A copie of the proceedings of some worthy and learned divines, appointed by the Lords to meet at the Bishop of Lincolnes in Westminster touching innovations in the doctrine and discipline of the Church of England. Together with considerations upon the Common prayer book. Church of England. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A32992 of text R211825 in the English Short Title Catalog (Wing C4103B). Textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. The text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with MorphAdorner. The annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). Textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. 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A32992) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 29851) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 2166:01) A copie of the proceedings of some worthy and learned divines, appointed by the Lords to meet at the Bishop of Lincolnes in Westminster touching innovations in the doctrine and discipline of the Church of England. Together with considerations upon the Common prayer book. Church of England. Ussher, James, 1581-1656. [1], 7 p. [s.n.], London : printed 1641. Signed at end: Arch Bishop of Armach [and 6 others]. Even page numbers on rectos. Copy cropped at foot of title page. Reproduction of the original in the Henry E. Huntington Library and Art Gallery. eng Church of England -- Government -- Early works to 1800. Church of England. -- Book of common prayer -- Early works to 1800. Ecclesiastical law -- England -- Early works to 1800. A32992 R211825 (Wing C4103B). civilwar no A copie of the proceedings of some worthy and learned divines, appointed by the Lords to meet at the Bishop of Lincolnes in Westminster: tou Church of England 1641 2543 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 B The rate of 4 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the B category of texts with fewer than 10 defects per 10,000 words. 2005-02 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-04 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-06 Judith Siefring Sampled and proofread 2005-06 Judith Siefring Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A COPIE OF The proceedings of some worthy and learned Divines , appointed by the Lords to meet at the Bishop of Lincolnes in Westminster : Touching Innovations in the Doctrine and Discipline of the Church of England . Together with Considerations upon the Common Prayer Book . Innovations in Doctrine . 1 QVare , Whether in the twentieth Article these words are not inserted , Habet Ecclesia authoritatem in controversiis fidei . 2 It appeares by Stetfords and the approbation of the Licencers , that some doe teach and preach , that good workes are concauses with faith in the act of Iustification . Doctor Dove also hath given scandall in that point . 3 Some have preached that works of Penance are satisfactory before God . 4 Some have preached , that private Confession by particular enumeration of sins is necessary to salvation , necessitate medii , both those errors have been questioned at the Consistory at Cambridge . 5 Some have maintained , that the Absolution , which the Priest pronounceth , is more then Declaratory . 6 Some have published , that there is a proper Sacrifice in the Lords Supper , to exhibit Christs death in the Postfact , as there was a sacrifice to prefigure in the old Law in the Antefact , and therefore that we have a true Altar , and therefore not only metaphorically so called , so Doctor Heylin and others in the last Summers Convocation , where also some defended , that the Oblation of the Elements might hold the nature of the true sacrifice , others the consumption of the Elements . 7 Some have introduced prayer for the dead , as Master Browne in his printed Sermon : and some have coloured the use of it with questions in Cambridge , and disputed , that preces pro defunctis non supponunt purgatorium . 8 Divers have oppugned the certitude of Salvation . 9 Some have maintained the lawfulnesse of monasticall vowes . 10 Some have maintained that the Lords day is kept meerly by Ecclesiasticall constitution , and that the day is changeable . 11 Some have taught as new and dangerous doctrine , that the subjects are to pay any sums of mony imposed upon them , though without law , nay contrary to the lawes of the Realme , as Doctor Sybthorp and Doctor Manwaring Bishop of Saint Davids , in their printed Sermons , whom many have followed of late yeares . 12 Some have put scornes upon the two Bookes of Homilies , calling them either popular discourses , or a doctrine usefull for those times wherein they were set forth . 13 Some have defended the whole grosse substance of Arminianisme , that Electio est ex fide praevisa , That the act of conversion depends upon the concurrence of mans free will , That the justified man may fall finally and totally from grace . 14 Some have defended vniversall grace , as imparted as much to Reprobates as to the Elect , and have proceeded usque ad salutem Ethnicorū , which the Church of England hath anathematized . 15 Some have absolutely denyed originall sin , and so evacuated the Crosse of Christ , as in a disputation at Oxen. 16 Some have given excessive cause of scandall to the Church as being suspected of Socinianisme . 17 Some have defended that concupiscence is no sin , either in the habit or first motion . 18 Some have broacht out of Socinus a most uncomfortable and desperate doctrine , that late repentance , that is , upon the last bed of sicknesse , is unfruitfull , at least to reconcile the penitent to God . Adde unto these some dangerous and most reproveable books . 1 THe reconciliation of Sancta Clara , to knit the Romish and Protestant in one ; Memorand . that he be caused to produce Bishop Watsons book of the like reconciliation which he speaks of . 2 A Booke called Brevis disquisitio , printed ( as it is thought ) in London , and vulgarly to be had , which impugneth the doctrine of the holy Trinity , and the verity of Christs body ( which he tooke of the blessed Virgin ) in heaven , and the verity of our resurrection . 3 A Booke called Timotheus Philalethes de pace Ecclesiae , which holds that every Religion will save a man , if he hold the covenant . Innovations in Discipline . 1 THe turning of the holy Table Altarwise , and most commonly calling it an Altar . 2 Bowing towards it , or towards the East , many times , with three congees , but usually in every motion , accesse , or recesse in the Church . 3 Advancing Candlesticks in many Churches upon the Altar so called . 4 In making Canopies over the Altar so called , with traverses and curtains on each side and before it . 5 In compelling all Communicants to come up before the rails , and there to receive . 6 In advancing Crucifixes and Images upon the parafront , or Altar-cloth so called . 7 In reading some part of the Morning prayer at the holy Table , when there is no Communion celebrated . 8 By the Ministers turning his backe to the West , and his face to the East , when he pronounceth the Creed , or reads Prayers . 9 By reading the Letany in the midst of the Body of the Church in many of the Parochiall Churches . 10 By pretending for their Innovations , the Injunctions and advertisements of Queene Elizabeth , which are not in force , but by way of commentary and imposition , and by putting to the Liturgy printed secundo , tertio Edwardi sexti , which the Parliament hath reformed and laid aside . 11 By offering of Bread and Wine by the hand of the Church-wardens , or others , before the consecration of the Elements . 12 By having a Credentia , or side Table besides the Lords Table for divers uses in the Lords Supper . 13 By introducing an Offertory before the Communion , distant from the giving of Almes to the poore . 14 By prohibiting the Ministers to expound the Catechisme at large to their Parishioners . 15 By suppressing of Lectures , partly on Sundayes in the afternoone , partly on weeke dayes , performed as well by combination , as some one man . 16 By prohibiting a direct prayer before Sermon , and bidding of prayer . 17 By singing the Te Deum in prose after a Cathedrall Church way , in divers Parochiall Churches , where the people have no skill in such Musicke . 18 By introducing Latine Service in the Communion of late in Oxford , and into some Colledges in Cambridge , at Morning and Evening Prayer , so that some young Students , and the servants of the Colledge doe not understand their prayers . 19 By standing up at the Hymnes in the Church , and alwayes at Gloria Patri . 20 By carrying children from the Baptisme to the Altar so called , there to offer them up to God . 21 By taking downe Galleries in Churches , or restraining the building of such Galleries where the Parishes are very populous . Memorandum . 1 THat in all the Cathedrall and Collegiate Churches two Sermons be preached every Sunday by the Deane and Prebendaries , or by their procurement , and likewise every Holiday , and one Lecture at the least to be preached on working dayes every weeke , all the yeare long . 2 That the Musick used in Gods holy Service in Cathedrall and Collegiate Churches be framed with lesse curiosity , that it may bee more edifying and more intelligible , and that no Hymnes or Anthemes be used where Ditties are framed by private men , but such as are contained in the sacred Canonicall Scriptures , or in our Liturgy of prayers , or have publique allowance . 3 That the Reading Deske be placed in the Church where divine Service may best be heard of all the people . Considerations upon the Booke of Common Prayer . 1 VVHether the names of some departed Saints and others should not be quite expunged the Kalender . 2 Whether the reading of Psalmes , sentences of Scripture concurring in divers places in the Hymnes , Epistles and Gospels , should not be set out in the new translation . 3 Whether the Rubrique should not bee mended , where all Vestments in them of divine Service are now commanded which were used , 2. Ed. 6. 4 Whether Lessons of Canonicall Scripture should be put into the Kalender in stead of Apocrypha . 5. That the Doxologie should be alwaies printed at the end of the Lords praier , and be alwaies said by the Minister . 6 Whether the Rubrique should not be mended , where it is ( that the Lessons should be sung in a plaine tune ) why not ( read with a distinct voice . ) 7 Whether Gloria Patri should be repeated at the end of every Psalme . 8 Whether according to that end of the Preface before the Common Prayer , the Curate should be bound to read Morning and Evening Prayers every day in the Church , if he be at home , and not reasonably tet●ed , and why not only on Wensday , and Fryday morning , and in the Afternoone on Saturdaies , with holyday eves . 7 Whether the Himnes , Benedicite omnia opera , &c. may not be left out . 10 In the Prayer for the Clergy , that the phrase perhaps to be altered , which only worketh great marvails . 11 In the Rubrique for the administration of the Lords Supper whether this alteration to be made , that such as intend to communicate shall signify their names to the Curate over night or in the morning before Prayers . 12 The next Rubrique to be cleared , how far a Minister may repulse a scandalous and notorious sinner from the Communion . 13 Whether the Rubrique is not to be mended , where the Churchwardens are straitly appointed to gather the Almes for the poore before the communion begin , for by experience it is proved to be done better when the People depart . 14 Whether the Rubrique is not to be mended , concerning the party that is to make his generall confession upon his knees , before the Communion , that it should be sayd only by the Minister and then at every clause repeated to the people . 15 These words in the forme of the Consecration , This is my body , this is my bloud of the New Testament , not to be printed hereafter in great Letters . 16 Whether it will not bee fit to insert a Rubrique touching kneeling at the Communion , that is , to comply in all humility with the prayer which the Minister makes when he delivers the Elements . 17 Whether Cathedrall and Collegiate Churches shall be straitly bound to celebrate the holy Communion every Sunday at the least , and might not it rather be added once in a moneth . 18 In the last Rubrique touching the Communion , is it not fit that the Printer make a full point , and begin with a new great letter at these words . And every Parishioner shall also receive the Sacraments . 19 Whether in the first prayer at the Baptisme , these words , Didst sanctifie the floud Iordan , and all other waters , should be thus changed , Didst sanctifie the Element of water . 20 Whether it be not fit to have some discreete Rubrique made to take away all scandall from signifyng the signe of the Crosse upon the infants after Baptisme , or if it shall seeme more expedient to be quite difused , whether this reason should be published , that in antient Liturgies no Crosse was confined upon the party , but where Oyle also was used , and therfore Oile being now omitted so may also that which was Concomitant with it the signe of the Crosse . 21 In private Baptisme , the Rubique mentions that which must not be done , that the Minister may dip the child in water being at the point of Death . 22 Whether in the last Rubrique of conformation those words be to be left out , and be undoubtedly saved . 23 Whether the Catechisme may not receive a little more enlargement . 24 Whether the times prohibited for marriage are quite to be taken away . 25 Whether none hereafter shall have licences to marry , nor be asked their banes of Matrimony , that shall not bring with them a Certificat from their Ministers that they are instructed in their Catechisme ; 26 Whether these words in Matrimony , with my body I thee worship , shall not be thus altered , I give thee power over my body . 27 Whether the last Rubrique of marriage should not be mended , that new married persons should receive the Communion the same day of their marriage , may it not well be , or upon the next Sunday following when the Communion is celebrated . 28 In the absolution of the sicke , were it not plaine to say , I pronounce thee absolved . 29 The Psalme of thanksgiving of women after Childbirth , were it not fit to be composed out of proper Versicles taken from divers Psalmes . 30 May not the Priest rather read the Commination in the Desk , then go up to the pulpit . 31 The Rubrick in the Commination leaves it doubtful whether the Letany may not be read in divers places in the Church . 32 In the order of the Buriall of all persons , 't is said , Wee commit his body to the ground , in sure and certain hope of resurrection to eternall life , Why not thus , Knowing assuredly , that the dead shall rise againe . 33 In the Collect next unto the Collect against the pestilence , the Clause perhaps to be mended , For the honour of Jesus Christ sake . 34 In the Letany instead of fornication and all other deadly sin , would it not satisfie thus ? from fornication and all other grevious sinnes . 35 It is very fit that the imperfections of the meeter in the singing Psalmes should be mended , and then lawfull Authority added unto them , to have them publiquely sunge before and after Sermons , and somtimes instead of the Hymns of morning and evening Prayer . Arch Bishop of Armach . Bp. of Lincolne . Dr. Prideaux . Dr. Ward . Dr. Brownrig . Dr. Featly . Dr. Hacket .