The dipper plung'd, or, Thomas Hicks his feigned dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker, proved, an unchristian forgery consisting of self-contradictions, and abuses against the truth, and people called Quakers : wherein Tho. Hicks hath seconded (though in envy exceeded) his brother Henry Grigg, in his babylonish pamphlet, stiled, Light from the sun of righteousness : howbeit, they have both notoriously contradicted themselves, and each other, as is hereby evinced / by G.W.
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           THE
           Dipper
           Plung'd
           OR
           ,
           
             Thomas
             Hicks
          
           his
           Feigned
           Dialogue
           between
           a
           Christian
           and
           a
           Quaker
           ;
           Proved
           ,
           An
           Unchristian
           Forgery
           ,
           Consisting
           Of
           Self-Contradictions
           ,
           and
           Abuses
           against
           the
           Truth
           ,
           and
           People
           called
           QUAKERS
           .
           Wherein
           
             Tho.
             Hicks
          
           hath
           Seconded
           (
           though
           in
           Envy
           Exceeded
           )
           his
           Brother
           
             Henry
             Grigg
          
           ,
           in
           his
           Babylonish
           Pamphlet
           ,
           stiled
           ,
           
             Light
             from
             the
             Sun
             of
             Righteousness
          
           :
           Howbeit
           ,
           they
           have
           both
           Notoriously
           Contradicted
           themselves
           ,
           and
           each
           other
           ,
           as
           is
           hereby
           Evinced
           .
           BY
           
             G.
             W.
          
           
        
         
           Professing
           Themselves
           to
           be
           Wise
           ,
           they
           became
           Fools
           .
        
         
           Rom.
           1.22
           .
        
         
           Printed
           in
           the
           Year
           ,
           1672.
           
        
      
       
         
         
         
           
             Unprejudiced
             Reader
             ;
          
        
         
           WHereas
           
             T.
             Hicks
          
           ,
           reputed
           an
           Eminent
           Brother
           of
           Wil.
           Kiffin's
           ,
           hath
           lately
           divulg'd
           his
           Pamphlet
           (
           which
           we
           have
           been
           Threatned
           with
           for
           a
           considerable
           Time
           before
           )
           stiled
           ,
           
             A
             Dialogue
             between
             a
          
           Christian
           
             and
             a
          
           Quaker
           :
           his
           thereby
           not
           only
           Deceitfully
           feigning
           himself
           a
           Christian
           ,
           but
           falsly
           insinuating
           against
           the
           Quakers
           (
           so
           called
           )
           as
           being
           no
           Christians
           ,
           is
           not
           so
           strange
           or
           uncouth
           a
           Forgery
           (
           since
           the
           Baptists
           Malice
           is
           so
           high
           against
           them
           )
           as
           while
           he
           is
           presenting
           the
           world
           with
           a
           Quaker
           ,
           with
           his
           Method
           and
           manner
           of
           Reasoning
           ;
           he
           is
           only
           a
           Quaker
           of
           his
           own
           making
           and
           forming
           ,
           to
           speak
           as
           he
           pleaseth
           (
           for
           his
           own
           Corrupt
           Ends
           and
           Advantage
           )
           those
           Impertinencies
           and
           Falshoods
           ,
           never
           utter'd
           by
           any
           Real
           
             Quaker
             .
             Tho.
          
           Hicks's
           said
           Dialogue
           is
           a
           meer
           Malicious
           Forgery
           and
           Fiction
           ,
           stuff'd
           with
           Manifest
           Slanders
           and
           Abuses
           ,
           both
           against
           Persons
           and
           Principles
           ;
           perverting
           them
           ,
           and
           their
           words
           :
           In
           many
           things
           ,
           Personating
           the
           Quakers
           with
           his
           own
           Ridiculous
           Falshoods
           &
           Consequences
           ;
           together
           with
           scornful
           Canting
           Language
           ,
           and
           Ridiculous
           Contradictions
           and
           Inconsistencies
           ;
           which
           surely
           will
           add
           no
           Credit
           to
           the
           Baptists
           Cause
           ,
           nor
           Convict
           others
           :
           Whilst
           he
           pretends
           to
           act
           a
           Christian
           and
           a
           Quaker
           as
           opposit
           ,
           he
           Antickly
           Abuses
           Christianity
           ,
           and
           Scoffs
           at
           the
           Light
           and
           Life
           of
           Religion
           ;
           who
           ,
           when
           he
           Scurrilously
           acts
           a
           Quaker
           ,
           he
           himself
           is
           that
           Nonsensical
           Quaker
           ;
           who
           hath
           designedly
           forg'd
           his
           Dialogue
           to
           his
           own
           Fancy
           ,
           so
           as
           not
           to
           puzzle
           himself
           with
           Problemes
           to
           be
           s●ure
           .
           This
           Feign'd
           (
           though
           Out-side
           Dipt
           )
           Christian-Quaker
           ,
           while
           he
           feigns
           his
           Opposer
           ,
           and
           frames
           the
           Contest
           ,
           hee
           'l
           have
           it
           after
           his
           own
           Fashion
           ,
           that
           he
           may
           ,
           with
           Contempt
           and
           
           Insulting
           deal
           with
           all
           Objections
           and
           Questions
           of
           his
           own
           coyning
           :
           How
           deeply
           soever
           this
           man
           be
           Outwardly
           Plung'd
           ,
           hee
           's
           yet
           Unchristened
           ;
           and
           all
           the
           Water
           in
           Thames
           will
           not
           Wash
           his
           Defiled
           Conscience
           .
           But
           for
           these
           Dippers
           ,
           and
           Particular
           Electioners
           ,
           to
           Revile
           and
           Belye
           their
           Neighbours
           in
           Print
           (
           in
           this
           Time
           of
           Liberty
           )
           is
           no
           New
           or
           Strange
           Thing
           ,
           whilst
           (
           upon
           their
           Partial
           Opinion
           of
           Election
           )
           they
           believe
           themselves
           secure
           from
           the
           Reward
           of
           Lyars
           ,
           Rev.
           21.8
           .
           by
           their
           Conceited
           Personal
           Election
           ,
           Unchangeably
           Design'd
           from
           Eternity
           ;
           in
           which
           they
           (
           viz.
           Baptists
           ,
           and
           their
           Followers
           )
           must
           only
           be
           the
           Sharers
           ,
           if
           all
           that
           Oppose
           their
           Dipping
           be
           Accurst
           ;
           according
           to
           their
           old
           Brother
           ,
           Hen.
           Grigg's
           Fatal
           Sentence
           ,
           in
           his
           Book
           against
           his
           Sister
           ,
           p.
           24.
           
           This
           their
           partial
           Conceit
           of
           an
           Eternal
           Personal
           Election
           of
           Themselves
           ,
           and
           of
           but
           very
           Few
           (
           if
           any
           )
           besides
           ;
           and
           Blasphemously
           Imagining
           such
           severe
           Partiality
           against
           God
           ,
           as
           that
           from
           all
           Eternity
           he
           has
           Particularly
           Design'd
           ,
           either
           the
           Reprobation
           ,
           or
           Preterition
           of
           the
           Greatest
           Part
           of
           Mankind
           ,
           thereby
           leaving
           them
           to
           Inevitable
           Destruction
           :
           this
           Sad
           Sentence
           is
           one
           main
           Ground
           of
           these
           Men's
           Inveighing
           so
           eagerly
           against
           the
           General
           Extent
           of
           Saving
           Grace
           to
           all
           Mankind
           ,
           and
           of
           their
           Opposing
           the
           Sufficiency
           of
           the
           True
           Light
           in
           all
           men
           ,
           which
           God
           hath
           freely
           given
           them
           :
           But
           how
           Consistent
           they
           are
           in
           their
           Work
           herein
           ,
           I
           refer
           to
           the
           Impartial
           Reader
           to
           judge
           of
           ,
           in
           what
           ●ollows
           in
           Tho.
           Hicks's
           own
           words
           ,
           Collected
           and
           Cited
           out
           of
           his
           said
           Dialogue
           ,
           and
           briefly
           Animadvertized
           .
        
      
    
     
       
         
         
           
             Thomas
             Hicks
          
           his
           Assertions
           Contradicted
           by
           the
           same
           
             Tho.
             Hicks
          
           himself
           .
        
         
           HE
           pretends
           to
           Query
           ,
           
             Not
             to
             Cavil
             ,
             but
             to
             understand
             the
             Truth
             —
             and
             if
             Demonstrated
             —
             to
             be
             very
             willing
             to
             Subscribe
             to
             it
             ,
          
           page
           2.
           
        
         
           But
           in
           Contradiction
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             All
             I
             intend
             is
             ,
             only
             th●
             Conviction
             and
             Recovery
             ,
          
           p.
           10.
           
           He
           pretends
           the
           Conviction
           of
           Others
           ,
           whilst
           he
           wants
           it
           ,
           and
           is
           to
           seek
           for
           a
           Right
           Understanding
           for
           himself
           .
        
         
           Tho.
           Hicks
           saith
           ,
           
             Notwithstanding
             thy
             most
             Diligent
             Attendance
             to
             the
             Light
             in
             thee
             :
             That
             which
             thou
             call'st
             the
             Light
             in
             thee
             ,
             hath
             in
             many
             things
             Mis●guided
             thee
             ,
          
           p.
           3.
           
        
         
           
             Tho.
             Hicks
          
           in
           Contradiction
           saith
           ,
           
             I
             Appeal
             to
             the
             Light
             in
             thee
             —
             I
             grant
             it
             ought
             to
             be
             Obeyed
             ,
          
           p.
           7.
           
        
         
           Animadversion
           ,
           See
           how
           palpably
           he
           Contradicts
           himself
           ;
           as
           much
           as
           to
           say
           ,
           
             It
             is
             a
             Mis-Guiding
             Light
          
           ;
           and
           yet
           ,
           
             it
             is
             such
          
           (
           a
           True
           Rule
           )
           
             as
             to
             be
             Appealed
             to
             ,
             and
             Obeyed
             .
          
        
         
           T.
           H.
           
             That
             which
             any
             of
             you
             have
             said
             (
             viz.
          
           concerning
           the
           Light
           within
           every
           man
           )
           
             hath
             been
             no
             more
             then
             what
             the
             Apostle
             speaks
             of
             the
             Man
             of
             Sin
             ,
          
           2
           Thes.
           2.9
           .
           
             and
             what
             may
             as
             well
             prove
          
           Mahomet
           
             to
             be
             the
             True
             Christ
             ,
             as
             the
             Light
             in
             you
             ,
          
           p.
           11
           ,
           12.
           
        
         
           T.
           H.
           Contrad
           .
           
             How
             could
             you
             call
             the
             Light
             within
             Christ
             ,
             if
             some
             Scriptures
             had
             not
             mention'd
             Christ
             in
             you
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             is
             the
             Life
             and
             Light
             of
             Men
             ?
             the
             Scriptures
             must
             be
             your
             Rule
             for
             this
             ,
          
           pag
           22.
           
        
         
           Anim.
           Gross
           Contradiction
           :
           I●s
           Blasphemy
           to
           Compare
           Chri●t
           to
           th●
           M●n
           of
           ●in
           ,
           or
           Him
           ,
           or
           his
           Life
           (
           which
           is
           the
           Light
           of
           Men
           )
           to
           Ma●o●et
           .
        
         
           Th●t
           〈◊〉
           Ob●y
           the
           Commands
           of
           the
           Living
           Ete●nal
           Word
           in
           ,
           
           us
           .
           In
           Answer
           to
           this
           
             T.
             Hicks
          
           saith
           ,
           
             It
             s
             no
             other
             then
             a
             meer
             Mystical
             Romance
             ,
          
           p.
           10.
           
        
         
           T.
           H.
           Contrad
           .
           
             It
             will
             be
             our
             Wisdom
             ,
             yea
             ,
             our
             Duty
             ,
             not
             only
             to
             attend
             to
             the
             Light
             Within
             ,
             &c.
          
           p.
           13.
           
        
         
           Anim.
           Thou
           
             T.
             H.
          
           hast
           acted
           the
           Prophane
           Romancer
           ,
           and
           Irreligious
           Miscreant
           against
           the
           Light
           of
           Christ
           Within
           ;
           which
           yet
           thou
           art
           made
           to
           confess
           it
           (
           in
           part
           ,
           at
           least
           )
           our
           Duty
           to
           attend
           to
           it
           .
        
         
           T.
           H.
           
             The
             Scriptures
             are
             the
             Word
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             the
             Rule
             of
             Faith
             ,
          
           pag.
           17.
           
        
         
           T.
           H.
           Contrad
           .
           
             True
             ;
             the
             Sayings
             of
             the
             Devil
             ,
             and
             Wicked
             Men
             ,
             are
             part
             of
             God's
             History
             —
             God
             hath
             ,
             by
             the
             Holy
             Pen-Men
             ,
             given
             us
             this
             Relation
             of
             the
             Words
             of
             the
             Devil
             and
             Wicked
             Men
             ,
          
           p.
           18.
           
        
         
           Anim.
           The
           Word
           of
           God
           and
           the
           Words
           of
           the
           Devil
           are
           not
           the
           same
           ,
           to
           be
           sure
           :
           Christ
           is
           the
           Word
           ;
           the
           Scriptures
           are
           Writings
           ,
           containing
           words
           of
           God
           and
           Holy
           Men.
           
        
         
           T.H.
           
             The
             Word
             of
             God
             (
             the
             Scriptures
             are
             )
             the
             Sword
             of
             the
             Spirit
             ,
          
           p.
           18
           ,
           &
           87.
           
             the
             Rule
             of
             Faith
             and
             Practice
             ,
             to
             Obliege
             your
             Faith
             and
             Practice
             —
             The
             Grounds
             of
             Faith
             and
             Hope
             ,
          
           p.
           19.
           
        
         
           T.
           H.
           Contrad
           .
           
             This
             Rule
             must
             be
             the
             Will
             of
             God
             Revealed
             to
             us
             —
             for
             't
             is
             the
             Will
             of
             God
             which
             is
             the
             Formal
             Reason
             of
             the
             Obligation
             :
             The
             Will
             of
             God
             being
             the
             Ground
             of
             the
             Creation
             of
             Men
             and
             Angels
             ;
             therefore
             ,
             as
             it
             is
             the
             Ground
             of
             their
             Being
             ,
             it
             must
             be
             the
             Rule
             of
             their
             Acting
             ,
          
           p.
           31.
           
        
         
           Anim.
           But
           the
           Scriptures
           were
           neither
           the
           Ground
           of
           the
           Creation
           ,
           nor
           of
           the
           Being
           of
           either
           Men
           or
           Angels
           ;
           but
           the
           Eternal
           Powerful
           Will
           and
           Word
           of
           God
           ,
           which
           Only
           and
           Effectually
           Obligeth
           the
           Soul
           to
           Him.
           
        
         
           T.
           H.
           
             I
             will
             suppose
             thee
             to
             be
             a
             Holy
             Man
             —
             The
             Best
             Thing
             in
             thee
             cannot
             be
             the
             Rule
             ,
          
           p.
           20.
           
        
         
           Answ.
           A
           Gross
           Error
           :
           The
           Spirit
           of
           God
           can
           be
           the
           Rule
           ,
           both
           in
           Power
           ,
           and
           Living
           Instruction
           (
           and
           that
           Above
           the
           Scriptures
           )
           for
           it
           can
           both
           Lead
           into
           all
           Truth
           ,
           and
           bring
           forth
           Living
           Fruits
           ,
           and
           Acceptable
           Duty
           to
           God.
           
        
         
         
           T.
           H.
           
             All
             things
             necessary
             to
             be
             Believed
             and
             Practiced
             ,
             with
             Respect
             to
             Eternal
             Life
             ,
             is
             contained
             in
             these
             Holy
             Scriptures
             ,
             and
             in
             no
             other
             Record
             in
             the
             World
             ,
             either
             without
             ,
             or
             within
             Men
             ,
          
           p.
           20.
           
        
         
           Answ.
           Yet
           thou
           hast
           confest
           ,
           Christ
           in
           you
           ,
           and
           the
           Spirit
           of
           God
           ,
           p.
           21
           ,
           22.
           
           See
           how
           thou
           art
           in
           Confusion
           :
           Christ
           contains
           more
           then
           the
           Scriptures
           ;
           for
           ,
           in
           him
           are
           all
           the
           Hidden
           Treasures
           of
           Wisdom
           and
           Knowledge
           .
           But
           this
           thy
           Undervaluing
           Christ
           ,
           and
           his
           Light
           Within
           ,
           and
           the
           Spirit
           's
           sufficiency
           ,
           is
           plainly
           Contradicted
           in
           what
           follows
           .
        
         
           T.
           H.
           
             Indeed
             ,
             't
             is
             not
             to
             be
             Deny'd
             ,
             but
             that
             Man
             was
             alwayes
             under
             an
             Obligation
             of
             a
             Rule
             ;
             that
             God's
             Soveraignity
             over
             him
             ,
             and
             his
             Inferiority
             unto
             God
             might
             be
             acknowledged
             ,
          
           p.
           31.
           
        
         
           Answ.
           By
           MAN
           ,
           must
           be
           understood
           ,
           Mankind
           in
           general
           ▪
           or
           else
           thou
           Dissemblest
           :
           If
           then
           man
           was
           alwayes
           under
           such
           an
           Obligation
           ,
           God
           hath
           afforded
           that
           Light
           or
           Rule
           to
           all
           Men
           (
           even
           to
           those
           Nations
           that
           have
           not
           the
           Scriptures
           )
           which
           is
           sufficient
           to
           Direct
           them
           to
           himself
           :
           and
           this
           Concession
           destroys
           much
           of
           thy
           Work.
           
        
         
           T.
           H.
           
             That
             of
             God
             in
             my
             Conscience
             is
             not
             sufficient
             ,
             meerly
             of
             it self
             ▪
             to
             Direct
             me
             in
             those
             things
             needful
             to
             be
             Known
             ,
             Believed
             and
             Practiced
             ,
          
           p.
           21.
           
        
         
           T.
           H.
           Contrad
           .
           
             Some
             Scriptures
             mentioned
             ,
             Christ
             in
             you
             ,
          
           p.
           22.
           
        
         
           Anim.
           Is
           not
           Christ
           Sufficient
           ?
           What
           Blasphemous
           Opposition
           against
           Christ
           is
           this
           man
           guilty
           of
           ?
        
      
       
         
           
             THOMAS
             HICKS
          
           his
           Variations
           about
           the
           Scriptures
           and
           the
           Rule
        
         
           He
           varies
           from
           
             the
             Scriptures
             being
             the
             Rule
             of
             Faith
             and
             Practice
             unto
             Christians
             ,
          
           p.
           17
           ▪
           19.
           
           
             The
             Grounds
             of
             our
             Faith
             and
             Hope
             ,
          
           p.
           19.
           (
           which
           the
           Scriptures
           do
           no
           where
           assert
           )
           ▪
           To
           
             the
             Scriptures
          
           ,
           being
           
             a
             Rule
          
           ,
           p.
           17
           ,
           21
           ,
           24.
           
           And
           then
           to
           go
           round
           again
           ,
           
             The
             Mind
             of
             God
             contain'd
             therein
             ,
          
           p.
           20.
           
           
             The
             Will
             of
             God
             manifest
             in
             this
             Written
             Word
             ,
          
           p
           38
           ,
           39.
           
           And
           then
           in
           Flat
           Contradiction
           
           to
           the
           Scriptures
           being
           
             the
             Rule
          
           of
           Faith
           ,
           he
           sayes
           ,
           
             This
             Rule
             must
             be
             the
             Will
             of
             God
             ,
             which
             was
             the
             Ground
             of
             the
             Creation
             and
             Being
             of
             Men
             and
             Angels
             ,
          
           p.
           31.
           
        
         
           Reader
           ,
           What
           Harmony
           can
           be
           found
           in
           this
           Man's
           Scribling
           ?
        
         
           T.
           H.
           
             There
             is
             an
             utter
             Insufficiency
             in
             this
             meer
             Light
             Within
             ,
             to
             Direct
             us
             the
             Right
             Way
             of
             Worshipping
             the
             True
             God
             —
             This
             is
             manifest
             from
             the
             great
             Loss
             ,
             that
             the
             Wisest
             amongst
             the
             Heathen
             have
             been
             ,
             and
             still
             are
             under
             ,
             about
             this
             very
             thing
             ,
          
           p.
           35
           ,
           36.
           
        
         
           T.H.
           Contrad
           .
           
             Christ
             is
             the
             Life
             and
             Light
             of
             Men
             ,
          
           p.
           22.
           
           
             Man
             was
             alwayes
             under
             the
             Obligation
             of
             a
             Rule
             ;
             that
             God's
             Soveraignity
             ,
             and
             his
             Inferiority
             unto
             God
             ,
             might
             be
             Acknowledged
             ,
          
           page
           31.
           as
           before
           .
        
         
           Anim.
           What
           thinkst
           thou
           ,
           
             Will.
             Kiffin
          
           ?
           Doth
           thy
           Brother
           Hicks
           credit
           your
           Cause
           in
           these
           manifest
           Contradictions
           ?
           One
           while
           ,
           to
           charge
           such
           utter
           Insufficiency
           upon
           the
           Light
           Within
           ;
           another
           while
           Christ
           is
           the
           Life
           ,
           and
           Light
           of
           men
           (
           this
           I
           urge
           the
           oftener
           upon
           him
           ,
           that
           he
           and
           his
           Brethren
           may
           see
           his
           Self-contradiction
           )
           Is
           not
           Christ
           ●ufficient
           ?
           And
           why
           must
           the
           Wisest
           of
           the
           Heathen
           be
           Excluded
           from
           the
           Sufficiency
           of
           such
           an
           Obligation
           or
           Rule
           ,
           as
           Man
           was
           always
           under
           ?
           Are
           they
           No
           Men
           ?
           and
           have
           they
           no
           Souls
           to
           be
           Saved
           ?
           or
           ,
           Must
           they
           all
           be
           Damned
           for
           Want
           of
           the
           Scriptures
           (
           who
           have
           them
           not
           )
           if
           they
           improve
           so
           much
           Light
           as
           God
           hath
           given
           them
           ?
           (
           see
           Acts
           10.34
           .
           Rom.
           2.10
           ,
           11.
           )
           This
           is
           not
           yet
           Answer'd
           by
           you
           :
           Though
           the
           Cru●l
           Partiality
           that
           is
           in
           your
           Electionary
           Opinion
           appears
           plainly
           against
           the
           Unive●sal
           Light
           or
           Grace
           of
           God
           to
           Mankind
           ?
           I
           cannot
           but
           believe
           ,
           that
           div●●s
           of
           the
           Heathen
           (
           who
           were
           Sincere
           to
           God
           )
           were
           both
           more
           Morral
           ,
           and
           more
           Pious
           ,
           (
           and
           therefore
           ,
           more
           in
           the
           Life
           of
           Christianity
           )
           then
           many
           of
           you
           Baptist
           Preachers
           are
           .
           Did
           Christ
           Dye
           for
           all
           men
           ?
           or
           ,
           Is
           he
           a
           Propitiation
           for
           the
           Sins
           of
           the
           whole
           World
           ?
           And
           hath
           not
           God
           afforded
           that
           Light
           or
           Grace
           to
           all
           that
           's
           able
           to
           convey
           or
           discover
           the
           Vertue
           of
           his
           Blood
           ,
           and
           Spiritual
           Effects
           of
           his
           Sacrifice
           to
           Mankind
           ?
           How
           Narrow
           and
           Partial
           are
           they
           who
           Deny
           this
           ?
        
         
         
           T.
           H.
           
             What
             Intollerable
             Pride
             and
             Arrogancy
             have
             you
             arived
             to
             ?
             and
             all
             this
             ,
             thy
             following
             the
             Light
             Within
             ;
             improving
             it
             to
             the
             Subverting
             and
             Annihilating
             the
             Covenant
             of
             Grace
             ,
          
           p.
           38.
           
        
         
           H.
           Grigg
           ,
           
             I
             really
             believe
             ,
             That
             the
             Lord
             Jesus
             ,
             as
             the
             Eternal
             Word
             ,
             hath
             given
             Light
             ,
             or
             Enlightened
             all
             Men
             and
             Women
             that
             come
             into
             the
             World
             ,
          
           pag.
           8.
           of
           his
           Book
           ,
           stiled
           ,
           
             Light
             from
             the
             Sun
          
           ▪
        
         
           Anim.
           See
           here
           how
           plainly
           one
           Brother
           Contradicts
           another
           :
           Can
           it
           be
           less
           then
           Blasphemy
           ,
           to
           judge
           ,
           That
           following
           the
           Light
           of
           the
           Eternal
           Word
           doth
           either
           produce
           such
           Pride
           ,
           Subvert
           or
           Annihilate
           the
           Covenant
           of
           Grace
           ?
           Is
           not
           this
           to
           make
           the
           Light
           of
           Christ
           Oppose
           Christ
           ?
        
         
           T.
           H.
           
             Surely
             this
             Light
             ,
             instead
             of
             Directing
             what
             you
             do
             in
             a
             way
             of
             Subserviency
             to
             the
             Ends
             of
             this
             Covenant
             ,
             doth
             directly
             Oppose
             it
             ,
             is
             in
             that
             so
             far
             from
             being
             a
             Sufficient
             Rule
             ,
             that
             it
             ought
             to
             be
             Rejected
             ,
          
           pag.
           38.
           
        
         
           T.
           H.
           Contrad
           .
           
             Yet
             all
             this
             is
             no
             Disparagement
             to
             the
             Light
             Within
             ,
             to
             say
             ,
             That
             God
             doth
             make
             any
             thing
             more
             known
             of
             his
             Will
             ,
             then
             is
             ,
             or
             can
             be
             known
             by
             this
             meer
             Light
             Within
             :
             for
             it
             is
             but
             to
             say
             ,
             that
             Each
             Degree
             of
             Light
             is
             Serviceable
             to
             its
             End
             ,
          
           p.
           36.
           
        
         
           Anim.
           By
           this
           then
           the
           Difference
           is
           only
           about
           the
           Degrees
           of
           the
           Light
           ,
           and
           not
           about
           the
           Nature
           and
           Property
           of
           it
           ;
           and
           then
           ,
           if
           each
           Degree
           be
           Serviceable
           to
           its
           End
           (
           as
           no
           Doubt
           it
           is
           )
           what
           Blasphemous
           Contradiction
           is
           it
           to
           say
           ,
           That
           any
           Degree
           of
           this
           Light
           of
           Christ
           (
           as
           the
           Eternal
           Word
           )
           either
           doth
           directly
           Oppose
           this
           Covenant
           ,
           which
           is
           Christ
           ,
           or
           is
           to
           be
           Rejected
           ?
           Doth
           the
           Light
           of
           Christ
           Oppose
           Christ
           ?
           What
           thinkest
           thou
           ,
           
             William
             Kiffin
          
           ?
           Hath
           not
           thy
           Brother
           Hicks
           shewn
           Intollerable
           Pride
           ,
           Madness
           ,
           and
           his
           Gross
           Darkness
           against
           this
           Light
           Within
           ?
           Canst
           not
           see
           his
           Self-Confutation
           herein
           ?
           Why
           wouldst
           thou
           suffer
           such
           a
           Contradictory
           Pamphlet
           ,
           as
           this
           thy
           Brother's
           Dialogue
           ,
           to
           be
           divulged
           ?
        
         
           H.
           Grigg
           ,
           
             The
             great
             Darkness
             of
             these
             Men
             ,
             who
             cry
             up
             Light
             and
             Power
             Within
             ,
             this
             Wile
             of
             Satan
             ,
             and
             Cheat
             of
             Antichrist
             ,
          
           p.
           31.
           
        
         
         
           T.
           Hicks
           Contrad
           .
           
             I
             acknowledge
             there
             is
             something
             Within
             ,
             that
             Checks
             for
             many
             Evils
             ,
             and
             Excites
             to
             many
             Good
             Things
             ;
             and
             that
             I
             ought
             to
             Shun
             those
             Evils
             ,
             and
             do
             that
             Good
             ,
          
           p.
           8.
           
        
         
           Anim.
           See
           here
           again
           the
           Contradiction
           that
           's
           between
           these
           two
           Brothers
           :
           Can
           that
           be
           a
           Wile
           of
           Satan
           which
           thus
           Checks
           for
           Evil
           and
           Excites
           to
           Good
           ?
           Oh!
           that
           these
           men
           would
           Obey
           it
           ,
           that
           they
           might
           be
           better
           composed
           in
           their
           Minds
           ,
           and
           not
           remain
           in
           this
           Bedlam
           frame
           of
           spirit
           ;
           for
           ,
           as
           yet
           ,
           one
           acts
           the
           Bedlam
           the
           one
           while
           ,
           and
           the
           other
           another
           while
           .
        
         
           T.
           H.
           
             This
             Light
             Within
             directs
             not
             our
             Actions
             to
             those
             Holy
             and
             Spiritual
             Ends
             ,
             which
             the
             Scripture
             doth
             :
             Alas
             !
             whereto
             doth
             the
             Best
             of
             Men's
             Actions
             naturally
             tend
             ,
             but
             to
             Swell
             them
             with
             Pride
             and
             Conceit
             of
             themselves
          
           ?
           p.
           37.
           
        
         
           T.
           H.
           Contrad
           .
           The
           Heathen
           
             in
             many
             things
             ,
             with
             Respect
             to
             Morral
             Goodness
             ,
             there
             was
             something
             Commendable
             in
             them
             —
             The
          
           Jews
           
             had
             a
             Light
             in
             them
             ,
             by
             which
             they
             might
             acknowledge
             God
             ought
             to
             be
             Worshipped
          
           (
           contradicted
           again
           )
           
             yet
             that
             Light
             could
             not
             direct
             them
             how
             that
             Worship
             should
             be
             performed
             ,
             so
             as
             to
             Please
             Him
             ,
          
           pag.
           36
           ,
           37.
           
        
         
           Anim.
           In
           the
           first
           ,
           he
           puts
           Corrupt
           Proud
           Nature
           for
           the
           Light
           ;
           in
           the
           next
           Contradiction
           ,
           the
           Light
           is
           Commendable
           for
           Morral
           Goodness
           ;
           in
           the
           last
           ,
           he
           Opposeth
           the
           Sufficiency
           of
           the
           Living
           Word
           ,
           Good
           Spirit
           ,
           or
           Light
           ,
           which
           was
           given
           to
           the
           Jews
           :
           and
           this
           accuseth
           Moses
           ,
           and
           the
           Prophets
           ,
           with
           directing
           them
           to
           an
           Insufficient
           Light.
           See
           Deut.
           30.14
           .
           Neb.
           9.20
           .
           Isa.
           2.5
           .
           &
           chap.
           63.10
           .
        
         
           T.
           H.
           
             We
             Oppose
             not
             the
             Scriptures
             to
             the
             Holy
             Spirit
             ,
             but
             to
             the
             Light
             Within
          
           p.
           39.
           (
           which
           Opposing
           of
           theirs
           is
           thus
           explained
           ,
           
             The
             Scriptures
             are
             the
             only
             Rule
             of
             Faith
             and
             Practice
             ,
             the
             Light
             Within
             to
             be
             Rejected
             .
          
           )
        
         
           T.
           H.
           Contrad
           .
           
             Neither
             will
             this
             Common
             Light
             rise
             above
             its
             Source
             ,
             Nature
             ,
             Vse
             and
             End
             ;
             wherefore
             Affront
             no
             more
             the
             Grace
             and
             Wisdom
             of
             God
             in
             Superadding
             more
             ,
          
           p.
           37.
           
        
         
           Anim.
           See
           how
           this
           Man
           's
           Plung'd
           !
           One
           while
           he
           is
           setting
           the
           Scriptures
           in
           Opposition
           to
           the
           Light
           Within
           ;
           another
           while
           ,
           
           the
           Degree
           of
           it
           is
           so
           far
           from
           being
           to
           be
           Rejected
           ,
           that
           't
           is
           to
           have
           more
           Added
           to
           :
           which
           granting
           ,
           it
           follows
           ,
           that
           the
           Addition
           of
           more
           must
           come
           through
           the
           Improvement
           of
           the
           Less
           Degree
           ;
           and
           Degrees
           do
           not
           vary
           the
           Nature
           or
           Kind
           .
        
         
           T.
           H.
           
             We
             see
             ,
             that
             the
             Light
             in
             one
             man
             teacheth
             one
             thing
             ,
             and
             the
             Light
             in
             another
             a
             direct
             Contrary
             ;
             so
             that
             there
             can
             be
             no
             certainty
             of
             Truth
             or
             Error
             ,
             Sin
             or
             Duty
             by
             this
             :
             for
             ,
             that
             which
             is
             Sin
             to
             one
             man
             ,
             is
             and
             may
             be
             Duty
             to
             another
             ;
             and
             consequently
             ,
             Sin
             is
             nothing
             ,
          
           page
           42.
           
        
         
           Answ.
           Now
           he
           renders
           the
           Light
           within
           Men
           (
           so
           commended
           before
           )
           as
           no
           Real
           Light
           ,
           but
           as
           Corrupt
           and
           Variable
           as
           the
           Erroneous
           Minds
           of
           Men
           ;
           and
           so
           Blasphemously
           p●ts
           Dark●ess
           for
           Light
           :
           But
           how
           agrees
           this
           with
           his
           saying
           ,
           Christ
           is
           the
           Life
           and
           Light
           of
           Men
           ,
           p.
           22.
           no
           Disparagement
           to
           the
           Light
           Within
           —
           each
           Degree
           of
           Light
           is
           Serviceable
           to
           its
           End
           ,
           p.
           36.
           we
           being
           Accountable
           for
           every
           Dispensation
           of
           Light
           ,
           according
           to
           its
           kind
           ,
           p.
           13.
           
           But
           if
           there
           be
           no
           such
           thing
           ,
           as
           a
           Real
           Light
           ,
           to
           Distinguish
           between
           Sin
           and
           Duty
           ,
           what
           should
           they
           be
           Accountable
           for
           ?
           What
           Atheistical
           Bedlam
           Work
           has
           this
           
             T.
             Hicks
          
           made
           against
           the
           Light
           Within
           !
        
         
           H.
           Grigg
           ,
           
             I
             affirm
             ,
             That
             Jesus
             Christ
             is
             a
             Man
             ,
             consisting
             of
             Flesh
             and
             Bone
             ,
          
           p.
           30
           ,
           31.
           
           Humane
           ,
           p.
           33.
           
        
         
           T.
           Hicks
           Contrad
           .
           
             The
             Son
             took
             Flesh
             upon
             him
             ,
          
           p.
           35.
           
           
             The
             Word
             took
             Flesh
          
           ,
           p.
           47.
           
           
             The
             Father
             did
             prepare
             Him
             a
             Body
             ,
          
           p.
           83.
           
        
         
           Anim.
           There
           's
           no
           small
           difference
           between
           Consisting
           of
           Humane
           Flesh
           and
           Bone
           ,
           and
           his
           T●king
           Flesh
           ,
           or
           having
           a
           Body
           Prepared
           for
           him
           :
           As
           for
           the
           Son
           of
           God
           to
           consist
           of
           such
           a
           Body
           ,
           implies
           .
           He
           was
           not
           before
           that
           Body
           ;
           but
           to
           say
           ,
           the
           Father
           did
           prepare
           him
           a
           Body
           ,
           implies
           ,
           That
           he
           was
           before
           ,
           and
           so
           he
           was
           ,
           and
           is
           Ascended
           Up
           ,
           where
           he
           was
           before
           Glorified
           with
           the
           Father
           ,
           &c.
           John
           6.62
           .
           chap.
           17.5
           .
        
         
           Whilst
           
             T.
             H.
          
           expects
           to
           be
           
             Perfectly
             Freed
             from
             Sin
             in
             Heaven
             after
             Death
             ,
          
           p.
           50.
           and
           yet
           questions
           ,
           
             Whether
             it
             shall
             be
             the
             Priviledge
             of
             any
             on
             this
             side
             Death
          
           ?
           p.
           55.
           
           He
           is
           very
           Uncertain
           in
           
           his
           Opposing
           the
           Doctrine
           of
           Perfection
           ,
           as
           Attainable
           in
           this
           Life
           ;
           to
           be
           sure
           ,
           his
           Sinful
           Course
           here
           is
           not
           the
           Way
           to
           Heaven
           hereafter
           ;
           neither
           doth
           his
           Rehearsal
           of
           Personal
           Mistakes
           ,
           and
           Failings
           in
           Motions
           or
           Actions
           (
           if
           granted
           against
           several
           Persons
           ,
           divers
           of
           whom
           I
           believe
           he
           wrongeth
           ,
           p.
           26
           ,
           27
           ,
           28
           ,
           29
           ,
           52.
           )
           overthrow
           immediate
           Revelation
           ,
           or
           the
           Doctrine
           of
           Perfection
           ;
           nor
           yet
           prove
           the
           Light
           of
           Christ
           within
           so
           Uncertain
           ,
           as
           to
           teach
           one
           man
           one
           thing
           ,
           and
           another
           a
           direct
           contrary
           ;
           nor
           yet
           to
           shew
           no
           certainty
           of
           Truth
           or
           Error
           ,
           Sin
           or
           Duty
           ,
           as
           Erroneously
           he
           represents
           it
           ,
           p.
           42.
           
           As
           it
           is
           his
           Iniquity
           to
           Reflect
           upon
           a
           People
           in
           general
           from
           the
           Failings
           of
           some
           ,
           so
           he
           sheweth
           himself
           a
           Silly
           Logition
           to
           Reflect
           upon
           Principles
           by
           Personal
           Weaknesses
           ;
           though
           this
           is
           his
           kind
           of
           Logick
           ,
           whilst
           he
           sleights
           Revelation
           ,
           and
           for
           an
           Instance
           against
           it
           ,
           tells
           us
           of
           a
           
             Revelation
             that
             came
             from
          
           Paul
           Hobson
           ,
           
             who
             ,
             on
             purpose
             to
             try
             them
             ,
             spake
             through
             a
             Trunk
             yet
             could
             they
             not
             distinguish
             his
             Voice
             from
             the
             Immediate
             Voice
             of
             God
             ,
          
           p.
           27.
           
        
         
           And
           who
           was
           this
           
             Paul
             Hobson
          
           ?
           Was
           he
           not
           an
           Eminent
           Baptist
           Preacher
           ,
           and
           Brother
           of
           these
           Men
           ?
           'T
           is
           true
           ,
           we
           have
           heard
           ,
           that
           he
           served
           a
           Poor
           ,
           Shatter'd
           ,
           Whimsical
           Man
           ,
           as
           his
           Brother
           T.H.
           relates
           ,
           viz.
           
             That
             he
             Feigned
             a
             Voice
             ,
             and
             called
             ,
             as
             from
             God
             ,
             through
             a
             Trunk
          
           ;
           and
           so
           Deceived
           this
           Silly
           Man
           :
           Do
           you
           think
           that
           this
           adds
           any
           thing
           to
           the
           Credit
           of
           the
           Baptists
           Cause
           ,
           thus
           to
           publish
           boastingly
           their
           Brother's
           Wickedness
           ?
           And
           which
           was
           Worse
           ,
           think
           you
           ,
           
             Paul
             Hobson
          
           the
           Deceiver
           ,
           or
           the
           Person
           whom
           he
           Deceived
           ?
           Is
           this
           a
           Valid
           Argument
           against
           Revelation
           ?
           And
           would
           T.H.
           and
           his
           Brother
           
             Will.
             Kiffin
          
           ,
           take
           it
           well
           ,
           if
           I
           should
           make
           their
           Brethren's
           Miscarriages
           ,
           and
           their
           Brother
           
           Hobson's
           said
           Wickedness
           ,
           an
           Argument
           against
           them
           ,
           as
           never
           Called
           of
           God
           either
           to
           Preach
           ,
           Dip
           or
           Plunge
           people
           in
           Water
           ?
           Judge
           ,
           Reader
           ,
           how
           Silly
           they
           are
           in
           these
           their
           Attempts
           and
           Work
           against
           Us.
           
        
      
       
         
         
           Here
           follows
           some
           of
           Thomas
           Hicks's
           Chief
           Assertions
           and
           Phraises
           ,
           viz.
           
        
         
           T.H.
           I.
           
             That
             the
             Light
             in
             every
             man
             is
             a
             Creature
             ,
          
           p.
           6.
           
           
             No
             more
             then
             a
             meer
             Creature
          
           ▪
           p.
           46.
           
        
         
           Answ.
           Contrary
           to
           plain
           Scripture
           ,
           which
           saith
           ,
           In
           him
           was
           Life
           ,
           and
           the
           Life
           was
           the
           Light
           of
           Men
           ,
           John
           1.4
           .
           This
           Life
           and
           Light
           of
           Christ
           is
           Divine
           and
           Increated
           .
        
         
           
             T.
             H.
          
           II.
           
             Jesus
             Christ
             ,
             God
             ,
             Man
             ,
             a
             Person
             without
             thee
             ,
          
           p.
           9.
           
        
         
           Answ.
           This
           is
           not
           Scripture
           Language
           ;
           but
           the
           Anthropomorphites
           and
           Muggletonians
           ,
           who
           profess
           a
           Personal
           God
           ,
           denying
           him
           to
           be
           an
           Infinite
           Spirit
           .
        
         
           T.H.
           III.
           
             The
             Scriptures
             are
             the
             Word
             of
             God
             ,
             the
             Rule
             of
             Faith
             ,
             and
             Practice
             ,
          
           p.
           17.
           
        
         
           Answ.
           Do
           not
           these
           men
           count
           the
           Scriptures
           the
           great
           Rule
           of
           Speaking
           also
           ?
           Then
           by
           what
           Rule
           must
           we
           believe
           that
           the
           Scriptures
           are
           the
           only
           Rule
           of
           Faith
           and
           Practice
           ,
           while
           they
           no
           where
           do
           call
           themselves
           so
           ?
           But
           Christ
           ,
           the
           Word
           ,
           the
           Way
           ,
           the
           Truth
           and
           the
           Life
           ,
           &c.
           whose
           Divine
           Light
           being
           the
           Rule
           of
           the
           Understanding
           ,
           is
           therefore
           the
           Rule
           of
           Faith
           and
           Sound
           Judgment
           ,
           which
           only
           can
           truly
           open
           the
           Scriptures
           ,
           and
           bring
           man
           to
           the
           right
           Use
           and
           End
           of
           them
           .
        
         
           
             T.
             H.
          
           IV.
           
             The
             Bible
             is
             the
             Means
             of
             our
             Knowing
             God
             ,
          
           p.
           41.
           
        
         
           Answ.
           He
           Idolatrously
           sets
           up
           the
           Bible
           in
           the
           place
           of
           Christ
           :
           For
           ,
           no
           man
           knows
           the
           Father
           ,
           but
           the
           Son
           ,
           and
           he
           to
           whom
           the
           Son
           Reveals
           him
           ,
           Mat.
           11.27
           .
        
         
           
             T.
             H.
          
           V.
           
             There
             is
             an
             utter
             insufficiency
             in
             this
             meer
             Light
             Within
             to
             direct
             us
             the
             Right
             Way
             of
             Worshipping
             God
             ;
             this
             is
             manifest
             from
             the
             Great
             Loss
             the
             Wisest
             among
             the
          
           Heathen
           
             have
             been
             ,
             and
             still
             are
             under
             ,
          
           p.
           55
           ,
           56.
           
        
         
         
           Answ.
           Contrary
           to
           plain
           Scripture
           ,
           which
           saith
           ,
           That
           which
           may
           be
           Known
           of
           God
           is
           Manifest
           in
           them
           ;
           and
           even
           as
           they
           liked
           it
           not
           to
           retain
           God
           in
           their
           Knowledge
           ,
           he
           gave
           them
           over
           to
           a
           Reprobate
           Mind
           ,
           Rom.
           1.19
           ,
           20
           ,
           21
           ,
           28.
           and
           see
           Rom.
           2.10
           ,
           11
           ,
           14
           ,
           15
           ,
           16.
           
           Therefore
           had
           those
           Gentiles
           truly
           Obey'd
           and
           Follow'd
           that
           Light
           ,
           and
           improved
           that
           Knowledge
           given
           them
           of
           God
           ,
           they
           had
           been
           preserved
           in
           his
           Way
           and
           Worship
           from
           Reprobation
           and
           Idolatry
           .
        
         
           
             T.
             H.
          
           VI.
           
             The
             Apostles
             ,
             and
             all
             True
             Christians
             ,
             say
             ,
             This
             Body
             of
             Flesh
             and
             Bones
             shall
             Rise
             again
             ,
          
           p.
           59
           ,
           60.
           
        
         
           Answ.
           Where
           do
           the
           Apostles
           say
           these
           words
           in
           Scripture
           ?
           Let
           us
           have
           plain
           Scripture
           Proof
           ;
           or
           else
           ,
           let
           him
           not
           pretend
           the
           Scripture
           to
           be
           his
           Rule
           :
           The
           Apostle's
           words
           are
           ,
           
             Thou
             Fool
             ,
             thou
             sowest
             not
             that
             Body
             that
             shall
             be
             ;
             but
             God
             giveth
             a
             Body
             as
             pleaseth
             him
             ,
             unto
             every
             Seed
             his
             own
          
           (
           or
           proper
           )
           Body
           ,
           1
           Cor.
           15.
           vers
           .
           35
           ,
           36
           ,
           37
           ,
           38
           ,
           40
           ,
           46
           ,
           47
           ,
           48.
           
           And
           the
           Spiritual
           Glorious
           Body
           is
           not
           a
           Carnal
           or
           Natural
           Body
           ,
           any
           more
           then
           the
           Bodies
           Celestial
           are
           Terrestial
           [
           I
           have
           more
           to
           say
           to
           this
           Point
           elsewhere
           ]
           But
           
             T.
             H.
          
           is
           pleased
           to
           pass
           by
           my
           Question
           with
           silence
           ,
           which
           was
           ,
           Whether
           the
           Wheat
           ,
           that
           is
           grown
           up
           in
           the
           Ear
           ,
           be
           the
           very
           same
           that
           was
           sown
           ?
        
         
           
             T.
             H.
          
           VII
           .
           
             This
             cannot
             be
             meant
             of
             a
             New
             Created
             Body
             ,
             because
             such
             a
             Body
             cannot
             be
             said
             to
             be
             either
             Vile
             or
             Changed
             ,
          
           p.
           58.
           
        
         
           Answ.
           A
           strange
           Inconsistency
           ,
           that
           they
           shall
           not
           be
           New
           Created
           Bodies
           ,
           and
           yet
           the
           same
           Carnal
           or
           Terrestial
           Bodies
           of
           all
           (
           how
           many
           Thousand
           soever
           be
           dissolved
           to
           Dust
           )
           should
           rise
           compleat
           without
           a
           New
           Creation
           !
           Man
           was
           formed
           of
           the
           Dust
           of
           the
           Earth
           ;
           What
           ,
           must
           the
           Dust
           of
           Dissolved
           Bodies
           be
           rais'd
           ,
           without
           Creating
           a
           New
           ?
           A
           strange
           Confusion
           and
           gross
           Imagination
           .
           He
           tells
           us
           ,
           
             The
             Apostles
             say
             ,
             This
             Body
             of
             Flesh
             and
             Bones
             shall
             rise
             again
             :
          
           When
           the
           Apostle
           saith
           ,
           Flesh
           and
           Blood
           cannot
           inherit
           the
           Kingdom
           of
           God
           :
           Where
           proves
           he
           then
           that
           Flesh
           and
           Bones
           without
           Blood
           shall
           ?
           But
           if
           it
           cannot
           be
           a
           New
           Created
           Body
           ,
           it
           is
           not
           the
           same
           Carnal
           ,
           Natural
           or
           Terrestial
           Body
           (
           of
           Flesh
           ,
           Blood
           and
           B●ne
           )
           that
           is
           given
           to
           every
           Seed
           ,
           as
           it
           pleaseth
           God
           (
           nor
           is
           that
           Body
           ,
           the
           Seed
           spoken
           of
           ,
           1
           Cor.
           15.38
           .
           
           as
           some
           of
           these
           men
           have
           affirmed
           )
           or
           that
           shall
           inherit
           his
           Kingdom
           :
           but
           a
           Spiritual
           Glorious
           Body
           ,
           such
           as
           is
           the
           Heavenly
           ,
           1
           Cor.
           15.48
           .
           This
           is
           a
           Mystery
           hid
           from
           such
           Carnal
           Sensual
           Men
           as
           
             T.
             H.
          
           who
           cannot
           see
           any
           Eternal
           Advantage
           after
           Death
           ,
           unless
           he
           enjoyes
           it
           in
           this
           his
           Carnal
           Body
           ,
           or
           Earthly
           Tabernacle
           :
           What
           then
           ,
           shall
           the
           Spiritual
           Existencies
           ,
           or
           Sanctified
           Souls
           ,
           reap
           no
           Benefit
           by
           the
           Dissolution
           of
           the
           Earthly
           Tabernacle
           ?
           Or
           is
           he
           of
           the
           mind
           of
           some
           of
           his
           Brethren
           ,
           that
           hold
           the
           Mortality
           of
           the
           Soul
           ,
           that
           it
           Dyeth
           (
           or
           Sleepeth
           in
           the
           Dust
           )
           with
           the
           Body
           ;
           and
           that
           it
           remains
           so
           till
           a
           future
           Day
           ,
           expected
           for
           the
           raising
           up
           of
           both
           :
           But
           we
           are
           not
           of
           their
           Mind
           and
           Opinion
           in
           this
           ,
           but
           that
           there
           is
           an
           Immediate
           Separation
           made
           between
           the
           Soul
           and
           Body
           upon
           Dissolution
           ,
           
           and
           that
           the
           Soul
           is
           Immortal
           ,
           being
           made
           to
           subsist
           in
           Immortallity
           by
           an
           Unchangeable
           Power
           ,
           either
           in
           a
           state
           of
           Felicity
           ,
           or
           Misery
           according
           to
           the
           Image
           that
           it
           did
           bear
           in
           the
           World.
           But
           ,
           
           unless
           you
           come
           (
           in
           the
           Light
           )
           to
           know
           the
           Original
           ,
           Life
           or
           Seed
           in
           the
           Soul
           ,
           which
           is
           Immutable
           :
           you
           can
           neither
           rightly
           know
           your
           own
           Souls
           ,
           
           nor
           the
           two
           contrary
           Spirits
           ,
           Natures
           and
           Images
           ,
           in
           one
           of
           which
           every
           man
           will
           be
           found
           ,
           to
           receive
           his
           due
           Reward
           .
           So
           that
           the
           Soul
           of
           Man
           is
           neither
           God
           ,
           nor
           Christ
           ,
           the
           Saviour
           or
           Redeemer
           (
           as
           falsly
           it
           is
           insinuated
           as
           our
           Principle
           )
           for
           we
           have
           always
           distinguished
           between
           the
           Soul
           ,
           and
           the
           Saviour
           of
           it
           ;
           the
           Soul
           being
           inferior
           to
           that
           Eternal
           Word
           ,
           or
           Power
           ,
           that
           Saves
           it
           :
           see
           my
           Answer
           to
           
             R.
             Gourden
          
           ,
           entituled
           ,
           
             The
             Nature
             of
             Christianity
             ,
             &c.
          
           p.
           15
           ,
           16
           ,
           &
           73.
           in
           which
           T.H.
           his
           Cavil
           ,
           and
           pretended
           Occasion
           against
           us
           is
           fully
           answered
           ,
           and
           taken
           off
           .
           
           And
           as
           Tribulation
           &
           Anguish
           will
           be
           upon
           every
           Soul
           of
           Man
           that
           doth
           Evil
           ,
           Rom.
           2.9
           .
           &
           Isa.
           3.9
           .
           and
           God
           knows
           how
           to
           Reserve
           the
           Unjust
           unto
           the
           Day
           of
           Judgment
           ,
           to
           be
           Punished
           and
           the
           Wicked
           unto
           the
           Day
           of
           Destruction
           .
           So
           they
           who
           truly
           love
           the
           Lord
           God
           with
           all
           their
           Souls
           ,
           and
           continue
           in
           the
           Way
           of
           Righteousness
           ,
           shall
           not
           only
           Cease
           from
           their
           Labours
           
           and
           Travels
           ,
           but
           receive
           and
           eternally
           possess
           this
           Advantage
           ,
           even
           a
           being
           ever
           with
           the
           Lord
           in
           his
           Everlasting
           Kingdom
           of
           Glory
           and
           Triumph
           .
        
         
           So
           we
           are
           still
           of
           the
           Apostles
           mind
           ,
           expecting
           an
           Eternal
           Advantage
           after
           Desolution
           ;
           For
           we
           know
           ,
           that
           if
           our
           Earthly
           House
           of
           this
           Tabernable
           were
           disolved
           ,
           we
           have
           a
           Building
           of
           God
           ,
           a
           House
           not
           made
           with
           Hands
           ,
           Eternal
           ,
           in
           the
           Heavens
           ;
           for
           ,
           in
           this
           we
           groan
           ,
           earnestly
           desiring
           to
           be
           clothed
           upon
           with
           our
           House
           ,
           which
           is
           from
           Heaven
           ,
           2
           Cor.
           5.1
           ,
           2.
           
           For
           me
           to
           Live
           is
           Christ
           ,
           and
           to
           Dye
           is
           Gain
           ,
           Phil.
           1.21
           .
        
         
           Now
           whereas
           
             T.
             Hicks
          
           assumes
           the
           Confidence
           to
           Justifie
           his
           Work
           against
           us
           ,
           call'd
           Quakers
           ,
           as
           being
           
             Conscious
             to
             himself
             ,
             that
             he
             has
             not
             in
             any
             thing
             Mis-represented
             us
             ,
          
           p.
           78.
           
             and
             that
             if
             the
          
           Quakers
           
             return
             him
             that
             Answer
             ,
             that
             they
             are
             Lyes
             and
             Slanders
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             is
             an
             Envious
             and
             Railing
             Man
             ,
             he
             shall
             not
             think
             himself
             concerned
             to
             give
             any
             Reply
             ,
             because
             he
             is
             fully
             satisfied
             ,
             &c.
          
           p.
           90.
           
        
         
           To
           this
           I
           must
           tell
           him
           ,
           Whether
           he
           will
           be
           pleased
           to
           Reply
           or
           no
           ,
           he
           hath
           shewn
           himself
           very
           guilty
           of
           both
           Lyes
           and
           Slanders
           ;
           and
           hath
           as
           plainly
           acted
           the
           Part
           of
           an
           Envious
           and
           Railing
           man
           ,
           as
           ever
           any
           Opposers
           (
           have
           done
           against
           us
           )
           wh●
           profess
           Religion
           ;
           and
           there
           are
           many
           Thousands
           ,
           that
           can
           witness
           against
           him
           for
           these
           his
           Lyes
           and
           Slanders
           against
           us
           ,
           among
           many
           more
           ,
           as
           his
           Accusing
           us
           ,
           viz.
           
        
         
           1.
           
           
             That
             the
          
           Quakers
           
             account
             the
             Blood
             of
             Christ
             no
             more
             then
             an
             Vnholy
             Thing
             ,
          
           p.
           9.
           
        
         
           2.
           
           
             That
             they
             account
             the
             Blood
             of
             Christ
             ,
             which
             was
             shed
             ,
             no
             more
             then
             the
             Blood
             of
             a
             Common
             Thief
             ,
          
           p.
           31.
           
        
         
           3.
           
           He
           represents
           this
           as
           the
           Quakers
           words
           ,
           viz.
           
             That
             we
             make
             use
             of
             the
             Scriptures
             only
             to
             quiet
             and
             stop
             their
             Clamors
             that
             plead
             for
             it
             as
             their
             Rule
             ,
          
           p.
           25.
           
        
         
           4.
           
           That
           Fox
           ,
           Dewsbury
           ,
           Whitehead
           ,
           Crisp
           and
           Penn
           ,
           
             are
             exceedingly
             Corrupt
             in
             Morrals
          
           ,
           p.
           43.
           
        
         
           5.
           
           
             That
             the
          
           Quakers
           
             deny
             the
             Resurrection
             of
             the
             Body
             ,
             and
             all
             future
             and
             distin●t
             Beings
             and
             Existences
             after
             Death
             ,
          
           p.
           53
           ,
           57
           ,
           62.
           
           Because
           they
           say
           ,
           That
           Flesh
           and
           Blood
           cannot
           inherit
           the
           Kingdom
           of
           God
           ,
           p.
           56.
           see
           1
           Cor.
           15.50
           .
        
         
         
           6.
           
           
             That
             the
          
           Quakers
           
             Opinion
             denies
             any
             eternal
             Advantage
             after
             Death
             ,
          
           p.
           75.
           
        
         
           7.
           
           He
           insinuates
           ,
           
             That
             the
          
           Quakers
           
             chief
             Motive
             and
             Inducement
             to
             Suffer
             is
             ,
             the
             Satisfaction
             of
             their
             Wills
             and
             Lusts
             ,
             and
             the
             promoting
             their
             Carnal
             Interests
             ,
          
           p.
           75.
           
        
         
           Answ.
           It
           doth
           very
           Ill
           become
           these
           Baptists
           ,
           thus
           to
           Slander
           and
           Defame
           our
           Sufferings
           ,
           to
           render
           us
           Obnoxious
           to
           the
           Powers
           (
           though
           they
           'll
           be
           of
           little
           Credit
           herein
           )
           knowing
           their
           own
           Cowardliness
           ,
           Creeping
           and
           Sculking
           into
           Corners
           and
           Obscure
           Places
           in
           Suffering-Times
           :
           the
           Fruitlesness
           of
           Coertion
           hath
           not
           been
           manifest
           by
           these
           mens
           Valour
           ;
           though
           now
           when
           they
           have
           gotten
           up
           into
           their
           Pulpits
           and
           Pews
           ,
           they
           are
           not
           content
           with
           their
           own
           Liberties
           ,
           but
           Envy
           us
           in
           ours
           ;
           who
           have
           been
           Instrumental
           to
           stand
           in
           the
           Gap
           ,
           in
           deep
           Sufferings
           ,
           with
           Resignation
           of
           Estates
           and
           Lives
           ,
           and
           yet
           must
           be
           Branded
           by
           
             T.
             Hicks
          
           ,
           as
           Sufferers
           to
           satisfie
           Lusts
           ,
           and
           to
           promote
           Carnal
           Interests
           :
           This
           his
           Malice
           and
           Slander
           is
           so
           apparent
           and
           gross
           ,
           that
           I
           need
           not
           Paraphraise
           much
           upon
           it
           ;
           but
           leave
           it
           to
           God
           ,
           and
           his
           Witness
           in
           all
           to
           judge
           of
           .
        
         
           For
           a
           further
           Answer
           to
           
             T.
             Hicks
          
           ,
           I
           refer
           the
           Reader
           to
           these
           Books
           of
           mine
           ,
           entituled
           as
           followeth
           ,
           viz.
           
        
         
           
             The
             Life
             of
             Christ
             Within
             ,
             &c.
          
           in
           Answer
           to
           
             Will.
             Burnet
             ,
             Baptist
          
        
         
           
             Christ
             Ascended
             above
             the
             Clouds
          
           ;
           in
           Answer
           to
           
             J.
             Newman
             ,
             Bap.
          
           
        
         
           
             The
             Nature
             of
             Christianity
          
           ;
           in
           Answer
           to
           
             R.
             Gourdon
          
           .
        
         
           
             The
             Principal
             Controversies
             ,
             &c.
          
           in
           Answer
           to
           the
           Presbyterians
           of
           Scotland
           .
        
         
           I
           would
           desire
           so
           much
           Reasonableness
           of
           
             Will.
             Kiffin
             ,
             Tho.
             Hicks
             ,
             Hen.
             Grigg
             ,
          
           and
           the
           rest
           of
           their
           Fraternity
           ;
           That
           when
           any
           of
           them
           are
           minded
           to
           write
           against
           the
           Quakers
           ,
           about
           the
           Light
           of
           Christ
           Within
           ,
           &c.
           that
           they
           would
           seriously
           peruse
           and
           exam●ne
           their
           Work
           ,
           and
           endeavour
           better
           to
           compose
           their
           Matter
           ,
           without
           Contradictions
           ;
           that
           if
           they
           come
           ingeniously
           to
           signifie
           the
           good
           Use
           and
           End
           of
           it
           ,
           and
           what
           shall
           be
           the
           End
           of
           all
           that
           improve
           it
           ,
           whether
           they
           have
           the
           Scriptures
           or
           not
           ;
           it
           may
           prevent
           much
           further
           Controversie
           :
           But
           if
           they
           are
           still
           minded
           
           to
           invalidate
           and
           deprave
           the
           Light
           that
           's
           in
           all
           men
           :
           let
           's
           have
           their
           Work
           consistent
           to
           deal
           withal
           ;
           otherwayes
           ,
           by
           their
           Contraditions
           they
           shew
           themselves
           uncertain
           and
           dubious
           ,
           as
           
             T
             Hicks
          
           and
           H.G.
           do
           ;
           one
           while
           affirming
           ,
           that
           
             the
             Light
             within
             every
             man
             is
             a
             Creature
             ,
             and
             Mis-guiding
          
           ;
           another
           while
           ,
           
             Christ
             is
             the
             Life
             and
             Light
             of
             men
             :
          
           One
           while
           ,
           the
           
             Light
             within
             is
             so
             uncertain
             ,
             that
             there
             can
             be
             no
             certainty
             of
             Truth
             or
             Error
             ,
             Sin
             or
             Duty
             by
             it
          
           ;
           another
           while
           ,
           
             It
             Checks
             for
             Evils
             ,
             and
             Excites
             to
             Good
             :
          
           One
           while
           ,
           
             It
             Opposeth
             the
             End
             of
             the
             Covenant
             of
             Grace
             ,
             and
             is
             to
             be
             Rejected
          
           ;
           another
           while
           ,
           
             It
             ought
             to
             be
             improved
             and
             attended
             upon
             ,
             every
             Degree
             of
             the
             Light
             being
             serviceable
             to
             its
             End
             ,
             and
             we
             being
             accountable
             to
             God
             for
             every
             Dispensation
             thereof
             :
          
           One
           while
           they
           count
           it
           ,
           
             A
             Cheat
             of
             Antichrist
             ,
             and
             Wile
             of
             Satan
          
           ;
           another
           while
           ,
           
             It
             is
             the
             Light
             of
             Jesus
             Christ
             ,
             as
             the
             Eternal
             Word
             ,
             Enlightening
             every
             man
             that
             cometh
             into
             the
             World.
          
           Thus
           you
           Baptists
           are
           in
           apparent
           Confusion
           ;
           and
           whilst
           you
           come
           forth
           thus
           Contradictory
           to
           your selves
           ,
           you
           are
           not
           worthy
           to
           be
           regarded
           ,
           otherwise
           then
           men
           in
           Babylon
           ,
           confounded
           (
           which
           may
           be
           lookt
           upon
           as
           a
           Just
           Judgment
           upon
           you
           ,
           for
           your
           Perversness
           and
           Malice
           against
           the
           Truth
           ,
           and
           its
           Children
           )
           you
           being
           Opposing
           ,
           Confuting
           and
           Warring
           against
           your selves
           ,
           while
           you
           think
           to
           Confute
           and
           render
           others
           Odious
           .
        
         
           I
           do
           at
           present
           pass
           by
           divers
           of
           Tho.
           Hicks's
           Personal
           Reflections
           and
           Abuses
           ,
           as
           to
           my
           own
           Particular
           (
           having
           a
           fuller
           Reserve
           against
           him
           ,
           and
           others
           more
           eminent
           among
           them
           and
           their
           Work
           ,
           for
           a
           further
           Occasion
           )
           being
           more
           concerned
           for
           Truth
           and
           Righteousness
           ,
           then
           any
           Personal
           or
           Private
           Interest
           whatsoever
           ;
           knowing
           also
           ,
           that
           Tho.
           Hicks's
           Morosity
           ,
           Passion
           and
           Cholerick
           Humor
           (
           wherein
           his
           Tongue
           is
           at
           Liberty
           )
           renders
           him
           no
           Potent
           Antagonist
           ;
           being
           therein
           apt
           to
           break
           out
           in
           such
           Reviling
           Language
           ,
           and
           Tinker's
           Rhetorick
           ,
           against
           his
           Opposers
           ,
           as
           ,
           You
           'r
           a
           Knave
           ;
           You
           are
           an
           Impudent
           Fellow
           ;
           You
           are
           an
           Audacious
           Fellow
           ;
           A
           Deceitful
           Fellow
           ;
           You
           'r
           a
           Cock's-Comb
           ,
           and
           thus
           to
           divers
           of
           us
           ;
           which
           some
           of
           his
           Brethren
           have
           excused
           as
           his
           
             zeal
             &
             manner
             of
             speaking
          
           ;
           though
           this
           Hypocritical
           Covering
           (
           as
           also
           his
           pretended
           Christianity
           )
           is
           too
           narrow
           to
           hide
           a
           manifest
           Woolf
           ,
           however
           sometimes
           Disguized
           ,
           
           as
           in
           Sheep's
           Habbit
           .
           I
           would
           have
           
             T.
             H.
          
           to
           consider
           ,
           That
           his
           Belief
           of
           being
           an
           Elect
           Person
           ,
           will
           not
           secure
           him
           from
           the
           End
           of
           Railers
           and
           Revilers
           ,
           who
           shall
           not
           inherit
           God's
           Kingdom
           ,
           1
           Cor.
           6.10
           .
           Nor
           from
           the
           Reward
           of
           all
           Lyars
           ,
           which
           is
           the
           Lake
           that
           Burneth
           ,
           &c.
           Rev.
           21.8
           .
        
         
           
             Who
             is
             a
             Wise
             Man
             ,
             and
             indued
             with
             Knowledge
             amongst
             you
             ,
             let
             him
             shew
             out
             of
             a
             Good
             Conversation
             his
             Works
             with
             Meekness
             of
             Wisdom
             .
             But
             if
             ye
             have
             Bitter
             Envying
             and
             Strife
             in
             your
             Hearts
             ,
             Glory
             not
             .
             And
             Lye
             not
             against
             the
             Truth
             ,
          
           
             
               See
               Jam.
            
             3.13
             ,
             14
             ,
             
               to
               the
               end
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               I
               am
               a
               Servant
               of
               Christ
               ,
               and
               Lover
               of
               Souls
               ,
            
             G.
             W.
             
          
           
             London
             ,
             
               the
               12th
               of
               the
               10th
               Moneth
               ,
               1672.
               
            
          
        
         
           THE
           END
           .
        
      
    
     
       
         Notes, typically marginal, from the original text
         
           Notes for div A65861-e2150
           
             
               Luk.
               16.22
               ,
               23.
               
            
             
               1
               King.
               17.21
               .
            
          
           
             Gen.
             2.7
             .
             Wisd.
             15.11
             .
          
           
             Deut.
             4.9
             .
             and
             6.5
             .
             and
             13.3
             .
          
           
             Prov.
             21.10
             .
             Isa.
             66.3
             .