Three letters to Dr. Sherlock concerning church-communion wherein 'tis enquired whether the doctor's notion of church communion be not too narrow and uncharitable, both to dissenters, and men of larger principles / by a lay-man of the Church of England ... Atwood, William, d. 1705? 1683 Approx. 58 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 21 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2005-10 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A26184 Wing A4183 ESTC R11681 11998162 ocm 11998162 52130 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. A26184) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 52130) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 557:18) Three letters to Dr. Sherlock concerning church-communion wherein 'tis enquired whether the doctor's notion of church communion be not too narrow and uncharitable, both to dissenters, and men of larger principles / by a lay-man of the Church of England ... Atwood, William, d. 1705? Sherlock, William, 1641?-1707. [8], 31, [1] p. Printed for Jonathan Robinson ..., London : 1683. Attributed to William Atwood. Cf. NUC pre-1956. Errata: p. 31. Advertisement: p. [1] at end. Reproduction of original in Huntington Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. 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Lord's Supper -- Early works to 1800. 2003-11 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2003-12 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-02 John Latta Sampled and proofread 2005-02 John Latta Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-04 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion THREE LETTERS TO Dr. Sherlock CONCERNING Church-Communion , WHEREIN 'T is enquired whether the Doctor 's Notion of Church-Communion be not too narrow and uncharitable , both to Dissenters , and Men of larger Principles . By a LAY-MAN of the Church of England , and in constant Communion with it . LONDON , Printed for Jonathan Robinson , at the Golden Lion in St. Paul's Church-yard . 1683. To the Reader . I Hope these Papers will not fall into any Man's Hands , who counts it not a great blessing to have Kings for Nursing Fathers to God's Church : To have the true Religion establish'd and guarded by humane Laws . And perhaps 't is no absurdity to suppose , that Men may as well continue Members of the National Church , notwithstanding their breaking many positive Laws made for the outward management and ordering of it , tho' not fundamental and necessary to its being : As he who incurs the Penalty of any Statute of the Realm about Civil Affairs , may however be a sound Member of the State , if he keep from Treason or other Capital Crimes . Nay possibly , That there should be several Religious Assemblies living by different Customs and Rules , and yet continuing Members of the National Church , is not more inconsistent than that particular Places should have their particular Customs and By-Laws differing from the Common Law of the Land , without making a distinct Government . Sure I am , an outward Government in the Church is requisite , if it were only for the restraining those Men who out of confidence of their own Abilities , will be venting Notions , which none but Men of great subtilty can make one believe to be agreeable , either to Scripture , or to that Doctrine to which they have subscribed and declared their unfeigned Assent and Consent . And me-thinks it were enough to remove Mens prejudices against Episcopal Government , to consider how needful it is that some of the most learned and discreet should be chosen from among the Herd of Clergy-men , to oversee , admonish , and censure those who are apt to go beyond their due Bounds . Yet even within this Government , it may sometimes become the Duty of one of the Laity , to take upon him to reprove his Teacher , when he apprehends the Doctrine to be dangerous : In which case , unless he remonstrate against it , he may be thought to communicate with him in his Error , which possibly may be as sinful as communicating in a Schism , which Dr. Sherlock frights us with . Out of respect to whom I must say , that I had rather be mistaken in that sense which I conceive ought to be put upon his Sermons about Church-Communion , than be able to justify , That the Objections to which he never vouchsafed an Answer , were meither impertinent to his Discourses , nor frivolous . His Notion of a Political Union of true Believers to Christ , I had long since read ; but the hearing of it , fix'd my Attention , and put me upon sending him my Objections against it in a private manner . The more I think of his Sermons , the more I am perswaded that they are contrary to the whole Tenor of the Gospel , and the Doctrine of our Church . The Scripture tells us , That God is no respecter of Persons : but in every Nation he that feareth him , and worketh Righteousness , is accepted with him . But the Doctor says , That the only visible way of forming a Church , ( for I do not now speak of the invisible Operations of the Divine Spirit ) is by granting a Church-Covenant , which is the Divine Charter whereon the Church is founded : And investing some Persons with Power and Authority to receive others into this Covenant , &c. And then to be taken into Covenant with God , and to be received into the Church , is the very same thing . So it seems , according to him , no Man is in Covenant with God , who is not actually received into Covenant by a visible Church ; that is , by the Bishops and Ministers of the Church , As he elsewhere has it , speaking of what makes any thing in a strict sense an Act of Church-Communion . Indeed he may seem to have a reserve , when he says , he speaks not of the invisible Operations of the Spirit : Yet what room he leaves for that out of the Pale of a particular visible Church , is a great Question , when he confines the Influences and Operations of the Divine Spirit to the Unity of the Church : That is , if he speaks to the purpose , to Vniformity to that sound part of the Catholick Church where a Man lives . But if a Man fall into a Nation where there are no Bishops or inferior Clergy authorised by them , the Lord have Mercy upon his Soul : for 't is a question how that Scripture can be fulfilled , which saith , God is no respecter of Persons , &c. But if the Bishops where he lives , fall out , Wo be to him if his Bishop be singular . And God knows , but one of the Primitive Fathers , Tertullian , notwithstanding all his Zeal for the Christian Religion , lies in Purgatory to this day , with all his Followers , to St. Austin ' s Time : For though , as Dr. Cave says in his excuse , He lived in an Age when a greater latitude of opining was indulged ; and good Men were infinitely more solicitous about Piety and a good Life , than about the Modes of Speech , and how to express every thing so critically , that it should not be liable to a severe Scrutiny and Examination . Yet this good Man having had Disputes with others of the Primitive Fathers ; the Doctor tells us , Whether ever he was reconciled to Catholick Communion appears not : 't is certain , for the main , he forsook the Cataphrygians , and kept his separate Meetings at Carthage , and his Church was yet remaining in St. Augustine's time : By whose Labours , the very Reliques of his Followers called Tertullianists , were dispers'd and quite disappeared . What our Church determines in this case , we may see in the 19th Article . And I will leave it to Dr. Sherlock to reconcile himself to its Doctrine in this Point : Which is , That , The Church visible of Christ , is a Congregation of faithful Men , in which the pure Word of God is preached ; and the Sacraments be duly ministred , according to Christ's Ordinance , in all those things that of necessity are requisite to the same . If any Man tax me with undermining the Authority of the Church , in objecting against Dr. Sherlock's way of supporting it , Dr. Stillingfleet has furnish'd me with a sufficient Apology ; Men of any common understanding ( says he ) would distinguish between the necessaries of Life and of civil Society : So would any one but S. C. or N. O. of the Necessaries to Salvation , and to the Government of the Church . For Men must be considered as Christians , and then as Christians united together . As in Civil Societies they are to be considered , first as men , and then as Cives . To say that a Man hath all that is necessary to preserve his Life as a Man , doth not overthrow the Constitution of a Society , altho' it implies that he might live without it . So when Men are considered barely as Christians , no more ought to be thought necessary for them as such , but what makes them capable of Salvation . But if we consider them as joining together in a Christian Society , then many other things are necessary for that end : For then there must be Authority in some , and Subjection in others ; there must be Orders and Constitutions , whereby all must be kept within their due Bounds : And there must be Persons appointed to instruct the Ignorant , to satisfy the Doubting , to direct the Unskilful , and to help the Weak . It belongs to such a Society , not barely to provide for Necessity , but Safety ; and not meerly the safety of particular Persons , but of it Self : which cannot be done , without prudent Orders fixing the Bounds of Mens Employments , and not suffering every pretender to Visions and Revelations , to set up for a new Sect , or which is all one , a new Order of Religious Men. This I should think were enough , not only to justify me , but to draw to my side all the moderate Church-men ; yet that it may not be said that I bring but one Doctor 's Opinion against another , I shall take in the Suffrage of the worthy Dean of Canterbury , and that delivered very solemnly in the presence of his Sacred Majesty . I do assure you , ( says that great Man in his Sermon at Court ) I had much rather perswade any one to be a good Man , than to be of any Party or Denomination of Christians whatsoever ; for I doubt not but the belief of the Ancient Creed , provided we entertain nothing that is destructive of it , together with a good Life , will certainly save a Man ; and without this , no Man can have reasonable hopes of Salvation , no not in an infallible Church , if there were any such to be found in the World. But since the setling the true Notion of Schism will go a great way towards the satisfying our Enquiries in this Matter , it may not be improper to transcribe some part of Dr. Stillingfleet's sense of it , where he vindicates the Church of England from the imputation of Schism ; The Being of the Catholick Church , says he , lies in essentials , for a Particular Church to disagree from all other Particular Churches , in some extrinsecal and accidental Things , is not to separate from the Catholick Church , so as to cease to be a Church ; but still , whatever Church makes such extrinsecal things the necessary Conditions of Communion , so as to cast Men out of the Church , who yield not to them , is Schismatical in so doing ; for it thereby divides it self from the Catholick-Church ; and the Separation from it , is so far from being Schism , that being cast out of that Church on those terms only , returns them to the Communion of the Catholick-Church . On which ground it will appear , that the Church of Rome is the Schismatical Church , and not Ours . For , although before this imposing Humour came into particular Churches , Schism was defin'd by the Fathers , and others , to be a voluntary departure out of the Church ; yet that cannot in reason be understood of any Particular , but the true Catholick Church : for not only Persons , but Churches may depart from the Catholick Church : and in such Cases , not those who depart from the Communion of such Churches , but those Churches which depart from the Catholick , are guilty of the Schism . Three LETTERS to Dr. Sherlock , upon his Sermons concerning Church-Communion . Reverend Sir , NOT doubting but you will be willing to stoop to the capacity of the meanest of your Auditory ; I who have often heard you with great satisfaction , and I hope not without edifying thereby , take leave to intimate to you , as nigh as I can , in your own words , what I conceive to have been the substance of your Discourse this last Sunday , upon I Cor. 12. 27. [ Now ye are the Body of Christ , and Members in particular . ] And to propound some Queries , which perhaps you may think fit , in some part at least , to take notice of in your further progress upon this nice Subject . However I hope you will candidly interpret this friendly Intimation from one who is a Member of the same Church with you , and is as hearty ●●● his desires of a firm Union amongst Protestants as any Man can be : And therefore is the more concern'd at any Discourse which may represent all Dissenters , as such , as Men depriv'd of the ordinary means of Salvation , and consequently to be in as bad a case as the Moral Heathens . And ( as most Men of such Notions believe , or would infer ) in a worse condition than those of the Romish Communion . Which I hope was not in your Intention , how liable soever your Assertions may seem to that Interpretation . Not but that many things which you then taught us are of a far different import . Be pleas'd to take your own again , with as little alteration of the words , or order in which they were delivered , as may be , without the Repetition of many things , whereby 't is convenient to lengthen out a Sermon . You may remember that you told us , That , The Church is a Body of Men separated from the World , and united to God and themselves by a Divine Covenant : That 't is an entire Body , and every Member united to the whole Church by Christian Communion . That our Saviour ordained the Apostles , and gave the Government of the Church to them and their Successors , with a promise to be with them to the end of the World. That there can be but one Church where all Priviledges and Duties are common , And but one and the same Institution of God's Appointment : That the Gospel-Covenant is the Foundation of the Christian Church . God only can make a Church , not Man's Invention . The only way God has of forming a Church is , by granting a Church-Covenant , and investing some Persons with power of receiving others according to the Terms , with such Rites as they are pleas'd to institute . As that can be no Church which is not in Covenant with God , so he can be no Member who is not visibly admitted into Covenant . You farther observ'd , under distinct Heads , 1. That a Covenant-State , and a Church-State , is the same . 2. Every profess'd Christian received into Covenant is a Member . 3. Nothing else is necessary to make Members but Baptism . 4. A Church-State cannot depend upon humane Contract or Covenant : 'T is God's Covenant which is in our Church required of the Adult . The Independents found their Church upon humane Contract , which they will not say is any part of the Baptismal Vow . 5. 'T is absurd to gather Churches out of Churches of Baptiz'd Christians . 6. The Doctrine of the Unity of the Church confirm'd from the Notion of a Charter to any Body Politick . They who are not admitted into the Corporation , have no right to the Privileges ; and are Usurpers , if they exercise any Act belonging to the Members . God considers all Men as united into one Church or Body , has made no Covenant with Geneva or England in particular . The only thing that can give us right to Church-Membership , is to observe the Conditions of the Covenant . He destroys the Unity of the Church , who is not subject to its Censures . Every Member is a Member of the Whole : Baptism does not make us Members of any particular Church , but of the Universal , founded only on Divine Covenant . Every Act of Christian Communion must be an Act of Communion with the whole Church : And 't is impossible to live in Communion with the whole , without Communion with some part , when it may be had : ' T is necessary to communicate with some Church , by Communion with the Church in which we live , if it be a sound Member ; I communicate with the whole . According to the Primitive Rule of but one Bishop in a City , they who divide from the National Church are guilty of Schism . Nothing can justify Division , but such a distance as hinders the Exercise of Joint-Communion . To sum up what I take to be the force of all this . The Apostles and their Successors were by our Saviour invested with a power of receiving Members into his Church upon his Terms , and with such Rites as they should think fit . And they who are not so receiv'd into the Church , have no right to any of the Benefits promis'd to the Members of Christ's Body . This Power is by an uninterrupted Succession derived upon the Governors of our National Church ; Wherefore all others that pretend to the exercise of this Power within this Nation , are Usurpers : And all the Laity baptiz'd by their Pastors , not being duly admitted into any particular Church , are so far from being Members of Christ's Body , that they are Usurpers and Traitors to that Power which is deriv'd from him in a right Line . Durus hic Sermo . Wherefore I may well upon the whole desire , that you would seriously consider ; ( 1. ) Whether a pious Dissenter , suppos'd to be received into the Church by such as he believes to be fully invested with sufficient Church-power , is in as bad a condition as a moral Heathen , or in a worse than a Papist ? ( 2. ) Whether the submission to the Power and Censures of this Church ( which all must own to be a sound Church ) be part of the Divine Covenant , which unites the Members of the Catholick Church to God and to each other ? If it be , then as he who is not admitted into this Church , is no Member of the Catholick , and has no right to the Benefits of being a Member of Christ's Body : So it is with every one excluded by Church-Censures , though excommunicated for a slight contempt or neglect , nay for a wrongful Cause . If it be no part of the Divine Covenant , then a Man that lives here may be a true Member of the Catholick Church , though he is not in Communion with this sound Church . But you will say , ( which I think is not much to this Question ) , That he ought to communicate if Communion may be had . But then Query , Whether the Dissenters may not reply , That they are ready to communicate , if the Communion be not clogg'd with some things which are no part of the Divine Covenant ? As for instance , An adult Person would be baptized if he could be admitted without the Sign of the Cross : Or would receive the Sacrament , if he might not be obliged to kneel ; Which he supposes to have been in use , and required , only since the Doctrine of Transubstantiation divided the Church . Yet however , Query ; ( 3. ) Whether where Communion may not be had upon those Terms which our Saviour Instituted , a Church may not , at least in some cases , be gathered ; without any immediate derivation from other Church-Governors besides Christ himself ? if it may not , What think you of a Lay-Christian quietly permitted to teach the Word of God amongst Heathens , and to Disciple such as will receive his Doctrine ? If a Church in such case may be erected , then surely God's only way of forming Churches , and investing some Persons with Power of receiving others , is not from a constant succession from the Apostles , but from under his Institution who has appointed a Power in his Church , which expires no more with any particular Governors than the Power of Kings , his Vicegerents , dies in any Nation for want of some Monarch just going before , from whom the Claim is to be made . Though the Power of a King be God's Power , yet I dare say you will own , that at least in some Kingdoms , a King may be duly chosen to this Power by Men. You will say perhaps , ( though still the force of my Objection will remain ) that this is an extraordinary Case of utmost necessity , not to be instanced in amongst us . But then I ask ; 1. Whether upon allowing no other Case , you will not put the Being of our Church upon a very hazardous Issue ; and oblige your self to prove that it was a True Church before the Reformation ? 2. Whether supposing this Church to have been Antichristian before , ( which I think is the Doctrine of our Homilies ) ; The Case I put of a Layman's discipling Heathens , supposes a more violent necessity of acting without Authority from a succession of Church-Officers , than at least 't is possible may be the Case of our own Church ? ( 4. ) Q. Whether from the Supposition , that there ought to be but one Church-Covenant throughout the Catholick Church , that there cannot be one True Church within another ; and that the nature of Catholik-Communion is such , that one ought to be ready to communicate with any sound Church , from which one is not hindred by reason of the distance of place ? It do's not not follow ; 1. Either that the French Protestants have no Church here , but are Schismaticks in not communicating with ours ; Or that ours is guilty of Schism , in making the Terms of Communion so streight , that it is not the Duty of every one ( though a licensed Stranger ) to communicate with this Church . 2. Does it not follow from the Obligation to communicate , or to be ready to communieate with any True Church where distance does not hinder , that a Member of the Church of England is not obliged to constant Communion with the Church , but may occasionally communicate with the French Church ; Nay with Dissenters too , if he believes that any of their Congregations is a true Member of the Catholick Church ? If they may , then constant Communion is not always a Duty where occasional is lawful . Dr. Stillingfleet indeed says , That if a Man were obliged to be a Member of the French Church , or the like , and thought it lawful to communicate sometimes , constant Communion would be a Duty . But according to you no Man is obliged to be a Member of one sound Church more than another , provided the distance is not so great , but that he may communicate with both . ( 5. ) Query , Whether a true Christian , though not visibly admitted into Church-Communion , where he wants the means , has not a virtual Baptism in the Answer of a good Conscience towards God ? according to 1 Pet. 3. 21. ( 6. ) Query , Why a profess'd Atheist who has been Baptiz'd , and out of secular Interest continues a Communicant with this Church , is more a Member of the Catholick Church than such as are above described ? ( 7. ) Query , Whether as the Catholick Church is compar'd to a Body of Men incorporated by one Charter , upon supposition of a possibility of the Forfeiture of a Charter to the whole Body , by the miscarriages of any of the Officers , Does it likewise follow that the Miscarriages of Church-Officers , or the Church Representative , as I remember Bishop Sanderson calls the Clergy , may forfeit the Privileges given by Christ to his Church , or at least may suspend them ? As suppose a Protestant Clergy , taking their Power to be as large as the Church of Rome claim'd , should deny the Laity the Sacraments , as the Popish did in Venice , and here in King John's Time , during the Interdicts . Quid inde operatur ? But more particularly I shall make Observations upon these following Positions . 1. You say , Our Saviour made the Apostles and their Successors Governors of his Church , with promise to be with them to the end of the World. 2. That 't is absurd to gather a Church out of a Church of Baptiz'd Christians . 3. That the Independents separate from Catholick Communion , by adding a New Covenant , no part of the Baptismal Vow . For the first : I desire to be satisfied in these Particulars . 1. Whether our Saviour's Promise of Divine Assistance , did not extend to all the Members of the Church , considering every Man in his respective Station and Capacity , as well as to the Apostles as Church-Governors ? for which you may compare St. John with St. Matthew . 2. Therefore Query , Whether it signifies any thing to say there is no Promise to Particular Churches , provided there be to Particular Persons , such as are in Charity with all Men , and are ready to communicate with any Church which requires no more of them , than what they conceive to be their Duty , according to the Divine Covenant ? 3. Whether if the Promise you mention be confin'd to the Apostles , as Church-Governors , it will not exclude the Civil Power ? 4. What was the extent of the Promise , Whether it was to secure the whole Church , that its Governors should never impose unlawful Terms of Communion , or that there should never be a general defection of all the Members of the Catholick Church ; but that there should always be some true Members ? But secondly , you say , 'T is absur'd to gather a Church out of a Church of baptized Christians . By which I suppose you mean that Men ought not to separate from such , and live in a distinct Church-Communion from any Church of baptized Christians ; which I conceive needs explaining . But as it was worded , I desire to know , 1. Whether it is absurd for Protestants to live in Church-Communion with each other in France , separating from the Papists , whose is the National Church ? 2. Whether the Civil Power did not make a lawful Reformation and Separation from the Popish Church in England ? 3. Whether as in the Primitive Times there was but one Bishop , and consequently but one Church in a City , there are not now as many Churches within the National as there are Bishopricks ? 4. Whether is it more absurd that there should be Independent or Presbyterian Churches within the National , than that there should be so many Bishopricks ? 5. Suppose it possible for every of their Congregations to be a Church , with sufficient Church-Officers and Power , then may they not communicate with a sound part of the Catholick-Church without actual Communion with the National : And consequently all that you have said of their Schism will fall . 6. Admit they bring but colourable Proof for this , yet if it be enough to make honest-minded Men believe it , dare you say that those who so believe are no true Members of Christ's Body ? For God's sake , Sir , consider this , and think with your self , whether your Charity exceeds that of the Romish Church ? 3dly , You suppose that the Independents exclude themselves from Catholick Communion , by requiring of their Members a New Contract , no part of the Baptismal Vow-Upon this I ask , 1. Whether any Obstacle to Catholick Communion brought in by Men , may not be a means of depriving Men of it , as well as Covenant or Contract ? 2. If it may , which I suppose you will not deny , will you not then , upon this account , make the Church you live in more guilty than you do the Independents ? Baptism you own is the only thing which admits into the Catholick Church ; but they require no New Covenant at Baptism , ergo , they admit into the Church without any clog or hindrance of humane Invention . But Query , Whether if an adult Person may not be received to Baptism without being sign'd with the sign of the Cross : Which some , at least , may honestly scruple , especially such as read the Canon , which explains the sense in which 't is used . How is this justifyable upon your Ground ? Lastly , I take leave to ask a few Questions about the meaning of your Text and Context . 1. Query . Whether to say ye are the Body , and ye are of the Body , be the same ? 2. Whether therefore the Individual Church of Corinth is not here made an entire Body , of which every Christian in Communion with it was a particular Member ? 3. And whether 't is absurd that our Saviour should have a Metaphorical Body , which is in him , and he in it ; Where-ever there is a number of True Believers following all the Institutes , and exercising all the Discipline which they can have , according to the best of their understanding and means ? 4. Whether when Schism is in the 25th Verse used in opposition to having the same care for one another , it does not shew that Schism consists not in the dividing Communion through difference of Opinions , but through want of Charity , and that care which Christians in the same Neighbourhood ought to have of each other . After all that I have offer'd to your consideration , I must own that these are the sudden thoughts of one who believes he may be saved without understanding the Notion of Church-Government as 't is intreagu'd between Clergy-men of all sides . And believes the Church of England to be a True Church , notwithstanding it and the Romish might formerly have been Antichristian ; though a learned London Minister pretends not to understand how then this should come to be true . Jan. 30. 168. The Second LETTER . SIR , NOT doubting your candor and integrity , I went to Church this day with full expectation of your attempting , at least , to clear your way from the Objections I had sent you , before you expatiated upon your , as I may call it , uncharitable Hypothesis . Surely every thing which I urged is not to be contemned ; but I must needs say , I could not meet with one Passage in your last Sermon which look'd like so much as an offer towards my satisfaction : Wherefore I conjure you , as a Protestant Divine , to answer my Doubts categorically . For which end , I hope you will not refer me to what Mr. D — or any profest Papist has wrote on this Subject , unless you will avow all that they have said on the necessity of the intention of the Priest to concur with his Acts , or otherwise . Your last Discourse occasions only my adding this farther Query . Whether if the nature of Catholick Communion requires a readiness to communicate with any sound Church , and yet a Church obliges us to communicate with that alone , while distance does not hinder the occasional and frequent communion with others ? Is not that Church guilty of Schism in such an Injunction , contrary to the nature of Catholick Communion ? Or at least is it not impossible that he who communicates sometimes with one True Church , sometimes with another , can be a Schismatick , or any more than an Offender against a positive humane Law. Be pleased to send me your thoughts upon the particulars of my enquiry to &c. directed to , SIR , Your Servant , Anonymus . Feb. 4. 1682 / 3. The Third LETTER . Feb. 19. 1682 / 3. SIR , SInce it is more than probable that I have occasioned the speedy printing of your Discourses concerning Church-Communion . I am now become a Debtor to the Churches of God , to publish those Objections which arose in my mind , and which you have not yet thought fit to answer , though earnestly press'd thereunto . And me-thinks you who have heretofore been a zealous Patron for universal Grace , should be very ready to clear your self from the least imputation of stinting it more than our most gracious God , nay than your most narrow principled Adversaries have ever done . Though he who questions the Dictates of his Spiritual Guids , had need run to the protection of Obscurity ; yet one would think , that he who prints in the dark what he publish'd on the House top , before the Face of the Congregation , brings a foul suspition upon his Doctrine . 'T is well known that the Pulpit is more licensed from Contradiction than the Press ; wherefore the former is most properly assigned for a Clergy-mans Recantation : Nor indeed did I think you far from making publick satisfaction , when you own'd , ( in your Sermon preach'd Feb. 11. on Luke 12. vers . 4 , 5. ) That the Censures of the Church are formidable only when duly applied ; and that God Almighty has not trusted fallible Men with a power of shutting out those whom he will receive . Keep to this , and make good your Notion of Schism if you can : If Schism be , as you say , a very great Sin , and such as will damn us , as soon as Adultery and Murder , God forbid that it should consist in such ticklish Points as would place many thousands of truly charitable and pious Men within the fatal Roll. But to my thinking , while you blame Men for having no Notion at all of a Church , or no Notion of one Church , and that they know not wherein the Unity and Communion of this Church consists , you remove their Guilt , and grant that their Schism is involuntary , and only an Error of their Understandings . Alas ! mistaken honest Men , how unhappy is your condition , who must be damn'd for not understanding Dr. Sherlock , when he fancies that he puts Matters past all doubt ! tho others may think he only amuses People with equivocal Words and Terms . I beg of you to consider , whether you do not impose upon your self , or would not upon others by a confused notion of the Church , and of separation from it , wherein you make Schism to consist . Great is Diana of the Ephesians , and great is the use of the word Church , when good Crafts-masters have the handling of it ; and of all Men those of Rome have succeeded best at this play of words . By the using it indefinitely as you do , the Pope keeps the Kevs of Heaven and Hell at his Girdle ; and truly this in some Cases comprehends things as different as Heaven and Hell are , such as shall be sav'd , and such as are already under the dominion of Satan . If you use it for several purposes , I hope for the future you will define what you mean by the Church , when you are to consider it as Catholick and Universal , what when you take it in a more restrain'd sence , otherwise you speak not like a Minister of the Gospel , but as one that would pervert that use of words which in you especially God Almighty designed for instructing us candidly in the Truth . Indeed you may play a little more securely with the word Schism , because ( unless it be taken to lie wholly in want of Charity ) People may not so well understand what it is , how distinctly soever the Notion of Churches be taught them ; surely 't is much a question whether it lies wholly in causless separation from a sound part of the Catholick Church . To my thinking , St. Paul when he speaks of it , supposes a continuance still of the same Body , and ascribes it to Christians continuing such , nay , and communicating with each other . Thus writing to the Corinthians , of whom he says ; Ye are the Body of Christ , and Members in particular . He tells you , to this effect , that there is but one Spirit which communicates it self amongst them in various Dispensations , and enables them , according to their different Capacities and Attainments , to promote each others growth in Grace . And then having compared them to the several parts of a natural Body ; God , saith he , hath tempered the Body together , having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked . That there should be no Schism in the Body , but that the Members should have the same care for one another . Which seems no more than that God obliges the Members of his Church to live together charitably , and to be ready to assist each other from the consideration of the distribution of his Gifts and Graces in such manner , that even the meanest and most despised Christian may administer Aid and Comfort to those that are in the highest Station . But all this was written to the Church at Corinth , that Body of Christ there , which assembled together in the same place , and yet the Apostle charges them with real Schism ; for , says he ; Whereas there is among you envying , and strife , and divisions ; are ye not carnal , and walk as Men ? But from the Apostle's Notion of Schism , I shall come to yours , as you have jumbled it together with the equivocal word Church ; of which you would make one believe , that there can be no true Idea , but as particular visible , nay , and that national too ; wherefore be pleased to weigh a little with your self : 1. Whether you do not appropriate that to the National Church , which belongs to the Catholick visible and invisible ? As where you say , No Man has a right to any Act of Christian Communion , but he who is in a state of Communion with the Christian Church . that no Man is in Communion with a Church which he is not a Member of : And that he is no Member of the Church , who is not at least visibly admitted into God's Covenant by Baptism . Now I would ask you this plain Question . Whether a Man has a right to be of a particular Church , as he is a Christian ; that is , I should think , a true Member of the Catholick Church : or becomes a Christian only as receiv'd into a particular Church ? I take it , Infants are received with us , by virtue of the federal right in the Parents ; and as the Apostle says , The believing Wife sanctifies the unbelieving Husband , else were the Children unclean . Nor I conceive doth our Church receive any adult Person , whom it does not believe to be a true Christian before ? But to make your Fallacy the more evident , you tell us ; The Divine Spirit confines his Influences and Operations to the Unity of the Church , as the same Apostle tells us , That there is but one Body , and one Spirit ; which plainly signifies that the Operations of this one Spirit are appropriated to this one Body , as the Soul is to the Body it animates . I would fain know what need any Man has to deny this for avoiding the Consequence , that therefore 't is an improper way for edification , to forsake Communion with a National sound Church where he lives ; for the Apostle makes it as plain as words can make it , that he speaks of the Invisible , as well as Visible Church . For the Passage you cite , Ephes. 4. 4. is but a continuation of what the Apostle taught in the foregoing Chapter , where he says ; For this cause I bow my Knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Of whom the whole Family in Heaven and in Earth is named . This which is there called a Family , is elsewhere the whole Body of which Christ is the Head , the increase and edifying of which Body in love is ascribed to his Influence . If I should enter my self of another Family , not owned by Christ , I thereby should renounce all claim to the Promises of the Gospel : But admit several parts of this great Family live by different Customs and Rules , not owning each others Members for their own ; in which case you will have them separate Churches , as well as upon the account of Doctrine , Government , or Worship , provided the things wherein they differ , and for which they make distinct Communions , are not destructive of common Christianity ; doth he put himself out of Christ's Family , who can and actually doth comply with the Rules and Customs of both ? One would think that a Member of the Church of England communicating with Presbyterians here , does not thereby enter into a state of Separation , even from this Particular Church , because he does not thereby so much as virtually renounce the Communion of our Church , being nothing is required of him to capacitate him for Communion with them which is not required in our Church , much less any thing contrary to it ; and perhaps the Independents may come within the last circumstance : But to be sure , neither of them forsake our Church in what essentially constitutes it a Church of Christ : and therefore it does yet remain a Question , whether this can be a separation from the Communion of Catholick Church , that happy Family above-mentioned . You know even , in the Primitive Times , about the end of the second Century , there fell out a Division between the Latin and Asian Churches , and that upon what one would think were neither Matter of Doctrine , of Government , nor of Worship , for it was only about the Time of keeping Easter Holy-day . Victor the Bishop of the Latin Church , in a Council , or as some will have it , a full representative of that Church excommunicates the poor Asians for a little mistake in Arithmetick ; each Church was far from owning the others Members as its own . Here was a Schism . perhaps on both sides , especially on theirs who were so peremptory in imposing their own computation for Catholick . But what should the poor Lay Christians do in this divided state , could they not Communicate with both , or either , without danger of Schism themselves ? or , was it as necessary to know which was in the right , as to know which is the True Religion ? 'T was not enough in such case to know which of these divided Communions was a true and sound Member of the Catholick Church ; which when known , they were bound to communicate with ; for here both were sound Members , at least they might be , notwithstanding this Difference : And yet according to you , they who communicated with both these , were contrary to themselves , and on one side or other went sure to be Schismaticks : and if you please , you may say the Prayers and Sacraments in those Churches , were not Acts of Christian Communion , but of Schismatical Combinations . But , secondly , I must desire you to consider , whether you do not enforce the necessity of communicating with the National Church , from Arguments which prove no more , than that Men ought to serve God in publick in distinct Congregations , as well as in private and so apply that to a National Church , which belongs to the Church in a more limited sense ? But this is no wonder , since you manifestly go upon the Supposition , that there can be no True Church which is not National , at least , which is not the only true Church within the Nation or City where one resides . Upon which Ground you affirm ; That , Actual Communion , during our residence in any certain place , must be confined to that particular Church in which we live , if it be a sound part of the Christian Church ; or , as you elsewhere vary it , the sound and orthodox Part of the Catholick Church which he finds in that place . Now if there be a possibility that there should be several sound and orthodox Parts in the same place , be it the same City or same Nation , all your building here falls to the Ground . Wherefore I desire you to consider , whether it is not possible that at Aleppo , for the purpose , or any other place where the National Religion is Ethnick , there may be several sound parts of the Catholick Church , as the Greek or the French Protestants , and the English Churches , with either of which one may communicate as sound parts of the Catholick ? But to come back to your method of bringing all into the National , you tell us that you suppose no Man will deny but that every Christian is bound to worship God according to our Saviour's Institution ; and what that is , we cannot learn better than from the Example of the Primitive Christians ; of whom St. Luke gives us this account , They continued stedfast in the Apostles Doctrine and Worship , and in breaking of Bread. According to your own Argument here , would it not seem that the only Church of our Saviour's instituting , is such an one as is described 1 Cor. 14. 23. where 't is said , If therefore the whole Church be come together into one place , and all speak with Tongues , and there come in those that are unlearned , or unbelievers , will they not say that ye are mad ? Pray , Sir , is it absurd to suppose , that there should be several such Churches in a City ? May not every one of these have lawful terms of communion , such as an honest minded Christian may submit unto , though some of them may have harder than others ? May not such a Man be more especially united in Communion , ( be it as a Member , or how you will call it ) to that which he thinks the best , and yet occasionally communicate with others , without being an occasional Member of Christ's Body which , is but one , united in Charity under differences of Opinions and Practices ? Admit that two of these Churches divide from each other by separate Communion , and by making more things necessary to Communion with either than Christ made , make a Schism and Rent in Christ's Body ; why does it follow that he who can and does communicate with both , as requiring nothing of him which he looks upon as sinful , must needs be guilty of Schism ? which if you think it a clearer Expression , you may call communicating in a Schism . To follow you in your Repetitions , to this purpose you assert , That we must perform the constant Acts of Communion in that part of the Catholick Church , in which we constantly live and communicate occasionally , with that part of the Church where we are occasionally present . And that , There cannot be two distinct Churches in the same place , one for occasional , and another for constant Communion without Schism : for it is evident those two are distinct Communions , and that our Relation to them is as different as it is to an House we live in , and to an Inn where we lodg for a Night . But it is evident that one of these must need be cut off from Christ's Body ; if not , why may I not communicate with one , or both , and thereby communicate with the Catholick Church ? But besides , how came you here to talk of a different Relation , and as if that look'd like occasional Membership , by which you elsewhere would expose such Communion ? When before you had told us , That the Communion of the Church does not make us Members of any particular Church . Then again , how does it appear that it is necessary to communion with the Catholick Church , that we must perform the constant Acts of Communion , in that part of the Catholick Church where we constantly lives . Farther , is it self-evident that I am bound to communicate so much as sometimes with a sound part of the Catholick Church , because I live where there is such an one ? You may remember vvhat Mr. Chillingworth said to this purpose , with the approbation of the great Learned Men of this Time. If , says that Admirable Author , your require the belief of any Error among the conditions of your Communion , our Obligation to communicate with you ceases , and so the imputation of Schism to us vanishes into nothing , but lies heavy upon you for making our Separation from you just and necessary , by requiring unnecessary and unlawful conditions of Communion . Truly I should think that that which essentially makes one a Member of Christ , and so of his Church , is the Faith of the Lord Jesus Christ , this is fundamental to it , intrinsecal and essential . What is external and visible in respect of the Members which are gathered to Christ the Head of the Church , is subject to changes and various circumstances of this outward World. And 't would be an hard case with us , if what is not within our power , as the derivation of an uninterrupted succession of Church-Officers , or the like , should be the concernment of our Souls . To this purpose , I cannot omit another Passage of Mr. Chillingworth's . I believe , says he , our Saviour ever since his Ascension , hath had , in some place or other , a visible true Church on Earth , I mean , a company of Men that professed at least so much as was necessary to Salvation ; and I believe there vvill be somevvhere or other such a Church to the World's end . I am sure your Notions tend to the destroying the foundation of all Mr. Chillingworth's Arguments : and methinks you should be loth to deprive Protestantism of such a Champion , though by the bafling him , you might the more securely triumph over that part of it to which you seem to oppose your self . I will not here dispute ( because it alters not the state of any Question which I sent you ) whether I mistook you , or you have since corrected what you preach'd concerning the Rites of Admission into the Church . Now you tell us that the Persons invested with Power and Authority to receive others into the Church-Covenant , must do it according to the terms and conditions of the Covenant ; and by such Covenant-Rites , and Forms of Admission , as he , viz. God , is pleased to institute ; which under the Gospel is Baptism , as under the Law it was Circumcision . Truly I had thought you had said , such Rites as they , viz. the Church-Governors , fallible Men , had thought fit , which is but needful to your Hypothesis . But if the Rites and Forms of Admission must be of God's institution , what think you of the Sign of the Cross , of which Dr. Stilling fleet says , As Baptism is a Rite of Admission into Christ's Catholick Church , so the Sign of the Cross is into our Church . But then , as Baptism is compared unto Circumcision , does not the Apostle decide the Question , when he tells us , That Circumcision is that of the Heart ? I have only one farther Consideration to press to you , which is , That you would seriously bethink your self , whether your method of converting these damnable Schismaticks , who are in your Opinion as bad as Murderers and Adulterers , be not the most effectual means of keeping up the Schism ? If want of Charity makes Schismaticks , surely this is not the way to convince them that that guilt lies at their Door . Certainly if our Church required conformity to its Rites and Ceremonies as necessary to Salvation , it could not blame Men for dividing from it ; and he who tells us , or he says nothing , That the Divine Spirit confines his Influences and Operations to the Unity of the Church , in such Conformity , not only makes such Conformity necessary to Salvation , but imputes to the Church the Damnation of many thousands of Souls , who might expect to be saved upon other terms . I hope you are none of those that think Dissenters come in too fast , and that they are to be preach'd out again . I heartily wish they could conquer all their Scruples , that we might not only have such love and sympathy as is peculiar to the Members of the same Body : which I hope all good Christians have as Members of Christ's Body , though of different Communions , but that all might be able to go to the House of God together , as Friends , of one Mind and one Heart . For my part , if I had any Scruples of this kind , they would arise from what our Church-men infuse ; and when you talk of the danger of communicating in a Schism , it would make me bethink my self , whether the Church with which I communicate , may not be guilty of imposing something or other contrary to the nature of Catholick Communion , or beyond the Power entrusted with it , for edification and not for destruction . If you had pleas'd , this Controversy had bin managed in a more private manner ; but since you have thought fit to print , you have hereby determined the choice of ( SIR ) Your humble Servant , &c. POSTSCRIPT . SInce my writing the foregoing Letter , I received your Book , particularly directed to Anonymus : By which I am obliged to believe , either that you avow the Consequences which I formerly urg'd to you , or think them not rightly inferr'd : If the first , I have nothing more to say to you , only to entreat you to consider , whether you would not perswade Men to Uniformity , by means which tend to the begetting a low opinion of God himself , and of all reveal'd Religion ? If the last be made appear to me , assure your self I will not long conceal my Conviction . Feb. 24. 1682 / 3. FINIS . ERRATA . Page 17. l. 11. read Christian-Charity . lb. l. 22. read them . Page 21. l. 13. add the before Catholick . ADVERTISEMENT . THere is now published the third Edition of the Conformist's Plea for the Nonconformists . Or a Just and Compassionate Representation of the present State and Condition of the Nonconformists . As to 1. The Greatness of their Sufferings , with some Relations thereof . 2. Hardness of their Case , as to what i● enjoined . 3. Reasonableness of their Proposals of Amendments . 4. Qualifications , and Worth of their Persons . 5. Peaceableness of their Behaviour . 6. The Church's Prejudice by their Exclusion , &c. With an humble Apology for their Publick Preaching , and Suspension of the Penal Laws against them . By a Beneficed Minister of the Church of England . To this Edition is added a full Vindication of the Nonconformists , from the foul Charge of the Murder of the late King , the whole Matter of Fact is here related , viz. The London Ministers , about sixty in number , with many more from several Counties , appeared and presented their Testimony to the Council of Officers , declaring their utter abhorrency of the Army's Proceedings against the King's Life , and Monarchical Government . And the Author hath also thought fit to give a full account out of the Writings of Dr. Du-Moulin , and others , that the Jesuits ( assisted by a Faction in the Army ) contrived and executed that horrid Villany . Printed for Jonathan Robinson , at the Golden Lion in St. Paul's Church-Yard . 1683. Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A26184-e120 Acts 10. 34 , 35. Resol . of Cases of Conscience , &c. Pag. 5. lbid . Pag. 33. P. 5. supra . Pag. 48. Cave's Antiq . Apostol . Fol. 211. Ib. Fol. 210. 2dly . 19th Artic. Dr. Stilling . Answer to several Treatises occasion'd by his Book about Idolatry . Pag. 275. Pag. 276. Dr. Tillotson's Sermon 1 Cor. 3. 15. last Ed. Pag. 59. Dr. Stilling . Rational Account . p. 359. Notes for div A26184-e1150 The 30th Canon calls it , a lawful outward Ceremony and honourable Badg ; Whereby the Infant is dedicated to the Service of him who died upon the Cross. V. Jovian . Notes for div A26184-e2540 1 Cor. 9. 16. The Dr's . Resol . of Cases of Conscience , with respect to Church-Com . p. 49. Ib. pag. 50. 1 Cor. 12. Vers. 24. Vers. 25. 1 Cor. 14. 1 Cor. 3. 3. Cases of Conscience concorning Church Commun . p. 10. Pag. 13. Pag. 5. Pag. 48. Eph. 3. 14. Vers. 15. Eph. 4. 16. Pag. 23. Pag. 22. Pag. 37. Pag. 39. Pag. 40. Pag. 17. 2dly . Pag. 23. Pag. 33. Acts 2. 42. Pag. 49. Ibid. Pag. 41. Pag. 42. Pag. 39. Pag. 14. Pag. 15. Pag. 13. Pag. 5. Mischief of Separat . p. 351. Rom. 2. 29. Pag. 49. Vers. 48 ▪ Pag. 47.