Hagieā theoū krisis Iudgment worthy of God, or, An assertion of the existence and duration of hell torments, in two occasional letters, written several years since / by ... Henry Hammond ; to which is added an accordance of St. Paul with St. James, in the great point of faith and works by the same author. Hammond, Henry, 1605-1660. 1665 Approx. 156 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 89 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2007-01 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A45396 Wing H515 ESTC R15162 12158525 ocm 12158525 55220 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. 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OR An assertion of the EXISTENCE and DURATION OF Hell Torments , IN Two occasional Letters , written several years since , by The most Learned , Reverend , and Pious Dr HENRY HAMMOND . TO WHICH IS ADDED An Accordance of St PAUL with St JAMES , in the great point of Faith and Works , By the same Author . — Who being Dead yet speaketh . Heb. 11.4 . OXFORD Printed by H. H. Printer to the University , for RIC : ROYSTON , and RIC : DAVIS , 1665. The Preface . SO servilely dis-ingenuous is our Nature , and altogether brutish in the pursuit of sensual enjoyments , that the proposal of rewards does in no proportion lead us so forcibly to our Interests and duties , as do the threats and menaces of punishment . Insomuch that it may be said with perfect truth , that God is far more gracious in severity then in mercy ; far more obliging and indulgent in creating of a Hell , then in furnishing a Heaven . Whilst the flaming sword and dreadful Cherubim , set at the Entrances of Paradise , though they seem'd meant to hinder the return of our first Parents , prove really both theirs and ours best Convoy thither . We being such , whom vengeance only can reclaim , terrors allure , and even damnation it self preserve from ruin and damnation . Accordingly , it is an Observation verify'd by full experience , that our fears of Hell are ballanc'd with our hopes of Heaven ; and our beliefs concerning each , answer our Expectations of either . The Apostle's assertion of Mens heaping to themselves Teachers according to their lusts , being as true of their choice of doctrines : and however in other things we live not answerably to our Principles , in this Instance we rarely deviate , and by the same degrees grow confident in doing ill at present , and disbelieving of our future sufferings for it : so that it proves a Contemplation of great variety to recollect what shifts men put themselves upon , to gain a truce and correspondence with their vices ; how they sweat and labour , as to acquire the real punishments , so to elude the anticipated dreads and frightful Expectations attending their misdoings . 1. And first of all ; how being engag'd in vitious practice , they strive to palliate its deformity with the beauteous appearances of neighbouring vertue ; calling their angers justice , their lusts friendships , their rapines zeal , and so of the rest . But when this Umbrage proves too thin , and the hypocrite has the ill fate never long to impose on others , and therefore much lesse upon himself . 2. The next Attempt is made to lessen the regard of Vertue and shame of Vice , by suggesting that both are the production of opinion : That Nature knew no Ethicks , but founding all things in Community made no proprieties excepting those of enjoyment and possession : whilst Law and right are the meer issues of preceding VVrong , the usurping on that freedome which was the native birthright of mankind ; and honesty is nothing but a bondage unto common fame , the being a fool to escape the stile of Knave . But when this gourd is wither'd in the day of it's appearance ( dishonest practise ; however fashionable and recommended by Example ; being of ill mark and seeking Covert : never secure by any strengths , nor shelter'd by Concelement : Nay more then this , the partial sinner condemning still in others , the very guilts he flatters in himself , which makes it evident that naughty practise has an horrour in it which in despight of interest or prepossession confesses it detestable ) 3. A fresh expedient is sought , and men are taught to argue , that howsoever Wickednesse be shamefull in its nature , it will not much import if it at least be innocent in its effects ; and followed by impunity . Which hope is countenanct by the indifferent and seeming casual dispensation of successes in the World ; where one event happens to the good and bad , the clean and unclean ; him that sacrifices , and him that sacrifices not ; whilst providence is so far from punishing offenders as to allow to them the most signal liberalities ; and good men in the interim rarely share in any thing but misery . Yet notwithstanding this ; since conscious guilt by sad misgiving controules its most assur'd enjoyments ; and reason addes her more concluding suffrage , retorting back the Argument , and from the impunity of wicked men at present demonstrates that instead of peace and safety a sure arrear of judgment must be look'd for ; it being most consequent , that if there be a God , he must be just ; and if he be so , will punish in a future world the injustices which scape and thrive in this . 4. Henc it growes needful for the vicious person to look out farther for security ; and beaten from the former shelters , his next addresse is to religion , and with the troops of other Criminals he seeks for refuge at the Altar , which to all purposes besides he scornes and desecrates . And here he boldly claimes the priviledge of Saintship , of Faith , Predestination , and thousand texts of Scripture which promise mercy and forgivenesse unto sinners . But when these flattering expectations are silenc't by the voice of the same Scripture , which plainly saies that no Whoremonger , Adulterer , unclean person , or the like , shall have any inheritance in the kingdome of Christ and of God : and on the Contrary , that tribulation and anguish is on the Soule of every man that doth evil whatsoever his opinions be : and as to advantages from outward profession , they are but this ; he that knows the VVill of God and does not practise , has right unto this one prerogative alone , to be beaten with more strips then others : 5. After these frequently repeated misadventures , the sinner encourages himself to try a yet unthought of Artifice : and since that in all addresses whither to Nature or Religion he meets with sad abodes of future punishments : he would fain please himselfe with putting far off from him the evill day : suggesting that these punishments both are and likewise will be future still ; at least are so remote , as not to merit our regards , or stand in competition with a present satisfaction . But when the hourly possibilities of death and a succeeding state of torment , revenging with severe inflictions the broken minutes of reprieve , intrude upon the mind ; then this fair dream of Comfort likewise vanishes as faithlesse and as empty as the rest . And now it were to be expected , that the sensual Man driven so often from his fastnesses and places of retreat , should yield and be content at last to part with ruine . 6. But the Industry of vice is not so wanting to its self : for though it be made evident that vertue is a real being , and the demure pretension to it will no way satisfy our interest or duty : also that it appear religion has no Gospel for the wilful sinner : and no impunity can be expected to transgression , nor advantage in delay of suffering : One more , and indeed the only unattempted refuge is laid hold of ▪ to try if that these punishments are really so formidable as is pretended ; or such indeed as a generous and valiant sinner may meet and grapple with . The which is put in practise by framing easy Characters of the inflictions apportion'd to transgression , and likewise shortning the date of their duration . And indeed this method of procedure seems to be the last effort of resolute Impiety : when men determin'd not to leave their sin , rifle the regions of darknesse for their shelter , and seek a refuge in perdition : fulfilling the prophetick strain and high Hyperbole of making a Covenant with Death and being at an agreement with Hell. A method which though not perfectly unknown unto precedent generations , was rarely ventur'd on ; but seems left like to the barbarous Western VVorld to be invaded and possest by this our Age. Even that , which having attempted Mischiefs beyond all common practise , was in reason to look out for salvo's and excuses no lesse peculiar . And as if these would not be authentick if only whisper'd in discourse , we have liv'd to see them made the Argument of Books and magisterially disputed as sober truths and maximes of Divinity . For besides the preparatory Doctrine of the Socinians , ( who teaching men to disbelieve that Resurrection which God asserts , leave it an easy task to overthrow that which themselves contriv'd . ) We have in our own language been solemnly instructed that the pains of Hell are nothing but the luxuries of Earth ; the drudgery of getting Children , and living or'e again that age which sensual men would live for ever . We have bin likewise taught those pains dwell only in the phancy , nay in the VVishes and importunate desires of them that are tormented : as if the flames of the infernal Tophet had bin the painted Fires of Purgatory , and every criminal were his own Hell and pain and Devil too . Lastly , we have been taught that the severity of the day of judgment shall pass upon its self , when death shall learn to dye , damnation be condemn'd , and perdition be destroy'd . Whilst men have brought again from the infernal pit that monstrous Heresy , which should have justify'd its doctrine , by having been its self consum'd there , and lost unto Eternity . Alass ! who will from henceforth be afraid of sin , if it only punish by inflicting pleasure , torment by baiting us with keen desire , or end in painless deperdition ? We can dwell with consuming fire , and peacefully cohabit with everlasting burning , if the flames be only those of lust , or of desire ; or be they real ones , if they utterly consume , and are so great as to be withal most friendly , and calcine us in a moment . Which severals being thus nakedly premis'd , there will not need a farther Preface to manifest , how very seasonable the subjects of the ensuing discourses are : nor more to justify the Edition of them , unlesse it may be useful to declare , that these considerations were so weighty , as to perswade thereto the Right Reverend Father in God , the Lord Bishop of London , ( who was entrusted with these Venerable Remains ) though he otherwise is very jealous without much caution to commit ( and will not suffer any other person to bring ) the posthumous labours ( especially the occasional private letters ) of his friend to publick light : least , though every thing which fell from that Excellent Pen , merits its readers full reception , yet wanting the advantage of a review , it may not altogether merit and deserve its Author ; that is , be not so exactly absolute , as whatsoever past his second view was sure to be . May the Charity of the one in writing , and the other in publishing these discourses be answer'd in the advantage of the Reader ; who can only , by being convinc'd there is a Hell , escape the knowing what it is , and will happily confute these Papers by being a Proselyte unto them . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Iudgment worthy of God. or , An assertion of the Existence and Duration of Hell Torments . SIR , AS soon as I had made my last dispatch to you , it pleased God to fasten me to my bed for some dayes , by the returne of a fit , which hath been my frequent exercise ; from whence being now after five dayes remov'd to my chaire , I have some liberty to review your question ; and think it best with my pen in my hand to offer to you ( in the same order which you have us'd ) my thoughts of every period . And first for the termes of the Question , they want somewhat of Expresness : For supposing , as you doe , that the Wicked rise , and are judged , and adding from hence that their sentence shall be that they shall utterly be destroyed , yet it is uncertain , whether that sentence shall be immediately executed , or after some space ; or if immediately , whether by a swift or lingering destruction . For he that should affirm the wicked to be at the last judgement committed to a fire , which should torment for many hundred or thousand years , and at last consume and annihilate them , would affirme the affirmative of this question : and so he , that advanc'd from 1000 ds to millions of years and ages of sufferings , concluded ( at any the longest last ) with abolition . And then the arguings that are after us'd from Gods Justice &c : would be of little force , if no more but this were design'd to be gained by them . For it were sure as much Justice to punish eternally , as to punish millions of years , and then annihilate , when the supposed ground of Injustice is the lightness , or shortness of the Acts so punished , which would in the Eye of Law , and Equity , bear as little , i. e. no proportion with many Millions of Ages , as with duration absolutely infinite . I shall therefore take it for granted by him that proposeth the question , that he means destruction immediately following the dooms-day sentence , and that no lingering but swift destruction . Next then p. i. for Origens opinion , granting it right stated ( as I think it is ) I demand for what reason that is mention'd ? Is it not for this , because Origens Doctrine was deem'd an Heresy in the Church , and that of some ill and dangerous consequence to be believed ? If so , then it must be considered , whether they that deem'd Origens Hereticall , can appear to have been more favourable to this , ( which will not be found ) or whether the ill consequences of this be not as dangerous , as of Origens , i e. whether the belief of no future punishment to the wickedst Hypocrites in the world , save only of swift annihilation , will not be as forcible a meanes of securing wicked men that have no tast or spirituall joyes ) in the admitting of any gainfull evill , as the belief that after a long space of horrible torments proportionably encreas'd to their number of Sins , and the aggravations thereof , they shall one day , no body knowes when , when the Divells have been punish'd enough for their highest rebellions and continued hating and opposing of God , be delivered out of their flames , and made partakers of vision of God , and society of Saints and Angels , which they ever hated , and never desire to see ▪ or be in their company , and have suffer'd all those torments , rather then they would entertain or admit Communion ( or desire and practices ) with them . T is possible it may be said , that the reason of the difference is because Origens opinion was contrary to Scripture , and that this other is not . To this I shall make no further reply , then in the words of Vincentius Lirin : Imo planè nemo unquam Magistrorum fuit , qui pluribus divinae legis uteretur exemplis . His only fault then must bee , that he urged divine Testimonies in uncatholick Interpretations : ( And whether that have not place here also ; I leave it to every one to consider ) and so saith Lirinensis again , Dum parvipendit antiquam religionis Christianae simplicitatem , dum se plus cunctis sapere praesumit , dum Ecclesiasticas traditiones & veterum Magisteria contemnens quaedam scripturarum capitula nova more interpretatur , meruit ut de se quoque Ecclesiae Dei diceretur , Si surrexit in medio Tui Propheta — Thirdly then , to come to your Testimonies from Scripture , of the N : T : especially , for proof of the affirmative . And 1. for the use of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 : It is acknowledg'd that these words properly signify the same that in English death or dying doth . But that this should be limited to utter destruction and annihilation , is most unreasonable . For , in the using of this argument it is foreseen and granted , that death is taken sometimes for death in and unto Sin : Only 't is suggested that those are mysticall and metaphoricall Sences ▪ Hereupon I infer , that if the words be taken sometimes mystically and metaphorically , and yet no assurance that they are so , but because they are us'd in a matter whereto death , as it signifies a separation of Soul and Body , is unappliable ; then may they by the same reason be taken so elsewhere , and not bound to that one which is thought to be the sole literal and proper signification . If Death appear to signify in Scripture somewhat beside utter destruction , then how can the wickeds utter destruction be concluded from the mentions of their death & c ? Against this it avails not to say , that the one is the proper , but the other only metaphoricall notion of it : for it being granted that the scripture useth Metaphors in one instance , why may it not in another as probably ? This is sufficient to the force of that argument . But then ex abundanti , I adde , that the Notion of Death for utter destruction i. e. Annihilation being only usefull to the disputer , it will be hard for him to produce any one place , either in Old or New Testament , ( I might adde , or in any other Author ) where 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 &c. signifies Annihilation . It signifies indeed the separation of Soul from Body very frequently ; but that is not founded on supposition that in that separation either of the parts , much lesse both , utterly perish . Nay the doctrine , for which the proposer of the questions disputes , supposes him not to mean death in that notion ; for then Eternall death , the wickeds portion , must be eternall separation of Soul and Body , which is exclusive of all reunion or resurrection at the day of Judgment : which the Disputer averts as hereticall . Nay 't is to be observ'd that when our Saviour came nearest the expressing this matter or annihilation , he chooseth two other Phrases , ( not this of death , or anything that way inclining ) having never been born , and having a milstone hanged about the Neck and being cast into the midst of the Sea , which by an imperfect resemblance seemeth meant on purpose to signifie annihilation : And yet it is also observable to the main question , that either of these states ( and so annihilation ) is better and more desirable , then the Lot which in Gods decree awaites a betrayer of Christ , a wicked man , for that one fact . Thus far by way of evacuating all force in that Argument ; To this I shall adde somewhat Positive toward the laying foundation for the evincing the contrary , viz. That death in scripture use . , is ( as 't is granted in the objection ) oppos'd to life . Life then ordinarily signifies that which results from the union of Soul and Body : but it also signifies the result of another union ( Unio Virtutis ) betwixt God and the Soul , or betwixt God and both . In the former of these it signifies spirituall life , both as that signifies living well , whereby the passages of spiritual vertue betwixt God and us , are kept open and free ; and as it signifies pardon of sin , the contrary whereto is expressed by separating and hiding his face , and turning himself from us . In the latter ( viz. betwixt God and the Soul and Body , i. e. Person of man ) it signifies Gods favour and protection , of which under the style of Gods presence the Psalmist saith , that in it is life . And then as all felicity is the certain effect or consequent of this kind of union , so life oft signifies felicity , even that of the highest Magnitude . And all this not Mystically or Metaphorically , that I know of , ( or if it did , that exception is of no force as hath already been shew'd ) but as litterally , and with as full propriety as the union of Soul and Body is call'd Life , God being ( as the School saith out of St Augustin ) intimior cuicunque rei creatae , then the Soul is to the Body : and so the several parts of that union more necessary to the several sorts of life signified thereby . Mean while it is evident that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 life belongs not to being simply ; for all Ents have not life : or to miserable being ; non est vivere sed valere vita ; but to greater or lesser degrees of happy and joyfull being , the utmost of which is so naturally expressed by 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , that it wants not the addition of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ( oft times ) to do it : If thou wilt enter into life Mat. XIX , 17. and VII , 14. and XVIII , 8. i. e. the happy being in Heaven : Which is so properly that which is call'd life , that this we live here scarce deserves the appellation in comparison with it . Now in proportion to these acceptions of life must the Notion of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 &c. be calculated . Had life signified most properly [ being ] simply taken , there might have been some pretence , that the contrary 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 should denote the contrary to being viz. Annihilation : But when it signifies those so many other things , and not simple entity , 't is most rationall that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 should both technically , and properly signify the opposites to those severals , wicked life , the displeasure of God , a miserable being here , separation of Soul from Body ; of both from God , and above all endless torments in another World , Joh. viii , 51 , 52. ( and that as somewhat to be seen and tasted , which were not so well appliable to annihilation ) and in many other places ; I instance in one or two more , first , Heb. 2 , 14. because there it seems to mee to have a mark distinguishing it both from death , the separation of Soul and Body , and from annihilation . For of neither of those I suppose the Divell can be said 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , to have power , especially not of the latter ; which is a work of the same Omnipotency that creation is : Whereas of eternal torments of the wicked 't is certain that the inflicting of them is entrusted to the Divell ; and so he hath power over them . Secondly 1. Joh. 3.14 . Where he that loveth not his Brother is said 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to abide in that which is there call'd death , which is some prejudice to the opinion of redactio in nihilum : for in that there is no abiding . So that I suppose it clear that there hath been little gaind to the establishing the affirmative of the question , from this first objection , the use of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 &c. for the punishment of the Wicked . Proceed wee then to the second sort of words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 there rendred destruction or perishing or perdition . For all these will be ruled by the former 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 &c. none of them having any propriety to the sence of annihilation , but only oppos'd to 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the notions wherein they are visibly us'd for rescues or deliverances ; sometime from greater , sometime from lesser dangers , sometime for forsaking of Sin , repentance Act. 2.40 . coincident with spiritual life : sometime for pardon of Sin , sometime for temporal cures ; and sometime for that state of endless rest from pain , Sin , Frailties , Infirmities , together with addition of all positive blisse in the vision of God. And in proportion 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is fitly vs'd not only for the privations ; but contraries to every one of those , the evils extreamly opposite to these good things . And nothing hinders but that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 be taken Mat. 10.28 . not for annihilating but tormenting in Hell , that being the known place for the inflicting of torments , and to that end the fire eternal prepar'd for the Divel and his Angels , and Men also adjudg'd to have their parts of it Mat. 25.41 . and the office of the Divells there to be Lictors , & tormentors , and jaylors , which suppose space of detention and cruciating , but are irreconcileable with instant annihilation : see Mat. 5.25 ▪ 26. And against this sence of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , nothing farther said hath force . For , first , thus 't is certain , God both can and will punish , i. e. cruciate those that fear him not . Secondly , 'T is denied that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 most properly signifies the destruction of the being of the subject , or annihilation , and whereas 't is affirm'd so to signifie Mat. 10.39 . it is certain it doth not . For there as it is once oppos'd to the loosing this present life , ( as our Saviour foretels the complying Jewes , and Gnosticks should in event do by those very means by which they intended to preserve them ) so it is a second time apply'd to godly Martyrs who loose their lives for Christs sake , of whom it will not be imagined that they are annihilated , when they so dye . Thirdly , the Concession that when apply'd to a person , it signifies generally death in the proper sence , is a manifest prejudice to its signifying annihilation ; for if the death of a person were the annihilating that person , all resurrection were superseded . And this is farther evident by the several proofs farther produced as Mat. 26.52 . where they that take the Sword against the lawfull Magistrate , shall i. e. are worthy to perish by the Sword of the Magistrate , which yet I hope can annihilate no man , but only kill the body , Mat. x. 28 . And beyond that have no more that they can do : so Mat. 27.20 . I hope Jesus was only crucifyed , not annihilated . And so in all other places , save only that of 1 Cor. 15.18 . where upon a false assumption it would follow that ( not the wicked , which alone were pertinent , but ) good Christians should utterly loose all being , at least of the body , or be never rais'd again , so that it is far from being by that Cumulus of Testimonies concluded that the destruction or perishing or the wicked signifies utter destruction . If these testimonies may be believ'd ( some of which belong to Christ , some more to the godly , and no one to the annihilation of the wicked ) the direct contrary will be concluded . Fourthly , the places that are produced to prove this to be the expectation or the Devils , prove it not . Not Mar. 1.24 . for there to destroy them ] is to retrench their great power over the men of the World , to destroy their Dominion , to cast them out of the bodies v. 25. yea and out of the Temples and minds of men , which they possest . The other of Luke 4.34 is to the same purpose , and so concludes no more , then that concluded . And indeed it cannot be with any shew of reason imagined , that the divels should know so little of their own doom , as to thinke it possible they should at Christ's coming be annihilated . Nay if they had , their present condition being so far from the least degree of happinesse , they could have no reason to deprecate it , or beg Christ to let them alone , and disclaim having any thing to do with him . Their annihilation ( if that had been the signification of destroying them ) the speedier it were , it were certainly the more desireable ; especially when it would also have secur'd them from the fear of a yet worse condition , which we know was decreed them , and of which they cannot be doubted to have receiv'd presages , by being finally sentenc'd to it . If this argument be consider'd , it will certainly warrant my affirmation , that 't was not annihilation that the divels with such horrour expected from Christ , but , as appeares by comparing with Mat. 8.29 . amandation to torments . Fifthly , the uses of the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for eternall destruction , exemplifi'd by the Objector by many texts Jo. 3.15 , &c. if proved as manifestly , as freely granted by me , are still of no force to induce the desired conclusion , because it was said 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifies not annihilatiō . And yet it falls out , that severall of the testimonies are impertinent to that to which they were design'd ; as 1 Cor. 1.18 . 2 Cor. 2.15 . where they that perish are impenitent sinners ( abstracted from the doom that expects them ) as oppos'd to 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the notion of penitents , and the next 2 Thes . 2.10 . is of the same importance . Sixthly , the uses of the nounes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 & 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 must be concluded by what hath been already said of the verbs and nounes together , and indeed infer as little toward the undertaken cōclusion . For to that two premisses being requisite . 1. That the punishment of the wicked is exprest by 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . 2. That those words signifie annihilation , only the former of these is pretended to be prov'd from the use of the words in the quoted places : the later , on which all the weight lyes , being not pretended or endeavoured to be prov'd , but rather taken for granted , which is the great fallacy of petitio principii , not to be tolerated in the pressing any Argument . Seventhly , For 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 it availes nothing : for allowing it to be all one with 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ( a word which by the way I must now adde , having formerly omitted to insert it , signifies bodily smart inflicted by the devill , 1 Cor. 5.5 . all one with 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 2 Cor. 12.7 . buffeting , yet still it signifies not annihilation , but sometimes an effect of spirituall death , or separation of God from the soule : viz : abominable uncleannesse , which in a Christian is the defiling of Gods Temple 1 Cor 3.1 , and that is granted by the Objector to be uselesse to him ( and is not rendred more serviceable by pretending 't is Metaphoricall , for though to call a man a Temple may be deem'd a Metaphor , yet to pollute , whether Temple or Man , is propriety of speech , and that the only importance of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in all places of the N. Testament , 1. Cor. 15.33 . 2 Cor. 7. ● . and 11.3 . Eph. 4.22 . Jud. 10. Revel . 19.2 . and so very often 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Rom. 8.21 . vid. Annotat : 2 Pet. 1.4 . and 2.12 . twice and 19. Sometimes the corruption of the body in the grave , 1 Cor. 15.42 . and 50. sometimes for hurt to the man , Col 2 . 2● . and sometimes for the pun●shments that await the wicked , Gal. 6 8 and opposed to an happy everlast●ng state call'd 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , & by that opposition not prejudiced but rather concluded to be an everlasting miserable state . For whereas the contrary is suggested without offer of proof , viz that destruction being oppos'd to eternall life , doth therefore seem to signify that which is most opposite thereto viz. real and eternall destruction , this is indeed scarce so much as a seeming or probability , very far from a demonstration . For sure eternall miserable being is most properly contrary and so opposite to eternall happy being . And though in Metaphysicall consideration absolute not being be most opposite to being , and so to eternall being ; yet in morall speaking it is not so . 1. For sure eternall ill being , eternal torments , are much worse then no being at all : the bare Bonitas Entis , which Dr Twiss , and some Predestinarians fly to , being , when joyn'd with infinite miseries , very far from being valuable to him that hath it , If we believe Christ ; having never been born , is more desireable then it . What is said on this word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to the interpreting of 2 Pet. 2.12 . is in my opinion not to be adher'd to : 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , are , I think , to be actively taken , and so 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 will signify those that take , and corrupt others , the filthy Gnosticks ; see Annot : ) and in that sence , of which only the words are capable , the phrase hath no shew of usefulnesse to the Objecter . For then 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 readily signifies in their corrupting or debauching others , they shall be destroyed i. e. punish'd severely ( I suppose eternally though that word enforce it not . ) Eighthly , For 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Luk. 19.27 . the full importance of it is to denote a signal execution of punishment on malefactors , brought forth and slain before the provoked King , but no more implies annihilation then any of the former . Nor is it at all discernable by that place , whether the punishment executed were to be swift or lingering , it only signifies sharpe , and not to be averted ; and solemne , and exemplary , as for a great and provoking crime : and indeed the passage wherein we find that phrase being a Parable , the Notion of it must be accorded thereunto ; and so cannot be other then such as a Prince executes on his rebell subjects , neither annihilation on one side , nor eternal punishments on the other ; & so that phrase will be argumentative on neither part . Ninthly , For 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , and the other words of the same nature with that , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , the utmost that can be pretended of them is , that those things that are thus burnt , consum'd , and devour'd , are utterly changed from their former state , not that they are annihilated . For what is utterly burnt is turn'd to ashes , but then ashes and not nothing are the terme of that corruption . So likewise that which is eaten and masticated never so small and converted into Chyle , then blood , then flesh , the rest going out into the draught , is still but thus chang'd not annihilated . 'T is not indeed what it was , but thereby it only the more fitly represents those infernal torments , and state , which is as wide a moral mutation & departure from all good or desirable to any appetite , as can be imagin'd . And certainly this is all that can pretend to be deduc'd from common interpretation ( which is referr'd to ) of those Phrases . For if the wicked were granted to be destroy'd exactly after the manner of Chaffe &c. Yet as chaffe is not annihilated , so would it not follow that the wicked are annihilated . But then withall it will be just to remember that Similitudes and Parables must not be bound to such accurate 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , as that every circumstance in the parable be accounted for strictly in the application , but only the main lineaments , wherein the design'd resemblance consisted , preserv'd , viz. that as after the threshing and winowing the good corn , and laying it up carefully in the granary , the manner is to set fire to the chaffe , which licks it all up , and never ceaseth 'till it have consum'd all , and in that respect is call'd 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ( the wind conspiring with the fire , as in their open threshing flours on the tops of mountains the Jewish husbandry directed ) so after the trying and purging and at length rewarding the godly with eternall Heaven , 't is to be expected that God shall proceed to deal severely with the wicked , and then that severity be such as they shall not possibly avert nor be able to undergo without the utmost morall damage to them . As for the use of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Heb. 13.11 . of sacrifices burnt to ashes , Act. 19.19 ▪ of bookes burnt also , and Revel . 8.7 . of trees , and green grasse burnt up , it is no more then hath been yeelded to the force of the former places . For still none of these were annihilated , they were burnt to ashes , not to nothing . Nay when the very phrase 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is sometimes joyn'd with the burning of the wicked , as of chaffe , it is not obvious to render any reason for the choice of this phrase , but what will be founded in the eternity of their torments and being ; for fire we know goes out it self when the fewel is exhausted : and so the Unextinguishablenesse of the one must be answered with the durableness of the other . Tenthly , For the same and like Phrases in the Old Testament , granting ( according to the mind of the Objector ) that they include the second death after the general judgment : yet still this avails nothing to the desir'd conclusion , unlesse it be farther prov'd that those Words and Phrases do signify absolute utter destruction , or annihilation , for upon that only the affirmative of the question depends , and for that there is no least pretence of proof offer'd here . Eleventhly , For the Phrase 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , it will never be usefull to the disputer : for if the first death be the Act of separation of Soul and Body , and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not the torments of Hell , but the state or continuance of that separation ( as it will be found to signify in all the places of the Bible , and in the most and best heathen Authors ) then the second death being the taking away them , must by consequence be founded in the reunion of the Soul and Body , that reunion being in propriety the dissolving of separation , Act and State both . Granting therefore that the casting of death and Hades ( I must set that word instead of Hell , which in use signifies another thing , even that whereunto it is there said to be cast ) into the lake of Fire , Revel . 20.14 . is the second death : and the converting those ( Act and State ) into a State of sensitive and real misery : what can follow thence to the disputers advantage ? That according to the Rabbinical Notion , it signifies final and utter destruction ? Why , let it do so ; and the result is , that then death being finally and utterly destroy'd , a never ceasing State of being ( though that most miserable ) now takes place , and that is eternity of torments , far remov'd from annihilation : for though utter destruction of positive Entities may be deem'd to signify annihilation , yet when attributed only to privative Entities , death and Hades , it can in no reason signifie annihihilation , but the contrary restauration to being , i. e. to union of Soul and Body . But then secondly that the Rabbins or Chaldae Paraphrast , Deut. 33.6 . or Is . 22.14 . meant by second death to denote absolute negation of all being , must not be allowed : for Deut. 33.6 . the Hebrew reading let Reuben live and not die , and the Chaldae Paraphrast using the Phrase of the second death , that can infer no more , then by that Phrase they explain'd what they deem'd already meant by the Hebrew word duly rendred dying : and there is no reason or colour for saying that that signify'd annihilation ; dye he might , yet not be annihilated . And the like is apparent of the other place Is . 22.14 . so much therefore for that . To proceed then , will it be for the Objectors advantage that the second death is express'd by the lake of Fire and Brimstone , and that evidently referring to the utter destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah ? To this I reply first , that 't was a tempestuous Rain of Fire and Brimstone that consumed Sodom , and not a Lake ; and so the reference doth no farther hold then the Fire and Brimstone , i. e. The terrible stinking , and furiously burning Fire , and that gaines nothing to the disputer ; The Fire of Hell may be as searching , and noysome , as is possible , without being finite , utterly consuming , or annihilating . Nay , secondly , when the Men of Sodome and Gomorrah , the inhabitants as well as the Walls , were burnt to ashes by that Fire and Brimstone , to which that lake bears some resemblance , what probability is there , that either those walls that were burnt to ashes were annihilated , or els that all that people were then annihilated so as to be uncapable of being rais'd , and judged at the day of doom ? Or if they were , wherein did their punishment appear to be greater then the portion of any other more moderate wicked man , which in the disputers sence shall be so finally annihilated ; and sure reap no advantage by the state that expects him in the intervall ? Lastly , will his advantage be , that as death by being cast into the lake is suppos'd to be utterly destroyed , so whoever else is cast into the lake , shall be utterly annihilated ? That I suppose the specially design'd advantage : but as it was said , it will prove none , because death being a privative thing , the destroying of that necessarily infers not only a positive Resurrection , but consequent to it an undying State , and that is contrary to the disputers pretentions . And then though those privations be destroy'd by being cast into the lake , yet it no way followes , that men by being cast in thither , shall be destroyed also . The concluding thus were , as if , putting off the prophetical expression , one should say in plain words , After the death of Adam and all his posterity , and their continuing in the state of separation some thousands of years , they shall be rais'd againe , and their Souls eternally united to their bodyes , and of those so rais'd , many should be cast into as eternal flames , ( the former of these is parallel to the casting of Hell and Hades into the lake ; the latter of the persons into the same lake ) Ergo as there shall be no more separation of Souls from Bodies , so there shall be no more punishing of wicked men , whereas indeed the very contrary followes : The destroying of death is the commencing of this endless miserable life , therefore proov'd to be endlesse because death is destroyed , and so life comes universally ; and so to continue eternally instead of it : for else death and Hades ( or that which is more then death , annnihilation ) should returne to have their being again , which it was decreed they should not , and therefore they are said to be cast into the lake . 'T is true indeed , if Hades signified the place of Hell or state of torments , then the casting this into the lake , would be the finishing those torments , whether after Origens way , or any other , it matters not ; but this as hath been said , is not the importance of hades , but the State of death , as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is the Act of it . To what hath last been said , that which followes in the bottome of p. 3. will be found no competent answer . The first Answer is , that the destruction of death and Hades is spoken properly in reference to them whose Names are in the Book of life . But first , if this were true , then one of my former conclusions must needs be granted , that Hades signifies not Hell Torments ( for that being destroyed to those that were under it , the Godly were never under these ) but the state of the dead in universum . Yet secondly , it is not true , for v. 12. I saw the dead , small and great , stand before God , and the Books were opened , the Books of Register of all mens deeds ( from which the book of life , following , is different ) and the Dead were judged — the Dead indefinitely , i. e. sure all the dead , and yet more deictically by enumeration of all particulars concern'd in it : The sea gave up its Dead , and Death and Hades delivered up the Dead which were in them , and they were judged every Man according to their Workes . Here 't is evident that Death and Hades are properly spoken in reference to all that were to be judged according to works , and not only to them whose names were written in the Book of Life . And so that evacuates the first Answer . The second Answer is , that they that are not written in that Book , shall never suffer such a Death as brings to Hades , but shall fall into a worse , the second Death . But to this I reply , that this distinction hath no ground in the text , but contrary wise both Death and Hades are equally there said to be destroy'd to all that were under them , both whose names are , and are not written in the book of life . As therefore to the Godly , that Death that leads to Hades is destroy'd , so equally to the Wicked ; and then they are both rendred eternall ; and then the Wickeds being cast into this lake , is not , cannot be to be destroy'd there ; but being a lake of fire , to be tormented there eternally , as is most apparent v. 10. where the Divell was cast into this lake , and the beast and the false Prophet said to be there already , yet were not annihilated by being cast thither , but as it follows , shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever . That they fall into a worse death , I willingly grant , and think it usefull to the cause I defend : for suppose a Wicked Man , whose impiety costs him dear here , ( one of the Divels saddest Martyrs ) cruciated with the Diseases his Sins have brought on him in an exquisite manner many years , and at last either seiz'd on by the hand of Justice , and delivered to a wittily tormenting Death , or exercised many years with the rack of Stone and Strangury , or the like , and at last by these horrid miseries his Soul rent from his Body , and he continue in Hades many Hundred years , and certainly partake of no good in that estate , at the utmost , but rest from the labours of his former life . Can it in this case be said that the second Death is worse then this , and yet this second Death defin'd by a swift Annihilation ? Certainly it cannot . Nothing but long continued if not endless Torments can be said worse then those so long continued Torments . But whereas it is added that the second Death is absolute and eternall destruction , as the scripture elsewhere speaks , I reply , that the scripture no where speaks so ; never uses second death of any such thing as annihilation , nor ever seems in any other words to say of any wicked man , that he shall be annihilated . As for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , I grant it parallel to 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , but can see no Argument producible thence that either of them denotes annihilation , being both so much more proper to denote Torments , and those eternall . For the valley of Hinnom , 't is known that Children were not burnt to Ashes there , but put into hollow brazen vessels , and there fryed and scorched ( a most lingering pain , ) and therefore call'd Tophet from the Timbrels that there us'd to sound to drown the noise of their dismal cryes . And for the lake the Text is expresse , they that be tormented ( without intermission ) Day and Night ( & without cessation ) for ever and ever . And though the valley of Hinnom being on Earth was not a state of of Eternall but temporary punishments ; yet that is no prejudice : for being to take a resemblance from earth and humane punishments where nothing was eternall , the most that could be was to take the sharpest and most lingering Torments thereby to expresse those which , being most sharp , were eternall also . Thus much for the Texts of Scripture and phrases therein , which seem favourable to the affirmation , but duly weighed have not so prov'd . Now for the Consideration taken from God's Attributes of Justice , and especially of Mercy p. 4. There seem to me to be three weak parts in the arguing . First that to those sins which are committed under temptations and infirmities of ours , not generally releiv'd by a sufficiency of auxiliary grace , God's eternal punishments are suppos'd to be affix'd by them , that maintain such punishments of eternal torments . Certainly they that thus doe , doe amiss ; and by so doing give great occasion to those that believe them to find other measures for justice in God , then those which he hath prescrib'd to men : ( whereas in matters of this nature God is content to be judg'd by our Tribunal and measures , Judge I pray you betwixt me and my Vineyard , and Are not my wayes equal ? ) But they that maintain God's requirings Mic. 6. to be proportion'd to his shewings , and the sufficiency of the Divine grace , ready for all that will make use of it , and therein found the justice of punishing those that do despise or neglect those meanes so liberally and abundantly provided for them by God , have given no cause for that exception . It is by them ( on the contrary ) marked out as an act of superabundant mercy , that God forsakes not upon the first refusals and not making use of his grace ; he is long-suffering , and most willing , and most ardently labours that all should come to repentance , even such as have long resisted his Evangelical methods of rich grace . Secondly , that weight is laid upon the Temporalness of the sins committed in this world , intimating I suppose the unproportionableness of Temporal to Eternal , and therein founding an objection against the Justice of those punishments . This I suppose is believ'd to have force against those that are wont to answer it by compensating the want of weight in the temporariness of the sin and sinner , partly by the eternity of God against whom the sin is committed , partly by the preparedness and inclination of the man to sin eternally , in case he should live eternally . And I shall confess that I have alwaies look'd on those as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , ( such as the Schools have many ) not able fully to satisfy humane understanding , and have therefore been careful in several writings to offer surer grounds of satisfaction in this matter ; by laying the weight on the option , which is by God given us , of eternal blisse on one side , as the reward of our Evangelical obedience , as on the other of eternal woe on our wilful denying , and this finally and obstinately persever'd in : which makes it most just , that they that resolutely and inexorably make this choice of never so much ill to themselves , should have none but themselves to blame for the unhappinesse of their portion . Thirdly , that God in inflicting punishment is compar'd with man in respect of the compassion supposeable in him to see any the worst man thus afflicted . Whereas I conceive God is to be look'd on here only as the Rector of the Universe , whose office it is to proceed in the work of Judicature without passion on either side . You may see it in a Judge on Earth , which if he be a well-natur'd man never willingly pronounces sentence , dolet quoties cogitur esse ferox : but yet must utterly disclaim his Office , if he do not secundùm allegata & probata pronounce that sentence , which the Law prescribes against such or such a fact , and resist all temptations of his compassion in so doing . Such a severity is that of God's , which the office which belongs to him in the World exacts of him , even when he swears that he is far from delighting in the death of him that dies , and most passionately exhorts to repent and live , and imputes it to absolute wilfulnesse , for which no reasonable account can be given by any man , that he will thus suffer . Should he never make such lawes to represse Sin by assur'd expectation of eternal punishment , we might easily judg what a World or rather Wildernesse of savage Creatures this Universe would be , by what it now is , even after all this severity of menace and interdict . T was therefore most just and most necessary , that he should thus have ordein'd and enacted these sad lawes ; And therefore in great Justice and Wisdome , and without any resistance from his infinite goodnesse and mercy , He thus enacted . And having done so , should he as oft as any one came to suffer according to those Lawes , retract or dispence with ; set his Compassion to evacuate the processe , and frustrate all the wise designes of this his Justice ? Certainly no man would ever expect this of an all-wise lawgiver ; or ( after he hath set his Seal to this grand Indenture , so solemnly as by his Son's promulgating and signing it with his blood ) imagine that his Compassion should thus tempore non suo interpose , when there are so many more proper seasons , wherein he hath effectually demonstrated himself to have as much of that to every the wickedst man that perisheth , as any the tender'st father , even David ever own'd to the most desperate rebel Son Absolon , that finally refuseth all returning to mercy , 'till at length he perisheth in the midst of his Sin to the wounding his Fathers heart . These are three competent exceptions to that part of the arguing taken from Gods attributes . And therefore to the additional considerations for the strengthening thereof the reply will be easy , that if they are the greatest part of the World that falls under this severity : this is but necessarily consequent to that greatest part being such as that sentence most justly and indispensably belongs to , and consequently not such whose guilts are truly suggested to be thus more venial , and of an ordinary degree ; but only such as proceed from malice and obstinacy , grosse negligence or groundlesse presumption . For for all other sins of infirmity , ignonorance , and even wilfull , timely retracted by repentance , there is remedy prepar'd under the Gospell . Only whereas to the two heads of infirmity and ignorance , as proofs of the more ordinary degree of guilt , the Objecter addes negligence , strength of temptation , corruption of nature , affection , evil education and example ; and then in grosse farther addes many other circumstances , both positive and privative , abating the hainousnesse of the guilt . This will deserve to be better consider'd , both because the most of these ( as the case truely stands ) yield no matter of just excuse to any , ( for so 't is sure of examples of men , when in evident opposition to the commands and intermination of God : so of affection or sensitive passion , when in contradiction to reason and humane nature , the upper soule which ought to exercise its dominion given it by God over those 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , the bestial part of the man ; and not be corrupted and led captive and blindfold by it : so again evill education , when contrary to the light of naturall conscience ; corruption of nature , when repair'd by grace ; temptations of the flesh or world or Devill , when infinitely outweigh'd by contrary motives to obedience and good living ) and because some of them have much of malignity in them , which may well enhance not lessen the guilt . Of this sort I chiefly instance in negligence , such as it may be supine and wretchlesse , which in a creature and servant containes all degrees of enhancing any sin : 't is wilfull , for he might be more careful : 't is obstinate , for he is oft warn'd of it by the noxious effects ( which he cannot but discerne ) of it , and the Master 's continual precepts to the contrary : 'T is presumptuous , still imagining he shall find mercy , when God assures him he shall not in this way , and upon that groundlesse confidence still presuming to offend : 'T is most ungrateful scorning and contemning to make any use of the greatest treasures of grace , all ready for him that would use tolerable diligence : 'T is an act of horrible pride , in despising God himself , his precepts , threats , promises ; of infidelity both active and passive , not believing God , not being faithful to his service ; And it self being nothing in effect but height of Idlenesse , and that doing or admitting much more ill , omitting much more good ( meerly to gratify that one swinish vile pleasure of sloth ) then any covetous voluptuous man doth for his greatest treasures , or tast fullest sensualities ; it hath as it were all the aggravations of all other sins collected into one sink or kennel . In this place the description assign'd the worst of men , [ viz. men of flagitious and contumacious lives ] may perhaps deserve some animadversion . For if this be the one measure , to which eternal punishments are thought commensurable , 't is possible there may be great and dangerous mistake in it . For 1. There are many principles of godless living all meeting in the effect , casting off the yoke of God's obedience , and so equally deserving to fall under the severity of those lawes by which the world was created and manag'd . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 are the two comprehensive names of them , but there are several under each . Under the first pride and rage and revenge &c. under the second voluptuousnesse of all sorts , Covetousnesse , desire of praise &c. And every of these have a foundation in our corrupt nature , and temptations from without also : And as one soyle is more unhappily qualify'd for the one ; so another is for another . And if all the restreints , commands , preventions , excitations , invitations , engagements , mercies , punishments of God ; all his Methods of armature and fortifying each man against these domestick enemies and traitours of his , may not be permitted to have any force toward his rescue out of this slavery to any of these sins , there is little reason of excuse that will hold the pleading for any of these . The contumacy is in effect the same in each ; in him that askes God forgivenesse for his intemperance every day , and every night wallowes in it ; as to him that goes on sullenly and demurely , and hath no regret to it . The aggravations are several ; but the difference of the degrees of malignity hardly discernible : Or if the disadvantage be on the side of the stout flagitious offender , this is no more then is necessary to be suppos'd to the defining several degrees of torments in Hell , that the mighty sinners might be mightily punished ; it doth not at all concern the justice of that sentence , that decrees every unreform'd impenitent to those flames . For repentance , as it signifies some degree of sincere renovation , being the minimum quod sic , without which all shall perish even under the Gospel , ( that utmost dispensation of strict Law that God will permit any to hope for , that doth not give the lie to his message in the mouth of his Son ) they that come short of this have no more to plead from any other circumstance imaginable , because that God which gave space for repentance , hath also provided such counterballances either of aids or pardon to such circumstances , as shall utterly frustrate and prevent all plea that can from thence be drawn either against his justice or his mercy . 2. It must be remembred that there be other states , to which those titles of flagitious and contumacious lives are not competible , which yet have no lesse of malignity in them by that consideration , such are that of the intricate disguis'd painted hypocrite , that hath God alwaies in his mouth , and his glory the design of his foulest actions , and yet his damnation as just as any man's : that of the wicked Christian , carnal Gospeller , that under the vow of baptisme , i. e. Christs banner , equals the sinnes of Jew , Turk or Heathen Worshipper : that of recidivation into forsaken sins , Apostacy , Temporary adherence to Christ , ( but in time of temptation presently they are offended , the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or cowardly Gnosticks , that Christ in the Revelation ranks with 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 unbelievers ) each of these upon other as just accounts , as those under which the flagitious and contumacious is acknowledged to fall , and perish , may as reasonably be resolv'd to have their portion : the richest talents being rather more then less accountable for , then the meanest ; and the utter darkness , where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth , peculiarly assign'd to the unprofitable servant , that being apt to object severity and austerity against God , did not yet endeavour by improving his Talent to approve himself unto him . By the way , that parable forewarns us how possible it is for a man negligently to loose all his opportunities of graces and advantages toward heaven , and engulfe himself in endless woe , whilst his heart is secretly objecting against the reconcileableness of God's judgments with those Attributes which he thinks fit to be vindicated in all his inflictions . In this Section ( after the middle of the 4th . p. ) it is resolv'd , that the opinion of eternal torments , properly so call'd , is not to be accepted upon less termes then of plain demonstration from Scripture : But what that signifies , I cannot guess ; God's affirmation when once reveal'd , as there is no just cause to doubt the testimony to be divine , will bear down all difficulties , which any improbability of the matter will suggest to us . Reason it self thus judgeth , that God is to be believed rather then any humane reasoning . If therefore Christ ( who sufficiently testify'd himself to come from God , and to have the signature of his Authority on all his affirmations ) did teach eternity of torments properly so call'd , and express that doctrine in such plain words , as all that heard him and his Commissioners preach , were firmly resolv'd to signifie the real everlastingness of those torments , then I suppose here is as plain demonstration , as the weightiness of the matter or the Objecter's exceptions can exact . And that thus it is , it may not be amiss briefly to shew in this place . Besides those testimonies which are by the Objecter produc'd ( and as they are enervated by him , have and shall be vindicated and clear'd to have force in them , and so are not to be mention'd here ) I insist on these three . 1. The parable of Dives and Lazarus , which being yielded to be but a parable , hath yet from Christs using it these grounds of assuring our faith , that there is as certainly after this life a state of torments as of bliss , and those torments executed by scorching , but not devouring and consuming , much less annihilating flames . He that is in them hath nothing to beg but a present cooling of his tongue , and that may not be had , because Dives hath had all his portion of good things in this life , and so must have no more such , though it be but the least allay of his pains for one minute , which sure excludes annihilation , which is the perfect superseding of them . Again , there is a gulf fixed , which interscinds all entercourse between Heaven and Hell , whereby any aid or relief should come to them . These circumstances put together must conclude , that the fire being not such as of it self consum'd those that were tormented in it , and Abraham , that was now a Comprehensor , knowing that there was now no place left for the least degree of release to the sufferer , and no relief being to be hop'd for from Heaven , from whence only it was possible to come , the fire and so the continuance in the torments must be eternal . I foresee but one objection to this , viz : that this was before the Day of Judgment , and then , this non obstante , the fire after the day of Doom may annihilate . To this I answer , that the Parable is not bound to refer to the time wherein it was delivered . Other parables of the King and the Bridegroom referr'd to after times , and this here by the seeing Dives bodily in Hell , and the scorching of the tongue and the mention of dipping the finger &c must refer to the state of conjunction of souls and bodies in Heaven and Hell , and that must be after the Resurrection ; and so that supersedes that one objection , and I foresee no other . Secondly , I mention Christs words of Judas , that it were better for him never to have been born , and of him that should offend a tender disciple , and avert him from Christ , that it were better a Milstone were hanged about his neck , and he cast into the midst of the Sea. Here I shall suppose annihilation as fully express'd by these two phrases , as by any it could be , and yet that somewhat worse then that expects wicked men , which must needs be founded in eternal miserable being : for eternal Being , if not miserable , is much better ; and miserable Being , if not eternal , but immediately determin'd by a swift destruction , as Christ supposeth , is not certainly and unquestionably worse then never having had a Being . Thirdly , I resume again ( though I now perceive they are after mention'd ) the express words of Christ Revel . 20.10 . that the Beast and the false Prophets , i. e. some wicked men 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 shall be tormented in a lake of fire and brimestone day and night for ever and ever . Nothing could have been more expresse : And to these I adde , that there is no one seeming dissent of contrary testimony producible from the whole Scripture , but innumerable that bear full consent with these , which consequently have establisht the faith of this Article , that it was by the Apostles of Christ enter'd into that depositum which they left in every Church where they preach'd , as appears by the last words of the Apostles Creed , the life everlasting ; which as it is expresly contrary to annihilation , which is excision and determination of life in respect of duration or lasting , so being subjoyn'd to the resurrection of the body , must be indefinitely coextended to that , and so belong to all bodies that are rais'd . And that it is thus comprehensive , appears more manifestly by the Athanasian Creed , which to the rising and coming again of all men with their bodies , and giving account for their own works , which is parallel to the Resurrection of the body , subjoyns as the Explication of Everlasting life this express Dogma , And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting , and they that have done evil into everlasting fire . And this was no doubt the concordant sence of the Churches , that had this depositum of Christian faith , both from the Scriptures and the preaching of the Apostles , and their Successors , committed to them . And so there remains no cause of doubt of the validity or plainness of demonstration , as far as any matter of doctrine is capable of it from the testimony of Christ and of God. What followes of the incredibility of this doctrine , making some men desperately doubt of the truth of the whole body of Religion , can have no force against the truth of it . All Christ's duri sermones had that effect of his teaching them , they were offended at him : and the meaning of that is , They forsook the whole Religion . Having gone thus far in particular Reply to all that have been propos'd in favour of the Affirmative of the question , I need not accommodate any Answer to the remaining ( fifth ) page of the first part . The three Postulata's , if all granted , ( as they may in some limited sence ) will gain him nothing . Not the first , for the letter of Scripture favours not him , as hath been shew'd ; death and destruction no way signify or conclude annihilation . Not the second , for there is no one Text clear in phrase and signification yet produc'd for the affirmative , nor any that by any age or orthodox Father hath been so interpreted . Not the third , because in our doctrine , set upon its due basis , there is nothing so much as of a seeming disagreeableness to piety , or the nature or Attributes of God , as hath been shew'd also . Then for the scandal of those disputes about Predestination &c. which is thought to be allay'd by the opinion of Annihilation , I answer , that they which deny all irrespective decree of Reprobation or Praeterition against Supralapsarians and Sublapsarians , that affirm universality of Redemption , and of the gift of sufficient grace ( all which are maintain'd by Bishop Overall , to whom the disputer professeth to encline , and are known to have been maintained by concordant votes of all the Fathers of the Greek and Latin Church before St Augustin , and since him by a considerable part of the Church through all Ages , and the contrary never universally receiv'd as a Doctrine , and so remaines to have been but a disputable question at the most ) cannot be imagin'd to be under any part of this scandall , or consequently to receive benefit by the Allay that is spoken of . And if the Doctrine of Reprobation &c. have need of this Antidote , to avert the ill and dangerous consequences of it , and to reconcile their dictates with piety and reverence to God Almighty , then it is more then time that the favourers of that Doctrine should rather change their poysons for wholsome dyet , then like the Mountebank on the Stage presume to swallow the poyson in confidence of this only antidote , which I have not yet heard that he believes to have any force in it . In a word , let us all renounce the irrespective decree of Reprobation , as I professe to do , and there is no more pretence for the denying of eternall torments of the Reprobates upon that account . As for the punishment of personall sins , and their circumstantiall abatements , that hath been accounted for already . The second Part. IN the Second Part the view of the places producible for Eternall Pains , begins with a prejudice , viz. that it is no where plainly and directly denyed that the Reprobates shall be destroy'd . But that negative Argument as it is simply invalid , so it is most unseasonably prefixt to the setting down of Testimonies for the perpetuity of their Torments : For if one such Text be produc'd that shall really conclude their torments perpetual , ( as certainly do the words of Christ Revel . 20.10 . of their being tormented Day and Night for ever and ever ) it is then most certainly consequent that the Reprobate shall not be destroy'd immediately after the day of Judgment : and what is that but the plain and direct denial of it . And to adde that it is no where said that they shall live for ever but that incorruption seems to be the priviledge of the Elect , is sure but another branch of the same paralogisme , for they that are tormented for ever have sence and life for ever , but that being a life of misery eternal hath no semblance of the priviledge of the Elect , whose Crown it is to live and reign , not to live and be punisht for ever . And so this yields not the least mite of advantage to the former opinion . Now for the phrases 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Mat. 18.8 . & 25.41.48 . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Mat. 25.46 . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Mar. 3.29 . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Mar. 9.43.44 . & 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . v. 45.46.48 . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . 2. Pet. 2.17 . Jud. 13. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ▪ Revel . 14 ▪ 11. and the lake of fire and brimstone , where the beast and the prophet shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever . Revel . 20.10 . All these are endeavour'd to be evacuated first by a general Answer ; then by particulars accommodated to each particular phrase . The general is , that the phrase [ 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 & 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ] do not alwaies signify an absolute eternity , but either a long time , or an irreparable estate of things , or during unto the cessation of the subject . And without disputing the truth of this answer , it will be sufficient to my turn , if either some of these phrases do sometimes signify an absolute eternity , for then I shall have no reason to except against the Interpretation of the universal Church of God for so many Centuries , which thus understand all , unquestionably most , of these places ; or if they here denote an irreparable state of those things that are spoken of ; for then the wicked being cast into fire , are in that state irreparably , Math. 18 . 8.25.4● . being in eternal punishment , Math. 25.41 . are irreparably there , and so in the rest ; which notion of eternal would never mind any man of the annihilation of those that are enter'd on such eternal flames or punishments . As for the testimonies from Deut. 15.17 . Ps . 37.29 . and 14.6 . they are all necessarily interpreted by the matter of them to refer to certain finite periods , either of the man's life and capacity , either of serving , or enjoying the earthly Canaan in the two former places , or to the end of this World , as the last of them , but no way prejudices the proper use of the words for absolute eternity , when the matter so requires , as I suppose it doth , whensoever it speaketh of a duration which is to commence at the end of this life or world of ours , as when eternal life is mention'd , the disputer will acknowledg ; and yet with no more reason then I can render for interpreting eternal punishment to this sence . But because the Objecter depends not on this his general Answer , let us descend to the particulars : And first that of everlasting fire . Mat. 18.8 . and 25.41.48 . Jud. 7. Here Jud. 7. is added over and above those places which were even now produced for this phrase , and on purpose , it seems , as a decoy to draw all the rest into the net . For herein is the answer founded , that the last of those Iud. 7. is by most Divines not understood to speak of the fire of Hell , but of that fire whereby their cities were destroy'd , which was only a deigma of hell fire , and so 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 shall not signify eternal burning , but utter destruction , to which is added the consideration of a question , which may be made from Mat. 8.29 whither the Devils themselves , for whom eternal fire was prepar'd , be yet cast into it , who are said Iud. 6. and 2. Pet. 2.4 . to be but prisoners , and so not yet under the execution of their doom . To all this I answer , First , that if the suggestion be true , that such is the judgment of most Divines ( which I acknowledg to have been mine own formerly , but have changed it since ) concerning that place Iud. 7. and their authority deem'd by him that urgeth it worth the heeding ▪ then is the more united consent of all Catholick interpreters , none excepted , for the notion of the same phrase in all other places of far greater authority for the admitting the eternity of that fire which is asserted in them : and if by those other places the Article be establish'd , I shall not need contend for ( nor should ever have produc'd ) that one place of Iude , because some Interpreters , and even mine owne former doubting of that one , can be no prejudice to their consent with me for the many other , any one of which if it truly conclude the eternity of hell fire , is as good as a thousand . But then , Secondly , as I do not consent this to have been the judgment of most Divines , which is said to be ; so I now upon better consideration of the Context , see no reason that could induce me or any to make that , so as to reject the more literal interpretation . That Sodom and Gomorrah , and the Cities about them signify the inhabitants of those Cities , is apparent there by their being affirm'd to have given themselves over to fornication , which sure not the walls but the inhabitants did : and then sure those that suffer'd the vengeance of eternal fire , and therein are set forth for an example or essay , what we Christians following the like sins are to expect , are not the Wals but the Inhabitants also . By the way , it is not the praeter tense or sence , or in the aorist , ( as when of the Angels v. 6. it is said they kept not but left , and of these 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 having given themselves over to fornication ) but in the present 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 suffering , either as not at all looking back in this part of the period to their destruction on earth by fire and brimstone , or else as to a lasting judgment then began , but still continuing upon them without any release ; they still suffer that vengeance of fire which withall is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 also , never likely to have an end . So no good firm ground is there in this Interpretation , which I remember I had long since out of Socinus , but is not , that I know of , the resolution of most Divines . As for the question whither the Devils are yet cast into eternal Hell , there will be no need of discussing it here , because if for God's wise and just ends they are not so confin'd thither , as after the judgment , when there is no farther place for those ends , they shall be , yet still the soules of the men of Sodom may now suffer in that fire , and the Devils that are ty'd to their dark prison ( which appears not to be any other place but that Hell , where the spirits of wicked men are ) be ready at hand to torment them . Having clear'd this place , it followes , that as yet no least probability is produc'd how 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in other places should signify any thing else but eternal torments of them that are cast into it , and the Section that follows at the top of p. 8. hath nothing in it that exacts return , for if the fire of hell be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 then it burns everlastingly , and if they that are in it suffer the judgment of eternal fire , then they must be eternal also , and that is here affirm'd and Rev. 20.10 . As for the four considerations that next follow to evacuate the belief of eternal torments being signify'd by eternal Fire , 't is certain they have no shew of force in them severally ; and then joyntly they will have as little . For 1. If the word Fire ( in that phrase 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ) be a Metaphor , as indeed it is not deem'd to be the same with our culinary fire , and it differs from it in that it enlightens not , but leaves the place dark where 't is , yet still it may be really fire to all other the punitive effects , and no doubt it is so in respect of burning and scorching and tormenting , or else the Scripture would not so oft affirm it of it . 2ly , If the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 do not primarily or perpetually signify everlasting , yet 't is not once found in the new Testament to signify otherwise : the place Jude . 7. is the only place pretended , and that hath bin competently vindicated . 3. Though Fire be a destructive thing , yet it is not able to annihilate by any its natural force , and besides it is a cruciating thing , and thus was it in the valley of Hinnom , from which the Fire of Hell takes its denomination , and thus the beast and the false prophet are said to be tormented day and night for ever and ever in it , and then sure 't is neither Expression nor Instrument of annihilating destruction . 4. If everlasting fire be oppos'd to life Mat. 18.8 . yet this ingages it not , no nor inclines it to signify utter destruction ▪ but the most unhappy cruciating state which is more contrary to happy life then absolute annihilation would be , as hath formerly been shew'd ; And therefore though everlasting Fire should be granted to signify everlasting destruction , ( as with any propriety it cannot , Fire being the Instrument of destruction , not destruction it self ) yet in that case everlasting destruction would reasonably signify as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 eternall perdition doth 2. Thes . 1.9 . and of that we have already given account , that it signifies notorious judgments here concluding in the flames of Hell , and that it no way signifies or infers annihilation , but the contrary to the joyes of a blissful life , i. e. the paines of Hell. For the rendring this phrase more applicable to the desir'd notion , 't is thought fit to compare it with another like phrase 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Mar. 9.43 , 44 , 45. as that is rendred , that shall not nor never shall be quenched ; of which 't is suggested , that it necessarily signifies no more , then that that Fire shall not go out , till the matter or fewel of it be consumed or destroyed , and thus 't is used Isay 66.24 . and that this appears to be the importance of our Saviours meaning , from other places Mat. 3.12 . Luk. 3.17 . where t is applied to the chaff and Tares which admit no everlasting duration in the Fire , but are very capable of utter destruction . To all this I answer , 1. That there is no such affinity between 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 & 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , that one should regulate the notion of the other ; when they are applyed to divers matters , one to the burning of chaff , tother to the punishing of wicked men . Or if there be , it may as reasonably hold , that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 should be interpreted by 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ; and in order to that , the chaff and tares interpreted of wicked men , which are know'n to be figuratively expressed by them , as that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 should be regulated by 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , and so wicked men thought in the same manner to be consum'd by the fire , as the chaff and tares are . 2ly , That for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 if it be granted that it necessarily signifies no more then that the Fire shall not go out , till the fewel of it be destroyed , yet 1. it as fairly followes , then it may ( when the context requires ) very conveniently signify more ; and that 2ly There will be no ground of doubt , whither when 't is applyed to those who are affirm'd to be tormented in a Lake of Fire day and night for ever and ever i. e. to wicked men it shall not signify this more , viz. eternal burning . 3. for the place of Isaiah , I shall appeal to antient interpreters ; not only whither it may , but whither it do not , signify eternal fire , or that which is not extinguished for ever . Procopius , I suppose , hath on this prophesie as great a reputation among learned men as any ; I shall give you his sence , that the Prophet in the conclusion of the Prophesy speaks of the Saints of God 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , &c. Shall pass into the most eminent heavenly City , the mansion set apart for the kingdome of God , where they shall be for ever serving God , placed under the great high priest , and they shall all see the destruction of the wicked , and think what good things they have lost by despising God. Is. 1. Whom they shall behold 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 placed far off from them , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . You see his sence of the words , which undoubtedly they will bear , as the description of the final reward of the pious believing Jewes and Heathens on one side , and of the impious obdurate on the other . And if , as he tells us , some will have it understood as a prediction of the Jewes destruction by the Romans , which were 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , yet still this interpretation is founded in the supposition , that the worme that dyeth not , and the fire that is not quenched , signifyed an undying punishment , and as such is us'd to signify in prophetick stile that which is next degree to absolute eternal ; pursuing the Jewes wheresoever they are to be met with , without any the least mitigation or mercy . 4ly , For the use of the same words Matth. 3. and Luk. 3. of the chaff and tares , 't is sufficient to say that , those parabolical expressions being undoubtedly set to denote the wicked , the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , which properly signifies that which never is or shall be quenched , being applyed to the tares in the parable , but to the wicked in the application of the parable , must be allotted such a notion in either , as the matter requires ; and so though spoken of Tares , it be not taken in its full amplitude of signification , but in that inferior degree which is competible to the burning of Tares or chaff to ashes ; yet being applyed to the wicked , the thing signifyed by those tares , it may still abide in its full amplitude , and signify the tormenting and not consuming , and so the everlastingnesse of that Fire . And indeed if it be argumentative in the disputer , that chaff admits no everlasting duration in the Fire , from which it may be deem'd conclusible that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 applyed to that , is not unquenchable fire , then it will be as well worth observing that wicked men are capable of everlasting duration in Fire , and therefore 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 applyed to them ( as it is Mar. 9.43 , 44 , 45. signifies everlasting Fire . Next for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , that that may be reconciled with the objecters notion , He notes first , The opposition of it to everlasting life , Matth. 25.45 . which may incline it to signify everlasting death . 2. That 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doth not by absolute necessity signify everlasting . 3. That 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doth not necessarily signify tormenting punishment but may be understood of a privative punishment , and then death being a punishment , ever lasting death may be truly cald everlasting punishment . To these I answer , to the first , that the opposition to everlasting availes nothing ; everlasting life being undoubtedly everlasting bliss , and then everlasting misery is most directly opposite to that . To the Second , That 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 spoken of that which begins after the day of judgment must denote such a duration as is proportionable to the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 following that , as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 spoken in relation to any other age , whither to the year of Jubilee , or the age of the Jewish state , or the age of this world simply or the Christian age , must be commensurate to that age to which it refers , and therefore 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 there , being consequent to the judgment of the great day described in that Chapter , must in all reason be of the same duration as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the same place . To the third that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 generally signifies positive punishment , not mulct , as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and perhaps 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doth ; however the reason cannot hold , that if death be a punishment then eternal death may be truly cald everlasting punishment , because though death should inferre annihilation wherein there is nothing , ergò no punishment , yet Death it self is something , and is joyned with real paines as well as privations : but of those or any other reality the state of annihilation is not capable ; and then to say everlasting punishment , though that were supposed to signify no more then everlasting poena damni , yet must it be founded in everlasting being , for no man can be punished everlastingly by deprivation of bliss that hath not a being at all , to be thus capable of devesting or deprivation : for non entis nulla est affectio . But to this it is replied , that the text saith not the wicked shall be everlastingly punished , but they shall go into a punishment , and that punishment shall be everlasting ; and such is everlasting death . To this I answer ; that there is no ground of this distinction in the Text , which saith together , they shall depart into everlasting punishment which is certainly the very form that would be used , if the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 were designed to be never so positively punitive , if it were into the furnace of fire , where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth . Secondly , 't is replyed , that a man may suffer or be punished by that which he doth not actually feel , and many attempts are made for the proof of this . But it is sufficient in a word to say , that none of the proofs come home to the state of annihilation whereof only our question is . A mad man or fool may suffer though they discern it not ; a dead man , who is not annihilated but lives in his better part , may suffer in his memory , children , friends here ; much more while he lives may he without folly desire to avert such sufferings , but he that is not , is not capable of any of these : and if I were sure , that to morrow I should be nothing , no real consideration of my self ( but either present care of others good , or perhaps irrational phansy ) would incite me to make any provision for after that morrow . So again privation of possible felicity is to any one that hath being a real punishment , because he is a looser , though not sensible of what he hath lost ; but to him that is not , 't is an absolute nullity , and were a man sure to be annihilate , the fear of this were unreasonable , for that time when he should be nothing , and the only thing that renders it reasonable now is because he hath a being , and hopes to continue it , or ( whatsoever he is seduced to believe to the contrary ) yet still he desires it , and as long as he hath life , may well desire , and cannot choose but wish all the accomplishments and even images of it : and at once fear the loss of life , and all felicities which either do or may accompany life . But still this man's being subject to this fear , because capable of the causes of it , is no proof of his being punished , who is supposed not to be : he that hath a being , and desires the continuance of it , suffers when he looseth it ; but he that hath no being , is not to be esteemed by these measures , any more then he that hath never yet been , is this day punished by not being created , or conceived till to morrow . Nor to this is it any way consequent , as is objected , that the desire of everlasting life should not be a reasonable desire . For though it be reasonable to fear the privation of a reasonable desire , yet this fear is only incident to him that hath a being , and he that hath no being cannot have desire , how reasonable soever it is for him , that hath a being , to have it . The Sadduces had a being when they desir'd praise , and though they believed no immortality of souls , yet they believed durability of memory , and memory was a kind of image of life ; and they that despaired of the body might take some content in the shadow ; but even that a meer shadow and phansy too , which also would be at an end , whensoever their being were supposed to be so . So again the same Sadducee whilst he lived might fear death , because he enjoyed somewhat which he was unwilling to loose , and because death it self though it were thought to enter him on a state of nothingness , yet was it self something , both respectu sensus & damni . And beside the Sadducee could hardly be Sadducee enough in the point , so as not to have some fear of the contrary : however he still had a being , and was to be unwilling to loose it . But that having no being should be real punishment to him that is not , is above my comprehension . As to what is said in the objecter's person p. 10. at the beginning , that if he believed annihilation , he would yet as much fear the punishment , as he desires everlasting life , I shall grant it on this presumption ; that he now believes he shall enjoy everlasting life : but then he that thus desires and fears , is supposed to exist , and to him 't is granted that deprivations are penal ; and again , though he would fear that , yet sure he would never fear 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the notion of eternal sensible punishments and scorchings of fire . I know not whether all that I have said of the nature of the privative punishments be maturely said or no , as non entis non est affectio , so I have alwaies found it hard to satisfy my self concerning any thing of that which is not . Only I rest my self in this , that my mistake , if it be such , is sure of so nice a making , that I cannot my self discern it , and therefore it is not to be imagined that the truth of Christ's speech should hang on so weak a string as it must , if by 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Christ meant no more then eternal deprivation of being . For if that which is not , cannot be eternally punished , how can the wicked be said to depart to eternal punishment when they are annihilated ? For everlasting judgment I acknowledg it signifies no more then the former imported ; and so is to be concluded by the discourse on that . 'T is the adjudging to a state which shall last to all eternity , or a sentence , wherein the eternity of him that is judged , is concern'd . Next for their worme never dying , I have three things to add , First , that the worm in dead bodies devoureth very slowly and leasurely , and so is as fit as any thing could have been to express lingring torments . Secondly , that the worm devoureth not the whole body , the bones and firmer pars are not liable to her malice ; and so 't is most unfit to express utter annihilation of the whole . Thirdly , that the worm being peculiar to dead and putrified bodies , is a most lively representation of gnawings and miseries after death ; and then when instead of mortal worms , which are the only instruments of gnawing on dead bodies , there is somewhat else threatned by Christ , which is fit to be expressed by the style of an immortal worm , nothing could have been more adaequate for the expressing the eternity of torments in hell ; those especially of a gnawing tormenting conscience , which , if it be but the conjecture of Divines , is , as appears , a very probable conjecture . Of the meaning of the place in the Prophet Is . 66.24 . I have formerly spoken , and acknowledg'd it the fountain from which our Saviour Mar. 9. derived it , but have shewed how little is gain'd from thence toward prooving it a present , because a visible , destruction . Abraham is supposed to behold Dives in hell , but that proves not that Dives his punishmens were present of this world . Procopius hath shewed , how the pious in heaven might behold the punishments of the wicked in another world , and in what sence to be said to come forth to worship before the Lord , and go forth , and look &c. And indeed if it be unquestionable , that in Christ's speech the future miseries of the wicked are thus express'd ( as the disputer himself yields ) there can be no difficulty to understand the words so in Isaiah also . If therefore the place in Isaiah , so referred to the future torments of the wicked after the day of judgment ; if the expression of future punishment by fire and worms , proportionable to the several customs of disposing dead bodies by interring and burning , was frequent among the Jews ( as the disputer grants to the force of the other Texts which Grotius quotes ) if the addition of the never quench't fire take away all ambiguities imaginable in the worm , and incline it more strongly to those punishments which are elsewhere express'd by eternal fire : and if they , to whom Christ spake , the Jews which generally agreed to the Pharisees opinion of the eternity of another life , so understood the phrase , and Christ speaking agreeable to their opinion and interpretations of Isaiah , gave no least cause of conjecture or imagination , that he meant the words in any other sence , then it was sure they would understand him ; what cause of doubting can remain in this matter ? None certainly from the subsequent words , v. 49. for adhering to that interpretation of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for consumption of the sacrifice , as in the Holocausts , to which the wicked are fitly compared , there follows no more , then that the whole of the wicked , bodies and souls shall like the Holocaust be cast into the Fire , and burnt , or destroyed there ; but in what sence of destruction , whither in that of annihilation , ( which is not competible to the holocausts , and wherein 't is never found to be taken in the Sacred dialect when the Heavens are said to vanish or melt , as Salt Is . 51.6 . this is not for the Heavens to be annihilated , and the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 used for vestimenta detrita seu evanida , Jer. 38.11 . were not annihilated ) or in the other , having lost all the advantageous parts and effects of life , and being engaged in a most sad estate far worse then not being , is not so much as intimated in the phrase , any farther then by the conjunction thereof with the Eternal never dying Worme and Fire , it is reasonably to be interpreted ; and that is quite contrary to the disputers interests . Next then for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Jude 13. 2 Pet. 2.17 . there is no pretence that it should in these places be meant for death any more then 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is 2 Pet. 2.4 . It signifies the sad uncomfortablenesse of that state , which , being in respect of the torments expres'd by Fire in other places , hath not yet the one comfort of ordinary Fire belonging to it , viz. lightsomnesse , but contrariwise 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , as durable as the flames . The Texts produced Job . 10.21 , 22. 1 Sam. 2.9 . Eccl. 11.8 . Ps . 88.7 , 11 , 12. Job . 17.13 . Eccl. 6.14 . are Pertinent to prove what they designed , that darknesse denotes the State after this life : but that no way prejudices the use of it for a positive state and not that of annihilation : for for that 't is not used in any of those places . Yet that it shall not here be taken in that sence which in those places belongs to it there are these reasons , 1. Because the New Testament most explicitely affirming a resurrection from that Old Testaments darknesse ; doth yet threaten this 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , which therefore must commence after the resurrection , and so cannot be that death from whence men rise in the resurrection , of which those Old Testament places were understood . 2ly , Because in the same Chapter 2 Pet. 2.4 . 't is said of Angels 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , where 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 being applied to Angels , it cannot signifie that death , as if 't were applied to living men , it might . 2. Being joyn'd with chaines , it thereby seems to signifie some positive state , but especially 3. Being joyn'd with 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 it must denote that state , which all sorts of men , Heathens , as well as Jewes and Christians , understood by Tartarus , that sure is a place of suffering after death . 3ly . Because though there be no further mention then of the privative part of Hell , in the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , yet in the other places of the N. T. where the same is mentioned under the name of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , the utter or utmost darkness , the farthest recession from lightsome or blisfull life imaginable , there is joyned with it weeping and gnashing of Teeth , Matt. 8.12 . and 22.13 . and 25.30 . which sufficiently differenceth it from the notion for death . As for the places in the Revelation , it is granted to be reasonable to interpret them according to prophetick style , and not exact them to strict literal interpretation ; accordingly as Jer. 7.20 . and Is . 34. 4.10 . signifie utter final vastations , ( as appeares by their smoak going up for ever and ever , lying wast and none passing through it , from generation to generation , for ever and ever , and the not quenching of Gods wrath , but burning upon man and upon beast ) so where the like circumstances either inforce , or but incline , the interpretation of passages in the Revelation , I shall make no scruple to yield , as Revel . 18.18 . speaking there of the ruine of Babylon 't is most reasonable to interpret to that sence the smoak of her burning , by her meaning that great City in the end of the verse , and so again chap. 19.3 . her smoak rose up for ever and ever , Heathen Rome was destroyed , so as never to be rebuilt again ; there is nothing in the context's that inclines to any more then this . But then for Rev. 14.9 , 10 , 11. I cannot thus yield . There , to deter all from yielding to Idolatry in the least degree , worshipping the beast and his image &c. the intermination goes out thus , if any man shall do thus vers . 9. the same shall drink &c. vers . 10. where the bitter wine of God mixt , unmixt in the cup of his wrath , is properly such a vengeance as hath 1. No mixture or allay of mercy . 2. All the embittering spices added to it , and so fitly signifies deprivation of life and all that is precious here , and very much more of bitterness after it . And this is further inforced by their being ( not consumed ) but tormented with Fire and Brimstone ( not here as Sodom was in the presence of men , but ) in the presence of the Holy Angels , and in the presence of the Lamb. i. e. by the sentence of Christ with his assembly of Angels in judgment , and so vers . 11. the smoak ( not simply as Rev. 19.3 . nor of their burning or consuming as in Isay it was , but ) of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever ; and they have no rest day nor night ( quite contrary to death whereby men rest from their labours , and to annihilation much more , which is a perfect cessation and that eternal , as opposite as was possible to having no rest day nor night ) so chap. 19.20 . where 't is said of the beast and the false prophet , the Roman Idolatry and Magick &c. ( i. e. ) the eminent supporters of the former by Magick and auguries , the principal factors for the holding up the Heathen Worship , Apollonius Tyanaeus &c. ( See note on Rev. 13. g.h.i.k. ) that they were cast alive into a Lake burning with Fire and Brimstone , the meaning in all reason must be , that they were from this life sentenced to be cast into exquisite torments , not that they were utterly destroy'd or consumed , but as infallibly removed to that place of Torments , as if they had gon down quick Bodies and Soules together into Hell. Here indeed is nothing said of the perpetuity of those Torments , but that is expresly set down chap. 20.10 . not only as far as concernes the Divel that was to bear them company , and was cast into the Lake where they are ( which by the way must either inferre that the Divels who are not deemed to enter on their full punishment till the day of Doom , shall then also be annihilated , or that the wicked who are then in the same condition with the Divels shall not be consumed or annihilated ) but particularly as to them 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Beast and the Prophet shall be tormented for ever and ever . And if you shall demand , why I said not this thus particularly in the Paraphrase and Annotations on the places of the Revelation ? I answer that it was not agreeable to my design on that Book , which was only to set down the grand lines and branches of that obscure Prophetick Writing , and not more nicely to descend to every minute expression in it . Where it is said pag. 12. l. 8. That to apply any passages in the Revel . to that which is to follow after the last judgment , is not so Prophetical and therefore not so probable a sence ; I answer that all that is future ( as surely all that followes the last judgment is ) may well be ingredient in a Prophecy and so in this probably enough , if either speaking of vengeance on wicked men this be added over and above their visible portion ( for that sure is very fit in a Christian Prophecy , when wicked men oft thrive very prosperously here , 'till the day of full iniquity and their accounts comes , and then they die oft but as other men , and would not deterr any man from following their steps , if we were not admonisht that after death they must meet with a dismal Portion ) or speaking of the end of the World and the day of doom , the several allotments of men be there seasonably mention'd also , as we see it is in Rev. 20.12 , 13 , 14 , 15. As for the last reserve , that if the punishment here described be to be understood of that which followes the last Judgment , yet no expression used in any of those Texts doth necessarily signifie an absolute eternity of positive Torments ; I answer that undoubtedly some do . I instance in Rev. 20.10 : as it hath been formerly inlarged on , ( day and night for ever and ever expresseth an absolute eternity , as much as any words of man can do ; 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ) doth plainly denote positive torments , and referring peculiarly to a rack , doth thereby denote the kind of positive torments to be such , as are not designed to ending the life , but to continuing it in great paines , for so we know the Rack is among men . Now for the exceptions to Rev. 20.10 . I must adde somewhat . 1. 't is suggested that that seems not to be spoken of the last final judgment . I grant it is not , but of the houre of death , whereon I suppose those wicked mens Soules cast into the Fire of Hell , and never rescued from thence , till Body and Soul together at the day of doom being joyned in those torments , they are shut up thither to all eternity . Secondly , 'T is suggested that it seems not to be meant of Hell ( i. e. ) Gehenna , into which none were ever cast alive i. e. before the first death . To this I answer , that to be cast alive into Hell is a phrase like to that of going down quick into Hell , used of them whom the earth swallowed up . Wherein 't is more then possible that such notorious sinners might go , Bodies and Soules together , to Hell , without any previous separation by death ; by the same analogy whereby we believe that Enoch and Elias went up , bodies and souls , into heaven without seeing death ; and whereby we believe the same of those that shall be found alive at Christ's coming , both wicked and Godly . But then , secondly , if this be not certain enough to be adhered to , then the phrase will signify as suddenly and really to be cast into those Flames , and there to be tormented , as they could be imagin'd to be , if bodies and souls together , they should be cast alive thither ; and so this is a direct prejudice to the sleeping of their souls , or receiving any interval of rest from their passing out of this life , and their entring into the torments of hell . Of the places in the Apocalypse some things are added , to the taking off from their force . First , a desperation of any certain understanding of that book . To which I answer , that 't is but a panick and popular fear , which is the author of that desperation , and keeping men from the study of it , makes it necessarily unintelligible ; whereas First , there be many repeted passages of Christ in it , designed on purpose to excite men to the studying of it . Secondly , there are evident characters , which serve as keyes to the understanding of it , and nothing but the seeking and fancying depths and mysteries in it , hath made it so mysterious : the meaning nearest to literal , and such , as by comparing it with other prophecies , appears to be the one prophetical signification of each passage , will be found to be the truest ; and they that strein higher , and seek farther off , to find what was never intended by the inspirer , or the Amanuensis , are the men that have made this Prophecy obscure , which would otherwise be as perspicuous as any one of the greater Prophets of the Old Testament . Secondly , when 't is suggested , that the places for interminable paines are but two or three , and those opposed to as many hundreds , which are to be alleaged against this sence ; I answer , that as few or as many as they are , ( it matters not for number , one affirmation of God's will establish a truth ) First , they accord with many others in writings not obscure or prophetick . Secondly , there is no one ( much less many hundreds ) producible to the contrary sence , as hath hitherto appeared by examining all such as were pretended to be opposite , but were found very reconcileable with the sence . Thirdly , when the obscurity of the writer is again mentioned , that hath been already spoken to on the first place . Concerning the reasons which are used to secure the places for eternal life for to signify that , though eternal torments be not allowed to be properly eternal , I have little to say , because I fully acknowledg that importance of the word eternal , whether to blisse or wo. And I think it hath already appeared , that there are not these reasons of difference between them as now are mentioned . For , first , as there are no texts in the Gospel which seem to oppose the absolute sence of eternity in the promises , so those that were thought to seem to oppose the absolute eternity of the threats , having been brought to tryal have been found very light ; and , secondly , the doctrine of eternal torments truly stated and vindicated from the mistakes by men introduced into the doctrine , hath appeared most credible also to those that believe the Gospel ; and as necessary to God's justice as he is Rector of the Universe , and as agreeable to his goodness , who earnestly averts their dying that will needs dy , as the eternal promises are reconcileable to all the attributes of God. Thirdly , that as there are negatives that irrefragably confirme the truth of the article concerning eternal life , so there are affirmatives and negatives both ( each is therefore is not quenched ) that as irrefragably establish the truth of the doctrine of eternal torments . As for the Philosophical doctrine of the immortality of the soul , I yield it can import no more , then either it s not being corruptible from any outward principles , nor destructible from any created power ; I yield it ( for all that ) destructible by God , but have formerly answered how that place Mat. 10.28 . hath nothing to do with his will or purpose to annihilate it . Lastly , as for tradition , as that signifies the suffrages of all the men in the world , Heathens of all sorts , Jews of all sects , Mahometans , Christians heretical as well as orthodox , it matters not though this doctrine be not deduced by such absolutely universal tradition . I yield that many Heathens there were that believed it not , that the Sadduces denyed it , that the Jews now adaies care for none but themselves , and so make no provision for other men , that there have been Origenist Hereticks , and some such as Augustine mentions Enchir : c. 12● de civit : Dei. l. 21. cap. 17.18 . ( 't is no newes that there should have been false teachers and believers in the world . ) But that Augustine , who is confest frequently to assert the doctrine , and frequently to defend it against adversaries , should yet be believed to doubt , lib. de serm . Dom. in mont . tom . 4 super Mat. 5.25.26 . I am not apt to give heed to it . Because , first , if the same Augustine should be so uncertain and unconstant , he were little worth heeding on either side . Secondly , there would be reason to resolve , that the place , where the doubting is found , was either not written by him , who wrot elsewhere so contrarily , or were written by him before he had competently considered the grounds , whereon afterwards he establisheth his acknowledgments of the truth . But the truth is , I discern not how those words [ neque ita hoc dixerim , ut diligentiorem tractationem videar ademisse , de poenis peccatorum quomodo in Sacris dicantur aeternae ] should be interpreted , so as to express him a doubter in this matter . In other circumstances he might well give men liberty of expression , yet himself never have the least suspicion or doubt of the truth of the main Article . It remains therefore that the Scripture , as that hath been found consonant and agreeable to all other places of its self , and as it hath been interpreted by all learned Orthodox men of all ages , and as from the Apostles time to this day their doctrine hath been delivered down in the Creed of the Apostles , and other occasional explications thereof , doth as evidently affirm the eternity of the torments of the wicked on the one side , as the eternity of the joyes and bliss of the Godly on the other side ; and that as far as the Catholick Church in all ages hath extended , in opposition to the heterodox and haeretical , so far the tradition of this Article for eternal pains is universal , and therefore in no reason to be doubted of by a meek Son of this persecuted Church , which professeth readily and uniformly to receive all Catholick Tradition , truly so call'd , as that includes the writings and preachings of the Apostles . Having gone thus far , and at last arrived to the conclusion , in the same posture ( with some intermissions ) of the Chair , wherein the Gout had fastned me ; I now find the use of my foot return'd again , and so take my leave of this paper and my chair together , and by the length of it suppose I have your full leave so to do . When you have survey'd it as deliberately as you desire , I desire that you will return mine own to me , not weighing too severely what was written thus hastily . But remember , if any one text of Scripture , or testification of the Churches sence of all times ( including the Apostles ) be producible , it is sufficient for the establishing this truth , though many passages produced , or defences made for the farther confirming of it , should not be found rigorously Concludent or Demonstrative . The God of Heaven , Author of all Grace and Truth be now and ever with you . SIR IN your account of the eternity of infernal punishments you make them consist in the persevering appetition and aversation of those things ( then impossible to be obteined or avoided ) which formerly in via men have desired and averted . To this stating of this matter much what the like with Sr Ken : Digbies and Mr Whites , I have more to object then is fit for a Letter . Some few heads of Exceptions I shall briefly note to you . First , I see not how this agrees with the nature of the judgment to come : the giving and executing a sentence upon wicked men . This we are every where taught in Scripture and our Creed : But your stating , which only leaves men with those desires and aversions wherein they lived here , and so die , without sentencing them to any other punishment but what they thus bring with them , and so is already inflicted on them , and needs no Devils to execute it , seems not reconcileable herewith . Secondly , the Matter of this sentence is express'd in Scripture to be a lake of Fire and Brimstone , into which they are cast , which must be a very strange figurative expression , if it signify no more then their own voluntary acts , appetitions , and aversations . Thirdly , it is manifest , that those diseases which precede many Men's deaths , do change their appetitions and aversations . The luxurious Man on his sick Bed hath not those vehement desires of Weomen , delicate meats , &c. which he had in his health : Why then should I think that after Death his appetites , of what he desir'd in via , viz. in his life and health , should continue to him ? Nay , 4. When Souls are divested of those Bodies which were the necessary Instruments , and also the fomenters of those carnall sins ; and again when the body before its re-union is so chang'd as not to be sustein'd , as in via it is by eating and drinking , 't is not imaginable it should retain those natural desires which in via it had : And when they no more marry in Hell then Heaven , and are as equal to evill Angels , as the Saints in Heaven are to good ones , and the natural end of all carnal desires ceasing ; it is not imaginable God should continue those desires to them for ever . Or if any should so conceive , many strange wild consequences unfit to name , would be equally probable & equally unimaginable . 5. By this stating , the losse of Heaven will from hence only be penal , that Men desir'd Heaven in via , or judg'd it fit to be desired . And if so , it will be no punishment to them that never thought of it at all , as infidels , or despised it ( as they did all spirituall joyes , and thought it not worth desiring ) as they that placed all their appetites on carnall and material pleasures ; which are the worst sort of men , who in consequence hereunto must be least punisht in Hell poena damni . Having said thus much against your Scheme , I owe my self the pains of adding a word or too for the defence of the way that I have us'd in the Practical Catechisme , viz. by considering the option given to us by God , wherein you seem to me not to have observ'd that , on which the chiefe weight of my account was design'd to lie . That God propos'd to Men life and death , blessing and cursing , eternal joyes and eternall paines , as the Rector of the Universe ; I take for granted ; and so do you , as an Article of our Faith : So that of the an sit the question is not , but considering the transitory short pleasures of sin , the onely question is , How eternal paines are with any justice proportion'd to them : and to that the answer is , Not that they are proportion'd to them , but that there is no need they should be , because God having propos'd the joyes of Heaven , and ( much more ) immunity from these paines upon termes put absolutely in our power , it is meerly our own fault , not imputable to the decree of God , if we fall under those hardest paines . The extremity of which was primarily design'd , as by all prudent Lawgivers punishments are , to deter men from those sins which are fenced with so thorny an hedge ; not that they may be inflicted on any , but that all may be kept innocent : and in this sence 't is ordinarily observ'd , that the everlasting Fire which is threatned men , was prepar'd for the Devil and his Angels . Yet when such threats are entred into those lawes , whereby the Universe is governed ; it is just and reasonable that they should be also actually perform'd on the disobedient : else it were as good , nay better to all political ends , that they had never been made or promulgate . And if still , when they come to be inflicted , they appear to be hard , or above the proportion of the offence , there are yet other wayes of superseding that exception beside the evacuating the decree : viz. The several branches , of the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 all which the Gospel hath provided in this matter . First , That those which wee could not ( either by Physical or moral possibility ) avoid , should not be charg'd upon us to this condemnation , as Original sinne ; sinnes of Weaknesse , Ignorance , sudden surprise , Indeliberation , &c. Secondly , That know deliberate voluntary sinnes , if timely retracted by repentance , Humiliation , Confession , change of mind shall not fall under it . Thirdly , That God gives sufficient grace to avoid all willful sin , and again sufficient grace to repent , when it hath been committed ; and inflicts it not till he sees men go on obstinately , and that they will not repent . Fourthly , That he calls , and warns , and importunes them to consult their own safety , to make use of his grace timely , and not obstinately to harden their hearts against their own mercy , and so to perish in despight of mercy . Fiftly , That he offers not only deliverance from these torments , but over and above , eternal joyes upon so easy termes of so moderate nay desireable performances , that they which will neglect so great Salvation propos'd to them , with so many advantages and concurrence of all rationall motives ; and finally make so mad a choice as to take Hell as it were by violence , cannot but be thought worthy to take their portion in that lake be it never so punitive and endless : Because though in respect of that one sinne ( the short pleasure that comes in to them by sin compar'd with intensive endlesse flames ) there is no proportion , yet 1. In respect of their obstinacy and unexcusablenesse . 2. In respect of God's tendernesse , using all wise means of moderating the rigour of his Law by the Gospel ( though not by utter abrogating his Lawes , which becomes not either a just or wise Lawgiver , or Rector of the Universe ) all shew of Injustice is remov'd : particularly by the second taken alone , ( much more in union with the first and third ) the rule being owned by all rationall men volenti non fit injuria , be the evill never so great , 't is just they should have it , that finally make it their choice , ( so doth the persevering Impenitent ) and that not only an hasty passionate choice as Nero's Mother's , Occidat modò imperet , ( which yet Historians observe to have brought her death justly upon her ) but a deliberate , stanch , obstinate constant choice , when their Creator , and Redeemer , and Sanctifyer have us'd all prudent probable meanes to gaine them to better counsels and choices , but all in vain , they die because they will die : When yet they are oft warn'd ( and expostulated with ) of the irrationalnesse of that will or choice . 'T is true , when they come to suffer their own choices , they are far from liking them ( as Xiphilin observ'd of Neroe's Mother in the foremention'd case ) and then 't is likely would fly from them , call to the mountaines to cover them from the wrath of the Lamb : But their choices being primarily terminated in the pleasant sinnes , and but consequentially in the paines annexed to them by God's Law , 't will be as unreasonable that they which have chosen the former should be freed from the latter , as that he that hath bought a Commodity at a price , and bound himself to a day of payment , should , after he hath enjoy'd and spent the Commodity , be excus'd from paying the price of it by pretending it was not really worth so much , when it appears by his bargaine that he himself thus valued it , and willingly took it at this price , and hath now chang'd his mind on no other consideration , but because the enjoyment , for which alone he valued it , is past , and none but the payment behind , which consider'd by it self , every man acknowledges to be the ungrateful part ; and so he did when yet on intuition of the more pleasant he made choice of it . I have thus far enlarg'd to give you a clearer view of the force of the option in this matter , then I can discerne you to have had of it ; and consequently to shew you the insufficiency of the reason on which you reject it , when you say , that upon this Hypothesis it should seem to be concluded , that eternal life is owing to Piety ex justitia . But to this I reply : 1. That it were no newes from St Paul's words [ That God the righteous Judge shall give the Crown of righteousnesse to all that keep the faith &c. ] to conclude that that Crown is some way due to Piety ex justitia . But then Secondly , My Argument from the Option hath no least need of so affirming , but becomes much the stronger the lesse that be affirm'd ; For the lesse rewardable in it selfe our Piety is , the more mercy and superabundant goodnesse it is in God thus to decree the rewarding it ; and the more undeserv'd that Mercy , and the easier the condition of it , the more Criminous is the guilt of those that despise and contemne it , and prefer sin , and impenitence , and eternal death before it . An Accordance OF St PAUL with St IAMES , in the great point of Faith and Works . By The most Learned , Reverend , and Pious Dr HENRY HAMMOND . OXFORD , Printed by H. HALL Printer to the University , for RIC : ROYSTON , and RI : DAVIS . 1665. Of Faith and Works . HE that saith with St Paul , a man is justified by faith and not by works , and to reconcile St James with St Paul , affirms , that good works are the effect of true faith , means either that true faith , where e're it is , is able to produce good works , though it do not alwaies actually produce them ; or else , that it actually and necessarily produceth them . If the former be his meaning , then I conceive it true in some degree , but not pertinent to his purpose of reconciling St. James with St. Paul , because faith may be able to produce them , and yet never actually produceth them ; and so the man that is supposed to be justiffied by faith , never be able to shew his works , which St. James requires of him , and consequently his faith be a dead faith , i. e. not able to justify . But if the latter be his meaning ; that true faith , wheresoever it is , actually and necessarily produceth good workes , I conceive it false ; yet can I not dispute against him in those termes , by instancing in any particular to the contrary . Because he hath a guard or hold for himself to fortify him against any assault , by affirming to any such instance of mine , where good workes were not produced , that that faith was not true faith ; which yet if he should be put to prove , he would have no other reason to confirm it , but only because it produceth not good works ; being ready , if it did produce good works , to acknowledg it true faith ; which how guilty it is of those two faults in disputing , circulus and petitio principii , I think is manifest to any . Yet being by this Sophism of his interdicted this way or proceed●ng , I have but one way of arguing left me ; first , to demand his definition of true faith , and whatsoever definition he gives , to prove that faith , in that notion of his , is the cause of good works , at the most , but as a man is the cause of a child , a true perfect , univocal cause of the effect , when the effect is produced ; but yet such a one , as might have suspended that action , by which it was produced , and so might have been as truly a man without the actual producing of that effect , as he is now , he hath produced it : that is , that faith is a rational or moral , not natural agent , working freely , not necessarily . To bring this operation to practise , I will suppose this definition of faith to be given me ( which by them that affirm good works to be an effect of faith is ordinarily given ) that it is a fiducial assent to the promises of Christ . Where that I may not mistake him , I must first demand , whether he conceives these promises , which are the object of his faith , to be absolute , or conditional . If he affirm them absolute , made to mens persons , or individual Entityes , without respect to their qualifications or demeanors , then surely that faith , which supposeth all kind of qualifications of the subject so unnecessary , will never so much as move me to produce good works , because I may as well be saved without them , the promises being supposed without condition ; and therefore he that affirms good works to avail nothing in the business of attaining to salvation , cannot , without contradicting himself , say , that his faith must necessarily produce good works , if it be a saving faith : for sure all that necessity proceeds from a believing , that without good works there is no salvation to be had ; which if it be not believed , that necessity ceaseth . But if he affirm the promises , which are the object of his faith , to be conditional , then I must ask , what he takes this condition to be , either faith alone , or good works alone , or faith and good works together : if faith alone , then ( beside the ridiculousness of that , in making the believing that I shall be saved , the only ground of my believing I shall be saved ) the former inconvenience recurrs again , that that faith which supposeth faith only to be a condition of the promises , will find good works as unnecessary , as that faith which suppos'd the promises to be absolute , and so will never incline me to them neither . If he affirm the condition of the promises to be good works alone ( I mean by good works all other graces besides faith , contrition , amendment of life , charity ▪ holynesse &c. ) then he acknowledgeth , that these good works are of themselves simply requir'd of a man that is , or will be a believer ; and so that they are no necessary effect of faith , for if they were , it would be enough to require faith alone , and they would undoubtedly follow without requiring . For I conceive it ridiculous to make the condition of an Indenture something that is necessarily annext to the possession of the demise . If he affirm faith and good works neither single , but both together to be the total adaequate condition of the promises , which St. Paul calls faith consummate by charity , St. James , faith made perfect by works , St. Paul again 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ( which certainly is the truth ) then first I must admonish him , that his fiducial assent , by which he defines faith , must not signify a believing with reliance , that he is one of them that shall be partakers of what is promised , which they are wont to call special faith , or particular application ; for that must either suppose them to have performed the condition , and so good works in them ( yea and faith ) must be before faith ; or else it is the believing confidently of a lye , it being absolutely false , that the thing promised belongs to any that hath not performed the condition . But his fiducial assent , if it be a tolerable definition of faith , must be ( answerable to the promises ) only this , a believing and relying conditional ; that he shall be partaker of what is promised , that is , a believing ( and depending on it ) that God will not fail him , if he fail not God ; that God will give him heaven , if he perform sincere obedience , and rely upon the gift of Christ , not on any merit of his obedience for the attaining of it . Now to say the truth , this fiducial assent thus express'd ( and none but this ) may truly be affirm'd to be a most powerful motive to me to produce good works ; but then it is as true , that it is as powerful a motive to me to rely on the gift of Christ , and so in that respect faith may be said to produce good works , faith may also be said to produce that which they call faith , i. e. the believing , that if I obey and rely , I shall be saved , is a motive thus to produce actual relying ; and in this sence I will acknowledg both ( if he , with whom I dispute , will thank me for it . ) But then , secondly , it follows not that that which is a powerful motive , is a cause necessarily producing , because that motive is but a moral motive , perswading not enforcing , and man by corruption , or by some prevailing temptation may resist that motive , and I think 't would be no Paradox to say , that some men have made no doubt of the truth of God's conditional promises , i. e. have verily perswaded themselves , that if they served God sincerely , they shall be saved , and yet quite neglected God's service : and if it be objected , that they want the fiduciall , though they have the assent , and that if they had the affiance , they would assuredly produce good works ; I answer , that by that affiance they mean either absolute assurance that they shall be saved , ( and that , if it be not an error , supposeth good works , if it be , produceth them not ) or else a conditional affiance ; and then again I affirm of that , that it is no more then what I exprest by making no manner of doubt , but if they serve God sincerely , they shall be saved ; which though I believe to be a most powerful motive to obedience , yet I conceive not a necessary irresistible cause , ( because 't is only a moral motive ) nay nor that that alwaies produceth the effect . First , because the foolish virgins had as much of this as the wise , for ought we see ; and after the door is shut come as confidently , Lord Lord open to us , & yet it seems did not watch and make ready their Lamps , which was the act of obedience requir'd of them ; and the want of it forfeited their hopes . 2. Because the unprofitable servant that professeth he knew that God reaped where he sowed not , yet hid the Talent in a Napkin , put it not out to the exchangers . 3. Because the exhortations of Christ and the Apostles are generally to good works , as well as to faith , nay much more frequently , which argues to me that faith doth not necessarily produce good works , and they that are supposed to have faith are exhorted to adde to their faith virtue , 2. Pet. 1.5 . which ( if Faith were a necessary cause of Works ) were all one as to exhort the Fire to burne , the Water to moysten &c. 4. Because there is a difference observed in Scripture between a working and a non working Faith , and the priviledges are bestowed only on the first , by which it is plain , that it is possible for it not to worke . 5. Because faith is said to be made perfect by works Jam. 2.22 . which sure an agent cannot be said to be by producing an effect , which it cannot but produce ; as the act of Humectation adds no degree of perfection to the water . Nay 't is a general rule , that the producing of what effect soever adds no perfection to the cause , save only relative ; as the begetting of a Sonne adds only the relation of a Father , but nothing else more then he was before ; it rather supposeth him perfect before , which is the importance of the Logick axiom , effectus est extra naturam causae . All that can truly and in propriety of speech be said of Faith in this matter , is this ; that Faith is so strong a motive to obedience , that if it be drawn as a Weapon to the purpose , and used as it should , it would in reason out-ballance all the contrary temptations to disobedience : & if the will , which hath the casting voice , give its suffrage , as in reason it ought , it shall then infallibly produce obedience ▪ but yet not irresistibly , because that will being still a free faculty at least to evill , may after all the proposal of motives either suspend its Action , or else do that which it should not . For sure it is an error of Socinus to affirme cognitionem rerum pulchrarum aut turpium , quales praeter alias sunt res honestae & vitiosae ; harum odium , illarum amorem necessariò gignere ; and that Socrate's speech ( praesente scientia fieri non posse ut quis incontinens sit ) was true , with this Caution , ut quis sciat res honestas , eas facienti magnum commodum allaturas def . disp . de loco c. 7. ad Rom. & in 1 Joh. 4.8 . If by amor and odium he mean prosecutio and aversatio , as 't is plaine he doth by that which followes . For sure Medea was not deceived in her self when she said , video meliora proboque , deteriora sequor . And so many , who make no doubt of an Heaven to belong to all penitent reformed Servants of Christs , and that that Heaven conteines joyes above all that the World can afford , do yet choose the pleasures of sin for the present season ; like Ephraim that is likened to an heifer that loved to tread out the Corn , betook her self to that course which for the present yielded some profit ( as the Heifer being by the Law then unmusselled , might eat as she troad it out ) that had its reward at that minute , that she did the Work. Whence is all this ? but from hence , that the carnal pleasures of sin for the present obtaine the consent of the will against all the future pleasures and joyes of Heaven , joyn'd with the sowernesse of present obedience ; which could never be , if believing the promises allwaies either necessarily , or infallibly produced good works . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A45396-e280 The Socinians opinion of the future state of Souls . Mr Hobbs . Mr White ▪ Resolution concerning Origen .