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Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699. -- Mischief of separation -- Early works to 1800. 2004-10 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-10 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2004-11 Judith Siefring Sampled and proofread 2004-11 Judith Siefring Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-01 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion AN ANSVVER TO Dr. STILLINGFLEET'S Mischief of Separation , BEING A LETTER Written out of the COUNTREY TO A PERSON of QUALITY in the CITY . Who took Offence at the late SERMON of Dr. Stillingfleet , Dean of S. Pauls ; Before the LORD MAYOR . The Second Edition . LONDON , Printed by S. W. and sold by S. Tydmarsh , at the Sign of the Kings Head in Cornhill , near the Royal Exchange : 1680. A LETTER Written out of the COUNTREY TO A Person of Quality in the CITY , &c. I Perceive your Mind is disturb'd , which my Friendship with you can no more let me be unconcern'd for , than if I heard you were sick ; nor less to study your Relief . Such may be the Cause and Measure of your Passion , and such the disproportion between the One and the Other , as to need it a great deal more , though yet perhaps to deserve it less . For your sickness might be your infelicity only , but a perturbation that exceeds its Cause , cannot but be your fault . Which kind of Evil , though it be much greater , and therefore needs more application for the removing of it ; yet it can challenge less help from another , because you are your own Afflicter , and may , when you please cure your self , which no man else can do for you . But if another may contribute towards it , by laying before you apt Considerations which you are your self to apply , you know you are to expect it from no mans good will more than mine . If indeed you expect much from my Ability , that is another Fault , entirely your own , and whereto you could have no temptation . Thus much I shall freely profess to you that I have a great value of an equal temper and composure of mind , not apt to be unduly mov'd , or entertain any thing that occurs with indecent perturbation , or other resentment than is due and suitable to the occasion : And desire it more than either to be in the best external circumstances , or not to be in the worst . As I wish for my self , I wish for you ; and therefore am willing to place my endeavour accordingly , where it may be in a possibility of effecting somewhat to your advantage , and where it is most desirable it should . In the present case , the Fault I find with you is , that your resentment of the matter you complain of , is undue , and not proportionable to the occasion . And whereas you seem to labour under the Distemper and excess of a twofold Passion , of Fear , lest a just and good Cause ( as you and I do both account ) should suffer some great prejudice , by this opposition of Dr. Stillingfleet : And of Anger , that he from whom better things might have been expected , should attempt any thing in this kind . I shall hereupon endeavour to represent to you the causlesness both of your Fear , and ( in great part ) of your Anger . And first defend the Cause against Dr. Stillingfleet , and then add somewhat in defence of Dr. Stillingfleet against you . 1. As to the former we are I. To give the plain state of it , with the Doctors Judgment against us in it . II. To discuss the Matter with the Doctor , and shew ; 1. The Indefensibleness of that Judgment . 2. The Inefficacy of the Doctor 's Attempt to Defend it . I. It is first necessary that we have a true state of the cause it self before our Eyes ; which is plainly this , That as there are very great numbers of People , beyond what the Ministers of Parishes , in divers places , can possibly perform Ministerial Duty unto : So there are withal very many that cannot be satisfied in conscience , to intrust their Souls and their Spiritual Concernments to the Pastoral Care and Conduct of the Parochial Ministry only ; Though they generally have a very reverend esteem of divers who are of it : do , many of them , very frequently partake of some part of their Labours , and rejoyce in them as great Ornaments and real Blessings to the Christian Church . But these are very unproportionable in number to the Necessities of the People , and are by Legal restraints ty'd up one way , as they by conscientious , are another , in respect of some principal parts of Christian Worship ; without which they should be visibly in the condition of Pagans . There are also many persons who have been devoted to the Service of God and his Church in the Ministerial Function ; some of them in the way which now obtains , others in a way which this Reverend Author did not disapprove , who are not satisfied in Conscience about the Terms upon which they might have continued , or may be admitted Parochial Incumbents . So that here are numerous Flocks scattered without Pastors , here are many Pastors without Flocks . The People it is true , on whose behalf these Papers are more especially written , are in this destitute condition by their own scruples . Nor is it the present design to justify all those scruples . But they are , with many , of long continuance , and , for ought appears , unremoveable . If they should be defer'd , and bidden to use patience , while such further endeavours are used with them as this Sermon contains , yet death will have no Patience , nor be defer'd . So that there are multitudes passing into eternity out of a Christian Nation , having no benefit of Christian Ordinances ; no means of instruction in the Truth and Doctrines of the Christian Religion , in order to their Salvation . The course which is de facto taken in this distress for their relief is that which the reverend Author bends himself against in this Sermon . And there are two sorts of Persons concern'd in it . The People ; who , rather than return to the state of Paganism , implore the help of these unimploy'd Ministers , desiring them to perform the duty of Christian Ministers towards them . And the Ministers , who rather than they should cease to be Christians , or themselves alwaies cease from the Work of Ministers , comply with their desires ; and , as they can , allow them their desired help . This Author doth more directly and professedly speak to the case of the People ; To that of the Ministers , only by way of Oblique reflection . You and I , who ( among the former ) do often partake in the Worship and Ordinances of God , in the separate Assemblies ( though we are not so squeamish as to balk the Publick , nor so unjust and ungrateful , as not to thank God for the excellent advantages that are sometimes to be met with there ) are both concern'd , and led by the Doctors discourse , to consider what is said as to this case of ours . Which yet I would have us consider not so appropriately , as to exclude them our very compassionate consideration , that are more pincht and confin'd to narrower limits , by their own scruples , than we are ; and whose Number you cannot but apprehend to be so great , as to call for a very large compassion in considering their case . It is indeed a case of far-prospect , and which lookes down upon after-times . You know how easily it may be deduced all along from the beginning of the English Reformation , when some very eminent among our Reformers were not well satisfi'd with the Ceremonial part of the Constitution settled at that time ; How an unsatisfi'd party hath gradually increased from Age to Age among the Common People also . They are now grown very numerous . And unless some very over-powring impression upon mens minds , ( not reasonably to be expected according to common measures ) should alter the case , it is still likely to increase in succeeding Ages . You are not ignorant that no one thing is more commonly scrupled by this unsatisfi'd Party , than the addition of that federal Rite in the dedicating of their Children to God , the signing them with the sign of the Cross , which many ( how justly or unjustly I am not now to discusse ) esteem so sinful a practice , that , rather than admit it , they will choose not to offer their Children to Baptism . Nor is it in it self of less weight ( perhaps 't is of much greater ) that , in this solemn dedication , they have no opportunity of performing the Parental Duty , of Covenanting with God on behalf of their own Children , but that part ( with the exclusion of themselves ) is to be done by others , whom God hath not concern'd in the business ; and who , after the solemnity is over , are never like to concern themselves . And there are divers other scruples besides , in reference to this , and other parts of Worship that , with multitudes , are in no great probability to admit of cure . Now let us see what the Reverend Doctors judgement is upon this state of our case , who dissent from the establisht way , whether the People , or their Ministers , and that both concerning what they do , and what , by consequence from his judgment upon their case , they are to suffer . For the Practice of the People in this case ( at least the negative part of it ) he hath some Charity in his Censure , for in their declining to joyn in the Publick Assembles , he beleives them generally to practice according to their judgement as he professes P. 37. of his Sermon . For the Ministers , most of them , none at all , who as he saies in the same Place he believes go against theirs . His Words are , I dare say , if most of the Preachers at this day in the separate meetings were soberly asked their judgements , whether it were lawful for the People to joyn with us in the Publick Assemblies , they would not deny it ; and yet the People that frequent them , generally judge otherwise . For it is not to be supposed , that faction among them should so commonly prevail beyond interest . But his judgement concerning what both are to undergo is eventually ▪ and in the sequel , as he states their case , much more hard in respect of the People , who cannot releive themselves ; whereas the Ministers , according to the notion he hath of them , presently may . We are to attend chiefly to what he says in reference to the Lay-people , and shall consider , 1. How severe he is towards them ; and 2. How well consistent he is therein with himself . 1. His severity towards those of us in respect of what we practice , who put ourselves under the pastoral care of other than the Parochial Ministers is to be seen in what he proposes to himself to evince , P. 20. viz. That our proceeding to the forming of separate Congregations , i. e. under other Teachers , and by other Rules , than what the established Religion allows , is the present case of separation which he intends to consider , and to make the sinfulnefs and mischief of it appear . He doth you see in short , absolutely pronounce our practice in this case to be sinful and mischievous . Now it is hence also to be collected , how hard things he would have us suffer upon supposition of our only remaining unsatisfi'd to joyn ourselves into the Parochial Communion . He doth not indeed bespeak for us Gibbets , Whipping-posts , or Dungeons . Nor ( directly ) any thing grievous to our Flesh. But to such as consider themselves to have souls made for an everlasting state , the doom which his words imply , in the mentioned place , cannot be thought gentle . Which that you may apprehend the more distinctly ; observe that he hath nothing to say against our bare suspending Communion in some particular Rites which we modestly scruple , while we use it in what we judge lawful , p. 20. ( whereas p. 37. he supposing us generally to judge it unlawful to joyn in the Publick Assemblies ) to which purpose he also speaks in his late Dialogues p. 171. and 172. ( giving his Antagonist an account of what he had said in his Irenicum to the matter now in discourse ) viz. That some scrupulous and conscientious men , after all endeavours used to satisfy themselves , may remain unsatisfied as to the lawfulness of some imposed Rites , but dare not proceed to positive separation from the Church , but are willing to comply in all other things save in those Rites which they still scruple : and concerning these he puts the Question , whether such bare Non-conformity do involve such men in the Guilt of Schism . And this he confesses he resolved negatively ( approving or not disavowing that resolution . ) Thus far indeed he well agrees with himself ; and seems to have no Quarrel with us . But consider the fatal consequence . He well knows that if we suspend Communion in the Rite of the Cross ( upon our never so modest scruple ) we connot have our Children Ministerially dedicated to God in the Ordinance of Baptism , nor be so ourselves , if , being adult , we remain any of us unabptized ( as he may well apprehend many among us are ) nor if we decline the use of Sponsors as to what we conceive should be performed by Parents for their Children , and by adult persons for themselves . And that if we kneel not before the consecrated Elemens at the Lords Table , we are not to partake of his Holy Supper . Yea , and what if we scruple somewhat that is more than ritual , to sit under the Ministery of a noted drunkard , or open Enemy to godliness as our Teacher and Guide , when we might enjoy the fruitful labours of one that hath not his qualifications every Lords day ? No , by no means , whithout limitation , or the supposition of any possible case wherein it may be otherwise , a meeting never so little besides the established course , he will make appear is sinful and mischievous , and not tolerable upon any terms . What then would he have us do ? He directs us indeed afterward to the endeavour of satisfaction . But what shall we do if after our utmost endeavours our dissatisfaction remain ? What , while we are endeavouring ? which may be all our days in vain . What if we can never be satisfied concerning the established way of Baptism for ourselves and our Children , and of partaking the Body and Blood of our Lord and Saviour ? Nor to hear or give Countenance to such a ones pretending to Preach the glorious Gospel of the Blessed God , who either substantially perverts and depraves it , or whose profligate life proclaims him an opposer and enemy to the Holy Rules and defin of it ? Nor to commit our selves to the pastoral care and charge of a less exceptionable person , yea though otherwise never so deserving , that hath ty'd his own hands , and is under such restraints that he cannot , or so disinclin'd that he will not dispense the Ordinances of Christ in such a way , as wherein with satisfaction to our Consciences we may enioy them . Read over the Doctors Sermon again , and again , and you will find no course is prescribed us , but to sit still without any enjoyment of Christian Ordinances at all . And with how great numbers must this be the case ? for himself professes to believe , that the People that frequent the separate meetings ( who you know are not a few ) do generally judge it to be unlawful to joyn in the Publick Assemblies . And are we alwaies to sit still thus ? That is to exchange Visible Christianity for Visible ( at least negative ) Paganism ! This , if you take the whole compass of it , is a thing of awful importance , that so great a Limb of a Christian Nation , they and their posterity , should be Paganized from Age to Age , and cut off from the whole Body of the Christian Community , only because they scruple some things , the least exceptionable whereof are no part of the Christian Institution ( as himself , and they whose Advocate he is , will freely confess ) nor do necessarily belong to it , being ( as they contend ) but indifferent things . He seems rather contented we should not be Christians at all , than not to be Christians of this particular mode . That we should rather want the substance of Christs Gospel and Sacraments , than have them accompany'd with confessedly needless additions , and which we fear to be forbidden us by their Lord and ours . We do sincerely profess wherein we decline the Communion he invites us to , we only displease him , and those of his way and mind , out of a real fear of otherwise displeasing God. We agree with them in far greater things than we can differ in . We are of that One Body which they themselves profess to be of , so far as meer Christianity is the distinction , and collective bond of it , and desire to be under the conduct and Government of that One Spirit . We are called with them in that One Hope of our calling , and earnestly expect ( whatever hard thoughts they have of us ) to meet many a one of them in the participation of the blessed hoped end of that calling . We acknowledge that One Lord , that One Faith , that One Baptism , ( or Covenant which the Baptism of our Lords appointment seales ) and that One God and Father of all , who is above all , and through all , and in us all . Yet because we cannot , we dare not consent with them to the additions which belong not ( and which we fear are unduly a●fixt ) to the Religion of Christians , we are adjudged to be ( as much as in them is ) cut off from Christ , deprived of the dear pledges of his love , and acquisitions of his Blood , are driven out from the inheritance of the Lord , and it is in effect said to us go and serve other Gods. Thus far the severity of this reverend Author towards us extends . Which while we thus truely represent and recount , let us also . 2. Consider what agreement it holds with what we elsewhere observe from him . We have already taken notice , that for our bare non-conf●rmity he acquits us of the guilt of Schism . And p. 20. of this Sermon , he says , He doth not confound ba●e suspending Communion in some particular Rites , which persons do modestly scruple , and using it in what they judge to be lawful , with either total , or at least ordinary-forbearance of Communion in what they judge to be lawful ; and proceeding to the forming of separate Congregations , &c. 'T is this latter he severs and singles out for his opposition . Against our suspending Communion in some particular Rites ( which we judge unlawful ) if we use it in what we judge lawful , ( which I with him , presume the Lay-Dissenters in England generally do ; ) he hath nothing to say : Yea , and undertaking to shew what Error of Conscience doth excuse a man from sin , in following the Dictates of it ; he tells us p. 44. That if the Error be wholly involuntary , i. e. If it be caused by invincible ignorance , ( which he thus explains in the following words ) or after using the best means for due information of his Conscience ; though the act may be a fault in it self , yet it shall not be imputed to him for a sin , because it wanted the consent of the Mind , by which the Will is determined . And now , Sir , I beseech you consider , 1. When he confesses if we be willing to be satisfied , and our Errour be involuntary , it shall not be imputed to us for a sin ; Why are we to be so severely dealt with for what is not to be imputed to us for a sin ? If it were any , methinks it should not deserve such rigor at the hands of Men , that are themselves also liable to Mistakes and Errors . Is it so very criminal , if every poor illiterate Dissenter in England ( Man or Woman ) cannot in all their days attain to a better and more settled Judgment in such dubious matters , than this Reverend Person had himself arriv'd to twenty years ago ? Especially that never had , or were capable of having those peculiar helps and inducements , to temper and reform their judgments that he hath enjoy'd . 'T is a long time that his own judgment hath been ripening to that maturity , as , at length to think it fit and seasonable to say so much as he hath , for the reforming of ours , even in this Sermon . Methinks he should not be so very quick and hard towards us , upon so slender a cause ; as our scrupling some particular Rites to adjudge us , and ours to be totally deprived of Baptism , which themselves count necessary to our salvation , and of the other Ordinances of Christ , which they do not think unnecessary . And consider secondly , Whereas he says , That if a man erre after using the best means for due information of his Conscience , — it shall not be imputed to him as a sin . What if we erre this Error ( as he counts it ) after using the best means for due information ; [ that we ought rather than to return to the state of Paganism , to bear our part in the forming of such Meetings for the Worship of God , as wherein we may , with the satisfaction of our own Consciences , enjoy all his holy Ordinances . ] It will surely be within the compass of this his general Position , and not be imputable as a sin . Then it is to be hoped we should rather choose to do so , then Paganize our selves , or live in the wilful neglect of his Institutions : Which to do by our own choice , when we might do otherwise , we cannot but think a very great sin . If here the Doctor should assume to himself to tell us not only that we erre herein ( whereof we are to regard his proof , as it shall be considered by and by , more than his Affirmation : ) But also that our Error is wilful , we shall appeal from him to one that better knows , how willingly , how gladly we should receive information , and admit the belief , that we ought to content our selves entirely and only with such provisions as the established Religion , ( to use the Doctors phrase ) allows us , if the evidence of the thing it self did not seem irresistibly and unavoidably to perswade us otherwise . And for him to say so , were but to suppose men wilful , only for not being of his mind , who can as easily think him so , for not being of theirs . But this cannot be a Question between the Doctor and us ; whom , as we have taken notice above , he hath so far obliged , as to admit p. 37. That we generally judge as we practice , and that it is not to be supposed that faction among us should so commonly prevail beyond interest . But since this appears to be his determination concerning us , and that his Assertion seems positive and peremptory , p. 20. [ That in this our case , to proceed to the forming of Congregations under other Teachers , and by other Rules than what the establisht Religion allows , where a sinful and mischievous separation . ] We are in the next place , 2ly , To discuss the Matter with the Doctor ; wherein we shall endeavour to shew , 1. The indefensibleness of the Judgment the Doctor hath given in this case ; which will both infer ( and in some part excuse ) what we are afterwards to discover : Viz. 2ly , The Infirmity of what is alledged by him in this Attempt of his to defend it . 1. For the former , it being obvious to common observation , that a natural self-indulgence and aptness to decline and wave what is of more terrible import to themselves , doth usually insinuate and influence mens minds in their judging of such Cases : We are the more concern'd ( because a favourable false judgment will do us no good ) with an impartial strictness to hold our selves to the thing it self . And when we most strictly do so , methinks the Doctor should have somewhat an hard Province of it . For his Determination amounts to thus much , [ That we ought to be kept in a state of Damnation for scrupling the Ceremonies ] ( i. e. to be deprived of the necessary means of our salvation . ) And that , while he accounts our scruple ( after the use of due means for our information ) not imputable to us as a sin : And not that only , but that we ought to consent to our own damnation for this no sin of ours . Inasmuch as it would be sinful and mischievous to procure to our selves the necessary means of our salvation in another way , while we apprehend that , without our sin , we cannot have them in the way which he allows us . We are indeed satisfied , that our sin one way or other would contribute little to our salvation : But when also we are satisfied that we cannot enjoy the means of salvation in his way without sin ; and he tells us , we cannot without sin enjoy them in our own : We hope every Door is not shut up against us , and cannot think the merciful and holy God hath so stated our case , as to reduce us to a necessity of sinning to get out of a state of damnation . And therefore this Reverend Author having already determined that our Remedy cannot lie ( as our Consciences are hitherto inform'd ) in coming over to him and his way ; For he believes we generally judge it unlawful to joyn with them in the publick Assemblies , p. 37. and says , p. 43. That no man that hath any Conscience will speak against the power of it , and he that will speak against it , hath no reason to be regarded in what he says : ( as no question he expected to be , otherwise he had not given himself so much trouble ) and concludes , p. 44. That we should sin in going against it . As he also thinks we should in acting with it , which ( as is necessarily imply'd ) we as yet see not : Our great hope upon the whole matter is , that our relief must lye in taking the way which we do take ; And that it cannot be proved to be sinful . We reckon it is not , and that the Doctors judgment herein is simply indefensible , because whatsoever is sinful must transgress some Law immediately divine , or that obliges by vertue of the divine Law. And we cannot find that God hath made any Law , or enabled any made by others , to oblige us so far , in our present Circumstances , as that we should be involv'd in the guilt of sin , by some variation from the letter of it . For any Divine Law that can be supposed to oblige us to the use of the things we scruple , or else to live without the Worship and Ordinances of God , not knowing any such our selves , we must wait till we be inform'd of it . And that his Law doth give an obliging force so far to any other , we as yet understand not . Wheresoever he hath been pleased to lodge and entrust the Keys of the Church , we do not find he hath appointed them to that use , to admit us into the Communion of his Worship and Ordinances , or totally to exclude us , upon such terms . And herein we suppose we have the Doctor consenting with us . Who in his Irenicum , p. 216. plainly asserts , That the Office which the power of Keys implies is Ministerial , and not Authoritative ; Declarative , and not Juridical . And says in the Preface to the same Book , That He that came to take away the unsupportable Yoke of the Jewish Ceremonies , did never intend to gall the Disciples Necks with another instead of it . Whereto he immediately adds in the same Preface . And it would be strange the Church should require more than Christ himself did ; and make other conditions of her Communion , than our Saviour did of Discipleship . What possible reason can be assign'd or given why such things should not be sufficient for Communion with a Church , which are sufficient for eternal Salvation ? And certainly those things are sufficient for that , which are laid down by our Lord and Saviour in his Word What ground can there be why Christians should not stand upon the same terms now , which they did in the time of Christ and his Apostles ? Was not Religion sufficiently guarded and fenced in them ? Was there ever more true and Cordial reverence in the Worship of God ? What Charter hath Christ given the Church to bind men up to more than himself hath done , or to exclude those from her society , who may be admitted into Heaven ? Will Christ ever thank men at the great day for keeping such out from Communion with his Church ▪ whom he will Vouchsafe not only Crowns of Glory to , but it may be aureolae too , if there be any such things there ? The Grand Commission the Apostles were sent out with , was only to teach what Christ had Commanded them . Not the least Intimation of any power given them to impose or require any thing beyond what himself had spoken to them , or they were directed to by the Immediate guidance of the Spirit of God. It is not whether the things Commanded and required be lawful or no ? It is not whether indifferences may be determined or no ? It is not how far Christians are bound to submit to a restraint of their Christian liberty ? Which I now inquire after , ( of those things in the Treatise it self ) but whether they do consult for the Churches Peace and Unity who suspend it upon such things ? How far either the example of our Saviour or his Apostles doth warrant such rigorous impositions ? We never read the Apostles making Laws but of things supposed necessary . When the Counsel of Apostles met at Jerusalem for deciding a Case that disturbed the Churches Peace , we see they would lay no other burden 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 besides these necessary things . Act. 15. 29. It was not enough with them that the things would be necessary when they had required them , but they looked on an Antecedent necessity either absolute or for the present state , which was the only ground of their imposing those Commands upon the Gentile Christians . There were , after this , great diversities of practice and Varieties of Observations among Christians , but the Holy Ghost never thought those things fit to be made matters of Laws , to which all parties should conform ; all that the Apostles required as to these , was mutual forbearance and condescension towards each other in them . The Apostles valued not differences at all , and those things it is evident they accounted such , which whether men did them or not , was not of concernment to Salvation . And what reason is there why men should be so strictly tyed up to such things , which they may do or let alone , and yet be very good Christians still ? Without all controversie the main In-let of all the distractions confusions and divisions of the Christian World , hath been by adding other conditions of Church-communion than Christ hath done . Nor am I now inquiring whether the things Commanded be lawful or no ? Nor whether indifferences may be determined or no ? Nor how far Christians are bound to submit to a restraint of their Christian Liberty ? But only inquiring ( as he there doth ) concerning the Charter given by Christ for the binding men up to more than himself hath done ? And I further inquire , by what power they can be bound which Christ hath not given ? And if there be no such power to bind them , suppose the things required were all lawful ( which if it can be evinc't , I should rejoyce to see done ) yet while they cannot in conscience think they are , how can they apprehend themselves bound to be without the means of Salvation which Christ's Charter entitles them to ? I readily grant it is fit a man do many things for peace and Common Orders sake which , otherwise , no Law doth formally oblige him to i. e. supposing he can do those things without intolerable prejudice to himself . And so it is commonly determined in the matter of scandals . But can it be thought a man is to put himself out of the state or way of Salvation in complement to such as will otherwise take offence ? And be so Courteous as to Perish for ever , rather than they shall be displeased . Yea , and it may be moreover added , That our course being accounted lawful , must also ( as the Doctor speaks in another case ) be thought a duty : For the things that are as means necessary to our salvation , are also necessary by Divine Precept . We are commanded to hear Gods Word , to devote our selves and our Children to God in Baptism ; and , at the Lords own Table , to remember him , and shew forth his death till he come . And if we compare together certain Positions of this Reverend Author , we cannot see but he must , as our case is , acknowledge our obligation to the practice which he here seems to blame . For in his Iren. p. 109. He asserts , That every Christian is under an obligation to joyn in Church-society with others ; because it is his duty to profess himself a Christian , and to own his Religion publickly , and to partake of the Ordinances and Sacraments of the Gospel , which cannot be without society with some Church or other . And he after adds ( on the same page ) It had been a case disputed by some ( particularly by Grotius the supposed Author of a little Tract , An semper sit communicandum per symbola ? When he design'd the Syncretism with the Church of Rome ) whether in a time when Churches are divided , it be a Christians duty to communicate with any of those Parties which divide the Church , and not rather to suspend communion from all of them . A case not hard to be decided ; for either the person questioning it doth suppose the Churches divided to remain true Churches , but some to be more pure than other ; in which case , by vertue of his general obligation to Communion , he is bound io adhere to that Church which appears most to retain its Evangelical purity . To which purpose he further tells us , page 110. He knows not whether Chrysostom ' s act were to be commended , who after being made a Deacon in the Church of Antioch by Meletius , upon his death ; because Flavianus came in irregularly as Bishop of the Church , would neither communicate with him , nor with Paulinus another Bishop at that time in the City ; nor with the Meletians but for three years time withdrew himself from communion with any of them . And p. 113. Where any Church is guilty of Corruptions both in Doctrine and Practice , which it avoweth and professeth , and requireth the owning them as necessary conditions of communion with her , there a non-communion with that Church is necessary , and a total and positive separation is lawful and convenient . What he discourses page 111 , 112. upon the Question , Whether it is a sin to communicate with Churches true , as to Essentials , but supposed corrupt in the exercise of Discipline ? Many of us will no doubt heartily concur with him in . But it touches not the case of many more , who do not so much fear upon the account of the neglect of Discipline , to be involv'd in the guilt of other mens sin ; as ( there seems to be little cause , that part being not incumbent upon us : ) Nor , if that be his meaning , when he speaks of separating on a pretence of great purity , is it the case with most of us : but we justly fear ( and therefore avoid ) to be made to sin our selves , by having such things as we judge to be sinful imposed on us , as the Conditions of our Communion . And as to this case , this Reverend Author speaks our sense in this last cited Proposition , and pleads our present Cause . Nor need we more to be said on behalf of it than what is reducible to that general Proposition ; or particularly , to that second thing ( compared with the third ) which p. 115. he says makes separation and withdrawment of communion lawful and necessary ; viz. Corruption of practice , where we say as he doth , We speak not of practice , as relating to the civil conversation of men , but as it takes in the Agenda of Religion ; when unlawful things of that kind , are not only crept into a Church , but are the prescribed devotion of it : Those being required ( which he adds as an accession to the foregoing ) as necessary conditions of communion from all the Members of their Church , which makes our withdrawing from them unavoidably necessary , as long as we judge them to be such corruptions as indeed they are . And whereas he instances only in such things as belong to the Head of Idolatrous Customs , ( suppressing what might be instanced under the other Head , which he also there mentions ; viz. Superstitious practice ) yet we doubt not if other things also , that appear to be sinful , besides idolatrous Customs , be required as necessary conditions of communion , the case will be the same , unless we will distinguish sins , into such as be lawful , and such as be unlawful . Or there be any that may be committed , that we may be admitted to the communion of this or that Church . Now ( to reduce things to the method which sutes the present case ) if this reverend Author do still judge [ that where sinful conditions of Communion are imposed there Non-communion is necessary ( and those things be sinful to us which our Consciences judge to be so , as he hath acknowledged . ] ) And again if he still judge [ that we are under an Obligation to joyn in Church-society , so as to own our Religion publickly , and to partake of the Ordinances and Sacraments of the Gospel . ] He must certainly account that our duty which he taxes in this Sermon as our fault , at least till our Consciences be otherwise informed , whereof many of us have no great hope . We are indeed not so stupid , as not to apprehend there are Laws , the Letter whereof seems adverse to us Nor are we so ungrateful as not to acknowledge his Majesties clemency in not subjecting us to the utmost rigor of those Laws ; whom we cannot without deep regret , so much as seem not , in every thing , exactly to obey . Nor can it enter into our minds to imagine that he expects to be obeyed by us , at the expence of our Salvation . Or that it would be at all grateful to him that being , as we are , unsatisfied in some things that are by the Law made necessary to our partaking the priviledges of the Christian Church , we should become Pagans in duty to him . His Majesty was once pleased to give an ample Testimony by his never-to be-forgotten gracious declaration of March , 15. 1672. How remote any such thought was from his Royal Breast , and though we humbly submit to the exigency of those reasons of State from whence it proceeded , that we enjoy not the continued positive favour which his Majesty was then pleased to express towards us ; yet we have no reason to doubt , but his propensions are equally benigne as they were . Nor , though it be uncertain to us what Laws they are , the Authority whereof this reverend person relies upon to make our practice sinful , yet we hope he doth not mean to urge us herein with the Laws of the Civil Government , because those as much forbid our Non-Communion ( and under as severe penalty ) for which he acquits us from the Guilt of Shism ( or ▪ if we endeavour satisfaction ) from any sin imputable to us . But if that should be his meaning , we desire it may be considered how unreasonable it seems , that the design of the Law relating to that part of our practice which the Doctor in this Sermon condemns , being declaredly to prevent sedition ; they should take themselves to be meant who are conscious of no such design or disposition . And again , that it is not with any reason , Charity or Justice to be supposed , that when that , and other , restrictive Laws were made , either the Temporal ruine of so great a part of the Nation as are now found to be dissenters , was intended by the legislators , or the reducing them to the condition of Heathens . But an uniformity in the Worship of God being , in it self , a thing realy desireable ; this means was thought fit to be tryed in order to that end . And so are humane Laws , about such mutable matters , generally designed to be probationary ; the event and success being unforeknown . Whereupon , after a competent time of ▪ Trial , as his Majesty was graciously pleased to declare his own favourable sense and intention , so it is very commonly known that the like propensions were by Common suffrage expressed in Parliament , viz. To grant a relaxation . So that the Law , being in its own Nature , nothing else but an indication of the Legislators will , we may account the thing was in substance done , so far as may satisfie a mans private reason and conscience concerning the Law-givers intention , and pleasure ; though it were not done with that formality as uses ( and is generally needful ) to be stood upon , by them who are the Ministers of the Law. And that it was not done with that formality also , seemed rather to be from a disagreement about the manner , or method of doing it , than about the thing to be done . And how usual is it for Laws , without formal repeal , gently and gradually to expire , grow Old , and vanish away , not being longer useful , as the ritual part of the Mosaical Law did , being come an ineffectual and unprofitable thing ? And how easie were it to instance in many other Laws , the letter of which ▪ they that urge these against the Dissenters , do without scruple transgress ? and from which no such weighty reasons do urge to borrow now and then a point ? How many dispense with themselves in many parts of their required Conformity , that have obliged themselves to it ? The Priests in the Temple trangress the Law and are blameless . Yea , and he that knows all things , and who is judge of all knows how little scruple is made of transgr●ssing the Laws by gross immoralities and debaucheries . Men learn to judge of the sacredness of Laws by their own inclinations . Any that can be wire-drawn , and made by torture , to speak against Religion not modified their way must be most binding . Such as prohibit the vilest and most open wickedness , bind as the Wit hs did Sampson . The summe of all is , that whereas we are under the Obligation of the Divine Law to Worship God in the use of those his Ordinances which require to be dispensed and attended in society , and that we apprehend we cannot do it without sin in the way which this reverend Author invites us to , Whereas also we do , with this Author , deliberate whether Christ hath given any power to men to oblige us to the things we scruple , or disoblige us from the things we practice and judge it unproved . We cannot but reckon the judgment the Dr. hath given in our case [ that our practice is sinful ] is erroneous and indefensible by any Man , but least fitly , of most other men , attempted to be defended by himself . From whom it would little have been expected that he should so earnestly recommend that very thing to us as the only Foundation of Union , which he had so publickly told us in his Preface to the Irenicum was , without Controversie , the main in-let of all the distractions , confusions , and divisions of the Christian World , viz. the adding other conditions of Church-communion than Christ hath done . And though he hath lately told the World there are some passages in that book that shew only the inconsiderateness of Youth , and that he seems to wish unsaid , yet he hath not , that we know , declared that these are some of them . However since this present determination and judgement of his against us is so peremptory and positive as well as severe , let us in the next place , 2. Consider and carefully examine as we are concerned , what he hath performed in defence of it , and it is to be hoped the inefficacy and weakness of his attempt therein will sufficiently appear . What I can find in his Sermon hath any aspect or design that way is either ad rem or , ad hominem . And to my apprehension his reasonings , of the one kind or the other , are altogether unconcluding . 1. As to what may be supposed to be ad rem , if you look narrowly you will find , that the principal things alledged by him , that can , under that notion , give support to his Cause , are only affirmed , but not proved . For instance , p. 9. When he tells us , that the Apostle supposed the necessity of one fixed and certain Rule , &c. . This had been very material to his purpose ; if , 1. He had told us , and had proved , the Apostle meant some Rule or other super-added to the Sacred Scriptures : For then he might , it is to be presumed , as easily have let us know what that Rule was , which , most probably , would have ended all our controversie ; it being little to be doubted we should all , most readily , have agreed to obey it . Or , 2ly , If he had proved , that ▪ because the Apostle had power to make such a Rule , and oblige the Churches to observe it , that therefore such Church-Guides as they whose cause the Doctor pleads , have an equal power to make other Rules divers from his , containing many new things , which he never enjoyn'd , and to enforce them upon the Church , ( though manifestly tending to its destruction rather than edification . ) But these things he doth but suppose himself , without colour of proof . Again , for his Notion of Churches , p. 16 , 17 , 18 , 19. examine ; as strictly as you will , what he says about it ; And see whether it come to any thing more than only to represent a National Church a possible thing ? and whereto the name Church may , without absurdity , be given . His own words seem to aim no higher . Why may there not be one National Church from the consent in the same Articles of Religion , and the same order of Worship ? pag. 18. The word was used in the first Ages of the Christian Church , as it comprehended the Ecclesiastical Governours , and the people of whole Cities . And why many of these Cities being united together under one Civil Government , and the same Rules of Religion , should not be called one National Church , I cannot understand , p. 19. But can it now be infer'd thence , that therefore God hath actually constituted every Christian Kingdom or Nation such a Church ? Can it further be infer'd , that he hath invested the Guides of this Church , not chosen by the people ( according Scripture , and Primitive practice for some ages ) with a power to make Laws and Decrees , prescribing not only things necessary for common order and decency , but new federal Rites , and teaching Signs and Symbols , superadded to the whole Christian Institution ; with many more dubious and unnecessary things besides ? and to exclude sober and pious Christians , from the Priviledges that are proper to the Christian Church , as such , meerly for that out of conscience towards God , they dare not admit into their Worship those Additions to the Christian Religion ? To take order they shall have no Pastors , no Sacraments , no Assemblies for Worship ? and because they will not be so much more than Christians , that they shall not be Christians at all ? He that would go about to make these Inferences meerly from the forementioned ground , would gain to be laught at by all sober men , instead of a conclusion ? whatsoever better success he should have , who should undertake to prove the same things any other way . This Reverend Author was so wise as not to attempt either of these : But then in the mean time , what doth the meer possible notion of such a Church advantage his Cause ? Because it is possible there might have been such a Macedonian , or such a Lydian Church , is such a one therefore necessary ? and any other Constitution of a Christian Church impossible , or unlawful ? Or because the General meeting of the Magistrates of the whole City and People together in Pagan Athens was called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , therefore such must be the constitution of a Christian Church ? And therefore such a Church hath such powers from Christ as were above mentioned ? Here , howsoever we make our stand , and say that till the Doctor hath proved these two things . 1. That such a Church as he hath given us the notion of , as of a thing meerly possible , is actually a Divine Institution . And 2ly , That God hath given to the Ecclesiastical Governours in it never chosen by the Christian Community , or to any other Power , to super-add Institutions of the nature above mentioned , and to enforce them under the mentioned Penalties . All his reasonings that pretend to be ad rem , are to no purpose , and do nothing at all advantage his Cause . Yet there are some passages in this part of his Discourse , that though they signifie nothing to his main purpose , are yet very remarkable , and which 't is fit we should take some notice of . As when pag. 16. He tells us what he means by whole Churches ; viz. The Churches of such Nations , which , upon the decay of the Roman Empire , resumed their just power of Government to themselves , and upon their owning Christianity , incorporated into one Christian Society , under the same common tyes and rules of Order and Government . As if there could be no whole Churches in the world that had not been of the Roman Empire . Or as if those of the Roman Empire could not have been whole Churches without resumption of the Civil Government . Or ( as we suppose he means ) as if ( which he intimates ; p. 19. ) we needed this ( so dearly espoused notion as a ground ) to acquit us from the imputation of Schism , in our separating from the Church of Rome . Which certainly it were not for the advantage of the Protestant Cause to admit : For then all that remain within the Empire , were bound to continue in the Communion of the Roman Church . And in the other Kingdoms , where Princes have not resumed their just right of reforming Errors in Doctrine , and Corruptions in Worship ; all should be Schismaticks that should separate from the Church of Rome . Again , when p. 17. He would confute that great mistake , the making the notion of a Church barely to relate to Acts of Worship : ( A mistake whereof I never knew any man guilty ) He surely runs into as great an opposite mistake , in making the notion of a Church to be no more than of a society of men united together , for their Order and Government , according to the Rules of the Christian Religion . Now Faith and Worship are quite excluded the notion of a Church : And Order and Government , and the Rules of the Christian Religion , but as they refer to these , only included . Whence it will come to pass , that we can have no notion of one Catholick Church , from which yet he argues at the bottom of the same page . Nor , though I dislike the thing , do I understand the strength of the Doctors Argument , against making the notion of the Church barely to relate to Acts of Worship ; viz. That if this held true , the Church must be dissolved as soon as the Congregation is broken up . For will it not also follow as well , that if the notion of a Church relate only to Order and Government , every time any meeting for Affairs of Order and Government is broken up , the Church is dissolved ? And that an Assembly of the States in any Kingdom or Nation cannot break up , without a dissolution of the Government ? A Parliament ( at least ) not Adjourn or be Prorogued without being dissolved ? And whereas he adds , But if they retain the nature of a Church , when they do not meet together for worship , then there is some other Bond that unites them , and whatever that is , it Constitutes the Church . Is it not possible there may be such a Bond for Worship , as well as for Government ? an Obligation to meet at stated times for that purpose , when they are not met ? And then ( if this were all that were to be said to the contrary ) why might not that Bond as well serve to Constitute the Church ? But secondly , For his reasonings ad hominem , they need not detain us long ; he argues from the Judgment of the Assembly of Divines , and others . All which arguing must suppose , if it concern us , That we are bound to be of the same Judgment with the Ministers that are and have been so and so minded , which I for my part understand not . But I perceive here his intention is , having endeavoured to draw us off from our Ministers ; now to move another Stone , and try if he can draw them off from us . For the Assembly , I think it fit those that survive of them should be as much concluded by what they then determined , as this reverend Author by the Irenicum . But I know no reason that such as they never represented , nor who ever pretended to be of their Party , should be so concluded to the Worlds end . Nor do understand why even the same Party may not be as well supposed in a possibility to vary from it self in fourty years , as the same man from himself in less than twenty . If they did incline to deal too hardly with their Brethren , that will not justifie them who deal more hardly . 'T is hoped such as have been so inclin'd , have , being smitten , and suffered the rebukes of the Almighty , repented it , and are become wiser : And when some think themselves grown wiser by prosperity , others by adversity , there is less reason to suspect the latter . Yet also this reverend Author ought to have considered the great disparity of the Cases he would parallel . For when one sort of men are considering of having only such a frame of things settled , as are imposed by Christ himself , whether they judge rightly or no , that he hath imposed every part of that frame , yet while they think and judge that he hath , and consequently that nothing is to be abated of it ; 't were very unfitly argued , that therefore another sort professing to impose many things never imposed by Christ , should abate nothing of their unnecessary impositions . For such as the Doctor quotes besides of the Non-conformists , acknowledging the Parish Churches true Churches , and the lawfulness of holding , sometimes , Communion with some of them . It is not to be thought but among so many Parties as come all under one Common Notion of dissenters from the publick rule ( and whom that Rule did not find one , but made them so in that Common Notion ) there must be great diversity of Opinions , and proportionably differing practices in these matters . I heartily prefer the most moderate as I believe you do . But here this reverend Author takes occasion for so ignominious reflections upon our Preachers , as insincere , dishonest and unconscientious , as I doubt not in one 20 Years more his ingenuity will oblige him to repent more heartily , than ever it permitted him to do of his Irenicum . Because he can alledge a very few persons , that have spoken to this purpose , therefore first it must be represented to the World as their common judgement , next , they are charged with concealing this judgment ( why is this kept up as such a mighty secret in the breasts of their Teachers ? p. 37. ) and then it is endeavoured to make men think they practice against their own judgments in preaching to seperate Congregations . Surely you and I are concern'd , as we have occasion , to say what we truly can , for the just vindication of our Ministers . I doubt not but you believe and you have , for some , particular reason to be confident , it is for our sakes they expose themselves to the displeasure of such men as D. St. I must for my part say , 1. That I beleive it to be the judgement of very few that every Parish is , as such , a true Christian Church . I am sorry I have such a ground to fear it of one kind , viz. that some may not be so , as not having among them any tolerable understanding of the most confessedly fundamental Principles of Christian Religion . What say you to such where the Minister is grosly ignorant of the Principles of Religion , or habitually vicious , and of a prostigate life ? Do meer Orders make him a Minister who ( perhaps since he received them ) is become destitute of the most essential qualifications ? any more than the habit , a Monk ? or a Beard , a Philosopher ? Can a Mercury be made of every Log ? Not to insist that this reverend Author can scarce think they are , from a ground of another kind , because they assemble only for Worship and not for Government . 2. And surely a Church may be unfit to be Communicated with although it be a true Church ; ( Those words of the reverend and worthy Dean of Canterbury carry their own light with them to this purpose ) As a man may be truly and really a man , * though he have the plague upon him , and for that reason be fit to be avoided by all that wish well to themselves . 'T is true there are vastly different degrees of that unfitness . But I see not how they can apprehend there is the fitness which is simply necessary , who judge there are conditions of Communion imposed that are sinful . And I beleive this reverend Author will think it possible a true Church may impose some sinful conditions of her Communion , in which case he hath determined a Non-communion with her necessary and unavoidable . 3. For those that are of that judgement , the Parochial Assemblies ought to be Communicated with so far as is alledged was declared . As I know none of the dissenting Ministers , that thought they ought always , and only to be Communicated with , so I see not with what pretence it can be said they keep up their judgment herein , as a mighty secret . If it be so , how came this Author to have it revealed to him ? Is Printing it to the World keeping it secret ? Some have published it in that way as we see is known to the Doctor . Others by their frequent discourses , and their own practice . And to my observation divers of them have in their Sermons made it much their business to dispose the minds of their hearers to a truly Catholick , Christian Union , as I have been much pleased to take notice some of the Conforming Clergy do also . But if this be the Doctors quarrel with any of our Ministers ( who think such Communion Lawful ) that they do not constantly , in every Sermon inculcate the business of Communicating in the Ceremonial way , for my part I shall blame them as much as he , when once he hath made it very evident , that the Ceremonies are more profitable , and likely to do more good to the souls of men than repentance , the faith of the Gospel , the fear of God , a good life in this world , and eternal life in the other , which I confess are the more usual subjects , so far as I have had opportunity to observe , of their preaching . And let me add , that I can tell you of a secret which some might be apt to think ( as it is really , so ) is industriously and much more unrighteously kept up in one mans breast , that may be conscious of a great design in it . The Author of the Book intitled the Weapon Salve , or Irenicum , seems to have found it some inconveniency to him , to have been the Author of so good a Book , whereupon in a certain Soliloquy ( though he is pleased to represent it as a tripartite Dialogue ) he askes himself his own opinion of it , and gives himself this answer ; I will tell you freely ( as you know men use great liberty in talking with themselves , though prudence would direct that to be done in some cases , with great Caution , and not to talk inconvenient things too loud , lest they be too much overheard ) I beleive there are many things in it , which if D. St. were to write now , he would not have said , for there are some things which shew his Youth and want of due consideration , others in which he yielded too far , &c. Now here ( though I beleive he had begun to be inclin'd to throw away his Salve , and use only the Weapon for the Wounding of sound parts , not the cutting off the incurable , yet ) I conceive one may safely enough take it for granted , his intention was not to retract the whole Book . But whereas he tells us not what he doth , ( how would the Doctor take it if one should ask ) why is this kept up as such a mighty secret in his own breast ? Or say the tenderness of his mind might , 't is likely , out of meer shamefac'dness keeps him from declaring against what his own Conscience tells him is truth . However his retractation cannot make that which was true become false . The reason of things is sullen , and will not alter to serve mens conveniences . Perhaps indeed his judgment is really altered . If therefore he would acquit himself like an honest and conscientious man , let him tell the world plainly , which be the pernicious principles of that Book , that honest and consciencious men who have thought well of many things in it , ( and perhaps the same things which he now disapproves ) may not always be deceived by the shews of Reason that deceived himself , and by which he deceived them . The same justice that obliges not to lay a stumbling block in the way of the blind , doth also oblige him to remove it who hath laid it : Which is to be done not by professing another opinion , for we depend not on his authority , which he hath himself so much diminished ; but on the reasons he alledged , which if they were fallacious , let him shew wherein , and answer his own reasons . To say the truth , the gravity and seriousness wherewith that Book was written , appears to have so little of the youth in it , in comparison of the jocularity , and sportful humor of some of his latter Writings , when he hath been discussing the most weighty and important Cases of Conscience , that it seems as a Prodigy in Nature , and that he began his life at the wrong end ; that he was old in his youth , and reserved his puerility to his more grown age . But we hope there is a great residue behind , wherein he may have opportunity and inclinatioa to shew the World , that he did not repent the pious design of that Book : Or , at least with a repentance that ( can , as well as that ) ought to be repented of . 4. And whereas such of the dissenting Ministers , as have most openly declared for communicating at some times with some of the Parochial Churches , have also declared their judgment of the lawfulness and necessity of Preaching and Hearing , and doing other Religious Duties in other Congregations also . If now either the Doctor discern not the consistency of these things , or they discern not their inconsistency ; is there nothing to be said or thought but that they acquit not themselves like honest and conscientious men ? Must it be taken for a demonstration of a mans want of honesty and conscience , not be presently of the Doctors Opinion in every thing ? or not to see every consequence which he sees , or thinks he sees ? But let us consider the goodness of this Consequence , which it must be so great a piece of dishonesty not to discern . If it be the duty of some to communicate sometimes with some Parish-Churches ( for this is the most the Doctor could make of that Relators Concession , whom he cites p. 21 , 22. of his Sermon ) Therefore it is the duty of every one to communicate with any Parish-Church where his abode is , so constantly and entirely as never to have any communion with any otherwise constituted Congregation . This is the thing must be to his purpose infer'd ; yea and he would have it be from somewhat a lower premise . For he tells us , p. 37. That he dare say , if most of the Preachers at this day in the separate Meetings were soberly askt their judgments , whether it were lawful ( only ) for the people to joyn with us in the publick Assemblies , they would not deny it . He surely dare not say that their meaning was , that it was lawful constantly to joyn with them in all their Parochial Assemblies , unless he dare say , what he hath not , from any of them , the least ground to think . Now hereupon he collects , p. 38. that our Ministers cannot declare so much in a separate Congregation , but this truth must fly in their faces : Because he supposeth it repugnant to it , to preach at all in a separate Congregation ( and yet afterwards on the same page , he so well agrees with himself , as to bid them , if they would acquit themselves like honest and conscientious men , tell the people plainly that they look on our Churches as true Churches , and that they may lawfully communicate with us in Prayers and Sacraments : And where are they to tell them so , but in the separate Congregations ? singly and severally he knows it were impossible . Nor do I think he would reckon Honesty and Conscience obliging them to come and tell the people so in their Congregations . ) Now I am afraid there are but a very few honest and conscientious men in the World at this day , if none are to go for such ; but who can perceive the strength and reasonableness of the above-mentioned consequence . And that you may further see what reason our Ministers may have , notwithstanding all the alledged Concessions , to administer in the Worship of God in our Assemblies ; though it were never so much their common universal judgment , that they and we might sometimes communicate in some of the Parochial ; let us consider , That in the more populous and frequented places , as with you at London for instance , the Churches cannot receive , some not a tenth part , some not half of the people belonging to them , few can receive all . Methinks good men should not be offended that multitudes do in this distress relieve themselves by resorting to other places for necessary instruction . And though it be the inclinations of the people that divide them this way and that ( as it can be nothing else ) and though places for their resort be not every where most conveniently situate for their resort , where there is most need , ( which must be taken not always where it were most desirable , but where they can be had ) yet they that have a mind , had better go to places at a more inconvenient distance , than have no whither to go ; and it is better the necessities of many should be provided for in such an exigency , than of none . In the mean time , the Churches of worthy conforming Ministers , in such populous places are generally fill'd , as I have been inform'd , and have sometimes had occasion to observe . Do not necessities of a much lower nature oblige us to recede from stated humane rules ? It is well known there is a law against relieving such as beg out of their own Parishes . But if one find upon the road such a poor wretch ready to perish , am I not bound , notwithstanding , if I can , to releive him ? And who would think in such a case I transgrest the true intention of the Law ? Yea and Gods own Laws respecting Rituals , Common Order , and the external part of Religion , were by his own direction to yield to far less urgent necessities . To the plucking an Ass or Ox out of Ditch , how much more the souls of men ? Have we not read what David did when he was an hungred , and they that were with him , how he entred into the House of God , and did eat the shew-bread , which it was not lawful for him to eat , neither for them which were with him , but only for the Priests . How expresly is it alledged by our blessed Saviour , against those nice and punctilious Observers and Urgers of the latter of the Law , the Pharisees , I will have mercy and not sacrifice . And if he were willing to abate a sacrifice to himself , that there might be room for the exercise of mercy towards mens bodies , how monitory and reprehensive should that be to such merciless persons , as would have the very souls of men themselves be sacrifices to their stiff and unyielding humors ! Positive Laws cease to bind when , by accident , they thwart the Law of Nature . Which binds to nothing more deeply than the endeavour of saving ones own Soul , and ( within the bounds of his calling ) his Neighbours as his own . What if many of our Ministers think it lawful , and , at some times , a duty to joyn in some of the publick Assemblies ? It is not then their duty , when an inviting oportunity , and so urgent necessities lay before them greater duty . This reverend Author tells us , very pertinently to this purpose , when he was declaiming against us and our Ministers . p. 31. of his Sermon : It is a great fault among some who pretend to great niceness in some positive duties , that they have so little regard to comparative duties : For that which may be a duty in one case , when it comes to thwart a greater duty , may be none . This Doctrine we learn from our blessed Saviour in the case of the obligation of the Sabbath ; which he makes to yield to duties of mercy . And can we think that a Duty lying upon us , which , in our circumstances , makes a far greater Duty impractible ? We acknowledge Order and Unity very lovely and desirable things , but we think it of greater importance that the Ministers with whom such fault is found conduct men , though not in so accurate Order ( which they cannot help ) to Heaven , than let them go in the best Order , yea ( and as the case is ) without any at all , to hell . And what though the necessity of many of us arise from our own Scruples , and what though those scruples were without ground , doth it therefore follow we must be abandoned to perish ? When our very Error if we be willing to admit conviction ( as we sincerely are could the matter admit it ) is not imputable to us for a sin ? This Author was once pleased to make it one of his proposals for accommodation , p. 64. of his Irenicum ; That no sanctions be made , nor mulcts or penalties be inflicted on such , who only dissent from the use of some things , whose lawfulness they at present scruple , till sufficient time and means be used for their information of the nature and indifferency of the things , that it may be seen whether it be out of wilful contempt , and obstinacy of Spirit , or only weakness of conscience , and dissatisfaction concerning the things themselves , that they disobey . And if it be made evident to be out of contempt , that only such penalties be inflicted as answer to the nature of the offence . Where he adds , I am sure it is contrary to the Primitive practice , and the moderation then used , to suspend and deprive men of their Ministerial function for not conforming in habits , gestures , or the like . Which he makes good by following instances beyond his own present contradiction . It is strange that for such like things , now , it is thought so highly just , that our Ministers are totally to be kept out of the Ministery , and we out of the Church , and the way of Salvation ! are these unproportionable penalties even where contempt appears ? and what are they when , through Gods mercy , there appears not the least colour of it ? Is meer scrupling an humane device in the worship of God , and an inability to see with other mens eyes , and to mould and form our judgements and consciences , as some other men can do theirs , a crime so inexpiable , that nothing less than our eternal ruine can satisfy for it ? They know , who have read the Turkish History , that meer scruple brought that necessity upon the Garrison of Sfetigrade in Scanderbegs daies , that , rather than drink of water which they thought polluted , they must either surrender , or perish . If another possible way could have been found to supply them , was it fit they and the Town should rather be lost , than their unreasonable scruple be born with ? Or should they , in that exigency , be still held to it , to drink of that very water or none ? We think we have greater reason to urge for our scruples , we think our necessity is greater , the case more important , And God deliver us from such Pastors , as will not think so too , and value souls at an higher Rate . Our case being thus , we apply ourselves to Ministers , bound by their calling and Office to attend the Affairs of the souls of men , they are at leasure , have nothing else to do , they may not live idle and useless in the World. This is their proper business ; Whatever their Opinion is about the things we scruple ( and we believe it is mostly the same with ours ) we see not how they can , or dare , deny us the help of their Ministerial labours , we thank God that they dare not . And should they daily spend their pains upon us to urge us to the Ceremonial way , as we beleive they would do it very heartlesly ( wishing things to be in that respect , otherwise in the Christian Church , as well as we ) so would their labour in that kind be unprofitable , and therefore ungrateful to us . Nor do we think it needs any sort of mortifiedness in them ( as we find they are jeer'd under that Notion ) not to send us away unedifi'd and grieved from their Congregations ; so much as a mortifiedness in their love of souls , and their sense of eternal concernments ; Wherein too many others , have attained to a great degree of mortification . But now ( my Honored Friend ) what think you of our cause ? Let us seriously consider it , not according to the appearance which it will have to a Captious Sophistical Wit ; But as you will apprehend it to look in the eyes of our supream and final Judge ; considering also the same Blessed Jesus , as that mighty Redeemer and Lover of Souls , who once suffered the just for the unjust to bring them to God. Bring the matter before him , with whom you are to expect no tricks , but most plain and equal dealing . And bethink your self , whether of these two things he will be more likely to have regard unto , The saving of Souls , which he bought with his blood ; or , The preserving inviolate certain humane institutions and rules , confessed by the devisers of them not to be necessary to the being of the Church which common reason sees unnecessary to its well being , to its external order and decency ( evidently as great without them ) which this Author makes foreign thereto , when he tells us , that matters of order and decency are allowable and fitting , but Ceremonies properly taken for actions significative , and therefore appointed because significative their lawfulness may with better ground be scrupled , Iren. p. 68. And which experience shews to be destructive . As whereby so great numbers , not only of his labourers are to be discarded , but of living , flourishing plants to be torn up by the roots , and all thrown out of his vineyard together ? For my own part I must profess not to have the least doubt concerning the thing it self which we and our Ministers do , and practice , it is only our common great concern , to be very careful with what temper of Spirit , and with what design we do it . It should to the uttermost be endeavoured to be done with all meekness and humility , with all possible reverence to Authority , abhorrence of the least real contempt , and unfeigned regret there should be any appearance of it , though never so unavoidable ; With a design only to glorifie God , and promote the common salvation ; Not to make or serve a party , or advance any other interest than that of meer substantial Christianity and Godliness . Let us covet this temper of mind , and where we see persons of real worth , and of a true latitude and largeness of Spirit , commensurate to the Christian interest , that fall in with the publick constitution , value and love them nothing the less , than if their judgments about these lesser things were never so exactly squared with our own , and so much more , by how much they may excell us in far greater and more valuable things . And if it be our lot to suffer under the notion of evil doers for doing what we take to be our duty , let it be according to the Doctors wholesome Counsel with an unrepining patience , and with much thankfulness both to God and our Rulers that we have enjoy'd so much tranquillity ; and with that cheerfulness that becomes those that expect a blessed eternity ; and to be translated ere long into a pure and peaceful region , where we are to serve God , in society even with many of them who have been offended with us , without scruple or trouble to ourselves or them . If with such dispositions and aims we persist in our course , while our case is attended with such circumstances as now it is ; I have no fear , I sincerely profess to you , of our acceptance with God , and , sooner or later , with all good men . Upon the whole matter , I conceive the honest Cause you were so deeply concerned for , is really unharm'd , and I hope you apprehend it too ; and that therefore your fear and despondency was causless , as if it could not out-live this attempt against it by Doctor St. As you therefore see how capable it is of defence against him , I shall not forget the other part of my undertaking : but shall Secondly , Say somewhat ( as yours sufficiently lets me see there is Cause ) in his just defence against you . And really Sir , though that be an untoward thing to dispute against , I find it needful to defend him only against your anger , i. e. the excess of it : Which although it can no more harm him , than he hath done the Cause ; and consequently the blunting and breaking its edge ( which is the thing I aim at ) cannot advantage him , yet it will do him right ; and ( which was the thing I first intended ▪ 't will be an advantage and kindness to you . I must here indeed tell you , that I cannot blame you for being in some measure offended , as I can excuse the Doctor but in part . I do dislike as well as you two things especially in his way of managing this business ; viz. His too great acrimony , and too little seriousness . For the former it is too evident , and I heartily pity him for it , that he should so forget , and suffer himself to be transported beyond the rules of Christianity and Prudence ; neither of which would allow him , ( and I am sure within the compass of the former , his Text would not ) so to make himself a Standard to all other men , as to suppose no man can be honest or conscientious that is not of his mind in the matters he then undertook to controvert , or that should not judge of the connections of things as he did : I cannot think it hath added to his Reputation to reflect so grosly before such an Assembly , upon a whole Party of Men that are , many of them , well known in the World ; and who , in point of Integrity , are so little liable to be suspected , that an attempt to blemish them upon so slight a pretence , and in matter of fact , so untrue , could not but recoil upon himself ; especially with them that shall impartially compare their Inducements to prevaricate with what he hath . And for the other , it were indeed to have been wisht , that upon so grave and solemn an Occasion he had forborn Jests , especially of that nature ; as for instance , such mortifi'd and conscientious men , and the most godly — can least endure to be told of their faults , &c. Which expressions any one that considers his scope , will understand to be Ironical ; and that considers the matter , to be somewhat bold Ironies ; and the occasion , to be causless ones . Inasmuch as it is not impossible , that truly mortified and conseientious men may desire opportunities to do God Service in the World , in a way that he dislikes . And it may consist with real Godliness , not to count all those things Faults , which he takes to be such . And indeed in his Dedication , his way of averting the report of those ill men , that he intended to stir up the Magistrates and Judges to a Persecution of the Dissenters , is , to any considering man , sportful and ludicrous , viz. Offering them only such a way of escaping Persecution , as whereupon a man may shun suffering , if he please , from any party of men in the world , as such , by being in every thing of their mind and way : But which in effect grants the Charge which he would avoid , that if we will not be so united to his Party , we were to expect nothing but utmost rigor . One would rather have thought he should have bedew'd that Discourse with Tears , which had in it self , most manifestly so awful and tremendous a Design : As not only the devoting of so great Numbers , that might possibly not be convinced , and perswaded by him , to a temporal ruine ; but the depriving them of the ordinary means of their salvation . And that , if he thought it necessary for the preserving of Order in the Church , they should be so dealt with ; he should have spoken of their Case with greatest compassion and tenderness , not with derision and contempt . Yet I would have you use lenitives with yourself , and calm your own spirit ; and I wish you were capable of contributing any thing to the moderating and pacifying his too . That though he have been angry unprovok'd , and with a sort of men , that have ever respected and honoured him as if he had been of themselves ; his anger that hath been without cause ( as you know perhaps who in a like expression blames the exorbitancy of another passion ) may not also be without end , At least I pray you take heed you do not deserve the like sharp repartee , which the Cynick met with from that noble Philosopher , that he taxed his pride with greater pride ; that you exceed not the heats whereof you complain . If he will still retain his fervour , let him be angry alone . And his displeasure have its continuance , with as little influence or concomitancy of yours ( and I could wish of any other mans ) as ( for ought I know , ) it had its beginning . And that since he thinks of being a Sacrifice , he may only burn gently in his own flame , which he may moderate as he please , and I hope will seasonably extinguish , before he have suffered much harm by it . For the qualifying of your own too great resentment and Offence ; I would have you consider how great reason you have to believe , that this blow came only from the ( somewhat misgovern'd ) hand of a pious and good man. Be it far from you to imagine otherwise . If you think he was to blame for intimating suspicions of their sincerity whom he opposes , make not yourself equally blameable , by admitting , hereupon , any , concerning his . Which would argue a mean narrow spirit , and a most unwarrantable fondness of a party , as if all true Religion and Godliness were bound up in it . And if it look unlovely in your eyes to see one of much avowed latitude and enlargedness of mind , and capable upon that account of being the more universally serviceable to the Christian Chuch , forsaking that comprehensive interest , so far as to be ingulft into a party upon a private and distinct basis , consider what aspect the same thing would have in yourself . And never make his difference with you in this matter , a reason to yourself of an hard judgment concerning him ; who can , you must consider , differ no more from us , than we do from him . Beleive him , in the substance of what he said , to speak-according to his present judgment . Think how gradually and insensibly mens judgments alter , and are formed by their converse . That his circumstances have made it necessary to him to converse most for a long time , with those who are fully of that mind which he here discovers , that his own real worth must have drawn into his acquaintance the best and most valuable of them , and such for whom he might not only have a kindness , but a reverence ; and who , therefore , must have the more power and influence upon him , to conform his sentiments to their own . We ourselves do not know , had we been , by our circumstances , led to associate and converse mostly with men of another judgment , what our own would have been . And they that are wont to discover most confidence of themselves , do usually but discover most ignorance of the nature of man ; and how little they consider the power of external objects and inducements to draw mens minds this way or that . Nor indeed , as to matters of this nature , can any man be confident that the Grace of God shall certainly incline him to be of this , or another opinion or practice in these matters ; because we find those that we have reason to believe have great assistances of divine grace are divided about them , and go not all one way . We may indeed be confident that had the same considerations occur'd to us which have , we should have been of the same mind and judgment that we are . But it is very supposable that some accidental occasions might possibly have happened , that might hinder our actual taking up such considerations , though the things to be considered were not unknown to us . And not that only , but that might prevent our knowing , even matters of Fact , that have signify'd not a little to the determining our judgments that way which they now incline to . And I do particularly believe ( as I doubt not but God is graciously present with those that in the sincerity of their hearts have chosen to serve him in the way which the Law prescribes so ) that if Doctor St. had known what Proofs there are of that same gracious presence , in these so much censured Meetings , his thoughts would have been very different of them from what they are . I do not speak of proselyting men to a Party , which I heartily despise as a mean and inconsiderable thing : But have known some , and heard of many Instances of very ignorant and profane persons , that have been led , perhaps by their own curiosity , or it may be , by the perswasion of some Neighbour or Friend , to hear and see what was done in such Meetings , that have ( through Gods blessing , upon so despised means ) become very much reformed men , and ( for ought that could be judged ) serious and sincere Christians . And whereas some , that have very prejudicial thoughts of all that frequent such Meetings , may be apt to suspect all effects of that kind , to be nothing else but illusions of fancy , or a disposition ( at least ) to Enthusiasm , or an artificial and industrious hypocrisie ; I am very confident that if the Doctor had had the opportunity , frequently to observe and converse with such , as we have had , and heard the sobriety and consistency of their discourse , and seen the unaffected simplicity , humility , and heavenliness of their conversation , he could not have allow'd himself the liberty of such hard censures , but would have judged of many such persons as you and I do . Upon supposition of all which , I make little question but it would have been very remote from him to wish that so many persons had rather lived in sin , and perished forever ; than have been brought to repentance and a good life , by being now and then at a separate Meeting . So that for the substance of what he hath said against such Meetings , we have reason to impute it to his judgment ; and his judgment to such circumstances , very much , as I have mentioned , that have led him the way he hath taken ; and not given him opportunity to know what might have begot a better opinion in him of the way which he opposes . But for the manner of his treating of this subject , That I impute to the prevalency of some present temptation ; and hope he did not express in that Sermon his habitual temper . And am highly confident , notwithstanding what he hath said in it ; if it were in his power , we might even safely trust him to prescribe us terms , and should receive no hard ones from him . Somewhat it is likely he was expected ( and might be urged ) to say to this business . And his own thoughts , being set a work , fermented into an intemperate heat , which it is to be hoped , will in time evaporate . If I may freely speak to you my own thoughts , he seems to deal in this business as one that forced himself to say somewhat . For though I apprehend he speaks his judgment , yet the expressing it in this time and manner he might regret . And because it might appear a becoming thing to him to seem earnest ; The temptation prevailed with him ( against his habitual inclination ) to supply with sharpness , the defect of reason ; which the poverty of the Cause afforded not . For realy his reasonings are faint , unconcluding , and unlike Doctor Stillingfleet . So that if any expected this performance from him , one may think ( and this ought in some part to excuse him ) that , besides some little flourishes of his reading and wit , he seems only to have lent them his name . Which however I pray you let still be of great value with you . And turn your displeasure into serious earnest praying for him , that his spirit may not be further harm'd ; that , amidst his many temptations , he may be delivered and preserved from being at all puft up or any way imbittered , and that so valuable a person be not lost , or in the least degree , rendred less useful to the Church of God. And that all that know his more inward conversation may discern in his frequent favoury discourses , in his continued serious calling upon God in his family , in his readiness to do good , especially to the souls of men , in his aptness to condescend to those that are much beneath him , how great the Efficacy is , of divine Grace . And that , through the power of it , a great measure of Wit , learning , applause , and secular advantages , may not only consist with vivid godliness , and sincere devotedness to the Interest of Religion , but contribute abundantly to the service and diffusion thereof in the World. I am very serious in this advice to you . Nor , thanks be to God , have so low or profane thoughts of prayer ( which hath ever born so great a part in the Religion of all times , nations , and sorts of men ) as to think it will signifie nothing . Especially when the design of it is not mean and private , but such wherein all good men will Unite . I little doubt but if ever there shall be good days , and an happy state of things on Earth , a factious Zeal for Parties will become a contemptible thing : And all the discriminative Accretions to Religion , which are severally scandalous to all other Parties except their own , who embrace any sort of them ( too probably for the sake of some secular interest or other which is hoped to be gratified and engaged thereby ) will be spontaneously quitted and abandoned by all Parties from an over-powring sense and grateful relish of substantial Religion it self ; i. e. Entire devotedness to God and the Redeemer , with the joyful expectation of the blessedness of the other World : And so all become one . But is this to be done while we sleep and do nothing ? Or have we in our Circumstances , any thing to do , by which we may hope to contribute so much towards it as by Prayer ? By this means ( if men of sincere and pious Minds , did with universal and abstracted Aims , apply themselves to this great Duty ) we are to reckon the blessed Spirit of Holiness , love , and peace , would be more and more drawn into consent . Do you your own part herein , you will find your own present advantage by it : It will fill you with good thoughts , hopes , and expectations . The kindly benign influences whereof , will pleasantly qualifie and temper your Spirit ; and make you know how much more grateful an Inhabitant that Charity is , which thinketh no evil , beareth all things , believeth all things , hopeth all things , endureth all things , than frowardness , discontent , vexation , and anger , at any one that thinks and speaks otherwise , than you did expect or wish . Insist upon such things in Prayer , as wherein it may reasonably be expected good men shall generally agree with you . You have the more reason to expect being heard ; yea , and ought to hope the Spirit of this Person , whom you have taken such offence at , will be rescued out of temptation , and be drawn into full consent with you . For you have no cause to doubt , but that he hath those Principles wrought into the temper of his Mind , which need only resuscitation , that they may dispose him to union with the whole body of sober and serious Christians of his own way , or of others , ( whensoever that can be seasonably endeavoured for ) upon more probable and hopeful terms than he hath proposed in this Sermon . Therefore be you serious and fervent in Requests to this purpose , as you have that love to God and his Church , which you profess ; and that value for this worthy Person which I reckon you still ought to have : or ( if that can be fit to be added ) any kindness for ▪ Sir , Your affectionate Servant , &c. SInce my writing these Pages , I hear of Answers to the Dean's Sermon ; which , in so remote a Corner , I have had no opportunity to see : What is here written may therefore ( upon comparing ) be communicated , or suppressed , as shall be thought fit . And so I should take leave of you , but that it may be needful , whereas I have principally considered in these Papers , the case of such as think it unlawful to joyn in the publick Assemblies ; to add somewhat ( whomsoever it may serve ) in reference to their case that think otherwise . For to say the truth , this is here the more common case : And though the Doctor believes they that frequent the separate Meetings , do generally judge it unlawful to joyn in the Publick ; Howsoever it is with you , ( and it is likely the Doctor speaks of what is more within the compass of his own knowledge , or theirs who inform him : ) It is with us in this part of this Country quite contrary . And I may truly say , that in this place ( and others where I have sometimes occasionally been ) the generality of them who come to the other Meetings do also attend the Publick . Now these may perhaps think themselves left under blame . and may apprehend the Doctors Consequence is strong against them , [ that if occasional Communion be lawful , constant Communion must be a Duty : ] Which he no doubt , understands exclusively of any distinct way of Communion . And if indeed they judge that Consequence strong , I would fain know what hurt they can think it doth them ? Why should any man be afraid of his duty ? or of the truth which makes it known ? And , if hereupon , they can , with the satisfaction of their own Consciences , wave ▪ all other opportunities of worshipping God with others of his People , they have the less to do : And why should they complain who are satisfy'd ? But in short , either they apprehend such other additional means , a real necessary help and advantage to them , or they do not . If they do not , they have no cause to trouble themselves , nor to grudge that so much is said for others ; Whose , for ought I know , may , as the Doctor thinks , ( for I cannot make an estimate from this or that little spot ) be the much more common case . If they do , they have little reason to be concern'd about the Doctors Consequence : Which I much wonder if he himself can think strong . It hath not , you see , been altogether overlook't in the foregoing Discourse : And if any feel themselves wounded by it ; He is so great an Achilles , that they may have their Wound and Healing from the same Hand . For , as hath been noted from him in his Preface to the Irenicum , he seems plainly to intimate , that men have no Charter , or Grant of Divine Power , to make other Conditions of Church-Communion than Christ hath made ▪ If so , then the Conditions by which this way of Communion is distinguished from the other , ( supposing they be lawful ) are still , in themselves , matter of liberty , not of duty : And so 't is left to the prudence of a Christian to determine him ( as in all like cases ) this way or that ; as will make most for the common good , consistently with that of his own Soul. That is Sin or Duty , which in this or that case , will do more hurt or good . There being no particular rule to guide a mans practice , he must have recourse to that general one : By which it may be my duty , upon some great reason , to do that , at one time ; which for as great reason , I ought not to do in a continued course . And it is highly commendable , when a Christian understands the latitude which the Law of Christ hath left him ; Is , in his own Spirit , exempt from servile restraints , by other imagined bonds : And can with a generous liberty ( pure from base self-respects ) turn himself this way or that , as shall make most for the service of the ends he lives for . And when any accordingly use that liberty , 't is a fancy of none but half-witted persons , to think they must therefore addict themselves to this or that Party . If a mans case come to be so stated , that he hath reason to apprehend it will do more good than hurt to others , that he own a sort of Christians , who have particularly modified themselves , otherwise than they needed , by any divine injunction ( or by any that God hath empowr'd men to put them under ) by communicating with them under the common notion of Christians , only , not as so modified : He doth but express the genuine complexion of a truly Christian Spirit . But he is not to do so in a continued course , if he find it will be a real damage to his own soul , in comparison of another way that he finds more edifying . Perhaps if he will be religious only , after the mode of this or that party , his Fare may be either too fine or too course for his constant diet . I may , besides my own inclination , drink a single glass of Wine out of Civility to one person , or of Water , to another , when I am not , for any mans pleasure , to destroy my health by tying my self to drink nothing else . And whatever Christian condescendingness , and goodness of temper may prompt a man to , who makes not what others do , but what they ought to do his rule and measure : They have least reason to expect much compliance from others , who bind themselves up within their own party , are enwrapt as Leviathan in his Scales , call themselves the Church ( as many say here is Christ , and there is Christ ) and call all men Separatists that will not be of their Church . And perhaps they assume , and appropriate the name with no more pretence or colour , and with no better sense , than if an humorsom company of men , should distinguish themselves from others , by wearing a blue or a yellow girdle , and call themselves mankind ! Do not too many in our daies distinguish their Church and Christian Communion , by things no more belonging to a Church , or to Christianity , than a girdle of this or that colour to humane Nature ? And which no more qualify for Christian Society , than that doth for human ? If however , an ingenuous , free spirited man , out of respect to his present company , or for any other valuable reason , should in such a case put on a blue girdle , I shall find no fault with him . But if any should go about to pinch him too close with it , so as would be inconvenient to his ease and health , or oblige him to protest against the true humanity of all that neglect it , I doubt not he would throw it away with scorn . Much less would he be a consederate with them that use it , if they professedly combine for the destruction of the rest of mankind that use it not , when many of them that refuse it apprehend it a real grievance . Especially , when they that would impose it , live , with many of the rest , under the Government of a just and sovereign Prince , from whom they have no Charter for their imposition , but who hath declared he will not have his subjects so impos'd upon . In sum , we are all indispensably oblig'd by our Lord Jesus Christ , the sovereign Prince and Ruler of his Church , to the substance of all Christian Ordinances . As to uninstituted modes thereof , we are free . And they that understand their liberty , may use or not use them as is more for their own , and the common good . They that understand it not , and think themselves under an obligation from Christ not to admit questionable , devised additions into their worship ; they are not therefore to deprive themselves of the substantial Ordinances of the Christian Religion , whereof there is no question . I shut up all with the words of the great Apostle , Rom. 14. 3. 4. One beleiveth that he may eat all things : another , who is weak , eateth herbs . Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not , for God hath received him . v. 13. Let us not therefore judge one another any more : but judge this rather , that no man put a stumbling block , or an occasion to fall in his brothers way . FINIS . Errata . PAge 2. l. 4. after may , r. by dependence on divine help , p. 3. l. 21. r. reverent , p. 6. l. 19. r. Assemblies , p. 7. l. 27. r. supposes , p. 9. l. 2. r. One , l. 5. r. design , p. 13. l. 9. r. were , p. 22. l. 13. r. become , p. 25. l. 1. after according , r. to , p. 26. l. 23. after government , r. these words , as we suppose he means , blot them out in l. 24. p. 29. l. 24 r. separate , p. 33. l. 3. r. inclination , p. 34. l. 18. r. obliged , p. 36. l. 23. r. impracticable . LONDON : Printed for SAMUEL WALSALL , at the Golden Frying-Pan in Leaden-Hall-Street , 1680. Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A44665-e140 * Sermon on Josh. 24. 15.