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Trinity -- Early works to 1800. 2004-10 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-11 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-01 Jonathan Blaney Sampled and proofread 2005-01 Jonathan Blaney Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-04 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A LETTER To a FRIEND , Concerning a POSTSCRIPT To the Defence of Dr. SHERLOCK's Notion OF THE Trinity in Unity , Relating to The Calm and Sober Enquiry upon the same Subject . LONDON , Printed by J. Astwood for Tho. Parkhurst at the Bible and 3 Crowns at the lower End of Cheapside , near Mercers-Chappel , 1694. A LETTER To a FRIEND , &c. SIR , I Find a Postscript to the newly published Defence of Dr. Sherlock 's Notion of the Trinity in Unity , takes Notice of the Enquiry concerning the possibility of a Trinity in the Godhead . He that writes it seems somewhat out of Humour , or not in such as it is decent to hope is more usual with him : And I can't guess for what , unless that one , whom he imagines a Dissenter , hath adventured to cast his Eyes , that way that he did , his . But for that Imagination he may have as little ground , as I to think the Dean's Defender is the Dean : And as little as he had to say the Enquirer took great Care that no Man should suspect that he favours the Dean in his Notions , where he is quite out in his guess ; for the Enquirer took no such Care at all , but nakedly to represent his own Sentiments as they were , whether they agreed with the Dean's , or wherein they differ'd : And really cares not who knows that he hath not so little kindness either for the truth or for him , as to abandon or decline what he thinks to be true for his sake , or ( as he express'd himself p. 29. of that Discourse ) because he said it . But the Defender represents the Dean as much of another temper , and that he will thank him for not favouring him in his Notions . But yet he says , that tho' the Enquirer doth not in every particular say what the Dean says , yet he says what will justifie him against — the Charge of Tritheism . And is there any hurt to him in that ? what a strange Man doth he make the Dean ! as if he could not be pleased unless he alone did engross Truth ! will he thank a Man for not favouring his Notions , and yet would blame him for not saying in every particular what he says , tho' he say what will justifie him against the heaviest Charge fram'd against him ! may one neither be allow'd to agree with him , nor disagree ? But Sir , the Defender's Discourse hath no design ( nor I believe he himself ) to disprove the Possibility of a Trinity in the ever blessed God-head . Therefore the Enquirer is safe from him as to the principal Design he is concerned for , it is all one to him if it still appear possible in what way it be so represented , that is intelligible , consistent with it self , and with other truth ; so that it is hardly worth the while to him , further to enquire whether the Dean's Hypothesis or his be better , if either be found unexceptionably , safe and good . But because the Defender hath , to give preference to the one , misrepresented both with some appearing disadvantage to the Cause it self , what he says ought to be considered . And the whole Matter will be reduced to this twofold Enquiry : 1. Whether the Enquirer hath said more than the Dean , or more than is defensible , of the distinction of the Sacred Three in the Godhead . 2. Whether the Dean hath said so much as the Enquirer , or so much as was requisite of their Union . 1. For the former , the Defender , p. 103. mentions the Dean's Notion of three Infinite Minds or Spirits : And makes the Enquirer to have been proving three Spirits , three distinct Essences , three individual Natures , in the Godhead ; and then adds — for my part , I cannot take where the difference is , unless it be in the term Infinite . 'T is indeed strange the Enquirer shou'd have said more than the Dean , if there were no difference , unless in the term Infinite , wherein he must have said Infinitely less . But he at length , apprehends another difference , tho' he after labours to make it none , viz. that the Enquirer disputes , but asserts nothing , and he fancies he doth so to shelter himself from the Animadverter , of whom he says he seems to be terribly afraid — Here he puts the Dean into a fit of kindness and good Nature , allowing the Enquirer to partake with him in his fears , tho' not in his Notions , as more sacred . But he herein understands not the Enquirer , who if he had been so terribly afraid , could very easily have said nothing : And who was really afraid of a greater Animadverter , thinking it too great boldness , under his Eye , to speak confidently of his own peculiarities , and that ly folded up in so venerable darkness . He thought it enough , in opposition to the daring Person ( whosoever he was ) with whom he was concern'd that so peremptorily pronounc'd the Trinity an absurdity , a contradiction , nonsense , and an impossibility , to represent whar he proposed as possible for ought he knew . And now the Defender will have the Dean to have done no more . And with all my Heart let him have done no more , if he and his Animadverter , and the rest of the World will so agree it : But he will have the Enquirer to have done more , and to be much more exposed to the Charge of Tritheism , by asserting three distinct Essences , three individual Natures , and three spiritual Beings in the Godhead . This is indeed very marvellous , that the Enquirer should expose himself to the Charge of Tritheism by asserting all this , when but a few Lines before upon the same Page , he is said to have asserted nothing ! But he may as well make the Enquirer in asserting nothing to have asserted all this , as the Dean in asserting all this to have asserted nothing . And where the Enquirer hath said in express words that the Sacred Three are three distinct substances I can't find : And we must in great part alter the common Notion of Substance to make it affirmable of God at all , viz. that it doth substare accidentibus , which I believe the Dean will no more than the Enquirer suppose the Divine Being to admit . But 't is true , that there is somewhat more considerable in the Notion of Substance , according whereto , if the Dean can make a shift to avoid the having of any inconvenient thing proved upon him by consequence , I hope the Enquirer may find a way to escape as well . But whereas he says the Dean allows but one Divine Essence , and one individual Nature in the Godhead repeated in three Persons , but without multiplication , as he says he had already explained it . This hath occasion'd me to look back to that explanation , and if he thinks the allowing but one Divine Essence , and one individual Nature in the Godhead , will agree with what the Dean hath said in his Vindication , I shall not envy him , nor ( now ) go about to disprove it . But I confess I see not how it can agree with what the Defender says in this his explanation it self , when p. 23. he tells us the Son is the living subsisting Image of the Father , and the Image and the Prototype can not be the same but must be two . No man is his own Image , nor is an Image the Image of it self . And he adds , this is so self evident , &c. But whereas the distinction all this while might be understood to be but modal , and that appears to be the Defenders present ( what ever was the Deans former ) meaning , that the three subsistences differ only in their different manner of subsisting , yet with this meaning his other words do little agree , for he plainly asserts a real distinction of three in the same individual numerical nature . And who did ever make a real distinction to be but modal ? More expresly he had said before p. 18. the Divine Nature is one individual nature , but not one single nature , for one single nature can be but one person whether in God or man. I shall not here discuss with him the Criticism upon which he lays so mighty stress of one individual nature and one single nature , but take the terms he chooses , and if the Divine Nature be not one single nature , it must be double , it must be triple . And what doth this come to less than three Natures ? unless all ordinary forms of speech must be quite abandon'd and forsaken . And wherein doth it come short of what is said by the Enquirer ? p. 50. and 51. This term individual must ( in the case now supposed , as possible not as certain ) admit of a twofold application either to the distinct essence of the Father , or of the Son , or of the Holy Ghost ; or to the entire essence of the Godhead , in which these three do concurr . Each of these conceived by it self , are ( according to this supposition ) individual essences , but conceived together they are the entire individual essence of God , for there is but one such essence and no more , and it can never be multiplied nor divided into more of the same name and nature . Duplicity , triplicity , are admitted ; simplicity rejected , if ( simple and single be of the same signification . ) Where is the difference , but that the one thinks absolute omnimodous simplicity is not to be affirmed of the Divine Nature , as he often speaks . The other says downright , it is not single or simple without limitation . The one denies multiplication of it , so doth the other : The one indeed speaks positively , the other doth but suppose what he says as possible not certain . And there is indeed some difference between supposing a thing as possible for ought one knows ; and affirming it so positively , as to impute Heresie , and Nonsense to all Gainsayers . But both bring for proof , the same thing , The incarnation ; as in the Postscript , the Defender takes notice the Enquirer doth . p. 102. And so doth he himself in his letter , p. 102. — The Divine Nature was incarnate in Christ , he was perfect God and perfect man , and if there was but one single Divine Nature in all three persons , this one single Divine Nature was incarnate , and therefore the Father and the Holy Ghost who are this single Divine Nature as well as the Son , must be as much incarnate as the Son was . He makes the contrary absurd . And brings in ( fitly enough ) Victorinus Afer teaching , that we ought not to say , nor is it lawful to say , that there is but one substance ( i. e. as he paraphrases it , one single subsisting nature ( therefore there must be three single subsisting natures ) and three persons . For if this same substance did and suffer'd all ( Patri-passiani et nos ) we must be Patri-passians , which God forbid . And what the Defender alledges from the Ancients , against the Sabellians , allowing only a Trinity of Names and his taking the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , in the concrete not in the abstract , fully enough speaks the Enquirers sense , his accounting the contrary too Fine and Metaphysical for him was what was writ to Dr. Wallis , Calm Discourse , p. 107. too fine or too little solid , &c. In short , till it can be effectually prov'd , that Mind and Spirit do not signifie somewhat as absolute as Nature or Essence ( or rather more than the former , which signifies the Principle of Operation as the other of Being , ) And till it can be as well prov'd , that asserting a thing as certain , so as to pronounce it Heresie and Nonsense to think otherwise , is less than only to propose it as possible , or enquire whether it be so or no , The Dean must be judg'd by every one that understands common sense , to have heightened the Distinction of three Persons at least as much as the Enquirer . And whether the Enquirer have supposed more than is defensible against the Defenders objections , will be considered by and by in its proper place . In the mean time let it 2. Be examin'd whether the Dean has said as much for salving the Unity of the Godhead as the Enquirer , or as much as is requisite to that purpose . And here our Business will be short , for it all turns upon that one single point , whether mutual Consciousness be that Union which must be acknowledged , or suppose it only . For which we need only appeal to common Reason , whether Being do not in the natural Order precede even the Power of working , and consequently whether being united vitally , precede not the possibility of acting agreeably to that united state , whereupon the Enquiry is not concerning actual conscience only , but ( as he speaks ) Consciousness . Is it possible any three Persons or Intelligent Subsistences , should naturally have vital Perception of each others internal Motions and Sensations , without being vitally preunited ? I say naturally , for that God might give to three created Spirits a temporary Perception of each other without bringing them into a stated Union each with other , is little to be doubted ; as a Spirit may assume a Body and animate it pro tempore without being substantially united with it . And if that Body were also a Spirit they might pro tempore for ought we know by extraordinary Divine Disposition ( for within the ordinary course of Nature we know of no such intimacy of created Spirits to another ) be quasi animae to one another . But if naturally they were so to mingle and transfuse Sensations mutually into each other , they must be naturally , first , in vital union with one another . Nor therefore did the Enquirer mistake the Dean's Notion as the Defender fancies in the passage he quotes p. 104. as if he took mutual Consciousness for meer mutual Perspection . For tho' scire abstractly taken doth not signifie more than perspicere , yet the Enquirer in that passage speaking of a never so perfect mutual perspection properly enough express'd thereby as great a feeling such Spirits were supposed to have of each other , in themselves , as mutual consciousness is apt to signifie , or as the Dean can yet be supposed to have meant , that perspection being more perfect which produces gusts and relishes suitable to the Object , than that which stays in meer speculation only . And upon the whole , it seems very strange the Defender should say , if such an internal , vital sensation , be not an essential union , he believes no man can tell what it is . For how can such actual sensation be imagin'd to be union ? As well might the use of sense its self ( speaking of any thing singly to which it belongs ) be said to be its constituent form , or ( consequently ) the doing any thing that proceeds from Reason , be the form of a Man. So the writing a Book , should be the Author . And whereas he says it is certain the Dean took it to be so , and therefore he did not leave out a natural external union ; it follows , indeed , that he did not leave it out , in his Mind , and Design , but he nevertheless left it out of his Book , and therefore said not enough there , to salve the unity of the Godhead , but ought to have insisted upon somewhat prior to mutual consciousness , as constituent of that unity , and which might make the three one , and not meerly argue them to be so . 2. But now p. 105. he comes to find as great fault with the Enquirers way of maintaining this unity , and because he is resolv'd to dislike it , if he can't find it faulty , sets himself to make it so . The Temper of Mind wherewith he writes to this purpose what follows p. 105. and onwards to the end so soon , and so constantly shews it self , that no man whose mind is not in the same disorder will upon Tryal apprehend any thing in it , but such heat as dwells in darkness . And he himself hath given the Document which may be a measure to any apprehensive Reader . True divine Wisdom rests not on an ill natur'd , and perverse Spirit , I understand it , while the ill fit lasts . But 't is strange he could write those words without any self-reflection . The Thing to be reveng'd is , that the Enquirer did freely speak his Thoughts , wherein he judg'd the Dean's Hypothesis defective , his not taking notice of what he reckon'd naturally antecedent and fundamental to mutual consciousness : A most intimate , natural , necessary , eternal union of the sacred Three . If the Enquirer spake sincerely , as he understood the matter , and him ; and it evidently apppear the Defender did not so , I only say the wrong'd person hath much the advantage and wishes him no other harm , than such gentle Regrets , as are necessary to set him right with himself , and his higher Judge . He says , he ( the Enquirer ) represents this ( Unity ) by the union of soul and body , and by the union of the divine and humane nature , &c. 'T is true , he partly doth so , but more fully by the ( supposed union of ) three created Spirits ( to which he that will may see , he only makes that a lower step ) and he says , ( with respect especially to the former of these ) That an union supposeable to be originally , eternally , and by natural necessity in the most perfect being , is to be thought unexpressibly more perfect than any other . But ( he adds ) these are personal unions , and therefore cannot be the unity of the Godhead . And he very well knew ( for he had but little before cited the passage ) that the Enquirer never intended them so , but only to represent that the union of the three in the Godhead , could not be reasonably thought less possible . What he farther adds is much stranger ( and yet herein I am resolv'd to put Charity towards him to the utmost stretch , as he professes to have done his understanding ) for he says — as far as he can possibly understand and that he should be glad to be better informed , tho' there is some reason to apprehend that former displeasure darkned his understanding , ( and even dimn'd his Eye-sight ) which yet I hope hath it's more lucid Intervals , and that his distemper is not a fixed habit with him . ) And what is it now that he cannot possibly understand otherwise ? that no other union will satisfie him ( viz. the Enquirer ) but such an union of three spiritual Beings and individual natures as by their composition constitute the Godhead , as the composition of soul and body do the Man , i. e. He cannot understand but he means what he expresly denies . Who can help so cross an understanding ? If he had not had his very finger upon the place where the Enquirer says in express words [ I peremptorily deny all composition in the Being of God ] this had been more excusable , ( besides much said to the same purpose elsewhere ) It had been ingenuous in any man not to impute that to another , as his meaning , which in the plainest terms he disavows , as none of his meaning : And it had been prudent in the Dean ( or his Defender ) of all Mankind not to have done so in the present case , as will further be seen in due time . But he takes it for an Affront , when he fancies a man to come too near him . He adds , for this reason he disputes earnestly against the universal absolute omnimodous simplicity of the divine Nature , and will not allow that Wisdom , Power , and Goodness , are the same thing in God , and distinguished into different Conceptions by us , only through the weakness of our understandings , which cannot comprehend an infinite Being in one thought , and therefore must , as well as we can , contemplate him by parts . I know not what he means by earnestly , the matter was weighty , and it is true , he was in writing about it in no disposition to jeast . But it 's said he disputed against the universal , absolute , omnimodous simplicity of the Divine Nature . I hope the Defender in this means honestly , but he speaks very improperly , for it supposes him to think that the universal , absolute , omnimodous simplicity , so earnestly disputed against , did really belong to the Divine Nature , but I can scarce believe him to think so , and therefore he should have said , his disputation tended to prove it not to belong . If he ( viz. the Defender , or the Dean ) did really think it did , they , or he , must be very singular in that sentiment . I would have them name me the man that ever laid down and asserted such a position . Some I know have said of that Sacred Being , that it is summè simplex , or more simple than any thing else , but that imports not universal , absolute , omnimodous simplicity , which is impossible to be a perfection , or therefore to belong to the Divine Nature . No man that ever acknowledged a Trinity of persons even modally distinguished , could ever pretend it , for such simplicity excludes all modes . Nay , the Antitrinitarians themselves can never be for it , as the Calm Discourse hath shewn . And if the Dean be , he is gone into the remotest extream from what he held ( and plainly enough seems still to hold ) that ever man of sense did . But for what is added , that he will not allow that Wisdom , Power and Goodness , are the same thing in God : This is not fairly said , Civility allows me not to say , untruly . There is no word in the place he cites , nor any where in that book , that signifies not allowing , 't is intimated we are not instructed by the Scripture to conceive of the Divine Nature , as , in every respect , most absolutely simple , or that Power , Wisdom , Goodness in the abstract , are the same thing , and that our difficulty is great to apprehend them really undistinguishable . And let me seriously ask himself , doth he in good earnest think it is only through the weakness of our understandings that we distinguish the notions of the Divine Wisdom , Power and Goodness ? certainly it were great weakness of unstanding to define them alike . I believe he never met with the writer yet that distinguisht them less , than ratione ratiocinatâ , in contradistinction to ratocinante , which implies somewhat corresponding to our distinct notions of them ( eminently and not formally ) in naturâ rei . And whereas he further says , This prepared his way to make Goodness , Wisdom , Power , — a natural Trinity n Unity , herein the Defender is mistaken . This is not the Trinity which the Enquirers discourse was ever intended to terminate in , as he himself hath expresly said , and the Defender takes notice of it , which makes me wonder how he could think it was so intended , citing the very passage p. 37. where the Enquirer professes , not to judge , that we are under the precise notions of Power , Wisdom and Goodness , to conceive of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost . But why then were these three so much discourst of before ? They are three most celebrated Divine Attributes , wherein we have our most immediate and very principal concern . And some have thought the Trinity was most fitly to be conceived by them : The Enquirer did not think so ; but he thought first , it would be requisite to have our minds disentangled from any apprehended necessity of conceiving them to be in all respects the very same things , nor are they the very same , if they be so distinguish'd as is expressed in the 16 th . of the summary propositions ; where also they are each of them said to be common to Father , Son , and Holy Ghost , whence therefore it is impossible they shou'd be thought to distinguish Father , Son , and Holy Ghost . But that some distinction being admitted even of them , this might facilitate to us our conception of the greater distinction which must be , of Father , Son and Spirit , as is express'd p. 38. Indeed he did not think fit to interrupt his discourse by staying to shew reasons why he did not rest in that account alone of the Trinity , tho' it might seem plausible , or not absurd , but proceeded further to what was more satisfying to himself , and might be so to other men . And ( as the intervening Series of his discourse leads thereto ) this is more directly done p. 47. & 48. &c. especially where he comes to speak of the necessary coexistence , and the ( as necessary and natural ) order of the Father , Son and Spirit , towards each other . The second being , not by any intervening act of will , but by necessary , eternal promanation , from the first , and the third from them both . And the true reason why Power , Wisdom and Goodness , were not thought expressive of the distinction of Father , Son and Spirit , but common to each of them ( as is said , Summary Prop. 16. ) was , thatt the two latter can not but be necessary emanations , most connatural to their Original , as is truely suggested by the Defender , p. 1●1 . If you object ( as the Defender brings in the Enquirer , saying ) That this gives us the notion of a compounded Deity , &c. This , i. e. the supposition , that absolute omnimodous simplicity , belongs not to it , is the thing which may be thought to give us this notion . And he tells us , he ( the Enquirer ) answers this difficulty , by giving us a new notion of a compositum . And what 's that which he calls a new notion ? that a compositm seems to imply a preexisting component , that brings such things together , and supposes such and such more simple things to have preexisted apart , or separate , and to be brought afterwards together into an united State. And indeed is this a new notion ? as new as the Creation ? Let him shew me an Instance through the whole created universe of Beings ( And for the uncreated Being the Defender ( now at this time ) disputes against any composition there , and the Enquirer denies any ) first , where there hath been a compositum without a pre-existing component , or next the compounded parts whereof , if substantial did not in order of nature pre-exist separate ; i. e. whether esse simplicitèr do not naturally precede esse tale , or which is all one , to our present purpose , whether they were not capable hereof if the Creator pleased : Let any man , I say , tell me where was there ever a compositum made by substantial union , that did not consist of once separate or of separable parts . But note his admirable following supposition , that is to say , that if a man , suppose , who consists of body and soul , had been from eternity , without a maker , and his soul , and body had never subsisted a part , he could not have been said to have been a compounded Creature ? This is said with design most groundlesly ( as we shall see ) to fasten an absurd consequence upon the Enquirer , and see how it lucks : Did ever any man undertake to reprove an absurdity with greater absurdity ? a Creature without a Maker ! what sort of Creature must this be ! we have a pretty saying quoted in the Defender's Letter ; He that writes lies down ; and we are apt enough too , when we write to trip and fall down , and ought in such Cases to be merciful to one another , even tho' he that falls should be in no danger of hurting his fore-head , much more if he be . What was another man's turn now , may be mine next . But let the supposition proceed , and put we Being instead of Creature , which no doubt was the Defender's meaning , for Creature he must needs know it could not be that had no Maker . And what then ? why he should not ( says he ) have been said to be compounded , though he would have had the same parts that he has now : We have here a self-confounding supposition , which having done that first , can't hurt him whom it was designed to confound , being taken in season . Grant one , and you grant a thousand . A Being made up of a soul and a body , is so imperfect an entity , as could not be of it self . Nothing is of it self which is not absolutely perfect . If he mind to disprove this , let him try his faculty when he pleases against it , and ( which I sincerely believe he never intends ) together with it , against all Religion . But besides , he hath destroy'd his own supposition himself ( to put us out of that danger ) by saying in plain words , p. 107. We have no Notion of an eternal and necessary Existence , but in an absolutely perfect and infinite nature . Now say I , what is so perfect , and hath whatever belongs to it necessarily , though distinguishable things belong to it , hath no parts , for what are parts , but such things as can be parted ? such things as never were parted , and never can be , ( as 't is nonsence to talk of those things being parted that are united necessarily , and of themselves ) are no parts , if partiri , whence they are so called , must not ( and herein he cannot so fool the whole Christian World as to make it concur with him ) lose its signification to serve a turn . Tho' the things be real , there partibility is not real . If any indeed will call them parts , beeause they may be conceived or contemplated apart , as parts meerly conceptible are no prejudice to the perfection of the Divine Being , so are such conceivable parts acknowledged by this Author himself in express words ; we cannot comprehend an infinite Being in one Thought , and therefore must as well as we can contemplate him by parts . God can as little admit to be a part of any thing , as to have any thing a part of him . And yet 't is no prejudice to the Dignity and Perfection of his Being , to conceive of him conjunctly with other things , as when we make him a part ( subject or predicate ) of a Proposition . All his disputation therefore against parts and composition in the Deity , is against a figment , or no present adversary . For my part I am of his mind , and I should be obliged to thank him that this once he vouchsafes to let me be on his side , when he knows I am , if he did not take so vast pains to make others not know it . How hard a thing is it for an angry man ( especially when he knows not why ) to write with a sincere Mind . But hath he in all this fervent bluster a present concern at this time for the Honour of the Divine Being ? ( as God forbid I should think he never hath ) what is that he supposes injurious to it ? Is it the words , parts and compounds ? or is it the things supposed to be united in the Divine Being ? The words he knows to be his own , and let him dispose of them more ineptly if he can tell how : parts that were never put together , never parted , nor ever shall be the one or other ; i. e. that never were or will be parts : And a compound of such parts ! But now for the things upon which he would obtrude these words [ three Essences , natures , ( or if you please , Infinite minds or spirits ) signified by the Names of Father , Son and Holy Ghost , in eternal union , but distinct in the Being of God. ] Let us consider his disputation against them united , or in union , according to its double aspect : First , upon the Hypothesis or Supposition of them : Secondly , upon himself . First , Consider his Disputation as levell'd against the Hypothesis or supposition of such distinct essences , natures , minds , spirits , in necessary , eternal Union in the Divine Being . And one of his arguments against it , is in those words of his One principal argument against it ( here put out parts and composition which are his own , and we have no more to do with them ) is , that God is eternal and unmade , and whatsoever ( hath parts , saies he ) hath such essences in it , must have a maker . And here let him prove his consequence , and his business is done , viz. both ways , as will be seen by and by . But let him shew the inconsistency between a things having such distinct essences naturally and necessarily united in it , ( as the supposition to be argued against is , and before ought to have been justly stated ) and it 's being eternal and unmade . But how that is to be evinced I can not so much as guess ; confident affirmation , against the most obvious Tenour of Gods own Word , is of little account , who shall ascend into the heavens ? or fathom the depths ? or can have that perspection of God's incomprehensible nature , as without ( and visibly against ) his own revelation to be able , without great rashness , to pronounce so concerning him ? But so toyish an Argument as here follows , is worse than the Position ; i. e. when one shall say , that for ought we know there may be three distinct Essences by an eternal unmade union , united into one , in the Being of God ; any man should say , and be so vain as to expect to be regarded , that because they are united by an eternal and unmade union , therefore they are not united by an eternal and unmade union ! If there be not a Contradiction in the terms to disprove a thing , by it self , is to say nothing , or is all one with proving a thing by it self . He proceeds , to what hath no thing in it like an Argument , but against his own Conceit of parts , and that very trifling too . There can be but one eternal nature in God : But if there be three — there must be three . This 't is now come to , proving his Point by its self . Here he makes sure work to have nothing deny'd , but then nothing is prov'd , no advance is made ; if there be three , there must be three . But if there be three what ? eternal parts : There must be three different Natures , or else they — would be the same . ( What ? tho' distinct ? ) But this supposes some body said the first : And who ? himself ; therefore he is disproving himself . If I had said so , I would have deny'd his consequence , for there may be similar parts : Whereas by different , he seems to mean dissimilar . He says not only distinct , but different natures . Now you have that wonderful thing talk'd of some times , but never brought to view before , a distinction without a difference . 'T is strange how any things should be distinct , and no way different . What distinguishes them if they differ by nothing . This different , apply'd to this present Case , is his own word , coined to introduce a Notion that is not new to Christians only , but to all Man-kind . If by different Natures he means ( as he seems ) of a different kind , who thought of such a difference ? But I trow , things that differ in number , do as truly differ ( however essentially cohaering ) tho' not so widely . His next is , that though we have a natural notion of an eternal Being , we have no notion of three eternal Essences ( which again I put instead of his parts ) which necessarily coexist in an eternal union . Doth he mean we are to disbelieve every thing of God whereof we have not a natural Notion ? Then to what purpose is a Divine Revelation ? Is this Notion of God pretended to be Natural ? 'T is enough , if such a Notion be most favoured by his own Revelation , who best understands his own Nature , and there be no evident natural Notion against it . He forgot that he had said , ( Defence , p. 5. ) If every thing which we have no positive Idea of must be allow'd to contradict Reason , we shall find contradictions enow ; adding , We must confess a great many things to be true , which we have no Idea of , &c. He adds , once more we have no notion of an eternal and necessary existence , but in an absolutely perfect and infinite nature , but if there be ( I here again leave out his three parts , because I design to consider if there be any thing of strength brought against what was supposed possible by the Enquirer , not against his fiction , which I trouble not my self any further with ) three spiritual Beings — neither of them can be absolutely perfect and infinite , ( I would rather have said none , or no one , than neither , since the discourse is of more than two . I thought the meaning of uter and neuter had been agreed long ago , ) tho' we could suppose their union to make such a perfect Being , because they are not the same , and ( neither ) no one of them is the whole , — &c. This is the only thing that ever came under my notice among the School-men , that hath any appearing strengh in it , against the Hypothesis which I have proposed as possible for ought I knew . They generally dispute against many sorts of Compositions in the Being of God , which I am not concern'd in . That of Matter and Form , which is alien from this affair , of quantitative parts , which is as alien . Of subject and accident , which touches us not . Of act and power , which doth it as little . Each subsistent , being eternally in utmost actuality . And by sundry sorts and methods of argument , whereof only this can seem to signify any thing against the present supposition . And it wholly resolves into the Notion of Infinity , about which I generally spoke my sense in that first Letter to Dr. Wallis . And as I there intimated how much easier it is to puzzle another upon that subject than to satisfy one self , so I here say , that I doubt not to give any man as much trouble about it in respect of quantitative extension , as he can me , in this . I think it demonstrable that one Infinite can never be from another by voluntary production , that it cannot by necessary Emanation , I think not so . In the mean time when we are told so plainly by the Divine Oracles , of a sacred three , that are each of them God , and of some one whereof some things are spoken that are not nor can be of the others . I think it easier to count three than to determine of Infiniteness : And accordingly to form ones Belief . But of this more when we come to compare him with himself . And for what he discourses of the aspect this supposition hath upon the Trinity , and the Homo-ousion . It all proceeds still upon his own fiction of parts , and upon the invidious straining of that similitude of the union of soul and body , as he himself doth tantum non confess ; except that he lessens it by saying most untruly that he ( the Enquirer ) doth expresly own the Consequence . Therefore if he do not own the Consequence , then the Defender confesses himself to have invidiously devised it ; and what is it ? That if all three by this composition are but one God , neither of them by himself is true and perfect God. The Divinity is like the English. But both his own . The Enquirer denies both antecedent ( which he knows ) and consequent too . Leave out by this composition , ( his own figment ) and his argument as much disproves any Trinity at all as it doth the present Hypothesis . But wherein doth the Enquirer own it ? because such a Similitude is used ( as 't is often in that discourse ) of the union between soul and body ( declared elsewhere to be unexpressibly defective ) that therefore the Father , Son , and Holy Ghost , are each of them by himself no more truly Lord or God , according to the Athanasian Creed , or otherwise than in as improper a sense , as the Body of a Man , excluding the Soul , is a Man , or an Humane Person . Or as if Deity were no more in one of the Persons , than humanity in a Carkass ! who that looks upon all this with equal Eyes , but will rather choose as doubtful a notion , than so apparently ill a Spirit ! Are similitudes ever wont to be alike throughout , to what they are brought to illustrate ? It might as well be said , because he mentions with Approbation such as illustrate the Doctrine of the Trinity by a Tree and its Branches , that , therefore , there we are to expect Leaves and Blossoms . Is it strange the Created Universe should not afford us an exact Representation of uncreated Being ? How could he but think of that ; To whom do ye liken me ? At least one would have thought he should not have forgot what he had so lately said himself . We must grant we have no perfect Example of any such union in nature . What Appetite in him is it , that now seeks what Nature doth not afford ? A very unnatural One , we may conclude . 'T were trifling to repeat what was said , and was so plain , before , that the union between Soul and Body was never brought to illustrate personal union but essential . The former is here imagin'd without pretence , there being no mention or occasion for the the mentioning of Persons in the place he alledges . But to make out his violent Consequence he foists in a supposition , that never came into any man's Imagination but a Socinians and his own . ( Which I say , contradistinguishing him to them , that the matter may ( as it ought ) appear the more strange . ) If God be a person , he can be but one . Is God the appropriate Name of a Person ? then indeed there will be but one person ; but who here says so but himself ? The name God is the name of the Essence , not the distinguishing name of a Person . But if three intelligent Natures be united in one Deity , each will be Persons , and each will be God , and all will be one God ; not by parts , other than conceptible , undivided , and inseperable , as the Soul and Body of a Man are not . Which sufficiently conserves the Christian Trinity from such furious and impotent Attaques as these . And the Homoousiotes is most entirely conserved too . For what are three spiritual natures no more the same , than ( as he grosly speaks ) the Soul and Body are ? no more than an intelligent mind , and a piece of Clay ? by what consequence is this said , from any thing in the Enquirers Hypothesis ? Whereas also he expresly insists , that the Father , as Fons Trinitatis , is first , the Son of the Father , the Holy Ghost from both . Is not the water in the streams , the same that was in the Fountain ? and are not the several Attributes expresly spoken of as common to these three ? Essential Power , Wisdom , Goodness , ( which are deny'd to be the precise notions of Father , Son , and Spirit ) said by more than a 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , as that may be understood to signify , meer presence , ( how intimate soever ) but by real , vital union , as much each one 's as any one 's ? and all other conceivable perfections besides ? Why were these words read with Eyes refusing their office , to let them into the Reader 's mind ? whence also how fabulous is the Talk of Powers begetting Wisdom , &c. against what is so plainly said of the order of Priority and Posteriority , &c. There had been some prudence seen in all this conduct , if the Defender could have taken effectual care , that every thing should have been blotted out of all the Copies of that Discourse , but what he would have thought fit to be permitted to the view of other Eyes than his own . For then , tho' in so gross praevarication he had not preserved his Innocency , he might have sav'd in some degree his Reputation . Yet also he should have taken some heed that Anger might not so have discoloured his Eye , as to make so injudicious a Choice what to confess and what to conceal . For had he not himself blab'd , that it was said , we are not under the precise notions of Power , Wisdom and Goodness , to conceive of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost . He might more plausibly have formed his odd Births , and father'd them where he doth . But wrath indulg'd will show its governing power . And all this fury and vengeance ( upon the Enquirer , and the Dean too ) he reckon'd was due , only because it was so presumptuously thought , that somewhat in his Hypothesis ( or which he defends ) might have been better , and that he ( probably ) sees it might , so much a greater thing ( in some ill fits ) is the gratifying a humour than the Christian Cause ! 2. But let us now see how all this turns upon himself . And how directly his ill-polisht ( not to say envenom'd ) darts , missing their designed Mark , strike into that very Breast which he undertakes to defend . Whereas there are two things , principally to be designed in a Discourse of this subject . viz. 1. The explaining the Unity of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost , so as that tho' they are some way three , they may yet be concluded to be in Godhead but one . 2. The evincing notwithstanding that unity , the possibility of their sufficient distinction , to admit the distinct predicates that are severally spoken of them in the Holy Scriptures . The Enquirer's discourse chiefly insists upon these two things . 1. That necessity of Existence is the most fundamental Attribute of Deity . And that therefore the Father , as the Fountain , being necessarily of himself : The Son , necessarily of the Father : The Holy Ghost , necessarily from them both , each cannot but be God , and the same , one God. ( In reference to the former purpose . ) 2. That absolute omnimodous simplicity , being never asserted , in Scripture , of the divine Being , nor capable of being , otherwise , demonstrated of it , and it being impossible , either from Scripture , or rational evidence , accurately to assign the limits thereof , and determine what simplicity belongs to that ever-blessed Being , and what not . If it be necessary to our apprehending how such distinct predicates and attributions may severally belong , to the Father , Son , and Holy Ghost , that we conceive three distinct essences necessarily coexisting , in an eternal , vital , inseperable union in the Divine Being . The thing may be in it self possible for ought we know . ( And this is propounded to serve the latter purpose ) The Defender of the Dean seems to think otherwise of these two things , viz. Of necessity of Existence , common to the sacred three , which will prove each of them to be God , and , belonging to them in the mentioned order , as Father , Son , and Spirit , will prove them , necessarily , to be one God. And of what is said of simplicity , which might admit their sufficient distinction ; of both these , I say , he seems to think otherwise by neglecting both , lest that Discourse should be thought any way pertinent , or useful to its end . And disputes vehemently against the latter , How strongly and successfully , he does it , in respect of the Truth of the Thing , we have seen . But whether weakly or strongly , that his disputation tends to wound the Dean's cause , all that it can , shall now be made appear . It is notorious the Dean hath asserted , so positively , three infinite Minds or Spirits , that the benign interpretation wherewith this Defender would salve the matter , ( A new Vocabulary being to be made for him on purpose , and the Reason of things quite alter'd ) will to any man of sense seem rather ludicrous , than sufficient , without express retractation . For which the Enquirer thinks he is upon somewhat better Terms , than he , if there were occasion for it , both by the Tenour of his whole Discourse , and by what he hath particularly said in the 28 Sect. But after the Interpretation offer'd , See whether such things are not said over and over in the Defence , as make the Defender ( and the Dean if he speak his sense ) most obnoxious to the whole argumentation in the Postscript . So as , if a part was acted , it was carried so untowardly , that it seem'd to be quite forgotten what part it was , and all the Blows ( for it was come now to offending instead of Defending ) fall directly upon him , whom the Actor had undertaken to defend . It hath been noted already , that the Defender says expresly , the Divide Nature is one individual nature , ( and so says the Enquirer ) — but not one single nature ; ( then it must be double and triple , not absolutely simple , as also the Enquirer says ) to which he ( viz. the Defender ) adds , one single nature can be but one person , whether in God or Man. Now let any man judge whether all his Reasonings are not most directly applicable against him , ( if they signify any thing ) which are contained in his Postscript , p. 106 , 107 , 108. &c. How furiously doth he exagitate that saying , When you praedicate Godhead , or the Name of God , of any one of them , ( viz. Father , Son , or Holy Ghost ) you herein express a true but inadequate conception of God , &c. insisting that the whole undivided Divine Nature ( no doubt it is everlastingly undivided wherever it is ) subsists entirely , in three distinct Persons : This the Enquirer never deny'd , tho' he charges it upon him , that he makes no one of the Persons to be true and perfect God. But how well doth that agree with what he had himself said , ( Defence , p. 26. ) Tho' God be the most absolute , compleat , independent Being , yet neither the Son , nor the Holy Ghost , can be said to be , an absolute , compleat , independent God. He falsly charges it upon the Enquirer that he makes the Persons severally not perfect God , and he denies two of them to be compleat God. To say not perfect , is criminal ( as indeed it is ) to say not compleat is innocent ! But his saying the Son and Holy Ghost are not compleat God ; How doth it consist with what is said , Postscr . p. 109. The same whole entire Divinity distinctly and inseparably subsists in the Person of the Son and of the Holy Ghost . What is wanting to make him compleat God , in whom the whole , entire Divinity subsists ? No wonder if he quarrel with all the World who so little agrees with him , whose Defence he undertakes , or with himself . In the mean time the Enquirer hath the less reason to complain , when he manifestly treats , himself as ill as him . I only add , that for his Discourse concerning [ the one Divinity , or one Divine Nature , subsisting wholly and entirely , three times , ( whereas I had thought the three Persons had subsisted at all times , and all at once ) Defence p. 26 , &c. And the Persons of the Son and Holy Spirit , not being emanations , p. 28. Not the Son , because he is the Father's Image : And an Image is not an emanation , but a reflection : ( But how should there be a reflected Image without an emanation ? ) Nor the Holy Ghost being 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , not in the sense of emanation , but of the mysterious Procession ] I shall make no guesses about it ( for it concerns not the Enquirer ) only I think it very secure against the formidable Objection which he mentions p. 35. of it's being too intelligible . Upon the whole matter I see not what service it can do him , to put intelligent person instead of mind . For I thought every Person had been intelligent . Boethius his definition which he alledges plainly implies so much , and one would think he must know that it is the usual notion of Person to understand by it suppositum rationale or intelligents . Therefore methinks he should not reckon it necessary to distinguish Persons ( as he doth by this addition of intelligent ) into such as are Persons and such as are no Persons . But since he expresly saies ( and I think for the most part truly ) that the three Persons or subsistences , in the ever blessed Trinity are three real , substantial subsistances , each of which hath entirely , all the Perfections of the Divine Nature , Divine Wisdom , Power , and Goodness ; and therefore each of them is eternal , Infinite mind , as distinct from each other as any other three Persons ; and this he believes , the Dean will no more recant , than he will renounce a Trinity ; for all the wit of man , can not find a medium , between a substantial Trinity , and a Trinity of names , or a Trinity of meer modes , Respects and Relations in the same single essence , which is no Trinity at all . As also he had said much to the same purpose before , that to talk of three subsistences in the abstract , without three that subsist , or of one single nature which hath three subsistences , when it 's impossible that in singularity there can be more than one subsistence , &c. I believe he will find no small difficulty to name what it is , that with the peculiar distinct manner of subsistence makes a person ; not the very same common nature , for the Persons can not be distinguished from each other by that which is common to them all . Therefore the Divine Nature which is common to the three , must according to him comprehend three single natures , and not be absolutely simple . Hither must be his resort at last , after all his earnest disputation against it . And these he will have to be parts , which because they are undivided , impartible , inseparable , everlastingly and necessarily united . I do reckon the Enquirer did with very sufficient reason , and with just decency ( and doth still continue very peremptorily to ) deny . And whereas he contends that the whole Divine nature is entirely in each subsistence , ( as he does again and again ) I think the term whole , improper , where there are no proper parts . And I doubt not , when he gives place to cooler thoughts , he will see cause to qualify that assertion . For if he strictly mean that every thing that belongs to the Godhead is in each Person ; I see not how he will fetch himself from the Socinian consequence , that then each Person must have a Trinity subsisting in it , and be Father , Son , and H. Ghost . For I doubt not he will acknowledge that the entire Divinity includes in it the Father , Son and Holy Ghost . And therefore he must be beholden to an inadequate notion in this very case , when all is done , how much soever he hath contended against it . I do however think it safe and free from any other difficulty , than we unavoidably have , in conceiving Infinites . To say that all perfection is in each subsistent ( which I like better than subsistence , as more expressive of the concrete ) as far as their natural , necessary , eternal order , towards one another , as the first is the fountain or radix , the second from that , and the third from both , can possibly admit . All must be originally in the Father , with whom , the other two have that intimate , vital , eternal union , that what is in him the other communicate therein , in as full perfection as is inconceivable , and more than it is possible for us , or for any finite mind to conceive . Therefore since that difference which only proceeds from that natural , eternal order , is conjecturable only , but is really unknown , unrevealed and inscrutable ; it is better , herein , to confess the imperfection of that knowledge which we have , than to boast that which we have not , or aspire to that which we cannot have . FINIS . These Books written by the Reverend Mr. John Howe , are sold by Tho. Parkhurst at the Bible and Three Crowns in Cheapside . 1. THE Blessedness of the Righteous : The Vanity of this Mortal Life . On Psal. 17. ver . 15. and Psalm 89.47 . 2. Of Thoughtfulness for the Morrow . With an Appendix concerning the immoderate Desire of fore-knowing things to come . 3. The Redeemer's Tears wept over lost Souls , in a Treatise on Luke 19.41 , 42. With an Appendix , wherein somewhat is occasionally discoursed concerning the Sin against the Holy Ghost , and how God is said to Will the Salvation of them that perish . 4. Of Charity in reference to other Mens Sins . 5. Self-dedication discoursed in the Anniversary Thansgiving of a Person of Honour for a great Deliverance . 6. A Sermon directing what we are to do after a strict Enquiry whether or no we truly love God. 7. A Funeral Sermon for that Faithful and Laborious Servant of Christ , Mr. Richard Fairclough , ( who deceased July 4. 1682. in the Sixty First year of his Age. ) 8. A Funeral Sermon for Mrs. Esther Sampson , the late Wife of Henry Sampson , Dr. of Physick , who died Nov. 24. 1689. 9. The Carnality of Religious Contention . In two Sermons Preach'd at the Merchant's Lecture in Broadstreet . Books lately Printed for Thomas Parkhurst . Spira's Despair revived . Being a Narration of the Horror and Despair of some late Sinners under the Apprehensions of Death and Judgment . Wherein are such Unquestionable Examples produc'd , and such Matters laid down and proved , as may stop the Mouths of the Atheistical Scoffers and Mockers . By Thomas James , Minister of the Gospel at Ashford in Kent . The Confirming Work of Religion , and its great things made plain by their primary Evidences and Demonstrations : Whereby the meanest in the Church may soon be made able to render a rational account of their Faith. The present Aspect of our Times , and of the Extraordinary Conjunction of things therein ; in a rational View and Prospect of the same , as it respects the publick hazard and safety of Brittain in this Day . These two last by Rob. Fleming , Author of the fulfilling of the Scriptures , and Minister at Rotterdam . England's Allarm : Being an account of Gods most considerable dispensations of Judgment and Mercy towards these Kingdoms , for fourteen years last past ; and also of the several sorts of Sins and Sinners therein : Especially the Murmurers against this Present Government . With an Earnest call to speedy Humiliation and Reformation , and Supplication , as the chief means of prospering their Majesties Councils and Preparations . Dedicated to the King and Queen . A Discourse concerning Old Age , tending to the Instruction , Caution and Comfort of Aged Persons . By Richard Steel , A. M. Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A48160-e130 Letter , p. 24 , 25. See his Letter , p. 1. Calm Discourse p. 34. Calm Discourse p. 89 , 90. p. 139. Calm Disc. Calm . Disc. p. 140. His Letter , p. 105. See Calm Disc. p. 122.123 p. 108.109 , 110. His Letter . p. 5. Calm Disc. 47. His Letter p. 110. Calm Disc. p. 48. Calm Disc. p. 140. Postscr . to his Letter p. 111. Calm Disc. p. 48. Calm Disc. p. 73 74. Defence p. 16. p. 18. Calm Disc. p. 50.51 . Postscrip . p. 108 , 109. Postscrip . p. 108. Defence p. 30.