A conference between two Protestants and a papist, occasion'd by the late seasonable discourse
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             A conference between two Protestants and a papist, occasion'd by the late seasonable discourse
             Lloyd, William, 1627-1717.
          
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           A
           CONFERENCE
           BETWEEN
           Two
           Protestants
           AND
           A
           PAPIST
           ;
           Occasion'd
           by
           the
           Late
           Seasonable
           Discourse
           .
        
         
           
             Anno
             Dom.
          
           1673.
           
        
      
       
         
         
           To
           the
           Reader
           .
        
         
           AS
           Chance
           is
           sometimes
           more
           lucky
           than
           Design
           ,
           an
           unexpected
           Re●contre
           has
           discovered
           more
           to
           me
           of
           the
           Inside
           of
           Papists
           ,
           than
           I
           could
           ever
           learn
           by
           Enquiry
           .
           I
           carried
           a
           Friend
           o●
           mine
           to
           a
           Coffee-house
           ,
           with
           no
           farther
           thoughts
           ,
           than
           to
           divert
           my self
           for
           half
           an
           hour
           ,
           and
           oblige
           him
           by
           ●n
           entertainment
           of
           little
           expense
           .
           In
           a
           corner
           of
           ●he
           Room
           I
           observ'd
           a
           Papist
           ,
           one
           whom
           I
           had
           long
           known
           ,
           alone
           and
           pensive
           ,
           entertaining
           himself
           with
           his
           thoughts
           and
           pipe
           ,
           and
           little
           minding
           
           the
           rest
           of
           the
           Company
           ,
           which
           was
           all
           seated
           some
           distance
           from
           him
           .
           The
           convenience
           of
           the
           place
           invited
           us
           to
           sit
           down
           by
           him
           ,
           and
           there
           happen'd
           a
           discourse
           betwixt
           us
           ,
           which
           I
           here
           communicate
           to
           you
           ,
           as
           near
           as
           I
           can
           in
           the
           〈◊〉
           words
           in
           which
           it
           past
           ,
           at
           least
           I
           am
           confident
           not
           differing
           in
           substance
           :
           for
           as
           soon
           as
           we
           parted
           I
           went
           immediately
           home
           ,
           and
           writ
           it
           down
           ,
           and
           as
           my
           memory
           was
           then
           fresh
           ,
           and
           my
           attention
           had
           been
           great
           ,
           I
           believe
           I
           have
           omitted
           nothing
           which
           was
           material
           .
           To
           avoid
           repetitions
           I
           will
           put
           an
           F.
           for
           my
           Friend
           ,
           a
           P.
           for
           the
           Papist
           ,
           and
           for
           my self
           an
           N.
           After
           the
           usual
           passages
           of
           civility
           were
           ended
           ,
           I
           began
           the
           Discourse
           in
           this
           manner
           .
        
      
    
     
       
         
         
           A
           Conference
           ,
           &c.
           
        
         
           
             N.
             
          
           
             I
             Am
             sorry
             to
             observe
             your
             pensiveness
             .
             Will
             you
             permit
             me
             to
             guess
             at
             the
             cause
             ,
             and
             tell
             you
             ,
             I
             suspect
             the
             late
             
               Seasonable
               Discourse
            
             may
             have
             some
             share
             in
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             was
             indeed
             thinking
             of
             that
             Book
             .
          
        
         
           
             N.
             
          
           
             Truly
             I
             cannot
             blame
             your
             trouble
             .
             That
             Gentleman
             has
             treated
             you
             something
             severely
             ;
             and
             if
             a
             Book
             which
             brings
             you
             so
             much
             shame
             ,
             bring
             you
             some
             sorrow
             too
             ,
             you
             may
             be
             pardoned
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             must
             confess
             I
             was
             very
             sorry
             to
             see
             that
             Book
             ,
             though
             for
             other
             reasons
             ,
             it
             may
             be
             ,
             than
             those
             which
             you
             imagine
             .
             But
             why
             do
             you
             think
             it
             so
             shameful
             to
             us
             ?
          
        
         
           
             N.
             
          
           
             Why
             ,
             is
             it
             not
             a
             great
             shame
             to
             be
             such
             stiff
             Enemies
             ●s
             you
             are
             to
             so
             glorious
             a
             Church
             as
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ;
             and
             such
             stiff
             ma●ntainers
             of
             so
             stupid
             a
             Religion
             as
             yours
             is
             ?
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             For
             my
             Religion
             ,
             this
             is
             no
             place
             to
             give
             account
             of
             it
             .
             There
             are
             Books
             enough
             which
             treat
             of
             that
             Subject
             .
             Only
             ,
             since
             you
             are
             acquainted
             with
             me
             ,
             I
             appeal
             to
             your self
             ,
             whether
             you
             do
             in
             earnest
             believe
             me
             so
             stupid
             as
             to
             be
             given
             to
             Idolatry
             ,
             or
             Supersti●ion
             ,
             
             or
             the
             belief
             of
             Stories
             as
             impossible
             as
             
               Amadis
               de
               Gaul
            
             or
             the
             
               Knight
               of
               the
               Sun
            
             ,
             which
             that
             Gentleman
             charges
             on
             us
             .
          
        
         
           
             N.
             
          
           
             I
             must
             declare
             I
             think
             better
             of
             you
             .
             But
             you
             cannot
             deny
             your
             e●●●●ty
             to
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             am
             ●a●
             from
             being
             an
             Enemie
             to
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             By
             your
             favour
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             your
             principles
             are
             so
             fitted
             to
             the
             greatness
             of
             your
             great
             Spiritual
             Monarch
             ,
             that
             you
             cannot
             be
             friends
             to
             any
             Church
             but
             ●is
             ,
             no
             not
             ev●n
             of
             your
             own
             communion
             .
             For
             you
             hold
             that
             nothing
             ,
             upon
             the
             matter
             ,
             can
             be
             done
             in
             matters
             o●
             Religion
             ,
             but
             what
             is
             done
             at
             Rome
             .
             A
             Convocation
             not
             call'd
             by
             allowance
             from
             thence
             ,
             is
             thought
             but
             a
             Conventicle
             .
             A
             Bishop
             cannot
             be
             made
             ,
             a
             Canonry
             ,
             a
             Rectory
             granted
             ,
             no
             Dispensation
             given
             ,
             no
             Ecclesiastical
             Authority
             exerc●z'd
             ,
             but
             the
             Pope
             must
             be
             at
             one
             end
             .
             I
             say
             nothing
             of
             our
             controversial
             Differences
             ,
             because
             I
             perceive
             you
             are
             not
             willing
             to
             meddle
             with
             them
             .
             But
             't
             is
             plain
             that
             while
             you
             hold
             thus
             ,
             all
             but
             Italians
             ,
             and
             those
             of
             the
             Popes
             Territories
             too
             ,
             must
             needs
             be
             back
             friends
             to
             the
             Churches
             of
             their
             Native
             Countreys
             .
             Nay
             ,
             you
             are
             within
             a
             little
             of
             leaving
             no
             Churches
             to
             which
             you
             might
             be
             kind
             .
             For
             what
             is
             a
             Church
             without
             Authority
             ?
             And
             if
             all
             Authority
             be
             in
             the
             Church
             of
             Rome
             ,
             she
             is
             the
             onely
             Church
             ,
             and
             all
             the
             rest
             but
             so
             many
             Parishes
             of
             her
             large
             Diocese
             ,
             so
             much
             the
             worse
             to
             be
             govern'd
             ,
             by
             how
             much
             they
             are
             farther
             distant
             from
             the
             onely
             true
             Bishop
             :
             for
             the
             rest
             will
             have
             no
             more
             than
             the
             name
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             How
             little
             do
             you
             understand
             how
             the
             world
             goes
             ?
             'T
             is
             ●rue
             ,
             there
             are
             of
             my
             Religion
             who
             are
             possest
             with
             this
             fancy
             ,
             that
             unless
             the
             Bishop
             of
             Rome
             intervene
             almost
             in
             every
             thing
             ,
             nothing
             is
             well
             done
             .
             And
             this
             I
             believe
             happens
             in
             a
             great
             measure
             ,
             from
             a
             p●ece
             of
             Policie
             the
             greatest
             that
             ever
             has
             been
             practised
             in
             that
             Court.
             At
             least
             I
             have
             been
             inform'd
             so
             by
             one
             who
             assured
             me
             he
             learn'd
             so
             much
             at
             Rome
             it self
             ,
             and
             that
             from
             a
             Regular
             too
             .
             And
             that
             is
             ,
             the
             Exemptions
             which
             have
             been
             granted
             to
             most
             Regulars
             ,
             and
             many
             Chapters
             ,
             which
             have
             been
             exempted
             to
             a
             great
             degree
             from
             the
             Jurisdiction
             of
             their
             respective
             Bishops
             ,
             and
             subjected
             immediately
             to
             the
             Pope
             .
             These
             Communities
             thus
             exempted
             ,
             are
             obliged
             for
             their
             own
             Interest
             ,
             and
             to
             prese●ve
             the
             ●dvantages
             which
             they
             enjoy
             by
             exemption
             ,
             to
             magnifie
             
             the
             Power
             which
             exempted
             them
             .
             By
             which
             means
             ,
             both
             they
             themselves
             are
             brought
             to
             depend
             on
             the
             Pope
             alone
             ,
             and
             Bishops
             too
             ,
             who
             ,
             all
             dependance
             on
             them
             being
             thus
             taken
             away
             ,
             are
             left
             weak
             and
             defenseless
             ,
             and
             unable
             to
             maintain
             their
             due
             Authority
             .
             I
             cannot
             tell
             whether
             the
             Jealousies
             of
             Princes
             ,
             peradv●nture
             suspicious
             of
             too
             much
             Authority
             in
             their
             Subjects
             ,
             have
             no●
             much
             contributed
             to
             this
             eff●ct
             .
             For
             I
             see
             that
             in
             some
             places
             they
             have
             made
             particular
             agreements
             with
             the
             Pope
             ,
             against
             the
             inclinations
             ,
             and
             even
             Remonstrances
             of
             their
             own
             people
             ,
             according
             to
             which
             their
             Bishops
             are
             forced
             to
             regulate
             themselves
             .
             However
             it
             be
             this
             Paramount
             ,
             Omnipotent
             (
             if
             I
             may
             so
             call
             it
             )
             Authority
             of
             the
             B●shop
             of
             Rome
             has
             been
             cry'd
             up
             so
             much
             ,
             and
             so
             long
             ,
             and
             by
             so
             many
             ,
             and
             those
             so
             much
             concern'd
             (
             though
             thought
             disinteressed
             by
             the
             vulgar
             )
             that
             it
             has
             now
             gain'd
             a
             great
             vogue
             ,
             and
             passes
             among
             those
             who
             look
             not
             into
             things
             ,
             for
             unq●estionable
             .
             And
             yet
             the
             vogue
             is
             much
             less
             now
             than
             heretofore
             ,
             before
             our
             Countreyman
             Occam
             began
             to
             write
             in
             behalf
             of
             Lewis
             of
             Bavaria
             .
             Notwithstanding
             still
             there
             are
             who
             think
             the
             cry
             greater
             than
             the
             wool
             ,
             and
             even
             complain
             and
             wish
             for
             remedy
             .
             That
             Author
             ,
             and
             you
             after
             him
             look
             upon
             this
             as
             part
             of
             my
             Religion
             ,
             when
             alas
             !
             how
             many
             are
             there
             of
             my
             Religion
             who
             look
             upon
             it
             as
             a
             grievance
             ?
             They
             were
             of
             my
             Religion
             who
             made
             the
             several
             S●atures
             of
             Provisors
             and
             Praemunire
             ,
             which
             alone
             would
             serve
             for
             answer
             to
             a
             good
             par●
             of
             the
             Book
             in
             question
             .
             However
             they
             declare
             there
             very
             plainly
             that
             the
             interposing
             of
             the
             Court
             of
             Rome
             ,
             and
             this
             even
             in
             presentments
             to
             Benefices
             or
             at
             least
             cogn●●●nce
             of
             the
             Plea
             ,
             translation
             of
             Bishop●
             ,
             &c.
             (
             which
             be
             matters
             Spiritual
             enough
             )
             are
             clearly
             against
             the
             King●
             Crown
             and
             his
             Regality
             used
             and
             approved
             of
             the
             time
             of
             all
             his
             Progenitors
             —
             That
             the
             Crown
             of
             England
             hath
             been
             so
             free
             at
             all
             times
             ,
             that
             it
             hath
             been
             in
             no
             Earthly
             Subjection
             ,
             but
             immediately
             subject
             to
             God
             in
             all
             things
             ,
             touching
             the
             regality
             of
             the
             same
             ,
             
               and
               to
               none
               other
            
             —
             And
             
               God
               defend
            
             ,
             say
             they
             ,
             
               it
               should
               be
               submitted
               to
               the
               Pope
            
             (
             as
             by
             the
             interposing
             aforesaid
             they
             declare
             it
             would
             )
             and
             the
             Laws
             and
             Statutes
             of
             the
             Realm
             by
             him
             defeated
             and
             avoided
             at
             his
             will
             —
             Besides
             ,
             that
             they
             will
             stand
             with
             the
             King
             ,
             his
             Crown
             and
             Regality
             in
             the
             cases
             aforesaid
             ,
             and
             
               in
               all
               other
               cases
               attempted
               against
               him
               ,
               his
               Crown
               and
               Regality
            
             in
             all
             points
             
             to
             live
             and
             die
             .
             I
             know
             not
             ,
             but
             methinks
             't
             is
             very
             strange
             that
             People
             should
             be
             suspected
             of
             disaffection
             to
             their
             National
             Church
             ,
             and
             this
             out
             of
             too
             much
             affection
             to
             the
             Pope
             ,
             who
             a
             low
             not
             the
             Pope
             to
             meddle
             so
             much
             as
             with
             the
             most
             inconsiderable
             Benefice
             of
             the
             Nation
             .
             I
             conceive
             it
             is
             the
             right
             of
             every
             N●tional
             Church
             to
             provide
             for
             the
             particular
             concerns
             of
             that
             Nation
             ,
             without
             any
             necessity
             of
             recourse
             to
             Forreigners
             .
             Sure
             I
             am
             that
             we
             who
             live
             now
             ,
             are
             as
             true
             Englishmen
             as
             our
             Ancestors
             ,
             and
             love
             Forreigners
             no
             more
             ,
             nor
             think
             our selves
             ty'd
             to
             more
             subjection
             to
             them
             .
             If
             the
             State
             would
             think
             fit
             to
             allow
             us
             Englishmen
             ,
             s●ch
             of
             who●e
             fidelity
             and
             aff●ction
             to
             their
             Countrey
             they
             were
             well
             assured
             ,
             to
             whom
             we
             might
             have
             recourse
             for
             our
             spirit●al
             concerns
             ,
             we
             should
             quickly
             remove
             their
             jealousies
             that
             we
             are
             over
             much
             affected
             to
             Strangers
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             If
             you
             be
             so
             little
             affected
             to
             Strangers
             ,
             why
             do
             you
             not
             enter
             into
             t●e
             communion
             of
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ?
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             While
             our
             controversial
             differences
             remain
             undecided
             ,
             if
             we
             come
             ,
             we
             must
             come
             with
             bad
             Consciences
             ▪
             and
             I
             suppose
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             would
             not
             admit
             of
             Hypocrites
             .
             Neither
             indeed
             is
             it
             for
             her
             safety
             to
             receive
             those
             who
             do
             not
             believe
             as
             she
             doe●
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             If
             we
             must
             not
             expect
             you
             till
             the
             differences
             of
             Religion
             be
             determined
             ,
             I
             expect
             you
             not
             till
             Doomsday
             .
             People
             have
             writ
             and
             writ
             these
             hundred
             years
             ,
             and
             the
             more
             they
             write
             ,
             the
             further
             we
             are
             from
             agreeing
             .
             The
             end
             of
             Controversie
             and
             the
             end
             of
             the
             World
             I
             believe
             will
             happen
             both
             in
             one
             day
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             With
             any
             other
             Church
             of
             the
             Reformation
             perhaps
             it
             might
             be
             as
             you
             say
             :
             but
             I
             do
             not
             think
             the
             Controversies
             betwixt
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             and
             us
             so
             irreconcileable
             as
             you
             imagine
             .
             And
             for
             this
             reason
             understanding
             Catholicks
             are
             more
             affected
             to
             her
             than
             any
             Church
             of
             the
             Reformation
             .
             She
             began
             the
             Separation
             in
             an
             orderly
             way
             ,
             and
             free
             from
             those
             tumultuous
             violences
             which
             happened
             in
             other
             places
             .
             And
             as
             things
             carried
             by
             deliberation
             are
             always
             better
             done
             ,
             than
             when
             they
             are
             hurried
             on
             by
             heady
             ra●●ness
             ,
             though
             we
             think
             she
             has
             gone
             t●o
             far
             ,
             yet
             I
             believe
             her
             moderation
             has
             preserved
             what
             may
             one
             day
             
             help
             much
             to
             closing
             the
             breach
             betwixt
             us
             ,
             when
             Gods
             providence
             shall
             employ
             men
             about
             it
             who
             truly
             d●sire
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             Pray
             what
             do
             you
             mean
             by
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             mean
             more
             than
             I
             shall
             perhaps
             upon
             the
             sudden
             remember
             .
             You
             must
             be
             contented
             with
             what
             occurs
             .
             F●rst
             we
             o●●●●ve
             that
             she
             ,
             and
             peradventure
             she
             alone
             ,
             has
             pr●serv'd
             the
             face
             of
             a
             continued
             mission
             ,
             and
             uninterrupted
             Ord●nation
             .
             Then
             i●
             Doctrines
             her
             moderation
             is
             great
             ▪
             She
             professing
             ,
             not
             posi●ively
             to
             disbelieve
             ,
             but
             onely
             not
             to
             believe
             most
             ,
             i●
             not
             ●ll
             ,
             points
             in
             di●ference
             betwixt
             us
             ;
             and
             in
             th●se
             of
             greatest
             concern
             has
             ex●r●st
             her self
             very
             warily
             and
             so
             that
             her
             words
             may
             be
             brought
             to
             ●uit
             with
             our
             belief
             ;
             unl●●●
             where
             to
             gratifie
             ,
             I
             suppose
             other
             dissenters
             ,
             some
             harsh
             expr●ssion
             has
             been
             inserted
             beyond
             the
             intention
             of
             the
             first
             compilers
             of
             her
             Doctrines
             .
             In
             Discipline
             she
             ●reserves
             the
             Government
             by
             Bishops
             ,
             agreeing
             in
             that
             point
             ,
             which
             is
             of
             great
             concern
             ,
             so
             alone
             with
             the
             Church
             of
             Rome
             ,
             th●t
             when
             the
             Reformation
             met
             in
             the
             Synod
             of
             Dort
             ,
             the
             Engl●sh
             ,
             I
             ●hi●k
             ,
             were
             the
             onely
             Bishops
             there
             .
             But
             above
             all
             we
             pr●ze
             in
             h●r
             the
             aversion
             she
             has
             from
             Fan●t●cism
             ,
             and
             that
             wild
             error
             of
             the
             private
             Spirit
             with
             wh●ch
             't
             is
             impossible
             to
             deal
             ,
             since
             what
             they
             believe
             to
             day
             they
             may
             disbelieve
             tomorrow
             .
             From
             this
             absurdity
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             desi●es
             to
             keep
             he●
             self
             free
             .
             She
             holds
             indeed
             that
             Scripture
             is
             the
             Rule
             of
             Controversie
             ;
             but
             she
             hol●s
             withall
             ,
             Tha●
             it
             is
             not
             o●
             private
             interpretation
             .
             She
             is
             for
             
               Vin●●ntius
               Lyrine●sis
               ,
               Quod
               ab
               omnibus
               ,
               quod
               semper
               quod
               ubique
            
             ;
             and
             we
             are
             for
             the
             same
             .
             Our
             Controver●ists
             ind●●d
             generally
             ●●y
             ,
             That
             Tradition
             is
             the
             Rule
             ,
             and
             when
             this
             comes
             to
             be
             scan'd
             I
             believe
             it
             will
             be
             found
             ,
             the
             true
             difference
             is
             more
             in
             words
             than
             meaning
             ;
             at
             least
             it
             may
             soon
             and
             easi●y
             be
             seen
             which
             of
             the
             two
             sp●ak
             more
             properly
             .
             However
             while
             we
             both
             agree
             in
             that
             me●hod
             of
             Vincentius
             ,
             which
             is
             an
             open
             visible
             way
             ,
             and
             has
             nothing
             of
             the
             p●ivate
             ●ancy
             ,
             miscall'd
             the
             Spirit
             ,
             methinks
             '
             twe●e
             no
             ●●ch
             impossible
             thing
             to
             take
             our
             Controversies
             one
             by
             one
             and
             try
             them
             by
             that
             Test.
             We
             shall
             not
             insist
             upon
             what
             is
             not
             Vincenti●●
             p●o●●
             ,
             and
             what
             is
             sh●
             professes
             to
             ●m●race
             as
             well
             as
             we
             .
          
        
         
           
             N.
             
          
           
             I
             m●st
             conf●ss
             I
             did
             not
             reflect
             on
             ●o
             much
             bef●●e
             .
             But
             meth●nks
             so
             many
             learned
             and
             good
             men
             ●aving
             spent
             their
             time
             
             in
             the
             study
             of
             these
             things
             ,
             they
             must
             needs
             have
             thought
             of
             all
             which
             can
             be
             thought
             on
             .
             And
             since
             we
             see
             no
             effect
             of
             all
             their
             medi●ations
             ,
             I
             cannot
             but
             think
             there
             must
             of
             necessity
             be
             more
             in
             the
             case
             ,
             some
             impossibility
             or
             other
             which
             has
             scap'd
             your
             observation
             .
             Otherwise
             why
             should
             the
             breach
             last
             so
             long
             ,
             if
             it
             may
             so
             easily
             be
             closed
             up
             ?
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             am
             not
             so
             vain
             to
             imagin
             I
             see
             all
             that
             can
             be
             seen
             .
             I
             tell
             you
             w●at
             appears
             to
             me
             .
             It
             may
             be
             there
             may
             be
             something
             which
             appears
             not
             .
             But
             I
             wish
             it
             were
             put
             to
             tryal
             ,
             and
             learned
             and
             unpassionate
             men
             employ'd
             to
             consider
             what
             might
             be
             done
             .
             Men
             o●
             animosity
             and
             stiffness
             ,
             do
             more
             harm
             with
             their
             bitterness
             ,
             than
             the●
             can
             do
             good
             with
             their
             learning
             .
             But
             if
             people
             would
             once
             l●y
             aside
             their
             passions
             ,
             and
             not
             look
             upon
             one
             another
             as
             enemies
             ,
             they
             might
             peradventure
             quickly
             cease
             to
             be
             so
             .
             You
             must
             needs
             perceive
             that
             the
             weak
             and
             the
             fierce
             ,
             are
             a
             great
             deal
             more
             numerous
             than
             the
             Judicious
             and
             the
             calm
             .
             When
             any
             thing
             is
             said
             or
             written
             on
             either
             side
             ,
             which
             by
             good
             handling
             might
             be
             improv'd
             to
             some
             degree
             of
             reconcilement
             ,
             generally
             there
             steps
             in
             som
             or
             other
             of
             the
             former
             sort
             ,
             (
             as
             the
             more
             ignorant
             and
             passionate
             a
             man
             is
             ▪
             the
             more
             rash
             and
             busie
             he
             is
             too
             )
             and
             by
             his
             fiery
             zeal
             not
             onely
             choaks
             the
             seed
             of
             any
             good
             overture
             ,
             but
             for
             the
             most
             part
             makes
             things
             worse
             than
             they
             were
             before
             .
             'T
             is
             possible
             there
             may
             be
             some
             who
             do
             not
             desire
             Contentions
             should
             be
             ended
             ;
             whether
             it
             be
             from
             a
             perverseness
             of
             nature
             ,
             or
             the
             consideration
             of
             some
             particular
             Interest
             .
             But
             I
             see
             with
             grief
             that
             moderate
             counsels
             have
             been
             discountenanc'd
             on
             both
             sides
             .
             Even
             this
             Author
             himself
             has
             a
             fling
             at
             Pacific
             writ●rs
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             And
             has
             he
             not
             reason
             ,
             when
             those
             peaceful
             pretences
             are
             but
             baits
             to
             catch
             the
             unwary
             Proselyte
             ,
             who
             when
             he
             is
             once
             hung
             ,
             there
             is
             no
             getting
             loose
             again
             ,
             but
             concessions
             are
             retracted
             ,
             the
             painted
             shews
             washt
             off
             ;
             and
             he
             has
             nothing
             left
             but
             a
             fruitless
             repentance
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             As
             if
             we
             had
             any
             Prisons
             in
             which
             to
             keep
             men
             against
             their
             will
             ,
             and
             every
             man
             were
             no●
             free
             to
             leave
             us
             when
             he
             pleases
             ;
             as
             I
             suppose
             few
             would
             stay
             who
             should
             find
             themselves
             so
             deluded
             .
             'T
             is
             likely
             you
             may
             know
             some
             ;
             pray
             enquire
             of
             them
             whether
             they
             have
             more
             obtruded
             on
             them
             after
             they
             came
             to
             us
             ,
             than
             they
             were
             made
             acquainted
             with
             before
             .
             Here
             is
             that
             Authors
             affirmation
             ,
             
             and
             my
             denyal
             ;
             believe
             neither
             of
             us
             ,
             but
             satisfie
             your self
             ,
             of
             those
             who
             can
             speak
             of
             their
             own
             knowledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             N.
             
          
           
             I
             am
             glad
             to
             perceive
             the
             breach
             is
             not
             altogether
             so
             wide
             as
             some
             imagine
             ;
             but
             yet
             there
             is
             one
             reason
             which
             makes
             me
             despair
             of
             any
             good
             .
             And
             that
             is
             because
             you
             are
             ,
             and
             must
             be
             always
             Enemies
             to
             the
             State.
             Believe
             me
             our
             Church
             will
             no
             more
             harbor
             Traytors
             than
             Hippocrites
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             Enemies
             to
             the
             state
             ,
             and
             Traitors
             .
             God
             forbid
             .
          
        
         
           
             N.
             
          
           
             Be
             not
             offended
             at
             the
             harshness
             of
             my
             Language
             ,
             which
             I
             use
             not
             for
             malice
             ,
             but
             to
             speak
             properly
             ,
             and
             call
             things
             by
             their
             own
             names
             .
             'T
             is
             not
             t●at
             I
             charge
             you
             with
             actual
             Treason
             ,
             but
             with
             Doctrines
             which
             wi●l
             make
             you
             traytors
             when
             ever
             they
             be
             put
             in
             practise
             .
             And
             in
             my
             opinion
             there
             is
             not
             much
             difference
             betwixt
             an
             actual
             Traytor
             ,
             and
             one
             who
             is
             ready
             to
             be
             so
             ,
             as
             soon
             as
             there
             is
             occasion
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             Truely
             I
             think
             there
             is
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             If
             you
             think
             so
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             see
             how
             you
             can
             be
             excused
             ,
             That
             power
             which
             the
             Pope
             claims
             to
             depose
             Kings
             ,
             and
             d●●pose
             of
             Kingdoms
             is
             so
             destructive
             to
             the
             safety
             of
             Princes
             ,
             and
             q●iet
             of
             Kingdoms
             ,
             that
             you
             must
             needs
             see
             you
             cannot
             be
             good
             Subjects
             ,
             while
             you
             believe
             it
             .
             Neither
             can
             you
             be
             Papists
             if
             you
             believe
             it
             not
             .
             The
             Pope
             will
             no
             more
             endure
             you
             not
             to
             hold
             it
             ,
             than
             States
             can
             be
             safe
             where
             you
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             This
             is
             a
             Topick
             which
             never
             fails
             when
             any
             one
             has
             a
             mind
             to
             declaim
             against
             Papists
             .
             It
             has
             been
             often
             objecte●
             and
             as
             often
             answered
             .
             Since
             you
             oblige
             me
             to
             speak
             of
             it
             ,
             let
             me
             tell
             you
             ,
             you
             are
             wonderfully
             out
             in
             your
             apprehension
             of
             things
             .
             If
             the
             Pope
             should
             break
             w●th
             all
             ,
             who
             believe
             no●
             that
             Power
             in
             him
             ,
             he
             would
             quickly
             have
             but
             a
             thin
             Communion
             .
             I
             am
             yet
             to
             learn
             the
             na●e
             and
             situation
             of
             that
             Coun●ry
             which
             belie●es
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             How
             of
             that
             Country
             ?
             As
             if
             it
             were
             not
             beleev'd
             in
             all
             Countrys
             of
             your
             Communion
             .
             And
             that
             we
             may
             not
             doubt
             of
             it
             ,
             Bellarmine
             (
             against
             Barclay
             )
             produces
             writers
             of
             all
             Countrys
             who
             maintain
             it
             ,
             I
             think
             he
             musters
             them
             up
             to
             72
             ▪
             but
             sure
             they
             are
             not
             like
             the
             Disciples
             butonly
             in
             number
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             Bellarmine
             had
             undertaken
             to
             maintain
             that
             position
             ,
             and
             makes
             as
             good
             a
             shew
             as
             he
             can
             .
             From
             the
             beginning
             of
             the
             world
             ,
             or
             rather
             from
             Gregory
             7th
             .
             who
             is
             his
             first
             man
             ,
             he
             has
             found
             
             out
             the
             number
             you
             mention
             ,
             and
             others
             cite
             twice
             as
             many
             ag●●nst
             ●i●
             ,
             some
             the
             very
             same
             alledg●d
             by
             him
             .
             How
             pertin●ntly
             on
             either
             sid●
             we
             cannot
             now
             examine
             .
             But
             I
             never
             th●●●ht
             of
             denying
             ,
             those
             Doctrines
             may
             be
             found
             in
             Books
             ;
             I
             deny
             there
             is
             any
             Nation
             to
             be
             found
             which
             believe
             them
             .
             Authors
             m●y
             ●●ite
             ,
             and
             yet
             find
             few
             who
             give
             credit
             to
             what
             they
             say
             .
             If
             we
             would
             know
             what
             people
             believe
             ,
             we
             must
             consider
             what
             they
             do
             ,
             not
             what
             Scholars
             write
             .
             For
             let
             them
             write
             upon
             what
             motives
             they
             will
             ,
             people
             certainly
             act
             according
             as
             they
             are
             perswaded
             .
             Now
             to
             come
             to
             particulars
             ,
             there
             are
             few
             Nations
             ,
             where
             the
             Neighbourhood
             gave
             opportunity
             ,
             but
             have
             at
             some
             time
             or
             other
             been
             at
             open
             enmity
             with
             the
             Pope
             .
             The
             Spaniards
             ,
             who
             are
             thought
             the
             most
             devoted
             to
             him
             ,
             have
             taken
             h●m
             Prisoner
             .
             The
             D●ke
             of
             Atva
             himself
             commanded
             an
             Army
             against
             him
             ,
             and
             forc'd
             him
             to
             his
             terms
             of
             Peace
             .
             The
             Venetians
             ,
             not
             to
             mention
             other
             breaches
             ,
             were
             so
             resolute
             in
             their
             contest
             with
             Paul
             5th
             ,
             that
             it
             came
             to
             an
             Interdict
             :
             And
             they
             neither
             obeyed
             it
             ,
             nor
             would
             be
             brought
             by
             any
             sollicitation
             of
             powerful
             Mediators
             to
             accept
             of
             absolution
             .
             Other
             Princes
             of
             Italy
             have
             been
             at
             wars
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             that
             lately
             in
             the
             times
             of
             Vrban
             the
             8
             h.
             and
             Innocent
             the
             10th
             .
             Of
             the
             French
             we
             shall
             speak
             by
             and
             by
             ;
             but
             these
             have
             had
             as
             many
             and
             as
             great
             contrasts
             with
             him
             ,
             as
             any
             other
             .
             Which
             of
             all
             these
             Princes
             has
             been
             deserted
             by
             his
             Subjects
             ,
             or
             found
             them
             less
             ready
             to
             stand
             by
             them
             against
             the
             Pope
             ,
             than
             against
             anoth●r
             man
             ?
             Had
             they
             indeed
             believed
             aright
             in
             the
             Pope
             ,
             to
             dep●●e
             Princes
             ,
             and
             dispose
             of
             Kingdoms
             ,
             they
             must
             needs
             taken
             his
             part
             ;
             and
             left
             their
             own
             Princes
             defenceless
             ▪
             But
             you
             see
             no
             such
             thing
             has
             happened
             ,
             and
             may
             therefore
             certainly
             conclude
             they
             believe
             no
             such
             power
             .
             The
             pretence
             of
             it
             may
             be
             sometimes
             used
             to
             colour
             an
             unjustifiable
             action
             ,
             when
             people
             can
             get
             no
             better
             ;
             but
             I
             am
             confident
             there
             is
             no
             Prince
             or
             people
             in
             the
             world
             ,
             who
             truely
             believe
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             Truely
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             what
             to
             say
             to
             you
             ,
             what
             you
             alledge
             is
             manifest
             ,
             and
             kno●n
             to
             the
             world
             ;
             though
             I
             did
             not
             refl●ct
             on
             it
             before
             .
             But
             how
             comes
             it
             that
             Doctrines
             so
             little
             believ'd
             are
             so
             openly
             maintain'd
             ,
             and
             so
             maintain'd
             ,
             that
             they
             are
             alltogether
             in
             vogue
             ,
             and
             the
             contrary
             hardly
             find
             maintainers
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             P.
             
          
           
             The
             contrary
             Doctrine
             never
             wants
             maintainers
             ,
             when
             there
             is
             occasion
             ;
             neither
             are
             they
             the
             less
             numerous
             ,
             or
             the
             less
             considerable
             ,
             for
             making
             the
             less
             noise
             :
             whereof
             the
             reason
             is
             the
             eagerness
             with
             which
             the
             Pope
             espouses
             an
             opinion
             so
             favourable
             to
             him
             ,
             which
             hinders
             us
             from
             being
             willing
             to
             do
             any
             thing
             which
             we
             think
             he
             would
             take
             ill
             .
             And
             so
             we
             let
             people
             talk
             as
             they
             please
             ,
             till
             there
             be
             a
             necessity
             of
             declaring
             plainly
             what
             we
             think
             .
             And
             then
             it
             plainly
             appears
             that
             the
             sence
             of
             the
             world
             is
             very
             different
             from
             the
             thoughts
             of
             those
             writers
             how
             much
             soever
             they
             be
             cryed
             up
             .
             Neither
             are
             the
             maintainers
             even
             among
             writers
             so
             few
             ,
             as
             you
             imagine
             .
             I
             am
             sure
             in
             our
             Nation
             there
             have
             been
             more
             Catholick
             Writers
             against
             it
             than
             for
             it
             .
             Thirteen
             eminent
             men
             subscribed
             a
             loyal
             profession
             to
             Queen
             Elizabeth
             ,
             even
             alter
             the
             Bull
             of
             Pius
             the
             5th
             .
             came
             o●t
             :
             to
             whom
             ▪
             sayes
             Widdrington
             ,
             thrice
             thirteen
             would
             willingly
             have
             been
             added
             ,
             had
             they
             not
             been
             prevented
             by
             the
             sudden
             publication
             of
             that
             profession
             .
             And
             when
             
               Campian
               ,
               Sherwin
            
             ,
             and
             some
             others
             gave
             evasions
             instead
             of
             answers
             to
             the
             Questions
             ,
             about
             the
             Power
             of
             the
             Pope
             and
             Queen
             ,
             one
             
               Iohn
               Bishop
            
             ,
             a
             man
             devoted
             to
             the
             See
             of
             Rome
             ,
             (
             says
             Mr.
             Cambden
             )
             wrote
             against
             them
             ,
             and
             foundly
             proved
             that
             that
             constitution
             of
             the
             
               Lateran
               Council
            
             obtruded
             under
             that
             name
             ,
             upon
             which
             the
             whole
             authority
             of
             absolving
             Subjects
             from
             their
             Allegiance
             ,
             and
             deposing
             Princes
             is
             founded
             ,
             is
             no
             other
             ,
             than
             a
             Decree
             of
             Pope
             Innocent
             the
             3d.
             and
             was
             never
             admitted
             in
             England
             .
             Yea
             that
             the
             said
             Council
             was
             no
             Council
             at
             all
             ,
             nor
             was
             any
             thing
             at
             all
             there
             decreed
             by
             the
             Fathers
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             But
             why
             do
             Princes
             permit
             the
             course
             of
             such
             Doctrines
             ,
             which
             cannot
             but
             be
             dangerous
             ,
             if
             ever
             the
             people
             should
             come
             to
             be
             perswaded
             of
             them
             ,
             as
             if
             they
             go
             on
             uncheckt
             ,
             't
             is
             like
             enough
             they
             one
             day
             will.
             
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             As
             if
             I
             would
             give
             account
             of
             the
             couns●ls
             of
             Princes
             ,
             or
             should
             think
             it
             fit
             ,
             though
             I
             could
             ▪
             I
             suppose
             they
             find
             it
             for
             their
             interest
             ;
             according
             to
             which
             ,
             wise
             Princes
             take
             t●eir
             measures
             ,
             and
             having
             many
             intrigues
             with
             the
             Pope
             ,
             judge
             it
             advantagious
             to
             please
             him
             with
             words
             ,
             which
             they
             see
             have
             little
             credit
             with
             the
             wise
             .
             When
             there
             is
             any
             occasion
             of
             contest
             ,
             they
             know
             well
             enough
             that
             the
             wise
             will
             sway
             the
             rest
             .
             It
             may
             be
             
             they
             have
             at
             some
             time
             or
             other
             ,
             made
             use
             of
             that
             pretence
             themselves
             ,
             or
             foresee
             some
             occasion
             wherein
             they
             may
             .
             But
             neither
             is
             it
             true
             ,
             that
             those
             D●ctrines
             go
             curran●
             ev●ry
             where
             .
             'T
             is
             treason
             in
             France
             ,
             to
             Print
             ,
             or
             disperse
             ,
             or
             so
             m●●h
             ●s
             keep
             the
             Books
             wh●ch
             have
             been
             condemn'd
             for
             main●●●ning
             〈◊〉
             .
             ●nd
             his
             very
             Book
             of
             Bellarmins
             ,
             which
             you
             have
             〈◊〉
             j●st
             now
             ,
             is
             one
             .
             Besides
             all
             the●r
             Univ●si●ies
             have
             solemnly
             and
             particularly
             co●demned
             them
             ,
             as
             pernicious
             ,
             and
             ●ere
             ●ab●●
             co●trary
             to
             the
             word
             of
             God
             ,
             &c.
             
             The
             Decrees
             bot●
             of
             Parliament
             and
             Universities
             have
             been
             so
             often
             publisht
             that
             you
             must
             needs
             have
             seen
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             I
             must
             confess
             I
             have
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             Why
             then
             you
             see
             tho●e
             Doctr●nes
             are
             not
             maintained
             every
             where
             ,
             nor
             any
             condition
             of
             Catholick
             Communion
             any
             where
             .
             The
             Pope
             communicates
             freely
             with
             the
             French
             for
             all
             this
             ,
             and
             so
             does
             the
             rest
             of
             the
             world
             .
             Which
             perhaps
             may
             be
             one
             reason
             why
             th●y
             are
             the
             less
             forward
             to
             condemn
             them
             in
             other
             places
             .
             For
             they
             see
             ,
             ●hey
             can
             never
             pa●s
             for
             Catholick
             ,
             so
             much
             as
             in
             the
             opinion
             of
             the
             people
             ,
             while
             so
             considerable
             a
             part
             of
             the
             Church
             so
             openly
             disavows
             them
             .
             Wherefore
             ,
             reserving
             to
             themselves
             the
             liberty
             to
             do
             as
             they
             see
             fit
             upon
             occasion
             ,
             t●ey
             are
             willing
             to
             gratify
             the
             Pope
             in
             the
             mean
             time
             ,
             and
             let
             Scholars
             talk
             as
             they
             please
             ,
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             But
             pray
             what
             do
             you
             think
             of
             those
             Doctrines
             your
             s●l●
             ?
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             What
             should
             I
             think
             ,
             but
             that
             they
             are
             false
             and
             naught
             ?
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             And
             why
             do
             you
             not
             then
             disclaim
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             You
             see
             I
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             I
             mean
             publickly
             ,
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             Because
             it
             is
             to
             no
             purpose
             ,
             and
             I
             fear
             would
             look
             as
             odly
             as
             the
             request
             of
             the
             Cutpurse
             ,
             who
             went
             to
             the
             Constable
             and
             and
             would
             needs
             be
             set
             in
             the
             P●l●ory
             by
             him
             ;
             where
             when
             the
             flock●ng
             multitude
             ●o●d
             gazing
             and
             laughing
             at
             the
             mans
             folly
             ,
             his
             Companions
             pic●t
             all
             their
             pockets
             .
             Shall
             I
             deal
             plainly
             with
             you
             !
             'T
             is
             you
             your
             s●●ves
             who
             are
             the
             cause
             that
             the●e
             Doctrines
             are
             not
             renouncd
             '
             ,
             o●
             wh●ch
             you
             pretend
             such
             fear
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             We●
             who
             are
             perpetually
             pressing
             you
             to
             renounce
             them
             ,
             and
             there●o●e
             deal
             the
             more
             unkindly
             with
             you
             ,
             because
             ,
             ●i●l
             you
             do
             it
             we
             cannot
             think
             you
             honest
             men
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             P.
             
          
           
             And
             when
             we
             have
             given
             you
             satisfaction
             ,
             pray
             what
             more
             kindness
             would
             you
             ,
             or
             can
             you
             by
             Law
             shew
             us
             ?
             The
             Law
             makes
             no
             difference
             betwix●
             a
             Papist
             who
             renounces
             ,
             and
             a
             Papist
             who
             holds
             those
             Doctrines
             ;
             neither
             is
             there
             any
             Penalty
             from
             which
             that
             renunciation
             would
             exempt
             him
             .
             On
             o●r
             side
             you
             know
             as
             well
             as
             we
             ,
             there
             are
             some
             who
             have
             more
             k●ndness
             for
             them
             then
             fitting
             .
             It
             cannot
             otherwi●e
             be
             ,
             but
             these
             men
             will
             look
             very
             untowardly
             on
             any
             who
             by
             such
             a
             publick
             renunciation
             shall
             condemn
             their
             perswasions
             ,
             especially
             if
             he
             be
             neither
             obliged
             ,
             nor
             so
             much
             as
             invited
             to
             do
             it
             .
             Some
             of
             them
             have
             been
             passionate
             and
             rash
             ,
             and
             will
             be
             apt
             to
             revenge
             themselves
             ,
             by
             clamors
             and
             harsh
             censures
             ,
             and
             peradventure
             cause
             intelligence
             to
             be
             given
             even
             at
             Rome
             ,
             where
             as
             they
             are
             very
             tender
             in
             this
             point
             ,
             and
             very
             impatient
             of
             anything
             which
             they
             conceive
             shocks
             their
             authority
             ,
             you
             may
             be
             sure
             they
             will
             do
             all
             that
             comes
             in
             their
             way
             to
             discountenance
             such
             a
             man
             ,
             and
             work
             his
             discredit
             ,
             and
             it
             may
             be
             discomfort
             .
             On
             the
             other
             side
             ,
             you
             take
             no
             care
             to
             give
             him
             any
             manner
             of
             protection
             ,
             or
             so
             much
             as
             countenance
             ;
             but
             leave
             him
             to
             shift
             as
             well
             as
             he
             can
             for
             himself
             ,
             without
             any
             ease
             from
             the
             burthen
             to
             which
             he
             is
             otherwise
             subject
             .
             As
             your
             heats
             a●
             present
             ,
             and
             often
             ,
             are
             very
             great
             against
             us
             ,
             none
             knowes
             but
             he
             may
             at
             last
             be
             turn'd
             a
             begging
             ,
             and
             be
             forc'd
             to
             seek
             relief
             in
             forreign
             Countrys
             ,
             whe●e
             Charity
             is
             like
             to
             be
             very
             cold
             to
             him
             ,
             against
             whom
             the
             Pope
             is
             incenst
             .
             What
             ever
             people
             think
             in
             their
             hearts
             ,
             )
             they
             will
             shew
             but
             little
             countenance
             to
             him
             against
             whom
             the
             Pope
             declares
             himself
             .
             Who
             would
             gratify
             you
             upon
             these
             terms
             ,
             when
             a
             man
             is
             sure
             to
             live
             uncomfortably
             with
             those
             of
             his
             own
             Communion
             ,
             and
             receive
             no
             relief
             from
             you
             ,
             forwhose
             sake
             he
             runs
             into
             that
             inco●venience
             ?
             A●
             you
             carry
             matters
             ,
             't
             is
             hard
             to
             be
             imagined
             otherwise
             ,
             but
             ●hat
             whatever
             you
             say
             ,
             you
             are
             in
             truth
             unwilling
             those
             Doctrines
             should
             be
             renounc'd
             ,
             perhaps
             least
             you
             lose
             something
             to
             say
             a●ainst
             us
             .
             Do
             bu●
             provide
             that
             he
             who
             satisfies
             you
             in
             this
             particular
             ,
             and
             r●nounce●
             those
             Doctrines
             as
             fully
             as
             you
             can
             desire
             ,
             be
             cherisht
             with
             some
             moderation
             ,
             and
             taken
             into
             the
             protection
             of
             the
             Laws
             ,
             and
             then
             be
             angry
             freely
             with
             those
             that
             refuse
             to
             do
             it
             .
             M●ke
             them
             Treason
             ,
             if
             you
             will
             ,
             h●re
             ,
             as
             they
             are
             in
             France
             ,
             fo●
             any
             concern
             I
             have
             in
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             N.
             
          
           
             M●
             thinks
             you
             do
             your self
             much
             wrong
             ,
             to
             keep
             these
             things
             conceal'd
             If
             every
             body
             knew
             as
             much
             as
             you
             have
             told
             us
             ,
             perhaps
             the
             heats
             of
             which
             you
             complain
             might
             cool
             ,
             and
             people
             be
             less
             incenst
             against
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             tell
             you
             no
             secrets
             .
             These
             things
             have
             been
             publish'd
             over
             and
             over
             and
             over
             again
             ,
             but
             no
             not●ce
             is
             taken
             of
             them
             .
             This
             Author
             objects
             these
             Doctrines
             as
             freely
             ,
             as
             if
             nothing
             had
             ever
             been
             said
             to
             the●
             .
             And
             yet
             considering
             how
             well
             he
             is
             acq●ainted
             with
             all
             sorts
             of
             books
             ,
             sure
             he
             must
             needs
             know
             we
             areas
             ready
             to
             renounce
             them
             ,
             as
             he
             is●
             forward
             to
             object
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             I
             must
             confess
             you
             speak
             like
             an
             honest
             man
             ;
             but
             yet
             you
             answer
             for
             no
             more
             then
             your self
             .
             You
             may
             be
             ,
             and
             I
             believe
             are
             innocent
             ;
             but
             you
             cannot
             deny
             there
             are
             among
             you
             men
             of
             other
             principles
             .
             And
             ●t
             would
             not
             be
             safe
             ,
             for
             the
             sake
             of
             a
             few
             good
             ,
             to
             cherish
             perhaps
             a
             great
             many
             bad
          
        
         
           
             N.
             
          
           
             Nay
             Sir
             ,
             I
             cannot
             agree
             with
             you
             there
             .
             If
             you
             think
             it
             not
             safe
             ,
             to
             protect
             the
             bad
             in
             respect
             of
             the
             good
             ,
             I
             am
             sure
             it
             is
             not
             just
             to
             punish
             the
             Good
             ,
             for
             the
             faults
             of
             the
             Bad.
             We
             bl●me
             them
             for
             holding
             these
             Doctrines
             :
             What
             can
             we
             have
             more
             more
             of
             them
             ,
             than
             to
             renounce
             them
             ?
             Those
             who
             do
             this
             no●estly
             and
             fairly
             ,
             without
             tricks
             or
             starting
             holes
             ,
             what
             have
             we
             to
             say
             against
             them
             ?
             God
             forbid
             we
             should
             imitate
             the
             unreasonable
             severity
             of
             those
             Nations
             ,
             which
             when
             one
             man
             commits
             a
             fault
             ,
             punish
             ●oth
             him
             ,
             and
             all
             his
             relations
             ,
             though
             never
             so
             innocent
             .
             'T
             is
             no
             such
             hard
             mat●er
             to
             discern
             which
             are
             fit
             for
             mercy
             ,
             and
             which
             not
             ;
             and
             I
             wish
             others
             may
             think
             so
             too
             ,
             and
             hope
             they
             will.
             But
             though
             I
             am
             in
             this
             particular
             ,
             as
             I
             hope
             I
             always
             shall
             be
             ,
             a
             freind
             to
             Truth
             ,
             I
             must
             needs
             declare
             to
             you
             I
             am
             no
             freind
             to
             Popery
             .
             When
             I
             consider
             the
             many
             inconveniences
             which
             the
             Seasonable
             Discourse
             has
             well
             observed
             ,
             I
             believe
             we
             cannot
             be
             too
             follicitous
             to
             keep
             it
             out
             .
             Pray
             what
             think
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             think
             't
             is
             strange
             you
             should
             be
             so
             little
             acquainted
             with
             men
             ,
             who
             live
             amongst
             you
             ,
             and
             with
             whom
             you
             converse
             every
             day
             .
             The
             understanding
             part
             of
             those
             whom
             you
             call
             Papists
             ,
             have
             peradventure
             as
             little
             inclination
             to
             Popery
             as
             your selves
             ,
             and
             would
             joyn
             heartily
             with
             you
             ,
             if
             there
             were
             occasion
             ,
             to
             keep
             it
             out
             :
             especially
             if
             they
             were
             indulged
             such
             a
             proportion
             of
             mercy
             
             as
             might
             make
             them
             live
             with
             comfort
             .
             For
             while
             men
             live
             uneasily
             ,
             I
             cannot
             say
             but
             they
             may
             have
             some
             inclinations
             to
             be
             at
             ease
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             How
             !
             Papists
             keep
             out
             Popery
             !
             you
             may
             as
             soon
             persuade
             me
             ,
             that
             Fire
             will
             keep
             out
             Heat
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             what
             credit
             I
             have
             to
             persuade
             you
             ,
             but
             I
             tell
             you
             nothing
             but
             what
             I
             certainly
             know
             .
             Pray
             cast
             your
             eye
             a
             while
             on
             our
             Neighbors
             the
             Hollanders
             ,
             no
             Fools
             in
             matters
             of
             Government
             .
             They
             make
             a
             shift
             to
             allarm
             us
             with
             fears
             of
             Popery
             ,
             which
             being
             an
             odious
             thing
             ,
             they
             think
             proper
             to
             cause
             jealousie
             among
             us
             ,
             and
             serve
             their
             ends
             ;
             but
             their
             actions
             manifest
             that
             they
             believe
             nothing
             less
             .
             They
             have
             a
             greater
             number
             of
             Papists
             than
             we
             have
             .
             They
             are
             a
             considerable
             part
             of
             their
             Countrey
             ,
             equal
             if
             not
             superior
             to
             any
             one
             party
             .
             Whatever
             the
             Hollanders
             say
             to
             amuze
             us
             ,
             they
             are
             so
             far
             from
             being
             disquieted
             with
             fears
             of
             Popery
             themselves
             ,
             that
             they
             take
             the
             very
             Priests
             into
             the
             protection
             of
             the
             Magistrate
             ,
             and
             give
             the
             rest
             a
             comfortable
             indulgence
             :
             not
             out
             of
             carelessness
             ,
             but
             because
             they
             are
             secure
             .
             For
             while
             the
             Papists
             have
             no
             pinching
             dissatisfactions
             to
             make
             them
             wish
             to
             change
             ,
             they
             see
             well
             enough
             that
             they
             will
             not
             think
             of
             embroiling
             things
             ,
             and
             upon
             uncertain
             hopes
             of
             a
             condition
             which
             cannot
             be
             much
             happier
             than
             the
             present
             ,
             hazard
             to
             make
             themselves
             very
             unhappy
             by
             losing
             the
             present
             .
             So
             that
             till
             the
             Papists
             can
             convert
             the
             whole
             Nation
             one
             by
             one
             ,
             the
             States
             see
             their
             Religion
             will
             never
             be
             in
             other
             terms
             than
             it
             is
             ,
             and
             that
             is
             so
             unlikely
             ,
             that
             she
             never
             has
             the
             least
             suspicion
             of
             it
             .
             For
             this
             desire
             to
             make
             Proselytes
             ,
             which
             is
             common
             to
             all
             as
             well
             ●s
             Papists
             ,
             gains
             and
             loses
             particulars
             ,
             but
             advances
             little
             in
             the
             general
             .
             Experience
             shews
             the
             progres
             of
             either
             side
             is
             inconsiderable
             ,
             and
             the
             benefit
             to
             the
             State
             very
             much
             .
             The
             Papists
             upon
             many
             occasions
             having
             been
             found
             as
             faithful
             to
             the
             State
             ,
             as
             any
             of
             their
             fellow
             Subjects
             .
             Even
             at
             this
             time
             ,
             while
             they
             have
             War
             with
             a
             powerful
             Enemy
             of
             that
             Religion
             ,
             and
             who
             has
             lodg'd
             a
             powerful
             Army
             in
             the
             bowels
             of
             their
             Countrey
             ,
             they
             find
             the
             Papists
             as
             fast
             to
             the
             interest
             of
             the
             State
             ,
             as
             the
             best
             ,
             and
             as
             earnest
             opposers
             of
             a
             Forreign
             Power
             ,
             though
             likely
             to
             introduce
             their
             Religion
             ,
             if
             it
             should
             prevail
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             F.
             
          
           
             I
             am
             apt
             to
             believe
             that
             ease
             might
             hinder
             you
             from
             desiring
             change
             ;
             for
             men
             therefore
             change
             because
             they
             are
             uneasie
             .
             But
             't
             is
             still
             incredible
             to
             me
             that
             you
             should
             in
             earnest
             ever
             resist
             Popery
             .
             'T
             is
             a
             Forregn
             Enemy
             ,
             not
             Popery
             ,
             which
             the
             Holland
             Papists
             oppose
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             But
             that
             Forreign
             Enemy
             ,
             if
             he
             were
             suffered
             to
             come
             in
             ,
             wou●d
             bring
             Popery
             along
             with
             him
             .
             But
             let
             us
             unde●stand
             one
             another
             .
             I
             conceive
             you
             mean
             by
             Popery
             what
             the
             word
             sign●fi●s
             ,
             a
             blind
             addiction
             to
             the
             Pope
             ,
             and
             what
             this
             Discourser
             meant
             ,
             viz.
             something
             which
             is
             attended
             with
             those
             inconveniences
             he
             mentions
             .
             And
             I
             can
             assure
             you
             those
             among
             us
             that
             understand
             things
             ,
             and
             know
             how
             to
             distinguish
             Religion
             from
             Abuse
             (
             I
             will
             not
             undertake
             for
             every
             extravagant
             Zealot
             )
             would
             be
             as
             u●willing
             to
             admit
             them
             as
             your selves
             .
             Do
             you
             think
             us
             so
             sensele●s
             as
             to
             be
             willing
             to
             forfeit
             our
             birth
             rights
             ?
             to
             be
             deprived
             of
             the
             b●nefit
             of
             our
             Native
             Laws
             ?
             to
             submit
             to
             the
             Jurisdiction
             of
             Forreign
             Courts
             ,
             and
             at
             the
             summons
             of
             every
             crafty
             wrangler
             to
             run
             a
             thousand
             miles
             a
             pettifogging
             ?
             do
             you
             think
             those
             among
             us
             who
             are
             possest
             of
             Abby-lands
             ,
             (
             whereof
             many
             are
             still
             in
             the
             hands
             of
             P●pists
             ,
             and
             make
             if
             not
             all
             ,
             yet
             many
             times
             a
             great
             part
             of
             their
             Estate
             )
             would
             easily
             resign
             them
             ,
             and
             beggar
             themselves
             and
             Posterity
             ?
             Do
             you
             think
             us
             unconcern'd
             in
             the
             wealth
             of
             the
             Nation
             ,
             or
             forward
             with
             an
             Indian
             simplicity
             to
             barter
             gold
             for
             trifles
             ?
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             But
             how
             could
             you
             help
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             Help
             what
             ?
             we
             are
             troubled
             with
             no
             such
             grievances
             ,
             nor
             ever
             mean
             to
             be
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             God-a-mercie
             Reformation
             ,
             which
             has
             remov'd
             those
             burthens
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             The
             Statutes
             before
             mentioned
             eased
             as
             in
             part
             ;
             and
             Hen.
             the
             8.
             no
             great
             friend
             to
             the
             ●eformation
             ,
             did
             the
             rest
             ,
             and
             more
             perhaps
             ,
             than
             were
             it
             to
             do
             again
             ,
             your selves
             would
             do
             .
             But
             whatever
             was
             the
             cause
             ,
             whether
             Reformation
             ,
             or
             any
             thing
             else
             ,
             we
             are
             not
             subject
             unto
             those
             inconveniences
             now
             ,
             and
             I
             believe
             shall
             never
             subject
             our selves
             to
             them
             by
             our
             good
             wills
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             Your
             Doctrines
             would
             subject
             you
             to
             them
             in
             spite
             of
             your
             teeth
             ;
             while
             you
             believe
             of
             the
             Pope
             as
             you
             do
             ,
             there
             is
             no
             remedy
             but
             you
             must
             let
             him
             act
             as
             he
             does
             .
             While
             you
             acknowledg
             
             him
             Head
             of
             the
             Uuniversal
             Church
             ,
             you
             must
             grant
             him
             power
             to
             make
             Laws
             for
             the
             Universal
             Church
             ,
             and
             when
             he
             makes
             them
             ,
             you
             must
             obey
             them
             .
             Therefore
             he
             may
             cross
             and
             weaken
             the
             Laws
             of
             any
             particular
             Nation
             ,
             and
             remove
             proceedings
             to
             his
             own
             Court
             as
             he
             pleaseth
             .
             You
             must
             either
             absolutly
             renounce
             him
             ,
             or
             enslave
             your
             Country
             :
             for
             this
             unavoidably
             follows
             from
             what
             you
             believe
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             thought
             I
             had
             believed
             my
             share
             of
             the
             Pope
             ;
             but
             I
             am
             sure
             I
             believe
             no
             such
             matter
             ;
             and
             ●m
             sure
             my
             Catholick
             Ancestors
             believed
             as
             little
             as
             〈◊〉
             .
             No
             remedy
             say
             you
             ?
             Does
             the
             Statute
             of
             Praemunire
             be●ore
             mentioned
             ,
             si●●●fie
             nothing
             ?
             no●
             the
             severe
             penalties
             elswhere
             enacted
             against
             all
             of
             what
             condition
             soever
             which
             shall
             draw
             any
             out
             any
             out
             of
             the
             Realm
             ,
             in
             plea
             whereof
             the
             cogniz●nce
             belongeth
             to
             the
             Kings
             Court
             ,
             or
             whereof
             judgments
             be
             given
             in
             the
             Kings
             Court
             ,
             or
             which
             do
             sue
             in
             any
             other
             Court
             to
             defeat
             or
             impeach
             the
             judgment
             given
             in
             the
             Kings
             Court
             ?
             Behold
             how
             much
             we
             think
             our selves
             obliged
             to
             forreign
             jurisdiction
             ,
             and
             how
             forward
             we
             are
             to
             enslave
             our
             Country
             .
             This
             is
             no
             place
             to
             dispute
             the
             Popes
             Authority
             .
             Controversie
             does
             as
             ill
             in
             a
             Coffe
             h●use
             as
             Pollicy
             .
             But
             it
             seems
             n●
             hard
             matter
             to
             distinguish
             Primacy
             from
             Omnipotency
             ,
             and
             t
             is
             easie
             to
             see
             he
             may
             be
             Head
             ,
             and
             yet
             cannot
             force
             Laws
             on
             particular
             places
             without
             their
             consent
             .
             Hen.
             8th
             was
             by
             Statute
             declared
             Head
             of
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             .
             That
             Ti●le
             hath
             been
             since
             ch●nged
             into
             Supream
             Governour
             ,
             which
             in
             my
             opinion
             ,
             amounts
             to
             the
             same
             .
             However
             ,
             neither
             the
             one
             nor
             the
             other
             enables
             our
             ●●●ngs
             to
             make
             Laws
             without
             the
             consent
             of
             their
             Subjects
             If
             you
             look
             into
             Countrys
             of
             the
             Popes
             Communion
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             believe
             that
             you
             will
             find
             any
             one
             ,
             where
             they
             think
             themselves
             obliged
             by
             any
             Law
             made
             at
             Rome
             ,
             purely
             by
             virtue
             of
             that
             Authority
             .
             They
             allways
             examine
             it
             themselves
             ,
             and
             if
             they
             think
             it
             convenient
             ,
             they
             receive
             it
             ,
             and
             that
             reception
             makes
             it
             binding
             ;
             otherwise
             ,
             no
             man
             regards
             it
             ,
             or
             thinks
             himself
             obliged
             by
             it
             ,
             and
             perhaps
             would
             be
             punished
             if
             he
             should
             .
             The
             Discourser
             mentions
             the
             Canon
             Law
             ,
             which
             here
             we
             our selves
             do
             not
             wholly
             reject
             ;
             and
             when
             we
             do
             ,
             must
             undo
             Doctors-Commons
             .
             Now
             I
             understand
             not
             that
             the
             Cannon
             Law
             is
             obliging
             farther
             than
             it
             is
             received
             ,
             or
             that
             any
             Country
             is
             obliged
             to
             receive
             it
             ,
             farther
             
             then
             as
             they
             find
             it
             for
             their
             convenience
             .
             Every
             Nation
             is
             at
             liberty
             to
             do
             what
             appears
             best
             for
             themselves
             And
             therefore
             we
             see
             what
             is
             binding
             in
             one
             place
             ,
             signifies
             nothing
             in
             another
             .
             And
             since
             England
             is
             now
             free
             from
             the
             Cannon
             Law
             ,
             more
             than
             she
             finds
             for
             her
             benefit
             ,
             assure
             your selves
             Papists
             would
             be
             as
             unwilling
             to
             part
             with
             that
             freedom
             as
             Protestants
             .
             We
             love
             not
             to
             thrust
             our
             necks
             into
             Yokes
             more
             than
             other
             people
             .
             I
             think
             indeed
             ,
             if
             any
             decrees
             for
             the
             advantage
             of
             our
             Country
             were
             sent
             from
             Rome
             ,
             we
             should
             not
             refuse
             a
             benefit
             ,
             meerly
             because
             it
             came
             from
             thence
             .
             But
             we
             do
             not
             believe
             that
             what
             comes
             from
             thence
             ,
             is
             obliging
             purely
             because
             it
             comes
             from
             thence
             ;
             but
             only
             ,
             when
             after
             due
             examination
             ,
             by
             due
             authority
             at
             home
             ,
             it
             is
             by
             that
             authority
             made
             obliging
             .
             And
             this
             holds
             ,
             not
             only
             in
             decrees
             of
             Popes
             ,
             but
             of
             Councels
             too
             ,
             though
             never
             so
             general
             .
             Nations
             admit
             them
             as
             they
             like
             them
             ,
             and
             so
             either
             receive
             all
             ,
             or
             part
             ,
             or
             none
             .
             Every
             body
             knows
             that
             no
             inducements
             have
             yet
             been
             able
             to
             prevail
             with
             the
             French
             to
             receive
             such
             Canons
             of
             the
             Council
             of
             Trent
             as
             concern
             manners
             .
             For
             which
             reason
             no
             man
             there
             is
             obliged
             to
             these
             decrees
             or
             any
             such
             ,
             but
             where
             they
             will
             oblige
             themselves
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             What
             you
             say
             is
             really
             considerable
             .
             But
             I
             fear
             it
             does
             not
             quite
             do
             the
             Business
             .
             There
             is
             a
             great
             difference
             betwixt
             Laymen
             ,
             and
             Clergimen
             .
             The
             Layety
             may
             be
             well
             enough
             affected
             to
             the
             peace
             of
             their
             Country
             ,
             to
             which
             they
             give
             their
             Wifes
             and
             Children
             for
             Pledges
             ;
             but
             the
             Clergy
             have
             no
             such
             hostages
             to
             give
             ,
             and
             besides
             are
             so
             tyed
             by
             Education
             ,
             and
             ,
             if
             they
             aim
             at
             any
             preferment
             that
             is
             considerable
             ,
             by
             Oath
             to
             the
             Bishop
             of
             Rome
             that
             we
             cannever
             be
             secure
             of
             them
             .
             Shall
             I
             deal
             freely
             with
             you
             ,
             and
             tell
             you
             an
             unwelcome
             truth
             ?
             'T
             is
             for
             the
             Clergies
             sake
             ,
             that
             we
             are
             the
             more
             jealous
             of
             you
             all
             .
             We
             could
             believe
             the
             Laiety
             honest
             enough
             .
             But
             considering
             the
             influence
             the
             Clergy
             has
             over
             them
             both
             by
             the
             respect
             which
             you
             bear
             them
             ,
             and
             by
             the
             ty
             of
             Confession
             ,
             by
             which
             they
             are
             enabled
             to
             do
             even
             what
             they
             please
             ,
             we
             can
             never
             be
             secure
             of
             one
             ,
             unless
             we
             were
             secure
             of
             both
             .
             Now
             for
             your
             Regular
             Clergy
             ,
             your self
             acknowledges
             the
             immediate
             dependance
             they
             have
             on
             the
             Pope
             by
             means
             of
             their
             exemptions
             .
             But
             we
             know
             besides
             ,
             that
             all
             particulars
             vow
             obedience
             to
             their
             Superiors
             ;
             which
             obedience
             passes
             for
             the
             greater
             
             vertue
             and
             more
             sublime
             perfection
             by
             how
             much
             the
             more
             blind
             it
             is
             .
             These
             Superiors
             are
             subject
             to
             one
             another
             ,
             till
             all
             comes
             at
             last
             to
             the
             General
             ,
             to
             whom
             the
             whole
             Order
             is
             absolutely
             subject
             .
             This
             General
             both
             lives
             at
             Rome
             ,
             and
             is
             many
             ways
             sure
             enough
             to
             the
             Pope
             .
             So
             that
             if
             any
             one
             of
             the
             whole
             Order
             displease
             him
             ,
             the
             General
             presently
             takes
             his
             part
             ,
             and
             enforces
             the
             obedience
             vow'd
             to
             himself
             ,
             to
             whatever
             the
             Pope
             desires
             .
             And
             as
             we
             see
             in
             reason
             this
             must
             needs
             happen
             ,
             so
             we
             find
             by
             experience
             that
             it
             does
             ;
             as
             in
             the
             case
             of
             
               Walsh
               ,
               Withrington
            
             ,
             and
             others
             .
             Your
             secular
             Clergy
             ,
             as
             you
             call
             them
             ,
             indeed
             have
             not
             the
             same
             dependance
             ,
             and
             were
             they
             left
             to
             their
             native
             liberty
             might
             do
             well
             enough
             .
             But
             the
             Pope
             has
             found
             out
             an
             expedient
             to
             bring
             them
             to
             his
             bow
             ,
             and
             requires
             such
             an
             Oath
             both
             from
             Bishops
             and
             other
             Dignitaries
             ,
             that
             those
             who
             take
             it
             must
             needs
             be
             more
             his
             Subjects
             than
             their
             own
             Princes
             .
             Wherefore
             pray
             consider
             whether
             we
             can
             in
             any
             reason
             have
             a
             confidence
             in
             men
             who
             ,
             though
             they
             be
             well
             disposed
             themselves
             ,
             are
             governed
             by
             such
             as
             we
             know
             are
             tyed
             to
             the
             Popes
             interest
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             The
             more
             I
             should
             think
             it
             is
             for
             your
             interest
             to
             allow
             us
             such
             as
             are
             of
             good
             Principles
             ,
             and
             of
             whose
             fidelity
             and
             affection
             to
             the
             interest
             of
             their
             Country
             you
             might
             be
             assured
             .
             You
             know
             as
             well
             as
             we
             that
             ,
             we
             cannot
             be
             without
             Priests
             ,
             and
             that
             whatever
             hazard
             we
             undergo
             ,
             whether
             of
             estate
             or
             life
             ,
             we
             must
             have
             some
             .
             So
             that
             unless
             you
             banish
             or
             hang
             us
             all
             up
             without
             more
             ado
             ,
             while
             there
             is
             a
             Papist
             in
             England
             ,
             there
             will
             be
             a
             Priest.
             Now
             while
             you
             hinder
             us
             from
             having
             men
             brought
             up
             in
             such
             principles
             as
             might
             be
             free
             from
             jealousie
             ,
             't
             is
             not
             possible
             for
             us
             to
             do
             otherwise
             than
             we
             do
             :
             for
             we
             are
             forc'd
             to
             take
             such
             as
             we
             can
             get
             ;
             and
             if
             they
             prove
             otherwise
             principl'd
             than
             you
             would
             have
             them
             ,
             the
             fault
             is
             none
             of
             ours
             .
             As
             for
             the
             objections
             ,
             that
             vow
             of
             obedience
             which
             Religious
             take
             ,
             reaches
             no
             farther
             then
             to
             the
             better
             performance
             of
             the
             duties
             of
             that
             kind
             of
             life
             which
             they
             have
             chosen
             ,
             and
             is
             so
             understood
             ,
             and
             not
             otherwise
             ,
             by
             those
             among
             them
             who
             are
             understanding
             .
             And
             if
             you
             apprehend
             any
             danger
             in
             it
             't
             is
             very
             easie
             to
             make
             provision
             against
             it
             .
             But
             for
             the
             Oath
             ,
             which
             you
             mention
             ,
             I
             must
             needs
             profess
             my
             ignorance
             ▪
             I
             have
             never
             so●n
             ●
             nor
             heard
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             therefore
             know
             not
             what
             to
             say
             to
             it
             .
             But
             I
             know
             in
             general
             
             that
             no
             Subject
             can
             take
             any
             Oath
             prejudicial
             to
             the
             safety
             or
             service
             of
             his
             Native
             Prince
             ,
             and
             if
             he
             do
             is
             obliged
             not
             to
             keep
             it
             .
             Neither
             do
             I
             think
             an
             Oath
             can
             be
             imposed
             upon
             the
             Subjects
             of
             any
             Prince
             without
             his
             consent
             ,
             or
             at
             least
             against
             his
             con●●●●
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             I
             easily
             believe
             you
             have
             not
             seen
             it
             ,
             and
             that
             few
             of
             your
             Layty
             are
             acquainted
             with
             such
             things
             .
             But
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             we
             are
             better
             verst
             in
             your
             matters
             than
             you
             imagin
             .
             I
             think
             I
             have
             a
             copy
             of
             i●
             rendered
             into
             English
             at
             this
             time
             about
             me
             .
             Yes
             ,
             here
             it
             is
             .
             Pray
             read
             it
             ,
             and
             see
             if
             we
             have
             not
             reason
             to
             be
             jealous
             .
             And
             if
             you
             doubt
             of
             the
             Translation
             ,
             do
             you
             compare
             it
             with
             Original
             Latine
             ,
             as
             〈◊〉
             is
             in
             the
             
               Pontificale
               Romanum
            
             (
             of
             Clement
             the
             8
             )
             
               pro
               universo
               orbe
               Christiano
            
             ,
             Printed
             at
             Antwerp
             1617.
             
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             
               IN.
               
                 Elect
                 to
                 the
                 Church
                 of
              
               N
               
                 from
                 this
                 day
                 forward
                 will
                 be
                 faithful
                 to
              
               B.
               
                 Peter
                 the
                 Apostle
                 and
                 the
              
               H.
               
                 Rom.
                 Church
                 ,
                 and
                 our
                 Lord
              
               N.
               Pope
               N.
               
                 and
                 his
                 Successors
                 canonically
                 entring
                 .
                 I
                 will
                 not
                 concur
                 by
                 counsel
                 ,
                 consent
                 or
                 deed
                 that
                 they
                 lose
                 life
                 or
                 member
                 or
                 be
                 unjustly
                 taken
                 ,
              
               [
               mala
               captione
               ]
               
                 or
                 violent
                 hands
                 in
                 any
                 manner
                 laid
                 upon
                 them
                 ,
                 or
                 any
                 injury
                 done
                 them
                 under
                 whatsoever
                 pretext
                 .
                 I
                 will
                 not
                 knowingly
                 discover
                 to
                 any
                 one
                 to
                 their
                 prejudice
                 any
                 counsel
                 with
                 which
                 they
                 shall
                 intrust
                 me
                 ,
                 either
                 by
                 themselves
                 ,
                 by
                 their
                 Messengers
                 or
                 Letters
                 .
                 I
                 will
                 help
                 them
                 saving
                 my
                 Order
                 ,
                 against
                 all
                 men
                 ,
                 to
                 keep
                 and
                 defend
                 the
                 Rom.
                 Papacy
                 and
                 Regalities
                 of
                 S.
                 Peter
                 .
                 I
                 will
                 treat
                 with
                 honour
                 ,
                 and
                 in
                 his
                 necessities
                 help
                 a
                 Legat
                 of
                 the
                 Apostolic
                 See
                 both
                 going
                 and
                 coming
                 .
                 I
                 will
                 endeavour
                 to
                 preserve
                 ,
                 defend
                 ,
                 increase
                 and
                 promote
                 the
                 Rights
                 ,
                 Honours
                 ,
                 Privileges
                 ,
                 and
                 Authority
                 of
                 the
                 H.
                 Rom.
                 Church
                 ,
                 our
                 Lord
                 the
                 Pope
                 ,
                 and
                 his
                 aforesaid
                 Successors
                 .
                 I
                 will
                 not
                 communicate
                 in
                 counsel
                 ,
                 deed
                 ,
                 or
                 treaty
                 in
                 which
                 any
                 thing
                 sinister
                 and
                 prejudicial
                 to
                 their
                 Person
                 ,
                 Right
                 ,
                 Honour
                 ,
                 State
                 and
                 Power
                 shall
                 be
                 design'd
                 against
                 our
                 said
                 Lord
                 ,
                 by
                 the
                 Rom.
                 Church
                 .
                 And
                 if
                 I
                 shall
                 know
                 any
                 such
                 thing
                 to
                 be
                 treated
                 ,
                 or
                 endeavoured
                 ,
                 I
                 will
                 hinder
                 it
                 to
                 my
                 power
                 ,
                 and
                 ,
                 as
                 soon
                 as
                 ever
                 I
                 can
                 ,
                 will
                 acquaint
                 our
                 said
                 〈◊〉
                 therewith
                 ,
                 or
                 some
                 body
                 else
                 by
                 whom
                 it
                 may
                 come
                 to
                 his
                 knowledge
                 .
                 I
                 will
                 〈◊〉
                 self
                 observe
                 ,
                 and
                 cause
                 to
                 be
                 observ'd
                 by
                 others
                 ,
                 the
                 Rules
                 of
                 the
                 H.
                 Fathers
                 ,
                 the
                 Decrees
                 ,
                 Ordinances
                 or
                 Dispositions
                 ,
                 Reservations
                 ,
                 Provisions
                 ,
                 and
                 Apostolical
                 commands
                 .
                 I
                 will
                 to
                 my
                 power
                 prosecute
                 and
                 impugn
                 Hereticks
                 ,
                 Schismaticks
                 ,
                 and
                 Rebels
                 to
                 our
                 said
                 Lord
                 and
                 his
                 said
                 Successors
                 .
                 
                 If
                 I
                 be
                 call'd
                 to
                 a
                 Synod
                 ,
                 I
                 will
                 come
                 ,
                 unless
                 I
                 be
                 hindred
                 by
                 a
                 canonical
                 impediment
                 .
                 Every
                 three
                 years
                 I
                 will
                 personally
                 visit
                 the
                 shrines
                 of
                 the
                 Apostles
                 ,
                 and
                 render
                 account
                 to
                 our
                 Lord
                 and
                 his
                 Successors
                 aforesaid
                 of
                 my
                 whole
                 pastoral
                 Office
                 ,
                 and
                 of
                 all
                 things
                 any
                 way
                 belonging
                 to
                 the
                 state
                 of
                 my
                 Church
                 ,
                 the
                 discipline
                 of
                 the
                 Clergy
                 and
                 People
                 ,
                 and
                 the
                 health
                 of
                 Souls
                 entrusted
                 to
                 my
                 charge
                 ,
                 and
                 on
                 the
                 other
                 side
                 will
                 humbly
                 receive
                 and
                 most
                 diligently
                 perform
                 the
                 Apostolical
                 commands
                 .
                 If
                 I
                 be
                 detained
                 by
                 a
                 lawful
                 impediment
                 ,
                 I
                 will
                 fulfill
                 all
                 aforesaid
                 by
                 a
                 special
                 Messenger
                 having
                 a
                 special
                 Mandate
                 to
                 that
                 purpose
                 ,
                 chosen
                 from
                 the
                 bosom
                 of
                 my
                 Chapter
                 ,
                 or
                 some
                 other
                 Ecclesiastical
                 Dignitary
                 ,
                 or
                 otherwise
                 having
                 some
                 Ecclesiastical
                 Personage
                 ;
                 or
                 in
                 default
                 of
                 such
                 ,
                 by
                 some
                 Priest
                 of
                 my
                 Diocess
                 ;
                 and
                 if
                 there
                 be
                 none
                 of
                 my
                 Clergy
                 ,
                 by
                 some
                 other
                 Priest
                 Secular
                 or
                 Regular
                 ,
                 of
                 approved
                 virtue
                 &
                 Religion
                 fully
                 instructed
                 in
                 all
                 matters
                 aforesaid
                 .
                 And
                 of
                 such
                 impediment
                 I
                 will
                 make
                 lawfull
                 proof
                 to
                 be
                 sent
                 by
                 my
                 said
                 Messenger
                 to
                 the
                 Cardinal
                 presiding
              
               [
               proponert●m
               ]
               
                 in
                 the
                 Congregation
                 of
                 the
                 Sacred
                 Council
                 .
                 I
                 will
                 not
                 sell
                 ,
                 nor
                 give
                 nor
                 pawn
                 ,
                 nor
                 mortgage
                 anew
                 ,
              
               [
               infeudabo
               ]
               
                 nor
                 alienate
                 in
                 any
                 manner
                 the
                 Possessions
                 belonging
                 to
                 my
                 Table
                 even
                 with
                 the
                 consent
                 of
                 the
                 Chapter
                 of
                 my
                 Church
                 ,
                 without
                 consulting
                 the
                 Bishop
                 of
                 Rome
                 .
                 And
                 if
                 I
                 do
                 proceed
                 to
                 any
                 alienation
                 ,
                 I
              
               consent
               ●o
               ipso
               
                 to
                 incur
                 the
                 penalties
                 contain'd
                 in
                 a
                 certain
                 Constitution
                 set
                 forth
                 of
                 this
                 matter
              
               :
            
             
               
                 So
                 help
                 me
                 God
                 and
                 these
                 H.
                 Ghospels
                 of
                 God.
                 
              
            
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             what
             say
             you
             to
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             say
             I
             would
             not
             take
             it
             for
             the
             best
             Bishoprick
             in
             Christendom
             .
             As
             far
             as
             I
             can
             judg
             it
             is
             direct
             Prae●●nire
             ,
             and
             perhaps
             worse
             .
             But
             pray
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             where
             did
             you
             find
             it
             ?
             Those
             Princes
             who
             are
             of
             the
             Popes
             communion
             are
             careful
             enough
             of
             their
             Authority
             .
             It
             seems
             impossible
             they
             should
             be
             ignorant
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             incredible
             they
             shou'd
             permit
             their
             Subjects
             to
             take
             it
             .
             I
             cannot
             believe
             it
             is
             in
             use
             ,
             wherever
             you
             found
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             I
             have
             never
             been
             present
             at
             the
             consecration
             of
             any
             of
             your
             Bishops
             ,
             to
             say
             of
             my
             own
             knowledg
             that
             it
             is
             taken
             :
             But
             I
             know
             it
             is
             prescribed
             in
             your
             Pontifical
             to
             be
             taken
             ;
             And
             I
             suppose
             your
             Bishops
             are
             consecrated
             according
             to
             the
             prescriptions
             of
             your
             Pontifical
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             Really
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             you
             tell
             me
             news
             ,
             and
             such
             as
             I
             dare
             answer
             
             there
             is
             not
             on
             one
             (
             at
             least
             Lay
             ▪
             )
             Catholick
             in
             ten
             thousand
             that
             ever
             heard
             of
             it
             .
             I
             will
             not
             question
             the
             truth
             of
             what
             you
             ●ay
             ,
             because
             I
             do
             not
             mistrust
             you
             ;
             and
             besides
             't
             is
             an
             easie
             matter
             when
             I
             can
             meet
             with
             a
             Pontifical
             to
             see
             what
             is
             there
             .
             But
             I
             must
             still
             remain
             of
             my
             former
             opinion
             ,
             that
             't
             is
             not
             generally
             in
             use
             ,
             though
             perhaps
             it
             may
             be
             in
             the
             Popes
             own
             territories
             .
             The
             Authority
             of
             the
             Pontifical
             is
             no
             proof
             as
             to
             that
             point
             .
             For
             other
             countreys
             have
             their
             Pontificals
             and
             Liturgies
             of
             their
             own
             framing
             ,
             and
             that
             may
             be
             in
             the
             Roman
             Pontifical
             which
             perhaps
             is
             no
             where
             else
             .
             That
             't
             is
             of
             no
             ancient
             standing
             ,
             is
             clear
             by
             the
             Oath
             it self
             ,
             which
             mentions
             the
             Congregation
             of
             the
             Sacred
             Council
             ,
             and
             every
             body
             knows
             that
             that
             Congregation
             was
             erected
             since
             the
             Council
             of
             Trent
             ;
             and
             every
             body
             knows
             too
             tha●
             since
             that
             time
             Popes
             have
             not
             had
             that
             credit
             in
             the
             world
             that
             they
             could
             impose
             Oaths
             upon
             the
             Subjects
             of
             other
             Princes
             without
             the
             consent
             of
             those
             Princes
             .
             For
             England
             in
             particular
             ,
             besides
             the
             Statutes
             beforementioned
             ,
             which
             in
             my
             opinion
             quash
             it
             sufficiently
             ,
             there
             is
             mention
             in
             Sir
             
               Ed
               Cook
            
             in
             his
             3
             book
             of
             Institutes
             
               tit
               .
               Praemuni●e
            
             ,
             of
             a
             renunciation
             used
             even
             from
             the
             times
             of
             Ed.
             1.
             and
             Ed.
             2
             in
             these
             words
             :
             
               I
               renounce
               all
               the
               words
               comprised
               in
               the
               Popes
               Bull
               to
               me
               made
               of
               the
               Bishoprick
               of
            
             A
             
               which
               ●e
               contrary
               or
               prejudicial
               to
               the
               King
               our
               Soveraign
               Lord
               and
               to
               his
               crown
               ,
               And
               of
               that
               I
               put
               my self
               humbly
               in
               his
               Grace
               ,
               praying
               to
               have
               restitution
               of
               the
               temporalities
               of
               my
               Church
               .
            
             This
             renunciation
             must
             needs
             be
             a
             great
             deal
             more
             ancient
             than
             this
             Oath
             ;
             and
             since
             our
             Catholick
             Ancestors
             thought
             fit
             to
             renounce
             all
             words
             inserted
             in
             Bulls
             prejudicial
             ,
             though
             to
             a
             less
             degree
             ,
             than
             this
             Oath
             .
             However
             it
             be
             't
             is
             a
             clear
             case
             that
             being
             made
             by
             the
             Pope
             none
             can
             be
             more
             obliged
             to
             take
             it
             ,
             than
             to
             receive
             his
             other
             Decrees
             ,
             which
             as
             we
             have
             discourst
             already
             ,
             no
             Nation
             is
             oblig'd
             to
             do
             ,
             but
             by
             free
             consent
             ,
             as
             far
             as
             they
             find
             them
             beneficial
             to
             themselves
             .
             Wherefore
             as
             I
             said
             before
             ,
             allow
             us
             Ecclesiastical
             Ministers
             ,
             of
             whose
             fidelity
             you
             may
             be
             assured
             ,
             and
             we
             will
             be
             careful
             enough
             ,
             you
             may
             be
             sure
             not
             to
             run
             rashly
             and
             ca●slesly
             into
             Praemunires
             ;
             or
             if
             we
             do
             ,
             the
             Pope
             himself
             cannot
             blame
             you
             if
             you
             severely
             execute
             those
             Laws
             which
             have
             been
             made
             even
             by
             Catholicks
             .
             But
             if
             you
             force
             us
             to
             take
             them
             upon
             such
             terms
             as
             we
             can
             get
             them
             ,
             we
             are
             blameless
             if
             things
             happen
             which
             we
             cannot
             avoid
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             F.
             
          
           
             Why
             but
             you
             cannot
             avoid
             this
             .
             For
             let
             us
             allow
             you
             what
             liberty
             we
             will
             ,
             the
             Pope
             never
             make
             you
             Bishops
             on
             other
             terms
             ;
             and
             you
             believe
             Bishops
             cannot
             be
             made
             but
             by
             him
             ,
             or
             authority
             derived
             from
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             have
             already
             told
             you
             I
             do
             not
             believe
             Bishops
             are
             made
             any
             where
             upon
             those
             terms
             ,
             except
             perhaps
             in
             his
             own
             territories
             ;
             but
             I
             am
             very
             certain
             ,
             they
             need
             not
             be
             any
             where
             ;
             and
             am
             farther
             very
             certain
             that
             in
             England
             they
             should
             not
             be
             ,
             if
             you
             would
             allow
             us
             the
             liberty
             of
             acting
             in
             the
             concerns
             of
             Religion
             openly
             ,
             and
             without
             such
             fear
             of
             the
             Laws
             that
             many
             times
             we
             do
             we
             know
             not
             what
             our selves
             .
             Believe
             me
             the
             Pope
             is
             too
             wise
             to
             give
             occasion
             to
             examin
             whether
             B●shops
             may
             not
             be
             made
             without
             his
             intervening
             .
             For
             't
             is
             well
             known
             that
             Bishops
             were
             made
             ,
             and
             governed
             the
             Church
             a
             long
             time
             ,
             and
             he
             never
             medled
             in
             the
             business
             .
             And
             at
             this
             day
             there
             are
             who
             will
             by
             no
             means
             use
             the
             ordinary
             stile
             ,
             
               Dei
               &
               Aposholica
               sedis
               gratia
            
             ,
             but
             leave
             
               Apostolica
               sedis
            
             quite
             out
             .
             The
             Recourse
             ,
             which
             is
             now
             had
             to
             him
             ,
             I
             believe
             was
             occasioned
             by
             the
             frequent
             abuses
             which
             happened
             in
             promotions
             ,
             and
             which
             is
             thought
             so
             far
             from
             necessary
             even
             now
             ,
             that
             ,
             if
             I
             mistake
             not
             ,
             the
             Canons
             are
             still
             in
             force
             ,
             which
             order
             that
             unless
             he
             provide
             for
             a
             vacant
             Sea
             ,
             within
             a
             time
             limited
             ,
             and
             that
             no
             long
             one
             ,
             the
             three
             next
             Bishops
             shall
             make
             one
             without
             more
             ado
             .
             However
             this
             collation
             of
             Bishopricks
             by
             the
             Pope
             ,
             is
             plainly
             by
             Canon
             Law
             ,
             and
             subject
             to
             the
             contingencies
             and
             nature
             of
             other
             Canons
             .
          
        
         
           
             ●
             .
          
           
             To
             let
             pass
             at
             present
             ,
             what
             you
             answer
             only
             ,
             and
             me●
             thinks
             unsatisfactorily
             as
             before
             ,
             of
             
               your
               remaining
               ●il●
               of
               your
               former
               opinion
               ,
            
             so
             here
             again
             of
             
               your
               not
               believing
               that
               Bishops
               are
               made
               any
               where
               upon
               those
               terms
               ,
               except
               perhaps
               in
               the
               Popes
               own
               Territories
            
             :
             and
             not
             to
             press
             you
             further
             home
             on
             this
             po●nt
             .
          
           
             First
             ,
             by
             telling
             you
             ,
             not
             with
             any
             perhaps
             ,
             or
             peradventure
             ,
             but
             most
             certainly
             ,
             that
             all
             Bishops
             either
             named
             ,
             created
             ,
             confirmed
             ,
             or
             consecrated
             by
             virtue
             of
             the
             Popes
             Bulls
             ,
             not
             only
             for
             his
             own
             temporal
             Territories
             ,
             but
             for
             any
             where
             else
             throughout
             the
             world
             ,
             are
             made
             upon
             
               those
               termes
            
             ;
             and
             that
             no
             less
             certainly
             ,
             that
             very
             
               Pontificale
               Romanam
            
             which
             prescribes
             the
             aforesaid
             Oath
             to
             be
             taken
             by
             all
             Arch
             Bishops
             ,
             and
             all
             Bishops
             ,
             and
             all
             Abbots
             too
             ,
             at
             their
             consecration
             ,
             nay
             and
             to
             be
             taken
             twice
             by
             every
             
             Arch
             Bishop
             ,
             videlicet
             .
             first
             ,
             at
             his
             Consecration
             ,
             and
             the
             second
             time
             at
             his
             receiving
             the
             Pallium
             )
             is
             no
             less
             the
             Pontifical
             now
             in
             use
             throughout
             all
             Churches
             acknowledging
             the
             Popes
             Supremacy
             ,
             than
             the
             Roman
             Breviary
             ,
             and
             the
             Roman
             Missal
             are
             are
             the
             only
             Breviary
             and
             Missal
             now
             in
             publick
             use
             in
             the
             same
             Churches
             as
             it
             is
             known
             they
             are
             .
          
           
             Secondly
             ,
             by
             assuring
             you
             also
             ,
             there
             are
             even
             at
             this
             present
             ,
             within
             his
             Majesties
             Dominions
             ,
             nay
             in
             one
             of
             them
             ,
             
               i.
               e.
               Ireland
            
             ,
             residing
             now
             publickly
             enough
             ,
             at
             home
             in
             their
             Diocesses
             ,
             at
             least
             nine
             Ticular
             new
             Bishops
             ,
             and
             ●ower
             also
             new
             Arch-Bishops
             ,
             in
             all
             thirteen
             (
             besides
             two
             more
             alive
             still
             of
             the
             old
             Nuncio
             Bishops
             )
             and
             every
             one
             of
             them
             created
             by
             the
             Pope
             ,
             within
             these
             four
             la●st
             years
             since
             1669
             ,
             consecrated
             according
             to
             the
             prescription
             of
             that
             Roman
             Pontifical
             only
             ,
             and
             swor●
             the
             Popes
             devoted
             Bondslaves
             for
             ever
             ,
             by
             that
             very
             Oath
             ;
             that
             Oath
             ,
             which
             you
             please
             to
             call
             it
             ,
             either
             of
             strictest
             (
             however
             sacrilegious
             )
             fidelity
             to
             the
             Pope
             ,
             or
             of
             most
             per●idious
             Treachery
             against
             the
             King
             and
             Kingdom
             ;
             for
             it
             is
             both
             ;
             and
             you
             your self
             will
             easily
             believe
             they
             do
             &
             will
             hold
             to
             it
             ,
             being
             they
             are
             so
             far
             from
             thinking
             not
             only
             not
             to
             renounce
             all
             (
             nay
             nor
             any
             of
             )
             
               the
               words
               comprised
               in
               the
               Popes
               respective
               Bulls
               ,
               to
               them
               made
               of
               their
               several
               Bishopricks
               ,
               which
               be
               contrary
               or
               prejudicial
               to
               the
               King
               our
               sovereign
               Lord
               and
               to
               his
               Crown
               ,
            
             nor
             only
             not
             so
             much
             as
             to
             renounce
             any
             part
             of
             those
             even
             most
             notoriously
             Traiterous
             promises
             of
             the
             aforesaid
             Oath
             ,
             not
             even
             so
             much
             as
             virtually
             ,
             or
             indirectly
             ,
             or
             even
             implicitely
             to
             renounce
             any
             part
             of
             them
             by
             taking
             either
             the
             usual
             Oaths
             of
             Supremacy
             or
             Allegiance
             ,
             or
             even
             any
             other
             kind
             of
             Oath
             of
             fidelity
             to
             the
             King
             ,
             that
             on
             the
             contrary
             it
             is
             manifestly
             known
             they
             have
             all
             of
             them
             ever
             since
             their
             Consecration
             ,
             made
             it
             their
             work
             ,
             not
             only
             to
             suppres●
             utterly
             that
             now
             so
             lamed
             
               Irish
               Remonstrance
            
             (
             or
             profession
             of
             fidelity
             to
             the
             King
             in
             all
             temporal
             affairs
             according
             to
             the
             Laws
             of
             the
             Land
             )
             presented
             to
             ,
             and
             accepted
             by
             his
             Majesty
             in
             the
             year
             1661
             ,
             but
             also
             to
             prosecute
             with
             incredible
             malice
             for
             so
             many
             years
             all
             those
             other
             Irish
             Ecclesiasticks
             of
             their
             Church
             ,
             who
             in
             the
             said
             year
             or
             any
             time
             since
             had
             signed
             (
             as
             only
             for
             having
             signed
             )
             that
             Formulory
             ,
             until
             at
             last
             by
             such
             wicked
             ways
             they
             have
             forced
             most
             ,
             of
             these
             forlorn
             subjects
             (
             forlorn
             I
             call
             them
             ,
             because
             of
             one
             
             side
             persecuted
             by
             the
             Pope
             ,
             and
             of
             the
             other
             not
             protected
             by
             our
             Laws
             )
             to
             retract
             their
             subscription
             ,
             and
             consequently
             and
             even
             under
             their
             own
             hands
             to
             renounce
             utterly
             their
             allegiance
             to
             the
             King
             ;
             nay
             even
             also
             (
             and
             which
             must
             be
             consequential
             to
             disclaim
             their
             acknowledgment
             of
             his
             being
             their
             King
             at
             all
             in
             any
             matter
             or
             cause
             whatsoever
             ,
             being
             he
             cannot
             be
             acknowledged
             King
             at
             all
             ,
             if
             he
             be
             not
             acknowledged
             King
             at
             least
             in
             all
             civil
             and
             temporal
             affairs
             according
             to
             the
             Laws
             of
             the
             Land
             ,
             or
             in
             indispensable
             Obedience
             and
             Faith
             be
             not
             acknowledged
             to
             be
             due
             to
             him
             in
             such
             matters
             ,
             from
             all
             his
             Subjects
             .
          
           
             Thirdly
             ,
             by
             desiring
             you
             to
             consider
             ,
             that
             of
             all
             the
             Roman
             Catholicks
             ,
             by
             all
             right
             and
             Laws
             ,
             subject
             to
             the
             King
             ,
             the
             great
             and
             considerable
             body
             indeed
             ,
             is
             only
             the
             Irish
             Nation
             ,
             instructed
             now
             and
             wholy
             (
             as
             to
             point
             of
             Conscience
             )
             governed
             by
             those
             very
             Bishops
             and
             Arch-Bishops
             ,
             how
             apt
             ,
             as
             those
             instructors
             ,
             so
             the
             instructed
             Irish
             generally
             taken
             ,
             are
             in
             the
             present
             conjuncture
             for
             any
             kind
             of
             bad
             impressions
             ,
             from
             abroad
             ,
             and
             consequen●ly
             for
             another
             ,
             fatal
             revolution
             at
             home
             and
             what
             other
             probable
             design
             ,
             then
             that
             of
             preparing
             them
             for
             a
             new
             rebellion
             in
             due
             time
             or
             fit
             opportunity
             at
             home
             ,
             cou●d
             ther●
             be
             in
             those
             eager
             persecutions
             continued
             so
             inexorably
             ,
             scandalously
             ,
             and
             incessantly
             these
             eleven
             years
             past
             ,
             both
             by
             the
             Court
             of
             Rome
             abroad
             ,
             and
             by
             all
             its
             Emissaries
             at
             home
             ,
             although
             more
             violently
             and
             confidently
             these
             four
             last
             years
             by
             the
             foresaid
             new
             Bishops
             and
             Arch-Bishops
             ,
             and
             all
             their
             underlings
             and
             other
             adherents
             against
             so
             innocent
             a
             profession
             of
             Allegiance
             or
             promise
             of
             Obedience
             in
             temporal
             things
             on●y
             to
             the
             King
             ?
             Nay
             what
             other
             probable
             design
             could
             there
             be
             (
             but
             that
             )
             of
             creating
             in
             ,
             and
             commanding
             home
             too
             ,
             and
             crouding
             in
             that
             Kingdom
             so
             many
             titular
             Bishops
             and
             Arch-Bishops
             (
             besides
             Vicars
             Apostolick
             with
             Episcopal
             jurisdiction
             in
             so
             many
             other
             of
             the
             vacant
             Sees
             ,
             and
             besides
             too
             so
             many
             Nunciotist
             Provincials
             of
             Regular
             Orders
             ,
             and
             Abbots
             also
             )
             and
             that
             immediately
             upon
             the
             Duke
             of
             Ormonds
             removal
             from
             that
             Government
             in
             the
             year
             1669
             ?
             Bishops
             and
             Arch-Bishops
             without
             Benefice
             ,
             without
             Revenue
             ,
             without
             Patrimony
             ,
             or
             other
             means
             to
             maintain
             them
             ,
             but
             what
             they
             get
             neither
             by
             preaching
             nor
             praying
             ,
             but
             by
             poling
             and
             pilling
             and
             fleecing
             and
             flaying
             the
             poor
             both
             Priests
             and
             people
             under
             their
             pretended
             
             jurisdiction
             ;
             though
             withal
             ,
             I
             must
             confess
             ,
             devou●ing
             even
             already
             in
             hopes
             ,
             those
             indeed
             considerable
             Temporalties
             which
             the
             Protestant
             Bishops
             enjoy
             at
             present
             according
             to
             Law
             ;
             Pluncket
             of
             Ardmagh
             5000
             l.
             a
             year
             old
             Revenue
             ,
             lawfully
             as
             yet
             possessed
             by
             Margetson
             of
             the
             same
             See
             ;
             Talbot
             of
             Dublin
             thetwo
             or
             3000
             l.
             of
             that
             See
             also
             ,
             which
             Boyl
             or
             
               Michael
               Dubliniensis
            
             hath
             now
             in
             legal
             possession
             :
             and
             so
             for
             the
             rest
             all
             over
             Ireland
             respectively
             .
             Which
             Revenues
             ,
             as
             they
             were
             one
             of
             the
             chief
             causes
             of
             the
             last
             Rebellion
             ;
             think
             you
             they
             may
             not
             in
             all
             likelyhood
             be
             of
             another
             yet
             in
             our
             days
             ?
             Being
             those
             Papal
             Bishops
             hold
             these
             Royal
             Prelates
             to
             be
             meer
             usurpers
             even
             of
             those
             very
             temporal
             revenues
             ,
             and
             know
             themselves
             are
             entituled
             by
             the
             Popes
             Bulls
             not
             only
             to
             the
             spiritual
             Jurisciction
             but
             unto
             all
             kind
             of
             temporals
             belonging
             to
             their
             respective
             Sees
             ,
             and
             were
             both
             created
             and
             commanded
             home
             to
             Ireland
             (
             as
             others
             ,
             their
             Predecessors
             had
             been
             in
             so
             great
             number
             immediately
             before
             the
             last
             Rebellion
             in
             1641
             )
             of
             purpose
             to
             try
             their
             fortune
             ,
             or
             what
             they
             might
             do
             for
             playing
             the
             old
             game
             over
             again
             .
          
           
             And
             in
             the
             fourth
             place
             ,
             by
             entreating
             you
             moreover
             to
             reflect
             on
             all
             the
             Particulars
             of
             the
             foresaid
             Oath
             ,
             in
             which
             particulars
             those
             Papal
             Bishops
             bind
             themselves
             with
             so
             much
             solemnity
             and
             Sacriledg
             to
             be
             Traitors
             ,
             certainly
             at
             least
             to
             a
             Protestant
             King
             ,
             and
             Kingdome
             ;
             unless
             peradventure
             you
             think
             that
             neither
             that
             neither
             the
             Popes
             Canon
             Law
             ,
             nor
             Council
             of
             Trent
             ,
             nor
             
               Bulla
               Coenae
            
             ,
             nor
             Court
             of
             Rome
             it self
             .
             nor
             these
             Bishops
             themselves
             ,
             hold
             Protestants
             to
             be
             either
             Hereticks
             or
             Schismaticks
             :
             or
             that
             you
             see
             not
             how
             these
             Bishops
             bind
             themselves
             even
             to
             persecute
             to
             their
             power
             all
             Hereticks
             &
             Schismaticks
             whatsoever
             .
             And
             how
             ,
             if
             they
             will
             not
             be
             and
             continue
             Traitors
             to
             the
             King
             ,
             they
             must
             be
             at
             Rome
             esteemed
             even
             perjured
             Villains
             ,
             and
             Rebels
             too
             against
             the
             Pope
             ,
             whom
             they
             do
             (
             as
             they
             are
             indeed
             by
             the
             tenor
             of
             the
             said
             Oath
             obliged
             to
             )
             maintain
             to
             be
             doubtless
             the
             only
             Supream
             Lord
             of
             Ireland
             (
             yea
             
               England
               ,
               &c
            
             )
             both
             in
             temporals
             and
             Spirituals
             .
             Now
             what
             confidence
             th●nk
             you
             can
             be
             ,
             by
             a
             Protest
             n
             King
             or
             people
             reposed
             in
             such
             men
             (
             even
             what
             ever
             they
             may
             chance
             say
             ,
             or
             swear
             hereafter
             )
             who
             of
             their
             own
             free
             accord
             ,
             nay
             desire
             ,
             ambition
             ,
             and
             migh●y
             solicitation
             ,
             that
             I
             may
             say
             no
             more
             ,
             put
             an
             absolute
             necessity
             on
             themselves
             even
             at
             
             their
             holy
             Consecration
             ,
             either
             to
             be
             Traitors
             perpetually
             to
             the
             King
             ,
             or
             continually
             perjured
             to
             the
             Pope
             ?
             Though
             otherwise
             ,
             I
             must
             confess
             ,
             they
             are
             by
             the
             eternal
             Law
             of
             God
             and
             man
             ,
             and
             reason
             also
             ,
             bound
             to
             be
             so
             perjured
             .
          
           
             I
             say
             ,
             that
             to
             let
             pass
             at
             present
             all
             these
             considerations
             ,
             and
             many
             more
             too
             ,
             which
             no
             less
             materially
             than
             occasionally
             might
             be
             returned
             to
             your
             answer
             ,
             videlicet
             ,
             either
             that
             of
             
               your
               remaining
               still
               of
               your
               former
               opinion
               ,
            
             or
             that
             which
             in
             effect
             is
             the
             same
             )
             of
             
               you
               not
               believing
               that
               Bishops
               are
               made
               any
               where
               upon
               those
               terms
               except
               perhaps
               in
               the
               Popes
               own
               Territories
               :
            
             nor
             to
             press
             you
             at
             all
             with
             those
             insoluble
             arguments
             ,
             being
             you
             not
             only
             seem
             to
             be
             an
             absolute
             stranger
             to
             all
             affairs
             in
             the
             Kingdom
             of
             Ireland
             ,
             wherein
             I
             cannot
             be
             so
             ,
             as
             having
             a
             good
             part
             of
             my
             estate
             lying
             there
             upon
             the
             account
             of
             an
             old
             Adventurer
             by
             the
             Act
             of
             
               Decimo
               septimo
            
             Caroli
             primi
             but
             you
             also
             ,
             and
             indeed
             no
             less
             plainly
             then
             honestly
             condemn
             that
             wicked
             ,
             Traiterous
             nay
             cruel
             too
             and
             barbarous
             Oath
             ,
             (
             albeit
             indeed
             the
             chief
             support
             ,
             nay
             together
             with
             the
             
               Profession
               of
               Faith
            
             ,
             and
             other
             Oath
             also
             ther●
             in
             contained
             ,
             ordered
             by
             Pius
             the
             4th
             .
             to
             be
             ma●e
             and
             sworn
             both
             by
             all
             whatsoever
             Bishops
             ,
             and
             by
             all
             Dignitaries
             too
             ,
             yea
             all
             Canons
             ,
             Parsons
             ,
             Curats
             ,
             all
             beneficed
             Clerkwh●tsoever
             that
             have
             the
             care
             of
             Souls
             ,
             yea
             also
             by
             all
             Superiors
             of
             Monasteries
             ,
             Convents
             ,
             Houses
             ,
             Places
             of
             Regular
             Orders
             ,
             (
             understand
             Orders
             not
             mendicant
             )
             even
             those
             also
             of
             Millitary
             Orders
             )
             the
             only
             support
             of
             the
             otherwise
             tottering
             Papacy
             :
             I
             say
             therefore
             that
             not
             to
             give
             you
             any
             more
             trouble
             at
             present
             ,
             with
             those
             or
             any
             other
             such
             ,
             however
             material
             replies
             ,
             nor
             expecting
             any
             r●joynder
             from
             you
             to
             them
             ,
             what
             I
             am
             to
             tell
             you
             now
             ,
             is
             first
             ,
             my
             own
             Ingenuous
             acknowledgment
             ;
             that
             if
             but
             even
             all
             the
             rest
             you
             say
             be
             true
             ,
             your
             Religion
             as
             it
             is
             ,
             does
             not
             make
             you
             all
             stupid
             .
             And
             that
             for
             ought
             I
             perceive
             there
             be
             honest
             and
             sensible
             men
             among
             you
             .
             The
             next
             is
             ,
             that
             notwithstanding
             all
             your
             seeming
             candor
             ,
             I
             cannot
             thorowly
             believe
             you
             ,
             while
             you
             hold
             the
             Faith
             is
             not
             to
             be
             kept
             with
             Hereticks
             .
             For
             ,
             if
             indeed
             you
             hold
             this
             tenent
             ,
             who
             can
             be
             perswaded
             ,
             there
             is
             any
             trust
             so
             much
             as
             to
             your
             solemn
             promises
             ,
             much
             less
             private
             Protestations
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             Shall
             I
             give
             you
             a
             short
             answer
             ?
             Being
             you
             acquit
             me
             at
             present
             of
             all
             the
             rest
             .
             Whoever
             holds
             so
             ,
             hang
             him
             up
             in
             Gods
             
             name
             ;
             for
             no
             honest
             man
             will
             think
             him
             worthy
             to
             live
             .
             Many
             of
             you
             deal
             with
             us
             both
             at
             home
             and
             abroad
             ;
             I
             hope
             you
             find
             us
             deal
             as
             fairly
             as
             o●her
             men
             .
             Not
             but
             that
             you
             may
             have
             met
             with
             Knaves
             :
             for
             there
             are
             Knaves
             and
             honest
             men
             of
             all
             professions
             .
             But
             he
             that
             cheats
             one
             of
             another
             Religion
             ,
             would
             not
             spare
             one
             of
             his
             own
             I
             warrant
             him
             .
             As
             for
             the
             truth
             of
             wha●
             I
             say
             -
             ,
             '
             t●s
             easie
             to
             try
             .
             Cherish
             with
             some
             comfortable
             moderation
             ,
             and
             take
             into
             the
             protection
             of
             the
             Law
             ,
             such
             as
             shall
             secure
             you
             in
             the
             man●er
             you
             shall
             think
             fit
             ,
             that
             they
             truly
             are
             so
             perswaded
             as
             I
             have
             informed
             you
             ,
             (
             for
             I
             have
             already
             to●d
             you
             ,
             that
             every
             body
             will
             be
             shy
             to
             offend
             the
             Pop●
             and
             not
             be
             secure
             so
             much
             as
             of
             protection
             )
             But
             shew
             indulgence
             to
             those
             who
             shall
             renounce
             the
             power
             which
             you
             except
             against
             ,
             to
             depose
             Kings
             and
             dispose
             of
             Kingdoms
             ,
             and
             if
             the
             Statutes
             of
             Praemunire
             and
             the
             rest
             ,
             be
             not
             enough
             ,
             find
             out
             what
             more
             punishment
             you
             please
             ,
             for
             those
             who
             shall
             receive
             and
             obey
             decrees
             sent
             from
             Rome
             ,
             without
             allowance
             of
             the
             State
             :
             And
             for
             those
             who
             refuse
             to
             give
             you
             such
             security
             ,
             treat
             them
             w●●●
             〈◊〉
             severity
             you
             please
             .
          
        
         
           
             N.
             
          
           
             What
             think
             you
             Friend
             ?
             to
             my
             apprehension
             this
             seems
             but
             fair
             .
             For
             methinks
             't
             is
             a
             preposterous
             cross
             piece
             of
             Wisdom
             ,
             to
             be
             perpetual
             ,
             y
             disquieting
             our selves
             with
             fears
             .
             of
             Papists
             and
             not
             admit
             them
             to
             secure
             us
             against
             those
             fears
             .
             As
             if
             we
             were
             afraid
             not
             to
             be
             afraid
             of
             them
             :
             or
             as
             if
             it
             were
             for
             our
             t●
             est
             to
             keep
             up
             our
             jealousies
             ,
             and
             not
             suffer
             them
             by
             any
             means
             to
             be
             taken
             away
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             I
             am
             of
             the
             mind
             ;
             but
             yet
             while
             people
             remember
             Queen
             Marys
             days
             ,
             the
             Powder
             Treason
             ,
             the
             Massacres
             in
             France
             and
             Ireland
             ,
             and
             Inquisition
             every
             where
             ;
             things
             as
             manifest
             as
             horrid
             ,
             I
             doubt
             they
             will
             always
             be
             afraid
             ;
             though
             I
             see
             withall
             it
             is
             somthing
             hard
             to
             make
             those
             who
             live
             now
             bear
             the
             blame
             both
             of
             past
             generations
             ,
             and
             other
             Nations
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             You
             would
             think
             it
             yet
             harder
             ,
             if
             you
             knew
             how
             truly
             we
             abhor
             such
             things
             ,
             and
             how
             little
             share
             Religion
             had
             in
             them
             .
             It
             was
             the
             influence
             ,
             which
             the
             severe
             humour
             had
             of
             King
             Philip
             had
             upon
             the
             Counsels
             of
             England
             ,
             which
             brought
             that
             blemish
             upon
             Queen
             Marys
             days
             .
             He
             was
             one
             who
             thought
             violent
             remedies
             the
             best
             ,
             insom●●h
             that
             he
             spared
             not
             the
             Ashes
             of
             a
             man
             in
             whose
             arms
             his
             own
             Father
             had
             yielded
             up
             his
             breath
             .
             By
             his
             inflexible
             
             fi●ure
             upon
             such
             courses
             He
             lost
             the
             Low
             Countrys
             ,
             and
             is
             become
             an
             example
             to
             the
             world
             ,
             how
             little
             severity
             is
             proper
             in
             matters
             of
             Religion
             .
             For
             had
             the
             cruelty
             of
             those
             days
             been
             effectualy
             to
             the
             ends
             ,
             for
             which
             it
             was
             used
             ,
             you
             had
             not
             been
             now
             to
             upbraid
             us
             with
             it
             .
          
           
             Religion
             was
             not
             the
             cause
             of
             the
             Massacres
             you
             mention
             ;
             but
             Fear
             of
             a
             powerful
             faction
             in
             France
             ;
             and
             Hate
             of
             a
             forreign
             and
             commanding
             nation
             in
             Ireland
             .
             In
             both
             cases
             it
             happened
             indeed
             by
             chance
             ,
             that
             there
             was
             difference
             of
             R●l●gion
             ,
             but
             had
             they
             been
             all
             of
             the
             same
             Religion
             ,
             the
             barbarous
             violence
             would
             not
             have
             been
             less
             cruel
             .
             Massacres
             have
             been
             in
             other
             p●aces
             ,
             even
             in
             England
             ,
             and
             where
             Hate
             ,
             or
             Revenge
             ,
             or
             any
             other
             violent
             passion
             hurries
             men
             to
             them
             ,
             they
             spare
             their
             own
             Religion
             no
             more
             than
             another
             ▪
             Cruelty
             shows
             so
             ugly
             ,
             that
             't
             is
             no
             wonder
             if
             those
             ,
             who
             are
             guilty
             of
             it
             ,
             desire
             to
             hide
             it
             under
             some
             handsomer
             vizard
             :
             and
             Religion
             being
             the
             most
             specious
             of
             all
             other
             ,
             if
             every
             body
             take
             it
             up
             that
             can
             ,
             and
             desire
             to
             pass
             rather
             for
             Zealous
             than
             Barbarous
             :
             And
             ●so
             poor
             Religion
             must
             be
             abused
             to
             disguise
             the
             Fear
             of
             France
             ,
             and
             Hate
             of
             Ireland
             ,
             and
             Rebellion
             of
             England
             ,
             (
             ●or
             here
             t
             was
             pretended
             too
             ,
             as
             t
             will
             be
             in
             all
             places
             )
             and
             all
             this
             while
             is
             a
             meer
             pretence
             ,
             and
             least
             of
             all
             aim'd
             at
             by
             those
             who
             cry
             loudest
             out
             upon
             it
             .
             By
             the
             way
             ,
             if
             I
             may
             speak
             of
             Ireland
             in
             particular
             ,
             without
             the
             imputation
             of
             approving
             what
             past
             there
             ,
             for
             in
             truth
             I
             abhor
             those
             passages
             too
             much
             to
             go
             about
             so
             much
             as
             to
             excuse
             them
             ,
             I
             could
             wish
             that
             the
             Author
             who
             mentions
             the
             Lord
             Orrery
             would
             h●ve
             taken
             some
             notice
             too
             of
             what
             is
             answered
             by
             P.
             W
             Your
             Author
             mentions
             two
             hundred
             thousand
             throats
             cut
             :
             P.
             W.
             affi●ms
             that
             my
             Lord
             himself
             bates
             half
             the
             number
             ,
             and
             yet
             confidently
             avows
             ,
             and
             that
             to
             the
             Duke
             of
             Ormond
             who
             should
             know
             ,
             that
             even
             that
             number
             is
             exorbitantly
             vast
             .
             And
             I
             am
             sure
             I
             have
             heard
             from
             those
             who
             are
             well
             acquainted
             with
             particulars
             ●
             and
             ●●fficient
             haters
             of
             those
             cruelties
             ,
             that
             they
             defyed
             all
             the
             world
             to
             make
             good
             the
             murder
             of
             half
             one
             hundred
             thousand
             ,
             or
             so
             much
             as
             twenty
             thousand
             ,
             or
             even
             one
             thousand
             slain
             otherwise
             than
             in
             the
             Wars
             ;
             and
             where
             things
             are
             so
             bad
             of
             themselves
             methinks
             there
             is
             no
             need
             to
             make
             them
             worse
             than
             they
             are
             .
          
           
             The
             Powder
             Traytors
             were
             Papists
             ,
             't
             is
             true
             ;
             and
             't
             is
             true
             likewise
             th●t
             that
             there
             are
             and
             allways
             will
             be
             wicked
             men
             of
             all
             
             Religions
             .
             Had
             Papists
             been
             their
             Judges
             they
             would
             have
             scap'd
             no
             better
             than
             they
             did
             .
             I
             think
             there
             is
             no
             more
             to
             be
             said
             of
             them
             ,
             but
             this
             ,
             in
             which
             I
             am
             sure
             all
             honest
             men
             agree
             ,
             that
             the
             Justice
             of
             that
             Law
             which
             past
             upon
             them
             ,
             had
             more
             of
             mercy
             than
             they
             deserv'd
             .
          
           
             For
             the
             In
             quisition
             take
             my
             word
             Papists
             like
             it
             no
             more
             then
             you
             .
             But
             you
             are
             much
             out
             when
             you
             think
             't
             is
             every
             where
             .
             The
             Pope
             with
             all
             his
             credit
             cannot
             settle
             it
             any
             where
             but
             in
             Italy
             and
             Spain
             ,
             and
             that
             with
             cautions
             enow
             too
             ,
             except
             just
             in
             his
             own
             Territories
             ,
             where
             he
             may
             order
             things
             as
             he
             pleases
             .
             Those
             Princes
             who
             receiveit
             ,
             conceave
             it
             is
             for
             their
             Interest
             ,
             and
             't
             is
             by
             their
             authority
             introduc'd
             among
             their
             Subjects
             ,
             whereof
             I
             believe
             there
             are
             many
             ill
             satisfyed
             with
             it
             .
             For
             us
             who
             are
             Englishmen
             ,
             I
             dare
             answer
             there
             is
             not
             one
             who
             would
             not
             oppose
             it
             with
             all
             his
             power
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             There
             is
             but
             one
             thing
             more
             which
             I
             shall
             propose
             to
             you
             ,
             and
             that
             I
             decare
             is
             more
             for
             the
             satisfaction
             of
             my
             curiosity
             ,
             then
             that
             I
             believe
             any
             great
             matter
             in
             it
             .
             But
             yet
             why
             do
             you
             not
             take
             the
             Discoursers
             counsel
             in
             one
             thing
             ,
             and
             clear
             your selves
             from
             the
             imputation
             of
             Sacred
             bloud
             charg'd
             home
             upon
             you
             by
             the
             answerer
             of
             
               Philanax
               Anglicus
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             It
             is
             an
             imputation
             so
             wild
             and
             manifestly
             groundless
             ,
             that
             I
             do
             not
             think
             any
             understanding
             m●n
             ,
             though
             never
             so
             great
             an
             Enemy
             to
             Papists
             ,
             gives
             any
             credit
             to
             it
             .
             Does
             not
             all
             the
             world
             which
             side
             the
             Papists
             took
             ?
             Inquiry
             has
             been
             made
             for
             the
             guilt
             of
             that
             sacred
             bloud
             ,
             and
             all
             England
             knows
             they
             were
             not
             Papists
             who
             were
             found
             guilty
             .
             If
             they
             had
             ,
             I
             wonder
             who
             would
             protect
             Popish
             Traytors
             .
             If
             the
             Rebellion
             ,
             as
             that
             Author
             would
             pe●swade
             us
             ,
             was
             rais'd
             and
             fomented
             by
             the
             Arts
             of
             th●
             Court
             of
             Rome
             ,
             it
             is
             as
             plain
             case
             that
             the
             Court
             of
             Rome
             had
             very
             little
             influence
             upon
             the
             Papists
             here●
             ,
             who
             acted
             quite
             contrary
             to
             their
             designs
             .
             It
             is
             undenyable
             that
             to
             design
             the
             Kings
             ruin
             ,
             and
             at
             the
             same
             time
             to
             fight
             to
             preserve
             him
             from
             ruin
             ,
             are
             inconsistent
             and
             impossible
             thin●s
             .
             To
             go
             about
             seriously
             to
             answer
             such
             extravagant
             fancies
             ,
             is
             to
             give
             them
             a
             credit
             which
             they
             otherwise
             have
             not
             ,
             nor
             can
             have
             with
             any
             man
             of
             judgment
             .
          
        
         
           
             F.
             
          
           
             For
             all
             that
             he
             tells
             very
             shrewd
             stories
             ,
             and
             such
             as
             he
             undertakes
             to
             make
             good
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             P.
             
          
           
             If
             he
             can
             make
             good
             his
             understanding
             ,
             I
             think
             he
             is
             no
             friend
             to
             his
             Country
             to
             let
             Traytors
             lye
             conceal'd
             in
             it
             ,
             whom
             he
             can
             discover
             .
             Wherefore
             in
             behalf
             of
             Justice
             ,
             and
             Reverence
             to
             that
             sacred
             Person
             a
             Loyalty
             to
             his
             sacred
             Success●r
             ,
             I
             summon
             him
             to
             make
             good
             what
             he
             says
             he
             can
             ,
             and
             require
             at
             his
             hands
             that
             he
             spare
             none
             ,
             whoever
             they
             be
             ,
             but
             expose
             them
             all
             to
             deserved
             punishment
             .
             And
             I
             am
             confident
             I
             shall
             be
             disavow'd
             by
             none
             of
             my
             Religion
             ,
             if
             in
             this
             particular
             I
             disclaim
             all
             benefit
             of
             the
             of
             the
             Act
             of
             Oblivion
             for
             any
             of
             us
             .
             For
             his
             stories
             by
             your
             favour
             they
             are
             far
             from
             shrewd
             ,
             He
             talks
             of
             a
             Priest
             and
             confessor
             who
             flourisht
             his
             sword
             at
             the
             Kings
             death
             .
             This
             story
             if
             I
             we●l
             remember
             ,
             I
             have
             seen
             in
             one
             of
             Mr.
             
             Prinn's
             Books
             ,
             and
             he
             ●athers
             it
             upon
             a
             dead
             man
             ,
             who
             is
             sure
             enough
             will
             not
             rise
             again
             to
             disprove
             him
             .
             But
             as
             luck
             is
             ,
             he
             says
             '
             ●was
             the
             Queens
             Confessor
             And
             't
             is
             sufficiently
             known
             that
             the
             Queens
             Confessor
             do's
             not
             use
             to
             leave
             the
             person
             of
             the
             Queen
             ,
             and
             't
             is
             more
             than
             sufficiently
             known
             that
             the
             Queen
             at
             that
             time
             was
             not
             in
             England
             .
             And
             were
             it
             to
             purpose
             ,
             I
             believe
             there
             are
             yet
             living
             those
             ,
             who
             can
             testifie
             on
             their
             knowledge
             where
             the
             Queens
             Confessor
             then
             was
             .
             So
             that
             't
             was
             something
             shrewdly
             done
             of
             the
             Answerer
             ,
             to
             leave
             out
             that
             particular
             ,
             who
             this
             Confessor
             was
             ,
             by
             which
             the
             forgery
             of
             the
             story
             may
             be
             detected
             ,
             and
             involve
             the
             matter
             in
             a
             general
             charge
             ,
             which
             none
             knows
             how
             to
             answer
             ;
             otherwise
             he
             has
             said
             nothing
             but
             what
             every
             body
             could
             see
             throu●h
             that
             read
             it
             in
             Mr.
             Prinn
             .
             Ag●●n
             he
             tells
             of
             30.
             
             Jesuits
             betwixt
             Roan
             and
             Diepe
             ,
             who
             discovered
             strange
             designs
             to
             one
             whom
             they
             took
             to
             be
             of
             their
             party
             .
             And
             if
             he
             or
             any
             man
             ever
             saw
             30
             Jesuits
             upon
             a
             R●ad
             together
             ,
             or
             if
             he
             did
             can
             fancy
             them
             to
             simple
             ,
             as
             to
             discover
             their
             designs
             to
             men
             they
             know
             not
             ,
             I
             am
             content
             he
             believes
             ev'en
             what
             he
             pleases
             .
             Then
             he
             talk
             of
             the
             F●yar
             ●s
             that
             Dunkirk
             ,
             whom
             he
             makes
             to
             vy
             with
             the
             Jesuits
             ,
             for
             the
             glory
             of
             that
             inhuman
             action
             ;
             and
             this
             before
             an
             understa●ding
             Gentl●man
             .
             But
             certain
             't
             was
             no
             great
             sign
             of
             understanding
             ;
             to
             broach
             such
             a
             story
             ,
             when
             all
             the
             world
             knows
             there
             n●ither
             are
             ,
             nor
             ever
             were
             any
             F●ya●s
             at
             Dunki●k
             ,
             English
             I
             mean
             ,
             for
             str●nge●s
             ,
             I
             suppose
             he
             will
             not
             make
             so
             concern'd
             in
             the
             affai●s
             of
             our
             Country
             .
             He
             talks
             too
             of
             our
             transformations
             ●nto
             Indepe●dents
             to
             make
             England
             depend
             on
             the
             
             Pope
             ,
             and
             fift
             Monarchyst's
             to
             ruine
             the
             English
             Monarchy
             ,
             and
             Agitator
             ,
             and
             I
             know
             not
             what
             ,
             I
             suppose
             to
             shew
             he
             can
             quibble
             ;
             otherwise
             every
             body
             le●s
             if
             we
             could
             so
             easily
             ,
             and
             undiscoverably
             disguise
             our selves
             ,
             we
             were
             mad
             if
             we
             took
             not
             all
             the
             shape
             of
             Protestants
             ,
             and
             so
             avoided
             the
             danger
             of
             the
             Law
             without
             more
             ado
             .
             For
             who
             should
             find
             us
             out
             if
             we
             could
             make
             all
             the
             wo●ld
             believe
             we
             were
             Protestants
             ?
             Alas
             ●
             you
             know
             ,
             and
             we
             know
             too
             we●l
             ,
             that
             a
             Papist
             cannot
             long
             conceal
             his
             Religion
             .
             If
             these
             be
             your
             shrewd
             stories
             ,
             your
             hate
             to
             us
             will
             let
             any
             thing
             p●ss
             ;
             I
             have
             not
             seen
             any
             thing
             that
             pretends
             to
             serious
             ,
             less
             significant
             ,
             and
             a
             body
             would
             have
             thought
             a
             Church-man
             should
             better
             know
             what
             belong
             to
             defaming
             our
             Neigebour
             ,
             tha●
             to
             expose
             the
             credit
             of
             a
             great
             many
             innocent
             men
             to
             scandal
             upon
             such
             no-grounds
             as
             he
             mentions
             .
          
        
         
           
             F
             
          
           
             Nay
             Sir
             ,
             I
             declared
             before
             ,
             it
             was
             only
             out
             of
             curiosity
             I
             spoke
             of
             this
             matter
             ,
             For
             I
             ever
             thought
             it
             very
             od
             ,
             you
             should
             be
             lookt
             upon
             as
             friends
             to
             the
             King
             during
             all
             the
             times
             of
             confusion
             ,
             and
             for
             that
             reason
             be
             out
             of
             favour
             with
             all
             the
             several
             changes
             of
             Government
             ,
             and
             of
             a
             sudden
             be
             charged
             with
             Annuity
             to
             the
             King
             when
             he
             came
             in
             .
             But
             I
             thank
             you
             for
             the
             information
             you
             have
             given
             us
             ,
             and
             avow
             fr●ely
             to
             you
             ,
             I
             shall
             carry
             away
             apprehensions
             of
             you
             very
             different
             from
             what
             I
             brought
             in
             .
             For
             indeed
             I
             thought
             the
             blind
             implicite
             obedience
             had
             involv'd
             you
             all
             into
             stupid
             and
             unsufferable
             errors
             ,
             and
             rendred
             you
             unfit
             ,
             not
             only
             for
             protection
             ,
             but
             even
             harbor
             amongst
             honest
             men
             :
             But
             I
             perceive
             't
             is
             with
             you
             ,
             as
             with
             the
             rest
             of
             the
             world
             ,
             where
             there
             are
             good
             and
             bad
             of
             all
             sorts
             ,
             And
             though
             I
             have
             no
             kindness
             for
             your
             Religion
             yet
             I
             will
             confess
             I
             begin
             to
             wish
             as
             well
             as
             you
             ,
             that
             the
             book
             which
             has
             occasioned
             all
             our
             discourse
             had
             not
             been
             written
             ;
             for
             methinks
             't
             is
             hard
             to
             charge
             the
             follies
             of
             some
             ,
             without
             distinction
             upon
             a●●
             .
          
        
         
           
             P.
             
          
           
             I
             cannot
             tell
             what
             the
             design
             of
             the
             Author
             was
             .
             'T
             is
             in
             the
             number
             of
             unknowable
             secrets
             ,
             and
             we
             ought
             still
             to
             judge
             favourably
             of
             things
             we
             know
             not
             .
             But
             his
             Book
             seems
             apt
             to
             stir
             animosities
             ,
             which
             if
             he
             judge
             seasonable
             ,
             I
             should
             think
             not
             so
             charitable
             .
             Neither
             can
             I
             understand
             why
             the
             moderate
             share
             we
             had
             in
             the
             late
             Indulgence
             ,
             should
             occasion
             so
             much
             Zeal
             against
             us
             ,
             and
             none
             against
             others
             who
             were
             more
             largly
             
             indulged
             ,
             and
             are
             otherwise
             much
             and
             many
             ways
             more
             considerable
             :
             Especially
             ,
             when
             I
             consider
             the
             Topies
             he
             uses
             ,
             your
             Religion
             ,
             says
             he
             ,
             is
             an
             excellent
             Religion
             ,
             and
             ours
             full
             of
             stupidity
             :
             Be
             it
             so
             ;
             may
             we
             not
             therefore
             be
             Permitted
             to
             say
             our
             prayers
             in
             private
             ?
             Which
             is
             all
             the
             Indulgence
             allow'd
             us
             .
             Sure
             t
             is
             no
             part
             of
             the
             goodness
             of
             your
             Church
             to
             hinder
             others
             from
             being
             as
             good
             as
             they
             can
             ;
             and
             the
             worse
             our
             Religion
             is
             ,
             the
             more
             need
             we
             have
             of
             praying
             to
             make
             us
             better
             .
             Again
             let
             the
             Pope
             claim
             what
             power
             he
             pleases
             ,
             and
             that
             power
             be
             as
             inconvenient
             as
             that
             Gentleman
             pleases
             ;
             private
             prayer
             will
             not
             therefore
             be
             inconvenient
             ,
             or
             you
             receive
             any
             harm
             from
             what
             passes
             in
             private
             .
             Against
             seditious
             Doctrines
             ,
             such
             as
             those
             are
             declared
             by
             Catholicks
             to
             be
             ,
             I
             hope
             the
             Laws
             takes
             Order
             ,
             and
             they
             are
             excepthd
             by
             the
             very
             declaration
             .
             'T
             is
             the
             name
             of
             Abby
             Lands
             and
             Vbby-Lubbers
             ▪
             and
             the
             rest
             of
             the
             inconveniences
             he
             mentions
             ;
             private
             prayer
             certainly
             will
             never
             pray
             them
             in
             ,
             and
             were
             there
             any
             danger
             of
             them
             ,
             we
             should
             help
             you
             to
             our
             powers
             to
             keep
             them
             out
             .
             His
             Topic
             of
             Auricular
             confession
             ,
             in
             my
             opinion
             might
             have
             been
             spared
             in
             respect
             to
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
             which
             is
             far
             from
             disaproving
             such
             Confession
             .
             And
             however
             every
             body
             must
             needs
             see
             that
             there
             are
             Nations
             ,
             who
             use
             it
             ,
             as
             careful
             of
             the
             honours
             ,
             of
             their
             Families
             every
             jot
             as
             the
             English
             ,
             and
             something
             more
             jealous
             .
             An
             abuse
             may
             sometimes
             happen
             ,
             from
             which
             there
             is
             nothing
             so
             sacred
             that
             can
             always
             be
             free
             but
             good
             things
             are
             not
             to
             be
             taken
             away
             because
             t
             is
             possible
             they
             may
             be
             abused
             .
             At
             worst
             I
             do
             not
             see
             that
             you
             are
             concern'd
             .
             If
             we
             have
             a
             mind
             to
             prostitute
             our
             Wives
             and
             Daughters
             ,
             how
             are
             youth●
             less
             safe
             ,
             or
             which
             way
             endanger'd
             if
             we
             be
             all
             Wh●res
             and
             Cuckolds
             .
          
        
         
           
             We
             fell
             a
             laughing
             at
             that
             expression
             ,
             and
             that
             laughter
             broke
             of
             our
             discourse
             ,
             and
             soon
             after
             our
             company
             .
             I
             parted
             as
             soon
             as
             I
             had
             payd
             our
             Coffee
             ,
             and
             I
             wish
             you
             may
             think
             your
             few
             pence
             as
             well
             bestow
             d
             on
             the
             Relation
             as
             I
             did
             mine
             to
             hear
             it
             .
          
        
         
           FINIS
           .