A brief discovery of the dangerous principles of John Horne (a priest in Lin) and Thomas Moore junior both teachers of the people called Mooreians or Manifestarians, (and called by some free-willers or independants.) In answer to their book called A brief discovery of the people called Quakers, and a warning to all people to beware of them and of their dangerous principles, &c. Which book is a false narrative of two disputes, the one which they had with John Whitehead at Gedney in Lincoln-shire, and the other with Geo. Whitehead and Geo. Fox the younger, at Lin in Norfolke, both in the seventh moneth, 1659. Also priest Horns testimony against his brethren the priests. This is to go amonst the professors in England in discovery of the truth; ... By the truth which is in George Whitehead. John Whitehead. George Fox the younger.
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             A brief discovery of the dangerous principles of John Horne (a priest in Lin) and Thomas Moore junior both teachers of the people called Mooreians or Manifestarians, (and called by some free-willers or independants.) In answer to their book called A brief discovery of the people called Quakers, and a warning to all people to beware of them and of their dangerous principles, &c. Which book is a false narrative of two disputes, the one which they had with John Whitehead at Gedney in Lincoln-shire, and the other with Geo. Whitehead and Geo. Fox the younger, at Lin in Norfolke, both in the seventh moneth, 1659. Also priest Horns testimony against his brethren the priests. This is to go amonst the professors in England in discovery of the truth; ... By the truth which is in George Whitehead. John Whitehead. George Fox the younger.
             Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.
             Whitehead, John, 1630-1696. aut
             Fox, George, d. 1661. aut
          
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           Horn, John, 1614-1676. -- Breife discovery of the people called Quakers -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
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           A
           BRIEF
           DISCOVERY
           OF
           THE
           Dangerous
           Principles
           OF
           
             John
             Horne
          
           (
           a
           Priest
           in
           
             Lin
             )
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
             junior
             ,
          
           both
           Teachers
           of
           the
           people
           called
           
             Mooreians
          
           or
           
             Manifestarians
             ,
          
           (
           and
           called
           by
           some
           
             Freewillers
          
           or
           
             Independants
             .
             )
          
           In
           Answer
           to
           their
           Book
           Called
           
             A
             brief
             Discovery
             of
             the
             People
             called
             Quakers
             ,
             and
             a
             Warning
             to
             all
             people
             to
             beware
             of
             them
             and
             of
             their
             dangerous
             principles
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           Which
           Book
           is
           a
           false
           Narrative
           of
           two
           Disputes
           ,
           the
           one
           which
           they
           had
           with
           
             John
             Whitehead
          
           at
           
             Gedney
          
           in
           
             Lincoln-shire
             ,
          
           and
           the
           other
           with
           
             Geo.
             Whitehead
          
           and
           
             Geo.
             
             Fox
          
           the
           younger
           ,
           at
           
             Lin
          
           in
           
             Norfolke
             ,
          
           both
           in
           the
           seventh
           Moneth
           ,
           1659.
           
           Also
           Priest
           
             Horns
          
           Testimony
           against
           his
           brethren
           the
           Priests
           .
           This
           is
           to
           go
           amongst
           the
           Professors
           in
           
             England
          
           in
           Discovery
           of
           the
           Truth
           ;
           For
           in
           this
           Answer
           the
           Truth
           is
           cleared
           ,
           and
           
             John
             Horne
          
           and
           
             Tho.
             
             Moores
          
           Ignorance
           discovered
           concerning
           Perfection
           ,
           and
           the
           Resurrection
           ,
           and
           the
           Body
           and
           Blood
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           his
           Light
           ,
           and
           other
           things
           of
           concernment
           ,
           and
           their
           abusing
           the
           Truth
           (
           which
           is
           set
           over
           them
           and
           their
           deceits
           )
           made
           manifest
           .
        
         
           By
           the
           Truth
           ▪
           which
           is
           in
           
             
               
                 George
                 Whitehead
                 .
              
            
             
               
                 John
                 Whitehead
                 .
              
            
             
               
                 George
                 Fox
              
               the
               younger
               .
            
          
        
         
           Jer
           10.
           21.
           
        
         
           For
           the
           Pastors
           are
           become
           bruitish
           and
           have
           not
           sought
           the
           Lord
           ,
           therefore
           they
           shall
           not
           prosper
           ,
           and
           all
           their
           flocks
           shall
           be
           scattered
           .
        
         
           Printed
           for
           
             Thomas
             Simmons
          
           at
           the
           
             Bull
          
           and
           
             Mouth
          
           near
           
             Aldersgate
             ,
          
           1659.
           
        
      
       
       
       
       
         
           TO
           THE
           READER
           .
        
         
           THat
           all
           People
           who
           reads
           this
           Treatise
           may
           see
           the
           confusion
           and
           Ignorance
           of
           
             John
             Horne
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
             ,
          
           who
           long
           have
           been
           owned
           as
           eminent
           Teachers
           by
           many
           that
           are
           deceived
           by
           them
           ,
           it
           is
           seen
           sit
           that
           they
           seriously
           here
           take
           a
           view
           of
           some
           of
           the
           Principles
           affirmed
           by
           the
           said
           
             John
             Horne
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
          
           at
           the
           dispute
           that
           we
           had
           with
           them
           (
           as
           ordered
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           )
           at
           
             Lin
             in
             Norfolke
             ,
          
           the
           fifteenth
           day
           of
           the
           seventh
           Moneth
           ,
           1659.
           for
           their
           booke
           which
           is
           hereafter
           confuted
           ,
           hath
           some
           relation
           to
           their
           Principles
           ,
           which
           are
           laid
           down
           as
           followeth
           .
        
         
           Thomas
           Moore
           
             affirmed
             ,
             That
             sin
             is
             a
             natural
             Heritage
             in
             the
             believers
             while
             they
             are
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             That
             their
             nature
             is
             restored
             in
             Christ
             ,
             (
             speaking
             of
             their
             own
             nature
             )
             and
             that
             their
             nature
             is
             a
             filthy
             nature
             ,
             and
             Christ
             took
             upon
             him
             their
             nature
             .
          
        
         
           John
           Horne
           ,
           
             That
             they
             that
             had
             no
             guile
             in
             them
             had
             sin
             in
             them
             ;
             That
             every
             sin
             is
             not
             guile
             .
          
        
         
           T.
           M.
           
             That
             the
             blood
             of
             Christ
             shed
             is
             not
             in
             his
             Person
             in
             heaven
             ,
             but
             the
             virtue
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           T.
           M.
           
             That
             the
             blood
             of
             Christ
             shed
             is
             the
             foundation
             of
             their
             faith
             ,
             (
             but
             where
             it
             is
             they
             answered
             not
             ,
             nor
             could
             they
             tell
             .
             )
          
        
         
         
           T
           M.
           
             That
             the
             Life
             of
             Christ
             is
             not
             in
             the
             bloud
             of
             Christ
             ,
          
           (
           so
           from
           this
           then
           the
           foundation
           of
           their
           faith
           hath
           not
           the
           Life
           of
           Christ
           in
           it
           .
           )
        
         
           T.
           M.
           
             That
             the
             Light
             with
             which
             Christ
             lighteth
             every
             man
             is
             both
             natural
             and
             spiritual
             .
          
        
         
           T.
           M.
           
             That
             the
             Person
             of
             Christ
          
           (
           viz.
           
             of
             flesh
             and
             bone
             )
             is
             a
             quickening
             spirit
             and
             dwells
             in
             the
             believers
             by
             faith
             ;
          
           and
           to
           prove
           it
           ,
           he
           said
           
             That
             the
          
           Corinthians
           
             dwelt
             in
             the
             heart
             of
          
           Paul
           .
        
         
           J.
           H.
           To
           that
           of
           1
           Cor.
           15.
           45.
           
           The
           last
           
             Adam
          
           was
           made
           a
           quickening
           spirit
           ,
           
             John
             Horne
          
           said
           
             That
             he
             was
             distinct
             from
             the
             Eternal
             Spirit
             .
          
        
         
           T
           ,
           M.
           To
           prove
           
             sin
             a
             natural
             heritage
             in
             believers
             so
             long
             as
             they
             are
             here
             ,
          
           he
           brought
           that
           of
           
             Rom.
             7.
             17.
             
          
        
         
           These
           Doctrines
           (
           with
           many
           such
           like
           )
           were
           taken
           notice
           of
           by
           many
           as
           they
           were
           asserted
           by
           the
           said
           
             John
             Horne
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
             ,
          
           and
           contradicted
           by
           the
           Truth
           at
           the
           Dispute
           aforesaid
           ,
           wherein
           it
           is
           so
           easie
           to
           see
           their
           darknesse
           and
           confusion
           ,
           that
           we
           need
           say
           little
           about
           them
           at
           present
           ,
           but
           proceed
           to
           Answer
           their
           Booke
           which
           in
           effect
           hath
           the
           very
           same
           Doctrines
           in
           it
           ,
           with
           many
           such
           like
           ;
           so
           that
           we
           desire
           that
           our
           following
           Answer
           may
           be
           seriously
           read
           without
           prejudice
           or
           envy
           against
           us
           ,
           and
           let
           the
           Light
           of
           Christ
           judge
           between
           us
           and
           our
           Accusers
           ;
           whereby
           the
           Readers
           hereof
           may
           see
           the
           errours
           and
           confusions
           of
           these
           men
           aforesaid
           confuted
           by
           the
           Truth
           ,
           and
           us
           who
           love
           it
           cleared
           from
           their
           slanders
           and
           revilings
           .
        
      
    
     
       
       
         
           ANd
           now
           
             John
             Horne
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
             ,
          
           you
           have
           charged
           us
           called
           Quakers
           ,
           with
           being
           guilty
           of
           
             great
             errors
             .
             1.
             
             In
             that
             you
             say
             we
             plead
             for
             ,
             and
             maintain
             a
             perfection
             of
             sinlessnesse
             in
             our selves
             in
             this
             life
             ;
             and
             to
             prove
             this
             a
             great
             Error
             ,
             you
             say
             that
             the
             Apostles
             never
             said
             of
             themselves
             ,
             or
             any
             other
             man
             or
             woman
             besides
             Christ
             .
             Jesus
             ,
             that
             they
             had
             no
             sin
             in
             in
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Here
           you
           are
           found
           in
           the
           great
           Error
           your selves
           ,
           who
           deny
           the
           perfection
           of
           sinlesnesse
           in
           the
           believers
           in
           this
           life
           ;
           the
           Apostle
           said
           ,
           he
           that
           believeth
           hath
           the
           witnesse
           in
           himself
           ,
           1
           
             John
          
           5.
           10.
           which
           witnesse
           is
           perfect
           and
           sinlesse
           ,
           so
           not
           without
           the
           perfection
           of
           sinlesnesse
           ,
           and
           he
           that
           believeth
           ,
           hath
           obtained
           witnesse
           that
           he
           is
           righteous
           ,
           and
           having
           this
           perfect
           witnesse
           in
           himself
           ,
           he
           is
           not
           without
           the
           perfection
           and
           purity
           of
           it
           in
           himself
           ,
           for
           the
           witnesse
           of
           God
           cannot
           be
           divided
           from
           the
           nature
           of
           it
           ,
           and
           
             John
          
           said
           (
           speaking
           of
           Christ
           )
           as
           he
           is
           ,
           so
           are
           we
           in
           this
           world
           ,
           1
           
             John
          
           4.
           17.
           so
           you
           have
           manifestly
           wronged
           both
           us
           and
           the
           Apostles
           ,
           and
           we
           do
           not
           say
           that
           there
           is
           any
           perfection
           in
           ourselves
           without
           Christ
           who
           is
           our
           righteousnesse
           ,
           and
           we
           the
           righteousnesse
           of
           God
           in
           him
           .
        
         
           Again
           to
           prove
           our
           maintaining
           perfection
           in
           this
           life
           an
           Errour
           ,
           you
           say
           
             Christ
             was
             manifested
             to
             take
             away
             sin
             ,
             and
             in
             him
             is
             no
             sin
             .
          
           1
           John
           3.
           
             but
             never
             is
             it
             said
             so
             of
             any
             other
             ,
             and
             that
             it
             is
             no where
             said
             by
             any
             one
             of
             the
             Saints
             of
             themselves
             ,
             or
             of
             any
             of
             their
             Brethren
             ,
             that
             they
             had
             no
             sin
             in
             them
             ,
             or
             were
             not
             sinners
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Here
           you
           would
           accuse
           the
           Saints
           or
           Brethren
           with
           having
           sin
           in
           them
           ,
           and
           with
           being
           sinners
           while
           in
           this
           life
           ;
           But
           mark
           how
           fairly
           you
           have
           contradicted
           your
           own
           doctrine
           ,
           you
           tell
           us
           ,
           
             It
             is
             said
             indeed
             ,
             that
             he
             that
             abideth
             in
             him
             sinneth
             not
             ,
             and
             he
             that
             is
             born
             of
             God
             ,
             doth
             not
             commit
             or
             worksin
             ,
             because
             the
             seed
             of
             God
             abides
             in
             him
             ;
             neither
             can
             he
             sin
             ,
             that
             is
             ,
             commit
             ,
             work
             ,
             or
             yield
             up
             to
             sin
             ,
             because
             he
             is
             born
             of
             God
             ,
          
           you
           say
           :
           So
           you
           may
           here
           see
           what
           
             J.
             Horn
             ,
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moore
          
           have
           confessed
           ,
           that
           he
           that
           abideth
           in
           Christ
           sinneth
           not
           ,
           and
           that
           he
           that
           is
           born
           of
           God
           cannot
           sin
           ,
           nor
           yield
           up
           to
           sin
           ,
           because
           his
           seed
           remains
           in
           him
           ;
           whereas
           before
           they
           have
           counted
           our
           maintaining
           a
           perfection
           of
           sinlesness
           
           in
           this
           life
           a
           great
           errour
           ,
           and
           would
           accuse
           the
           Saints
           and
           Brethren
           with
           being
           sinners
           ;
           so
           any
           that
           are
           not
           wholly
           blind
           may
           see
           their
           confusion
           ,
           and
           how
           they
           have
           broken
           themselves
           upon
           the
           stone
           which
           they
           have
           been
           making
           warre
           against
           ;
           for
           if
           Christ
           be
           made
           manifest
           to
           take
           away
           sin
           ,
           then
           they
           in
           whom
           he
           is
           made
           manifest
           are
           not
           to
           have
           sin
           remaining
           in
           them
           so
           long
           as
           they
           are
           in
           this
           life
           ;
           and
           if
           he
           that
           is
           born
           of
           God
           cannot
           sin
           ,
           nor
           yield
           up
           to
           sin
           ;
           then
           he
           is
           not
           a
           sinner
           ,
           but
           clear
           and
           perfect
           from
           sin
           ,
           And
           whosoever
           sinneth
           hath
           neither
           seen
           Christ
           nor
           known
           him
           .
           Now
           they
           that
           affirm
           that
           the
           Saints
           or
           they
           that
           be
           born
           of
           God
           are
           sinners
           ,
           they
           might
           as
           well
           say
           that
           the
           Saints
           have
           neither
           seen
           Christ
           nor
           known
           him
           ;
           And
           where
           it
           is
           said
           ,
           he
           that
           is
           born
           of
           God
           cannot
           sin
           ,
           
             John
             Horn
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
          
           have
           given
           their
           meaning
           to
           it
           ,
           which
           is
           ,
           
             it
             's
             no
             more
             then
             a
             man
             acted
             and
             led
             of
             God
             cannot
             therein
             sin
          
           they
           say
           ;
           which
           is
           no
           more
           then
           to
           say
           ,
           that
           a
           man
           that
           is
           acted
           of
           God
           cannot
           sin
           in
           being
           acted
           of
           God
           ,
           or
           he
           that
           doth
           righteousness
           doth
           not
           sin
           in
           so
           doing
           ;
           so
           that
           still
           they
           reserve
           an
           accusation
           against
           him
           that
           is
           born
           of
           God
           for
           being
           a
           sinner
           ;
           whereas
           
             John
          
           saith
           ,
           be
           not
           deceived
           ,
           he
           that
           doth
           righteousness
           is
           righteous
           even
           as
           Christ
           is
           righteous
           in
           whom
           is
           no
           sin
           ,
           1
           
             John
          
           3.
           7
           ,
           8.
           
           And
           now
           further
           see
           how
           they
           have
           accused
           the
           Apostle
           
             Paul
             .
          
        
         
           
             J.
             Horn
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moores
          
           words
           are
           these
           ;
           
             Yea
             in
          
           1
           Tim.
           1.
           16.
           
             he
             saith
             he
             was
             then
             ,
             when
             an
             Apostle
             ,
             the
             chief
             of
             sinners
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           So
           here
           they
           have
           accused
           
             Paul
          
           to
           be
           the
           chief
           of
           sinners
           when
           an
           Apostle
           ,
           when
           as
           the
           same
           Apostle
           saith
           in
           that
           1
           
             Tim.
          
           1.
           12.
           
           That
           Christ
           counted
           him
           faithful
           ,
           putting
           him
           into
           the
           Mi●istry
           ;
           but
           these
           accusing
           
             Paul
          
           then
           to
           be
           the
           chief
           of
           sinners
           ,
           when
           an
           Apostle
           ,
           they
           might
           as
           well
           say
           ,
           that
           he
           that
           is
           faithful
           to
           Christ
           is
           the
           chief
           of
           sinners
           ,
           when
           as
           it
           is
           said
           that
           Christ
           came
           to
           save
           sinners
           ,
           of
           whom
           I
           am
           chief
           ,
           and
           saith
           ,
           he
           had
           obtained
           mercy
           ;
           now
           it
           doth
           not
           follow
           that
           
             Paul
          
           was
           then
           one
           of
           the
           chief
           or
           greatest
           sinners
           when
           faithful
           ,
           but
           he
           was
           one
           of
           the
           chief
           of
           sinners
           that
           were
           saved
           by
           Christ
           ,
           who
           saveth
           his
           people
           from
           their
           sins
           ,
           and
           doth
           not
           suffer
           them
           to
           remain
           the
           greatest
           sinners
           when
           they
           are
           saved
           from
           sin
           ,
           as
           they
           here
           have
           accused
           
             Paul
             .
          
           And
           as
           for
           these
           Scriptures
           you
           bring
           ,
           1
           
             John
          
           1.
           8
           ,
           9
           ,
           10.
           and
           
             James
          
           3.
           1
           ,
           2.
           these
           prove
           not
           what
           you
           
           would
           have
           them
           ,
           that
           the
           Saints
           were
           not
           perfectly
           freed
           from
           sin
           in
           this
           life
           ;
           they
           did
           not
           preach
           up
           sin
           ,
           and
           imperfection
           to
           remain
           in
           them
           while
           in
           this
           life
           as
           you
           do
           ,
           for
           both
           
             James
          
           and
           
             John
          
           exhorteth
           them
           otherwise
           for
           said
           
             James
             ,
          
           let
           patience
           have
           her
           perfect
           work
           ,
           that
           you
           may
           be
           perfect
           and
           entire
           ,
           wanting
           nothing
           ,
           
             James
          
           1.
           4
           ▪
           and
           
             John
          
           said
           ,
           If
           we
           walk
           in
           the
           light
           as
           he
           is
           in
           the
           light
           ,
           we
           have
           fellowship
           one
           with
           another
           ,
           and
           the
           Blood
           of
           Christ
           cleanseth
           us
           from
           all
           sin
           ,
           1
           
             John
          
           1.
           7.
           and
           chap.
           2.
           1.
           
           
             My
             little
             children
             ,
             these
             things
             write
             I
             unto
             you
             that
             ye
             sin
             not
             ,
             and
             if
             any
             man
             sin
             we
             have
             an
             Advacate
             with
             the
             Father
             .
          
           So
           he
           did
           not
           include
           them
           all
           as
           to
           remain
           sinners
           ,
           for
           they
           were
           all
           sinners
           while
           they
           were
           not
           cleansed
           by
           the
           blood
           of
           Christ
           .
           Now
           we
           ask
           these
           men
           aforesaid
           ,
           seeing
           
             Paul
          
           was
           counted
           faithfull
           ,
           and
           
             James
          
           a
           servant
           of
           Jesus
           Christ
           ,
           and
           
             John
          
           the
           beloved
           of
           Christ
           ,
           what
           one
           sin
           or
           sins
           can
           they
           lay
           to
           their
           charge
           ,
           or
           to
           any
           of
           them
           which
           they
           were
           not
           freed
           from
           before
           their
           decease
           ?
           let
           them
           prove
           some
           sin
           which
           was
           not
           destroyed
           in
           any
           of
           these
           before
           their
           decease
           ,
           (
           and
           who
           can
           lay
           any
           thing
           to
           the
           charge
           of
           Gods
           elect
           ?
           )
           let
           them
           speak
           out
           and
           answer
           directly
           ,
           or
           for
           ever
           be
           silent
           from
           pleading
           for
           sin
           and
           accusing
           the
           righteous
           as
           they
           have
           done
           ;
           
             John
          
           did
           not
           say
           ,
           if
           we
           say
           we
           are
           not
           all
           sinners
           ,
           we
           deceive
           our selves
           ,
           but
           if
           we
           say
           we
           have
           no
           sin
           ,
           and
           if
           we
           say
           we
           have
           not
           sinned
           ,
           which
           if
           the
           little
           children
           whom
           
             John
          
           wrote
           unto
           that
           they
           might
           not
           sin
           ,
           had
           sin
           ,
           then
           
             John
          
           might
           say
           we
           have
           sin
           ,
           for
           he
           numbred
           himself
           with
           them
           as
           friends
           ,
           or
           those
           whose
           sins
           were
           forgiven
           ,
           and
           yet
           the
           young
           men
           and
           Fathers
           he
           wrote
           to
           had
           overcome
           the
           wicked
           one
           ,
           and
           had
           the
           word
           of
           God
           abiding
           in
           them
           ,
           1
           
             John
          
           2.
           and
           as
           for
           that
           of
           
             Prov.
          
           20.
           9.
           who
           can
           say
           I
           have
           made
           my
           heart
           clean
           ?
           this
           is
           not
           against
           us
           ,
           for
           we
           do
           not
           say
           that
           we
           our selves
           have
           made
           our
           hearts
           clean
           ,
           it
           being
           Christs
           work
           to
           cleanse
           ,
           and
           for
           ever
           to
           have
           perfected
           them
           that
           are
           sanctified
           ,
           
             Heb.
          
           10.
           14.
           and
           
             Solomon
          
           saith
           ,
           the
           just
           man
           walketh
           in
           his
           Integrity
           ,
           and
           the
           righteousnesse
           of
           the
           perfect
           shall
           direct
           his
           way
           ,
           
             Prov.
          
           11.
           5.
           and
           20.
           7.
           
           And
           as
           for
           that
           of
           
             Eccle●
             .
          
           7.
           he
           saith
           ,
           all
           things
           have
           I
           seen
           in
           the
           dayes
           of
           my
           vanity
           ;
           there
           is
           a
           just
           man
           that
           perisheth
           in
           his
           righteousnesse
           ,
           and
           a
           wicked
           man
           that
           prolongeth
           his
           life
           in
           wickednesse
           ,
           but
           he
           that
           feareth
           the
           Lord
           shall
           come
           out
           of
           them
           all
           ,
           forthere
           is
           not
           a
           just
           man
           upon
           
           earth
           :
           Mark
           for
           there
           among
           them
           that
           were
           in
           the
           changeable
           state
           ,
           not
           among
           them
           that
           are
           borne
           of
           God
           ,
           for
           they
           cannot
           sin
           ,
           because
           the
           Seed
           of
           God
           abides
           in
           them
           ,
           and
           they
           in
           it
           ,
           neither
           can
           the
           wicked
           one
           touch
           them
           ,
           1
           
             John
          
           5.
           18.
           
        
         
           J.
           Horn
           and
           T.
           Moore
           say
           ,
           
             There
             is
             no
             man
             that
             sinneth
             not
             ;
             It
             is
             true
             indeed
             that
             Christ
             said
             of
          
           Nathaniel
           ,
           
             that
             he
             was
             an
             Israelite
             in
             whom
             was
             no
             guile
             ,
          
           John
           1.
           47.
           
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Here
           you
           may
           see
           how
           they
           are
           confounded
           ,
           in
           what
           they
           themselves
           bring
           ,
           there
           was
           some
           in
           whom
           was
           no
           guile
           ,
           contrary
           to
           what
           they
           affirmed
           before
           against
           perfection
           ;
           and
           as
           for
           that
           1
           
             King.
          
           8.
           6.
           it
           is
           said
           ,
           if
           they
           sin
           against
           thee
           ,
           for
           there
           is
           no
           man
           that
           sinneth
           not
           ;
           Mark
           the
           words
           (
           for
           there
           )
           again
           ,
           among
           them
           that
           sinned
           against
           God
           ,
           and
           this
           was
           in
           the
           time
           of
           the
           old
           Covenant
           
             Solomon
          
           spoke
           these
           words
           ,
           which
           Covenant
           they
           brake
           ;
           but
           now
           the
           Lord
           makes
           a
           new
           Covenant
           with
           his
           people
           ,
           when
           he
           takes
           away
           their
           sins
           ,
           not
           according
           to
           the
           old
           Covenant
           which
           the
           Israelites
           brake
           ,
           
             Heb.
          
           8.
           and
           
             Solomon
          
           also
           said
           ,
           let
           your
           heart
           be
           perfect
           with
           the
           Lord
           your
           God
           ,
           and
           walk
           in
           his
           Statutes
           ,
           and
           to
           keep
           his
           Commandements
           ,
           as
           at
           this
           day
           ,
           1
           
             King
          
           8.
           61.
           
        
         
           J.
           Horn
           saith
           ,
           
             It
             is
             not
             said
             that
             there
             was
             no
             sin
             in
          
           Nathaniel
           ,
           
             and
             though
          
           I
           pleaded
           that
           all
           sin
           is
           guile
           ,
           yet
           the
           contrary
           was
           testified
           from
           1
           
             Pet.
          
           2.
           1
           ,
           2.
           
             where
             hypocrisie
             ,
             and
             envie
             ,
             and
             malice
             ,
             and
             evill
             speakings
             are
             distinguished
             from
             Guile
             ,
             Guile
             being
             a
             deceitful
          
           hiding
           a
           mans
           sin
           or
           deceit
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Here
           
             John
             Horne
          
           would
           accuse
           
             Nathaniel
          
           to
           have
           sin
           in
           him
           ,
           when
           as
           Christ
           said
           there
           was
           no
           Guile
           in
           him
           ,
           
             John
          
           1.
           47.
           and
           so
           here
           he
           hath
           affirmed
           as
           much
           as
           that
           all
           sin
           is
           not
           Guile
           ,
           and
           so
           would
           distinguish
           hypocrisy
           and
           envie
           from
           being
           guile
           ,
           and
           yet
           confesseth
           Guile
           to
           be
           a
           deceitful
           hiding
           a
           mans
           sin
           or
           deceit
           ;
           now
           let
           any
           that
           have
           understanding
           see
           these
           mens
           ignorance
           ;
           what
           is
           not
           hypocrisy
           a
           deceitful
           hiding
           a
           mans
           sin
           ?
           and
           is
           not
           every
           sin
           deceit
           ,
           and
           deceit
           Guile
           ?
           see
           their
           confusion
           ;
           and
           this
           being
           
             John
             Hornes
          
           reason
           to
           prove
           all
           sinne
           not
           Guile
           ,
           because
           it
           is
           said
           in
           1
           
             Pet.
          
           2.
           1
           ,
           2.
           laying
           aside
           all
           malice
           ,
           and
           all
           guile
           (
           mark
           all
           guile
           )
           and
           hypocrisy
           ,
           the
           word
           (
           and
           being
           his
           distinction
           ,
           he
           might
           as
           well
           say
           that
           envie
           is
           not
           malice
           ,
           because
           there
           is
           (
           and
           )
           between
           them
           ,
           but
           in
           that
           thing
           many
           saw
           his
           folly
           at
           the
           dispute
           ,
           in
           his
           affirming
           that
           all
           
           sin
           is
           not
           guile
           ,
           when
           as
           all
           guile
           doth
           only
           include
           one
           sin
           as
           he
           would
           have
           it
           ;
           but
           all
           sin
           ,
           and
           any
           one
           sin
           makes
           a
           man
           guilty
           ,
           and
           so
           he
           hath
           guile
           in
           him
           ,
           so
           that
           he
           that
           had
           no
           guile
           in
           him
           ,
           had
           no
           sin
           in
           him
           ,
           and
           also
           
             John
             Horne
          
           hath
           turned
           
             George
             Whiteheads
          
           words
           about
           this
           thing
           ,
           in
           saying
           that
           be
           said
           Guile
           is
           a
           transgression
           of
           the
           Law
           ,
           therefore
           guile
           is
           all
           sin
           ,
           which
           is
           falsely
           framed
           ,
           for
           the
           words
           were
           to
           this
           effect
           ,
           every
           trangression
           of
           the
           Law
           is
           guile
           or
           sin
           ,
           and
           all
           guile
           includes
           all
           transgression
           of
           the
           Law
           ,
           therefore
           every
           sin
           is
           guile
           ,
           and
           what
           sin
           can
           they
           prove
           had
           
             Nathaniel
          
           in
           him
           when
           he
           had
           no
           guile
           in
           him
           ?
           they
           must
           either
           prove
           some
           sin
           that
           was
           then
           in
           him
           ,
           or
           else
           see
           themselves
           confuted
           .
        
         
           
             J.
             Horne
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moore
          
           in
           the
           3.
           and
           4.
           pages
           of
           their
           Book
           ,
           say
           :
           
             That
             in
             the
             Declaration
             by
          
           Edward
           Burrough
           page
           4.
           
             that
             we
             believe
             the
             Saints
             upon
             earth
             may
             be
             perfectly
             freed
             from
             the
             body
             of
             sin
             and
             death
             ,
          
           herein
           we
           are
           concluded
           to
           be
           Preachers
           of
           Lyes
           and
           Errors
           (
           this
           they
           charge
           the
           Quakers
           with
           )
           and
           yet
           they
           say
           ,
           
             We
             are
             compleat
             in
             Christ
             ,
             and
             by
             the
             Grace
             of
             Christ
             received
             ,
             shall
             be
             and
             may
             be
             here
             made
             perfect
             hearted
             with
             Christ
             ,
             but
             that
             some
             are
             sinlesse
             here
             ,
             neither
             Christ
             ,
             nor
             any
             Apostle
             or
             Prophet
             ever
             preached
             of
             any
             ,
             therefore
             the
             Quakers
             are
             deceivers
             .
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           Here
           they
           might
           as
           well
           have
           accused
           the
           true
           Prophets
           and
           Apostles
           with
           being
           Preachers
           of
           Lyes
           ,
           and
           deceivers
           ,
           for
           they
           witnessed
           to
           the
           same
           the
           Quakers
           witnesse
           to
           ,
           as
           said
           the
           Prophet
           ,
           blessed
           are
           the
           undefiled
           in
           the
           way
           (
           mark
           undefiled
           in
           the
           way
           )
           they
           also
           do
           no
           iniquity
           ,
           
             Psal.
          
           119.
           1
           ,
           2
           ,
           3.
           and
           saith
           the
           Lord
           ,
           ye
           shall
           be
           clean
           from
           all
           your
           filthinesse
           ,
           
             Ezek.
          
           36.
           25.
           and
           Christ
           exhorted
           his
           to
           be
           perfect
           ,
           as
           their
           heavenly
           Father
           is
           perfect
           ,
           
             Matt.
          
           5.
           48.
           and
           every
           one
           that
           is
           perfect
           shall
           be
           as
           his
           Lord
           ,
           and
           the
           same
           Apostle
           who
           said
           ,
           ye
           are
           compleat
           in
           Christ
           ,
           said
           in
           whom
           also
           ye
           are
           circumcised
           with
           the
           circumcision
           made
           without
           hands
           ,
           in
           putting
           off
           the
           body
           of
           the
           sins
           of
           the
           flesh
           ,
           
             Col.
          
           2.
           10
           ,
           1.
           
        
         
           Now
           the
           same
           spirit
           in
           
             J.
             Horne
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moore
             ,
          
           that
           hath
           accused
           the
           Quakers
           with
           being
           deceivers
           ,
           for
           bearing
           witnesse
           to
           these
           Truths
           ,
           would
           have
           accused
           the
           true
           Prophets
           ,
           Christ
           and
           his
           Apostles
           for
           being
           deceivers
           ;
           but
           their
           confusion
           and
           railing
           against
           the
           Innocent
           is
           here
           made
           manifest
           ,
           who
           notwithstanding
           have
           confessed
           a
           compleatnesse
           and
           perfect
           heartednesse
           
           with
           Christ
           here
           ,
           and
           so
           in
           pleading
           for
           sin
           in
           this
           life
           ,
           are
           sighting
           against
           their
           own
           words
           ,
           for
           they
           who
           are
           compleat
           in
           Christ
           ,
           are
           perfectly
           freed
           from
           sin
           ,
           being
           compleat
           in
           Christ
           in
           whom
           there
           is
           no
           sin
           ;
           and
           know
           this
           ,
           that
           sinners
           are
           out
           of
           the
           compleatnesse
           which
           the
           Saints
           have
           in
           Christ
           ,
           and
           the
           heare
           that
           hath
           sin
           dwelling
           in
           it
           is
           not
           perfect
           ;
           much
           more
           might
           be
           said
           to
           this
           .
        
         
           John
           Horne
           and
           Thomas
           Moore
           p.
           3.
           to
           prove
           ,
           
             that
             they
             who
             have
             believed
             in
             Christ
             ,
             comes
             not
             to
             prove
             the
             first
          
           Adams
           
             state
             before
             the
             fall
             ;
             say
             ,
             that
          
           Adam
           
             before
             his
             fall
             had
             neither
             sin
             in
             him
             ,
             nor
             death
             upon
             ,
             but
             surely
             the
             Quakers
             must
             die
             as
             well
             as
             other
             mens
          
           Adam
           
             also
             before
             his
             fall
             was
             under
             a
             Covenant
             of
             works
             ,
             doe
             this
             and
             live
             ,
             and
             might
             possibly
             sin
             and
             dye
             ,
             but
             not
             so
             the
             believers
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Mark
           their
           heap
           of
           confusion
           here
           ,
           they
           own
           that
           the
           Believers
           in
           Christ
           are
           come
           to
           a
           further
           state
           or
           Covenant
           then
           
             Adam
          
           was
           in
           before
           the
           fall
           ,
           who
           then
           had
           no
           sin
           in
           him
           ,
           and
           yet
           have
           accused
           the
           Believers
           with
           having
           the
           body
           of
           sin
           ,
           or
           not
           being
           perfect
           while
           they
           are
           here
           ;
           and
           
             Adam
          
           might
           possibly
           sin
           and
           dye
           ,
           but
           not
           so
           the
           Believers
           they
           say
           ;
           And
           as
           for
           the
           Quakers
           dying
           ,
           because
           of
           which
           they
           would
           accuse
           them
           with
           being
           sinners
           ,
           here
           their
           darknesse
           appears
           ,
           for
           Believers
           dying
           the
           natural
           death
           ,
           doth
           not
           prove
           them
           sinners
           while
           they
           are
           here
           ,
           for
           through
           death
           they
           gain
           more
           of
           the
           Peace
           and
           Glory
           of
           God
           which
           they
           partake
           of
           in
           their
           life
           time
           ,
           and
           what
           doth
           
             John
             Horne
          
           believe
           that
           
             Adam
          
           might
           not
           have
           dyed
           the
           natural
           death
           if
           he
           had
           not
           sinned
           ?
           for
           Christ
           dyed
           who
           had
           no
           sin
           ,
           that
           he
           might
           destroy
           the
           death
           which
           came
           by
           sin
           ,
           and
           him
           that
           hath
           the
           power
           of
           it
           ,
           and
           they
           who
           dye
           in
           the
           Lord
           are
           blessed
           ,
           and
           to
           dye
           is
           gain
           unto
           them
           ,
           
             Phil.
          
           1.
           2●
           .
           so
           that
           righteous
           mens
           dying
           was
           not
           charged
           upon
           them
           as
           a
           reward
           for
           their
           sin
           ,
           but
           witnessed
           to
           be
           gain
           unto
           them
           ,
           before
           whose
           decease
           their
           sins
           are
           done
           away
           ,
           and
           he
           that
           believeth
           hath
           everlasting
           life
           ,
           yet
           the
           wages
           of
           sin
           is
           death
           to
           them
           who
           are
           not
           freed
           from
           it
           by
           the
           gift
           of
           God
           which
           is
           life
           ;
           and
           God
           said
           to
           
             Adam
          
           in
           the
           day
           thou
           eatest
           thereof
           thou
           shalt
           surely
           dye
           ;
           but
           
             Adam
          
           lost
           not
           his
           natural
           life
           in
           the
           day
           he
           eat
           of
           the
           tree
           of
           knowledge
           ,
           for
           after
           that
           he
           lived
           in
           the
           body
           ;
           and
           as
           for
           the
           Covenant
           that
           
             Adam
          
           was
           under
           before
           the
           full
           ,
           it
           was
           a
           Covenant
           of
           life
           ;
           for
           he
           was
           in
           the
           image
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           a
           living
           soule
           ,
           having
           the
           breath
           
           of
           life
           in
           him
           ,
           and
           had
           dominion
           in
           it
           while
           he
           stood
           in
           his
           habitation
           ,
           and
           this
           state
           have
           the
           true
           Believers
           proved
           and
           witnessed
           that
           life
           ,
           and
           nature
           ,
           &
           image
           that
           was
           in
           man
           before
           the
           fall
           ,
           though
           they
           be
           come
           further
           in
           the
           second
           
             Adam
             ,
          
           who
           is
           greater
           then
           the
           first
           
             Adam
             ;
          
           and
           as
           for
           
             Adam
          
           before
           the
           fall
           ,
           being
           under
           a
           Covenant
           of
           works
           
             do
             this
             and
             live
          
           (
           as
           if
           he
           had
           not
           lived
           when
           he
           was
           in
           innocency
           ,
           till
           he
           did
           something
           to
           merit
           life
           )
           you
           have
           here
           spoken
           ignorantly
           ,
           for
           that
           Covenant
           of
           works
           was
           established
           by
           the
           Law
           after
           the
           fall
           ,
           and
           the
           Law
           entered
           because
           of
           transgression
           till
           the
           Seed
           came
           ,
           which
           Seed
           destroyes
           sin
           and
           redeems
           the
           Creature
           out
           of
           the
           fall
           ,
           and
           out
           of
           the
           death
           which
           came
           by
           sin
           .
        
         
           P.
           4.
           
           And
           in
           their
           second
           charge
           against
           us
           called
           Quakers
           ,
           J.
           Horne
           and
           T.
           Moor
           have
           accused
           us
           
             to
             be
             reprobates
             concerning
             faith
             ,
             as
             touching
             he
             person
             of
             Christ
             ;
          
           for
           they
           say
           ,
           
             we
             did
             not
             ,
             nor
             could
             be
             brought
             to
             acknowledge
             that
             Christ
             is
             glorified
             in
             the
             heavens
             ,
             without
             all
             men
             ,
             the
             heavens
             above
             the
             clouds
             ,
             and
             distinct
             from
             the
             visible
             earth
             in
             the
             same
             body
             which
             suffered
             ,
             was
             crucified
             ,
             dead
             and
             buried
             ,
          
           &c.
           
           And
           this
           have
           they
           questioned
           several
           times
           altering
           their
           own
           words
           ,
           and
           then
           in
           page
           5.
           asking
           
             whether
             Christ
             hath
             any body
             of
             flesh
             and
             bones
             ,
             distinct
             from
             all
             other
             bodies
             and
             spirits
             of
             men
             ,
          
           to
           which
           they
           say
           ,
           we
           would
           by
           no
           means
           be
           drawn
           to
           give
           a
           direct
           answer
           .
           But
           then
           mark
           how
           they
           have
           again
           contradicted
           themselves
           ;
           they
           say
           ,
           
             that
             we
             said
             the
             same
             body
             that
             suffered
             was
             glorified
             at
             Gods
             right
             hand
             in
             heaven
             ;
          
           yet
           still
           (
           they
           say
           )
           we
           meant
           but
           his
           Church
           either
           by
           his
           body
           or
           by
           the
           heavens
           ,
           and
           then
           they
           charge
           it
           upon
           us
           as
           a
           fundamental
           error
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Now
           they
           that
           discerne
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           ,
           may
           see
           how
           these
           wise
           men
           of
           
             Babylon
          
           have
           confounded
           and
           stifled
           themselves
           in
           their
           own
           confusion
           ,
           one
           while
           saying
           that
           we
           would
           not
           be
           drawn
           to
           answer
           their
           question
           ,
           another
           while
           confessing
           that
           we
           said
           the
           same
           body
           that
           suffered
           ,
           was
           glorified
           at
           Gods
           right
           hand
           in
           heaven
           ,
           and
           now
           when
           they
           can
           get
           nought
           against
           our
           words
           ,
           they
           charge
           us
           ignorantly
           with
           what
           we
           meant
           ,
           and
           here
           it
           appears
           they
           hold
           that
           Christ
           hath
           two
           bodies
           ,
           in
           telling
           of
           a
           mystical
           body
           ,
           and
           not
           receiving
           that
           as
           an
           answer
           that
           his
           body
           is
           the
           Church
           ,
           the
           fulness
           of
           him
           that
           filleth
           all
           in
           all
           ,
           so
           that
           from
           their
           words
           they
           would
           have
           Christ
           to
           have
           a
           body
           besides
           (
           or
           distinct
           from
           )
           the
           fulness
           of
           God
           ,
           when
           as
           the
           Scripture
           doth
           not
           say
           that
           
           Christ
           hath
           two
           bodies
           ,
           nor
           that
           his
           body
           is
           a
           body
           of
           flesh
           and
           bones
           without
           the
           blood
           in
           it
           in
           the
           Heavens
           ,
           as
           
             John
             Horne
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
          
           have
           told
           us
           ,
           for
           its
           not
           proper
           to
           say
           that
           a
           body
           of
           flesh
           and
           bones
           is
           in
           the
           Heavens
           ,
           as
           if
           it
           were
           in
           many
           places
           at
           once
           ,
           for
           Heavens
           are
           more
           then
           one
           ,
           and
           the
           body
           is
           one
           and
           hath
           many
           members
           ,
           1
           
             Cor.
          
           12.
           12.
           and
           this
           body
           is
           not
           carnal
           but
           spiritual
           ,
           which
           they
           who
           were
           carnal
           as
           these
           men
           are
           ,
           could
           not
           discern
           ,
           though
           the
           outward
           bodies
           of
           believers
           they
           might
           discern
           ,
           and
           yet
           this
           body
           of
           Christ
           is
           discerned
           by
           the
           believers
           who
           are
           led
           by
           the
           Spirit
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           its
           in
           the
           heavens
           above
           the
           clouds
           ,
           which
           they
           who
           are
           gazing
           abroad
           and
           looking
           carnally
           to
           see
           Christ
           they
           discern
           not
           the
           Lords
           body
           ,
           for
           they
           see
           not
           thorow
           the
           Clouds
           into
           the
           Heavens
           ,
           so
           Christ
           is
           taken
           out
           of
           their
           sight
           ;
           But
           
             Stephen
          
           who
           was
           full
           of
           the
           Holy
           Ghost
           saw
           the
           heavens
           opened
           ,
           and
           the
           Son
           of
           man
           on
           the
           right
           hand
           of
           his
           Father
           ,
           and
           
             John
          
           in
           the
           spirit
           saw
           into
           heaven
           ,
           and
           a
           door
           opened
           in
           heaven
           ;
           and
           Christs
           body
           is
           not
           distinct
           from
           the
           spirits
           of
           all
           men
           ,
           as
           it
           is
           distinct
           from
           carnal
           bodies
           ,
           as
           you
           imagine
           by
           your
           Question
           ;
           for
           the
           just
           men
           who
           are
           come
           unto
           mount
           
             Zion
          
           where
           the
           Lamb
           Reigneth
           in
           his
           glory
           ,
           I
           say
           their
           spirits
           rejoyce
           in
           him
           ,
           and
           the
           true
           Church
           in
           Christ
           which
           discerneth
           his
           body
           in
           his
           fulness
           ,
           is
           but
           one
           compleat
           body
           in
           the
           fulness
           of
           God
           which
           filleth
           all
           in
           all
           (
           both
           in
           Heaven
           and
           Earth
           )
           though
           you
           imagine
           two
           bodies
           of
           Christ
           .
           And
           this
           know
           ,
           that
           what
           the
           Scriptures
           do
           declare
           of
           Christ
           and
           his
           body
           we
           own
           ;
           and
           the
           same
           that
           descended
           into
           the
           lower
           parts
           of
           the
           Earth
           is
           he
           that
           Ascended
           far
           above
           all
           Heavens
           that
           he
           might
           fill
           all
           things
           ;
           the
           same
           Christ
           that
           suffered
           in
           the
           body
           at
           Jerusalem
           who
           appeared
           in
           divers
           forms
           after
           his
           Resurrection
           ,
           and
           in
           the
           transfiguration
           before
           ,
           the
           same
           rose
           again
           ,
           and
           was
           taken
           in
           his
           Ascending
           out
           of
           the
           sight
           of
           them
           that
           gazed
           after
           him
           ,
           and
           is
           glorified
           in
           the
           same
           glory
           which
           he
           had
           with
           the
           Father
           before
           the
           world
           was
           ,
           
             John
          
           17
           and
           as
           he
           who
           is
           the
           Word
           became
           flesh
           ,
           so
           when
           the
           dayes
           of
           his
           flesh
           were
           finished
           he
           was
           translated
           into
           his
           own
           glory
           which
           he
           had
           with
           his
           Father
           from
           Eternity
           ,
           and
           so
           the
           second
           
             Adam
          
           is
           a
           quickening
           spirit
           and
           his
           body
           is
           spiritual
           ,
           not
           discerned
           by
           you
           whose
           minds
           are
           out
           from
           his
           spirit
           ,
           neither
           can
           his
           glory
           by
           which
           he
           was
           transfigured
           and
           is
           glorified
           ,
           be
           seen
           ,
           but
           by
           them
           who
           
           pass
           thorow
           death
           ,
           and
           follow
           him
           into
           the
           mount
           .
           And
           now
           you
           who
           so
           much
           contend
           about
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           ,
           we
           ask
           you
           this
           Question
           ;
           whether
           do
           you
           believe
           that
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           which
           the
           Saints
           upon
           earth
           do
           discern
           ,
           and
           which
           the
           world
           cannot
           discern
           ,
           is
           a
           body
           of
           flesh
           and
           bones
           in
           the
           Heavens
           yea
           or
           nay
           ?
           seeing
           you
           own
           the
           believers
           or
           the
           Church
           to
           be
           a
           body
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           plead
           for
           another
           body
           of
           Christ
           distinct
           from
           them
           .
        
         
           
             John
             Horn
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
             ,
          
           p.
           5.
           
           Say
           
             that
             believers
             are
             members
             of
             his
             body
             (
             namely
             his
             mystical
             body
             )
             of
             his
             flesh
             and
             of
             his
             bones
             ,
             not
             flesh
             of
             his
             flesh
             and
             bone
             of
             his
             bone
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           This
           is
           grosse
           confusion
           to
           say
           that
           believers
           are
           members
           of
           Christs
           flesh
           and
           bones
           ,
           and
           then
           to
           say
           they
           are
           not
           flesh
           of
           his
           flesh
           ,
           and
           bone
           of
           his
           bone
           ,
           as
           if
           Christ
           had
           two
           bodies
           of
           flesh
           and
           bones
           ,
           one
           of
           which
           the
           Saints
           are
           not
           members
           ,
           when
           the
           Apostle
           saith
           as
           much
           as
           they
           were
           flesh
           of
           his
           flesh
           ,
           and
           bone
           of
           his
           bone
           ,
           in
           his
           saying
           no
           man
           ever
           hated
           his
           own
           flesh
           but
           nourisheth
           it
           ,
           and
           cherisheth
           it
           even
           as
           the
           Lord
           the
           Church
           ,
           for
           we
           are
           members
           of
           his
           body
           ,
           of
           his
           flesh
           &
           of
           his
           bones
           ,
           
             Eph.
          
           5.
           30.
           
           
             J.
             Horn
             ,
          
           &
           
             Tho.
             Moore
          
           bring
           1
           
             Thes.
          
           4.
           15.
           16.
           and
           
             Phil.
          
           3.
           20.
           21.
           where
           it
           is
           said
           Christ
           shall
           descend
           from
           Heaven
           ;
           
             not
             from
             but
             to
             his
             Church
          
           (
           say
           they
           )
           
             yea
             this
             of
             the
          
           Quakers
           
             denying
             that
             body
             glorified
             doth
             at
             once
             turn
             up
             by
             the
             roots
             all
             the
             faith
             of
             Christs
             appearing
             in
             the
             presence
             of
             God
             to
             mediate
             for
             us
             .
          
        
         
           
             Ans
          
           Was
           there
           ever
           the
           like
           confusion
           and
           falshood
           uttere'd
           ,
           as
           these
           men
           do
           appear
           in
           ?
           a
           little
           before
           they
           say
           of
           the
           
             Quakers
             ,
             that
             they
             said
             the
             same
             body
             that
             suffered
             was
             glorified
             at
             Gods
             right
             hand
             in
             Heaven
             ;
          
           and
           now
           charge
           us
           with
           denying
           that
           body
           glorified
           ,
           it
           were
           well
           they
           would
           be
           ashamed
           of
           their
           lies
           and
           confusion
           ;
           and
           as
           for
           that
           ,
           1
           
             Thes.
          
           4.
           15.
           
           Concerning
           the
           coming
           of
           the
           Lord
           from
           Heaven
           ,
           which
           these
           men
           aforesaid
           would
           blindly
           put
           afar
           of
           ,
           as
           to
           a
           coming
           of
           Christ
           with
           flesh
           and
           bones
           ,
           the
           Apostle
           saith
           we
           which
           are
           alive
           &
           remain
           unto
           the
           coming
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           shall
           not
           prevent
           them
           which
           are
           a
           sleep
           ;
           so
           that
           coming
           of
           Christ
           ,
           the
           Saints
           who
           then
           were
           alive
           remained
           unto
           it
           :
           and
           in
           that
           of
           
             Phil.
          
           3.
           20.
           21.
           there
           it
           is
           said
           our
           conversation
           is
           in
           Heaven
           from
           whence
           also
           we
           look
           for
           the
           Saviour
           the
           Lord
           Jesus
           Christ
           ;
           so
           their
           conversation
           was
           in
           Heaven
           ,
           and
           there
           they
           looked
           for
           the
           Saviour
           ,
           they
           did
           not
           say
           their
           conversation
           was
           at
           a
           distance
           off
           above
           the
           Clouds
           ,
           
           from
           whence
           you
           look
           for
           a
           Christ
           like
           your selves
           (
           but
           that
           he
           hath
           no
           blood
           in
           his
           body
           as
           you
           imagine
           )
           whom
           we
           desire
           not
           the
           knowledge
           of
           ,
           and
           that
           your
           Faith
           which
           is
           not
           grounded
           in
           Christs
           appearing
           in
           you
           ,
           is
           to
           be
           turned
           up
           by
           the
           roots
           .
        
         
           Again
           ,
           
             J.
             Horn
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moor
          
           do
           accuse
           us
           
             to
             be
             Reprobate
             concerning
             the
             Faith
             touching
             the
             Resurrection
             of
             the
             dead
             ,
          
           as
           chiefly
           they
           accuse
           us
           for
           affirming
           that
           the
           same
           body
           that
           dyes
           shall
           not
           be
           raised
           again
           ,
           and
           that
           
             George
             Fox
          
           would
           not
           be
           brought
           to
           say
           ,
           whether
           the
           spiritual
           body
           was
           ever
           dead
           ,
           but
           answered
           in
           general
           equivocal
           terms
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           They
           have
           changed
           
             G.
             Foxes
          
           words
           ;
           for
           he
           said
           ,
           That
           which
           is
           raised
           is
           a
           spiritual
           body
           ,
           and
           that
           which
           is
           raised
           was
           dead
           ;
           and
           we
           answered
           them
           plainly
           to
           these
           things
           according
           to
           the
           Scriptures
           ,
           but
           like
           fools
           whom
           the
           Apostle
           reproved
           ,
           they
           would
           not
           be
           satisfied
           when
           we
           told
           them
           it
           is
           sown
           a
           natural
           body
           it
           is
           raised
           a
           spiritual
           body
           ,
           and
           receives
           life
           and
           spirit
           by
           the
           Power
           of
           God
           ;
           there
           is
           a
           natural
           body
           and
           there
           is
           a
           spiritual
           body
           ,
           howbeit
           that
           was
           not
           first
           which
           is
           spiritual
           but
           that
           which
           is
           natural
           ,
           and
           afterward
           that
           which
           is
           spiritual
           ;
           so
           the
           Apostle
           distinguisheth
           between
           the
           natural
           body
           and
           the
           spiritual
           body
           ,
           between
           the
           earthly
           bodies
           and
           the
           heavenly
           bodies
           ,
           and
           the
           glories
           of
           each
           ,
           and
           doth
           not
           say
           ,
           that
           which
           dyes
           or
           is
           sown
           which
           is
           earthly
           shall
           rise
           ,
           as
           we
           told
           these
           said
           accusers
           according
           to
           the
           Apostles
           comparison
           ,
           thou
           fool
           ,
           that
           which
           thou
           sowest
           is
           not
           quickned
           except
           it
           dye
           ,
           and
           that
           which
           thou
           sowest
           thou
           sowest
           not
           that
           body
           that
           shall
           be
           ,
           (
           mark
           ,
           thou
           sowest
           not
           that
           body
           that
           shall
           be
           )
           but
           bear
           grain
           it
           may
           chance
           of
           wheat
           or
           of
           some
           other
           grain
           ,
           1
           
             Cor.
          
           15.
           36
           ,
           37.
           contrary
           to
           which
           they
           have
           affirmed
           ,
           that
           the
           same
           body
           that
           dyes
           or
           is
           sown
           in
           the
           earth
           shall
           raise
           again
           ,
           when
           the
           Apostle
           saith
           ,
           thou
           sowest
           not
           that
           body
           that
           shall
           be
           ,
           and
           his
           comparison
           is
           of
           the
           grain
           of
           wheat
           and
           the
           like
           ,
           to
           which
           
             Thomas
             Moor
          
           answered
           ,
           
             That
             the
             same
             kirnel
             of
             wheat
             rose
             up
             again
             in
             the
             blade
             ,
          
           when
           it
           is
           known
           that
           the
           same
           kirnel
           doth
           not
           rise
           ,
           but
           another
           body
           or
           ear
           of
           Corn
           grows
           forth
           in
           the
           nature
           of
           that
           wch
           is
           sown
           ,
           &
           yet
           we
           say
           that
           God
           giveth
           a
           body
           as
           it
           pleaseth
           him
           ,
           &
           to
           every
           seed
           his
           own
           body
           ,
           which
           seeds
           being
           known
           ,
           &
           &
           the
           nature
           and
           kind
           of
           each
           seed
           discerned
           ,
           the
           body
           of
           each
           may
           be
           discerned
           in
           the
           Resurrection
           by
           the
           light
           wch
           crosseth
           
           mens
           carnal
           imaginations
           ,
           by
           which
           they
           must
           never
           know
           the
           Mystery
           of
           the
           Resurrection
           of
           the
           bodies
           nor
           the
           seeds
           ,
           wch
           the
           Lord
           knoweth
           how
           to
           reserve
           every
           one
           in
           its
           own
           center
           and
           habitation
           till
           the
           sounding
           of
           the
           last
           Trumpet
           at
           the
           last
           day
           ,
           and
           there
           shall
           be
           a
           Resurrection
           both
           of
           the
           just
           and
           the
           unjust
           ,
           and
           many
           that
           sleep
           in
           the
           dust
           of
           the
           earth
           shall
           rise
           ,
           some
           shall
           come
           forth
           to
           the
           Resurrection
           of
           life
           ,
           and
           others
           to
           the
           Resurrection
           of
           Condemnation
           ,
           every
           one
           to
           be
           rewarded
           according
           to
           their
           works
           ;
           and
           
             John
          
           said
           ,
           
             The
             Sea
             gave
             up
             the
             dead
             which
             were
             in
             it
             ,
             and
             death
             and
             Hell
             delivered
             up
             the
             dead
             which
             were
             in
             them
             ,
             &
             they
             were
             Judged
             every
             man
             according
             to
             their
             works
             ,
             &
             death
             and
             Hell
             were
             cast
             into
             the
             lake
             of
             fire
             ,
             &
             whosoever
             was
             not
             found
             written
             in
             the
             Book
             of
             Life
             ,
          
           Rev.
           2.
           
           And
           now
           this
           being
           an
           answer
           to
           their
           Question
           about
           the
           Resurrection
           ,
           note
           ,
           that
           when
           
             Thomas
             Moor
          
           was
           asked
           what
           was
           the
           seed
           of
           which
           the
           Apostle
           said
           God
           giveth
           it
           a
           body
           as
           it
           pleaseth
           him
           ?
           
             Tho.
             Moor
          
           answered
           ,
           that
           the
           seed
           was
           the
           body
           that
           dyes
           or
           is
           laid
           in
           the
           ground
           ,
           which
           he
           pleaded
           for
           the
           rising
           of
           ,
           to
           which
           it
           was
           Replyed
           then
           ,
           that
           every
           man
           must
           rise
           with
           two
           bodies
           ,
           if
           that
           body
           that
           is
           terrestrial
           must
           rise
           and
           have
           another
           body
           given
           it
           ,
           but
           herein
           his
           ignorance
           was
           seen
           ;
           and
           again
           ,
           he
           and
           
             John
             Horn
          
           have
           confuted
           themselves
           ,
           for
           in
           their
           Post-script
           they
           say
           ,
           
             That
             the
             Apostle
             implying
             plainly
             ,
             that
             the
             raised
             body
             in
             the
             Resurrection
             shall
             not
             be
             flesh
             and
             blood
             ;
          
           Then
           how
           is
           it
           that
           they
           have
           pleaded
           so
           much
           for
           the
           same
           earthly
           body
           that
           dies
           to
           rise
           again
           ,
           which
           is
           a
           body
           of
           flesh
           and
           blood
           ,
           when
           the
           raised
           body
           in
           the
           Resurrection
           is
           not
           a
           body
           of
           flesh
           and
           blood
           they
           say
           ?
           these
           men
           are
           much
           shut
           up
           in
           
             Babylon
             ,
          
           as
           their
           confusion
           manifests
           .
        
         
           An
           accusation
           of
           
             John
             Horn
          
           and
           
             Tho.
             Moor
             against
             John
             Whitehead
             to
             prove
             him
             a
             Reprobate
             ,
          
           p.
           6.
           
           
             Is
             that
             John
             argued
             against
             the
             Redemption
             of
             the
             body
             to
             be
             waited
             for
             or
             expected
             after
             death
             ,
          
           and
           said
           ,
           
             The
             Apostle
             had
             it
             before
             the
             death
             of
             the
             body
             ;
          
           and
           in
           p.
           10.
           
           
             They
             tell
             of
             the
             nature
             or
             being
             of
             man
             ,
             that
             in
             the
             Resurrection
             it
             is
             discharged
             of
             sin
             ,
             and
             Law
             ,
             and
             death
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           So
           here
           they
           expect
           not
           the
           Redemption
           of
           the
           body
           nor
           their
           discharge
           from
           sin
           till
           after
           death
           ,
           wherein
           they
           have
           discovered
           themselves
           to
           be
           Reprobates
           and
           not
           
             John
             Whitehead
             ,
          
           and
           their
           expecting
           the
           Redemption
           of
           the
           body
           to
           be
           waited
           
           for
           after
           death
           ,
           is
           contrary
           to
           the
           Saints
           expectations
           ,
           for
           they
           waited
           and
           groaned
           for
           the
           Redemption
           of
           the
           body
           from
           under
           corruption
           when
           they
           were
           upon
           earth
           ,
           and
           the
           Creature
           it self
           was
           to
           be
           brought
           into
           the
           glorious
           liberty
           of
           the
           Sons
           of
           God
           ,
           which
           state
           was
           witnessed
           by
           as
           many
           as
           were
           led
           by
           the
           Spirit
           of
           God
           who
           were
           sanctified
           throughout
           ,
           in
           Body
           ,
           in
           Soul
           and
           Spirit
           ,
           and
           put
           not
           Redemption
           afar
           off
           till
           after
           death
           ,
           as
           these
           men
           aforementioned
           have
           done
           .
        
         
           Again
           ,
           They
           have
           accused
           us
           for
           
             Antichristians
             ,
          
           from
           a
           passage
           in
           
             Edward
             Burroughs
          
           Book
           ,
           where
           it
           is
           said
           ,
           That
           Christ
           is
           to
           be
           known
           after
           the
           Spirit
           as
           he
           was
           before
           the
           world
           was
           ,
           and
           that
           is
           the
           knowledge
           of
           him
           which
           is
           to
           eternal
           Salvation
           .
           On
           the
           contrary
           they
           have
           affirmed
           in
           page
           7.
           
           
             That
             the
             knowledge
             of
             Christ
             after
             the
             Spirit
             as
             he
             was
             before
             the
             world
             was
             ,
             is
             not
             the
             knowledge
             of
             him
             to
             eternal
             Salvation
             ,
             but
             on
             the
             contrary
             (
             they
             say
             .
             )
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           In
           this
           they
           have
           shewed
           themselves
           to
           be
           both
           abusers
           of
           the
           Truth
           and
           Antichristians
           ;
           for
           to
           know
           Christ
           as
           he
           is
           the
           power
           of
           God
           ,
           is
           to
           know
           him
           after
           the
           Spirit
           as
           he
           was
           before
           the
           world
           was
           ,
           and
           this
           is
           the
           knowledge
           of
           him
           to
           Eternal
           Salvation
           ,
           it
           is
           the
           Power
           of
           God
           that
           saveth
           ,
           and
           we
           trust
           in
           the
           living
           God
           who
           is
           the
           Saviour
           of
           all
           men
           ,
           specially
           of
           them
           that
           believe
           ,
           1
           
             Tim.
          
           4.
           10.
           
           Now
           as
           Christ
           is
           the
           living
           God
           ,
           he
           was
           before
           the
           world
           was
           ,
           and
           we
           are
           in
           him
           that
           is
           true
           ,
           even
           in
           his
           Son
           Jesus
           Christ
           ,
           this
           is
           the
           true
           God
           and
           eternal
           life
           ,
           1
           
             John
          
           5.
           20.
           
           And
           now
           I
           say
           ,
           they
           that
           receive
           this
           knowledge
           of
           Christ
           ,
           do
           not
           deny
           his
           knowledge
           in
           his
           flesh
           ,
           but
           witness
           to
           the
           same
           eternal
           Power
           that
           was
           manifest
           in
           his
           flesh
           ,
           and
           thorow
           his
           sufferings
           ,
           which
           Power
           was
           before
           the
           world
           was
           ,
           and
           hath
           the
           same
           glory
           that
           it
           had
           then
           ,
           and
           is
           the
           same
           for
           ever
           .
        
         
           And
           in
           page
           7.
           it
           is
           said
           against
           the
           Quakers
           ,
           
             That
             they
             can
             and
             may
             in
             their
             canting
             language
             say
             ,
             he
             is
             manifest
             in
          
           England
           ,
           
             and
             is
             persecuted
             ,
             and
             dyes
             ,
             and
             rises
             as
             well
             as
             in
          
           Judea
           
             and
          
           Jerusalem
           ,
           
             however
             they
             make
             nothing
             of
             his
             being
             born
             ,
             suffering
             and
             dying
             in
             the
             flesh
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Now
           when
           
             J.
             Horn
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moor
          
           can
           truly
           prove
           nothing
           against
           us
           called
           
             Quakers
             ,
          
           they
           have
           invented
           these
           wicked
           lyes
           against
           us
           ,
           which
           we
           utterly
           deny
           ,
           and
           here
           charge
           them
           for
           forgers
           of
           lyes
           ;
           
             Job
          
           13.
           4.
           for
           we
           never
           used
           any
           
           such
           canting
           language
           ,
           as
           they
           call
           it
           ,
           against
           Christ
           ,
           but
           own
           his
           sufferings
           in
           
             Judea
          
           and
           
             Jerusalem
             ,
          
           as
           he
           was
           a
           true
           offering
           and
           propitiation
           for
           the
           sins
           of
           the
           whole
           world
           ,
           whose
           sufferings
           were
           effectual
           both
           for
           the
           pacifying
           of
           his
           Fathers
           wrath
           and
           for
           the
           reconciling
           of
           the
           whole
           world
           ,
           as
           is
           witnessed
           by
           them
           who
           receive
           the
           Power
           of
           his
           life
           ,
           which
           was
           manifest
           thorow
           death
           to
           them
           that
           truely
           believed
           thorow
           Christs
           sufferings
           ;
           and
           in
           page
           9.
           the
           said
           
             J.
             Horn
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moor
          
           have
           belyed
           
             George
             Whitehead
             ,
          
           in
           saying
           that
           
             he
             alleadging
          
           2
           Cor.
           5.
           16.
           
             to
             prove
             that
             the
             Apostles
             did
             not
             know
             Christ
             as
             one
             that
             suffered
             in
             the
             flesh
             ,
             or
             to
             be
             in
             the
             flesh
             ;
          
           which
           is
           exceeding
           false
           ,
           for
           that
           Scripture
           henceforth
           we
           know
           no
           man
           after
           the
           flesh
           ,
           and
           though
           we
           had
           known
           Christ
           after
           the
           flesh
           ,
           yet
           henceforth
           know
           we
           him
           so
           no
           more
           ,
           it
           was
           brought
           against
           your
           knowledge
           which
           is
           but
           carnal
           ,
           and
           stands
           in
           imaginations
           ,
           who
           neither
           truly
           know
           Christ
           as
           he
           was
           in
           the
           flesh
           ,
           nor
           after
           the
           Spirit
           ,
           but
           contend
           against
           the
           knowing
           of
           him
           as
           he
           was
           before
           the
           world
           was
           ,
           (
           and
           as
           you
           say
           you
           neglect
           Christ
           )
           and
           so
           against
           the
           knowledge
           of
           the
           glory
           of
           God
           ,
           as
           a
           knowledge
           to
           Salvation
           ;
           when
           as
           they
           neither
           knew
           Christ
           ,
           nor
           any
           man
           after
           the
           flesh
           ,
           but
           after
           the
           Spirit
           ,
           they
           knew
           Christ
           and
           one
           another
           in
           that
           Spirit
           and
           Power
           in
           them
           which
           was
           before
           the
           world
           was
           ,
           but
           this
           knowledge
           you
           are
           out
           of
           ,
           who
           know
           but
           naturally
           .
        
         
           In
           page
           9
           ,
           10.
           
           J.
           Horn
           and
           T.
           Moor
           again
           
             affirm
             ,
             that
             the
             nature
             of
             man
             as
             in
             Christ
             ,
             is
             perfectly
             freed
             from
             sin
             and
             curse
             ,
             and
             without
             spot
             of
             sin
             ,
             and
             the
             same
             nature
             of
             man
             ,
             even
             in
             believers
             ,
             having
             sin
             in
             it
             as
             a
             naturall
             Heritage
             from
             the
             first
          
           Adam
           
             fallen
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           See
           their
           gross
           error
           and
           confusion
           ,
           which
           is
           as
           much
           as
           to
           affirm
           that
           as
           the
           nature
           of
           man
           is
           in
           the
           believers
           ,
           it
           's
           separate
           from
           Christ
           ,
           and
           so
           believers
           in
           Christ
           having
           sin
           in
           them
           originally
           from
           
             Adam
          
           as
           a
           natural
           heritage
           ,
           so
           they
           would
           make
           believers
           have
           two
           heritages
           ,
           a
           naturall
           ,
           and
           a
           spirituall
           ;
           an
           old
           delusion
           of
           the
           Priests
           ;
           for
           the
           true
           believers
           are
           in
           Christ
           ,
           and
           by
           his
           power
           do
           witness
           their
           nature
           purified
           ,
           by
           that
           which
           brings
           out
           of
           
             Adams
          
           fallen
           state
           ,
           to
           witness
           a
           better
           heritage
           then
           sin
           in
           their
           nature
           ;
           for
           they
           that
           are
           in
           Christ
           ,
           have
           escaped
           the
           corruptions
           of
           the
           world
           ,
           and
           witness
           an
           incorruptible
           heritage
           in
           the
           divine
           nature
           ,
           and
           this
           is
           known
           as
           there
           is
           an
           
           biding
           in
           Christ
           ,
           the
           power
           of
           God
           .
        
         
           And
           in
           page
           1●
           .
           they
           charge
           us
           with
           denying
           the
           humanity
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           say
           we
           judge
           him
           only
           a
           spirit
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           We
           never
           denyed
           the
           man
           Christ
           ,
           for
           his
           flesh
           is
           our
           food
           ;
           &
           for
           our
           owning
           Christ
           to
           be
           a
           spirit
           ,
           the
           Apostles
           owned
           him
           to
           be
           the
           same
           ,
           the
           Lord
           is
           that
           spirit
           ,
           and
           the
           last
           
             Adam
          
           was
           made
           a
           quickening
           spirit
           ,
           2
           
             Cor.
             3.
             1●
             .
             1
             Cor.
          
           15.
           45.
           
        
         
           Again
           
             they
             have
             affirmed
             that
             Christ
             is
             personally
             in
             heaven
             ,
             and
             yet
             by
             faith
             in
             the
             believing
             heart
             ;
          
           and
           that
           he
           is
           not
           really
           and
           personally
           in
           believers
           ,
           as
           in
           heaven
           ,
           but
           by
           faith
           ;
           
             and
             yet
          
           Moor
           
             before
             said
             ,
             that
             Christs
             person
             of
             flesh
             and
             bone
             is
             a
             quickening
             spirit
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           If
           Christ
           is
           not
           really
           in
           the
           believers
           ,
           and
           if
           his
           being
           in
           them
           by
           faith
           is
           not
           reall
           ,
           then
           it
           is
           but
           imaginary
           ,
           herein
           J.
           Horn
           and
           T.
           Moore
           ,
           have
           manifested
           their
           faith
           to
           be
           no
           better
           then
           the
           Papists
           faith
           ,
           as
           I
           told
           them
           ,
           wherein
           I
           did
           not
           belye
           them
           as
           they
           accuse
           me
           ,
           for
           the
           faith
           of
           the
           Elect
           doth
           really
           evidence
           to
           them
           Christ
           in
           them
           the
           mystery
           ,
           and
           the
           power
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           this
           faith
           is
           not
           divided
           from
           Christ
           the
           object
           or
           foundation
           of
           it
           .
        
         
           And
           now
           concerning
           the
           blood
           of
           Christ
           shed
           ,
           which
           
             T.
             Moore
          
           at
           the
           dispute
           owned
           to
           be
           the
           foundation
           of
           your
           faith
           ,
           and
           yet
           affirmed
           that
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           is
           in
           heaven
           ,
           with
           flesh
           and
           bones
           ,
           but
           not
           the
           blood
           in
           it
           ,
           and
           so
           knew
           not
           where
           the
           blood
           is
           ;
           
             Now
             they
             tell
             us
             in
             page
             11.
             that
             his
             blood
             was
             shed
             or
             powred
             out
             for
             the
             Remission
             of
             our
             sins
             ,
             and
             in
             the
             vertues
             of
             it
             is
             with
             the
             Father
             ,
             and
             so
             in
             and
             with
             Christ
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Herein
           they
           have
           plainly
           confuted
           themselves
           ;
           for
           they
           also
           confess
           that
           they
           could
           not
           assert
           where
           the
           material
           blood
           (
           as
           they
           call
           it
           )
           or
           blood
           of
           Christ
           shed
           is
           ,
           and
           yet
           now
           say
           ,
           that
           in
           the
           vertues
           of
           it
           is
           with
           the
           Father
           ,
           and
           in
           and
           with
           Christ
           ;
           so
           
             J.
             Horn
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moons
          
           hearers
           may
           now
           see
           how
           they
           have
           confuted
           their
           former
           Doctrine
           ,
           who
           before
           would
           not
           own
           that
           the
           blood
           of
           Christ
           shed
           is
           in
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           ,
           yet
           now
           say
           it
           is
           with
           the
           Father
           ,
           and
           in
           Christ
           in
           the
           vertues
           of
           it
           ;
           and
           now
           to
           clear
           themselves
           from
           our
           telling
           them
           that
           they
           preached
           a
           foundation
           of
           Faith
           which
           they
           knew
           not
           where
           it
           is
           ,
           and
           which
           according
           to
           their
           own
           confession
           before
           ,
           they
           knew
           not
           whether
           it
           is
           in
           being
           or
           not
           .
        
         
           They
           tell
           us
           ,
           
             That
             the
             dying
             of
             Christ
             or
             his
             death
             is
             the
             foundation
             
             of
             their
             faith
             ,
             and
             yet
             this
             dying
             as
             to
             the
             act
             of
             it
             is
             not
             alwayes
             in
             being
             ,
             nor
             is
             the
             blood
             simply
             the
             foundation
             of
             their
             faith
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Here
           again
           they
           have
           preached
           that
           to
           be
           the
           foundation
           of
           their
           Faith
           which
           is
           not
           in
           being
           ,
           when
           as
           the
           foundation
           of
           the
           true
           Faith
           is
           Christ
           ,
           who
           is
           in
           being
           ,
           and
           another
           foundation
           can
           no
           man
           lay
           ,
           then
           that
           which
           is
           laid
           ,
           which
           is
           Christ
           ;
           and
           as
           for
           what
           he
           acted
           in
           sufferings
           ,
           that
           was
           done
           that
           thorow
           his
           sufferings
           and
           works
           men
           might
           believe
           in
           him
           who
           worketh
           Faith
           in
           them
           ,
           and
           know
           him
           to
           be
           the
           foundation
           of
           Faith
           who
           is
           in
           being
           ,
           and
           not
           that
           which
           is
           not
           in
           being
           ,
           as
           they
           imagine
           and
           have
           declared
           ,
           and
           they
           now
           owning
           the
           blood
           of
           Christ
           shed
           not
           simply
           to
           be
           the
           foundation
           of
           their
           faith
           ,
           then
           if
           they
           own
           it
           as
           part
           of
           the
           foundation
           of
           their
           Faith
           ,
           then
           are
           they
           still
           at
           a
           loss
           ,
           for
           they
           know
           not
           where
           it
           is
           ;
           and
           so
           according
           to
           their
           own
           words
           they
           want
           part
           of
           the
           foundation
           of
           their
           faith
           ,
           we
           blame
           them
           not
           ,
           neither
           did
           we
           blame
           them
           for
           not
           asserting
           that
           the
           blood
           shed
           is
           in
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           ,
           but
           for
           calling
           it
           the
           foundation
           of
           their
           faith
           (
           whether
           they
           own
           it
           so
           simply
           or
           compoundedly
           seeing
           they
           know
           not
           where
           the
           blood
           is
           ,
           nor
           whether
           it
           is
           in
           being
           ;
           and
           so
           we
           blamed
           them
           for
           their
           confusion
           ,
           and
           establishing
           a
           blind
           and
           dead
           faith
           .
        
         
           T.
           M.
           his
           instance
           for
           Christs
           being
           in
           Heaven
           with
           a
           body
           of
           flesh
           and
           bones
           without
           blood
           in
           it
           ,
           was
           ,
           that
           we
           do
           not
           read
           that
           there
           was
           any
           blood
           in
           
             Adams
          
           body
           in
           Paradice
           ;
           for
           which
           he
           might
           as
           well
           have
           said
           ,
           that
           then
           
             Adams
          
           body
           in
           Paradice
           had
           no
           life
           in
           it
           (
           and
           such
           a
           body
           they
           imagine
           Christs
           to
           be
           )
           when
           as
           the
           blood
           is
           the
           life
           ,
           and
           all
           Nations
           are
           made
           of
           one
           blood
           ,
           
             Acts
          
           17.
           26.
           
           Now
           we
           ask
           them
           if
           they
           believe
           that
           there
           was
           no
           blood
           left
           in
           Christs
           body
           when
           he
           was
           crucified
           ?
           And
           when
           T
           M.
           had
           pleaded
           for
           a
           body
           of
           flesh
           and
           bones
           in
           the
           Heavens
           ,
           he
           did
           not
           own
           that
           Christs
           body
           there
           is
           a
           carnal
           body
           ;
           see
           how
           flatly
           therein
           he
           contradicted
           his
           own
           words
           and
           the
           Priests
           doctrine
           ,
           for
           Priest
           
             Higginson
          
           and
           others
           affirmed
           ,
           that
           Christ
           is
           in
           Heaven
           with
           a
           carnal
           body
           ;
           but
           his
           body
           i●
           a
           Mistery
           which
           these
           men
           of
           
             Babylon
          
           can
           never
           know
           ,
           who
           are
           thus
           in
           confusion
           ;
           for
           Christs
           body
           is
           onely
           known
           with
           that
           by
           which
           God
           is
           seen
           and
           known
           ,
           who
           is
           not
           the
           Authour
           of
           their
           confusion
           ,
           but
           of
           peace
           .
        
         
           And
           in
           page
           12.
           
           T
           M.
           and
           J.
           H.
           speak
           as
           that
           
             Job
          
           said
           ,
           Behold
           ,
           God
           is
           great
           ,
           we
           know
           him
           not
           ,
           and
           to
           prove
           it
           ,
           bring
           
             Job
          
           36
           26.
           which
           is
           a
           sad
           mistake
           against
           
             Job
             .
          
           for
           it
           was
           
             Elihu
          
           that
           spoke
           these
           words
           who
           was
           one
           of
           them
           that
           spoke
           against
           
             Joh
             ,
             Joh
          
           35.
           2
           and
           26.
           1.
           for
           
             Job
          
           knew
           God
           when
           they
           that
           came
           against
           him
           did
           not
           ;
           but
           this
           their
           Accusation
           against
           
             Job
          
           is
           even
           like
           
             John
             Horns
          
           pleading
           for
           sin
           in
           a
           Letter
           to
           
             Eliz.
             Underwood
             ,
          
           for
           
           which
           he
           brought
           
             Eliphaz
          
           his
           words
           ,
           (
           who
           was
           one
           of
           them
           that
           came
           against
           
             Job
             ,
          
           and
           sooke
           not
           the
           thing
           of
           God
           that
           was
           right
           )
           where
           he
           said
           in
           
             Job
          
           4.
           1●
           ,
           and
           15.
           14
           ,
           15.
           
           Behold
           ,
           he
           put
           no
           trust
           in
           his
           servants
           ,
           and
           his
           Angels
           he
           charged
           with
           folly
           ,
           which
           were
           none
           of
           
             Jobs
          
           words
           ,
           but
           his
           against
           whom
           the
           wrath
           of
           God
           was
           kindled
           ,
           
             Job
          
           42.
           7.
           and
           in
           like
           manner
           hath
           
             John
             Horn
          
           often
           belyed
           the
           servants
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           both
           in
           his
           Book
           and
           ●a●se
           Letters
           which
           he
           sent
           abroad
           in
           the
           Countrey
           to
           several
           that
           were
           brought
           to
           see
           his
           deceit
           ,
           and
           therefore
           are
           turned
           from
           him
           ,
           and
           many
           more
           of
           his
           lyes
           in
           several
           of
           his
           Letters
           against
           us
           I
           could
           produce
           i.
           occasioned
           to
           it
           .
        
         
           In
           page
           12.
           
           
             J.
             Horn
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moor
          
           say
           ,
           
             That
             it
             is
             rather
             a
             vertue
             to
             which
             we
             are
             advised
             not
             to
             be
             wise
             ,
             or
             think
             or
             guess
             above
             what
             is
             written
             ;
          
           but
           presently
           they
           begin
           to
           guess
           that
           which
           is
           not
           written
           ,
           and
           so
           confound
           themselves
           in
           their
           saying
           ,
           
             That
             there
             are
             indeed
             very
             probable
             arguments
             used
             to
             prove
             that
             that
             precious
             blood
             was
             reunited
             again
             with
             the
             body
             of
             Christ
             in
             the
             Resurrection
             .
          
        
         
           But
           how
           shall
           any
           that
           are
           ignorant
           believe
           them
           ,
           or
           be
           instructed
           with
           their
           confusion
           ?
           For
           again
           they
           have
           (
           to
           mend
           this
           their
           matter
           )
           confuted
           these
           they
           call
           very
           probable
           arguments
           ,
           to
           prove
           that
           Christs
           blood
           was
           reunited
           again
           with
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           ,
           for
           in
           contradiction
           to
           this
           ,
           in
           their
           Post-script
           they
           say
           ,
           
             But
             these
             being
             but
             probabilities
             at
             most
             ,
             and
             on
             the
             other
             side
             the
             Scriptures
             speaking
             of
             Christs
             Resurrection
             ,
             mentioning
             only
             that
             which
             was
             buried
             ,
             without
             any
             mention
             of
             his
             blood
             reunited
             ;
          
           So
           from
           hence
           we
           clearly
           see
           that
           
             J.
             Horn
          
           and
           some
           of
           his
           Company
           have
           had
           much
           reasoning
           about
           the
           blood
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           are
           in
           themselves
           confounded
           about
           it
           ,
           one
           while
           saying
           that
           there
           are
           very
           probable
           arguments
           to
           prove
           that
           it
           was
           reunited
           again
           with
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           ,
           another
           while
           not
           owning
           that
           it
           was
           reunited
           again
           ,
           and
           with
           that
           they
           conclude
           ;
           See
           what
           blind
           guides
           these
           men
           are
           ,
           we
           might
           have
           received
           as
           good
           an
           answer
           from
           School-boyes
           about
           the
           blood
           of
           Christ
           ,
           as
           they
           might
           have
           guessed
           at
           it
           ,
           as
           
             J.
             Horn
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moor
          
           hath
           done
           ,
           and
           have
           told
           us
           ,
           that
           it
           is
           either
           in
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           ,
           or
           not
           in
           it
           ;
           But
           mark
           how
           again
           they
           have
           guessed
           about
           it
           ,
           They
           say
           in
           page
           12.
           
           
             Again
             that
             which
             was
             blood
             before
             may
             be
             in
             the
             changed
             state
             turned
             into
             pure
             life
             and
             spirit
             ,
             the
             thing
             or
             substance
             remaining
             .
          
        
         
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Here
           again
           they
           have
           guessed
           ,
           and
           thought
           above
           that
           which
           is
           written
           ,
           and
           how
           can
           blood
           be
           turned
           into
           spirits
           and
           the
           substance
           of
           it
           remaining
           ?
           this
           is
           a
           meer
           dream
           and
           one
           of
           
             John
             Hornes
          
           divinations
           ,
           and
           it
           contradicts
           
             Moores
          
           words
           ,
           for
           he
           said
           that
           the
           life
           of
           Christ
           is
           not
           in
           his
           blood
           ;
           Again
           if
           the
           blood
           that
           Christ
           shed
           be
           turned
           into
           pure
           spirits
           and
           life
           ,
           what
           is
           his
           body
           of
           flesh
           and
           bones
           turned
           into
           ?
           or
           what
           reason
           is
           there
           that
           his
           blood
           should
           be
           altered
           more
           then
           his
           flesh
           and
           bones
           ?
           but
           all
           this
           confusion
           and
           dirty
           stuff
           of
           
             John
             Hornes
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moores
          
           is
           seen
           thorow
           and
           made
           manifest
           with
           the
           true
           light
           ,
           in
           which
           they
           that
           walk
           shall
           feel
           the
           blood
           of
           Christ
           ,
           which
           cleanseth
           from
           all
           sin
           ,
           and
           know
           that
           the
           spirit
           the
           water
           and
           blood
           ,
           which
           bear
           record
           in
           the
           earth
           agree
           in
           one
           ,
           and
           the
           blood
           is
           the
           life
           ,
           which
           is
           in
           Christ
           ,
           whose
           body
           is
           not
           a
           body
           without
           the
           blood
           in
           it
           ,
           as
           these
           dreamars
           aforesaid
           imagines
           ;
           and
           as
           the
           Prophet
           said
           ,
           we
           witness
           ,
           that
           by
           the
           blood
           of
           the
           Covenant
           the
           prisoners
           are
           sent
           out
           of
           the
           pit
           which
           can
           hold
           no
           water
           .
        
         
           Again
           in
           
             pag.
          
           14.
           
           We
           are
           falsly
           accused
           with
           denying
           what
           the
           Scripture
           asserts
           about
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           the
           Resurrection
           of
           mens
           bodies
           ,
           and
           about
           the
           knowledge
           of
           Christ
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Here
           we
           see
           plainly
           that
           this
           
             John
             Horne
             ,
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
             ,
          
           do
           love
           lying
           rather
           then
           to
           speak
           righteousness
           ,
           for
           we
           own
           what
           the
           Scripture
           asserts
           about
           the
           body
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           the
           Resurrection
           ,
           but
           deny
           their
           imaginations
           ;
           and
           here
           again
           I
           shall
           bring
           their
           own
           words
           to
           confute
           them
           ,
           in
           
             pag.
          
           5.
           they
           have
           confessed
           that
           we
           said
           (
           of
           Christs
           body
           )
           
             that
             the
             same
             body
             that
             suffered
             was
             glorified
             at
             Gods
             right
             hand
             in
             Heaven
             ,
          
           which
           might
           have
           stopt
           their
           mouths
           from
           accusing
           us
           as
           they
           did
           ;
           and
           as
           for
           our
           not
           asserting
           that
           the
           same
           earthly
           bodies
           of
           men
           shall
           rise
           again
           ,
           they
           have
           in
           their
           post-script
           confessed
           ,
           
             that
             the
             raised
             body
             in
             the
             resurrection
             shall
             not
             be
             flesh
             and
             blood
             ;
          
           to
           which
           I
           say
           ,
           then
           not
           that
           body
           which
           is
           sown
           or
           buried
           ,
           for
           that
           is
           a
           body
           of
           flesh
           and
           blood
           ;
           Again
           touching
           Christs
           appearance
           after
           his
           resurrection
           ,
           when
           he
           shewed
           his
           Disciples
           his
           hands
           and
           his
           feet
           ,
           we
           do
           not
           believe
           
           that
           his
           body
           then
           had
           no
           blood
           in
           it
           ,
           for
           he
           then
           did
           eat
           before
           them
           of
           the
           broiled
           fish
           and
           honny
           comb
           which
           they
           gave
           him
           ,
           which
           is
           nourishment
           to
           both
           flesh
           and
           blood
           ,
           
             Luke
          
           24.
           41.
           42.
           and
           the
           blood
           is
           the
           life
           of
           that
           which
           hath
           need
           of
           such
           outward
           nourishment
           ,
           yea
           the
           life
           of
           all
           flesh
           is
           the
           blood
           ,
           
             Gen.
             9.
             4.
             5.
             
             Levit.
          
           17.
           14.
           but
           as
           Christ
           is
           Ascended
           into
           his
           Fathers
           glory
           in
           Heaven
           ,
           he
           is
           in
           a
           further
           state
           ,
           for
           he
           hath
           not
           need
           now
           of
           such
           outward
           nourishment
           as
           broiled
           fish
           ,
           or
           a
           hony
           comb
           ,
           for
           he
           is
           in
           the
           same
           glory
           which
           he
           had
           with
           the
           Father
           before
           the
           world
           began
           ;
           and
           as
           for
           the
           Saints
           also
           ,
           their
           bodies
           in
           the
           resurrection
           shall
           as
           far
           exceed
           these
           our
           earthen
           bodies
           in
           glory
           ,
           as
           the
           glory
           of
           the
           Sun
           ,
           Moon
           and
           Stars
           do
           exceed
           the
           glory
           of
           Birds
           ,
           Beasts
           ,
           and
           Fishes
           ,
           but
           the
           mystery
           of
           these
           things
           is
           for
           ever
           sealed
           as
           in
           Parables
           from
           such
           blind
           guides
           as
           these
           aforesaid
           ,
           who
           have
           long
           abused
           the
           truth
           of
           Christ
           .
        
         
           In
           
             p.
             14.
             
             John
             Horne
          
           and
           
             Moore
          
           have
           affirmed
           ,
           
             The
             Scriptures
             to
             be
             the
             Medium
             of
             Faith
             ,
          
           from
           
             John
          
           17.
           20.
           where
           it
           s
           said
           ,
           neither
           pray
           I
           for
           these
           alone
           ,
           but
           for
           them
           also
           which
           shall
           believe
           on
           me
           through
           their
           word
           ,
           and
           
             Acts
          
           17.
           11.
           12.
           of
           the
           
             Bereans
          
           searching
           the
           Scriptures
           ,
           &c.
           
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           There
           is
           no
           such
           Scripture
           as
           saith
           ,
           that
           the
           Scriptures
           are
           the
           
             Medium
          
           of
           Faith
           ,
           for
           they
           through
           whose
           word
           many
           believed
           were
           not
           Ministers
           of
           the
           Letter
           ,
           but
           of
           the
           spirit
           ,
           and
           their
           Word
           was
           before
           the
           Letter
           or
           writing
           was
           ,
           and
           it
           came
           in
           Spirit
           and
           in
           Power
           ,
           and
           this
           Word
           which
           they
           Preached
           was
           nigh
           people
           ,
           even
           in
           their
           hearts
           ,
           
             Rom.
          
           10.
           
           And
           as
           for
           the
           
             Bereans
          
           they
           first
           received
           the
           Word
           with
           all
           readiness
           of
           minde
           ,
           and
           then
           searched
           the
           Scriptures
           ,
           whether
           these
           things
           were
           so
           ;
           so
           it
           was
           the
           Word
           which
           brought
           them
           to
           believe
           and
           to
           search
           the
           Scriptures
           ,
           and
           so
           we
           say
           the
           Scriptures
           are
           truely
           to
           be
           believed
           and
           fulfilled
           ,
           but
           that
           which
           brings
           any
           truely
           to
           believe
           and
           fulfill
           them
           ,
           is
           Christ
           the
           Word
           ,
           the
           Author
           and
           finisher
           of
           faith
           ,
           unto
           whom
           they
           would
           not
           come
           for
           life
           ,
           who
           thought
           they
           had
           Eternal
           life
           in
           the
           Scriptures
           ,
           
             Joh.
          
           5.
           39
           40.
           
        
         
           In
           
             pag.
             15
             John
             Horne
             ,
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
          
           have
           accused
           
             John
             
             Whitehead
             with
             saying
             that
             the
             Apostles
             did
             not
             bring
             light
             to
             men
             ,
             but
             onely
             pointed
             to
             what
             they
             had
             before
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
             John
             Whitehead
          
           doth
           witness
           against
           them
           for
           perverting
           his
           words
           ,
           as
           it
           hath
           been
           examined
           ;
           the
           words
           are
           not
           so
           affirmed
           by
           him
           ,
           but
           this
           we
           say
           ,
           that
           the
           Apostles
           did
           not
           bring
           another
           light
           to
           people
           then
           that
           which
           had
           enlightned
           them
           before
           they
           Preacht
           to
           them
           ,
           and
           though
           the
           light
           was
           more
           in
           the
           Apostles
           then
           in
           them
           they
           Preacht
           to
           ,
           yet
           it
           was
           the
           same
           in
           nature
           in
           both
           ,
           though
           known
           in
           several
           measures
           ,
           and
           they
           who
           will
           not
           own
           the
           light
           in
           the
           least
           measure
           of
           it
           in
           them
           ,
           they
           must
           not
           know
           the
           greater
           ,
           nor
           the
           glory
           ,
           which
           the
           light
           of
           Christ
           shining
           in
           the
           heart
           gives
           the
           knowledge
           of
           in
           them
           that
           receive
           it
           .
        
         
           Again
           ,
           
             Horne
          
           and
           
             Moore
          
           say
           ,
           
             Indeed
             this
             is
             a
             main
             piece
             of
             corrupt
             Doctrine
          
           (
           that
           we
           Preach
           )
           
             that
             all
             have
             the
             light
             of
             Christ
             in
             them
             ,
             and
             that
             that
             is
             ,
             whatsoever
             reproves
             any
             sin
             in
             men
             .
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           Here
           they
           might
           as
           well
           have
           accused
           Christ
           and
           the
           Apostles
           for
           using
           corrupt
           Doctrine
           ;
           for
           Christ
           saith
           ,
           I
           am
           the
           light
           of
           the
           world
           ,
           and
           
             John
          
           said
           of
           him
           ,
           that
           was
           the
           true
           light
           which
           enlightneth
           every
           man
           that
           comes
           into
           the
           world
           ,
           and
           that
           which
           may
           be
           known
           of
           God
           is
           manifest
           in
           them
           who
           are
           in
           unrighteousness
           ,
           and
           like
           not
           to
           retain
           God
           in
           their
           knowledge
           ,
           
             Rom.
          
           1.
           and
           the
           grace
           of
           God
           which
           bringeth
           salvation
           hath
           appeared
           to
           all
           men
           ,
           and
           this
           is
           the
           free
           gift
           of
           God
           ,
           which
           if
           it
           were
           not
           given
           to
           all
           men
           ,
           then
           wherefore
           shall
           the
           wicked
           be
           condemned
           ?
           and
           what
           is
           it
           in
           them
           that
           must
           leave
           them
           without
           excuse
           ,
           and
           who
           can
           you
           shew
           us
           that
           have
           not
           a
           light
           of
           Christ
           in
           them
           to
           reprove
           them
           when
           they
           have
           done
           evil
           ?
           And
           you
           have
           again
           here
           wickedly
           wronged
           us
           ,
           for
           we
           do
           not
           affirm
           that
           whatsoever
           reproves
           any
           sin
           is
           the
           light
           of
           Christ
           ;
           but
           whatsoever
           makes
           manifest
           things
           that
           are
           reproved
           is
           light
           ,
           and
           the
           light
           reproves
           every
           sin
           ;
           But
           such
           as
           you
           that
           are
           in
           deceit
           and
           out
           of
           the
           light
           ,
           do
           sometimes
           reprove
           sin
           when
           you
           live
           in
           it
           your selves
           ,
           but
           the
           light
           of
           Christ
           in
           you
           will
           reprove
           you
           for
           it
           .
        
         
           Again
           in
           
             p.
          
           16.
           
           You
           
             John
             Horn
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
          
           say
           ,
           
             That
             
             this
             way
             of
             ours
             exposes
             men
             to
             follow
             their
             own
             spirits
             ,
             which
             we
             represent
             as
             a
             candle
             in
             every
             man
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           This
           is
           false
           ,
           for
           our
           way
           exposes
           men
           not
           to
           follow
           their
           own
           spirits
           ,
           nor
           sparkes
           of
           their
           own
           kindling
           as
           you
           say
           ,
           but
           to
           follow
           the
           light
           of
           Christ
           ,
           which
           lighteth
           the
           spirit
           of
           a
           man
           ,
           and
           makes
           it
           become
           the
           candle
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           that
           it
           enlightens
           the
           inward
           parts
           .
           Another
           of
           your
           lies
           against
           us
           ,
           is
           ,
           where
           in
           
             pag.
          
           17.
           you
           accuse
           
             George
             Whitehead
          
           with
           deriding
           at
           mens
           faith
           in
           the
           death
           and
           bloodshed
           of
           Christ
           beyond
           the
           Sea
           ,
           for
           they
           who
           truely
           have
           faith
           and
           hope
           through
           Christs
           sufferings
           which
           reacheth
           within
           the
           vail
           ,
           that
           is
           to
           say
           Christs
           flesh
           ,
           that
           faith
           we
           own
           ,
           as
           knowing
           the
           Word
           of
           it
           to
           be
           in
           the
           heart
           ,
           that
           we
           have
           it
           not
           to
           fetch
           beyond
           the
           Sea
           ,
           nor
           from
           above
           ,
           nor
           from
           beneath
           ,
           but
           it
           s
           nigh
           in
           the
           heart
           and
           in
           the
           mouth
           .
           And
           to
           our
           question
           which
           was
           ,
           whether
           the
           light
           that
           lighteth
           every
           man
           ,
           be
           a
           natural
           light
           ,
           or
           a
           spiritual
           light
           ?
        
         
           You
           
             John
             Horne
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moore
          
           answers
           
             (
             pag.
          
           17.
           18.
           )
           
             That
             that
             light
             is
             Christ
             ,
             and
             the
             light
             with
             which
             he
             lighteth
             men
             is
             both
             natural
             and
             spiritual
             .
          
        
         
           
             Reply
             ,
          
           Here
           again
           you
           are
           taken
           in
           your
           own
           snare
           ,
           for
           in
           your
           saying
           the
           light
           is
           both
           natural
           and
           spiritual
           (
           mark
           ,
           it
           is
           not
           the
           lights
           are
           both
           natural
           and
           spiritual
           ,
           but
           the
           light
           is
           so
           )
           here
           you
           could
           not
           prove
           one
           light
           that
           is
           both
           natural
           and
           spiritual
           ,
           and
           contrary
           to
           the
           Scriptures
           have
           you
           spoken
           ,
           for
           in
           Christ
           was
           life
           ,
           and
           the
           life
           was
           the
           light
           of
           men
           ,
           which
           is
           not
           natural
           but
           spiritual
           ,
           therefore
           this
           your
           errour
           may
           lie
           upon
           you
           .
        
         
           In
           
             pag.
          
           18.
           
           You
           say
           ,
           
             That
             for
             so
             much
             as
             all
             men
             receive
             not
             Christ
             and
             his
             light
             ,
             therefore
             all
             have
             not
             his
             light
             in
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           This
           is
           a
           poor
           Argument
           ;
           the
           Spirit
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           and
           the
           grace
           of
           God
           hath
           appeared
           in
           many
           who
           have
           resisted
           it
           and
           not
           received
           it
           ,
           and
           a
           measure
           of
           it
           is
           in
           such
           to
           condemn
           them
           ,
           as
           the
           Kingdom
           of
           God
           was
           in
           the
           Scribes
           and
           Pharisces
           ,
           and
           yet
           they
           received
           it
           not
           nor
           Christ
           ,
           when
           they
           hated
           him
           ;
           And
           to
           that
           of
           
             Isai.
          
           8.
           20.
           where
           it
           is
           said
           there
           is
           no
           light
           in
           them
           ,
           
             John
             Horne
          
           saith
           the
           word
           in
           
           the
           Hebrew
           is
           sometimes
           used
           to
           signifie
           
             the
             morning
          
           (
           and
           we
           have
           read
           it
           ,
           no
           morning
           in
           stead
           of
           no
           light
           )
           but
           then
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             Christ
             is
             called
             the
             morning
             Star
             ,
             so
             that
             if
             there
             be
             no
             morning
             light
             in
             man
             ,
             there
             is
             none
             of
             his
             light
             who
             is
             the
             morning
             light
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Here
           his
           ignorance
           appears
           again
           ,
           for
           the
           light
           of
           Christ
           shines
           in
           darkness
           in
           some
           before
           the
           morning
           ,
           and
           that
           led
           some
           to
           the
           arising
           of
           the
           Day-star
           in
           their
           Hearts
           ,
           and
           so
           the
           light
           of
           Christ
           ,
           who
           is
           the
           morning
           light
           to
           some
           ,
           appears
           as
           a
           Candle
           in
           the
           darkness
           to
           others
           ,
           and
           is
           not
           the
           morning
           light
           to
           them
           ,
           until
           they
           by
           it
           see
           the
           morning
           in
           them
           ,
           and
           the
           light
           which
           hath
           shined
           in
           darkness
           arising
           out
           of
           darkness
           ,
           so
           that
           the
           light
           of
           Christ
           is
           both
           the
           evening
           light
           and
           the
           morning
           light
           .
        
         
           
             Page
          
           19.
           
           Again
           
             John
             Horn
             ,
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
          
           have
           accused
           
             us
             ,
             with
             telling
             Mr.
             Townsend
             ,
          
           (
           as
           they
           call
           him
           )
           
             That
             the
             light
             was
             wholly
             departed
             from
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Herein
           have
           you
           impudently
           belyed
           us
           ;
           for
           the
           words
           against
           
             Townsend
          
           are
           not
           so
           spoken
           ,
           but
           that
           from
           the
           light
           of
           God
           in
           his
           Conscience
           he
           is
           departed
           ;
           so
           blush
           ,
           and
           be
           ashamed
           of
           your
           lyes
           ;
           for
           in
           like
           manner
           did
           a
           false
           Priest
           in
           
             Cambridge
          
           belye
           us
           ,
           (
           in
           a
           lying
           Pamphlet
           )
           with
           the
           very
           same
           thing
           .
        
         
           In
           
             Page
          
           20.
           you
           
             John
             Horn
             ,
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
             ,
          
           have
           
             accused
          
           James
           Nayler
           
             with
             his
             discovering
             more
             fully
             the
             mysterie
             of
             Deceit
             ,
          
           (
           in
           his
           Book
           called
           ,
           
             Love
             to
             the
             Lost
             )
          
           in
           saying
           ,
           
             That
             the
             Seed
             to
             which
             the
             Promise
             was
             made
             ,
             and
             which
             few
             know
             ,
             is
             a
             certain
             Seed
             or
             Principle
             in
             man
             ,
             desiring
             to
             follow
             after
             God
             ,
             and
             to
             be
             free
             from
             sin
             .
          
        
         
           
             Reply
             .
          
           Here
           you
           are
           seen
           to
           be
           ignorant
           of
           the
           Seed
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           enemies
           to
           it
           in
           his
           People
           ,
           which
           Seed
           is
           Christ
           ,
           and
           where-ever
           he
           is
           known
           in
           such
           a
           low
           measure
           ,
           as
           a
           Seed
           that
           suffers
           ,
           and
           is
           burthened
           in
           man
           by
           corruption
           ,
           there
           he
           desires
           to
           be
           free
           from
           the
           burthen
           of
           sin
           ,
           and
           alwayes
           to
           do
           his
           Fathers
           will
           ,
           and
           this
           Seed
           the
           power
           reaches
           to
           ,
           where
           it
           is
           begotten
           ,
           and
           in
           the
           power
           it
           arises
           in
           them
           that
           believe
           in
           the
           light
           for
           their
           Redemption
           ;
           and
           the
           Apostle
           travelled
           again
           for
           the
           
             Galatians
          
           until
           Christ
           was
           formed
           in
           
           them
           ,
           who
           first
           is
           known
           as
           one
           without
           form
           or
           comliness
           ;
           and
           so
           the
           seed
           of
           God
           suffers
           in
           some
           ,
           and
           in
           others
           it
           reigns
           ,
           and
           is
           known
           to
           be
           Prince
           of
           Peace
           ;
           and
           this
           is
           no
           Mystery
           of
           Deceit
           (
           as
           you
           say
           )
           but
           a
           mystery
           that
           hath
           discovered
           your
           Deceit
           ,
           who
           know
           not
           the
           Seed
           of
           the
           Kingdom
           ,
           nor
           the
           power
           wherein
           it
           rises
           ;
           and
           have
           you
           never
           known
           what
           Christ
           is
           without
           the
           Camp
           ?
           But
           before
           you
           (
           who
           are
           neglecters
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           abusers
           of
           his
           truth
           )
           can
           know
           the
           Seed
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           what
           it
           is
           in
           you
           ,
           you
           must
           come
           to
           the
           light
           which
           will
           condemn
           you
           for
           your
           Deceits
           and
           Lyes
           with
           which
           you
           have
           abused
           the
           Truth
           ,
           and
           then
           learn
           to
           know
           what
           and
           where
           the
           grave
           is
           which
           Christ
           hath
           made
           with
           the
           Wicked
           .
        
         
           
             J.
             Horn
             ,
          
           and
           
             T.
             Moore
             ,
          
           in
           
             Page
          
           20.
           saith
           ,
           
             But
             I
             shall
             adde
             no
             more
             ,
             but
             only
             desire
             People
             to
             beware
             of
             them
             as
             a
             heavy
             judgement
             of
             God
             ,
             that
             he
             hath
             ordered
             to
             us
             ,
             to
             punish
             us
             for
             our
             neglect
             of
             Christ
             ,
             the
             Salvation
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             the
             Truth
             of
             him
             so
             long
             abused
             by
             us
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Here
           you
           have
           made
           manifest
           your selves
           indeed
           ,
           ye
           Hypocrites
           ;
           what
           have
           ye
           been
           crying
           out
           of
           the
           
             Quakers
          
           calling
           them
           deceivers
           ,
           and
           warning
           the
           people
           to
           beware
           of
           them
           ,
           and
           Writing
           against
           them
           ,
           and
           judging
           them
           to
           be
           in
           delusion
           and
           error
           ,
           when
           ye
           your selves
           neglect
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           have
           long
           abused
           his
           Truth
           ?
           (
           as
           ye
           are
           made
           to
           confess
           )
           consider
           your
           own
           Conditions
           ,
           ye
           are
           in
           great
           delusion
           and
           error
           your selves
           who
           neglect
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           have
           long
           abused
           his
           Truth
           ,
           and
           ye
           are
           not
           like
           ,
           neither
           can
           ye
           bring
           people
           to
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           and
           his
           Truth
           ,
           who
           are
           neglectors
           of
           Christ
           Gods
           Salvation
           and
           his
           Truth
           your selves
           ;
           Therefore
           people
           had
           need
           take
           heed
           and
           beware
           of
           following
           you
           ,
           lest
           ye
           lead
           them
           to
           neglect
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           to
           abuse
           his
           Truth
           more
           and
           more
           ;
           you
           are
           the
           Hypocrites
           that
           are
           not
           to
           judge
           ,
           whose
           beam
           is
           yet
           in
           your
           own
           eyes
           ,
           for
           wherein
           ye
           judge
           others
           for
           error
           and
           delusion
           ,
           ye
           condemn
           your selves
           ,
           ye
           being
           such
           (
           as
           ye
           confess
           )
           that
           neglect
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           abuse
           his
           Truth
           ,
           and
           if
           we
           be
           (
           as
           ye
           say
           )
           a
           Judgment
           ordered
           of
           God
           to
           punish
           you
           for
           your
           neglect
           of
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           the
           
           Truth
           of
           him
           so
           long
           abused
           by
           you
           ,
           Why
           do
           you
           not
           then
           bear
           the
           Judgment
           of
           God
           more
           patiently
           ,
           seeing
           ye
           have
           sinned
           so
           against
           him
           in
           abusing
           his
           Truth
           ,
           and
           in
           neglecting
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           ?
           Why
           do
           you
           rage
           so
           against
           Gods
           Judgment
           ?
           Here
           all
           People
           may
           see
           ,
           That
           ye
           are
           not
           satisfied
           nor
           content
           with
           what
           God
           hath
           ordered
           unto
           you
           for
           your
           neglect
           of
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           the
           Truth
           of
           him
           so
           long
           abused
           by
           you
           ;
           but
           we
           shall
           yet
           be
           a
           heavier
           Judgment
           upon
           you
           ,
           for
           we
           are
           a
           burthensome-Stone
           to
           all
           the
           ungodly
           ,
           and
           the
           more
           ye
           strive
           against
           us
           ,
           the
           greater
           will
           be
           your
           Torment
           ;
           therefore
           give
           over
           your
           Teaching
           of
           others
           ,
           and
           be
           ashamed
           of
           your
           blindness
           and
           wickedness
           and
           repent
           ,
           and
           cease
           striving
           and
           raging
           against
           the
           Truth
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           us
           his
           People
           ;
           for
           the
           more
           ye
           strive
           against
           us
           (
           and
           the
           Truth
           which
           we
           live
           in
           ,
           and
           are
           Witnesses
           of
           ,
           which
           Truth
           is
           Christ
           ,
           who
           also
           is
           in
           us
           ,
           which
           is
           the
           Riches
           of
           the
           Mysterie
           which
           hath
           been
           hid
           from
           Ages
           and
           Generations
           ,
           but
           is
           now
           revealed
           in
           the
           Saints
           by
           the
           light
           )
           Mark
           ,
           the
           greater
           will
           be
           your
           Judgment
           and
           burthen
           ;
           and
           this
           ye
           shall
           witness
           to
           be
           true
           :
           so
           abuse
           Gods
           Truth
           no
           longer
           ,
           neither
           neglect
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           as
           ye
           have
           done
           ,
           but
           submit
           to
           Gods
           Judgment
           ,
           and
           learn
           to
           prize
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           and
           his
           Truth
           ,
           and
           believe
           therein
           ,
           and
           fight
           no
           longer
           against
           the
           Lord
           and
           his
           Truth
           and
           Servants
           ,
           lest
           he
           shorten
           your
           dayes
           and
           cut
           you
           off
           :
           So
           remember
           you
           are
           warned
           ,
           whether
           you
           will
           hear
           or
           forbear
           .
        
         
           John
           Horn
           
             and
          
           Thomas
           Moore
           ,
           
             And
             indeed
             the
             cause
             of
             then
             prevalency
             is
             ,
             partly
             in
             the
             Teachers
             ,
             and
             partly
             in
             the
             people
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           The
           cause
           of
           our
           prevailing
           is
           not
           in
           man
           ,
           but
           in
           God
           ,
           even
           the
           mighty
           powerful
           prefence
           of
           the
           Lord
           which
           doth
           accompany
           us
           ,
           whereby
           we
           reach
           the
           faithful
           Witness
           of
           God
           in
           people
           ,
           which
           answereth
           to
           the
           Truth
           of
           God
           declared
           by
           us
           ,
           and
           thereby
           many
           are
           turned
           from
           darknesse
           to
           light
           ,
           and
           from
           Satans
           power
           unto
           God
           ,
           and
           we
           must
           prevail
           more
           and
           more
           ,
           for
           the
           Lord
           is
           opening
           peoples
           eyes
           ,
           and
           he
           will
           teach
           them
           himself
           ,
           and
           many
           people
           begins
           to
           see
           the
           deceipt
           and
           wickedness
           of
           such
           Teachers
           as
           ye
           are
           
           who
           abuse
           Gods
           Truth
           ,
           and
           neglect
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           ;
           and
           although
           you
           have
           a
           form
           of
           godliness
           (
           and
           have
           stoln
           many
           true
           words
           )
           yet
           many
           people
           sees
           you
           to
           be
           out
           of
           the
           power
           ,
           (
           and
           fighters
           against
           it
           ,
           and
           them
           that
           be
           in
           it
           )
           and
           so
           they
           will
           turn
           away
           from
           you
           ;
           and
           all
           that
           sets
           themselves
           against
           us
           shall
           fall
           before
           us
           ,
           for
           the
           Lord
           is
           with
           us
           and
           takes
           our
           part
           .
        
         
           See
           
             J.
             Horn's
          
           Testimony
           against
           his
           Brethren
           the
           Priests
           .
        
         
           
             John
             Horn
             ,
             Thomas
             Moore
             ,
          
           pag.
           20
           ,
           21.
           
           
             Too
             many
             of
             the
             Teachers
             are
             such
             as
          
           Isaiah
           
             speakes
             of
             ,
          
           Isa.
           56.
           1●
           ,
           11
           ,
           12.
           
             his
             Watchmen
             (
             which
             should
             watch
             for
             the
             good
             of
             men
             )
             are
             too
             generally
             blind
             ,
             the
             Vision
             of
             all
             the
             Preaching
             of
             the
             Cross
             of
             Christ
             is
             a
             sealed
             Book
             to
             them
             ,
             they
             are
             ignorant
             ,
             they
             are
             dumb
             Dogs
             that
             cannot
             bark
             ,
             (
             to
             give
             warning
             of
             these
             Beasts
             ,
             or
             to
             set
             themselves
             to
             discover
             and
             detect
             them
             )
             sleeping
             in
             their
             security
             ,
             and
             lying
             down
             loving
             to
             slumber
             ,
             to
             take
             their
             ease
             and
             peace
             ,
             and
             to
             content
             themselves
             with
             Dreams
             instead
             of
             searching
             out
             Truth
             ,
             and
             giving
             it
             forth
             to
             the
             People
             ;
             yea
             ,
             they
             are
             Dogs
             strong
             to
             appetite
             ,
             greedy
             Dogs
             ,
             hunting
             after
             Livings
             and
             Maintenances
             ,
             more
             Means
             ,
             and
             so
             never
             have
             enough
             ,
             too
             many
             of
             them
             Shepherds
             that
             cannot
             understand
             ,
             they
             all
             look
             to
             their
             own
             way
             ,
             every
             one
             for
             his
             gain
             from
             his
             Quarters
             ;
             that
             is
             ,
             are
             more
             mindful
             of
             the
             Fleece
             then
             the
             Flock
             ,
             and
             many
             of
             them
             given
             to
             voluptuousness
             ;
             Come
             ,
             and
             I
             will
             fetch
             Wine
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Many
           true
           words
           have
           you
           here
           uttered
           against
           (
           your
           Brethren
           )
           the
           Teachers
           ,
           but
           if
           ye
           be
           thus
           divided
           against
           your selves
           ,
           surely
           ye
           are
           not
           like
           to
           stand
           ;
           the
           hand
           of
           the
           Lord
           is
           turned
           against
           you
           who
           would
           stir
           up
           your
           Brethren
           ,
           the
           Dogs
           ,
           to
           bark
           against
           us
           ,
           and
           to
           bite
           and
           devour
           the
           Lambs
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           now
           ye
           lay
           open
           one
           anothers
           nakedness
           ;
           but
           as
           for
           your
           railing
           and
           calling
           of
           us
           
             Beasts
             ,
          
           that
           will
           come
           upon
           your
           own
           heads
           ,
           and
           your
           words
           shall
           become
           your
           burthen
           .
           And
           as
           for
           thee
           
             John
             Horn
          
           especially
           ,
           thou
           canst
           not
           clear
           thy self
           from
           being
           one
           of
           those
           Dogs
           ,
           (
           which
           ye
           say
           look
           for
           their
           gain
           from
           their
           Quarter
           )
           for
           thou
           lookest
           for
           thy
           gain
           from
           thy
           Quarter
           ,
           and
           art
           an
           Hireling
           ,
           who
           pleads
           for
           (
           and
           takes
           )
           Tythes
           ;
           And
           it
           is
           true
           ,
           That
           ye
           (
           who
           pretend
           your selves
           to
           be
           watchmen
           )
           are
           too
           generally
           blind
           and
           ignorant
           ,
           and
           ye
           have
           no
           true
           vision
           ,
           for
           
           Night
           is
           come
           upon
           all
           the
           Hireling
           Teachers
           ,
           yea
           the
           Sun
           is
           set
           upon
           you
           all
           ,
           and
           so
           the
           blind
           leads
           the
           blind
           ,
           and
           both
           falls
           into
           the
           ditch
           ;
           So
           poor
           people
           may
           see
           ,
           how
           they
           have
           given
           their
           money
           (
           for
           that
           which
           is
           not
           bread
           ,
           and
           their
           labour
           for
           that
           which
           could
           not
           satisfie
           )
           even
           to
           uphold
           a
           company
           of
           ignorant
           blind
           watchmen
           that
           could
           not
           understand
           ;
           for
           the
           Preaching
           of
           the
           Cross
           of
           Christ
           (
           which
           is
           the
           power
           of
           God
           )
           hath
           been
           a
           sealed
           Book
           to
           them
           ,
           even
           to
           uphold
           such
           as
           have
           contented
           themselves
           with
           Dreams
           ,
           and
           have
           been
           given
           to
           voluptuousness
           ,
           and
           have
           long
           abused
           Gods
           Truth
           ,
           and
           neglected
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           ,
           as
           ye
           confess
           of
           your selves
           and
           others
           ;
           so
           ye
           are
           witnesses
           against
           your selves
           :
           Ye
           Idol
           Shepherds
           (
           who
           have
           not
           profited
           the
           people
           )
           the
           Lord
           is
           stretching
           out
           his
           hand
           ,
           to
           gather
           and
           deliver
           his
           Sheep
           out
           of
           your
           mouths
           ,
           that
           ye
           may
           no
           longer
           make
           a
           prey
           upon
           them
           ,
           who
           through
           your
           Covetousness
           and
           fained
           words
           have
           long
           made
           Merchandize
           of
           people
           .
        
         
           J.
           Horn
           ,
           T.
           Moore
           ,
           
             The
             Lord
             help
             us
             to
             search
             and
             try
             our
             wayes
             ,
             and
             to
             see
             how
             much
             (
             any
             of
             us
             )
             have
             contributed
             to
             the
             overflowing
             flood
             of
             this
             ungodliness
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           The
           Lord
           hath
           searched
           and
           tryed
           your
           hearts
           and
           wayes
           ,
           and
           he
           hath
           found
           you
           guilty
           of
           much
           ungodliness
           ,
           and
           his
           light
           hath
           often
           made
           you
           sensible
           of
           it
           ,
           and
           judged
           you
           for
           it
           ;
           and
           the
           Lord
           hath
           oft
           called
           unto
           you
           to
           forsake
           your
           ungodliness
           ,
           though
           ye
           have
           long
           slighted
           the
           Call
           of
           the
           Lord
           ,
           and
           hardened
           your
           hearts
           against
           his
           reproof
           ;
           Therefore
           repent
           and
           dread
           the
           Lord
           ,
           and
           take
           heed
           lest
           that
           come
           upon
           you
           ,
           that
           when
           ye
           call
           upon
           the
           Lord
           he
           will
           not
           answer
           you
           .
        
         
           John
           Horn
           ,
           Thomas
           Moore
           ,
           
             Surely
             some
             mens
             Principles
             that
             would
             be
             counted
             Orthodox
             ,
             give
             ,
             and
             have
             given
             them
             great
             advantage
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Many
           corrupt
           Principles
           do
           you
           and
           your
           fellow-Teachers
           hold
           ,
           which
           we
           are
           made
           to
           witness
           against
           ,
           (
           that
           so
           the
           People
           may
           see
           your
           Deceits
           ,
           and
           not
           be
           led
           into
           your
           Imaginations
           any
           longer
           )
           several
           of
           yours
           are
           made
           manifest
           in
           this
           
             Book
             ,
          
           as
           about
           
             Christs
             Body
             ,
             and
             Blood
             ,
             and
             
             Resurrection
             of
             the
             Body
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           And
           after
           ye
           have
           reckoned
           up
           many
           things
           which
           ye
           say
           those
           that
           would
           be
           counted
           Orthodox
           hold
           ,
           whereby
           ye
           say
           we
           get
           great
           advantage
           ,
           ye
           then
           proceed
           as
           followeth
           .
        
         
           John
           Horn
           ,
           Thomas
           Moore
           ;
           
             But
             besides
             this
             ,
             too
             general
             Ignorance
             ,
             Sloth
             ,
             Covetousness
             ,
             Pride
             found
             in
             too
             many
             Ministers
             ,
             gives
             advantage
             to
             them
             ;
             even
             like
             Foxes
             and
             Wolves
             ,
             to
             ●●●laim
             against
             the
             vigilent
             Shepherds
             too
             ,
             as
             if
             all
             were
             but
             Hirelings
             ,
             and
             so
             that
             the
             Flock
             ought
             rather
             to
             betrust
             themselves
             with
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Great
           is
           the
           Ignorance
           ,
           Sloth
           ,
           Covetousness
           ,
           and
           Pride
           which
           is
           generally
           found
           indeed
           in
           you
           who
           are
           called
           Ministers
           ,
           which
           in
           the
           power
           of
           the
           Lord
           we
           are
           oft
           moved
           to
           declare
           against
           ;
           but
           we
           do
           not
           take
           Advantage
           thereby
           ,
           (
           as
           ye
           Lyingly
           and
           Railingly
           accuse
           us
           )
           to
           declaim
           against
           the
           vigilent
           Shepherds
           ,
           as
           if
           all
           were
           but
           Hirelings
           ;
           for
           we
           put
           a
           great
           difference
           betwixt
           the
           Proud
           ,
           Covetous
           ,
           Slothful
           Hirelings
           ,
           and
           the
           vigilent
           Shepherds
           ;
           for
           we
           own
           the
           vigilent
           Shepherds
           ,
           whom
           the
           Holy
           Spirit
           hath
           made
           Overseers
           over
           the
           Flock
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           have
           true
           Unity
           with
           them
           ,
           and
           we
           know
           that
           they
           are
           not
           Hirelings
           ,
           for
           they
           have
           freely
           Received
           ,
           and
           they
           freely
           Give
           ;
           and
           covet
           no
           mans
           Silver
           ,
           Gold
           nor
           Apparrel
           ,
           but
           seeks
           the
           People
           ,
           and
           not
           theirs
           ;
           for
           having
           Food
           and
           Raiment
           ,
           they
           are
           therewithal
           content
           ,
           and
           receives
           it
           of
           them
           also
           that
           do
           receive
           them
           and
           imbrace
           the
           Truth
           ;
           and
           we
           labour
           to
           bring
           People
           unto
           Christ
           the
           power
           of
           God
           ,
           that
           People
           may
           betrust
           themselves
           with
           him
           ,
           who
           is
           the
           good
           Shepherd
           ,
           and
           Bishop
           of
           the
           Soul
           .
        
         
           John
           Horn
           ,
           Thomas
           Moore
           ;
           
             But
             it
             is
             good
             for
             People
             to
             mind
             first
             ,
             That
             all
             are
             not
             Hirelings
             that
             take
             Hire
             ,
             witness
          
           Zach.
           11.
           12.
           2
           Cor.
           11.
           8.
           
           
             Secondly
             ,
             That
             it
             is
             safer
             for
             the
             Sheep
             to
             a●ide
             with
             their
             Hirelings
             ,
             if
             their
             Shepherds
             be
             such
             ,
             then
             to
             l●ave
             them
             ,
             and
             go
             to
             Foxes
             and
             Wolves
             ;
             Christ
             faults
             the
             Hir●lings
             for
             leaving
             the
             Sheep
             to
             the
             Wolves
             ,
             but
             never
             wills
             his
             Sheep
             to
             leave
             Hirelings
             if
             they
             will
             feed
             them
             in
             the
             Pa●●ures
             of
          
           Israel
           .
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Here
           the
           people
           may
           see
           your
           exceeding
           ignorance
           
           and
           blindnesse
           in
           your
           pleading
           for
           taking
           hire
           ,
           who
           say
           that
           all
           are
           not
           Hirelings
           that
           take
           hire
           ,
           and
           for
           your
           witnesse
           and
           proof
           ,
           you
           have
           brought
           that
           Scripture
           in
           
             Zach.
          
           which
           although
           the
           Prophet
           spoke
           those
           words
           ,
           yet
           it
           is
           evident
           that
           he
           spoke
           them
           by
           way
           of
           prophecy
           concerning
           
             Judas
          
           (
           who
           afterwards
           should
           ask
           a
           price
           for
           Christ
           and
           fell
           him
           ,
           which
           prophesie
           came
           to
           passe
           ;
           for
           
             Judas
          
           said
           to
           the
           Jews
           who
           sought
           to
           take
           Christ
           ,
           
             what
             will
             you
             give
             me
             ,
             and
             I
             will
             deliver
             him
             unto
             you
             ?
          
           and
           they
           covenanted
           with
           him
           for
           thirty
           pieces
           of
           silver
           ;
           so
           it
           appears
           by
           your
           words
           that
           you
           would
           perswade
           the
           people
           that
           
             Judas
          
           was
           no
           Hireling
           ;
           for
           it
           is
           evident
           that
           that
           which
           ye
           bring
           for
           your
           witness
           ,
           was
           spoken
           concerning
           
             Judas
             ,
          
           who
           asked
           for
           the
           price
           or
           hire
           ,
           and
           received
           it
           ;
           so
           
             Judas
          
           is
           your
           witnesse
           and
           example
           for
           asking
           and
           taking
           of
           hire
           (
           and
           not
           Christ
           )
           
             Mat.
          
           ●6
           .
           15.
           so
           the
           people
           may
           mind
           this
           ,
           (
           mark
           )
           that
           it
           was
           
             Judas
          
           the
           betrayer
           of
           Christ
           ,
           that
           asked
           for
           the
           hire
           and
           covenanted
           for
           it
           ,
           and
           those
           that
           rejected
           Christ
           and
           were
           chief
           actors
           in
           the
           murthering
           of
           him
           ,
           they
           gave
           the
           hire
           ;
           and
           then
           was
           fulfilled
           that
           which
           was
           spoken
           by
           the
           Prophet
           ,
           read
           
             Mat.
          
           27.
           and
           what
           the
           Apostle
           took
           of
           the
           Churches
           (
           for
           his
           relief
           )
           which
           received
           the
           truth
           ,
           amongst
           whom
           he
           sometimes
           laboured
           ,
           that
           will
           not
           prove
           that
           it
           is
           lawful
           for
           the
           Priests
           to
           take
           Tithes
           and
           Hire
           of
           all
           sorts
           of
           people
           that
           have
           Land
           in
           Parishes
           whither
           the
           people
           own
           them
           or
           not
           ,
           as
           it
           is
           evident
           that
           the
           Priests
           do
           ;
           And
           the
           Hirelings
           and
           all
           devouring
           Beasts
           are
           in
           one
           Nature
           ,
           and
           it
           is
           not
           safer
           for
           the
           Sheep
           (
           as
           ye
           have
           falsely
           said
           )
           to
           abide
           with
           the
           one
           then
           the
           other
           ,
           for
           neither
           of
           them
           cares
           for
           the
           Sheep
           no
           further
           then
           to
           make
           a
           prey
           upon
           them
           ,
           and
           all
           such
           we
           bear
           a
           Testimony
           against
           ,
           being
           redeemed
           out
           of
           their
           Nature
           ;
           and
           it
           is
           the
           will
           of
           Christ
           that
           his
           sheep
           should
           leave
           the
           hirelings
           (
           for
           they
           care
           not
           for
           the
           Sheep
           )
           and
           that
           they
           should
           follow
           him
           and
           hear
           his
           voice
           ,
           and
           Christs
           sheep
           do
           so
           ,
           they
           hear
           Christs
           voice
           who
           have
           called
           them
           from
           the
           Hirelings
           and
           Strangers
           ,
           and
           their
           voices
           they
           will
           not
           regard
           ;
           And
           such
           as
           Christ
           sends
           to
           feed
           his
           Sheep
           in
           the
           Pastors
           of
           Israel
           ,
           they
           are
           no
           Hirelings
           (
           as
           ye
           foolishly
           imagine
           )
           but
           they
           have
           freely
           
           received
           ,
           and
           they
           freely
           give
           ,
           and
           such
           are
           not
           greedy
           of
           filthy
           lucre
           ,
           neither
           do
           they
           rèceive
           Tithes
           by
           a
           corrupt
           unjust
           Law
           made
           by
           Apostates
           (
           as
           thou
           
             John
             Horn
          
           dost
           )
           but
           they
           do
           what
           they
           do
           of
           a
           willing
           and
           a
           ready
           mind
           ,
           and
           are
           not
           hired
           to
           it
           for
           a
           certain
           sum
           ,
           but
           such
           if
           they
           have
           not
           of
           their
           own
           ,
           may
           and
           do
           receive
           Food
           and
           Rayment
           of
           such
           as
           receive
           them
           and
           their
           Testimony
           ;
           and
           this
           is
           according
           to
           the
           Apostles
           Doctrine
           ,
           and
           is
           owned
           and
           practised
           amongst
           us
           the
           Servants
           of
           the
           Lord
           (
           called
           
             Quakers
             )
          
           whom
           ye
           in
           your
           rayling
           ,
           lying
           accusations
           liken
           unto
           Foxes
           and
           Wolves
           ,
           but
           your
           words
           shall
           become
           your
           own
           burthen
           ,
           and
           with
           the
           Spirit
           of
           the
           Lord
           we
           see
           you
           in
           the
           devouring
           beastly
           Nature
           which
           the
           Lord
           is
           against
           ,
           and
           will
           rent
           .
        
         
           J.
           Horn
           T.
           Moor
           ,
           
             the
             people
             are
             too
             generally
             guilty
             too
             ,
             and
             lay
             themselves
             open
             to
             these
             delusions
             and
             deluders
             ,
             because
             too
             generally
             they
             neglect
             Christ
             and
             his
             Truth
             ,
             take
             no
             pleasure
             therein
             ,
             but
             rather
             in
             slothfulnesse
             ,
             formality
             ,
             covetousnesse
             pride
             and
             vanity
             in
             apparel
             ,
             and
             in
             many
             other
             things
             ,
             by
             which
             means
             they
             are
             in
             danger
             to
             perish
             ,
             whether
             they
             keep
             out
             of
             these
             mens
             snares
             or
             falls
             into
             them
             ;
             howbeit
             they
             are
             exposed
             to
             their
             snares
             thereby
             ,
             because
             they
             afford
             the
             deceivers
             matter
             to
             work
             upon
             ,
             can
             find
             many
             faults
             in
             them
             ,
             many
             things
             to
             accuse
             them
             of
             ,
             though
             some
             things
             that
             God
             never
             charged
             them
             with
             before
             these
             men
             came
             &
             set
             themselves
             Masters
             ;
             but
             in
             many
             things
             really
             evil
             ,
             they
             have
             too
             great
             advantage
             ,
             and
             mens
             consciences
             by
             the
             effect
             of
             the
             law
             in
             them
             (
             which
             is
             not
             Christ
             )
             bearing
             witnesse
             that
             they
             say
             true
             in
             those
             things
             that
             they
             fault
             them
             in
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Here
           it
           is
           manifest
           by
           your
           own
           words
           ,
           that
           ye
           are
           the
           false
           Prophets
           that
           have
           not
           profited
           the
           people
           ,
           that
           notwithstanding
           all
           your
           Preachings
           ,
           the
           people
           still
           neglect
           Christ
           and
           his
           Truth
           ,
           and
           take
           no
           pleasure
           therein
           ,
           but
           rather
           in
           slothfulness
           ,
           formality
           ,
           covetousnesse
           ,
           pride
           and
           vanity
           in
           apparel
           ,
           and
           in
           many
           other
           things
           ,
           and
           are
           in
           danger
           to
           perish
           whether
           they
           come
           after
           us
           or
           not
           as
           ye
           confess
           ;
           so
           it
           is
           clear
           to
           all
           that
           have
           any
           understanding
           ,
           that
           ye
           have
           not
           stood
           in
           the
           Counsel
           of
           God
           ,
           for
           if
           you
           had
           ,
           then
           you
           should
           have
           turned
           the
           people
           (
           that
           had
           received
           your
           
           Doctrine
           )
           from
           the
           evil
           of
           their
           way
           ,
           and
           from
           the
           evil
           of
           their
           doings
           ,
           
             Ier.
          
           23.
           but
           People
           have
           long
           received
           you
           and
           your
           Doctrine
           ,
           and
           yet
           live
           in
           their
           evil
           wayes
           :
           Therefore
           be
           ashamed
           and
           stop
           your
           mouths
           ye
           Hypocrites
           ,
           who
           also
           speaks
           against
           covetousnesse
           ,
           pride
           and
           vanitie
           in
           apparel
           in
           the
           People
           ,
           and
           of
           their
           neglect
           of
           Christ
           and
           his
           Truth
           ,
           when
           many
           of
           you
           their
           Teachers
           are
           found
           in
           covetousnesse
           ,
           Pride
           and
           vanity
           in
           apparel
           ,
           wearing
           your
           Cuffs
           and
           Ribbands
           ,
           (
           and
           White
           Boot-hose-tops
           )
           and
           Teaching
           for
           Tithes
           ,
           and
           Gifts
           ,
           and
           Rewards
           ,
           and
           most
           of
           these
           in
           particular
           thou
           
             Iohn
             Horn
          
           art
           guilty
           of
           ,
           and
           in
           the
           twentieth
           page
           of
           your
           Book
           ,
           ye
           confesse
           your selves
           to
           be
           guilty
           of
           the
           neglect
           of
           Christ
           the
           salvation
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           the
           abuse
           of
           his
           truth
           ;
           so
           here
           it
           is
           plain
           ,
           that
           wherein
           ye
           have
           judged
           others
           ,
           ye
           have
           condemned
           your selves
           ,
           
             Rom.
          
           2.
           1.
           and
           made
           it
           appear
           that
           you
           are
           like
           Priests
           like
           People
           ,
           
             Hos.
          
           4.
           9.
           and
           we
           whom
           the
           Lord
           have
           redeemed
           out
           of
           the
           vanity
           and
           wickednesse
           of
           this
           world
           ,
           do
           judge
           you
           for
           your
           wickednesse
           ,
           and
           bear
           our
           Testimony
           against
           it
           in
           that
           which
           hath
           redeemed
           us
           from
           it
           ;
           and
           although
           we
           are
           counted
           by
           you
           to
           be
           deceivers
           when
           we
           judge
           you
           for
           your
           wickednesse
           ,
           yet
           the
           Lord
           owns
           our
           judging
           of
           you
           ,
           because
           it
           is
           in
           that
           which
           answereth
           the
           effect
           of
           his
           Righteous
           Law
           in
           mens
           consciences
           ,
           which
           beareth
           witnesse
           that
           we
           speak
           true
           ,
           as
           you
           our
           enemies
           are
           made
           to
           confesse
           ;
           And
           it
           was
           the
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           that
           were
           manifested
           to
           Peoples
           consciences
           in
           the
           sight
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           not
           the
           deceivers
           ,
           for
           the
           effect
           of
           the
           Law
           in
           people
           where
           it
           was
           witnessed
           or
           was
           ,
           did
           not
           nor
           do
           not
           cause
           their
           consciences
           to
           bear
           witness
           to
           the
           deceivers
           Doctrine
           but
           against
           it
           ;
           so
           it
           is
           manifest
           that
           you
           judge
           contrary
           to
           the
           effect
           of
           the
           Law
           who
           have
           judged
           them
           to
           be
           deceivers
           ,
           whom
           mens
           consciences
           by
           the
           effect
           of
           the
           Law
           in
           them
           beareth
           witnesse
           unto
           ;
           And
           the
           Law
           in
           men
           (
           which
           witnesseth
           unto
           the
           truth
           and
           against
           sin
           )
           is
           light
           ,
           and
           it
           is
           the
           Law
           of
           the
           Spirit
           of
           Life
           which
           is
           in
           Christ
           Jesus
           ,
           which
           freeth
           (
           those
           that
           believe
           and
           walk
           in
           it
           )
           from
           the
           power
           of
           sin
           and
           death
           ,
           but
           those
           that
           believe
           not
           in
           it
           ,
           but
           hate
           it
           ,
           it
           beareth
           witness
           against
           them
           and
           their
           
           evil
           deeds
           ,
           and
           remains
           their
           condemnation
           ;
           and
           it
           is
           you
           that
           have
           set
           your selves
           masters
           (
           and
           not
           we
           )
           who
           exercise
           Lordship
           one
           over
           another
           ,
           and
           have
           mens
           persons
           in
           admiration
           ,
           and
           respect
           mens
           persons
           ,
           and
           calls
           (
           and
           are
           called
           of
           )
           men
           Masters
           ,
           contrary
           to
           Christs
           Doctrine
           ;
           but
           we
           ,
           although
           we
           be
           the
           Lords
           free
           men
           ,
           yet
           we
           are
           become
           servants
           unto
           many
           in
           the
           truth
           ,
           Ministring
           ,
           and
           labouring
           for
           the
           gathering
           of
           the
           scattered
           Seed
           .
        
         
           
             John
             Horn
             ,
             Thomas
             Moore
             ,
             They
             to
             get
             a
             partie
             (
             as
             the
             Jesuits
             do
             )
             exposing
             themselves
             to
             some
             abuses
             and
             sufferings
             from
             the
             rude
             people
             ,
             make
             themselves
             more
             like
             Chri●is
             Ministers
             to
             the
             simple
             people
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           We
           indeed
           suffer
           much
           for
           righteousness
           sake
           ,
           and
           for
           bearing
           our
           testimony
           against
           unrighteousness
           ,
           and
           you
           who
           are
           Teachers
           oft
           causeth
           our
           sufferings
           to
           be
           the
           greater
           ,
           by
           your
           lying
           and
           railing
           against
           us
           ,
           thereby
           stirring
           up
           the
           rude
           people
           to
           abuse
           us
           ,
           even
           as
           your
           forefathers
           the
           Priests
           and
           Pharisees
           did
           ,
           who
           stirred
           up
           the
           rude
           people
           against
           our
           Master
           Christ
           and
           his
           servants
           in
           former
           dayes
           ,
           for
           which
           the
           Lord
           will
           assuredly
           reward
           you
           in
           righteousness
           ;
           But
           we
           will
           in
           all
           things
           approve
           our selves
           as
           the
           Ministers
           of
           God
           ,
           in
           much
           patience
           ,
           in
           affliction
           ,
           in
           necessitie
           ,
           in
           distresses
           ,
           in
           stripes
           ,
           in
           imprisonments
           ,
           in
           tumults
           ,
           &c.
           
           2
           
             Cor.
          
           6
           and
           our
           lives
           are
           not
           dear
           unto
           us
           ,
           but
           are
           freely
           given
           up
           to
           serve
           the
           living
           God
           ,
           in
           spreading
           his
           living
           truth
           ,
           and
           it
           is
           for
           no
           other
           end
           ,
           God
           is
           our
           witness
           ,
           though
           ye
           wickedly
           judge
           otherwise
           .
           And
           then
           
             John
             Horn
             ,
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moore
          
           goes
           about
           to
           shew
           the
           cause
           why
           ,
           and
           how
           the
           people
           are
           overcome
           ,
           and
           led
           captive
           by
           the
           
             Quakers
             ,
          
           and
           say
           ,
        
         
           John
           Horn
           ,
           Thomas
           Moore
           ,
           
             It
             s
             through
             their
             own
             carelesness
             and
             formality
             ,
             or
             also
             through
             their
             Teachers
             ,
             they
             are
             not
             so
             instructed
             ,
             as
             to
             be
             able
             to
             examine
             and
             discern
             them
             ;
             Through
             their
             carelesness
             ,
             and
             weakness
             therethrough
             in
             their
             understanding
             of
             the
             things
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             conceiting
             themselves
             to
             know
             and
             be
             able
             to
             judge
             and
             discern
             of
             spirits
             ,
             they
             neglect
             the
             helpfulness
             ,
             and
             gifts
             of
             brethren
             ,
             as
             also
             the
             advice
             of
             their
             Teachers
             and
             instructors
             
             that
             have
             the
             oversight
             of
             them
             ,
             and
             spoken
             to
             them
             the
             Word
             of
             the
             Lord
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Oh
           be
           ashamed
           to
           see
           what
           a
           bad
           crop
           is
           brought
           forth
           ;
           what
           have
           you
           been
           Teachers
           so
           long
           ,
           and
           taking
           peoples
           mony
           for
           this
           ,
           that
           notwithstanding
           they
           have
           owned
           you
           and
           your
           Doctrine
           ,
           and
           followed
           you
           so
           long
           that
           yet
           they
           should
           bring
           forth
           no
           better
           fruits
           then
           these
           ,
           as
           carelesness
           ,
           and
           formality
           ,
           and
           conceitedness
           ,
           and
           neglect
           ,
           and
           weakness
           in
           understanding
           the
           things
           of
           God
           ?
           ye
           have
           sown
           but
           to
           the
           fleshly
           part
           ,
           and
           that
           's
           the
           cause
           you
           have
           such
           a
           corrupt
           crop
           ;
           And
           now
           we
           see
           your
           Kingdom
           is
           near
           falling
           ,
           who
           are
           accusing
           your
           fellow
           Teachers
           for
           not
           instructing
           the
           people
           ,
           so
           as
           to
           be
           able
           to
           examine
           and
           discern
           us
           ,
           and
           the
           people
           are
           led
           captive
           already
           who
           brings
           forth
           such
           bad
           fruits
           as
           these
           ,
           and
           had
           you
           spoken
           the
           Word
           of
           the
           Lord
           to
           them
           ,
           and
           they
           had
           believed
           it
           ,
           surely
           they
           would
           have
           brought
           forth
           better
           fruits
           ;
           but
           because
           you
           have
           but
           stoln
           from
           your
           neighbours
           much
           of
           what
           you
           have
           spoke
           ,
           and
           added
           your
           own
           imaginations
           thereto
           ,
           and
           hath
           run
           but
           the
           Lord
           hath
           not
           sent
           you
           ,
           that
           is
           the
           cause
           you
           have
           not
           profited
           the
           people
           ,
           though
           you
           have
           believed
           what
           you
           have
           spoke
           ,
           and
           have
           contended
           much
           for
           your
           Doctrine
           ,
           yet
           ye
           receiving
           it
           not
           from
           the
           Lord
           ,
           it
           was
           without
           life
           and
           power
           ,
           and
           so
           was
           not
           effectual
           to
           the
           people
           .
        
         
           John
           Horn
           ,
           Thomas
           Moore
           ,
           
             Oh
             that
             all
             both
             Ministers
             and
             people
             would
             yet
             be
             awakened
             to
             search
             and
             try
             our
             wayes
             ,
             and
             to
             make
             straight
             steps
             to
             our
             goings
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Yes
           ,
           ye
           had
           need
           to
           be
           awakned
           indeed
           ;
           for
           it
           is
           manifest
           that
           ye
           both
           Teachers
           and
           people
           have
           been
           asleep
           in
           the
           night
           of
           thick
           darkness
           ,
           and
           you
           have
           brought
           forth
           night
           works
           ,
           neglecting
           Christ
           the
           salvation
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           abusing
           his
           tru●h
           ,
           taking
           no
           pleasure
           therein
           ,
           but
           rather
           in
           slothfulness
           ,
           formality
           ,
           covetousness
           ,
           pride
           and
           vanity
           in
           apparrel
           ,
           and
           many
           other
           things
           ,
           and
           Teachers
           not
           instructing
           people
           ,
           so
           as
           they
           might
           be
           able
           to
           examine
           and
           discern
           such
           as
           come
           unto
           them
           ;
           Ye
           sluggish
           Shepherds
           ,
           who
           are
           yet
           to
           be
           awakened
           ,
           what
           have
           you
           taken
           peoples
           mony
           and
           
           goods
           for
           all
           this
           time
           ,
           was
           it
           for
           your
           sleeping
           and
           dreaming
           ?
           awake
           ,
           awake
           ye
           sluggards
           ,
           and
           own
           the
           light
           of
           Christ
           which
           he
           hath
           enlightned
           you
           withal
           ,
           and
           that
           will
           shew
           you
           your
           dreaming
           ,
           and
           the
           deeds
           of
           the
           night
           ,
           and
           that
           will
           teach
           you
           to
           make
           straight
           steps
           to
           your
           goings
           ,
           and
           to
           search
           and
           try
           your
           wayes
           .
        
         
           John
           Horn
           ,
           Thomas
           Moore
           ,
           
             Look
             to
             your selves
             ,
             whosoever
             transgresseth
             and
             abideth
             not
             in
             the
             Doctrine
             of
             Christ
             hath
             not
             God
             ,
             he
             that
             abideth
             in
             the
             Doctrine
             of
             Christ
             ,
             hath
             both
             the
             Father
             and
             the
             Son
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           Then
           it
           is
           manifest
           that
           you
           
             Thomas
             Moore
             ,
          
           and
           
             John
             Horn
             ,
          
           have
           not
           God
           ,
           and
           out
           of
           your
           own
           mouths
           ye
           shall
           be
           Judged
           ;
           for
           in
           the
           20.
           
             pag.
          
           of
           your
           Book
           ,
           you
           speak
           of
           the
           heavy
           Judgement
           of
           God
           that
           he
           hath
           ordered
           to
           you
           ,
           to
           punish
           you
           for
           your
           neglect
           of
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           the
           truth
           of
           him
           so
           long
           abused
           by
           you
           ,
           now
           it
           is
           plain
           to
           any
           that
           have
           any
           true
           understanding
           ,
           that
           such
           as
           neglect
           Christ
           the
           Salvation
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           abuse
           his
           truth
           ,
           that
           they
           transgresse
           and
           abide
           not
           in
           the
           Doctrine
           of
           Christ
           ;
           and
           this
           you
           have
           confessed
           your selves
           to
           be
           guilty
           of
           ,
           and
           now
           your
           blindness
           and
           folly
           ,
           and
           confusion
           ,
           and
           wickedness
           is
           discovered
           by
           the
           spirit
           and
           wisdom
           of
           God
           ,
           which
           abideth
           in
           us
           who
           abide
           in
           the
           Doctrine
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           have
           both
           the
           Father
           and
           the
           Son
           .
        
         
           Many
           more
           of
           your
           lies
           and
           slanders
           and
           confusion
           we
           could
           shew
           you
           in
           your
           Book
           ,
           but
           that
           they
           are
           not
           worth
           the
           mentioning
           ;
           And
           think
           not
           with
           your selves
           ,
           that
           because
           we
           reckon
           not
           up
           the
           rest
           of
           your
           accusations
           and
           railing
           against
           us
           ,
           that
           therefore
           we
           consent
           to
           them
           as
           truth
           ,
           for
           we
           know
           that
           the
           Lord
           God
           will
           judge
           and
           punish
           you
           for
           your
           perverting
           the
           truth
           ,
           and
           your
           railing
           against
           us
           ,
           and
           slandering
           and
           belying
           us
           called
           
             Quakers
          
           as
           you
           have
           done
           ,
           both
           in
           your
           Book
           and
           in
           many
           Papers
           of
           
             John
             Hornes
          
           that
           were
           posted
           up
           against
           us
           in
           
             Lin
             ;
          
           and
           this
           know
           that
           the
           Lord
           God
           of
           power
           hath
           by
           his
           mighty
           power
           and
           wisdom
           armed
           us
           to
           make
           War
           against
           you
           and
           to
           manifest
           your
           deceits
           ,
           who
           are
           found
           to
           be
           forgers
           of
           lyes
           and
           deceivers
           ,
           and
           in
           enmity
           against
           the
           living
           truth
           of
           God
           ;
           
           and
           the
           longer
           you
           proceed
           therein
           against
           us
           and
           the
           truth
           witnessed
           by
           us
           ,
           the
           more
           will
           you
           be
           confounded
           ,
           and
           your
           folly
           made
           manifest
           ,
           that
           so
           the
           honest
           hearted
           will
           begin
           to
           loath
           you
           ,
           and
           you
           had
           better
           have
           put
           your
           mouths
           in
           the
           dust
           and
           been
           silent
           then
           to
           have
           blasphemed
           against
           the
           truth
           of
           God
           and
           against
           his
           people
           ,
           as
           you
           have
           done
           ;
           leave
           your
           hypocrisie
           and
           deceit
           wherewith
           you
           blind
           the
           people
           ,
           and
           feed
           them
           no
           longer
           with
           your
           dreams
           ,
           lyes
           ,
           and
           (
           stoln
           )
           dead
           words
           ,
           least
           the
           Lord
           cut
           you
           off
           in
           your
           iniquity
           ,
           for
           a
           time
           of
           withering
           is
           already
           come
           upon
           you
           .
        
         
           And
           as
           for
           you
           who
           are
           the
           Hearers
           of
           the
           said
           
             John
             Horn
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moor
             ,
          
           our
           Souls
           pitty
           you
           ,
           knowing
           you
           are
           under
           a
           vail
           of
           thick
           darkness
           and
           bondage
           ,
           as
           we
           can
           no
           otherwise
           conclude
           ,
           seeing
           your
           leaders
           are
           tryed
           ,
           and
           found
           so
           much
           in
           ignorance
           and
           confusion
           ,
           and
           we
           wish
           rather
           then
           you
           would
           remain
           under
           their
           darkness
           and
           deceits
           ,
           that
           you
           would
           come
           back
           to
           the
           witness
           of
           God
           ,
           which
           hath
           in
           many
           of
           you
           been
           often
           moving
           ,
           but
           often
           hath
           been
           quenched
           through
           yielding
           to
           the
           sleights
           and
           deceits
           of
           men
           ,
           and
           striving
           to
           get
           more
           into
           knowledge
           then
           into
           the
           life
           and
           power
           ;
           and
           now
           you
           are
           but
           feeding
           death
           ,
           and
           seeking
           the
           living
           among
           the
           dead
           ,
           while
           ye
           go
           to
           them
           for
           help
           ,
           who
           are
           out
           of
           the
           power
           of
           God
           ,
           in
           their
           own
           imaginations
           ,
           wherein
           they
           are
           confounded
           ,
           and
           if
           ever
           you
           come
           to
           the
           Fathers
           House
           ,
           and
           there
           to
           find
           the
           spiritual
           nourishment
           ,
           you
           must
           first
           return
           to
           the
           light
           of
           the
           Lord
           in
           you
           ,
           which
           you
           have
           transgressed
           and
           grieved
           ,
           when
           often
           it
           hath
           appeared
           against
           your
           ungodliness
           .
        
         
           And
           we
           would
           not
           have
           you
           think
           much
           against
           us
           ,
           because
           we
           have
           here
           dealt
           plainly
           by
           your
           Teachers
           ,
           in
           discovering
           them
           ,
           for
           we
           were
           first
           occasioned
           to
           give
           forth
           this
           ,
           because
           of
           their
           false
           railing
           book
           against
           us
           ,
           or
           else
           we
           had
           not
           thus
           appeared
           in
           publick
           against
           them
           ;
           and
           compare
           this
           and
           their
           book
           together
           ,
           and
           you
           may
           soon
           see
           (
           if
           you
           read
           them
           sincerely
           )
           how
           deservedly
           we
           have
           dealt
           by
           them
           ,
           more
           then
           they
           have
           by
           us
           ,
           for
           we
           sent
           Queries
           to
           
             John
             Horn
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moor
          
           in
           manuscript
           for
           them
           to
           answer
           ,
           not
           expecting
           
           they
           would
           have
           wronged
           us
           ,
           as
           they
           have
           done
           in
           Print
           ;
           And
           therefore
           if
           they
           in
           like
           manner
           do
           again
           proceed
           against
           us
           in
           Print
           ,
           we
           purpose
           in
           the
           Lord
           further
           to
           have
           their
           deceits
           discovered
           publickly
           ,
           that
           the
           truth
           which
           is
           professed
           and
           dearly
           owned
           by
           us
           ,
           may
           be
           cleared
           ,
           and
           its
           enemies
           have
           the
           fruits
           of
           their
           own
           doings
           .
        
      
    
     
       
         
           Post-script
           .
        
         
           AND
           seeing
           that
           ye
           (
           called
           Moorians
           )
           hold
           forth
           ,
           
             That
             flesh
             and
             blood
             cannot
             inherit
             the
             Kingdom
             of
             God
             ,
          
           yet
           
             flesh
             and
             bones
             may
             ;
          
           we
           ask
           you
           these
           Questions
           ;
        
         
           If
           
             Elijahs
          
           flesh
           and
           bones
           could
           enter
           into
           Gods
           Kingdom
           (
           when
           he
           was
           taken
           up
           )
           and
           if
           his
           blood
           could
           not
           ,
           then
           when
           ,
           and
           where
           ,
           and
           how
           ,
           and
           by
           whom
           was
           his
           blood
           taken
           and
           separated
           from
           his
           flesh
           and
           bones
           ?
           And
           what
           is
           become
           of
           his
           blood
           ?
        
         
           And
           what
           is
           it
           that
           hinders
           the
           blood
           ,
           that
           it
           may
           not
           enter
           into
           Gods
           Kingdom
           as
           well
           as
           the
           flesh
           and
           bones
           ,
           which
           ye
           say
           may
           ?
           Is
           the
           transgression
           of
           the
           blood
           greater
           then
           the
           transgression
           of
           the
           flesh
           and
           bones
           ?
           And
           shall
           the
           flesh
           and
           bones
           be
           redeemed
           and
           delivered
           from
           corruption
           ,
           and
           shall
           not
           the
           blood
           ?
           What
           is
           the
           Cause
           ?
           For
           although
           the
           Lord
           doth
           what
           he
           please
           ,
           yet
           ,
           doth
           he
           do
           any
           thing
           without
           a
           Cause
           ?
        
         
         
           And
           whether
           do
           you
           own
           that
           Doctrine
           ,
           that
           when
           Christ
           appeared
           amongst
           the
           Disciples
           after
           his
           Resurrection
           (
           when
           the
           doors
           were
           shut
           ,
           
             John
          
           20.
           19.
           
           )
           that
           then
           his
           body
           being
           spiritualized
           ,
           it
           glided
           in
           at
           the
           key-hole
           of
           the
           door
           ?
           Which
           doctrine
           
             Thomas
             Moor
          
           sen
           .
           hath
           formerly
           preached
           ,
           as
           some
           hath
           affirmed
           who
           heard
           him
           .
        
         
           And
           where
           do
           the
           Scriptures
           say
           ,
           That
           flesh
           and
           bones
           may
           in
           herit
           the
           Kingdom
           of
           God
           ?
        
         
           And
           where
           you
           
             John
             Horn
          
           and
           
             Thomas
             Moor
          
           in
           page
           16.
           say
           ,
           That
           Sathan
           doubtless
           may
           reprove
           of
           some
           sins
           ,
           and
           press
           to
           some
           duties
           ;
           Now
           have
           you
           not
           here
           shewn
           your selves
           to
           be
           Ministers
           of
           Sathan
           ,
           and
           not
           of
           Christ
           ?
           And
           we
           ask
           you
           what
           duties
           (
           or
           any
           things
           that
           are
           duties
           )
           doth
           Sathan
           press
           men
           to
           ?
           Answer
           directly
           ,
           or
           let
           shame
           cover
           you
           ,
           which
           at
           length
           will
           come
           upon
           you
           for
           your
           deceits
           .
        
         
           THE
           END
           .