goe not through with his worke , he is a cursed man , when this is to be done upon Moab the Enemy of Gods Church . So that what ever employment men are put to , they are cursed men , that take not part with God in his worke . In this relation of M. Marshall we may note three things . 1. The sinne of Moab . 2. The Iudgement to be inflicted upon Moab . 3. The charge of God to the Executioners thereof , all which if we a little look into ; we shall perceive , whether the example runs Parallell with M. Marshalls pretended purpose , as he would have it supposed . 1. The sin of Moab : was their ill-neighbourhood , they did not shelter Israell in the day of their Calamity : for we must know ; that the destruction of Iudea by the Chaldees , was some three yeare before that of Moab , and bordering upon that Nation ▪ many of the Iewes fled thither for safety , ( as many Loyall English , being plundered and persecuted by M. Marshalls Faction , have lately done , into some Counties of this Nation , where they have been strangers : ) and doubtlesse this was by Gods Councell and Providence , to try their neighbourly affections ; and that the Moabites might have an advantage o● occasion of doing good by their Hospitality to Gods people , and therefore 't is said , Esay . 16.3 . Take Councell , or be advised Moab , make thy selfe as a shadow of refreshing in the midst of the noon day , ( or heat of persecution , ) hide the outcasts , bewray not him that wandreth ; let mine outcasts dwell with thee Moab , be thou a Covert to them from the face of the spoyler . But the Moabites , were so farre from being friendly , that they played the Theeves with the poore Israelites , and robbed them of that little they carried away with them , derided at their miseries , and even skipt for joy at the mention of their calamity , is may be noted from Ier. 48.27 . and without question this was one of the sinnes , for which God sent judgement upon Moab ( as M. Marshall observes well ; ) and surely her pride was another , for Esay . 16.6 . she was very proud , and haughty , full of malice , and a great dissembler , a truster in lyes Ier. 48.30 . and in vers. 7. & 14. of that Chapter 't is intimated from whence it was , they were so proud , viz. from their mightinesse and strength for the Warre , their strong workes and Fortifications ; and their plenty of treasures , which by right or wrong they had gotten to themselves ; many holds , store of Militia , much treasure , and much people , many populous Townes and Cities were in the Association with them , and under their commands , which are named in the same Chapter from vers . 20. ad 25. and according to their strength and mightinesse , was their height and pride , their wrath and malice , these were Moabs sinnes . 2. The Iudgement to be inflicted upon Moab , was ( as M. Marshall will have it ) to be utterly spoyled , men women and Children , to have their bloud powred out in every street , to be dealt withall not as Saul dealt with the Amal●kites , kill some and save some . but as the Irish should have been dealt withall , even quite cut off from being a Nation : though I beleeve in this , M. Marshall stretcheth beyond the mind and will of God , for in the last verse of Ier. 48. there is a promise of God concerning Moab , to bring her Captivity backe in the latter dayes ; ( for of every Nation under Heaven , God would have some reserved to serve and praise him : ) But indeed the judgement upon Moab was such , and so great , that the Prophet Ieremy , ( being a man of another spirit then M. Marshall is now growne to be ) doth take up a most bitter Lamentation for her , vers. 31 , 32. in that Chapter . I will howle for Moab ( saies he ) and mine heart shall mourne for the men of Kirheres and Vine of Sibmah , I will weep for thee with the weeping of Iazer , &c. Had M. Marshall been in Ieremies case ; perhaps he would have tooke occasion , to have payed Moab in her owne Coyne , and derided at her miseries , as she had done before at those of the Iewes ; but the spirit of a true Israelite , is alwayes better and more compassionate then that of a Moabite . 3. But perhaps Mr Marshall may thinke , the severe charge which God gives against Moab ; may warrant the severity of his spirit in cases of this nature , for 't is sai● , vers. 10. Cursed be he that doth the worke of the Lord negligently , or deceitfully : Cursed be he that withholds his hand from bloud , in which charge ( for so M. Marshall calls it , ) we must consider two things . 1. Who were the Executioners imployed by God to punish Moab . 2. The Charge it selfe here layed upon them . 1. The Executioners of this punishment , were the Babilonians , an Heathen Nation whom God used in that age , to punish the Inhabitants of the world for their sins against him ; but they ( as I apprehend them ) had no respect to God in any thing they did ▪ nor can M. Marshall prove , that their aymes were to help the Lord against the mighty , or against his Enemies ; as he must doe , if his Allegation of their example in this place , be any thing to his present purpose : But as God said of the Assyrian , Esay . 10.5.6 . ( who was then the rod of his anger , ) I sent him against the people of my wrath and gave him a charge to take the spoyle , and to take the prey , and to tread them downe like mire in the streets , howbeit he thinkes not so , that is , he hath another intention , ends of his owne , even to cut downe Nations not a few ; to advance his owne name and greatnesse ; even so , may it be said hereof the Chaldeans ; God made them the rod of his anger against Moab ; and sent them to punish him for his sinne against God , and unneighbourlinesse towards his people ; but they had no Eye to Gods glory in the matter , they onely looked upon themselves , and at their owne ends ; perhaps , indeed they might be of M. Marshalls mind , to goe through with the worke ; to spare none , for saies the Text , v. 2. they devised evill against Moab , and said , come let us cut it off from being a Nation : but sure it was not because God so commanded , but for their owne security and advancement , and from a delight which they might have in shedding bloud . 2. Their Charge ( for so Mr Marshall calls it ) is in these words , Cursed is he that doth the worke of the Lord negligently , or fraudulently , or deceitfully , as the word signifies , Cursed is he that withholds his hand from bloud : which notwithstanding I rather take to be a generall Declaration ( by way of Caveat ) of that displeasure , which they shall feele from God ; who shall either not at all , or in a carelesse , and unfaithfull manner , performe that worke , or businesse which God shall imploy them about . Or if it must be applyed in particula● to the Chaldeans , I should take it to be a prediction of that punishment , which they should afterward tast , for their ayming at themselves , in their dealings with the Moabites ; as they we●e like the forementioned Assyrians , in pursuing their owne purposes ; so should they be like them , in reaping the fruit of their selfeish endeavours , in the conclusion ; though unawares to themselves , they had done the worke of the Lord too , against the people of Moab in the meane while ; the words are in the present tense . Cursed is He , to note the certainty of it , a forme of speaking most usuall in Scripture predictions . But because M. Marshall will have it a charge , let it so be : but then we must suppose this charge was sent from the Lord , by some Prophet to the Chaldeans , who thereby were made to unsterstand , ( as Saul was by Samuell in the businesse against Amaleck ) that the worke to punish Moab was Gods worke ; and that they ( the Chaldeans ) were inabled and sent of God as his instruments , to performe the same ; and to revenge his quarrell , for their churlishnesse in not relieving Gods people in distress : and that if they shall either , not doe the worke at all ; or whereas Gods will is that execution shall be done upon the Moabites ; if they shall onely make slaves of them , as they had done of some other Nations ; or shall doe the worke carelesly , without respect to God or his Church and cause , or shall doe it deceitfully , to by ends and purposes : why they themselves shall come under the same condition , and beare that curse , or punishment , which they were charged to inflict on others . Thus it must be supposed , if it be as M. Marshall will have it , a charge , and what then can be concluded from it but onely this . 1. That they who know themselves to be particularly appoynted of God to put offenders to death , if they shall neglect to performe their office in that way or manner as they are Commanded , shall suffer the like punishment themselves . 2. That they who undertake to doe the work of God , being lawfully called or appoynted thereunto ; and shall doe it negligently , or fraudulently in a carelesse way , or deceitfull manner , are liable to the Curse , and displeasure of God . For example . Th●s● men whom God calls by their oath of Allegiance , or by the Kings mandate , oh ▪ Otheers or Souldiers in His Majesties Cause ( which I shall shew a●on is the right cause and the cau●e of God ) if they sh●ll be negligent an● carelesse , ( as too many of them are ) and shall be drinking or sleeping , when they should be watching and studying to prevent the Enemy : these men deserve the high dis●leasure of the King , and are undoubtedly under the Curse and wrath of God . Or to come nearer to M. Marshall : The Commons House or any Members of the same , whom God calls by the Kings writ , to consult about the Peace of the Kingdome ; ( which is the worke of God , who is the God of Peace ) and to reforme abuses in Church and Common-wealth : which also is the Lords worke ; if they or any of them shall deale deceitfully , betraying the trust which the King hath imposed in them ; and pursue only their owne ends , and sinister respects ; minde only their owne greatnesse , and expose the King and Kingdome to Warre and ruine , doe the divells worke ( for so is the work of strife ; ) these men deserve the Kings curse , and are undoubtedly under the Curse of God : this is all that can be inferred from the words , and which they doe properly confirme unto us , taking them in Mr Marshalls own apprehension , as a Charge . And now let us consider , how this Scripture doth make for M. Marshalls turne : His aimes are not ( as you may observe ) to shew that Moab was under this Curse , for not helping and comforting the people of God , in the day of their Calamity : ( which indeed had been nearer to his purpose ) but to shew that the Chaldeans were liable to the Curse , if they did not doe the work of the Lord against Moab , for so himselfe saies , He is a cursed man that with-holds his hands from powring out the blood of Men , Women and Children , like water in the streets , when this is to done upon Moab the Enemy of Gods Church : this being fore observed . I doe conclude , that if M. Marshall can evidence from Scripture these three particulars : 1. That the Chaldeans or Babilonians , were informed by some Prophet , ( as Saul was by Samuell in the matter of Amalecke , ) that they were to undertake the punishing of Moab , as the Lo●ds work● , and to aime only at helping h●m , and his Church th●reby . 2. That those whom he would have now to act the Babilonians part , have as good a war●ant , ( from this place of Scripture ) to ●mbrew their hands , in the blood of them that are not of their own faction , as the Chaldeans had to shed the bloud of the Moabites . 3. That the particular Charge , ( for so he calls it ) which was here given against Heathenish Moab , is apply●ble against a Christian people in these times ; and that those whom he would have to drink of Moabs cup , are guilty of Moabs sinnes . If M. Marshall ( I say ) can evidence these particulars , then may this Scripture , from Ier. 48.10 . alleadged by him , be in some sort suteable for his purpose . But if he cannot prove all these , nor perhaps any one of these particulars ; I wish my friend , would take notice of this his impertinency and Misapplication of this Scripture . And like a good Minister of Iesus Christ , informe the seduced vulgar , by way of a selfe-denying recantation ; that though the Chaldeans were charged under the penalty of a Curse , to shed the blood of the Moabites ; yet 't is no good consequent to say , that Gods people also , have a like charge under a like penalty , to shed the blood of their Christian Brethren , and Countrey-men , because they are not altogether of their opinion . And the rather to induce M. Marshall to this , let him by the way consider ; that if ( as the common people understand him ) the King and those that take part with him , must needs be the Moabites ; and every of themselves liable to Gods curse , if they forbeare to do the work of God upon them ; that is , if they be not zealous to shed their blood : why then , those who think and call themselves Gods People , must of necessity , yeeld themselves to be Babilonians , at least while they are in execution of this bloody businesse , or else the Paralell neither is , nor can be perfect : I would have this particular remembred against we come to the next Scripture . But before I leave this , let me aske my friend M. Marshall a question : How if it should be prov'd , that his own faction have acted Moabs part , and been ill neighbour● to People in distresse ; and these not strangers , as Israell was to Moab , but of their own Nation and the Israell of God beside , who being unjustly cast out of their dwellings , ( not for their sinnes but for their Conscience sake , ) have come to some of them , their old acquaintance , for shelter , hoping to be hidden , and covered by their means , from the face of the spoyler : but they contrary to all humanity , have used them , as Moab used Israell ; scorn'd and derided them , and made themselves sport , at the notice of their miseri●s : yea , have been so farre from hideing , or keeping them secret ; that they have bewrayed and delivered them up into the hand of the Hunters ; nay what if it should be evidenced , that 't is preach'd amongst them , as a matter of Religion , to betray and discover those , that being driven from their naturall possessions , do seek for a secret covert against them ? Nay farther yet , suppose it should be evidenced tha● themselves , have been the outcasters , the spoylers , the Theeves , the Hunters of their Brethren , and the murderers of them , and so have acted both the part of the Chaldeans , and the Moabites too , against Israell ; both of barbarous Enemies , and of treacherous neighbours ? sure it cannot be denyed , if Moab for her part alone was justly called by M. Marshall the Enemy of Gods Church ; but they who exceed Moab so farre , must of necessity be yeelded none of Gods friends , of what account soever they are in their owne conceits . But whether this may not be evidenced of M. Marshalls Faction , I referre to the many thousands of banished , persecuted , ●nd imprisoned Englishmen of all degrees , Reverend Fathers of the Church , faithfull Ministers , Honourable Nobles , Worshipfull Gentlemen , and Conscientious Christians , to determine ; who within these three yeares last , have had experience of their dealings . And if it be so , then let M. Marshalls owne Conscience conclude in secret , who they are that deserve to have the vengeance and curse of God to be powred upon them ▪ and thus much for the first of M. Marshalls three Scriptures . I now proceed to a second of them , which he also alleadgeth in Confirmation of his doctrine ; his words thereof to his Auditory are these . Another place , you shall find in Psal. 137.8 , 9. The daughter of Babilon was there to be destroyed , observe now the Epethite which God gives to the Executioners of his wrath against Babilon ; Blessed is the man that rewardeth thee , as thou hast served us , Blessed is the man that makes Babilon drinke the same cup which Babilon hath made Gods people drinke ; now he that reads the booke of the Lamentations , may find how Babilon had used the Church of God , they had broken their bones as a Lion breakes the bones of a Lambe ; brought their necks under persecution ; made their skin black like an oven ; hang'd up their Princes by the hand ; and which is most of all cruell , had dash't their Children against the stones : now saith the Spirit of God , Blessed is the man that thus rewardeth Babilon , yea blessed is the man that takes their little ones , and dashes them against the stones : what Souldiers heart would not start at this , not only when he is in hot blood , to cut downe armed Enemies in the field ; but afterward deliberately , to come into a subdued City , and take the little ones , upon the speares poynt ; or take them by the heeles , and beat out their braines against the Walls : what inhumanity and Barbarousnesse , would this be thought : yet if the work be to revenge God's Church against Babilon , He is a blessed man that takes and dashes the little ones against the stones . These are M. Marshalls own words , concerning his 2d Scripture : in which is offered to our considerations these particulars . 1. The People to be destroyed : 2. The Executioners of this destruction : 3. The Epethite given unto them : 4. The manner how the same is to be done . Of all these briefly ; and then we will search out that Anguem in Herbâ , that quoddam latens , or misticall doctrine , which is found in this example , by those only of that faction ; and so we shall see how suteable this Scripture is , thought not to the text , yet to the purpose ; though not to the doctrine in hand , yet to the cause in hand ; to that great designe which at this time shakes the whole Kingdome ; unto which Scripture it selfe , must be forced to contribute , and to afford ( at least ) some colourable assistance . 1. The people to be destroyed , was the daughter of Babilon : the Chaldeans , ( of whom we had mention before ) that ere while were the rod of God's Anger to punish others ; are now become the objects of his indignation , and must themselves be cast into the fire ( and therefore in their right order M. Marshall did all●adge his two Scriptures . ) Every sinner we see , hath his time of night , as well as of day , in this World : one after another , the Sun did not alway shine upon the Chaldeans ; it went downe at last , and rose no more : and such will be the condition of those , that have now got the strength and Militia of this Kingdome , into their Hands and use it only to the undoing , and destruction of their Brethren ; they will have their turne too , when they have finished Gods will upon us , who have been , and are great sinners against the most High : even as Israell of old were ; and have ( we confesse ) deserved more misery at his hand , then we can feel from theirs ; but our deserts in this kind , they doe no more , ayme to rep●y in their plagueing of us ; then their Paralell the Babilonians did , in their dealings with Israell : it is our conscionable obedience to Gods word , and our Loyalty to our Soveraigne , which they h●te us for ; if we are for God and the King , then Reproach us , Plunder us , Kill us , cannot doe mischiefe enough unto us : but if we will be for them , though for the Divell also ; then will they make much of us . I will not deny , but some of the seduced , ignorant vulgar may haply think , they doe God service in killing us ; for so M Marshall and other their Ministers teach them to believe ; by whose black mouths we also are made more black to their apprehensions , then sin or Satan , hath yet made us : But as I ●aid , there will come a time , when God will remember them , and as ( he here did Babilon ) set others to reward them as they have served us . 2. The executioners of this destruction , were not oppressed Israell , who hath been thus dealt withall , by the Babilonians ; no , their work whereto they were appoynted by the Lord , was to pray for the Babilonians : Ier. 29.7 . and to seek their prosperity , not to dash their Childrens brains against the stones , in requitall of the wrongs received by them ; nor indeed were they any people , that had the denomination , or took to themselves the name of Gods People ; ( as those do whom M. Marshall would have to be stirred up by this example , to act the part of bloudy executioners : ) in a word , they were the Medes and Persians , that were designed by the Almighty , to be the executioners of his wrath upon Babilon ; raised up for that purpose to punish Babilon , as Babilon had been before to punish others . And indeed , you shall seldome finde in Scripture , God imploying his own people , to be instruments of his wrath , against the Heathen Nations , ( unlesse only against such as were bound to live in obedience under them , when they broke out into Rebellion : ) for indeed those whom God intends , to make vessells of mercye hereafter ; he imployes to be instruments of mercy before hand : giving them hearts and spirits to delight only in the workes of mercy : and so doth fit them for their future glory , and these are call'd the men of Gods Heart , for they lye there , they are the men of his love , of his bowels , and being loved of him , they come to be loving like him , even to their Enemies , mercifull as he is mercifull , and kind to the unthankefull and to the Evill . On the other side , God doth imploy the wicked , to be the Instruments of his wrath , who are for this cause call'd Gods sword , Psal. 17.13 . ( as those Babilonians were , while they were executioners of his judgements ) & the men of his hand , indeed he suffers them , by this imployment , to fit themselves to be vessells of wrath hereafter ; the Divell is Gods great Instrument in this kind , and the wicked are his Members , who delight to doe the work of their Father ; even as the Godly being Members of Christ ( that great Instrument , and indeed fountain of mercy , ) do delight to approve themselves like him . And besides the work of Iudgement is calld in Scripture Gods strange worke , not only because , he and his true Children are not so naturally inclined to it , as they are to Mercy ; but also , because he imployes those in it , who are strangers to him : or rather suffers them to take the imployment for a season upon themselves . 3. The Epethite here given unto them , which ( as M. Marshall observes ) is the Title Blessed : Blessed is the man that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us : Blessed is the man that makes Babilon drink the same Cup , which Babilon hath made Gods people to drinke . But in that they are pronounced blessed , t is not to be understood , that by this fact they did declare themselves to be in the state of Blessednesse , much lesse that thereby they should merit divine grace , or life everlasting , ( as those that kill us are promised to doe , by some of the Ministers of M. Marshalls faction , ) or that they should by this their doing the will of God , in a speciall or peculiar manner please God : for 't is well knowne that the M●des and Persians , had as little aime at Gods glory , and as little respect or love to the people of God , ( as such in the execution of this judgement upon their oppressors , as the Babilonians had before in their punishing Moab ; they were driven to doe what they did , only by their Ambition , and desire of rule and greatnesse . But because they did execute the punishment decreed of God , they are promised a good successe , and an happy event in their undertakings ; and many temporall blessings for the same ; which for a season they did enjoy : Even as Iehu who by vocation extraordinary , was imployed to punish the house of Ahab ; though he walked in the wayes of Ieroboam , which were so abhominable in Gods eyes ; yet he enjoyed the Kingdom of Israell for a season : and I doe not doubt but they , who by an ordinary Providence ; ( for extraordinary vocations are out of date in these daies ) are appoynted to fulfill the will of God , in this kind upon sinners , may for a while , enjoy the pleasures of sin , and worldly greatnesse ; which in such undertakings is the only thing , which they usually look after . I call that an ordinary providence , which doth not crosse a Morall precept , as when a Nation or People , by call and direction of their supreame Governour , are stirred up to punish another Nation , unto whom they are in no sort tied in subjection ; thus the Normans were stirred up to punish the sinnes of the former inhabitants of this land , and had the Isle at their disposing for it : so the Medes and Persians had the Empire of Babilon . But 't is no lawfull Providence for Subjects , without the command and expresse warrant of their Soveraign ; to take upon them to punish , either their superiors or their fellow Subjects ; nor doe I know of any blessing so much as temporall , that they have any warrant to promise to themselves for so doing : yet I do not doubt but the Heads of this present bloudy faction inter nos , do promise to themselves this kind of blessednesse by their undertaking ; if they can but kill , slay , and destroy , the King with His Nobility and Gent●y , they may make themselves possessors of their Land and Estates : which ( like the Edomites of old , ) they swallowed up long agoe in their expectations ; and of late ( as 't is reported ) have been so bold as to tender them to sale , ( as if they were already at their sole disposing , ) to the simple vulgar , unto whom they may haply promise more then this too ; even the promises of the life to come also , for a reward of this their bloudy cruelty , which most blasphemously they nickname with the title of Godlinesse . 4. The manner how this Execution is to be done , with great severity , even upon their very Children and sucking babes ; who should be dashed against the stones : which M. Marshall himselfe confesseth , to be so cruell an act , as may make a very Souldiers heart to start : yet doth he enlarge that cruelty , further then the Scripture doth seeme to warrant ; for that neither commandeth nor declareth ; that the same should be done with deliberation ; nor yet approveth of the same , if so done : for in time of Warre and Battell , what is done in heat , may not be done deliberately , without extremity of barbarousnesse and inhumanity ; which God did never allow of to be practiced , by any upon the greatest Enemies of his Church and people . Indeed the words are onely , a Declaration of what Babilon did deserve , for her cruelty against Israell ; whom God indeed had delivered into her hands to punish : but with all , expecting , that in the execution , she should have shewne some mercy as appeares , Esay . 47.6.7 . I was wroth with my people ( saies the Lord ) and gave them into thine hand , and thou didst shew them no mercy , upon the Auntient , thou didst very heavily lay the yoake : yea 't is said , 2. Chron. 37.17 . when they tooke the City Ierusalem , that they had no compassion on the young children , on the maiden , or on the old man , on him that stooped for age . Now the Lord for this had threatned by the Prophet Esay , that Babilon should be repayed in her kind ; some others should doe unto her as she had done to his people : and this word of God , the Church had layed hold on , and from the same doth comfort her selfe , in these words of the Psalme ; promising a prosperous successe to whomsoever they were that God should stirre up to that undertaking . Blessed is he that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us , i.e. God hath an assured judgement , to execute upon Babilon , for her cruelty to us , and therefore whoever shall be imployed in the businesse , shall have the concurrence of Gods assis●ance ; and thereby undoubtedly prevaile against her , and so atteine to that power and dignity over Nations , which Babilon her selfe , that great Empresse of the world doth at this time enjoy . And indeed any one in the Churches condition , ( the King of England his Nobility , Gentry , Ministry , and every faithfull Christian , that by the rebellious Faction , have been cruelly dealt withall , robbed , spoyled and turned out of their possessions , ) may make a like conclusion , for his or for their owne comforts against their Enemies ; since that God doth use to observe the rule of retaliation , in punishing the wicked : He or they may conclude , that God will by one or other , repay their Enemies in their owne Coyne : the spoylers of others , Esay . 33.1 . shall be spoyled themselves , and the treacherous dealers shall be treacherously dealt withall . We know 't is said of the Rebellious Edomit●s , who breath'd out nothing against Israell ( unto whom they ought as being Subjects , to have lived in obedience , ) but kill , slay and destroy , that because they did not hate bloud , therefore bloud should pursue them : and againe , because they dealt treacherously with the Israelites , ( their Lords and Masters ) therefore the men of their Confederacy should deale treacherously with them : and vers. 15 , 16. of Obadiah : as you have done , so shall it be done to you , your reward shall returne upon your owne Head , as you did drinke healths upon my Holy mountaine , ( or where you had nothing to doe , ) to the confusion of my people , ( whose possessions you had usurped to your selves , ) so shall others deale by you : they shall drinke and feast for joy of your destruction : they shall keep it holy day , and count it a great blessing to be rid of such bloudy and treacherous Rebells : yea Saviours and blessed men are they said to be , that should make the wicked Edomites , to drinke of that cup , which they had forced upon others . And thus we have viewed the second Scripture , which M. Marshall alleadgeth to confirme his doctrine ; and have seen the scope of the spirit of God therein ; now let us inquire into M. Marshalls scope , what he would have to be inferred by it , or what he would have those of his side conclude from it ; and apply unto themselves : something it must needs be , or else he should alleadge it to no purpose : and in a word I apprehend his meaning this . That all those who were then his Auditors , togeather with all that did hang or depend upon them , their orders , or directions ; and were at that time preparing to begin a bloudy Warre in this Kingdome ; should apprehend themselves , to be the very people appoynted of God , to revenge his Church upon Babilon ; that is to say , upon all those of their owne Country and Nation , who are not of their owne Faction , ( for under the notion of Babilon they are all to be comprehended , the King , and his Children , the Nobility and Gentry , the Ministers of the Gospell of Iesus Christ , and Christians of all sorts , be they Parents , Brethren , or Kinsfolks , if they differ from themselves in opinion ; ) whom they are to kill , slay , and destroy , both root and branch , old and young , as the Enemies of God , & of his Church : yea and when the elder sort , are cut downe in the fields , or where else they can be found ; then afterward , they must come into their subdued Townes and Cities , and deliberately , take their little ones , upon their speares poynt ; or else by the heeles , and beat out their braines against the walls ; which though it may be thought inhumanity , and barbarousnesse : yet 't is not so : because the worke is , to revenge Gods Church against Babilon : and they shall hereby , for such their zeale and godlinesse , put themselves into the state of blessednesse , and into possession of the promises , concerning the things both of this life , and of that to come : they shall immediately when the worke is done , have the lands and estates of those Delinquent Babilonians conferred upon them , and devided amongst them ; ( and therefore let them be sure to knock their Children on the Head , least afterward they chance to claime the Inheritances of their Fathers : ) And besides that , they shall have Heaven it selfe throwne them into the bargaine : for as one Text ●aies : Cursed is he , that doth Gods worke negligently , Cursed is he , that withholds his hand from bloud : so another Text saies , Blessed are they , that shall serve Babilon , as she hath served Gods people , Blessed is he , that shall take their little ones , and shall dash their braines against the stones : and thus are the Scriptures brought to speake , according to the poynt laid downe : that men are cursed or blessed , as they help or help not the Church of God . This must needs be the use or application , which Mr Marshall would have his friends make to themselves of this Example ; for otherwise it can neither suite to his doctrine , nor yet to his purpose : And to evidence this further ( because I would not be thought in anything by any good people , to mistake M. Marshall ) let but these few insuing particulars be considered of . 1. The time when this Sermon was preached , and this example urged , it was , Feb. 23. 1641. when they were plotting how to quarrell with the King , that so they might begin this unhappy Warre : it was not many monthes after they had welcomed him home from Scotland , with that their ( to give it no worse title ) unkind Remonstrance , which did more then whisper to wisemens hearts their secret intentions : it was a little after that unparalelld affront was offered to His Maj●sty , when he required lawfull Iustice against the five Members : it was about the very time , when the rude and base multitude , were encouraged to abuse the Lords Annoynted ; and by their expressions and behaviours towards Him , to force Him for the safety of his Life and Person , most unwillingly to withdraw himselfe from His Palace at Westminster . It was about the time that they did marke and denominate for Popishly affected , all that did not concurre with themselves , in their unreasonable demands , and Propositions . It was not long before the time , that the King was couzened of His Armes and Ammunition ; and violently robbed , of His Ships and Castless in a word , it was not many months before they did publickly breath forth , most sulphureously in their Declarations , that Antichristian Language of kill , slay and destroy , against all that opposed them in their Rebellious courses : if these and such like particulars , concerning the time of the publication of this Sermon be remembred , it will be easily apprehended what was M. Marshalls meaning . 2. The Persons to whom this doctrine was first preach'd , and afterward ( being put in print ) dispersed : had it been preach'd to the English Army in Ireland ; or after it was printed , had the Copies been sent over by M. Marshall to the Souldiers thither ; it might probably , have been conjectured , that by the Babilonians , he had intended those Irish Papists , who extreamly , had butche●ed and slaughtered the English Protestants in that Kingdome ; and that his aymes had been , to have our Souldiers there ; to revenge the bloud of their Nation and Brethren . But this doctrine and example was urged upon the House of Commons at Westminster , who never intended ( if themselves could helpe ) to leave their fortresse and strong hold of London , to looke into Ireland ; and after its publication , it was sent to Brampton-Bryan-Castle in Hereford-shire , and to Coventry , and Northampton , and to Namptwitch in Cheshire , and to Gloster , and other such like places in England ; whose inhabitants and fighting men , were never intended should be sent into Ireland , to punish the Babilonians there : for there was a new Babell in making at home : themselves did create and denominate a daughter of Babilon , whom they destined also to be destroyed ; and this Sermon ( as a speciall peece , ) was sent about the Countreys to awaken mens spirits to the execution ; ( as have many others of the like nature since that time . ) And what can be imagined to be the intention of that White Member , who hath been so bold with the Black Divell , as publikely to take his Office out of his hand , of flandering and accusing the Brethren : I mean Him , who hath endeavoured in Print , to scandalize and defame by Centuries or Hundreds , those Ministers of Iesus , whom himselfe and his fellowes have persecuted : what could his aymes therein be , but only to make them to be thought Babilonians , and to exasperate the vulgar People and Souldiers , to rob them of their lives , even as himselfe and the rest before had done , of their Lively hoods and maintainance : indeed as their fore-father● , the Heathen persecutors , did deale with the Christians of those times ; they wrapped them up in beasts skins , that so the doggs might be provoked ignorantly to rend and teare them , which otherwise would not have fastned upon them : so doe they now endeavour , by beastly vices and false reports : to obscure the office and graces of Christs Ambassadours , that so the misled , and seduced vulgar , might be exasperated , and encouraged to murder and destroy them . But O our God we will wait for thy salvation , for unto thee we have referred our cause . 3. Consider the Effect which this doctrine of M. Marshall , and those examples by him alleadged to confirme the same , hath wrought in the persons to whom it was preached and sent . Have the men of Westminster , or the Faction there , done any thing ever since , but studied to make good that interpretation ( before expressed ) of M. Marshalls mind ; and like obedient Auditors to regulate their practice according to it ? and those of the common sort , when they have been urged , to shew a warrant for their bloudy and rebelliou● way , they have onely alleadged those two Scriptures , and M. Marshalls interpretation of them in that sence expressed ; which shews plainly they did so understand them ; from whence they have learned to account us , as they call us , Popish doggs , Brats of Babell , friends of Rome , and Lims of Anti-Christ : yea every one that is not for the Parliament ( as they call it , ) they look upon , as on a daughter of Babilon made to be destroyed ; and conceit of themselves , that they should be accur●ed of God , if they should do the work of the Lord negligently ; that is , if they should not behave themselves cruelly towards us : whereas they doubt not of a blessing , if they shall but deale with us , as the Babilonians are to be dealt withall , stock us up both root and branch , that our names may be no longer had in remembrance : yea they are perswaded ( many of them , ) that they doe God most acceptable service , in killing any of us , under that notion . I could give instances of some who have stollen into the Chamber , where some , whom they have taken to be Cavaliers , have been asleep , and shot them dead ; and then gloryed in it , as in a work most acceptable to God : as also I could instance in some of that party , who ( being poysoned with such like doctrines as this of M. Marshall , ) have held , that they ought not in Conscience , to give Quarter to any of the Kings side , nor to take any Quarter from them . Yea farther yet , I could name the partyes , some of whom , have been men of note too , and trust among them : who I am sure do know M. Marshall , and are known of him ; and have well perused this his Sermon , and have his full sence thereof : who have said and protested , that in this their cause ( viz. to promote the same ) they would cut the throate of their own Father and Mother . These three particulars , of time , persons , and effects being thought upon , will sufficiently evidence to any mans heart , M. Marshalls meaning to be as was expressed . But perhaps some will say , what bloudy actions have yet been done , by any of that side , which have not been out done by the Cavaliers ? and where can it be shewn , that they have exercised that cruelty upon little Children ? I answere to the first : that my particular undertakeing is not to enumerate their particular bloudy Actions , 't is too big a task for one man ; yet Mercurius Rusticus , hath spoken somewhat to that purpose , with particular intimation of persons , times , and places ; and more I beleeve the world shall understand hereafter . Nor will I take upon me , to justifie all the Cavaleers , to be free from cruelty : the God of Heaven knowes , my heart hath bled in secret to hear● of some of their carriages in this kind : so contrary to the spirit of Christ , and o● the Gospell , and to the mind and disposition of our gratious King . But this I dare say , they are not by their Ministers so taught , as M. Marshall and his fellowes teach their Auditors : and the truth is , the Cavaleers learne much of their cruelty from them ; for they heare and read how M. Marshall and the rest doe stirre up those on their side , to esteeme of them , and to deale with them : And they thinke , they have as good authority to account in like sort o● them , and to deale accordingly with them : even to reckon of them , as of Babilonians too , and Enemies of Gods Church ; specially because they do so vilifie the Religion of Christ , established amongst us : abusing and destroying the places of Gods worship . And so betwixt the one side and the other , the whole Land ( if this unnaturall Warre continues ) is like to be unpeopled ere long , and to be even drowned with the bloud of her owne natives : let M. Marshall , and those of his side aske their owne Consciences , who is like to answer for it at Gods Tribunall . But further I say the cruelty of the Cavaleers , is not in all respects so high as that of their Enemies , for I beleeve no reasonable man , but will confesse , that 't is better to be killd out right , then to be hackt and hewne about the head and face , and to have their hands cut off , or at least the sinewes of their right armes , all cut in peices deliberately after Quarter promised : to the end they may never be able to fight for their King and Country more ; nor get their ●ivings ; but live most miserable Cripples all their dayes : which is the practice of these cruell and mercilesse men . And whereas 't is said , where hath there been such cruelty acted yet upon Women and Children ? I answer that I could name where in a most savage manner , they have trampled both Women and Children to death under their Horses feet . Perhaps they have not dealt so barborously yet , in places neare to their owne associate Counties ; for feare the spirits of those amongst them , who have not yet quite put of all bowells , should rise against them , and fall off from them . And M. Marshall doth well inferre unto us , that the determinate time of the slaughter of Infants , is not till the Cities and Counties be quite subdued ; but when they shall afterwards come , and with deliberation , look into the places themselves have conquered : then , O then , must the massacre of our tender Infants be , then must they be pricked upon the swords poynt ( to speake in M. Marshalls phrase ) or else , have their braines dashed out against the walls . Indeed should this extreame barbarousnesse be acted sooner , it might be greatly to the weakning of their cause , and therefore M. Marshall , I beleeve is in the right , in setting downe the appoynted time ; which doubtlesse did fall from his pen unawares to himselfe : God did suffer him ( a knowing man in secrets of that nature , ) to hint unto the Kings friends , and Loyall Subjects , what they must expect shall be the portion of them and their posterity , if these men prevaile ; that so they might timely beware of them , and prepare to defend themselves against them . God give us hearts to take a right notice . Amen ▪ But I returne . This being evidently M. Marshalls meaning , that all we who are not of their Faction , must be understood to be Babilon , and therefore to be destroyed , root and branch , our selves and Children . Then also on the other side , ( if the Paralell be perfect , ) M. Marshall yeelds his side , who must doe Execution upon us and upon our Infants , to be the Heathenish Medes and Persians , ( who shed bloud onely to inrich themselves to enlarge their Territories , and to domineere over others : ) they are not the Church or people of God ; for the Church which had been so evilly handled in Babilon , did not undertake to punish her , the Psalme tells us , that her part , was onely to weep , and mourne under her burden : nor indeed ( as was noted before , ) did God ever imploy her to revenge her selfe , Israell was to live in subjection quietly in Babilon , and to pray for the Peace of the Country . This ( I say ) is in speciall to be noted , from M. Marshalls Paralell ; whom he yeelds his Faction to be , if we be Babilon . And then also let us heare call to mind , what we were bid before to remember . Namely , that ere while , when Babilon was on the rising hand ; and to shed the bloud of Moab ; then these men must be Babilon themselves ; and they thought they should be under the Curse , if they did not act her part ; but now Babilons time is come , that her bloud must be let out ; we must be Babilon another while , for they will be in her Coat no longer ; they must still act the part of Executioners ; Good God what Tigers bloud did these men suck ? Well , but since we must be Babilon , and drinke of her cup , yet according to the Scripture alleadged , our punishment ought to be but answerable to our sinne : we should be rewarded , but as we have served Gods people . Now therefore let M. Marshall shew , when and where our gratious King . His Nobles , Gentry , His Reverend Bishops and Learned Clergy , have acted any such bloudy cruelties , against the people & Church of God , that should merit such a retaliation , as M. Marshall hath proportioned out for them ? whose bones have they broken ? whose Children have they murdered ? what barbarousnesse or inhumanity in this kind , have they at any time perpetrated ? nay which of them , ( as M. Marshall himselfe hath here done ) did ever stirre up to the acting of such things ? Hath not this Kingdome been the Asylum , to the persecuted flock of Christ , when they have fled out of all the neighbour Nations ? hath not the Bosome of our Religious Soveraigne , been alwayes open to receive them ? hath not the wing of his Protection been spread to shelter them ? And hath not our envied Nobility and Gentry ; our hated Bishops and now despised Clergy , manifested the tendernesse of their Bowells , in affording reliefe to Forreigners and Strangers , whom they saw in misery ? hath not the blessing of those that were ready to perish , came frequently upon them ? I referr these things , to the testimonies of those thankefull , and humble people , whose spirits have been refreshed with our English Bounty ; And O thou God of Heaven , who knowest the secrets of all hearts and wayes : though thy servants ( who are now persecuted , under the Notion of Babilonians , and turned out of those their possessions , wherein thy hand did place them ) have done nothing for thine afflicted Church and people , but what thine owne mercifull , and loving spirit did provoke them unto ; nor did they give them any other reliefe , then what thy selfe didst first give them to bestow ; so that of thine owne hand they did receive , what they have distributed to thy people ; yet be thou witnesse for them , against their Enemies , remember them concerning these things , and wipe not out , the good deeds which they have done , for the House of God . But perhaps I shall be answered , ( as I have often heard some of that side say ) that the bloud which was shed by the Popish Bishops in Queene Maries dayes , with the approbation of them that sate in the Throne , and of the Nobility and Gentry , is not yet expiated ; and the guilt thereof still runs in the veines of their Posterity ; specially in the Hyerarchy , which together with Monarchy , upholding the same , doth make up the perfect body of Antichrist : now these whom w● oppose being the supporters of and welwillers to the same , are all Antichristian Babilonians , and therefore all the bloud , which their Fore-fathers have shed , is to come upon the Heads of this present Generation , and must be required of the same : this is the Answer , to which I thus reply . Our New state-men , for want of matter to quarrell at , neare at hand can fetch it a great way off . So one of their Learned Ministry ( an Essex man , ) arguing against my selfe , ( maintaining as my duty was , the innocency of my Soveraigne , and the uprightnesse of his cause , ) told me that he thought ( and his thought though it was simply his , yet not solely his , it was a common thought ) that William the Conquerour was an usurper , and so were all his successors , and therefore it was fit , that this King should be called to answer for William the Conquerours sin of usurpation . And to whom must he answer trow ye ? why even to the House of Commons , for they alone are the only Parliament , the representative body of the Kingdome , whom the people choose ; as for the Nobility in the upper House they sit but as private men , for their Barony●s , being called but only by the Kings Writ , and not chosen by the votes of the People : But did William the Conquerour usurpe the Crowne and Diademe of this Realme , from the House of Commons , that King Charles his lawfull successour , must now answer the matter before them , or resigne it unto them ? though 600. years possession might plead somewhat in a case of this nature , yet if any New State-man , or any of their Learned Ministry , can but prove the House of Commons ( as now established , ) to have so much as a bare being , at that that time though but in Embrione : for quietnesse sake , the case may haply be argued with them , and proved too ; that right by Conquest ( unlesse of Rebells ) is no usurpation : But to the businesse in hand . I know well that this impious and unreasonable conceit , that the bloud shed in Queen Maries time , is yet to be expiated ; and that all the sins of the Popish Clergy in former ages , is Chargeable upon the heads of the Bishops in these times , &c. I know I say that this conceit is deeply grounded in the Hearts of many of our factious people : Dr Layton in his Sions plea , some sixteen years agoe , laboured mightily to the working of it , by enumerating up the faults , of all the Popish Bishops that have been in England , specially since the Conquest ; and speaks of them , as if the present Bishops then alive were guilty of the same , and dese●ved punishment for them : and after him some foure years agoe , the Smectymnists : ( all men of M. Marshalls neare acquaintance , ) did bestirre themselves , to the same purpose ; their postscript at the end of their Book , was written to no other end ; then to worke the same beliefe in people , concerning our present Bishops ; they there doe Laytonize up many of the miscarriages of the Popish Bishops , as if they were the faults of ours so endeavouring to imbitter peoples spirits against that Sacred Order , and against all that Reverence either the men or the calling ; as against Antichristian men , and maintainers of the same evills , practiced by men of another Religion , many Hundreds of years before they were borne . But then comes William Pryn with his two volumnes , and speaks over the same thing the third time , with many more words , though with as little Conscience and Honesty as the rest ; and he strikes the matter dead ; for by the mouth of three such witnesses the thing is so established , that people should be worse then Infidells if they believe it not . Now therefore it being so ; the Bishops must be pluckt up root and Branch , and all that approve of them , be they who they will , must ( like welwillers to Babilon as they be ) be cast downe , and rooted out with them , what effusion of bloud soever it cost , for 't is the Lords work against Babilon . And therefore most zealously did a Neighbour of mine ( an Essex teacher too , ) arguing with my self speake , when he said at the begining of this Parliament , ) that it was better , that all the streets in England should run downe with bloud , then that one Bishop or one Ceremony should still remaine . But how impious and unreasonable these conceits be , I hope I need not to men unblinded , use means to discover . How sencelesse is it that men should commit sin , foure or five hundred years before they were borne ; or be guilty of the sins committed by others , of another Religion so long agoe , and deserve punishment for them , though they have disclaimed them , writ against them , and every way opposed them : How absurd is it , that a calling should be sinfull or infectious , save only in respect of sin●ull men executing the same ? If Hyerarchy be Antichrist , or Monarchy , or Superiority , then Antichrist is in Heaven , for there is both Hyerarchy , Monarchy , and Superiority : surely therefore 't is sin and not Prelacy that makes men Antichristian . But to come closer yet to the matter : if the bloud shed in Queen Maries time , must be expiated now with our bloud , and because those that s●te in the Throne , and the Nobles in those times , did consent unto it , therefore their successors now must partake in the suffering . Yet let me start a Question . How if the House of Commons in those daies were consenting to it , as well as others ; what will become of those that succeed them in these times ? I confesse I have heard an Answer to this Objection , out of certain notes taken from a Sermon Preached by Mr I.D. ( an Essex Minister too , ) and it was this : That the Body of the Kingdome ( which is the House of Commons ) did never consent to what was then done , therefore they are free , and are to require this blood at the hands of others , ( perhaps he means they did not of themselves , make an Ordinance , for the doing or for the approving of it : though peradventure they passed the Act or Bill as well as the King or House of Lords , when first propounded , else how could it have had the force of a Law ? ) But then let me aske farther , how shall those on their side scape , who are the Posterity of some notorious great persecutors , ( of Gods Saints in Queen Maries time ? ) I hope they will not deny them , to be their law●ully begotten Children , and derived from the same line , and bloud , whose names and lands they doe inherit ; unlesse their taking part with the present faction , hath expiated their Grand-fathers Guilt , without their sufferings ; I cannot see but their bloud ought to help in the expiation , as well as ours . And then farther yet ; how if some of the forefathers of us , who must be Butchered , were Martyrs in Queen Maries time : and some of them that must murder us , be the Children of those that murdered them , ( as may well be suspected from their similitude of Spirit ? ) is it Iustice , because their Fathers joyned with the Popish Bishops in those daies , to destroy our Fathers , therefore they may joyne with the House of Commons now , to destroy us ? to say the Parliament judgeth so , will not give sufficient satisfaction . But in a word , I returne my reply to that impious and unreasonable conceit , in the words of the Lord written by Ezechiell , Chap. 18.20 . The soule that sinneth it shall dye : the Son shall not beare the iniquity of the Father , neither shall the Father beare the iniquity of the Sonne : the righteousnesse of the righteous shall be upon him ; and the wickednesse of the wicked shall be upon him . But perhaps M. Marshall and his faction will say ; that those whom they have destin'd to destruction , are great sinners also in themselves against God ( without consideration of the iniquity of their Fathers , ) and therefore they deserve as much punishment , as can be inflicted on them . To t●is I answer , 't is most true , we are great sinners , and we cry out with the Church in the Lamentations , Woe unto us , for we have sinned , and for our sins sake our Crowne is fallen : we have grievously transgressed against the Lord , and therefore the breath of our nostrills , the Annoynted of the Lord , hath been taken in the pits , or deceived by the fraudulent pretences of the crafty ; and we thereby hindred from enjoying the pleasing influence of his wonted protection : for our sins against the most high it is , that our Princes and Nobles are not honoured , that many of those who did feed delicately , are driven even to desolation , and that those who were brought up in Scarlet embrace dunghills : for our sinnes sake our Priests sigh , and our Prophets are despised , by meanes of them it is , that our Adversaries are the chiefe , our Enemies prosper , and servants beare rule over us , our sinnes are the cause of all our sorrowes , and although our burden be extreame great , we must confesse with holy Esra , That God hath punished us lesse then our iniquities have deserved . But yet are there not with them , that magnifie themselves against us , that insult over us , that take upon them to destroy us , are there not with them also , even with them , sinnes against the Lord their God ? Solomon saies , there is a Generation that is pure in their owne Eyes , yet are not washed from their filthinesse : were men without sinne as Christ was , they would be like him in conditions , and not bloudy , not cruell , nor yet provoking thereunto : were they the Children of their Heavenly Father , they would surely be like him , mercifull as he is mercifull : nay did they know God or Christ truly , they would never thinke or teach , that to kill men were to doe God service : our Saviour tells us Iosh. 16.2 , 3. The time would come , that some should thinke they doe God service , in killing you ; and gives this reason why they should thinke so : because ( saies he ) they have not knowne the Father for me , qd . though they may boast , that they are the onely people and Children of God , stirred up of him , to rid the world of those they call his enemies ; whom to kill , they shall entitle the work of God , and to helpe the Lord and his Church : but if they did know the true nature , and condition of me and my Father , they would be of another judgement , and farre enough from delighting in sheddin● of blend . I think there is no man but hath cause to believe , tha● the times there prophesied of , are these that we are fallen into : and I wish with my soule that M. Marshall , and all his bloudy facti●n would but s●riously in their coole and retired thoughts , meditate upon that saying of our Saviour . But againe suppose that these men of bloud were without sinne themselves , and we were the only they that have offended , yea suppose we had throughly deserved , at their hands what they have determined against us ; yet Crimine quo parvi caedem potuere mereri ? what offences have our tender Infants done , that they should deserve this intended Butchery ? an satis est jam posse mori , is it ●rime su●ficient that God hath given them a life to loose ; O malé concordes nimiaque cupidine c●eci sanguinis , O cruell Professors , how evilly doe these your conditions , agree with the Gospell which you professe ? How strangely hath the thirst of bloud put out the Eyes both of grace and nature in you ? Here are bella plusquám civilia indeed , Warres worse then Civill , nay more then barbarous ; jusque datum scoleri , and priviledge given to wickednesse under pretence of Godlinesse . O unhappy England , that hast been the Mother of such Mons●ers : Caucasus and Lybia must now give place unto thee . O that I were able to bewaile sufficiently thy present miseries , which thine ungratious Children have brought upon thee , and still do labour to perpetuate in thee , I shall take up only the words of Lucan , a● most proper to thee . Nobilitas cum plebe porit : latéque vagatur Ensis , & a nullo revocatum est pectore ferrum ; Stat cruor in templis multaque rubentia caede Lubrica saxa madent , nulli sua profuit aetas , Non senis extremum piguit vergentibus annis Praecipitâsse diem : nec primo in limine vitae Infantis miseri nascentia rumpere fata . Thy Noble and thy vulgar bloud The cruell sword doth spill , It spares no persons great or good In every place to kill ; Thy sacred Temples are defil'd , With heaps of slaughter'd men , Whose streames of purple gore have spoyl'd The stones , that blush agen . Youth nought avayles from death to free , Nor can age pitty crave ; The gray hair'd Syre must tumbled be With swords into his grave ; The wretched Babe that 's newly sprung From wofull Mothers wombe , Must 'gainst the pikes , or walls be slung , And scarcely deign'd a tombe . And these ( O England ) are the workes of thine owne unnaturall and rebellious Children ; even of those that have been oft intreated , by thy Religious King , to give thee but leave to enjoy thy wonted Happinesse : O what reall obstructions that hindred thy good , might not they most easily have removed , by keeping in the pathes of Christian Loyalty ? what blessings could they have wished from an indulgent Father , which have not been tendred them by the King ? nay how frequently , both by requests and proffers of occasions , hath He even courted them , to tye their Country to themselves , for ever , in love and affections ? How hath Soveraignty stooped below it selfe , for securing the Subjects felicity , offering Bonds ( as it were ) to ingage it selfe even unto captivity : but alasse alasse — Civilia bella , Gesturi , metuunt ne non cum sanguine vincant , these Savage men , having a purpose to wage a Civill Warre , were afraid to prevaile without doing mischiefe , or to conquer without bloud : sed quis furor ô caeci scel●rum ? what strange madnesse to act evill hath seized upon your spirits , O you blind men ? what can you imagine will be the conclusion of these courses ? will Bloud yeeld you benefit ? will Warre afford you wealth ? will that which you make yours by violence , dwell long with you ? Have you no Bowells left in you towards your bleeding Mother , your native Country ? O behold , behold in one place , a wofull Brother stands weeping over his dead Brother , whom himselfe perhaps hath kill'd by your incitements ; in another , see a distraughted Mother tearing her Hayre , and rending her heart , for the Children of her wombe , who by your meanes and setting on , have slaughtred one another , and Rachell-like can receive no comfort , because they are not : see here a loving friend , embalming with teares his friends body , or rather bedewing his Cheeks , because he cannot among those heaps of mangled Corpses discerne or know the body of his friend , that the might so imbalme it : see there many desolate Widdowes , pale and wan , wringing their hands , and continually lamenting , the losse of their dearly beloved Husbands , whom you have exposed to destruction : Behold yonder a raging Father , ( from whom you have violently taken the staffes of his Age , ) ready to send out his soule , after the soules of his Children , murdered by you : O know it , that the Curses of Brothers , Friends , Mothers , and Fathers , Widdowes , and helplesse Children , are all throwne upon you , in the bitternesse of their spirits : and thinke you that Heaven will be ever dull to such motives ? O remember ( I beseech you ) at length remember , and let M. Marshall ( that unhappy instrument of provoking to this unnaturall Warre ) remember too ; that speech of God to Cain , Gen. 4.10 . The voyce of thy Brothers bloud cryes unto me from the Earth ; and no sooner the cry comes , but the curse followes in the next words : now therefore thou art Cursed from the Earth ; and immediatly after , a Vagabond and a Runnagate shalt thou be on the Earth . Or at least let M. Marshall remember his owne doctrine ; that Babilon must drinke of the same cup , that she hath made Gods people to drinke of , And let him consider , that if he and his Faction be found to be Babilon ( according to their bloudy doings or intentions , ) in Gods account : then their little Children , and M. Marshalls among the rest , by some desperate Ruffians , ( whom for his sinne God may permit ) shall be pricked upon speares poynts , or have their braines dashed out against the walls : which barbarousnesse and inhumanity , from his Children , I beseech God in mercy to divert , by giving to him ( their Father ) the grace of true repentance , and a spirit to recant his erroneous and bloudy doctrine . And so I come to his third Scripture , whereupon I shall be but briefe , because in the same , he is not so extravagant as in the two former . It is taken out of Mat. 25. v. 33 , 34 , &c. where the day of Iudgement is described , and the manner of Christs proceeding then . And the thing which M. Marshall noteth thence for his purpose ( as he taketh ) is . That the reward or punishment ( I use his owne words ) shall then be dispensed to all men , as they did or did not , help and succour Gods Church and people in time of need : to the one side , come ye blessed receive the Kingdome prepared for you , for you visited my Church when it was sick ; you gave meat to my Church when it was hungry : you gave my people drinke , when they were thirsty , you took them in , when they were strangers ; you cloathed them when they were naked ; you came to them when they were in Trison ; in as much as you have done it unto these , even unto one of these , you have done it unto me . Let us here observe by the way , before we proceed , that the bl●ssing shall not ( by M. Marshalls own confession ) be pronounced unto them that did put the Church into a destructive sicknesse ; or did persecute those that would have visited her , and used means for her recovery , nor yet to them that took away from the Members thereof , their meat , drink , and cloathing ; which God in his provident goodnesse had bestowed upon them : 't is not said come ye blessed and receive the Kingdome , to them that had turned the Church of God out of her possession ; that had cast the Ministers thereof into Prison ; that did banish , persecute , and Plunder , all that lov'd the Church ; or had sent reliefe unto her in her comfortlesse and starved condition : And therefore upon what grounds Mr Marshalls f●ction can expect , come ye blessed and receive the Kingdome , should be spoken unto them , I cannot see . Indeed their patience will not give them leave , to stay for to receive a Kingdome , till Come ye blessed be pronounced , they will have a Kingdome at their disposall before hand , though it cost the lives of an hundred thousand men ; nor shall Christ need to prepare a Kingdome for them , who contrary to his word : will , ( if they can ) provide one for themselves in this world , which will be more suteable indeed , to their spirit● , then that other can be , which Christ speaks of , and lyes ( indeed ) in a world to come . But to proceed with M. Marshalls quotation : on the other side ( saies he ) Christ shall say , Goe ye cursed . Why are they cursed ? I was hungry and ye gave me no meat , I was thirsty and ye gave me no drinke , I ●as a stranger and ye took me not in , naked and ye clothed me not ; sick and in prison and ye visited me not : verely I say unto you , in as much as ye did it not to one of these little ones ye did it not to me : as if the Lord at the great day , did tak● notice of nothing but what the Carriages of all people have been , to , or against his Church and Children , thus M. Marshall . And indeed he speaks well , at that great day God takes notice of nothing so much , as of the carriages of People to or against his Church and Children : and therefore doubtlesse , if Go ye cursed , shall be said to those that have omitted these duties of Charity to Christ , in his Members ; when he was Hungry , Thirsty , Naked , a Stranger , and a Prisoner : then those that have put Christ into that Condition , that have made him Hungry , Thirsty , Naked , a Stranger , and a Prisoner , shall never scape the Curse : wherefore , let M. Marshall , and all his faction with him , look over his quotation againe , before they make application of it . And let all men else look over it too , before they enter Covenant , to help or assist these men ; for if these shall be found in Gods account to be none of his Church and People , but rather the Enemies , and the ill users of them : and shall for the same have , Goe ye Cursed pronounced upon them ; I doe believe that those who have assisted them , or associated with them ; shall be bound up with them in the same Curse , and still keep them Company . But perhaps , some may here marvaile , that M. Marshall should alleadge a Scripture , which seems so cleerly to ex●lude his own faction ( in regard of their conditions , ) out of the state of blessednesse , and to involve them under so great a Curse . In way of Answer to this , I will tell you , what I have a long time observed in some Ministers , of M. Marshalls faction , and neer acquaintance ; ( though for himselfe I must confesse I never ( unlesse now , ) saw any cause to suspect him guilty thereof ; but before this Rebellion began , I have alwaies and in all things observed and found him , for my part , and thereupon judged him , to be a most Honest , faithfull sincere hearted , plain dealing man , ) but I say I have observed it in some others , that it was their Custome , to Preach most often such doctrines , and to quote such Scriptures , a● those who best knew them , did conceive , were most directly against themselves ; and to propound such lessons , for others learning , a● themselves were farthest from , in their own practice : for example , the most proud of them , would beat most against pride , and presse oftnest the duty of selfe deniall ; the most malitious would preach most against malice , and perswade to the practice of love and charity ; the most covetous would inveigh most bitterly against worldly mindednesse ; and the most Rebellious ( as hath since appeared ) would be most fervent and zealous in Preaching for Passive obedience . Now whether they did hereby think , to hide from the publique , their own dispositions , and to gaine from the world an opinion of being farthest from those vices , which indeed they were most guilty of ; and most addicted unto those vertues , whereto they exhorted others ; or whether they did it , to any better ends or purposes , I leave it at this present , to the Iudge of all secret● to determine . So whether M. Marshall by his quoting this Scripture , doth think to hide the conditions of his faction , from the ignorant vulgar ; who are more apt to judge of the tree by the leaves , then by the fruit : and to think that if men speake and quote Scripture , against Hardheartednesse , Cruelty , Injustice , and wrong doing to Gods Church , though themselves practice the same things ; yet they shall not be accounted transgressors of Gods word , because it will rather be thought , that they to whom these abuses are offered , ( by these Scripture speaking men ; ) are none of Gods Church and people , but of that race or ranke rather , that the Cananites and Amorites were of , whom God commanded his people to root out of their Habitations : I say , whether this was M. Marshalls intention or no , when he alleadged that Scripture , I leave to God●nd his own Conscience to determine : only withall , if his Conscience chance to recoyle upon him , I would have him remember that of the Apostle , Rom. 2.1 . Thou art inexcusable O man , whosoever thou art , that judgest another ( for offering those abuses , or for shewing those neglects to the Church of God , ) to be under the Curse , for wherein thou judgest another , thou condemnest thy selfe , for thou that judgest doest the same things . Yea , but ( indeed ) some will say here lies the difficulty : how shall we know in these distractions , on which ●ide is the Church and People of God ? To resolve this question , I shall note some passages , wherein the conditions of Gods people are hinted to us from this Sermon of M. Marshall , ( from whom I shall never willingly dis●ent , but only where he dissents from Gods truth ; ) and besides , what is of his , may be of more credit with some , then what is proceeding from another man , only first I think these few grounds will be granted by all . 1. That all particulars on both sides are not of the Church and people of God . 2. That God hath been wont to make use of wicked men , to defend and assist his Church , and people : the earth helped the woman , Rev. 12. they may have their ends , and God hath his . 3. That when God doth defend , and restore his Church , by the most notoriously wicked men , or by the most unlikely means ; then is his own arme and hand more visibly apparent in the eyes of the righteous . 4. That some in all Ages , have boasted themselves most to be the Church and People of God , and yet have been none of that true number , witnesse the Pharises , Arrians , Donatists , Papists , Anabaptists , and those that in Ieremies time cryed out the Temple of the Lord , &c. 5. That Hypocrites , who have pretended most holinesse , have of all enemies been the most cruell and deadly , that ever the Church hath had ; as appeares ; by our Saviours continuall Preaching against them , and laying them open , and their bringing him to death . 6. That Christs true Church and People , are indued with his true spirit , are conditioned like him , and do walke in those wayes wherein himselfe did go● before them , this M. Marshall witnesseth pag. 19. 7. That the way which Christ walked , and which his true Church must and doe follow him in ; is set downe plainly in holy Scripture , and not to be taken up from the Traditions or Opinions of men . I hope no man can or will deny the truth of these particulars . Now I shall give three or foure notes of the Church , and people of God , which M. Marshall himselfe doth seem at least to him unto us . 1. The Church and people of God have most commonly been , a distressed and an injured people , a people that have needed help , even of meat , and drinke , and cloathing , a people , that have been like Strangers excluded , and thrust out of their owne possessions , ( as the Lords Annoynted , and many of His faithfull Nobles and Subjects at this time are , ) a people that have been wont to be banished , from their owne homes , or cast into Prisons , ( as the Ministers of the Gospell , and other Christians at this time be , by the Rebellious Faction ) they are a people so darkned with Afflictions , and so obscured with slanders and reproaches ; that the very righteous themselves , ( their owne Brethren ) whose study it is to doe all the good they can to the Saints ; shall not know when they have helped them , as M. Marshall informes us in the 14 Page of his Sermon : when ( saies he ) Christ shall say to them come ye blessed you fed me , you cloathed me , you visited me ; they shall Answer : Lord when saw we thee , hungry , or thirsty , or a strang●r , or naked , or sicke , or in prison , and administred unto thee : M. Marshall al●o in the next Page , doth tell us , that the s●r●●nts of Christ are poor abjects , such as are made the ofscouring of the world : Clouts , ragges , or wispes to scowre withall ( as Ieremy Burroughs in his Book called the Glorious name of God , &c. Page 21. calls and reckons of those that take part with the King . ) In a word the people of God , are such who as they are thrust downe lower in the world , then by right their place is : so t●ey are more lowly in their thoughts then others be : they doe not desire to greaten themselves , with that which belongs to other men ; to get the Militia of Kingdome● , and the Navyes of Nations into their hands ; they doe not use to hu●t Kings , and Princes up and downe in their owne Kingdomes , that they may kill them and destroy them : they use rather , to be those that are hunted and persecuted by others , and thence are called , the persecuted flock of Christ : This I take to be one marke of the true Church and people of God : and M. Marshall ( I hope ) unlesse he will eate his owne words , cannot deny it . 2. The Church and people of God ( as M. Marshall inferres , Pag. 15. & . 16. ) as they account Gods cause theirs ; so like Iehosophat they betake themselves to prayer in the time of their distresses , and seeke help from God : they doe not ( as some of old did , ) send to Aegypt for helpe ; nor ( as some of late have done , ) send to Scotland for assistance : use any indirect or unlawfull me●nes : they dare no● play the Achitophells , or Machivellians , or Devills , to raise up Combustions and Warres in all Nations , to break Peace and unity among Christians , to the end that their own designes may succeed the better at home ; they dare not doe any evill to others , that good may come thereby unto themselves ; nor doe they in any sort allow of that distinction which one of M. Marshalls Auditory did make ( with the approbation doubtlesse of some fellow Members , ) that though evill may not be done to further the private good of any man , yet to further the publique Cause it may . No the People of God dare not be so wise , as to use any meanes , but what they may with confidence from the word , expect Gods blessing upon : for Gods People rest chiefly upon God for helpe : they live by saith , accounting ( as M. Marshall saies ) the Battaile not theirs but Gods , whose cause is united to the cause of his people : when Asaph ( saies M. Marshall ) had laid downe the Churches sufferings , Psal. 74. the pulling down of their Synagogues , the wasting of their Country , the reproach and scorne cast upon them by their enemies , he doth , v. 22. & 23. interest God in all this . From which quotation of M. Marshalls , we may also note for our purpose , ( by the way , ) that the pullers downe of Churches , the wasters of their Country , the casters of reproach and scorne upon their betters , are the Enemies of Gods Church , and people ; and so also of himselfe ; indeed the Psalmist in plain words calls them Gods adversaries . Thine Adversaries roare in the midst o● the Congregations , they set up their Banners for tokens , they breake downe the carved worke in thy Temples with Axes and Hammers , they have set fire upon thine Holy places , and have defiled by casting downe the dwelling place of thy Name ; yea they have said , let us destroy ( kill , slay , and destroy ) them altogether , thus have they burnt up the Synagogues of God in the Land . Now from this place of Scripture so happily quoted by M. Marshall we learne ; that the Authors of such actions or expressions may be concluded to be the Enemie● of Gods Church and people ; yea M. Marshall helpes us in this Collection too , Pag. 18. of his Sermon , where he pronounceth this sent●nce : They must needs be blessed that serve the Church , and he must needs be cursed that deprives it of its dues . And who these are that doe so , I leave to every mans owne observation to determine . 3. The Church and people of God ( as M. Marshall , Pag. 16. inferres unto us ) are they that maintains the good cause ; and ( saies 〈◊〉 ) when Davids cause was good , his adversaries must needs be evill , and then he could foretell , that they should be ashamed , and brought to confusion , cloathed with reproach and dishonour who opposed themselves against him : which indeed fell out accordingly upon all that pack of Rebells and Traitors , that conspired against the Lords Annoynted , to pull him from that honour whereto God had advanced him : Achitophell hang'd himselfe , and a Tree hang'd Absolom , and twenty thousand of their followers , that did associate with them , were slaine in a day : And Sheba afterward who trod in their rebelliou● steppes against the King , had his head severed from his shoulders : and therefore M. Marshall was in the right also , for that particular . And then that we might the better know the good Cause , he gives us two markes of it , which also may be allowed of : the good Cause ( saies he ) which is Gods Cause , is a noble Cause , and a successefull Cause : and therein he speakes right for the King . For The Kings cause is a noble cause , not onely in respect of his Royall selfe whose cause it is , and in respect of those Noble Personages , that are agents in it ; but also because it is not for a trifle , or a thing of no great Consequent , but even for a Crowne , ( which according to Master Marshall's judgement in that place ) doth enoble the cause : the Kings cause sure is for no lesse then for a Crowne , and for to keepe the Dominion of three Kingdomes , which the Lord of Heaven and Earth hath intrusted him withall . He would still hold his Soveraignty onely and immediately from the Lord , but they would have him acknowledge his dependance upon themselves , and if he would but so farre deny God , and debase himselfe as in that manner to worship them , they tell him as one did once our Saviour , ) all the●e will we give thee , or wee 'l make you the most glorious Prince in Christendome ; but the King like a good Tenant maintaines the right of his true and old Landlord the glorious Lord God : therefore his cause is a noble cause , 't is Gods Cause , and saies Master Marshall , 2. Gods cause is a successefull cause ; in the end or finall issue , it will prove so , for a while the malignant Church may prevaile against the good , and an ill cause may have the better ; and then that shall be called good , falix & prosperum scelus virtus voca●ur ; and the good cause failing in the execution will have the denomination of bad : and therefore I beleeve their great Major Crommell was in the right , when he said , if we prevayle our opposers will be acounted the grandest Traitors to the state , that ever were , and be used accordingly ; but if the King prevaile , our undertaking will be judged the most horrid and blacke Rebellion that ever the sunne saw . If therefore we will judge by the event we must suspend our sentence , till all be done ; the good cause , like good men , growes illustrious by degrees , as the sunne shines more and more bright toward the perfect day● : as the waters of Siloe run , so doth Gods helpe often come to his people ; slowly but surely , and though successe of late , hath in some places favoured the Kings Enemies , for the sins sake of us his followers : yet I thinke Master Marshall cannot deny , ( if he doth but remember , ) that the King hath thriven somewhat , since himselfe went downe with the Army towards Nottingham , with this opinion in his heart , and these words in his mouth for the incouragement of his Companions : that the King might fly from place to place for a little while , but there is no remedy , he must yeeld , and come in at last ; he cannot possibly withstand our great forces . And I doubt not ( through the the mercy of our stong , our just , and holy God , ) but in the end Master Marshalls quotation in his 17 pag. from Esa. 44.17 . will be evidenced to be true , no weapon can prosper that is formed against it ( the Kings cause ) and every tongue that rises up in judgement against it , shall be condemned . Fourthly and lastly , we gather from Master Marshall pag. 18. that those who be of the Dragons Army , of the Church malignant that have ( as in pag. 20. ) their names in the Dragons muster booke , are none of the Church or people of God : And herein he speaks most truly also . But how shall we know who they are ? Master Marshall ( like a freind ) helps us in this too , in the same place , viz. the later end of the 18 pag. by his quotation of a Scriptures . The first is Prov. 30.17 . the eye that mocketh at his father , ( and the King is Pater Patriae a common or publique father ) or despiseth to obey his Mother , ( the Church of England is our mother , that hath brought us forth to God ) the Ravens of the valley shall picke it out ; that is , ( as if he had said , ) such a one is heire of the curse , as being one of the Church malignant , and none of Gods people . The second Scripture is , Rom. 9.2 , 3. Paul ( saies Master Marshall ) thought it no more then his duty , when he had great heavinesse and continuall sorrow in his heart , and could wish himselfe accursed from Christ , for the good of his brethren , his Kinsmen , who were Israelites : whence we gather that they who are so farre from thinking i● their duty to be so affected as Saint Paul was , for the welfare of their brethren and Countrimen ; that they thinke it their duty rather , and make it their endeavour to destroy the same ; are directly of the Dragons Army : And these are they , who have set their Countrimen and Brethren in a most bloudy Combustion against each other ; and have forced upon them most accursed oathes , to the ruine of their soules for ever . For I verily beleeve , that let i● be well considered , it well be yeilded , that their Horrid Covenant , which they have inforced , and ( as they say ) now made it death to fall from ; is virtually as true , and as perfect a God damne me , as ever proce●ded verbally from the mouth of the most dissolute Cavali●r . But againe , Master Marshall be freinds us farther , by hinting to us another marke , of one that belongs to the Dragons Army , pag. 19. towards the end thereof , where he saies , that Gods spirit dwelling in all his Saints , ( i.e. in all that belong to Christs Army ) works the same spirituall disposition in them : namely , as was in Christ their Captaine ; and that was a meeke , milde , mercifull , an obedient , patient , and peaceable disposition : from which speech of Master Marshall , it may be inferred by the rule of Contraries , that the Dragons spirit , dwelling in all that belong to his Army , doth worke them to be of his disposition ; and that is , to be bloudy , cruell , barbarous , contentious , rebellious , hating peace , delighting in killing , slaying , and destroying , yea of infants , and ●ucking babe●● therefore when we see or discerne these conditions in any men , we may conclude them to be of those that have their names in the Dragons muster booke . And indeed beside these helpes , which Master Marshall hath afforded to us ; for the discovery of the members of the Church malignant , the Dragons souldiers , himselfe in his first use , pap . 21. very honestly , out of Scripture deciphers them unto us : I 'le give you his very words : He saies , 1. They are such as set themselves , and take councell against the Lord ( his Church ) and against his Anointed ( his King , ) digging as deepe as Hell for Counsell to doe all the mischeife they can . 2. They are such as with Balaam doe what in them lies to Curse for reward , the Children of the most High , ( those of whom God hath said , ye are Gods , ) and for very malice to raile upon them and revile them . 3. They are such as with Edom looke upon the Affliction of Israel , rejoycing over them in the day of their destruction , speaking proudly in the day of their distresse , crying out against Jerusalem ( or the places of Gods worship ) downe with it , downe with it , even to the Ground . 4. They are such as with Amelecke smite the Hindmost of Gods Church , all who are weake and feeble , ( not sparing sucking babes or harmelesse infants ) when they are faint and and weary , loaden already with afflictions , adding sorrowes to their burden ; ( as those who turne women and Children out of doores , when they have taken away their maintenance , and banished or imprisoned the masters of the family . ) 5. They are such as with Sanballat and Tobiah , are greeved , when any are found to doe good ( or to be faithfull in Israel , whom they will punish more then they will an Hundred Knaves , because they are more serviceable to God , and prejudiciall to them then so many . ) and thus they endeavour ( saies Master Marshall ) to hinder the building of Sion ( or of peace , ) and to further the repairing of the walls of Babylon , ( or of Confusion . ) Now all these sorts of men , Master Marshall most truly calls , {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , fighters against God , and saies , 't is the fittest appellation that he knowes for them . And thus Master Marshall hath helped us with markes and tokens to know both the people of God , and the Dragons Army by : And I wish that all people in their secret thoughts would consider of this matter , and of what hath beene noted from Master Marshall's Sermon , and it will easily be suspected on which side those that he pleads for doe militare . And so I end my third Section . SECTION IV. In which is breifely expressed the rest of Master Marshall's Sermon with the explication and rectification of some particular passages therein . ANd now I have done what at first I undertooke , viz. to vindicate the Scriptures of God , ( those three in speciall . Iud. 5.23 . Ier. 48.10 . and Psal. 136.8 , 9. ) from the misapprehensions , misinterpretations , and misapplications , of Master Stephen Marshalls the rest of his Sermon , which is in way of use ; and indeed for the most part more suteable to the duty of the day , then the text it selfe was ; ( being chiefely an exhortation to helpe the Church of God , and to pray ) I shall but breifely pas●e over , for I confesse , taking the Church in the right sence , his words are much unto the purpose . I 'le note onely his Method , tell you summarily what he saies , and here and there put in a word , for explication or rectification , and so conclude with Master Marshall . First , He reproves Newters , pag. 22. whom he likens unto the Samaritanes that feared the Lord and served their Idols , ( as indeed is the fashion of too many amongst us ) feare the King , ( at least say they doe ) and serve the Parliament , ( as they call it : ) But ( as he saies , God will one day say of these , they love not the Lord , so may the King say one day of such , they loved not him : Now Mr Marshall notes well , that his text doth Curse all them who came not out to helpe him , as well as those who came to fight against him . And our Saviour at the last day , will as well denounce ; Goe ye Cursed , against them who gave them not bread , when they were hungry , as against them who plucked their bread away from them , for in this case 't is a certaine rule , He that is not with me , is against me : These Newters , pag. 23. he devides into two sorts : and sayes . 1. Some are Newters out of policy , whom he compares to Zebah and Zalmanah , that would first see what would be the event of the warre , before they discovered themselves ; and to these he hinteth , that if his side prevaile , ( which God forbid , ) they shall be rent with Bryers and Thornes , have their houses beaten downe , and themselves slaine as Zebah and Zalmanah were : ( let such Newters marke that , and give their timely assistance to their Soveraigne . ) 2. Some are Newters out of sloathfulnesse , and carelessenesse ; who are indifferent ( as he saies ) whether the Beare bite the Dogge , or the Dogge bite the Beare , and these he resembles to the men of Iabesh Gilead , who ( when all the Tribes had bound themselves by oath against Benjamin ) would not enter into the Association with the rest : for which ( as he notes ) it cost them deare , even their owne Heart bloud in the Conclusion . But here it must be remembred by the way , that that Association was not against any Soveraigne King , to whom they had sworne Allegiance ; nor against the minde or without the Consent of any such a one ; for indeed ( as yet ) they had none set over them ; but their prime Governours whom they were to obey , did call them unto it : and therefore the case and condition of any amongst us , cannot hold Paralell with theirs , ( as haply Master Marshall would insinuate , ) nor can they justly be terrified thereunto with that example . Then Master Marshall comes to his second use , which is for Exhortation ; to give up our selves to the service of the Church , his motives thereunto are three , from Gods Honour , from our relation unto the Church , and the Churches gaine , and from our owne good , both inward and outward : all which motives may well serve to stirre us to give up our selves to the service of Gods Church , and cause , now managed and maintained by the King our Soveraigne . 1. The Honour of God commands us , for hereby we shall ingage our selves , to maintaine the Act of Gods wisedome , who hath placed the King ( of all other men in the world ) to be his Anointed , and Vicegerent over us . 2. Our relation to the Church requires it , for as we are members of the body , our care must be to defend the Head , and uphold the Body it selfe , which the Enemies endeavour also to dissolve . Master Marshall tells us , ( from the observation of Politicians ) that Common-wealths usually thrive when private Subjects are Common-wealths men : He saies indeed but usually , not alwaies : for I am sure our Common-wealth was never so weakened and broken , as it hath beene of late , since private wealths men , have taken upon them to be Common-wealths men . But I dare say , that the Church hath alwaies best thrived , when private men in their proper spheare have proved themselves good Church men ; and had those amongst us done so , they had doubtlesse prooved better Common-wealths men too , then they are , however they doe conceit of themselves ; both Church and Common Wealth had fared better , had they in publique matters beene lesse busie . 3. Our owne good per●wades us , to give up our selves to the service of the Church , we shall gaine three things by it , inward peace , outward Honours and a great reward , saies Master Marshall . 1. Inward peace , which alwaies is then greatest , when we have done any thing for the benefit of the publique . 2. Honour before God and man , for to have an influence , ( as Master Marshall saies well ) into the welfare of many , is not onely noble , but also Angelicall , yea divine : 't is to imitate God himselfe , who above all things , minds the good of Sion : that is , the peace of his Church . Saint Paul , Rom. 16. commends many , that they laboured much in the Lord i.e. in the waies and workes of the Lord : ( which are waies of obedience and workes of mercy , ) not of rebellion , strife , and cruelty : And Saint Paul gloryed ( as Master Marshall notes ) in this , that he laboured more aboundantly then others ; ( viz. to make peace among men ▪ and to plant the doctrine of faith and patience in men : ) and he saies , he became all things to all men , that he might save some , ( not destroy some , ) no he wished in another place , that they were cut o●f that did so : cut off ▪ not by Master Marshall's bloudy sword : but by Excommunication . 3. A great reward we shall gaine to our selves in this life , Houses and lands an 100 fold , for what we loose , ( saies Master Marshall ) ( perhaps he meanes , out of the estates of others ) and everlasting life beside . But I dare assure everlasting life , if we endeavour in Gods way , and su●ficiency here , at least contentednesse , which is equivalent , and thus much breifely for the motives . After these Master Marshall laies downe directions , how we may be able to doe this service for the Church : and first he shews , what is requisite to fit and prepare us to doe the Church service , and the meanes he laies downe are three : Godlinesse , selfe-deniall , and Love . 1. Men must be Godly : And O that we Ministers on the Kings side , could be meanes to worke this Condition in the hearts and lives of all His Majesties Souldiers : I dare say the service would be better done , and their endeavours would in many places be more speeded with a blessing . 2. Men must deny themselves , not seeke their owne ends , nor proceed in their owne wayes , when once they appeare sinfull in themselves , or to others detrimentall ; I wish Master Marshall ( if he had beene in earnest ) had beene so happy , as to have perswaded all and every of his Honourable Auditory , to the practise of this point , which ( as himselfe affirmeth rightly ) is the A. B. C. in Christs Schoole : But alas the whole nation feeleth to its smart ; that he hath beene as unsuccessefull in teaching this first Lesson , as my selfe and others have beene in pressing of the former , which is a doctrine of an higher forme , and of farther proficiency . 3. Men must love the Church , indeed love will make men labour , and the labour of love is the best labour , and most pleasing unto God . But though our speciall love must be unto the Church , yet we must love others too , even those that yet are enemies to us ; and of a differing opinion from us , yea though yet out of the state of grace it selfe ; and so love them as we may allure them , we must not be bloudy or Cruell to them , Master Marshall I observe speaks 2 or 3 times of love in his Sermon , but it is only of love to the brethren , that is ( as may without breach of Charity be supposed ) to those of his owne side and faction ; as for other men though of the same Nation , perhaps Nature , brethern of the same Parents , they may be set at odds , and tempted to hate or kill each other , ( for such hath beene the practise of some of them , that talke much of love to the brethren , But I affirm● from Gods word ; that our hearts must be seasoned with love unto our enemies , insomuch that we must , after the example of our Saviour , and our Soveraigne , both truly desire , and by our gentlenesse , endeavour their good : and this love as proceeding from a selfe-denying spirit , is of all most acceptable to God , and most serviceable to his Church . After this Master Marshall proceeds in his method to shew what the freinds of the Church thus prepared must do , He saies They must first informe themselves , what the wants of the Church are , and sympathize with them , inquiring wherein they may be helpefull , and then he shews well , that somewhat must be done to God for it , and somewhat must be done from God for it . Somewhat must be done to God for the Church , and that it saies he we must pray for it ; for God hath not promised to do any thing without prayer , but he will do all things by it : and herein ( to the shame of many that pretend themselves for the King , I must needs say , they are most extremely , and most Atheistically defective . His Sacred Majesty , in the piety of his spirit and confidence in God , hath strictly commanded fasting and prayer , yet what is there practiced in many places by many people on that very day , but drinking , and swearing , yea ( and by some that should give better example ) playing at Cards ? How empty are Gods houses , and how full are Alehouses ? But good Lord lay not this sinne to the charge of thine Annoynted , or of those that are truly and conscientiously for him . But hence , hence , it is , that the righteous cause lyeth so long in the Sudds , for did we pray better , our enemies would soone be turned backe , this will I do for you , howbeit I will be sought unto for it by the house of Israel , saith the Lord God . And here by the way Master Marshall exhorted his Auditors unto another good duty ; and that is to prize and esteeme of such , as have the spirit of prayer ; which also is too much neglected , by many , in some of the Kings quarters ; for as Master Marshall saies truly ( to whom I consent : ) to pray is not to read prayers , or to say prayers , or to sing prayers , or barely to conceive and utter prayers ; but 't is a powring out the soule to God , with purity , faithfullnesse ▪ servency , humility and constancy , and those that can thus pray , are ( as he well ) the very Chariots and Horsemen of Israel . But alas , I say , how extremely are such men slighted , and scorned by many amongst us , insomuch that if injuries , or abuses would drive them all , ( as they do too many ) from the Kings side , and from their Allegiance , His Majesty should scarce have one praying man in some of his quarters ; The Rebells by their wicked pretences , have brought Religion into such extreme suspicion , as that many amongst us , who know not themselves what true Piety and Religion meaneth , do thinke it impossible ( as I suppose , ) that any man should be both religious and loyall , : but let Atheists , and prophane men know , that our Loyalty is of a better kind then theirs is , for it is so strengthend by Religion ; that all the injuries and reproaches , which the Rebells , the Divell , and themselves together can heape upon us , or dart against us , shall never be able to enervate , or weaken it in us : but I returne to Master Marshall , who sayes . 2ly . Somewhat also must be done from God for the Church , and that is , we must imploy all the gifts and talents which God hath given us in the Churches service , they are given us for that end , to profit the Church withall . 1 Cor. 12.7 . and therefore as good stewards of the manifold guifts and graces of God , we must dispense them . Most true ; hath God given men wisedome , strength or wealth , why all these , and what ever else they have , that may in any thing be availeable , they are bound as they will answer it to God , at the dreadfull day of Judgement , to imploy at this present , in the service of their King and Country ; we thinkes every true Englishman should blush to looke upon any thing which himselfe hath , that his Soveraigne wanteth , or that may do him any service ▪ shall I goe into my house , to eate and drinke , and lye with my wife ( saies gallant Vriah ) when the Arke of God , and my Lord Ioab and the servants of my Lord are incamped in open fields ? So me thinke , should every Gentleman , every rich man say , shall I go in Skarlet while my Soveraigne goes in Sackcloth ? shall I be richly clad , while my Soveraigne is meanely attired ? shall I have gold in my Chests while my good Soveraigne wants it to buy food , to put in to his Souldiers bellies ? shall I lye soft and fare well , while my Soveraigne lodges hard and fares ill , yea is hunted up and downe the land , like a Patridge upon the Mountaines , and is robbed of his maintenance ? shall my Soveraigne be in my Saviours condition , and complaine with him , The foxes have holes , and the birds of the aire have nests , but the King of England hath not where to hide his head , and shall I live like that Dives in the Gospell , and care for nothing ? No , farre be such things from me , I had rather begg with my Prince , ( my naturall Leige Lord , ) if God so please : then raigne and domineere with his rebellious Enemies . Thus I say ( me thinke ) we should all even grutch our selves , to fare better then our King , or to enjoy any thing which he wanteth , or to have any thing in our possession which might be serviceable to farther that righteous cause , which His Majesty maintaineth . But once againe to Master Marshall , who now drawes toward the end of his Sermon , which he concludes with an exhortation ( so the margent calls it ) to his Right ▪ Honourable and beloved Auditors : and wisheth that they could heare the Lord himselfe speaking to them in the same language , as once he spake to Cyrus , and truly I wish the same thing with him , for then I hope , they might have beene drawne from that bloudy and sinfull way , which ever since some of them have walked in . For God ( I am sure ) would not have spoken to them as Master Marshall hath done . But instead of exhorting them , he doth fall to commend them you ( saies he ) who have heretofore lived at ease , injoying the delights of the sons of men , have now changed your pleasures for paines , your delights for dangers , your profits and gaines for expen●es &c. if they have ( as he saies ) beene Changelings in these things , I wish they had beene such in nothing else , or done no worse , but alas , they have changed our peace into warre , our happinesse into misery , they have turned the whole Kingdome upside downe , and of a flourishing Country have made it an Acheldama or field of bloud . But Master Mashall goes on , and tells them , such fruit● as yours are not brought forth by every plant ; such plants as you gr●w not on every ground ( no God forbid they should , the world would soone be at an end then ; nor had it stood till this day , if former ages had produced many such . ) But goe ye on , ( saies he ) ye nobles and worthyes , forget what is behind , ( if the worme of Conscience will give them leave ) God and his People will never forget it ( I beleeve they will not , for there is too great cause it should be remembred . ) Get the resolution of Zisca that Brave Bohemian Captaine , who not onely was willing to fight while he lived , but bequeathed his skin when he died , to be made a drumme head for the service of the warre ; ( were we but in possession of such a Legasy from them , there would not be such need of Drummes for these warres and this fighting , ( which we see this Minister stirred them up unto ) would be ended . Be good Shepheards still ( saies he ) to rescue and feed the flocke committed to you , ( they rescue us from peace , and with bloud and blowes they feed us ; ) Be so many Saviours upon mount Sion , ( O that they would , and leave off to be destroyers . ) and to quicken you the more , remember ( saies he ) how much of your golden time you have wasted , with Domitian in catching of flies ; ( How happy had it beene for this Nation , had they still followed that imployment ; ) How much of your estates hath beene spout needlesly , in picture● , feastings , buildings , sportings , if not worse , in riot and disorder ; how much of your strength hath beene bestowed in the service of the world , and the God of it , &c. Thus he goes on , from the remembrance of their evills past , to stirre them up to commit greater : for however he may ( in his present distemper , ) thinke and call it zeale and righteousnesse in them to practice what in effect he exhorts them unto ; yet he will see at the great and terrible day , that God will finde it to be extreame madnesse , and most transcendent wickednesse . He tells them further , that God hath chosen and accepted them , into the most Honourable service that man is capable of , yea into that which he imployed his owne sonne in . If this be true ; then woe unto some of them for their unfaithfulnesse , in not doing the worke for which they were chosen , as Christ taught them by his owne example . It cannot be denied , that Christ brought peace to the earth , and wrought peace on the earth ; he reconciled enemies , made no divisions among freinds , he was called the Peacemaker , but these have beene our Peace-breakers : therefore Master Marshall is deceived , either they were not chosen of God , ( as he saies ) and sent as Christ was , or else of all men , they are the most unfaithfull . In the close of all , Ma●ter Marshall speakes to the rest of his Auditory , and tells them , that they may be call'd to spend their bloud in the Churches cause , ( meaning that which is since called the Parliament cause : ) and he would have them all of that Martyrs minde , who said , if every Haire of his head were a life , he would venture them all . But it was in a way of suffering not of fighting , ( which the Martyr meant ) in a patient submitting to supreame Authority , ( as he then did , ) not in resisting the same ; therefore that saying of the Martyr in this case , ( as Master Marshall would have it understood ) was most impertinent , and the Auditory might be deceived by it . And thus have I now quite done with Master Marshall's Sermon ; what hath beene good therein , I have consented unto , what hath beene dissentive to truth or Godlinesse , or liable to misconstructions , and misapplications , I have endeavoured to discover ; that so the ignorant henceforth may not be so mis●ed by it . I wish I had had the occasion to have done it sooner . And my wishes also are , that some Godly Ministers would , ( for the reducing of simple soules , ) but looke over those Sermons which are preached and printed by those of that faction , and note their errours : for the Scriptures of God are most extreamely perverted , abused , and misapplied by them ; what ever particular Comminations and cursings are threatned therein against any particular Nation , they use to apply , as if they had bin spoken from Heaven Nominatim , against the Kings party : & what ever judgment they read of ( in Gods word ) against any particular King , for any particular or grand sinne ; they will most unjustly , and most undutifully apply it against the Lords Anointed their owne Soveraigne , upon whom also they will cast the same iniquity : and yet all their unjust Calumnies , are not able in the least degree , to darken the brightnesse of his Royall mind , which ( as it alwaies hath beene , ) so still is watered ( even towards them ) with the mildest dews of mercy and moderation . How often have they compared him to Pharaoh , to Saul , to Ahab , yea to Manasses ; when as the world never saw , nor England ever had , a Soveraigne more meeke , more patient , more mercifull , more religious , more fully manifesting the spirit of Jesus Christ , and of the Gospell : indeed were he not so good , they would use him better , were he not so like the Sonne of God in his Conditions , he should not meet with so much of His entertainment in the world . When this unnaturall warre , was but yet in Embryone , the Ministers that looked to be great in that new world or Church ( which was then in hatching , ) were preparing the peoples hearts unto it , and one of my neighbour Preachers in Essex , comes up into the Pulpit with these words for his Text , Esay 30.33 . Tophet is ordained of old , yea for the King it is prepared . and so handled the matter , that all his people , easily perceived , it was only his owne King , whom he thereby would have intended . Another he expounds after his fashion those words Ezek. 21.25 , 26 , 27. And thou prophane wicked Prince of Israel , whose day is come , when iniquity shall have an end , thus saith the Lord , remove the Diadem , and take off the Crowne , this shall not be the same , exalt him that is low , and abase him that is high , I will overturne , overturne , overturne it , and it shall be no more , untill he come whose right it is , and I will give it him . Another he alleadgeth , ( or maketh for his purpose ) that in Ezekiel , where all the feathered foules and beasts , of the field , are called to eate the flesh of the mighty , and to drinke the bloud of Princes and Nobles . And Cursed be he that with holds his hand from bloud was an usuall Text amongst them : and so was that Ier. 46.10 . This is the day o● the Lord of Hosts , a day of vengeance , that he may avenge him of his adversaries , and the sword shall devoure , and it shall be satiate , and made drunke with their bloud . And the very truth is , these very men have beene the cheifest exciters unto , and promoters of this most accursed and unnaturall Rebellion , which worke or imployment of theirs , hath wrought a very Metamorphosis in many of their owne natures and dispositions ; divers whom I have knowne to be ( to my apprehension ) of most milde and compassionate spirits , like Lambs and Sheepe , are now become most savage and bloudy , like Beares and Tigers . This very Master Marshall ( how ever some are pleased to bespot him for some former miscarriages , yet I ( who have knowne him well for to yeares space ) shall ever speake the truth of him , and ) I do assure the world , that before his ingagement in this rebellious and bloudy businesse , as he was a man of most able naturall parts , a most laborious Preacher , successefull in his endeavours , ( God giving him the affections of most men with whom he wa● acquainted , ) and conformable to the orders and discipline of the Church according to his oath of obedience , so was he also a man of an unblameable life and carriage , of a cheerefull and affable disposition , exceeding loving to his freinds , and communicative of any good unto them , very Charitable to those whom he saw in misery , though enemies unto him : in a word his acquaintance was so gratefull , and pleasing , that many Ministers , ( among whom my selfe was one , ) did account it one of our greatest outward blessings that we dwelt neere unto him . But alas , how hath this Rebellion ( like Witch-craft indeed , ) conjured him out of himselfe , and transform'd him into another man , both in his conversing , and in his teaching . 1 , For his conversing ; my selfe had a little experience of it , the last time I had discourse with him , ( at his owne house , ) about the Subject matter , which I writt unto him of afterward , in my booke called the Loyall Subjects Beleife : when as ( indeed ) I found in him so great an alteration , from that wonted mildenesse , and sweetnesse , which I had formerly knowne in him , that I should not have beleeved the same upon the bare report of another man , so tetricke , and waspish , and froward , was he in his arguings , that unlesse I would yeeld to his sayings , and fancies without reasons ; he would dispute no more . 2 , For his teaching ; others even of the common sort of people have observed , that a little before I was driven out of Essex , his fortune was to preach at Brainetree ( a neighbour Towne to me , ) upon a Lecture day : ( where my selfe had lately before preacht obedience to the King , and thereby made divers of my factious Auditors run out of the Church : ) But ( I say Master Marshall coming to repaire the breach , made there such a Sermon to provoke unto the warre , and to assist the Parliament ( as he called it ) that some Godly Christians , ( for there be some such even in Essex that love the King , and are resolved to part with their lives ; rather then to start from that doctrine of obedience unto him , which heretofore they have learned from Master Marshall and others : ) some such I say who had all their dayes highly Honoured Master Marshall , heareing that Sermon of his , were most extremely astonished at it , and came to me with sadded hearts , and weeping eyes , for to bewaile him . Never ( cryed they ) did we expect to heare this from Master Marshall , so contrary to himselfe , his former doctrine and way of Preaching . So that ( alas , ) we see what man is , if God leaves him for a season to himselfe , how unable to stand , or persist in wayes of good , by grace we are saved , by that we are preserved , our whole sufficiency , subsistency , and persistency , is of God , : it was a good Caveat therefore of the Apostle , be not high minded but feare , and it was good advice of His too , to others , that they should follow him , no farther , than he followed Christ ; indeed no examples of good men , must we make our absolute rule for practice , to the law to the testimony ( saies the Prophet ) when they speak not , or walke not , according to that , leave them . There are too many ( I know ) that did depend upon Master Marshalls example , and are fallen with him , for his Apostacy is like the fall of a great Oake , which beares downe much of the underwood with it . I beseech God reduce him , for I thinke his recovery might pull backe as many people from this rebellious way , as any one mans example whatsoever . The Lord open his Eyes and worke upon his Heart . But in the meane time , it is my duty , and so the duty of every faithfull Minister , to detect the wickednesse of that way , which he with others have Apostatized into , and truly I have often thought with my selfe that as these men have beene the Cheife exciters unto , and promoters of this unnaturall Rebellion , so perhaps the Providence of God hath ordered that the discovery of them , must be the meanes to appease the storme , we see fighting doth but increase the fire , happily 't is writeing which may quench the flame : and therefore I wish with my soule , that every conscientious and faithfull Minister , ( where ever he lives ) would make it his sole worke to detect these men , for the recovery of the seduced out of their snares , and to vindicate Gods holy word from their abuses of it . ( And the blessing of God rest upon the spirit , of the Author of that booke , Against Resisting the Lawfull Magistrate under colour of Religion , who hath in the same most learnedly , and religiously vindicated some other texts of Scripture from the misinterpretation and abuses of Master Stephen Marshall in particular . ) Surely we all owe this duty to Christ , and to our King , we must shew our valour and courage in our place and callings , as well as others doe , we in our way as they in theirs , the feare of the prevailing Rebell● in any place , should no whit d●un● us : for if our faith and zeale in the service of our Saviour , ( whose Ministers we are , ) and of our Soveraigne , ( to whom we have sworne Allegiance , ) should be awed with the power or malice of any rising foe ; we should ●hew our selves most unworthy of Christs favour , or of the Kings protection : our daies are all numbred in Gods Holy Booke , and 't is too great a degeneration , both from our Religion , from our Ministry , and from the Nature of true Englishmen , to thinke to purchase a spanne of time at so deare a rate , as for feare of any mortall creatures , in the expence of our Talents , aut Deo , aut patria , aut patri patriae deesse , to be failing in our duties to God , to our King , or to our Country : We , We are they , that are intrusted with Gods Holy truths ; we are they , that must answer it to the Iudge of Heaven and Earth , if by our silence we suffer his Holy Gospell to be scandalized or abused . We have some advantages ( me thinke ) to incourage us , which our Predecessours the Martyrs , and Witnesse-bearers of Christs truth scarce ever had . 1. Never was there so cleare a truth , so ancient , so generally acknowledged by all Christians , in all ages , upon the stage of persecution , as this is which we are called to maintaine : the Doctrine of faith in God , and of Obedience unto Princes ; which alone indeed makes Christians , and Christian Religion , to differ from all other people and Religions in the world ; if we let this Doctrine goe , then farewell the Doctrine of Jesus Christ ; and assuredly , to deprive the land of that , is the thing which the Devill aimes at by these men ; whom he makes his instruments to restore Popery in this Kingdome ; and to heale up those deadly wounds , which the Beast hath formerly received by many of our Reverend Bishops , and grave Divines . 2. Never had any of our Predecessours such Honourable Associates in persecution as we have : our King and Soveraigne , the most illustrious defender of Christs faith , the most Noble and Holy Christian upon the earth , is under the same burden of persecution with us ; for our bloudy Domitians scorne to spend their time onely in hunting small flyes , it is the Royall Eagle whom they spight most , as being He , who hath most of God upon Him : We are but like the Disciples of our Saviour , that suffer for our relation and love to him ; O let us not be like the Disciples in one thing , to forsake our Lord , to fly from him : Since he began to be in his desolate Condition , me thinke I have often ( in my soule ) heard him speaking to us those words of Christ to his Apostles What will you also forsake me ? Well , we have each of us but one life to loose , and we cannot part with it in a more Honourable cause ; wherein we may gaine more glory to God , and credit to our selves . Indeed we must resolve upon this , and looke for it ; to be murdered and martyred by these sanguinarious and bloudy men , ( if they can catch us , ) as our Saviour was by the Pharisees and Saduces of his time , if we do but ( as he did ) stirre against them , in detecting their wickednesse and Hypocrisy ; and the more Holy we be in our lives , and the more faithfull to Christ our Master , and to the King our Soveraigne ; the more extreamely strong will their hatred burne against us , and the more cruelly will they torture and use us : because by our knowne Honesty and sincerity , we doe more detriment to their ungodly way in the eyes of people , then others doe . But we must remember , that we are appointed to suffer , as well as to preach ; and to us is given in the behalfe of Christ , strength to suffer , as well as to beleeve ; and when Saint Paul was called to be a preacher , he was called to be a sufferer ; I will shew him what great things he must suffer for my sake : And if God by our sufferings , shall please to reduce the seduced from the pathes of errour , we may rejoyce therein : if by any meanes we may be instruments to recover soules to Christ , it shall be to our eternall gaine and glory , at the day of reckoning ; We are not our owne , we are bought with a price ; Christ bought us of his Fathers Iustice , ( out of the Devills hands , ) with the price of his bloud ; and to the end , that we by our bloud ( if occasion be , ) might be meanes to redeeme others , out of the hands of his strong ones . Sanguis Martyrum , was semen Ecclesiae of old , and must be so againe . Let these be our thoughts , and ( by Gods g●●ce , ) we shall not feare what men can doe unto us . And now O thou God of Glory : for the Honour of thy great and Reverend Name : ( which thou hast beene wont , above all things to regard ) stand by us , and helpe us against these men , who have defiled thy Temples , pulled downe thy Sanctuaries , persecuted thy Prophets , scandalized thy Go●pell , perverted thy Scriptures , and slandered the footsteps of thine Annoynted , endeavouring to cast Him downe from that excellency whereunto thou hast exalted Him ; and yet do colour all these their ungodly practices , with pretences of Religion , entitleing thine owne Holy selfe unto all their villanies . O our God for thine owne Honours sake , looke downe upon them , as thou didst once upon those builders of Babel , and let not their mischeivous imaginations any longer prosper , but let the wickednesse of these wicked ones come to an end . Great God , and mighty Governour of the world , thy servants do beleeve thy Majesty to be most deepely interessed in this cause of thine Annoynted , thy wisedome did thinke him to be the fittest of all men to be Ruler over us , O maintaine thou the act of thine owne wisedome . Thy spirit hath highly inriched his Royall breast with all Gospellike conditions : O glorifie in the eyes of men the worke of thine owne spirit . Thine Arme hath protected him from many dangers , and thy sole power with small helpe , hath atcheived for him great Victories . O thou that didst never leave any thing unperfect , which thou didst begin to take in hand , perfect thine owne worke for him , resettle him in the Throne of his Kingdom , that thy servants may see it to thy glory . O let not ( good Lo●● ) those Heaven-provoking sinns , which are committed a●ongst us , obstruct or hinder thine assistance of him . O Remember . Remember , the greater and more notorious our evills have beene , the more evidently will it appeare to be the worke of God , when thou shalt bring it to passe . Thy word doth informe us , that it is not for any thing in thy people , that thou dost manifest thy selfe at any time in their behalfe , but onely for thine owne great Name , O therefore for the sake of that , heare us , consider us and helpe us . Thou art the Saviour of thy People , O for that Titles sake leave us not ; for thine owne goodnesse sake , because thou hast beene gracious to us already , be thou thy wonted selfe , still the same . Thou art the Iudge of all the world , and thine eyes are in all places , O for thy Justice sake , when thy servant the King , or any of his faithfull Nobles , and Subjects , ( invocateing thine helpe in secret , ) shall spread before thee , ( as Hezekiah did , ) the blasphemous expressions , reproachfull scandalls , or unreasonable demands , and propositions which are sent unto them , or published against them , and against thy Church , ( by the enemies of our peace , ) then looke thou from Heaven thy dwelling place , and deale with their bold Adversaries , according to thine owne wisedome . Thou hast promised us , that if we will call upon thee , in the time of trouble , thou wilt heare us , and so heare us , that thou wilt give us further occasion to glorifie and praise thee , O for that word and promise sake , wherein thou hast caused us to put our trust , have respect unto us in our Condition , and let the light of thy Countenance be towards us , yea for Jesus Christ his sake who hath taken upon him , to mediate with thy Justice , for the pardon of our sinns , once againe , once againe ( deare Lord ) let this poore English Nation , tast of her lost happinesse , and be comforted with the blessings of Peace and order ; which most foolishly shee hath put away from her selfe . And let thine Annoynted have double joy , for that measure of sorrow he hath endured ; that we his Subjects may againe under his protection , serve thee the living God , & have no more leading into Captivity , no more of this lamentable complaining in our streets . Amen . Amen . Good Lord . Amen . Laus & Gloria , Deo & Christo , Iesu ac adjutori meo . AMEN . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A71091e-1690 Psal. 94.1 . 2. Cor. 1.3 . 1. Pet. 3.9 . Acts. 4.22 . Mark . 3.5 . Ver. 3 , 4 &c. 2. Tim. 2.24.25 . 2. Cor. 5.19 , 20. Hos. 11.4.2.14 . Rom. 7. Exod. 32.10 . — 14. &c. ● . Obser. 2. Obser. 3. Obser. 4. Obser. 5. Obser. Heb. 7.7 . Esa. 16. Vers. 3. Jer. 48.10 . Ezek. 35.6 . Obad. 7. Esra . 9.13 . Luc. lib. 2. Ps. ●6 9. Ezek. 36.37 . 2 Sam. 11.11 . Ez●k. 39.17 , 18. Joh. 7.67 . 1 Thes. 3.3 . P●●l . 1.29 . Act. 9.16 .