The peace of Rome Proclaimed to all the world, by her famous Cardinall Bellarmine, and the no lesse famous casuist Nauarre. Whereof the one acknowledgeth, and numbers vp aboue three hundred differences of opinion, maintained in the popish church. The other confesses neere threescore differences amongst their owne doctors in one onely point of their religion. Gathered faithfully out of their writings in their own words, and diuided into foure bookes, and those into seuerall decads. Whereto is prefixed a serious disswasiue from poperie. By I.H. 1609 Approx. 352 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 126 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2005-12 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A02568 STC 12696 ESTC S106027 99841752 99841752 6355 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. 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Azpilcueta, Martín de, 1492?-1586. Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656. Bellarmino, Roberto Francesco Romolo, Saint, 1542-1621. Disputationes de controversiis Christianae fidei. English. Selections. [8], 39, [5], 195, [25] p. Printed [by J. Windet] for Iohn Legate, London : 1609. Dedication signed: Ios. Hall. Navarre = Martín de Azpilcueta. In part a translation of: Bellarmino, Roberto Francesco Romolo. Disputationes de controversiis Christianae fidei. "A serious dissvvasiue from poperie" (caption title) has separate pagination; register is continuous. Includes index. The last leaf is blank. With a final errata leaf. One of three imprint variants of this edition. Reproduction of the original in the Folger Shakespeare Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. 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Catholic Church -- Controversial literature. 2005-01 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-05 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-06 Rachel Losh Sampled and proofread 2005-06 Rachel Losh Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion THE PEACE OF ROME . PROCLAIMED TO All the world , by her famous Cardinall BELLARMINE , and the no lesse famous Casuist NAVARRE . Whereof the one acknowledgeth , and numbers vp aboue three hundred differences of Opinion , maintained in the Popish Church . The other confesses neere threescore differences amongst their owne Doctors in one onely point of their RELIGION . Gathered faithfully out of their writings in their own words , and diuided into foure Bookes , and those into seuerall DECADS . WHERETO IS PREFIXED A Serious Disswasiue from Poperie . By J. H. LONDON Printed for Iohn Legate . 1609. TO THE HIGH AND MIGHTIE PRINCE , HENRY PRINCE OF GREAT BRITAINE . THE SECOND IOY , AND Hope of our Times , all happinesse . Most Gracious Prince . GOD calleth your Highnes by iust inheritance to defend his faith . This diuine royaltie accompanies your Princedome in a blessed society : wherein your challenge is not more true , then your patterne admirable . He that giues you right to the succession of this claime , giues you such an example , as what Father euer gaue a Son ? His scepter hath not more defended it , then his Pen : We blesse God and wonder : In this right then , all propugnations of truth are yours ; How much more from him , whose glory it is to haue sworne your seruice ? Yet here , I offer to your Highnesse not so much any fight of ours against them of Rome , as theirs against themselues , and therein for vs : what can be more aduantage to vs , or shame to them ? One blow of an enemy dealt to his brother , is more worth then many from an aduerse hand : All our Apologies cannot hurt them so much , as their own diuisions . Behold , here your Highnesse shall sit still , and see all the Romish Doctors ( after all their brags of peace ) scuffling and grapling together before you : and ( which is most worth ) in BELLARMINES owne Theater ; No aduersary can giue them more deep wounds , then their own swords : And if ciuill discord can give vs hope of their ruine , ROME cannot stand : Lo these are the men that gloried in their vnity , and vpbraided vs ( not once ) with our dissensions , and haue warned the world ( because we differ in one point ) not to trust vs in any . The cōfidence of their secrecie made them peremptory , not either their innocence , or our guilt : If God haue not now opened their own mouthes to conuince them of bold falshood , let them haue no accusers . I know the view of this Popish fray could not in their conceits fall more vnhappily into any eies , then your Highnesses , whom they grieue to see in this early spring of your age so firmely rooted in the truth , and before Hannibals yeares threatning hostility to error . So let your Highnesse still moue their enuy and our ioy . So much shall God more loue you , as you hate their abominations : Neither shall it I hope euer bee forgotten , that in their bloody proiect , your lims also should haue flowen vp to heauen with your soule . That God which hath reserued you for the second hope and stay of his Christian world , go on to prosper your gratious proceedings , but according to the promise of their entrances : that we may bee still happy in your Highnesse , and you in him for euer . So be it : Yea so it will be : how can it be that so many and faithfull prayers of all Gods faithfull ones through the world should haue other successe ? Amongst the rest are vowed and duly payd to this purpose , the dayly poore deuotions of your Highnesses Vnworthy , yet loyall seruant IOS . HALL . A SERIOVS DISSWASIVE FROM POPERIE . To W. D. Reuolted , &c. YOV challeng'd mee for my bold assertion of your manifolde diuisions , I doe here make it good with vsury . Those mouthes that say they teach you the truth , say also ( and you haue beleeued them ) that they all teach the same . As you finde them true in this , so trust them in the other : For me , I cannot without indignation see , that in this light of the Gospell , God and his truth should thus bee loosers by you : and that a miserable soule should suffer it selfe thus grossly couzened of it selfe , and glory : Many can write to you with more profoundnes , none with more sincere feruency , and desire to saue you . I call heauen and earth to record against you this day , that if you relent , or answere not , your perishing is wilfull . We may pitty your weakenes , but God shall plague your Apostacy ; if you had beene bred in blindnes , your ignorance had beene but lamentable , now your choice and loue of darkenes is feareful and desperate . Alas you can not be condemned without our sorrow & shame : What should we do ? We can but intreat , perswade , protest , mourn , & gage our souls for yours ; if these auaile not , who can remedy that which will perish ? Heare this yet ( you weake Reuolter ) if there be any care left in you of that soule which you haue thus prostituted to errour ; if you haue any regard to that God whose simple truth you haue contemned and forsaken ; what is this that hath driuen you from vs , allured you to them ? For Godssake , let me but expostulate a litle ere my silence : Either be conuicted or inexcusable : Our badde liues haue set you off ; Woe is me that they are no holier ; I bewaile our wickednes , I defend it not ; Onely aske how they liue in Italie ; if they be not ( for the more part ) filthes to the worst of ours , goe with them and prosper . Let all indifferent tongues say , whether that very See whereon your faith depends , euen within the smoake of his Holines , be not ( for vitiousnes ) the sinke of the world ; we may condemne our selues , their liues shall iustifie vs : But you lift not to looke so farre ; you see their liues at home , you see ours : The Comparison is not equall ; they take this for the time of their persecution ; we of our prosperitie . The stubbornest Israelite , and the most godlesse Marriner could call vpon God in his trouble : we are all worse with libertie : Looke backe and see how they liued in former times while they prospered , No Turks ( saith Erasmus ) more abhominably : thogh now at the worst , how many holy Professors might you finde , which would scorn that the most strict Hermite , or austere Cappucine , should go before them in a gratious life , and in true mortification ? euen amongst twelue , there will be one diuell : I wish they were so good that we might emulate them : but for my part , I neuer yet could know that Papist , which made conscience of all Gods ten morall lawes : Shortly , whatsoeuer is vpbraided to vs ; the truth is pure , thogh men be vnholy ; and God is where he was , whatsoeuer becomes of men : For you , if you had not fallen to coole affections , and a loose life , you had beene still ours : It is iust with God to punish your secure negligence with errour and delusion ; and to suffer you thus to loose the truth , who had lost your care of obedience and first loue . And now you doe well to shift off this blame to others sins , which haue most cause to accuse your owne . From manners to looke towards our Doctrine : the noueltie of our Religion ( you say ) hath discouraged you : theirs hath drawne you with the reuerence of her age . It is a free challenge betwixt vs , let the elder haue vs both : if there be any point of our Religion yonger then the Patriarkes and Prophets , Christ and his Apostles , the Fathers and Doctors of the Primitiue Church , let it be accursed , and condemned for an vpstart : shew vs euidence of more credite and age , and carrie it . The Church of Rome hath beene auncient , not the errors ; neither doe we in ought differ from it , wherein it is not departed from it selfe . If I did not more feare your wearines then my owne , forgetting the measure of a Praeface , I would passe through euerie point of difference betwixt vs , and let you see in all particulars , which is the old way ; and make you know , that your Popish Religion doth but put on a borrowed visor of grauitie vpon this Stage , to out-face true antiquitie . Yet least you should complaine of words , let me without your tediousnes haue leaue but to instance in the first of all Controuersies betwixt vs ; offering the same proofe in al , which you shall see performed in one . I compare the iudgement of the ancient Church with yours , see therefore and be ashamed of your noueltie . First our question is , Whether all those bookes which in our Bibles are stiled Apocryphall , and are put after the rest by themselues , are to be receiued as the true Scriptures of God ? Heare first the voice of the old Church : To let passe that cleare and pregnant testimonie of Melito Sardensis in his Epistle to Onesimus cited by Eusebius . Let Cyprian or Ruffinus rather speake in the name of all : Of the olde Testament ( saith he ) first were written the fiue bookes of Moses , Genesis , Exodus , Leuiticus , Numbers , Deuteronomie ; after these the booke of Ioshua the son of Nun , and that of the Iudges , together with Ruth ; after which were the foure bookes of the Kings , which the Hebrues reckon but two : of the Chronicles which is called the booke of Dayes ; and of Ezra are two bookes which of them are accounted but single , and the booke of Esther . Of the Prophets there is Esay , Hieremie , Ezekiel and Daniel , and besides , one booke which containes the twelue smaller Prophets . Also Iob , and the Psalmes of Dauid are single bookes : of Salomon there are three books deliuered to the Church , the Prouerbes , Ecclesiastes , Song of songs . In these they haue shut vp the number of the bookes of the olde Testament . Of the new , there are foure Gospels , of Matthew , Marke , Luke and Iohn ; the Acts of the Apostles , written by Luke ; of Paul the Apostle fourteene Epistles , of the Apostle Peter two Epistles , of Iames the Lords brother and Apostle , one , of Iude one , of Iohn three , Lastly the Reuelation of Iohn . These are they which the Fathers haue accounted within the Canon ; by which they would haue the assertions of our faith made good : But we must know there are other bookes , which are called of the Ancients not Canonicall but Ecclesiastical , as the Wisedome of Salomon , and another booke of Wisedome , which is called of Iesus the sonne of Sirach ; which booke of the Latines is termed by a generall name Ecclesiasticus : of the same ranke is the booke of Toby and Iudith , and the bookes of the Maccabees : Thus farre that Father ; so Hierome after that he hath reckoned vp the same number of bookes with vs in their order , hath these words : This Prologue of mine ( saith he ) may serue as a well defenced entrance to all the bookes which I haue turned out of Hebrew into latine ; that we may know , that whatsoeuer is besides these is Apocryphall : therefore that booke which is intituled Salomons Wisedome , and the booke of Iesus the son of Sirach , and Iudith , & Tobias & Pastor are not Canonical : the first book of the Macabees I haue found in Hebrew , the second is Greeke : which booke ( saith he ) indeed the Church readeth but receiueth not as Canonicall . The same reckoning is made by Origen in Eusebius , word for word . The same by Epiphanius , by Cyrill , by Athanasius , Gregory Nazianzen , Damascen : yea by Lyranus , both Hugoes , Caietan , Carthusian , and Montanus himselfe , &c. All of them with full consent reiecting these same Apocryphall bookes with vs. Now heare the present Church of Rome in her owne words , thus : The holy Synode of Trent hath thought good to set downe with this Decree a iust Catalogue of the bookes of holy Scripture ; least any man should make doubt which they be which are receiued by the Synode ; And they are these vnder-written , Of the old Testament fiue bookes of Moses , then Ioshua , the Iudges , Ruth , foure bookes of the Kings , two of the Chronicles , two of Esdras the first and the second , which is called Nehemias , Tobias , Iudith , Ester , Iob , the Psalter of Dauid , containing one hundreth and fiftie Psalmes , the Prouerbes of Salomon , Ecclesiastes , the Song of Songs , the booke of Wisedome , Ecclesiasticus , Esay , Hieremy , &c. two bookes of the Macabees , the first and the second . And if any man shall not receiue these whole bookes with al the parts of them , as they are wont to be read in the Catholick Church ; & as they are had in the old vulgar latine Edition ; for holy and Canonicall , let him be accursed . Thus shee : Iudge you now of our age , and say , whether the opinion of the ancient Church ( that is ours ) be not a direct enemy to Poperie , and flatly accursed by the Romish . Passe on yet a little further ; Our question is whether the Hebrew and Greeke Originals be corrupted ; and whether those first Copies of Scriptures be not to be followed aboue all Translations . Heare first the ancient Church with vs : But ( saith Saint Augustine ) howsoeuer it be taken , whether it be beleeued to be so done , or not beleeued , or lastly whether it were so or not so ; I hold it a right course that when any thing is found different in eyther bookes ( the Hebrew and Septuagint ) since for the certainty of things done there can be but one truth ; that tongue should rather bee beleeued from whence the Translation is made into another language . Vppon which words Ludouicus Viues ( yet a Papist ) saith thus : the same ( saith he ) doth Ierome proclayme euery where , and reason it selfe teacheth it , and there is none of sound iudgement that will gaine say it ; but in vaine doth the consent of all good wits teach this , for the stubburne blockishnes of men opposeth against it . Let Ierome himselfe then , a greater linguist be heard speake : And if there be any man ( saith he ) that will say the Hebrew bookes were afterwards corrupted of the Iewes ; let him heare Origen , what he answeres in the eight Volume of his explanations of Esay to this question , that the Lord and his Apostles which reproue other faults in the Scribs and Pharisees , would neuer haue beene silent in this , which were the greatest crime that could be , But if they say that the Hebrewes falsified them after the comming of Christ and preaching of the Apostles , I cannot hold from laughter , that our Sauiour and the Euangelists and Apostles should so cite testimonies of Scripture , as the Jews would afterwards depraue them : Thus Ierome . And the Canon law it selfe hath this determination , that the truth and credite of the books of the old Testament should be examined by the Hebrew Volumes , of the new , by the Greeke . And Pope Innocentius as he is cyted by Gratian could say , Haue recourse to the diuine Scriptures in their Original Greek . The same lastly by Bellarmines owne confession , the Fathers teach euery where : As Ierome in his booke against Heluidius , and in his Epistle to Marcella , that the latine Edition of the Gospels is to be called back to the Greek fountaines ; and the latine Edition of the olde Testament is to be amended by the Hebrew ; in his Comment vpon Zachary , chap. 8. The very same hath Austen in his second booke of Christian doctrine , chap. 11.12 , 15. and Epist. 19. and elsewhere . This was the old Religion and ours ; now heare the new . The present Church of Rome hath thus : The holy Synode decreeth that the old vulgar latine Edition in all Lectures , Disputations , Sermons , Expositions be held for Authenticall , saith the counsell of Trent : And her Champion Bellarmine hath these words ; That the fountaine of the Originals in many places run muddy and impure , we haue formerly shewed , and indeed it can scarce be doubted , but that as the latine Church hath beene more constant in keeping the faith then the Greeke , so it hath been more vigilant in defending her bookes from corruption . Yea some of the Popish Doctors mainetaine , that the Iewes in hatred of the Christian faith did on purpose corrupt many places of scripture : so holds Gregory de Valentia , Iacobus Christopolitanus in his Praeface to the Psalmes , Canus in the second booke of his common places . But in stead of all , Bellarmine shal shut vp all with these wordes ; The Heretickes of this time in hatred of the vulgar Edition , giue too much to the Hebrew Edition , as Caluin , Chemnitius , Georgius Maior : All which would haue euery thing examined and amended by the Hebrew text , which they commonly call a most pure fountain : See now whether that which Bellarmine confesses to haue beene the iudgement of Hierome , Austen , and all the auncient Fathers be not here condemned by him , as the opinion of the Heretickes : Ours was theirs ; and theirs is condemned vnder our names : Iudge whether in this also Popery be not an vpstart . Yet one step more : Our question is , whether the Scripture be easie or most obscure , and whether in all essentiall points it doe not interpret it selfe , so as what is hard in one place is openly layd forth in another : Heare the iudgement of the old Church and ours : All things are cleare and plaine and nothing contrary in the Scriptures ; saith Epiphanius , Those things which seeme doubtfully and obscurely spoken in some places of Scripture are expounded by them , which in other places are open and plaine , saith Basil : What could Caluin or Luther say more ? There is no so great hardnesse in the Scriptures to come to those things which are necessary to saluation , saith Austen : In those things which are openly layd downe in Scripture , are found all those things which containe our faith and rules for our life , saith the same Father ; who yet againe also saith thus : The spirit of God hath Royally and wholsomely tempered the holy Scriptures so , as both by the plaine places he might preuent our hunger , and by the obscure hee might auoyd our nice slouthfulnesse ; for there is ( scarce ) any thing that can be fetch 't out of those obscurities , which is not found most plainely spoken elsewhere . And because Bellarmine takes exception at this ( Feré Scarce ) compare this place with the former ; and with that which he hath in his third , Epistle thus : The manner of speech in which the Scripture is contriued , is easie to be commed to of al ; although to be throughly attained by few ; Those things which it containeth plaine and easie , it speakes like a familiar friend without guile to the heart of the learned and vnlearned , &c. But it inuites all men with an humble manner of speech , whom it dooth not onely feede with manifest truth , but exercise with secret , hauing the same in readinesse , which it hath in secrecy : Thus Austen : To omit Iraeneus and Origen . Chrysostome ( whom Bellarmine saith we alledge alone for vs ) besides many other playne places , writeth thus . Who is there to whom all is not manifest , which is written in the Gospel ? who that shall heare , Blessed are the meeke , Blessed are the mercifull , Blessed are the pure in heart , & the rest , wold desire a teacher to learne any of these things which are here spoken ? As also the signes , miracles , histories are not they knowne and manifest to euery man ? This pretence and excuse is but the cloake of our slothfulnesse : thou vnderstandest not those things which are written ; how shouldest thou vnderstand them , which wilt not so much as sleightly looke into them ? take the booke into thy hand , read all the history , and what thou knowest remember , and what is obscure runne often ouer it . So Chrysostome : yea he makes this difference betwixt the Philosophers and Apostles : the Philosophers speake obscurely , But the Apostles and Prophets ( saith he ) contrarily make all things deliuered by them , cleare and manifest ; and as the common teachers of the world haue so expounded all things that euery man may of himselfe by bare reading , learne those things which are spoken : yea lastly , so far he goes in this point , as that he asketh , Wherefore needeth a preacher ? all things are cleare and plaine in the Diuine Scriptures ; but because ye are delicate hearers , and seeke delight in hearing , therefore ye seeke for Preachers . You haue heard the old Religion , now heare the new : Bellarmine hath these wordes : It must needes be confessed that the Scriptures are most obscure ; Here therefore ( saith he ) Luther hath deuised two euasions ; One that the Scripture ; though it be obscure in one place , yet that it doth clearely propound the same thing in another . The second is , that though the Scripture be cleare of it selfe , yet to the proud and vnbeleeuers it is hard , by reason of their blindnes and euill affections : so the Lutherans ( saith Eckius ) contend that the Scriptures are cleare and plaine : so Duraeus against VVhitakers : so the Rhemists in their annotations ; and generally all Papists . Iudge now if all these forenamed Fathers , and so the Auncient Church were not Lutherans in this point ; or rather we theirs ; and yeeld that this their old opinion by the new Church of Rome is condemned for hereticall : and in al these say vpon your soule , whether is the elder ? Let me draw you on yet a little further : Our question is , whether it be necessary or fit that all men ( euen of the Laiety ) should haue liberty to heare and read the Scriptures , in a language which they vnderstand . Heare first the voyce of the old religion : to omit the direct charges of Gregory Nissen and Ambrose ; thus hath Ierome vpon the Psalmes . The Lord will declare ; and how will he declare ? Not by word but by writing ; In whose writing ? In the writing of his people , &c. Our Lord and Sauiour therefore tels vs , and speaketh in the scriptures of his Princes : Our Lord will declare it to vs in the scriptures of his people , in the holy scriptures : which scripture is read to all the people ; that is , so read as that all may vnderstand ; not that a few may vnderstand , but all . What faithfull man saith Augustine ( though he be but a Nouice , before he be baptized and haue receiued the holy Ghost ) doth not with an equall minde reade and heare all things , which after the ascension of our Lord are written in Canonicall truth , and authority , although as yet he vnderstands them not as he ought . But of all other Saint Chrysostome is euery where most vehement and direct in this point : Amongst infinite places , heare what he saith in one of his Homilies of Lazarus . I doe alwaies exhort , and will neuer cease to exhort you ( saith he ) that you will not here onely attend to those things which are spoken , but when you are at home , you continually busie your selues in reading of the holy Scriptures ; which practise also I haue not ceased to driue into them which come priuately to me : for let no man say , Tush , they are but idle words , and many of them such as should bee contemned : Alas , I am taken vp with lawe causes , I am employed in publique affaires , I follow my trade , I maintaine a wife and children , and haue a great charge to looke to ; It is not for me to read the Scriptures , but for them which haue cast off the world ; which haue taken vp the solitary toppes of Mountaines for their dwellings , which liue this contemplatiue kinde of life continually . What sayest thou O man ? Is it not for thee to turne ouer the Scriptures , because thou art distracted with infinite cares ; Nay , then it is for thee more then for them ; for they doe not so much neede the helpe of the Scriptures , as you that are tost in the midst of the waues of worldly busines . And soone after , Neyther can it be possible that any man should without great fruit be perpetually conuersant in this spirituall exercise of reading and straight . Let vs not neglect to buy our selues bookes , least we receiue a wound in our vitall parts ; and after he hath compared the bookes of Scripture to gold , he addeth , But what say they , if we vnderstand not those things which are contained in those bookes ? What gaine we then ? Yes surely , though thou dost not vnderstand those things which are there laid vp , yet by the very reading much holinesse is got : Although it cannot be , that thou shouldest be alike ignorant of all thou readest ; for therefore hath the spirit of God so dispenced this word , that Publicanes , Fishers , Tent-makers , Shepheards & Goat-beards , plaine vnlettered men may be saued by these bookes ; least any of the simpler sort should pretend this excuse , That all things which are said should be easie to discerne ; and that the workeman , the seruant , the poore widdow , and the most vnlearned of all other , by hearing of the word read , might get some gaine and profit . And the same Father elsewhere ; I beseech you ( saith he ) that you come speedily hither , and harken diligently to the reading of the holy Scriptures ; and not onely when you come hither , but also at home take the Bible into your hands , and by your diligent care reape the profite contained in it . Lastly , in his Homilies vpon the Epistle to the Colossians ; he cries out , Heare , I beseech you , O all ye secular men , prouide you Bibles which are the medicines for the soule ; At least get the new Testament . Now on the contrary , let the new Religion of Rome speake ; first by her Rhemish Iesuites , thus : We may not thinke that the Translated Bibles into vulgar tongues were in the hands of euery Husbandman , Artificer , Prentise , Boyes , Girles , Mistresse , Maide , Man ; that they were sung , played , alledged of euery Tinker , Tauerner , Rimer , Minstrell . The like words of scorn and disgrace are vsed by Hosius , and by Eckius , and by Bellarmine de verbo . l. 2. c. 15. The wise will not here regard ( say our Rhemists ) what some wilfull people doe mutter , that the Scriptures are made for all men , &c. And soone after they compare the scriptures to fire , water , candles , kniues , swords , which are indeede needfull , &c. but would marre all if they were at the guiding of other , then wise men . All the Heretickes of this time , saith Bellarmine , agree that the scriptures should be permitted to all , and deliuered in their owne mother tongue ; But the Catholike Church forbids the reading of the Scriptures by all , without choice : or the publique reading or singing of them in vulgar tongues , as it is decreed in the Councell of Trent , Ses. 22 c. 8. and can . 9. If you thinke ( saith Duraeus ) that Christ had all Christians to search the Scriptures , you are in a grosse errour ; For how shall rude and ignorant men search the Scriptures , &c. And so he concludes , that the Scriptures were not giuen to the common multitude of beleeuers . Iudge now what either we say , or these Papists condemne , besides the ancient iudgement of the Fathers : and if euer either Caluin or Luther haue beene more peremptory in this matter then Saint Chrysostome , I vow to be a Papist . If ours be not in this the old Religion , be not you ours . Yet this one passage further , and then no more , least I weary you : Our question is ; Whether the Scriptures depend vpon the authority of the Church ; or rather the Church vpon the authoritie of Scriptures ? Heare first the ancient Church , with , and for vs : The question is ( saith Saint Austen ) betwixt vs and the Donatists , where the Church is ; what shall we do then ? shall we seeke her in our owne words , or in the words of her head , the Lord Iesus Christ ? I suppose we ought to seeke her rather in his words , which is the truth ; and knowes best his owne body , for the Lord knowes who are his ; we will not haue the Church sought in our words . And in the same booke , Whether the Donatists hold the Church ( saith the same Father ) let them not shew , but by the Canonicall bookes of Diuine scriptures ; for neyther do we therefore say they should beleeue vs , that wee are in the Church of Christ , because Optatus or Ambrose hath commended this Church vnto vs which we now hold ; or because it is acknowledged by the Councels of our fellow-teachers , or because so great miracles are done in it : it is not therefore manifested to be true and Catholicke ; but the LORD Iesus himselfe iudged , that his Disciples should rather be confirmed by the testimonies of the Law and the Prophets : These are the rules of our cause , these are the foundations ; these are the confirmations . And vpon the Psalmes , Least thou shouldst erre ( saith the same Augustine ) in thy iudgement of the Church : least any man should say to thee , this is Christ which is not Christ , or this is the Church which is not the Church ; for many , &c. Heare the voyce of the Shepheard himselfe , which is cloathed in flesh , &c. He shewes himselfe to thee ; handle him , and see . He shewes his Church , least any man should deceiue thee vnder the name of the Church , &c. yet Chrysostome more directly thus : He that would know which is the true Church of Christ , whence may he know it in the similitude of so great confusion , but onely by the scriptures ? Now the working of miracles is altogether ceased ; yea they are rather found to be fainedly wrought of them , which are but false Christians ; Whence then shall he know it , but onely by the scriptures ? The Lord Jesus therfore knowing what great confusion of things would be in the last dayes , therefore commands that those which are Christians , and would receiue confirmation of their true faith , should flye to nothing but to the Scriptures ; Otherwise if they flie to any other helpe , they shall be offended and perish , not vnderstanding which is the true Church : This is the old faith ; Now heare the new , contradicting it , and vs. The scripture ( saith Eckius a Popish Doctor ) is not authenticall without the authority of the Church , for the Canonicall writers are members of the Church ; Whereupon let it be obiected to an Hereticke , that will striue against the Decrees of the Church , by what weapons he will fight against the Church , he will say by the Canonicall scriptures of the foure Gospels , and Pauls Epistles : Let it be straight obiected to him , how he knowes these to be Canonicall , but by the Church : And a while after , The scripture ( saith he ) defined in a Councell , it seemed good to the holy Ghost and to vs , that you abstaine from things offered to Idolls , and blood , and strangled : the Church by her authority altred a thing so clearely defined , and expressed : for it vseth both strangled and blood ; Behold the power of the Church is aboue the scripture : thus Eckius . And besides Cusanus , Bellarmine saith thus : If we take away the authority of the present Church , and of the present Councell ( of Trent ) all the Decrees of all other Councells , and the whole Christian faith may be called into doubt ; and in the same place a little after ; The strength of all ancient Councels and the certainety of all opinions depends on the authority of the present Church : You haue heard both speake , say now , with whom is true antiquity ; and on Gods name detest the newer of both : It were as easie to bring the same , if not greater euidence for the perfection , and all-sufficiency of Scripture ; and so to deliuer all the body of our Religion ▪ by the tongues and pens of the fathers , that eyther you must be forced to hold them Nouelists with vs ▪ or your selues such against them : How honest and ingenuous is that confession of your Erasmus , who in his Epistle to the Bishop and Cardinall of Ments , could say , It is plainely found , that many things in Luthers bookes are condemned for Hereticall , which in the bookes of Bernard and Austen , are read for holy and Orthodox . This is too much for a tast , if your appetite stand to it , I dare promise you full dishes : Let me therefore appeale to you , if light and darkenesse be more contrary then these points of your religion , to true Antiquity : No , no , Let your authors glose as they list ; Popery is but a yong faction , corruptly raysed out of auncient grounds ; And if it haue ( as we grant ) some ancient errors , falshood cannot be bettered with age ; there is no prescription against God and truth : What wee can proue to be erroneous , we neede not proue new : some hundreths of yeares is an idle plea against the ancient of dayes . What can you plead yet more for your change ? Their numbers perhaps , and our handfuls ? You heard all the world was theirs , scarce any corner ours : How could you but suspect a few ? These are but idle brags ; we dare and can share equally with them in Christendome : And if we could not ; this rule will teach you to aduance Turcisme aboue Christianity , and Paganisme aboue that : the world aboue the Church , hell aboue heauen : If any proofe can be drawne from numbers , He that knowes all , sayes the best are fewest . What then could stir you ? Our diuisions and their vnity . If this my following labour doe not make it good to all the world , that their peace is lesse then ours , their dissension more , by the confession of their owne mouthes , be you theirs still , and let me follow you . I stand not vpon the scoldings of Priests and Iesuites , nor the late Venetian iarres , nor the pragmaticall differences now on foote , in the view of all Christendome , betwixt their owne Cardinals , in their sacred Conclaue , and all their Clergy , concerning the Popes temporall power : Neither doe I call any friend to be our aduocate ; none but Bellarmine and Nauarrus shall be my Orators ; and if these plead not this cause enough , let it fall : See here dangerous rifts and flawes , not in the outward barke onely , but in the very heart and pithe of your religion ; and if so many be confessed by one or two , what might be gathered out of all ? and if so many be acknowledged , thinke how many there are that lurke in secret , and will not be confessed ? How loath would we be ( after all exclamations ) that your busie Iesuites , could rake out so many confessed quarrels out of all our authors , as I haue here found in two of yours ? We want onely their cunning secrecy in the carriage of our quarrels : Our few ( and sleight ) differences are blazoned a broad with infamy and offence , their hundreds are craftily smothered in silence . Let your owne eyes satisfie you in this , not my pen : see now , what you would neuer beleeue . What is it then , that could thus bewitch you to forsake the comely and heauenly truth of God , and to dote vpon this beastly strumpet ? to change your Religion , for a ridiculous , sensuall , cruell , irreligious faction ? A Religion ( if we must call it so ) that made sport to our playne fore fathers , with the remembrance of her grauest deuotions : How oft haue you seene them laugh at themselues , whiles they haue told of their creeping crouch , kissing the pax , offering their candles , signing with ashes , partiall shrifts , merry pilgrimages , ridiculous miracles , and a thousand such May-games , which now you begin ( after this long hissing at ) to looke vpon soberly , and with admiration . A Religion , whose fooleries very boyes may shout and laugh at , if for no more but this , that it teaches men to put confidence in beades , medals , roses , hallowed swords , spels of the Gospell , Agnus Dei , and such like idle bables ; ascribing vnto them Diuine vertue : yea so much as is due to the sonne of God himselfe , and his pretious blood . J speake not of some rude ignorants ; your very booke of holy Ceremonies shall teach you what your holy fathers doe , and haue done . That tells you first with great allowance , and applause , that Pope Vrban the fift sent three Agnos Dei , to the Greeke Emperour , with these verses : Balsame , pure Wax , and Chrismes-liquor cleare , Make vp this precious Lamb , I send thee here ; All lightning it dispels , and each ill spri'ght , Remedies sinne , and makes the heart contrite . Euen as the blood that Christ for vs did shed : It helps the child-beds paines ; & giues good speed Vnto the birth ; Great gifts it still doth win To all that weare it , and that worthy bin : It quels the rage of fire ; and cleanely bore It brings from shipwracke safely to the shore . And least you should plead this to be the conceit of some one phantasticall Pope , heare ( and be ashamed ) out of the same booke , what by prescription euery Pope vseth to pray in the blessing of the water , which serues for that Agnus Dei : If you know not , thus he prayeth : That it would please thee O God , to blesse those things which we purpose to poure into this vessell of water prepared to the glory of thy name , so as by the worship and honour of them , we thy seruants may haue our heynous offences done away , the blemishes of our sinnes wip't off , and there by we may obtaine pardon , and receiue grace from thee ; so that at the last with thy Saints and elect Children we may merite to obtaine euerlasting life . Amen . How could you choose but be in loue with this superstition , Magicke , blasphemy practised , and maintained by the heads of your Church ? 2 A Religion that allowes iugling Equiuocations , & reserued senses euen in very oathes . Besids all that hath beene shamelesly written by our Iesuites to this purpose ; Heare what Franciscus Victoria , an ingenuous Papist , and a learned reader of Diuinity in Salmantica , writes in the name of all : But what shall a Confessor do ( saith he ) if he be askt of a sinne that he hath heard in Confession ? May he say that he knowes not of it ? I answere according to all our Doctors , that he may ; But what if he be compelled to sweare ? I say that he may and ought to sweare that he knowes it not ; for that it is vnderstood that he knowes it not besides confession , and so he sweares true . But say , that the Iudge or Prelate shal malitiously require of him vpon his oath , whether he know it in confession or no ; I answere , that a man thus vrged may still sweare that he knowes it not in confession ; for that it is vnderstood he knowes it not to reueale it , or so as he may tell : Who teach and do thus in anothers case , iudge what they would doe in their owne . O wise , cunning and holy periuries , vnknowne to our forefathers . A Religion that allowes the buying and selling of sinnes , of pardons of soules : so as now Purgatory can haue no rich men in it , but fooles and friendlesse : Diuels are tormenters there ( as themselues hold from many reuelations of Bede , Bernard , Carthusian ) yet men can commaund diuels , and money can command men . A Religion , that relies wholly vpon the infallibility of those , whom yet they grant haue been , and may be monstrous in their liues and dispositions ; How many of those heyres of Peter ( by confession of their owne records ) by bribes , by Whores , by Diuels , haue climed vp into that chaire ; Yet , to say that those men , which are confessed to haue giuen their soules to the diuell , that they might be Popes , can erre , while they are Popes , is heresie worthy of a stake , and of hell . A Religion , that hood-winkes the poore Laity in forced ignorance , least they should knowe Gods will , or any way to heauen but theirs : so as millions of soules liue no lesse without Scriptures , then if there were none : that forbids spirituall food as poyson ; and fetches Gods booke into the Inquisition . A Religion , that teaches men to worshippe stockes and stones , with the same honour that is due to their Creator : which practise least it should appeare to her simple Clyents , how palpably opposite it is to the second commaundement ; they haue discreetly left out those words of GODS Law , as a needelesse illustration , in their Catechismes and Prayer bookes of the vulgar . A Religion , that vtterly ouerthrowes the true humanity of Christ , while they giue vnto it tenne thousand places at once , and yet no place : flesh and no flesh , seuerall members without distinction ; a substance without quantitie , and other accidents ; or substance and accidents that cannot be seene , felt , perceiued ; so they make either a monster of their Sauiour , or nothing . A Religion , that vtterly ouerthrowes the perfection of Christs satisfaction : If all be not paid , how hath he satisfied ? If temporall punishments in purgatory be yet due , how is all paid ? and if these must be paid by vs , how are they satisfied by him ? A Religion , that makes more scripture then euer God and his ancient Church ; and those which it doth make , so imperiously obtrudes vpon the world , as if God himselfe should speak from heauen : and while it thunders out curses against all that will not adde these bookes to Gods , regards not Gods curse , If any man shall adde vnto these things , God shall adde vnto him the plagues that are written in this booke . A Religion , whose patrons disgrace the true Scriptures of God with reproachfull tearmes , odious comparisons imputations of corruption and imperfection , and in fine , pin their whole authority vpon the sleeues of men . A Religion , that erects a throne in the Conscience to a meere man , and giues him absolute power to make a sinne , to dispense with it , to create new Articles of faith , and to impose them vppon necessity of saluation . A Religion , that baffoules all temporall Princes , making them stand bare-foote at their great Bishops gate , lye at his foote , hold his stirrup , yea their owne Crownes at his Curtesie , exempting all their Ecclesiasticall Subiects from their iurisdiction , and ( when they list ) al the rest from their allegeance . A Religion , that hath made wicked men Saints , and Saints Gods ; Euen by the confession of Papists , lewd and vndeseruing men haue leapt into their Calender : Whence it is , that the Pope before his Canonization of any Saint , makes solemne protestation , that he entends not in that businesse to doe ought preiudiciall to the glory of God , or to the Catholicke faith and Church : And once Sainted , they haue the honour of Altars , Temples , Inuocations ; and some of them in a stile fit onely for their maker . I know not whither that blessed Virgin receiue more indignity from her enemies that denie her , or these her flatterers that deifie her . A Religion that robs the Christian heart of all sound comfort , whiles it teacheth vs , that we neither can nor ought to be assured of the remission of our sinnes , and of present grace , and future saluation ; That we can neuer know whether we haue receiued the true Sacraments of God , because we cannot know the intention of the Minister , without which they are are no Sacraments : A Religion , that rackes the conscience with the needlesse torture of a necessary shrift ; wherin the vertue of absolution depends on the fulnesse of confession , and that , vpon examination and the sufficiency of examination is so full of scruples ( besides those infinite cases of vnresolued doubts in this fained penance ) that the poore soule neuer knowes when it is cleare . A Religion , that professes to be a bawd of sin ; whiles both ( in practise ) it tollerates open stewes , and prefers fornication in some cases to honourable Matrimony , and gently blanches ouer the breaches of Gods Law with the name of venials and fauourable titles of diminution ; daring to affirme that veniall sinnes are no hinderance to a mans cleanenesse and perfection . A cruell Religion , that sends poore infants remedilesly vnto the eternall paines of hell ; for want of that which they could not liue to desire : and frights simple soules with expectation of fained torments in purgatory ; not inferior ( for the time ) to the flames of the damned ; how wretchedly and fearefully must their poore Laicks needes die : for first they are not sure they shall not goe to hell ; and secondly they are sure to be scorched , if they shall goe to heauen . A Religion , that makes nature vainly proude in being ioyned by her , as copartner with God , in our iustification , in our saluation : and idly puffed vp in a conceit of her perfection , and ability to keepe more lawes then God hath made . A Religion , that requires no other faith to iustification in Christians , then may be found in the Diuels themselues : who besides a confused apprehension , can assent vnto the truth of Gods reuealed will : Popery requires no more . A Religion , that in stead of the pure milke of the Gospell hath long fed her starued soules , with such idle Legends , as the reporter can hardly deliuer without laughter , & their abettors not heare without shame and disclamation : the wiser sort of the world read those stories on winter euenings for sport , which the poore credulous multitude heares in their Churches , with a deuout astonishment . A Religion , which ( least ought should be here wanting to the doctrine of diuels ) makes religious prohibitions of meat , and differences of diet ; superstitiously preferring Gods workmanship to itselfe and willingly polluting what he hath sanctified . A Religion , that requires nothing but meere formality in our deuotions ; the worke wrought suffices alone in sacraments , in praiers : So the number be found in the chappelet , there is no care of the affection ; as if God regarded not the hart , but the tongue & hands , & while he vnderstāds vs , cared litle whether we vnderstand our selues . A Religion , that presumptuously dares to alter and mangle Christs last institution ; and sacrilegiously robbes Gods people of one halfe of that heauenly prouision , which our Sauiour left for his last and dearest legacy to his Church for euer : as if Christs ordinance were superfluous , or any shaueling could be wiser then his Redeemer . A Religion , that depends wholly vpon nice and poore vncertainties , and vnproueable supposals : that Peter was Bishop of Rome ; that he left any heires of his graces & spirit ; or if any , but one in a perpetuall and vnfaileable succession at Rome ; That he so bequeathed his infallibility to his chayre , as that whosoeuer sits in it , cannot but speake true ; that all which sit where he sate , must by some secret instinct , say as he taught ; That what Christ said to him absolutely , ere euer Rome was thought of , must be referred , yea tyed to that place alone , and fulfilled in it : That Linus , or Clemens , or Cletus , the schollers and supposed successors of Peter , must be preferred ( in the Headship of the Church ) to Iohn the beloued Apostle then liuing : That he whose life , whose penne , whose iudgement , whose keyes may erre , yet in his pontificall chayre cannot erre : That the golden line of this Apostolicall succession , in the confusion of so many , long , desperate Schismes , shamefully corrupt vsurpa●ions , and intrusions , yeelded heresies , neyther was , nor can be broken . Denie any of these , and Poperie is no religion : Oh the lamentable hazard of so many Millions of poore soules that stand vpon these slipperie tearmes , whereof if any be probable , some are impossible : Oh miserable grounds of Popish faith , whereof the best can haue but this praise , that perhaps it may be true . A Religion that hath beene oft dyed in the blood of Princes : that in some cases teaches and allowes rebellion against Gods annointed ; and both suborneth treasons , and excuses , pities , honours , rewards the actors . A Religion , that ouerloades mens consciences with heauy burdens of infinite vnnecessary traditions ; farre more then euer Moses commented vpon with all the Iewish Masters ; imposing them with no lesse authority , and exacting them with more rigour , then any of the royall lawes of their Maker . A Religion that cozens the vulgar with nothing but shadowes of holines , in pilgrimages , processions , offerings , holy-water , latine seruices , images , tapers , rich vestures , garish altars , crosses , censings , and a thousand such like ( fitt for children and fooles ) robbing them in the meane time of the sound and plaine helpes of true piette and saluation . A Religion , that cares not by what wilfull falshoods it maintaines a part : as Wickliffes blasphemy , Luthers aduise from the diuell , Tindals community , Caluins fayned miracle , and blasphemous death ; Bucers necke broken , Bezaes reuolt , the blasting of Huguenots , Englands want of Churches and Christendome ; Queene Elizabeths vnwomanlines , her Episcopall iurisdiction , her secret fruitfulnes , English Catholicks cast in Beares skins to dogges , Plesses shamefull ouerthrow ; Garnets straw , the Lutherans obscene night-reuels ; Scories drunken ordination in a Tauerne ; the edict of our gracious King Iames ( An. 87 ) for the establishment of Popery , our casting the crusts of our Sacrament to doggs , and ten thousand of this nature , malitiously raysed and defended against knowledge and conscience for the disgrace of those whom they would haue hated , ere knowen . A Religion , that in the conscience of her own vntruth , goes about to falsifie , and depraue all Authors that might giue euidence against her , to out-face al ancient truths , to foist in Gibeonitish witnesses of their owne forging : and leaues nothing vnattempted against heauen or earth , that might aduantage her faction , and disable her innocent aduersary : Lo this is your choice ; if the zeale of your losse haue made me sharpe , yet not malicious , not false ; God is my record , I haue not ( to knowledge ) charged you with the least vntruth : and if I haue wronged , accuse me : and if I cleare not my selfe , and my challenge , let mee be branded for a slanderer . In the meane time what spirituall phrensie hath ouertaken you , that you can finde no beauty , but in this monster of errors ? It is to you , and your fellowes that God speakes by his Prophet : O ye heauens be astonished at this , be afraide and vtterly confounded , saith the Lord , for my people hath committed two euils , They haue forsaken me , the fountaine of liuing waters , to digge them pits , euen broken pits , that can hold no water : what shall be the issue ? Et tu Domine deduces eos in puteum interitus : Thou O God shalt bring them downe into the pit of destruction ; If you wil thus wilfully leaue God , there I must leaue you : But ( if you had not rather die ) returne , and saue one ; returne to God , returne to his truth , returne to his Church : your blood be vpon my head , if you perish . ADVERTISEMENTS to the Reader . VNDERSTAND ( good reader ) that in all these passages following , I haue brought in C. Bellarm. speaking in his owne words , except in some few plaine references , where I mention him in the third person . 2 That the edition of C. Bellarmine which I haue followed , and quoted in euery page , is that in octauo ( the commonest , I thinke ) set forth at Ingolstadt , from the presse of Adam Sartorius , in the yeare M.D.XCIX . 3 That all those Authors which thou seest named ouer the head of euery Section , are Papists of note : whose quarrels C. Bellarmine confesseth . 4 That such great Doctors could not be singular in their iudgements , but must needes , in all probability , ( which yet is not confessed ) be attended with many followers , in euery point of variance : euery Master hath the fauour of his owne schoole : the sides taken by their Scholers is not more secret , then likely . 5 That one Doctor Pappus , a learned German , hath vndertaken the like taske , but somewhat vnperfectly : for of my 303 contradictions he hath noted but 237. the edition followed by him was not the same , and therefore his trust could not be so helpfull to mee : Besides , that two or three of Card. Bellarmines workes are since published . 6 That I haue willingly omitted diuers small differences , which ( if I had regarded number ) might haue caused the Sum to swell yet higher . 7 That thou mayest not looke to finde all these acknowledged differences , maine and essentiall : All Religion consists not of so many stones in her foundation ; it is enough , that deepe and material dissensions are intermingled with the rest ; and that scarce any point is free from some . 8 That Card. Bellarmine acknowledges those dissensions only , which fall into the compasse of his owne Controuersies ( if all those : ) omitting all others . For instance : of all those sixtie and two differences , in the matter of penance , which I haue here gathered out of Nauarre and Fr●a Victoria , he hath not confessed aboue fiue or sixe : So that , by the same proportion , wheras three hundred and three Contradictions are acknowledged , there cannot but be many hundreds wittingly by him concealed . GEN. 11.7 . Venite igitur descendamus , & confundamus ibi linguam eorum , vt non audiat vnus quis que vocem proximi sui , atque ita diuisit eos Dominus ex illo loco in vniuersas terras , & cessauerunt aedificare ciuitatem , & idcirco vocatum est nomen eius Babel , &c. THE PEACE OF ROME . LIB . I. FIRST CENTVRY of Dissentions . DECAD . I. First , Bellarmine against Nic. Lyra , Carthusian , Hugo , and Thomas Cardinals , Sixtus Senensis . THere haue not wanted some which haue held the seuen last Chapters of the booke of Ester , because they are not in the Hebrewe Text , spurious and counterfet : In which opinion was S. Hierom ( as is gathered out of his praeface ) and following him , not onely before the Councell of Trent Nicholas Lyra , Dionysius Carthusianus , Hugo , and Thomas de Vio Cardinals , but also since the said Councell Sixtus Senensis in the first and eight booke of his Bibliotheca Sancta . But that they are sacred and Diuine , is sufficiently proued by all those Decrees of Popes and Councels , and those testimonies of Hebrew , Greeke , and Latine fathers , which we haue noted formerly in the fourth chapter of this booke , and so those other chapters which are not in the Hebrew , &c. Bellarmine in his first booke of the word of God , chapt . 7. ( See at large his confutation of Sixtus Senensis in the same place . ) pag. 30. Secondly , Iohn Driedo against Bellarmine . IOhannes Driedo ( a Catholike writer ) denies the booke of Baruch to be Canonical , in his first book , the last chapter , at the last argument : But the authority of the Catholicke Church perswades vs the contrary , which in the Councell of Trent ( the fourth sitting ) numbers the prophet Baruch among the sacred bookes . Bellarmine the same booke , chap. 8. pag. 41. Thirdly , Erasmus and Iohannes Driedo against Bellarmine . NOt onely Heretickes , Pagans , Iewes , but of Catholicke Christians Iulius Africanus of olde , and of late , Iohannes Driedo in his first booke de Script . &c. chap. last , and of semi-Christians Erasmus in his Scholees vpon Hieroms praeface to Daniel , haue reiected the story of Susanna as new , and foisted into the Canon . But notwithstanding it is certaine that all these parts of Daniel are truely Canonicall . Bellarm. the same booke chap. 9. pag. 43. Fourthly , Caietane a Cardinall , and some other namelesse against Bellarmine . SOme obiect that the Church receiues those books that Saint Hierome receiues , and refuseth those which he reiecteth , as it appeares Distinct. 15. Canon . Sancta Romana . But Hierome flatly affirmes all these fiue bookes not to be Canonicall : so reasoneth Caietane , otherwise a Catholicke & a holy Doctor . Some answere , that Hierome saith onely that these are not Canonicall among the Iewes ; but that cannot be , for he mentioneth also the booke of the Pastor , which was accounted to the new Testament . But I admit that Hierome was of that opinion , because no generall Councell as yet had defined of these books ; except onely of the booke of Iudith , which Hierome also afterwards receiued : That therefore which Gelasius saith in the Distinct aboue cited , is to be vnderstood of the bookes of the Doctors of the Church , Origin , Ruffin , and the like ; not of the bookes of Scripture . Bellarm. ibid. chap. 10. pag. 53. Fiftly , Bellarmine against Erasmus , Caietanus . IN our times Erasmus in the end of his notes vpon this Epistle : and Caietane in the beginning of his Commentaries vpon this Epistle haue reuiued and renewed a question , that hath long slept in silence , concerning the Author and authority of the Epistle to the Hebrewes . Bellarmine vndertakes to confute their seuerall reasons , drawne , First , From Hebr. 1.5 . compared with 2. Sam. 7.14 . Secondly , From Hebr. 9.4 . compared with 1 Kings 8.9 . Thirdly , From Heb. 9.20 . compared with Exod. 24.8 . Bellarm. ibid. chap. 17. pag. 77. Sixtly , Beda , Lyranus , Driedo , Mercator , Sulpitius , Genebrard , Benedictus , Bellarmine dissenting . THere are two principall opinions about the storie of Iudith : Some would haue that storie to haue happened after the Babilonish captiuity , eyther in Cambyses time , so Beda , Lyranus , Io. Driedo ; or vnder Darius Hystaspes , as Gerardus Mercator ; Seuerus Sulpitius refers it to Artaxerxes Ochus : some others hold it to haue beene after the captiuity ; either in Sedecias times , as Gil. Genebrardus ; or Iosias , as Iohn Benedictus . But neither of these seemes to me probable enough , saith Bellarmine , who confuting all them , placeth this storie in the raigne of Manasses king of Iuda . Bellarm. same booke , c. 12. p. 58. Seuenthly , Erasmus and Caietane against Bellarm. and all other true Catholickes . ERasm . in his notes vpon these epistles affirms , that the Epistle of Iames doth not sauor of an Apostolicke grauitie : hee doubts of the second Epistle of Peter . he affirmes the second and third Epistles of Iohn were not written by Iohn the Apostle , but by another : of Iudes Epistle hee saith nothing . Caietane doubts of the Authors of the Epistle of Iames , of Iude , of the second and third of Iohn , and therefore will haue them to be of lesse authority then the rest . Bellarmine iustly refutes their opinion , ch . 18. pag. 86. Eightly , Erasmus against all true Catholickes . ERasmus in the end of his notes vpon the Reuelation , seekes out many doubtfull coniectures , wherby he would proue this booke of the Reuelation , not to be written by Iohn the Apostle . His three reasons are truely answered by Bellarmine , chap. 19. p. 94. Ninthly , Genebrardus against Bellarmine . THE fourth booke of Esdras is indeede cyted by Ambrose , in his booke de Bono Mortis ; and in his second booke vpon Luke ; and in the 21. Epistle to Horatian : but doubtlesse it is not Canonicall : since that it is not by any Councell accounted in the Canon ; and is not found eyther in Hebrew or Greeke , and contains in the sixt chapter very fabulous toyes . I wonder therfore what came into Genebrards minde , that he would haue this booke pertaine to the Canon ; in his Chronology , pag. 90. Bellarm. chap. 20. pag. 99. Tenthly , Iacobus Christopolitanus , Canus against Bellarmine . OMitting those therefore which falsly attribute too much purity vnto the Hebrew text , we are to meete with others , which in a good zeale , but I know not whether according to knowledge , defend that the Iewes in hatred of the Christian Religion haue purposely depraued many places of Scripture ; so teaches Iacob Bishop of Christopolis in his praeface to the Psalmes , and Canus in his second booke and thirteenth chapter of common places . These Bellarmine confutes by most weighty arguments , as he cals them , and shewes that by this defence the vulgar Edition should be most corrupt , in 2. booke of the word of God , chap. 2. pag. 108. DECAD II. First , Pagnin , Paulus Forosempron , Eugubius , Io. Mirandulanus , Driedo , Sixtus Senensis , all together by the eares . COncerning this vulgar Latine Edition , there is no small question . That it is not Ieromes , is held by Sanctus Pagninus , in the praeface of his interpretation of the Bible to Clement the eight , and Paulus Bishop of Forosempronium , in his second booke , first chapter of the day of Christs passion . Contrarily , that it is Ieromes is defended by Augustine Eugubinus , and Iohannes Picus Mirandulanus in bookes set out to that purpose , and by some others . But that it is mixt both of the new and old , is maintained by Io. Driedo in his second booke , ch . 1. and Sixtus Senensis in his 8. booke of the holy Library , and the end . Bellarm. 2. booke , chap. 9. pag. 135. Secondly , Bellarmine against some nameles Authors . COncerning the Translation of the Septuagint , though I know some hold it is vtterly lost , yet I hold rather that it is so corrupted , that it seemes another . Bellarm. 2. booke , ch . 6. pag. 127. Thirdly , Valla , Faber , Erasmus , and others against Bellarmine . THat place Rom. 1.32 . not onely Kemnitius , but also Valla , Erasmus , Iacobus Faber and others would haue to be corrupted in the Latine vulgar . Bellarmine confutes them , and would shew that their Latine Translation herein is better then the Greeke originall . Bellarm. same booke , chap. 14. pag. 168. Fourthly , Card. Caietane against Bellarmine . THomas Caietanus in his Treatise of the Institut . and authority of the B. of Rome , chap. 5. teacheth , that the Keyes of the Kingdome of Heauen are not the same with the power of binding and loosing ; for that the keyes of the Kingdome of Heauen includes the power of order and iurisdiction , and somewhat more : But this doctrine seemes to vs more subtile then true ; for it was neuer heard of , that the Church had any other keyes besides those of order , and iurisdiction . Bellarm. 1. booke of the Pope , ch . 12. pag. 101. Fiftly , Ioachim , Raymundus , a namelesse Frenchman against all Catholikes . THat there are three eternall spirits , Father , Sonne Holy Ghost essentially differing , was taught by a certaine Frenchman in Anselmes time ; and the same seemes to be held by Ioachim the Abbot , in the yeare 1190. and Raymundus Lullius , in the yeare 1270. confuted by Bellarmine in his first booke de Christo. cha . 2. pag. 37. Sixtly , Erasmus confuted by Bellarmine . BEllarmines disputation against the Transsiluani , and Erasmus as their patrone , concerning the Diuinity of Christ , warranted from diuers places of Scripture . See Bell. l. 1. de Christo. ch . 6. pag. 72.73 . Seuenthly , Bellarmine against Durandus . THE fourth error is of Durandus in 3. d. 22. q. 3. who taught , that Christs soule descended not to hell in substance , but only in certaine effects , because it did illuminate those holy Fathers , which were in Limbo : which opinion to be erroneous ( and yet not so ill as Caluins ) is proued by foure arguments ; and all his obiections answered by Bellarm. l. 4. de Christo ch . 15. pag. 391.392 , &c. Eightly , Bonauenture against Thomas SAint Thomas p. 3. q. 52. Art. 2. teaches , that Christ by his reall presence descended but to Limbus Patrum , and in effect onely to the other places of hell : but it is probable that his soule discended to all . Secondly , Saint Thomas seemes to say ( p. 3. q. 52. ar . 1. ) that it was some punishment to Christ to be in hel according to his soule , &c. And Caietane ( in act . 2. ) saith that the sorrowes of Christs death continued in him , til his resurrection , in regard of three penalties , whereof the second is , that the soule remained in hell , a place not conuenient for it . But Bonauent . in 3. d. 22. q. 4. saith , that Christs soule while it was in hell , was in the place of punishment indeede , but without punishment , which seemes to me more agreeable to the Fathers . Bellarm. l. 4 de Christo. c. 16. p. 396.397 , &c. Ninthly , Bellarmine and all other Papists against Lyranus . NIcolaus Lyranus is not of so great authority that we should oppose him to all the auncient Fathers and Historians , which say , that Peter was slaine at Rome ( not as Lyranus at Hierusalem . ) Bellarm. l. 2. of the Pope of Rome , ch . 10. pag. 210. Tenthly , Aeneas Syluius confuted by Bellarmine . THat speech of Aeneas Syluius ( afterwards Pope ) that before the Nicene Councel each man liued to himselfe , and there was small respect had of the Bishop of Rome is partly true , and partly false : It is true that the power of the Popes was somewhat in those times hindred ; but it is not true that there was so little respect giuen him . Bellarm. l. 2. de Pontif. c. 17. pag : 252. DECAD . III. First , Martinus Polonus confuted by Bellarmine . THE confutation of Martinus Polonus which liued An. 1250. in that storie of Pope Ioane , deliuered from him by Sigebertus , Marianus Scotus , Platina and others . See Bellarm. l. 3. de Pontif. c. 24. pag. 464.465 , &c. Secondly , Bellarmine against Valla. THe sixteenth is Pope Celestinus , whom Laurentius Valla affirmes , to haue been infected with the heresie of Nestorius ; in his declamation against the Donation of Constantine . But Valla lyes falsly . Bellarm . l. 4. de Pont. c. 10. p. 512. Thirdly , Darandus and Adrian against Pope Gregorie and Bellarmine . SAint Gregorie the first is by Durandus , in 4. Di. 7. q. 4. accused of error , for that he permitted vnto presbiters to conferre the Sacrament of confirmation ; which is onely by right proper to Bishops : By reason of which place of Gregorie , Adrian in quest , of confirmation , art . vlt. affirmeth , that the Pope may erre in defining points of Faith , but in truth , not S. Gregorie erreth herein , but Durandus and Adrian . Bellarm . l. 4. de Pont. c. 10. p. 517. Fourthly , Gratian , Gerson , Panormitan answered by Bellarmine . GRatians speech ( 36. quaest . 2. can . vlt ) that Hieromes authority being defenced by Scripture , crossed a whole generall Councell ; and Panormitans , and Gersons , that one priuate mans opinion , if he be furnished with better authorities from Scripture , is to bee preferred to the opinion of the Pope : and that any one learned man may , and ought in some cases to resist a whole Councell . See confuted , and qualified by Bellar. l. 1. de Concil . cap. 16. p. 72. Fiftly , Pighius , Turrecremata , Caietane , other Popish Doctors against Bellarmine in fiue seuerall opinions . IN this question , whether in case of heresie the Pope may be iudged and deposed , there are fiue different opinions . The first of Albertus Pighius , 4. booke of Eccles. Hierarchy , ch . 8. who holds that the Pope can not be an Hereticke , and therefore can in no case be deposed : which is a probable opinion , but not certaine , and is contrary to the common opinion . The second of Io. de Turrecremata , 4. B. part 2. c. 20. that the Pope , in that he fals into an heresie , though inward and secret , is without the Church and deposed of God ; and therefore that he may be iudged , that is declared to be deposed ( de facto ) if hee yet refuse to yeelde . But this opinion I cannot allow . The third is in another extreame , that the Pope neyther for secret nor manifest heresie is , or can be deposed : This Io. Turrecremata in the place forecited confuteth ; and indeed it is an opinion very improbable . The fourth is Caietanes in his Tract of the authority of the Pope and the Councel , ch . 20. and 21. That a Pope which is manifestly hereticall , is not ( ipso facto ) deposed , but may and ought to be deposed by the Church : which opinion in my iudgement cannot be defended . Here therefore Bellarmine defends these positions against Caietane . 1 That euery manifest hereticke is ipso facto deposed , out of Tit. 3. 2 That a manifest hereticke cannot be the Pope . 3 That an hereticke loosing faith , and retaining the Character still , is yet without the Chuch . 4 That the Pope cannot be deposed for ignorance or wickednes . 5 That the Pope may not bee deposed by the Church . The fift opinion is true , that the Pope being a manifest hereticke , ceases of himselfe to be Pope and head of the Church : as of himselfe he ceases to be a Christian and member of the Church ; and therefore that he may be iudged and punished by the Church . Bellarmine 2. b. of 3. Gener. Contro . chap. 30. pag. 317. Sixtly , Some namelesse Doctors against Bellarmine . IT is the opinion of some Catholikes , as Iodocus Clictonaeus reporteth , that Mahumet was that Antichrist properly called , because he came about the yeare 666. as Iohn foretold . But this reason of theirs is friuolous , Bellarm. third booke of the Pope , chap. 3. pag. 346. Seuenthly , Bellarmine against Bb. Iansenius . I Cannot enough maruell what Bishop Iansenius meant , in that he wrote that although it be the opinion of all the auncient , that Elias shall come , yet that it is not conuinced out of that place in Ecclesiasticus , chap. 48.10 . for if it be so as Iansenius saith , it followes that Ecclesiasticus both is , and hath written false . Bellarm. in 3. b. c. 6. pag. 357. Eightly , Dominicus a Soto against Bellarmine . ONe doubt remaines , whether by the cruell persecution of Antichrist , the Christian faith and Religion shall be vtterly extinguished : Dominicus a Soto defends it in 4. booke of sentences , d. 46. q. 1. art . 1. But this opinion in my iudgement cannot be defended . Bellarmine l. 3 chap. 17. pag. 417. Ninthly , Gerson , Almaine , Pope Adrian , Hosius , Eckius , &c , Pighius , Thomas Waldensis , in three contradictory opinions . COncerning the Popes certainety of iudgement , there are foure diuers opinions . The first is , that the Pope as Pope may be an hereticke in himselfe , and may teach others heresie , although he define something euen with a generall Councell : This is the opinion of all the heretickes of this time , Luther , Caluin , &c. The second that the Pope as Pope may be an hereticke , and teach heresie if he define without a generall Councell , and that it hath so happened . This opinion followes Nilus in his booke against the Primacy of the Pope . Io. Gerson , and Almaine : Alphonsus de Castro , and Pope Adrian the sixt , in the quaest . of confirmation : which opinion is not meerely hereticall , but is erroneous and neare to heresie . The third in an other extreame , That the Pope cannot by any meanes be an hereticke , nor teach heresie , publiquely , though he should alone determine any matter . So holds Albert Pighius B. 4. of Eccles. Hierar . c. 8. The fourth , That the Pope whether he may be an heretick or no , cannot by any meanes define any hereticall point to be beleeued of the whole Church . This , which is the commonest opinion , holds Thomas 22. quaest . 1. art . 10. Tho. Waldensis , l. 2. of the Doctr. of faith , ch . 47. Io. de Turrecremata , Io. Driedo , Caietane , Hosius , Eckius , Io. of Louan , Petrus a Soto , &c. Bellarm. B. 4. of the Pope , ch . 2. pag. 473. Tenthly , the Sorbonists and some other concealed Doctors against Bellarmine . THat prayer of Christ for Peters faith , that it might not faile , is expounded : 1 By the Parisian Diuines , That the Lord prayed for his vniuersall Church , or for Peter as he bore the figure of the whole Church , which exposition is false . 2 Others that liue at this day teach ; That the Lord in this place prayed for the perseuerance of Peter alone in the grace of God , vntill the end , confuted by foure arguments . 3 The third exposition is true ; That the Lord obtained for Peter two priuiledges : One , that hee should neuer loose the true faith , though neuer so much tempted ; The other , that he as Pope should neuer teach any thing against the faith . Bell. b. 4. ch 3. pag. 477. DECAD . IIII. First , Melchior Canus and others , against Pighius , Hosius , Io. Louan , Onuphrius . NOt only the heretickes , but some Catholicke Doctors , haue held Pope Honorius to haue been an hereticke , so doth Melchior Canus from the two Epistles of Honorius himselfe to Sergius , wherein he approoues the doctrine of the Monothelites : from the 6. Synod , Act. 13. seuenth Synod . Act. last , eighth Synod , Act. 7. From the Epistle of Pope Agatho , from the Epistle of Pope Leo 2. from Tharasius , Theodorus , Epiphanius the Deacon , Bede , &c. But in the behalfe of Honorius haue written Albert Pighius , Hosius , Io. of Louan , Onuphrius : Bellarm. B. 4. ch . 11. pag. 519. Secondly , Alphonsus de Castro against Bellarmine , Celestin Pope against Innocentius . ALphonsus de Castro affirmes flatly , that Pope Celestinus was an hereticke ; the first Booke of heres . chap. 4. for that he held Matrimony so dissolued by heresie , that he whose wife was proued hereticall , might marry againe : Contrary to which is taught by Pope Innocentius [ 3. ch . Quanto . of diuorces ] and the same is defined in the Councell of Trent [ Sess. 4. Canon . 5. ] But I answer that neither Celestinus nor Innocentius determine any certainty of that matter . Bellarm. l. 4. c. 14. pag. 545. Thirdly , Pope Nicholas against Pope Iohn , Bellarmine against Turrecremata . POpe Nicholas the third defines , that Christ by his word and example taught perfect pouerty , which consists in the abdication of all our substance ; no power of it being left to a man , either in particular or common ; and that such pouerty is holy and meritorious : But Pope Iohn . 20. in his extrauagants teaches this to be false and hereticall : Io. de Turrecremata goes about wholly to reconcile these two Popes : but in truth , if I be not much deceiued , they cannot be in all things reconciled . Bellarm. b. 4. chap. 14. pag. 546. Fourthly , Occam , Adrian , Gerson , Erasmus against Bellarmine . THat Pope Iohn . 22. was an hereticke in teaching that the soules of the blessed shall not see God till the resurrection , is affirmed by Gul. Occam . Adrian , Erasmus , Io. Gerson . He thought so indeede , but then it was not heresie , so to thinke , because no Councell had defined the question , and Io. Villanus reports , that the day before his death , he partly explaned , and partly recanted his opinion . Bellarmine same chapter and booke . pag. 548. Fiftly , Abulensis against Turrecremata . OF the inward iurisdiction in the Court of conscience ; there is some dissention amongst our Authors : for Abulensis * holds this power giuen to all Priests immediately from God , when they are ordained : now that yet notwithstanding this , euery Priest cannot bind or loose whatsoeuer Christians , is therefore ordered , because the Church to take away confusion hath diuided Diocesses ; and subiected one people to one Bishop , another to another . But Io. de Turrecremata ❀ teaches that this power is not giuen of God by the force of ordination , but by man vpon his meere iniunction . Bellarm. B. 4. c. 22. p. 589. Sixtly , Three ranks of Popish Doctors at variance . HOw Bishops receiue their iurisdiction , there are three opinions amongst our Diuines . The first , that as well Apostles as other Bishops , did , and doe receiue it immediatly from God. So teach Franciscus Victoria , and Alphonsus de Castro . The second of those that hold , the Apostles not to haue receiued their iurisdiction from Christ , but from Peter ; and Bishops not from Christ , but Peters successor . So Io. de Turrecremata and Dominicus Iacobatius . The third of them , which teach , that the Apostles indeed receiued all their authority immediately from Christ ; but other Bishops receiued it not from Christ , but from the Pope : so holds Caietane , Dominicus a Soto , Franciscus Vargas , Herbaeus , Gabriell , Bonauenture , Albert , Durand . and others . Bellarm. B. 4. c. 22. p. 590. Seuenthly , Aug. Triumphus , Aluar. Pelagius , Hostiensis , &c. against Henricus , Turrecrem . Pighius , Waldensis , &c. OF the Popes temporall power , are three opinions of authors : First that the Pope hath full power ouer all the world , both in spirituall things and temporall . So teach August . Triumphus , Aluarus Pelagius , and many Lawyers , Hostiensis , Siluester , and others not a few : yea Hostiensis goes further , and teaches , that all dominion of Infidell Princes , is by Christs comming translated to the Church , and rests in the Pope . The second in another extreame , that the Pope as Pope and by the law of God hath no temporall power , nor can any way rule ouer secular Princes , and depriue them of their Prince-dome , though they deserue it . So all the heretickes . The third , which is the meane betwixt both , is the commonest opinion of Catholike Diuines , that the Pope as Pope hath not directly and immediately any temporall power , but onely spirituall ; yet in respect to his spirituall iurisdiction , that hee hath at least indirectly a certaine power , and that supreame , euen in temporall things . So teach Hugo , Halensis , Durandus , Henricus , Driedo , Turrecremata , Pighius , Waldensis , Petrus de Palude , Caietane , Francis Victoria , Dominicus a Soto , Nicholas Saunders , &c. What Thom. Aquinas thinkes of this temporall power of the Pope , is vncertaine . Bellar. l. 5. c. 1. pag. 600. Eightly , Onuphrius against Bellarmine and Hostiensis . ONuphrius writes , that the appointment of the Electors of the Romane Empire , was done by Gregorie the tenth , but Innocent . 3. which was before Gregorie 10. speakes of this Institution , and Hostiensis that was likewise before him , saith , that Innocentius speaks of the seuen Electors : and Aluarus Pelagius , who liued in the memorie of Gregorie 10. reports this to haue beene the act of Gregorie 5. Bellarm. l. 5. c. 8. p. 633. Ninthly , Pighius against Bellarm. Pope Celestine , Councell of Chalcedon . THE beginning of Councels Albertus Pighius in his 6. B. of the heauenly Hierarchy ch . 1. defends to be altogether humane and deuised by naturall reason ; But it is more probable that it is Diuine , for the Councell of Chalcedon in an Epistle to Leo , and the sixt Synod , Act. 17 and Pope Celestine in an Epistle to the Councell of Ephesus , and the third Councell of Toledo , teach that Councels are imported in those words of Christ , Matth. 18. Wheresoeuer two or three , &c. Bellarm. de concil . & Eccles. milit . lib. 1. c. 3. pag. 25. Tenthly , some vn-named Catholickes against Bellarm. Turrecremata , Canus . SOme Catholickes hold , that all Bishops are not Iudges in Councels , for then ( say they ) the Pope should be bound , who is president in the Councell , to follow the greater part of Bishops ; but this is false , as appeares in the practises of Damasus and Leo. I answere first , that perhaps it neuer fell so out , that the Pope should follow the lesser part in the Councell , when they haue giuen their voices without all fraud . Secondly I say , that the President of the Councell , as President , must follow the greater part of the voyces ; but the Pope not as President , but as the chiefe Prince of the Church , may recall and retract that iudgement . So Io. de Turrecremata [ lib. 3. c. 6.3 . ] and Canus [ lib. 5. c. 5 ] Bellarm. ibid. ch . 18. p. 81. DECAD . V. First , Bellarmine against some Catholikes namelesse . THat particular Councels confirmed by the Pope cannot erre in faith , and manners , there are some Catholickes that denie : which as yet are not by the Church condemned for Heretickes : But surely it is rash , erroneous , and neare to heresie , to affirme that particular Councels confirmed by the Pope may erre . Bellarmine , l. 2. ch . 5. p. 114. Secondly , Alanus Copus against Bellarmine . IT is a very vncertaine thing , what was decreede of Images in the Councell of Francford ; for the ancient authors agree not with themselues : by reason of this confusion , Alanus Copus in his fourth and fift Dialogue , teaches , that in that Synod of Francford the hereticall Councell of Constantinople was onely condemned : the Nicene not onely not condemned , but confirmed : which opinion I wish to be true , but I suspect it to be false . Bellarmine ibid. chap. 8. pag. 137. Thirdly , Bellarmine against Vega. SOme answere , as Vega in the Councell of Trent [ b. 3. c. 39. ] that any Councell is lawfull , if held by the faithfull , not for that Historians witnes so , but because the Councell it selfe defineth so of it selfe ; for they vse euer in the beginning of their act , so to determine their meeting lawfull , and in the Holy Ghost . But sure this answere is not found ; for first the auncient Councels had not wont to witnesse so of themselues . Secondly , eyther it appeares to vs , that the Councell is a lawfull one ; or it appeares not : if it do appeare , such a Decree is in vaine , if it doe not appeare , we shall as well doubt of that Decree , as of the Councel . Bellarmine same booke , cap. 9. pag. 148. Fourthly , Parisienses against Caietane : Turrecremata and Bellarmine against Canus . OF generall Councels there are diuers opinions amongst vs. First the Diuines of Paris , and all those which teach , that the Councell is aboue the Pope , thinke that lawfull generall Councels cannot erre , euen before the confirmation of the Pope . Contrary to these , teach others , as Caietane [ in Apolog. ] Io. Turrecremata , [ lib. 3. cap. 32.33 , 34. ] But when Councels define something with the consent of the Popes Legates , not hauing had full instruction : what authority they haue , is stil in controuersie . But I thinke such a Councell may erre , before the popes owne confirmation . Canus and others hold the contrary . Bellarm. l. 2. c. 11. p. 153. Fiftly , Bellarmine against Gratian. GRatian dist . 19. affirmes , that the decretall Epistles of popes ought to be numbred amongst the Canonicall Scriptures , and Di. 20. he saith , that the Canons of Councels are of the same authority with Decretall Epistles ; and pope Gregorie in his first B. Epist. 24. saith , he reuerences the foure first Councels , as the foure Euangelists . I answere first , that Gratian was deceiued by a depraued copy , which he followed , &c. As for Gregorie , I answere that his ( As ) doth not signifie equality , but similitude . Bellarm. l. 2. c. 12. pag. 161. Sixtly , Three rankes of Popish Diuines dissenting . IN this question , Whether the pope be aboue the Councell , I finde three opinions of our Doctors . First , that the Councell is aboue the pope : so affirm al the hereticks of this time : and the same is taught by Card. Cameracensis , Io. Gerson , Iacob . Almaine , and some others : Also Nicol. Cusanus , Card. Panormitanus , and his Master the Cardinall of Florence , and Abulensis in cap. 18. of Matthew , q. 108. This opinion hath two grounds . 1 That the Pope is not properly the head of the whole Church , gathered together . 2 That the supreame power of the Church is as well in the Councell , as in the Pope ; but in the Councell principally , immediately , and immoueably : And in the defence of this point , these Authors againe differ from themselues , whiles some hold this power formally and subiectiuely in the Pope ; and finally in the Church . Others will haue it formally and principally in the Church ; and instrumentally in the Pope . Second opinion is of some Canonists , which will haue the Pope aboue the Councell , and that he cannot vpon constraint be iudged by any ; but that he may subiect himselfe ( if he will ) to the Councell . So teacheth the Glosse . in Canon . Nossi , &c. The third is the more common opinion , That the Pope is so aboue the Councell , that he cannot subiect himselfe vnto the iudgement thereof ; if we speake of a coactiue sentence : So al the old Schoolemen hold ; Albert , Thomas , Bonauenture , Richard Paludanus a , so b Antoninus , c Turrecremata , d Al. Pelagius , Iacobatius , Caietane , Pighius , Turrianus , and Saunders , and many other there mentioned . Bellarmine , l. 2. c. 13. pag. 166. Seuenthly , Councell of Basill against Eugenius , and Leo , Popes . THat which the Councell of Basill defined of the authority of the Councell aboue the Pope , was neuer by any Pope allowed . Pope Eugenius first did professedly reiect it : then Pope Leo the tenth , in the last Councell of Lateran . Sess. 11. as also the whole Church , which euer held Eugenius ( who by the councell of Basill was deposed ) for the true Pope . Bellarm . lib. 2. cap. 19. pag. 186. where Io. Gerson is by him confuted . Eightly , Driedo against Bellarm. and Canus . THe Author of the booke de Dog. Eccl. c. 74. openly saith , that Nouices in Religion dying before their baptisme cannot be saued : but this seemes ouerhard : Melchior Canus holds they may be saued ; because though they be not of the christian Church , yet they are of that Church , that comprehends all faithfull ones , from Abel to the end of the world . But this satisfies not : I answere , that this rule , No man without the Church can be saued , is to be vnderstood of those which neither indeede , nor in defire are of the Church . Bellarmine , lib. 3. cap. 3. pag. 159. Ninthly , Bellarmine against Alphonsus de Castro . ALphonsus de Castro [ in his second booke of the iust punishment of heretickes , chap. 34. ] teaches that heretickes and Apostates , if once baptized are members and parts of the Church , although they openly professe false Doctrine : which opinion , as it is plainely false , so may easily be refuted . Bellarm. l. 3. c. 4. p. 196. Tenthly , Alphonsus and others against Bellarmine . SOme Catholiks doubt concerning Schismaticks , whether they be of the Church : yea Alphonsus de Castro flatly affirmes them to be of the Church ; but it is easie to shew the contrary out of Scriptures and traditions of the Fathers . Bellarmine , l. 3. c. 5. where also he holds the definition which pope Nicholas giues of the church to be imperfect . p. 200.203 . DECAD . VI. First , Catechism . Rom. Waldensis , Turrecremata , &c. against some namelesse Papists . THat persons excommunicate are not of the church , is taught by the Catechisme of Rome , by Tho. Waldensis , Io. de Turrecremata , Io. Driedo , and some others . The contrary is defended by others : whose three obiections are answered by Bellarmine . Bellarm. lib. 3. cap. 6. pag. 205. Secondly , Bellarmine against some not named Papists . FOr answering of that place of Austen l. 2. against Cresconius , that notorious wicked men are not of the Church ; not only Brentius and Caluin heretikes , but some Catholikes , faine two Churches , and they doe but faine them indeede ; for neyther Scripture nor Austen euer mention more then one . Bellarm. l. 3. c. 9. p. 229. Thirdly , Bellarmine against Turrecremata . THat close Infidels , that haue neyther faith nor any other Christian vertue , yet externally for some temporall commodity , professe the Catholike faith , belong not to the true Church , is taught , not onely by the Caluinists , but by some of our Catholikes ; amongst whom is Io. de Turrecremata , l. 4. de Eccles. But we follow their phrase of speech , which say , that those , who by an externall profession onely are ioyned to the faithfull , are true parts of the body of the Church , though drie and dead . Bellarm. l. 3. c. 10. pag. 232. Fourthly , Alexander Alensis , and Turrecremata against Bellarmine . THere are some Catholike Doctors , which teach , in the passion of our Lord , there remained true faith in none , but the blessed Virgin alone : and that they hold to be signified by that one candle , which alone is kept light in the third night before Easter . So holds Alexander Alensis [ 3. p. q. vlt. art . 2. ] and Iohn de Turrecremata [ l. 1. de Eccles. c. 30. ] But I wonder at Turrecremata , who for so slight an argument from a candle , saith , it is against the faith of the Vniuersall Church to affirme otherwise . For Rupertus in his 5. booke of Diuine offices , chap. 26. sayeth , that in his time , the last candle also had wont to bee quenched . It may be answered rather with Abulensis , that by this candle is signified , that onely in the blessed Virgin ; there was for those three dayes an explicit faith of the resurrection . Bellarmine l. 3. c. 17. pag. 27. Fiftly , Caietane , Francisc. Victoria , against other Doctors . IF there were no constitution for the choice of the Pope , and all the Cardinals should perish at once : the question is , in whom should be the right of the Election . Some hold , that the right of the choyce ( setting aside the positiue law ) should belong to the Councell of Bishops : as Caietane in his treatise of the power of the Pope and Councell , chap. 13. Franciscus Victoria , Relect. 2. q. 2. of the power of the Church : others ( as Siluester reports , in the word excommunication ) teach , that it pertaines to the Clergy of Rome . Bellarm. in his first booke of the members of the Church militant . c. 10. p. 52. Sixtly , Bellarmine against Antonius Delphinus , and Michael Medina . TO that obiection out of Ierome , who saith vpon the first to Titus , that a presbiter is the same with a Bishop ; is answered by Antonius Delphinus ( l. 2. of the Church ) that in the beginning of the church all Presbiters were Bishops . But this satisfies not . Michael Medina [ in his first booke de sacr . hom . Origine ] affirmes , that S. Ierome held the same opinion with the Aerian heretickes , and that not onely Ierome was in this heresie , but also Ambrose , Austen , Sedulius , Primasius , Chrisostom . Theodoret , Oecumenius , Theophilact . The opinion of these men was condemned , first in Aerius , then in the Waldenses , and after in Wickliffe . But this opinion of Medina is very inconsiderate . Bellarm. same booke , c. 15. p. 75. Seuenthly , Bellarmine against Onuphrius . THe opinion of Onuphrius concerning the names or titles of Cardinals , see confuted by Bellarmine in the same booke , c. 16. p. 82. Eightly , Io. Maior . and Iodoc. Clictonaeus against S. Thomas , Caietane , Sotus . IOhannes Maior holds , that the vow of single life of Priests , stands by the law of God , and therefore cannot be dispensed with : So also Iod. Clictonaeus [ in his booke de Contin . Sacerd. ] who there defends two opinions which cannot hold together : but S. Thomas [ in 2.2 . q. 88. art . 11. ] saith plainely , that the vow of continency , is onely by the decree of the Church , annexed to holy orders , and therefore may be dispensed with : the same teaches Caietane in opusc . and Sotus in his seuenth booke of Iustice , &c. Bellarm. lib. 1. cap. 18. pag. 92. Ninthly , Erasmus and Panormitan against the other Popish Doctors . ERasmus in a declamation of the praise of Matrimonie , holds it profitable , that liberty of mariage should be granted to Priests : and the same is taught by Card. Panormitan , a Catholike and learned Doctor ( in the Chapt. Cum olim . ) Against these errors we are to proue , that the vow of continency is so annexed to holy orders , that they neyther may marry , nor conuerse with their wiues formerly married . Bellarm. same booke , c. 19. p. 95. Tenthly , the Glosse , Innocent . Panormitan , Hostiensis , opposed by all Diuines , and some Canonists . THe fourth error is of many of the canonists , which hold , that tithes , euen according to the determination of quantity , stand by the Law of God ; and that no other quantity can be set downe by any humane law or custome : So the Glosse , Innocentius , Panormitan , Hostiensis ; but doubtlesse it is a manifest errour , as not onely all Diuines , but some Canonists also teach , as Syluester in the word Decima , quaest . 4. and Nauar. cap. 21. And herein many of the Canonists offend double : once , in that they defend a falshood ; Twise , in that they doe almost condemne all those Diuines as heretickes , which hold the contrary . Bellarm . same booke c. 25. p. 145. DECAD . VII . First , Sotus against Syluester , and Nauar , Bellarmine and Aquinas with both . WHether the Precept of Tithes , as it is Positiue and Humane , may by custome bee altered , is doubtfull . Sotus holdes directly it cannot , booke 9. quaest . 4. art . 1. and thinkes that this is the iudgement of Aquinaes . But I thinke with Siluester and Nauarre , that it may , and I doubt not , but this is the opinion of Aquinas . Bellarm. ibid. p. 148. Secondly , Bellarmine against Thomas Waldensis . THomas Waldensis teaches , that Clerkes should eyther giue their goods to the poore , or lay them together in common ; and proues it by some sentences of Fathers , Origen , Hierome , Bernard . But it is certaine that Clerkes are not by their profession , tyed to put away their patrimony . Bellarmine same booke , c. 27. p. 156. Thirdly , Marsilius Paduan . Io. de Ianduno . Turrecremata : Canonists , Glosse , Driedonius , Francisc. Victoria , Dominicus a Soto , Couarruuias dissenting . IN the question concerning the liberty of Ecclesiasticall persons , are three opinions : First is of many heretickes , that Clerkes are and should be subiect to secular powers , both in payment of tributes , and in iudgements , especially not Ecclesiasticall : So also Marsilius of Padua , and Io. de Ianduno teach , that Christ himselfe was not free from paying tribute , and that he did it not voluntarily , but of necessity , as is reported by Turrecremata . The second opinion in another extreame , is of many Canonists , who hold that by the Law of God , Clerkes and their goods are free from the power of secular Princes : so teaehes the Glosse , in Can. Tributum : and of this minde seemes Io. Driedonius to be in his booke of Christian liberty , ch . 9. The third in the meane , is of many Diuines , that clerkes are free partly by the law of God , partly by the law of men , and partly neyther way : so thinkes Franciscus Victoria , Dominicus a Soto , Couarruuias in his booke of practicall quaestions . Bellarmine same booke cap. 28. where he disputes against the Canonists , confutes Cornelius Iansenius , and followes Tostatus and Caietane in the exposition of Austen , and lastly , refels Dominicus a Soto , &c. pag. 159.166.167 . Fourthly , Dominicus a Soto and Alphonsus against Saint Thomas and Bonauenture . IT is a question among Diuines , whether dueties commanded by God , doe properly fall within the compasse of our vowes : for some denie it , as Thomas and Bonauenture ( in 4. dist . 38. ) Others affirme it , as some latter writers Dominicus a Soto , l. 7. de iustit . & iure : Alphonsus a Castro . l. 1. of penall law , &c. c. 10. Bellarmine Controu . 5. Gener. b. 2. c. 19.1 . De membr . Eccles. militant . pag. 278. Fiftly , Scotus and Albertus , and Bellarmine against Saint Thomas . ALthough Saint Thomas doth not admit an absolute vow of virginity , in the blessed Virgin , before her espousal , yet Scotus doth admit it , in 4. dist . 30 quaest . 2. And before Scotus , Albertus Magnus in his booke of the praises of our Lady , and before Albert the holy Fathers , Nissenus and Augustine . Neyther doe I see , how that vow can preiudice the celebration of her true marriage ; if it be supposed ( as all Diuines doe ) that it was reuealed to her , that Saint Ioseph should neuer require of her matrimoniall beneuolence . Bellarm. ibid. c. 22. p. 296. Sixtly , Scotus , Paludanus , Caietane , against Albertus , Thomas , Bonauenture , Richard , Durand , &c. WHether after a solemne vow made , matrimony be quite dissanulled by the law of God , and of nature ; or onely by the law of the Church , is questioned : For Albertus , S. Thomas , S. Bonauenture , Richard , and Durand , in the 4. dist . 38. and Dominicus a Soto in his 7. booke of law and iustice , q. 2. art . 5. will haue the mariage , by the law of God and nature vtterly void , if it be made after a solemne vow taken : But Scotus and Paludanus in 4. d. 38. and Caietane , and all the whole schoole of Lawyers ( as Panormitan reporteth ) affirme , that such mariage is onely voyde by the law of the Church . Bellarm. ibid. c. 34. p. 378. Seuenthly , Erasmus and Espencaeus , Iustinian and Gregory , Bellarmine and the common sort disagreeing . OF the fourth are two extreame errors : One of Martin Chemnitius and the M●gdeburgenses , who teach , that Matrimony whether ratified and consummate , or ratified only , cannot be dissolued by the profession of a monasteriall life . So also teacheth Erasm. [ vpon 7. ch . of 1. Cor. ] and to the same iudgement inclineth Claudius Espencaeus in his sixt b. ch 4. of Contin . Another errour in the contrary extreme , that mariage , thogh fully consummate , is dissolued by entring into Religion : So decreed Iustinian G. of Bishops , and this law is related by Gregorie , ( b. 9. Epist. 39. ) But the iudgement of the Church is in the meane between both , that matrimony ratified onely , is so dissolued , not when it is consummate : So besides many Canons , the Councell of Trent . Sess. 24. Can. 6. Bellarm. ibid. ch . 38. p. 394. &c. Eightly , Io. of Louan and Bellarm. against George Cassander . THe third error is of George Cassander [ in his b. of the office of a good man ] who holdeth that Princes ought to seek a way of reconciliatiō betwixt the catholiks , Lutherans , Caluininsts , &c. and til they do find it out ; that they ought to permit to euery one his own faith ; so that they al receiue the scripture and the Creed Apostolike . This is a manifest error , and against him wrote of the Catholike Doctors , Iohn of Louan ; of the hereticks Iohn Caluin : and this opinion may easily be confuted . Bellarmine l. 3. c. 19. p. 500. Ninthly , some namelesse Doctors , also Scotus , Thomas , and Bellarmine in three diuers opinions . THere haue beene some which haue denied , that veniall sinne could be remitted after this life , as Saint Thomas reports , [ in 4. dist . q. 21. art . 2. ] but said , that all veniall sinnes are remitted in the instant of death , by a finall grace : But they are deceiued , for both Scriptures and Fathers teach vs , that small sins are remitted after this life , &c. Others ( as Scotus in the 4. dist . 21. q. 1. ) say , that sinne after the act is passed , leaues onely a guilt of punishment behind it : and therefore veniall sinne is said to be remitted in Purgatorie , because it is there wholly punished ; but mortall sinne is not said to be forgiuen after this life , because it is neuer there totally punished . This opinion is also false . Another opinion of the same Scotus is , that venial sinnes are remitted in the first moment of the soules seperation from the body , by the vertue of our fore-going merits : but this pleaseth me not : the opinion of Thomas is truer , that veniall sinnes are remitted in Purgatorie by the act of loue and patience , &c. Bellarm. 6. controu . gener . of Purgat . l. 1. c. 14. p. 84. Tenthly , some vn-named Papists against Bonauenture , Scotus , Durand , Thomas , &c. SOme Catholikes , to proue that ( as they hold ) soules in Purgatory may merit , argue thus : The soules in Purgatorie haue all things necessarie for merit ; for they haue grace , faith , charity , freewill , &c. Also they proue it by the authority of Saint Thomas , in 4. dist . 1. q. 1. art . 3. But I answere to the argument ; That the soules in purgatorie cannot merite , because they are not in the state of their passage ; for God hath onely decreed , during this life to accept our good workes for merit : and after this life , good workes are the effects of glory : euill the effects of damnation . For Saint Thomas , I answere , that he changed his opinion , for ( in q. 7. of euill , art . 11. ) he saith directly , that there can be no merit in purgatorie : so also Bonauenture , Scotus , Durand , and others . Bellarm. ibid. l. 2. c. 3. p. 106. DECAD . VIII . First , Carthusian , Michael Baij , Gerson , Roffensis against the common opinion of Diuines . THe third question is , whether the soules in purgatorie be certaine of their saluation or no : Some Catholikes teach , that they are not ; who hold that there be sundrie punishments in Purgatorie ; whereof the greatest is vncertainty of saluation , with which they say , some soules are only punished . So seemes Dionisius Carthusianus to hold , by reason of certaine visions , which he reports ; and so teaches Michael Baij in his 2. b. of merit of workes , ch . 8. This way seemes to tend the opinion of Io. Gerson , lect . 1. of spirituall life , and Io. of Rochester against the 32. artic . of Luther . who hold veniall sinne to be onely vpon the mercy of God : and therefore that it may ( if God so will ) be eternally punished , &c. But the common opinion of Diuines is , That all soules in purgatory are certaine of their saluation . Bellarm. ibid. c. 4. p. 108. Secondly , Bellarmine warranted by Bede , Carthusian , and Gregorie against the Councell of Florence , and all Diuines . IN the first question concerning the number of places , there is great difficultie ; for on the one side all Diuines teach , that there are no other receptacles beside the foure mentioned ; and the Councell of Florence ( Ses. vlt. ) defines , that the soules which haue nothing to be purged , are straight taken into heauen : On the other side Beda in his 5. booke c. 13. tels of a very probable vision , which he doubted not to beleeue ; wherein was shewed to a certaine soule which after returned to the body , besides hell , Purgatorie and heauen , a goodly flourishing , pleasant , light-some and sweete Medow , wherein liued those soules which suffred nothing , but onely stayed there because they were not yet fit for heauen ; and diuers such visions are brought by Dionysius Cart● . & Greg. And it seemes to me not vnprobable that such a place there is to be found , which belongeth to Purgatorie : for though there be no punishment of paine , yet of losse there is . Therefore this place is a milder kind of purgatorie , and as it were a more Gentlemanlike and honorable prison . Bellarm. ibid. c. 7. p. 123. Thirdly , Alphonsus Ciaconus against Melchior Canus , and Dominicus a Soto . IF this history of Traian should be defended , we must say , that Traian was not absolutely condemned to hell , but onely punished in hell according to his present demerite , and that the sentence was suspended by reason of Gregories prayers foreseene by God ; and therfore that he was not immediatly translated from hell to heauen , but first vnited to the body , then baptized , and then that he did penance in this life : and this is the common answere of S. Thomas , Durand , Richard , and others : But I rather incline to the opinion of Melchior Canus , which simply reiects this history as fained : and of Dominicus a Soto , notwithstanding the Apology which Alphonsus Ciaconus hath 3. years agoe published , for this story . Bel. ib. c. 8. p. 124. Fourthly , Sotus , Abulensis , Thomas , Richardus , and Durandus differing . OF the damned I say : that he that is absolutely damned to eternal punishmēt cannot be recalled to life ; for then the damnatiō of the wicked shold be vncertain . Against this opinion is Abulensis [ quaest . 57. in the fourth booke of the Kings : ] To the instances brought , Sotus answers , that those Heathens were onely inuincibly ignorant , and therefore in Purgatorie : but I say , that those which were raysed , though they did deserue eternall damnation , yet were not condemned , but that their iudgement was suspended , and that in the meane time they were punisht , according to their present iniustice : So holds Saint Thomas , Richardus , Durand , and others . Bellarm. ibid. c. 8. pag. 133. Fiftly , Bellarmine against Dominicus a Soto . BEsides these errours ; it was the opinion of Dominicus a Soto [ vpon the 4. sent . dist . 19. q. 3. art . 2. ] that no man remaines ten yeares in Purgatorie . Whom see how Bellarmine confutes by reasons , by visions , by the custome of the Church . Bellarmine ibid. c. 9. pag. 133. Sixtly , Thomas and the Schoolemen against the visions of Bede and Carthusian . COncerning the third doubt , ' it is altogether vncertaine ; for , that the soules in Purgatory are punished neyther by Diuels , nor by Angels , but by fire onely , is taught by the Schoolemen , as Thomas [ vpon 4. dist . 20. art . 5. ] On the other part , that the soules in Purgatorie are punished by diuels , is taught by many reuelations , as that of S. Fursaeus in Beda , l. 3. hist. c. 19. and others : in Dionysius Carthusian in his book de 4. nouissimis . Bellarm. ibid. c. 13. p. 137. Seuenthly , Bonauenture against Thomas . ALthough all men graunt in some sort , that the punishment or paines of Purgatorie are greater then the paines of this life : yet it is doubtfull how this is to be vnderstood ; for Saint Thomas teaches two things : first that the paine of losse is the greatest of all paines , whether in Purgatorie , or in this life : Secondly , that the least paine of Purgatorie is greater then all the paines of this life . But Bonauenture , in 4. dist . 20. art . 1. teaches ; first that the paine of losse in Purgatory is not greater then euery paine , whether of Purgatory , or of this life : Secondly , he teaches that the paines of Purgatorie are greater then the paines of this life , onely in this sense ; because the greatest paine of purgatorie is greater then the greatest paine of this life : although there be found some other punishment in Purgatorie , lesse then some punishment in this life : which opinion pleaseth me best , for &c. Bellarm. ibid. cap. 14. pag. 138. Eightly , Dominicus a Soto against Petr. Cluniacensis . NEither ought any man to doubt , but that the soules of the departed Saints , which raigne with Christ , doe pray for the soules of the Saints which are in Purgatorie : the contray whereof is rashly affirmed by Dominicus a Soto , b. 4 sent . dist . 45. qu. 3. art . 2. Whom Bellar. confutes by the authority of Petrus Cluniacensis , Saint Austen , and lastly , of the whole church , who in that praier , which begins , God the giuer of Pardons , beseecheth God that by the intercession of Saint Mary and all Saints , the soules of the departed may come to the fellowship of eternal happinesse . Bellarm. ibid. c. 15. p. 141. Ninthly , Saint Thomas against Pet. Damian , and Bellarmine . THat the dead do good to the liuing , it is manifest : for 2. Macab . 15. we read that Onias and Hieremias long before departed , were seene to pray for the people of the Iewes then aliue : Neither is it incredible , that euen the soules in Purgatory doe pray for vs , and preuaile , since that the soule of Paschasius and Seuerinus ( though in Purgatorie ) wrought miracles , as appeares by Gregorie , [ B. 4. of Dialog . ch . 40. ] and Peter Damian in an Epistle of the miracles of his time : And though Saint Thomas in 2.2 . q. 83. art . 3. teach the contrary , yet his reason proueth nothing , &c. But although this be true , yet it seemes superfluous for vs , to sue to them that they may pray for vs ; because they cannot ordinarily know , what we doe in particular , but onely in common know that we are in many dangers , &c. Bellarm. ibid. c. 15. p. 142. Tenthly , Dominicus a Soto against many visions and Saint Brigit . ONe doubt remaines , whether the restitution of a thing detained , profit the dead , and so become a fourth kind of suffrage : for the soules of the departed are said to haue often appeared , and intreated for restitution of those things , which either they had forgotten , or could not restore : and Saint Brigit in her 6. b. of Reuelations , ch . 66. affirmes , that the soule is so long tormented , till that which was vniustly taken away be restored . Dominicus a Soto [ vpon 4. dist . 45. q. 2. art . 3. ] holdes , that such restitution , if it be made , auailes nothing , nor hinders nothing , if vn-made ; for God punishes not , but for our owne faults committed in our life time . As to those apparitions , I answere , that perhaps those soules doe not desire restitution , as it is restitution , but as an almes ; for although it do not benefite the soule , that he restores , which is bound to restore it , yet it will much profite it , if another restore it which is not bound : for this is a kind of almes , and therefore satisfactory . Bellarmine ibid. chap. 16. pag. 146. DECAD . IX . First , Sotus against Paludanus . IT is the iust man onely , that can helpe soules by his suffrages : for the vniust cannot satisfie for himselfe , much lesse for others . But you will say , What if a iust Prelate commaund his spirituall sonnes , to pray or fast for the departed , and those sonnes be vniust ? Paludanus answeres vpon 4. Sent. dist . 45 , q. 1. That all those deuotions doe profite the dead : But Sotus vppon better grounds denies it , in the same place . quaest 2. art . 2. Bellarm. ibid. c. 17. p. 147. Secondly , Caietane : some other Diuines , and the common opinion in three differences . BVt our Diuines dissent about particular suffrages : for Caietane in the first Tome of his Opuscul . ( trac . 16. q. 5. ) teaches , that all soules indeede may be , and are helpt by the generall suffrages ; but that by particular suffrages ; those soules onely are helped , which haue particularly deserued to be helped by them , and such he holds to be those , who haue had a speciall deuotion to the Keyes of the Church , and haue beene careful for the soules of others . Others , whom Saint Thomas cites [ vpon 4. dist . 45. q. 2. art . 4. ] say , that the suffrages which are made for one , doe not onely profite him , but all others , and not him more then others : as a Candle lighted for the Master , equally giues light to the seruants in the same place . But the common opinion is betweene both these ; that particular suffrages profite all them , and them onely ( as in the nature of satisfaction ) for whom they are made . Bellarmine ibid. ch . 18. pag. 151. Thirdly , Thomas and Bellarmine against Guilielm . de Sancto amore . Guilielmus de Sancto Amore , would haue that place of Christs speech ( Goe sell all , and giue to the poore , &c. ) vnderstood onely of the preparation of the minde , that it should be so disposed , as that it could part with all things ; against whom Saint Thomas wrote , opusc . 19. Bellarmine , l. 2. de membr . Eccles. mil. cap. 9. pag. 228. Fourthly , Gulielm . de Sancto Amore , confuted by Bellarm. ANother error was , that of Gulielmus de Sancto Amore , and after him of Io. Wickliffe , who teach , that Monkes are bound to liue by the worke of their own hands , &c. Bellarm. B. of Monks , cap. 41. pag. 420. Fiftly , Erasmus , Agrippa , Ferus against all Catholikes . ERasmus , Cornelius Agrippa , Io. Ferus haue in our dayes reuiued that opinion of the Manichees , that warre is not lawfull for Christians , holding herein with the Anabaptists . Bellarm. l. de Laicis . c 14. p. 476. Sixtly , eight opinions of Papists ( and some ancient ) concerning Purgatorie . COncerning the place where Purgatorie is , there are many opinions : The first , of some who hold that the soule is there purged , where it sinned ; and indeede that the soule is in diuers places purged , is probably gathered out of Gregory , l. 4. Dialog . cap. 40. and out of an Epistle of Petrus Damianus . But that all are punisht where they sinned , is not probable . The second is , That the places of soules are not corporall , so held Austen , but he retracted it . The third , That the place of punishment for the soule , is this world , &c. The seuenth is , That not the earth , but the darke ayre , where the Diuels are , is the place of punishment . The eight is , the common opinion of Schoolemen , That Purgatorie is in the bowels of the earth , neare to hell . Bellarm. l. 1. of Purgat . cap. 6. pag. 117.118 . Seuenthly Peter Lombard , Thomas , Bonauenture , Richardus , Marsilius against Thomas himselfe , Caietane , Durand . THE Schoolemen inquire , whether the glory of the soule after the resurrection shall be greater then before : in two things they all agree : First , that the accidentall glory of the soule shall bee greater both in extention , and intention : Secondly , that the essentiall ioy shall be greater in extention , because it is now in the soule alone , then shall reach vnto the body also . But about the increase of essentiall glory in intention , they doe not agree : for Peter Lombard in his 4. of Sent. d. 49. And Saint Thomas vpon the same place : And Saint Bonauenture , and Richardus , and Marsilius say , that the essentiall glory shall then be greater in very measure , and degrees of intention : But on the contrary , Saint Thomas 1.2 . q. 4. art . 5. and Caietane , in the same place , and Durandus say , that the essentiall glory shall not be greater in degrees of intention , but in extent onely . I affirme two things : First , that the first opinion is more according to Saint Austens meaning , and to Haymons in 6. Reuelat. and Bernards , &c. Secondly , that the second opinion is simply the truer : and therefore that Saint Thomas did well to change his opinion . Bellarmine 7. Controu . Gener. of the Church Triumph , l. 1. c. 5. pag. 58. Eightly , Bellarmine against Mart. Peresius . NEyther doth it hinder much , that the Fathers haue seldome mentioned ( Dulia seruice ) for when they say , that Images and Saints are to be worshipped , and not with ( Latria ) they shew sufficiently , that they ought to be worshipped with that kind of seruice , which we call Dulia , as Beda cals it vpon Luke 4. and the master of Sent. withal schoolemen , l. 3. Sent. There was no neede therefore that Martinus Peresius [ in his worke of Traditions , part 3. consid . 7. ] should say , that he did not greatly allow , that this name ( Dulia ) should be giuen to the worship of the Saints , since Dulia signifies seruice , and we are not the seruants of the Saints , but fellow-seruants , &c. Bellarm. same booke , c. 12. p. 83. Ninthly , foure disagreeing opinions of Doctors . How the Saints know what we aske of them , there are foure opinions of our Doctors : Some say , they know it by the relatiō of Angels : Others say , that the soules of the saints ( as the Angels ) by a certain marueilous celerity of nature , are after a sort euery where , and heare the prayers of their suppliants . The one of these is Austens , the other Hieromes , but neyther of them is sufficient . Others say , that the Saints see in God all things , from the beginning of their blessednesse , which may in any sort concerne them , and therefore also our prayers , which are directed to them : so teach Gregorie ( B. 12. of his Morals ) Saint Thomas , Caietane . Others lastly say , that the Saints doe not from the beginning of their blessednesse see our prayers in God ; but that then onely they are reuealed by God to them , when we vtter them . And of these two latter , the first seemes to me to be simply the more likely : for if the Saints euer needed new reuelations , the Church would not so confidently say to all Saints , Orate pro nobis , pray for vs , but rather would desire of God to reueale our prayers to them . Bellarm. ibid. c. 20. p. 129. Tenthly , Bellarmine against Catharinus and Thomas Caietane . THE second opinion , is of Ambrosius Catharinus in his treatise of Images , where he teaches , that God in the ten Commaundements simply forbids all Images : but that this precept was onely positiue and temporall . But this opinion is not allowed of vs , especially because Saint Irenaeus directly teaches , that the Decalogue is naturall , excepting onely that Precept of the Sabboth ; and Tertullian in his booke of Idolatry , holdeth , that this precept is most of all now to be obserued : so Cyprian also , Austen , &c. The third is of Thomas Caietane vpon 20. Exod. which teacheth , that not euery Image or Idoll is there forbidden , but onely that there is forbidden to any man , to make to himselfe any Image , which he will take for his God. This opinion displeases me onely in the manner of speech ; for Caietane takes an Image and an Idoll both for one , which is false , &c. Bellarm. l. 2. contr . 7. gener . c. 7. That is , De Imaginibus sanctorum , l. 2. c. 7. p. 176. DECAD . X. First , Abulensis , Durandus , Peresius against Catharinus , Payua , Saunders , and Bellarmine . THE fourth opinion is Caluins , in the first booke of his institutions , ch . 11. where he saith , it is an abominable sinne to make a visible and bodily Image of the inuisible and incorporeall God. And this opinion of Caluins is also the opinion of some Catholike Doctors , as Abulensis [ vpon 4. Deuteron . quaest . 5. ] and Durandus [ vpon 3. dist . 9. q. 2. ] and Peresius [ in his booke of Traditions . ] But I affirme three things : First , that it is not so certaine in the Church , that we may make Images of God , or the Trinity , as of Christ and the Saints , for this all Catholikes confesse . Secondly , that Caluins fraude and craft is admirable , who after he hath proued that Images of God are not to be made , digresseth to amplification , and triumphes , as if he had proued that wee may not make , or worship any Image at all . Thirdly , I say , that it is lawfull to paint the Image of God the Father in the forme of an old man ; and of the holy spirit in the forme of a Doue , as is taught also by Caietane * . Ambrosius Catharinus ❀ , Diegus , Payua , Nicholas Saunders , Thomas Waldensis . Bellarmine ibid. ch . 8. p. 179. Secondly , Bellarmine against Bartholomaeus Caranza . BEsides it must be noted , that Bartholomaeus Caranza erres , who in the summe of the Councels , saith , ( Can. 82. of the 6. Synod ) that the Image of Christ in the forme of a Lambe , and of the spirit in the forme of a Doue , is there forbidden : Whereas the Councell forbids not these Images , but onely prefers to them the Images of Christ in an humane forme , &c. Besides , the reason of Bartholomaeus seemes to conclude against himselfe ; that the shadowes ceased when the truth came , for these Images were not in vse in the olde Testament , but began onely after Christs comming : but his errour is to be corrected out of the 7. Synod , where this Canon is often entirely cyted . Bellarmine same booke , chap. 8. pag. 182. Thirdly , Payua , Saunders , Alan . Copus and others differing . PAyua answeres , that the Elebertine Councell forbids onely an Image of God , which is made to represent the shape of GOD : But this seemes not to satisfie . Nicholas Saunders answeres , that the Councell for bad Images in the Churches , because the time and place required it ; for then there was danger , least the Gentiles should thinke we worshipt wood and stones ; and least that in the persecutions , their Images should haue beene reproachfully handled by the persecutors . This answere is good . Alanus Copus in B. 5. of Dialog . ch . 16 saith , that Images are here forbidden , because they began to be worshipped of those Christians , as Gods : in which sense Saint Ino. takes that Canon in Decret . part . 3. c. 40. But this exposition is not well warranted by the reasons of the Canon . Others say , that there is only forbidden to paint images on the wals , and not in tables and vayles . But howsoeuer it be , that Councell is rather for vs , then against vs. Bellarm. ibid. ch . 9. p. 190. Fourthly , Three rankes of Popish Writers dissenting . OF the last question , what manner of worshippe Images are worthy of , there are three opinions : First , that the Image is no way in it selfe to be worshipped , but only that the thing represented is to be worshipped before the Image : so some hold , whom Catharinus both reports and refutes : the same seemes to be held by Alexander , 3. part . q. 30. art . vlt. as also by Durandus , 3. Sent. di 9. q. 2. And by Alphonsus a Castro . The second , that the same honour is due to the Image , and the thing expressed by it : and therefore that Christs Image is to bee worshipped with the worship of Latria , Saint Maries with Hyperdulia , the Saints with Dulia ; so Alexander ( 3. part . q. 30. art . vlt. ) Saint Thomas ( 3. p. q. 25. art 3. ) And vpon the same place , Caietane , S. Bonauenture , Marsilius , Almain , Carthusianus , Capreolus , and others ; which opinion stands vpon 7 grounds , there specified . The third opinion in the meane , is of them that say , Images in themselues properly should be honoured , but with a lesse honour , then the thing represented ; and therfore that no Image is to be worshipped with Latria : so holds : Martinus , Peresius , Ambrosius , Catharinus , Nicholas Saunders , Gabriell . Bellarm. ibid. c. 20. p. 235.236.237 . &c. What shift Bellarmine makes to reconcile the second opinion ; by adoration improperly , and by accident , See the same booke , c. 23. p. 242. Fiftly , Bellarmine against Peresius and Durandus , &c. PEresius answers , that it is not true , that we are caried with the same motion of the heart to the Image , and the thing represented : since these two are opposites , neither can be knowne , but with a double act of knowledge . Bellarmine confutes him , and shewes , that these two are so opposite , as that one depends vpon another , and that one can neyther be defined nor knowne without the other . Durandus answeres otherwise ; for he admits there is one , and the same motion to both , but denies that therefore they haue but one and the same adoration : Others confirme this answer , for that although there be one and the same motion of the minde ( that is ) of the vnderstanding towards them both , yet there may be contrary motions of will , &c. But this answere satisfies not . I hold there must be another answere giuen : See his determination at large , that there is the same motion of the vnderstanding and will , to the Image and the thing expressed ; but in diuers respects , as eyther of them is made the principall , or indirect obiect . Bellarm. ibid. c. 24. p. 246. Sixtly , Tho. Waldensis against Abulensis , Iansenius , and others . THomas Waldensis holds not improbably [ in his 3. Tom. Tit. 20. ch . 158. ] that the very Wooden Crosse , which is now diuided into many peeces and parc●ls , shall then be renewed , and gathered vp together , and shall appeare in heauen . The same seemes to be affirmed by Sibilla and Chrysostome ; and the other fathers doe not contradict it . But if this be not admitted , at least the bright Image of the Crosse shal appeare out of the ayre , or fire condensated , as Abulensis , Iansenius , and others teach . Bellarm. ib. c. 28. p. 260 Seuenthly , two sorts of Papists dissenting . SOme of our latter writers thinke , that sacred houses are not properly built , but onely to God , as Sacrifices are offered to him alone , and that they haue their names from Saints , not for that they are built vnto them , but because their memories are in those Temples worshipped , and they called vpon , as Patrons in those places : So they interpret , the Church of Saint Peter , not for that sacrifice is therein offred to Peter , but because it is offred to God in thankesgiuing , for the glory bestowed on Saint Peter ; and he is there cald vppon , as our Patrone and aduocate with God. Another answere admits holy houses , truely and properly built to the Saints , but not in the nature of Temples , but as royall Monuments , or memories of them . Bellarmine lib. 3. cap. 4. pag. 299. Eightly , Thomas against Scotus , Abulensis , Lyranus . WE are not bound by any peculiar precept , not to sinne on festiuall dayes , or to the acts of contrition , or loue of God. This is Saint Thomas his opinion against Scotus , vpon 3. dist . 27. which saith , on holy dayes men are bound to an internall act of louing God : and against Abulensis and Lyranus , who hold , that sinnes being seruile workes , are forbidden ; and therefore that a sinne done on a Holy-day is doubtfull . Bellarm. ibid. c. 10. p. 356. Ninthly , Gulielm . Occam . against the common opinion . THe second thing required to a Sacrament of the new law , is a sensible signe ; for there are some inuisible signes , as the Character imprinted in the soule by the Sacraments : but it is certaine there must be visible signes also : scarce euer any but Gulielmus Occam . hath held , that though the Sacraments be visible signes , yet that this is not of their essence ; for that God might institute a Sacrament in a spirituall matter , as if he should appoint that a mental prayer , or the meditation of Christs passion should giue grace , meerely by the worke wrought . But Occam is deceiued . Bellarm. de Sacrament in genere c. 9. p. 34. Tenthly , Three diuers opinions of Popish Doctors . COncerning the definition of a Sacrament , there are three opinions of Doctors . Some hold , that a Sacrament cannonot properly be defined , as Occam , Maior , Richardus . Some hold , that it may be defined , at least imperfectly : so Scotus , d. 1. q. 2. and Sotus . Some that it may be properly defined : so Martinus Ledesmius in tract . of Sacram. Bellarm. ib. c. 10. p. 40. THE PEACE OF ROME . THE SECOND BOOKE OR CENTVRY . DECAD . I. First . Bellarmine dissenting from Waldensis , Hugo , Gratian , Lombard . THE definition of a Sacrament is so canuased by Bellarmine , as that he reiecteth two of Augustines , seconded also by Hugo , B. 1. part . 9. ch . 2. Bernard in his Sermon of the Lords Supper : Tho. Waldensis , Tom. 2. ch . 20. as altogether imperfect . Also Hugoes definition as too long : Gratians ( cyted by him from Gregorie , but indeed from Isidore ) as onely an explication of the word , not the matter ; Peter Lombards as wanting somewhat , or rather intricately infolding it , and allowes onely the definition of the Councell of Trent , as most accurate ; ( definitio pulcherrima est ) Bellarm. ibid. c. 11. p. 43.44 . &c. Secondly , Albert , Thomas Bonauenture , and others against Thomas , Dominicus a Soto , Ledesmius , &c. HEre be two opinions of Diuines : the first of the master of Sentences [ B. 4. d. 1. ] and vpon that place : Albertus , Thomas , Bonauenture , and others , who teach , that no definition can directly and properly agree to the Sacraments of both the olde and newe law , but that they all agree properly to the Sacraments of the new ; imperfectly and by proportion onely to the Sacraments of the olde . Another opinion is , of Saint Thomas 3. part . q. 60. art . 1. ( for hee manifestly changed his opinion ) as also of Dominicus ▪ a Soto , and Martin Ledesmius , who teach , that this definition , The signe of an holy thing , doth directly and vniuocally agree to the Sacraments of both olde and new law : Either sentence partly pleases , and partly displeases me . Bellarm. ibid. c. 12. pag. 45. Thirdly , Dominicus a Soto and Caietan , Thomas , Durand , Adrian , Alexand. Alens . Dominic . a Soto , all opposite . THere be diuers opinions of Doctors , the first of certaine of our late writers , who hold , that properly the matter and forme in the Sacraments , is not the thing and wordes , but that some sensible thing is the matter , whether it be substance or word , or both : and that the signification is the forme . So Dominicus a Soto [ vpon 4. dist . 1. q. 1. ar . 1. ] and Caietane seemes to affirme the same with very little difference . Another opinion is , of them which teach , that the very Sacrament it selfe , and not onely the materiall part of it , consists of the thinges , as the matter ; and words , as the forme : So Saint Thomas 3. part . q. 60. ar . 6. and the auncient Diuines in common . Others againe hold , that all Sacraments doe not consist of things and words , but some onely : so Durandus [ vppon 4. dist . 1. q. 3. ] and Adrianus [ quaest . 2. of Baptisme ] Others teach , that all Sacraments of the new law consist of thinges and wordes : so Alexander Alensis , 4. p. q. 8 , &c. and the Diuines commonly . Others lastly thinke , that all Sacraments doe consist of things and words , if they be taken in a large sense , else not . So Dominicus a Soto vpon 4. dist . 1. q. 1. art . 6. Bellarm. ibid. c. 18. pag. 84. Fourthly , Paluda . against Tho. Bellar. against Domin . a Soto . THat which Paludanus saith , [ vpon 4. dist . 3. q. 1. ] that the Sacrament is not euer made voyde , when a man intends to bring in a new Rite , is true ; but not against S. Thomas , as perhaps he thought . But that which Dominicus a Soto sayth , namely , That the Greekes doe truely baptize , with those wordes , Let the seruant of Christ be baptized , because the Church of Rome tolerates that fashion , &c. But if the Church of Rome should detest that Rite , then they should not baptize truely , is not altogether true , &c. Bellarm. ibid. c. 21. p. 118. Fiftly , Hugo , Pet. Lombard , Alensis , Bonauenture , &c. against the common opinion , and Bellarm. OVr aduersaries teach these two things : That the Sacraments which they hold onely two , were instituted by Christ : namely , Baptisme and the Lords Supper ; and that the rest were not appointed by Christ : so teach Caluin and Chemnitius : and with them ( whom they cyte ) Cyprian , Hugo , Peter Lombard , who denie , that all Sacraments were instituted by Christ : They might haue added Alexander Alensis , Saint Bonauenture and Marsilius , who say , that the Sacraments of confirmation and penance , were not instituted by Christ , but by his Apostles . Against this errour the Councell of Trent , set downe , Can. 1. Sess. 7. thus : If any man shall say , that all the Sacraments of the new Testament , were not instituted by Iesus Christ our Lord , let him be accursed ; yea immediately instituted by him . Further , that which Alexander and Bonauenture teach concerning the Sacrament of confirmation cannot be defended , &c. Bellarm. ibid. c. 23. pag. 127.128 , 129. &c. Sixtly , Bellarmine against Catharinus . THere is a new heresie arisen in our time ; that the intention of the Minister is not necessarie in the Sacrament . To this opinion of the heretikes Ambrosius Catharinus commeth very neare : neyther can I see , wherein he differs from the opinion of Kemnitius and other heretikes , sauing that in the end of his worke , he subiects himselfe to the Sea-Apostolike , and to the Councell , both which they deride . Bellarm. ibid. c. 27. p. 155. Note , the same which he condemnes for hereticall in Catharinus , he graunts to be held by his St. Thomas , in the chapter following , pag. 169. Seuenthly , Caietane and Ledesmius against Thomas and others . HEre are two opinions of Diuines : for some , as Caietane and Ledesmius teach , that in the Minister there is no operatiue vertue , as an efficient and instrumentall cause , as there is in the Sacrament : for in the words of the sacrament there is operatiue vertue , but by dependance on the Minister ; for then the wordes haue vertue , when they are conioyned with the vertue , which is in the Minister . Others holde that the Minister hath in himselfe no efficient power , in respect of iustification , but that is onely in the Sacrament : so Thomas is thought to hold , 3. part . qu. 64. art 1. And that the Minister concurres onely by applying the Sacrament . Bellarm. same booke , c. 27. pag. 163. Eightly , Bellarmine against Ambrose Catharinus . THe fourth argument is of Catharinus , from the authority of Saint Thomas , Chrysostome , and Pope Nicholas . Of Saint Thomas , who saith , that the intention of the Church expressed in the very forme of wordes , is sufficient to make a perfect Sacrament , neyther is any other intention required on the part of the Minister &c. And Catharinus addes a reason , that it seemes ouerhard , that God should put the saluation of men in the arbitrement of a wicked Minister , and so our iustification should be made vncertaine . This argument is already answered . How he answereth and confuteth this opinion and authorities of Catharinus , See Bellarmine ibid. c. 28. pag. 169. Ninthly , Bellarmine against Ledesmius , Canus , Bonauenture , Scotus , Durand , Richardus , Occam , Marsilius , Gabriel . THat the Sacraments are true causes of iustification ; but Morall causes , not naturall ( as he that commands a murder is the true cause of it , though he touch not the partie murdered ) is defended by Ledesmius and Canus in Relict . de Sacram. And the same seemes to be held by many of the old Schoolemen , Bonauenture , Scotus , Durand , Richardus , Occam , Marsilius , Gabriel , who hold , that the Sacraments doe truely iustifie , but yet , that God only doth worke that grace at the presence of the Sacraments , so as the Sacraments are not naturall causes , but such as without which , this effect would not follow . But I hold that the more probable and safe opinion , which attributes a true efficiency to the Sacraments . Bellarm. of the effect of the Sacram. l. 2. c. 11. p. 225. Tenthly , the Master of Sentences against the common opinion . THere is therefore one question , whether the olde Sacraments ( excepting Circumcision ) did iustifie actually by the very worke wrought : and there are two opinions : One of the Master of Sent. [ in 4. dist . 1 ] which denies it , for he saith , that those Sacraments did not iustifie , though they were done neuer so much in faith and charity . The other is the common opinion of Diuines , that all those Sacraments did iustifie , ex opere operantis , that is , vpon the faith and deuotion of the receiuers ; and this opinion is most true . Bellarm. ibid. c. 13. pag. 239. DECAD . II. First , Alexander , Bonauenture , Scotus , Gabriel , against Thomas , Capreolus , Scotus , Ledesmius , others , &c. OF Circumcision there are two opinions : One of Alexander , and Bonauenture , Scotus , and Gabriel , that Circumcision did confer iustification , ex opere operato , vpon the very act done : which opinion is disproued by many arguments . Where it is yet to be noted , that this opinion of theirs doth not fauour the heretickes of our time , for the heretickes when they make the olde Sacraments equall to ours , doe not extoll the olde , but debase ours : But this opinion doth not abase ours , but extoll the ancient . The other opinion , is of Saint Thomas and Capreolus , Scotus , Ledesmius , and others ; that Circumcision did by it owne power iustifie , but yet iustified onely as it was a protestation of our faith , and as it applyed faith to vs. This opinion is doubtlesse the more probable of the two . Bellarm. ibid. c. 13. p. 236. Secondly , Durand , Scotus , Gabriel against the other Papists . THat there is a certaine spirituall stampe imprinted in the minde , in some Sacraments , which is called a Character , is the common opinion of Catholiks . But it is to be noted that some of our diuines , as Durand , Scotus , Gabriel , do indeed admit this stampe or Character , but yet teach something which seemes to make for Kemnitius and the heretickes : for Durandus holdes , that the Character is not any reall thing distinguished from the soule , but is onely a matter to be conceiued in the minde , and which hath his being onely in conceit . But all others confesse , that the Character is a reall matter distinct from the soule . Bellarm. ibid. c. 19. pag. 267. Thirdly , Bellarmine against Durandus and Scotus . THe Character is not a mere relation , but an absolute quality : this is a common opinion , excepting onely Scotus and Durandus . Durandus in the place forecited , holds , it hath onely a being in conceit , &c. Which opinion can scarcely be distinguished from the heresie of this time , and seemes expresly condemned by Councels : which if Durandus had seene , doubtlesse he would haue taught otherwise ; and surely the Councell of Trent , in her curse of this opinion , intends it against those which denie a reall Character . Scotus would haue it a reall relation , but that can scarce be defended : and there haue not wanted many , that haue confuted him soundly . Bellarm. ibid. c. 19. pag. 268. Fourthly , three opinions of Papists . SOme of our Doctors hold this Character to be in the vnderstanding : Others place it in the will , because they thinke it disposeth vs to charity , which is in the will : Others hold it simply to be in the substance of the soule , and this seemes the truer opinion . Bellarm. ibid. c. 19. p. 270. Fiftly , Scotus against Thomas . NEither Circumcision , nor any Sacrament of the olde Lawe did imprint any Character in the soule : So holds Saint Thomas * . Scotus thinkes the contrary concerning Circumcision . But the opinion of Thomas is truer . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 19. pag. 271. Sixtly , Bernard , Hugo , Lombard , Pope Nicholas against all other Diuines . BEsides these errors , there is a very incommodious opinion of many Catholikes , who haue thought , that the inuocation of one person in the Trinity , and especially of Christ , is sufficient to Baptisme : so seemes to hold S. Ambrose in his first booke of the holy Ghost : Beda vpon 10. chap. of Acts : Bernard , Epi. 340. ad Henricum . Hugo de Sancto victore , l. 2. of Sacraments : Master of sentenc . b. 4. dist . 3. And lastly , Pope Nicholas in his Epist. to the Bulgarians . The two foundations of these Authors opinion are ouerthrowne by Bellarm. who concludeth . But howsoeuer it be , it is certaine that baptisme is eyther absolutely , or with condition to be repeated , if it be administred in the name of Christ , or any other person , without an expresse mention of the rest , as all more graue Diuines teach . Bellarm. in his b. of Baptisme , cap. 3. pag. 11. Seuenthly , two contrary opinions of Doctors . THat Christ did vse some baptisme before his passion it cannot be denied , but the doubt is , whether that Baptisme were the same Sacrament , which now we haue , or onely a preparation to the Sacrament of Baptisme afterwards to be instituted , as the baptisme of Iohn was : Chrysost. Theophilact , and Pope Leo hold with this latter , &c. But the other which we haue said , is more probable , which is professedly taught by Augustine , tract . 13. and 15. vpon Iohn : by Cyrill 2. B. vpon Iohn , c. 57. Hugo de Sancto victore , b. 2. of Sacraments : and this is the commoner opinion of Diuines , with the Master of Senten . b. 4. dist . 3. Bellarm . ibid. c. 5. p. 26. Eightly , Many opinions of Schoolemen . NOte , that concerning the time wherein Christ instituted the Sacrament of baptisme , there are very many opinions , among the Schoolemen ; but the more common and probable opinion , is that which we follow , which also the Catechisme of the Councell of Trent receiues , and the Master of Sent. with St. Thomas and others . Bellarmine in his booke of Baptisme , c. 5. pag. 28. Ninthly , Dominicus a Soto , Ledesmius , &c. against Thomas , Maior , Gabriel , and others . THere are some Diuines , as Dominicus a Soto , and Martin Ledesmius vpon 4. dist . 3. which teach , that Martyredome doth not giue grace ( ex opere operato ) by the very worke wrought ▪ but onely ex opere operantis , by the worke of the sufferer : and giues no degree of grace , but that which answers to the merit of the martyres charity . But it is a more probable opinion , that Martyredome by the very worke wrought doth giue the first grace ; So that if a man being yet in his sinnes , shall come to Martyredome , yet without an affection to any sinne , and with faith and loue in part begun , &c : By the vertue of Martyredome he shall vpon the worke wrought be iustified and saued . So is expresly taught by St. Thomas , Io. Maior , Gabriel and others . Bellarmine same booke , cap. 6. pag. 33. Tenthly , Bellarmine and all Papists , with Thomas against Peter Lombard . THere haue been two opinions amongst Catholikes , of Iohns Baptisme , whereof one is thought erroneous , the other very improbable . The first was Peter Lombards , who distinguishes those which were baptized of Iohn , into two kinds : one was of them which were so baptized of Iohn , that they did put their hope and trust in that baptisme , and had not any knowledge of the holy Ghost : These he confessed were to be baptised with Christs baptisme . The other of those , who were baptized of Iohn , but did not relie vpon that baptisme , and had knowledge of the holy Ghost : These were not necessarily to be rebaptized . Bellarmine confutes him by himselfe , and consent of all Catholikes , and concludes ; wherefore Saint Thomas [ 3. p. q. 38. ar . vlt ] writes , that this is a very vnreasonable opinion . Bellarm. ibid. c. 19. p. 113. DECAD . III. First , Master of Sentences , Schoolemen , Thomas against Thomas , Bellarmine , and other Papists . ANother opinion is , That the baptisme of Iohn was as a certain Sacrament of the old law : so taught the Master of Sent. in the place forecited , and many of the Schoolemen : and Saint Thomas himselfe ; but he did iustly afterwards recant , and teach the contrary , 3. part q. 38 art . 1. Whereupon Saint Thomas well saith that the baptisme of Iohn pertained not to the old law , but to the new rather , as a certaine preparation to Christs baptisme . Bellarm. ibid. c. 19. p. 113. Secondly , Thomas , Concil . Florentinum , Innocentius , Waldensis , Hugo , Bellarmine dissagreeing . SOme Schoolemen hold , that the Apostles did in diuers fashions minister the Sacrament of confirmation ; and that in the first times , because the holy Ghost visibly descended , then they vsed no annointing , but meere imposition of hands : After that , vnction came in vse , &c. And if you obiect that the Apostles could not institute the matter of a sacrament , they answere ; that they receiued that commaundement from Christ , that they should one while vse imposition of hands , another while Chrisme , as they should thinke most conuenient : This answere is not vnlikely : and Saint Thomas is not fare off from it [ 3. p q. 72. art . 1. ] and perhaps hither might be drawne the testimonies of the Florentine Councell , and of Innocentius , &c But the other answer ( me thinks ) is more probable of Thomas Waldensis , and Hugo de Sancto victore ; who say , that the annointing with Chrisme , and laying on of hands , is all one ; for he that anoints , layes on his hand . This answere is the likelier . Bellarmine in his B. of confirmation , c. 9. p. 185. Thirdly , Caietane , Dominicus a Soto , Franc. Victoria against all the elder Papists . IT is a question among our Diuines , whether Balme be required in Chrisme , as vpon the necessity of the Sacrament , or only on necessity of the precept . All the old Diuines and Lawyers , hold Balme required vpon the necessity of the Sacrament ; so as the Sacrament is voyde , if it be administred without it : But the latter Diuines Caietane , Dominicus a Soto , Franc. a Victoria , &c. hold , that balme is not required as to the essence of the Sacrament , but yet necessarily to be used by the commandement of God. Bellarm. ibid. cap. 9. pag. 190. Fourthly , Rich. Armachanus against the common opinion . OF the Catholikes there is onely Richardus Armachanus , which thinkes , that the office of confirming is common both to Bishops , and Presbiters : and from him Tho. Waldensis thinkes that Wickliffe drew his heresie . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 12. pag. 197. Fiftly , Bonauenture , Durand , Adrian , against Thomas , Richard. Paludanus , Marsilius . AMongst our Catholike diuines there is a question , whether at least by dispensation a Presbiter may conferre this Sacrament : for Saint Bonauenture , Durand , Adrian , vpon 4. dist . 7. say , it cannot be committed to Priests . But Saint Tho mas , and all his Schollers , and many other Diuines , as Richardus , Paludanus , Marsilius , and others ; and all Canonists teach the contrary : and indeede it is the truer , that these last affirme . Bellarm. ibid. c. 17. p. 197. Sixtly , some namelesse Papists against the common opinion . IT is questioned , whether those things which are spoken of Christ , in the forme of bread and wine be spoken of him truly , and properly , or by some Trope : Some thinke them truely and properly spoken , as the same thing should be truely and properly spoken of the bread , if bread were there . Their reason is , because they thinke that the Vnion of Christ with the accidents of bread , is eyther personall , or very like to it ; and therefore that there is a communication of properties betwixt Christ , and those accidents , &c. But the common opinion of Diuines teach the contrary . Bellar. of the sacram . of the Eucharist . l. 1. c. 2. p. 28 ▪ Seuenthly , Gabriel , Cusanus , Caietane , Tapperus , Hesselius , Iansenius against all other Papists . ALmost all Catholikes will haue the wordes of Iohn 6. vnderstood of the Sacrament of the Eucharist , or of the Sacramentall eating of Christs body in the Eucharist : but there are some few , who ( the better to disproue the Hussites and Lutherans ) hold , that this Chapter medleth not with any Sacramental eating of Christs body , or drinking his blood , of which sort are Gabriel , Nicholas , Cusanus , Thomas Caietanus , Ruardus Tapper , Iohannes Hesselius , and Cornelius Iansenius . All other Catholikes ( whom Nicholas Saunders in his booke of the sixth of Iohn citeth ) with great consent teach , that this Chapter intreateth of the Sacramentall eating of Christ : which doubtlesse is most true . Bellarmine ibid. cap. 5. pag. 41. Eightly , two sorts of Doctors opposite . THe Catholikes doe not agree in the manner of explicating , what is properly meant , by this pronoune Hoc or Hic , This , in the words of consecration : ( This is my body ) And there are two more famous opinions : One , that this pronoune ( Hoc , This ) signifies the body of Christ , confuted in this place of Bellarmine by two arguments . The other opinion is of Saint Thomas [ 3. p.d. 78. art . 2. ] and vppon 1. Cor. 11. that the pronoune ( Hoc , This ) doth not precisely signifie the bread , or the body , but in common , that substance which is vnder these forms ; yet so as the signification doth properly pertaine to the formes ; that so the sense should be , Not , This , that is , These formes are my body : but thus , vnder these formes is my body , as it was of old expounded by Guitmundus , l. 2. Bellarmine ibid. c. 11. p. 83. Ninthly , most Papists and Bellarmine against Thomas . SOme Catholikes hold , that a body may be locally in two places at once ; for ( say they ) if one place may hold two bodies , so as neither the places are diuided , nor the bodies confounded ( as it was done in Christs comming forth of the graue ) then one body may fill two places , &c. But some others , and amongst them Saint Thomas thinkes that one body cannot be totally in two places . His reason , by the leaue of so great a Doctor , is not found . Bellarm. l. 3 of the Eucharist , c. 3. p. 291. Tenthly , Durand . Occam , Albertus , Thomas , Bonauenture , Richardus , Scotus , dissenting . THere were two particular opinions , and both false and erroneous , deuised in the Schooles , for the vnfolding the greatnesse of this mystery : One of Durandus [ vpon 4. dist . 10. &c. ] who held it probable , that the substance of the body of Christ is in the Eucharist , without magnitude or quantity : and he vsed those arguments to this purpose , which now are taken vp by the Sacramentaries . Another opinion was of some auncient Diuines , which Albertus without any name reports , and confutes ; which afterwards Occam [ vpon 4. q. 4. ] followed ; who say , that there is in the Sacrament , the very magnitude or quantity of the body of Christ , which yet , they thinke cannot be distinguished from the substance : but they adde , that all parts doe so runne into other , that there is no shape in the body of Christ nor any distinction and order of the parts of the body . But the common opinion of the Schooles and Church is , that in the Eucharist there is whole Christ with his magnitude and bignesse , and all other accidents , &c. And besides , that the parts and members of Christs body , doe not one runne into another , but are so distinguished , and disposed among themselues , as they haue both order and shape agreeable to an humane body : so teach Albertus , S. Thomas , Bonauenture , Richardus , Scotus , and others vpon ( 4. dist . 10. or 13. ) and Alexander ( 3. p. q. 10. in 7. ) &c. Bellarm. ibid. cap. 5. pag. 301. DECAD . IIII. First , Bellarmine against Durandus , &c. AVgustine discoursing of Christs comming into the world , through the wombe of the Virgin still continuing closed , saith , that in these workes all the reason of the fact , is the power of the doer : The same is held by common consent of other Fathers , Gregor . Nazian . Theodoret . Hierome , &c. But I am ashamed to say what Durandus and Beza answere to this , &c. That which Durand saith ; that her Virginity might , and did still remaine inuiolable , and yet that the passages were somewhat dilated ; according to the best Physitians , implies a contradiction : for Io. Fernclius teacheth , that the losse of Virginity doth not consist in the breaking of any filme , but onely in the dilatation of the parts . Bellarm. ibid. c. 6. p. 309. Secondly , Bellarmine against Durandus . THe fift example is , of the ascension of Christ , and the Saints into heauen ; for we beleeue that Christ ascended aboue all heauens , and likewise that the bodies of the Saints after their resurrection shall ascend But there is no doore in heauen , no window , no gappe through which they may ascend ; for as Iob , 47. The heauens are solide as brasse , therefore there must needes be more bodies in one place . To this Durandus answeres , that by the power of GOD the heauens may be diuided , when the bodies of the Saints shall ascend : But if the heauen be in it owne nature solide , and incorruptible , as all Diuines and Philosophers teach , surely it is not probable there should be so many holes made in heauen , as there are bodies of the Saints to ascend , &c. Bellarm. ibid. cap. 6. pag. 311. Thirdly , sundry opinions of Popish Doctors . DVrandus holdeth , that one essentiall part of the bread namely , the forme , is turned , but that the other part , which is the matter , is not turned [ vpon 4. dist . 11. ] Others ( that there might no errour be missing ) haue contrarily taught , that the matter of the bread is turned into Christs body , but that the substantiall forme of the bread remaines still the same : This errour St. Thomas reports without the name of the Author [ 3. p q. 25. art . 6. ] A fift opinion is , that of Rupertus the Abbot , which was some fortie yeares after Guitmundus : which Rupertus taught , that the bread of the Sacrament , is personally assumed by the second person in the Trinity , in the very same manner , that the humane nature was assumed by the same word , as appeares in his sixt booke vpon Iohn . This errour is noted , and confuted by Algerus [ in 1. B. of Sacraments , chap. 6. ] where he saith , that this is a new and most absurd heresie : this Algerus liued in the same time with Rupertus , about the yeare 1124. as witnes Trithemius and Petrus Cluniacensis , who notes , that Algerus did most accurately confute the errours of some moderne Writers , concerning the body of our Lord. Bellarm. l. 3. c. 11. p. 347. Fourthly , Bellarmine against Dominicus a Soto , Sanctius , Alanus , &c. HEnce may be refuted the common error , which possesses many of this time , concerning the Author of this heresie : for as Thomas Waldensis witnesses , there was an olde booke of Diuine offices , without any name of the Author , wherein Wickliffe did marueilously triumph , and vexed the Catholikes with it ; boasting it one while to be Ambroses , another while Isidores , another while Fulgentius : At last the Catholickes suspected that Walramus or Valeramus was the Author of it ; So write Dominicus a Soto , Claudius Sanctius , Gul. Alanus , and others . But he was not the first , for the Berengarians were before him ; neyther was Walramus the Author hereof , but Rupertus Tuitiensis , from whose bookes this opinion is to be fetch 't , which Dominicus a Soto idlely expoundeth ( vpon 4. dist . 9. q. 2. ) Bellarm. l. 3. c. 11. p. 348. Fiftly , Waldensis and Bellarmine against Iohannes Parisiensis . THE sixt opinion or heresie rather , is of one Iohannes Parisiensis , which ( as Waldensis reporteth ) openly opugned that other heresie , and brought in a new ; for he taught , that the bread is assumed by the Sonne , but by meanes of the body of Christ ; as the body is taken for part of his manhood , not for the whole : and hee said , as part , not as whole , least hee should be constrained to admit , that God is bread . Bellarm. l. 3. c. 11. confuted , l. 3. c. 16. pag. 348. Sixtly , Durandus against the Councels of Constance , and of Trent , and Bellarmine . THE third error is of them , which will haue onely the matter of bread to remaine , which doth expresly contradict the Councell of Trent [ Sess. 13. cha . 4. and Can. 2. ] And the Councell of Constance , [ Sess. 8. ] Yea also this opinion of Durandus is contrary to the Councell of Lateran : for neyther would that Councel haue said , that there is a transsubstantiation made , vnlesse it would haue signified , that the whole substance of the bread is changed , &c. Therefore this opinion of Durandus is hereticall , though he himselfe be not therefore to be called an heretike , because he was ready to yeelde to the iudgement of the Church . Bellarmine lib. 3. c. 13. pag. 351. Seuenthly , foure diuers opinions of Diuines . ABout the time of Christs instituting the Sacrament , there are foure opinions : first , of the greeks who hold , that Christ did keepe his passeouer , and institute his Sacrament , the thiteenth day of the first moneth : The second of Rupertus , who teaches , that the Hebrewes were neuer wont to celebrate two feast dayes together ; and therefore when the feast of vnleauened bread fell the sixt day , it was wont to be deferred to the Saboth following . This opinion of Rupertus both is false , and doth not satisfie that maine argument of the Greekes . The third of Paulus Burgensis , who holds , that both the feast of vnleauened bread , and of the Passeouer , might be deferred vpon the Tradition of the Elders , to the day following : and that in the yeare wherein Christ suffred , the Hebrewes did eate their Passeouer on Friday euening , Christ his on Thursday in the euening . The fourth is , the common opinion of Diuines , that Christ instituted his Sacrament in that time , wherein according to the law , and custome of the Iewes , all leauen was cast away , which was the 14. day , &c. This opinion is onely true , &c. Bellarm. l. 4. c. 7. p. 455. Eightly , the Popish Doctors disagreeing . THe Catholike Church hath euer thought it so necessary , that water should be mixed with wine in the Chalice , that it cannot without a grieuous sin be omitted : But whether the Sacrament can consist without water , it is not so certaine : the common opinion leanes to the affirmatiue part . Bellarm. lib. 4. cap. 10. pag. 476. Ninthly , Popish Diuines differing . HEre is therefore a question to be handled , whether those onely words ( For this is my body , &c. ) pertaine to the forme of the Sacrament : The Catholike Church affirmes it with great consent , Councell Florent . Catech. of Concil . Trident , Diuines with the Master of Sent. Lawyers : For although Diuines dispute , and cannot agree , whether all the seuerall words , which are had in the forme of the consecration of the Chalice , in the Latine Masse-bookes , be of the essence of the forme thereof , yet all agree that they are of the integrity , and perfection of the forme ; so as no one of them can without sinne be omitted : and their consent in this point is sufficient . Bellarm. l. 4. c. 12. p. 486. Tenthly , Io. de Louanio against George Cassander . IOhan . de Louanio in his booke of the Communion vnder both kinds , chiefely confutes a B. of a certain Aduiser , who without any name set forth a B. of this quest . perswading to this vse : but after , it was known that the B. was George Cassanders . Bellar. l. 4. c. 20. p. 538. DECAD . V. First , some Papists against the Councell of Trent . FIrst the opinion of some is to be confuted , who hold , that from the words This is my body , is gathered , that whole Christ is vnder the forme of bread ; for they say , that by the word ( Body ) is signified a liuing body , and therfore a body with a soule , and blood . But this opinion is flatly contrary to the Councell of Trent ( Sess. 13. ca. 3. ) who teaches , that by the power of the wordes , onely the body is there vnder the forme of bread ; the soule , the Diuinity , and blood , onely by a Concomitance . Bellarm. ibid. c. 21. p. 540. Secondly , Alexand. Alensis and Gasper Cassalius against the common opinion . THere is no spirituall fruit receiued by both kinds , which is not receiued by one ; this proposition is not so certaine as the former : for our Diuines are of diuers iudgements concerning it : But it is my opinion , and the common and most probable assertion of Diuines , of St. Thomas , S. Bonauenture , Richard , Gabriel , Roffensis , Caietane , &c. And though Richardus seemes to incline the other way : yet he doth it onely to reconcile Alexander Alensis vnto the common opinion : for of all the ancients there is onely Alexander ( in 4. part . Sum. q. 53. ) which holdes the contrarie ; and of the new writers Gasper Cassalius cals it into doubt and question ( in his second booke of the Supper , &c. ) Bellarm. ibid. c. 23. p. 554. Thirdly , Io. of Louan , Cornel. Iansenius opposite . OF this place are two opinions of Catholickes : First of Iohn of Louan , and others , who holde , that the Sacrament of the Eucharist was giuen to the two Disciples in Emmaus , and they bring for them Austen , Chrysost. Bede , Theophilact , Ierome , Isychius : The other of Cornelius Iansenius vpon the place , who teaches , that the bread blessed by Christ in Emmaus , was not the Sacrament , but onely a figure of it Bellarm. l. 4. cap. 24. pag. 563. Fourthly , two sorts of Popish Doctors dissenting . WE teach , that the very Sacrament is to be adored ( as the Councell of Trent speaketh ) but this maner of speech is taken two wayes : Those that thinke the Sacrament of the Eucharist to bee formally the body of Christ , as he is vnder those formes ; doe graunt , that the Sacrament is iustly said to be formally adored : But those that say , the Sacrament of the Eucharist is formally the Species of bread and wine , as they containe Christ , doe teach consequently , that the said Sacrament is materially to be adored . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 29. pag. 607. Fiftly , Hugo de Sancto victore , Peter Lombard , Thomas , Rabanus , &c. disagreeing . MAny Catholikes endeauour to shew the word Missa ( Masse ) to be Hebrew , for Deut. 16. there is the word ( 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ) in the same signification : and not the Catholikes only , but Philip Melanchton acknowledges this deriuation . Other ( and their opinion is more probable ) hold it to be Latine ; of whom also some hold it to be ( a Mittendo ) because our offerings and prayers are sent vp to God. So Hugo de Sancto victore ( lib. 2. de Sacram. ) Others lesse probably , for that an Angell is sent from God to assist the Sacrifice , and carry it to God , as the Master of Sent. and Thomas ( 3. p. q. 83. ) But their opinion is most likely , which deriue it a missione , seu , dimissione populi : This opinion is Isidores , Rabanus , and Hugo , and others later Diuines admit this Etymology . Bellarm. de Missa , l. 1. c. 1. p. 616. Sixtly , Bellarmine against a nameles Doctor 1. G. Cassalius . NEare to this opinion of Melanchton seemes to be a certaine late Doctor , a man otherwise learned and godly , who in his booke of Sacrifice ( chap. 5. ) teacheth , that euery good worke , which is done , that we may in an holy fellowshippe cleaue to God , is a Sacrifice properly : But this opinion of his is false , and may be confuted with many and manifest arguments . Bellarm. ibid. c. 2. p. 621. Seuenthly , Bellarmine against Arias Montanus . THis testimony of Malach. 1. cannot be vnderstood of the sacrifice of the crosse ; nor of any Iewish sacrifice , nor of the sacrifices of the heathen Idolaters ; wherefore the exposition of Arias Montanus is no way to be suffered ; for it doth not onely contradict the opinion of al those Fathers ( which we will straight-way cyte ) but the Apostle himselfe , and the open truth : for to what end were the blood of so many thousand Martyres shed , for not communicating with the Gentiles sacrifices , if those had beene cleane and acceptable to God. Bellarm. 1. b. of Masse , cap. 10. pag. 679. Eightly , Cassalius confuted by Bellarm. TO this purpose make all those places of the Fathers , which teach , that there is one only sacrifice of the church , which succeeded al the multitude of the old sacrifices . Leo , Chrysost. Aug. &c. whence appeares , that the opiniō of Gasper Cassalius in his 1. b. de sacrificio is altogether improbable : who affirms , there are two sacrifices of the Eucharist ; one of bread and wine ; another of the body and blood of Christ. Bellarm. b. 1. of the Masse , c. 27. pag. 756. Ninthly , diuers opinions of Popish Doctors . THe consecration of the Eucharist belongs to the essence of the sacrifice ; This sentence thus generally proposed hath many vpholders , for of the greeks Nic. Cabasilas : of the latines Ruardus , Iodocus Tiletanus , Gasper Cassalius , Alanus and others maintain it : But al hold it not a like . Some thinke it to be therefore , because by the consecration there is made a true and reall change of the bread into Christs body ; and a true sacrifice requires such a mutation , whereby the thing ceases to be . But this opinion hath no smal argumēts against it : Others think it to be , because by this consecration , Christ is truely ( though mystically , and vnblooodily ) ffred . This opinion doth not yet fully satisfie : Thus therfore it seemes to be set forth . There are three things in a Sacrifice , which are found in the consecration of the Eucharist ; first a prophane and earthly thing is made holy : Secondly , that thing , thus made holy , is offered to God : Thirdly , the thing thus offered , is ordained to a true , reall , and externall mutation , and distinction , &c. This seemes to me the opinion of St. Thomas ( in 2.2 . q. 85. art . 3. ) Bellarm . ibid. c. 27. p. 759. Tenthly , one or two Popish Doctors against the Councell of Trent . THE Sacrifice of the Masse hath not onely , or principally his vertue from the act of him , that offers it : but euen from the worke wrought , which is the common opinion of Diuines , and of the Councell of Trent , ( Sess. 22. c. 2. ) although there be one or two of our Writers found , that dissent from it . Bellarm. 2. booke of the Masse , c. 4. p. 773. DECAD . VI. First , Bellarm. against Platina and Polidor . Virgil. DAmasus in his Pontificall , in the life of Soter and Siluester Popes , amongst other holy vessels , makes mention of Censers ; wherefore it is false , which Platina in the life of Sixtus 1. and Polidore Virgil in his booke of the Deuisers of things , write , that Leo 3. which liued An. Dom. 800. was the first , that vsed Frankincense in the Masse . Bellarm. 2. b. of Masse , cap. 15. pag. 843. Secondly , Bellarmine against other Papists . THat Celestinus 1. was not the first Author of [ the Introitus ] in the Masse , see defended by Bellarm. against the consent of their Writers , as himselfe confesses . Bellarm. ibid. c. 16. p. 846. Thirdly , Bellarmine against many Papists . THat Anastasius 1. was not the first Author of standing at the Gospell , is held by Bellarmine against many of their writers . ibid. c. 16. p. 853. Fourthly , foure seuerall opinions of Popish Doctors . SCotus , Occam , and Gabriel ( vpon 4. Sent. dist . 14. ) place the essence of the Sacrament of Penance , in absolution onely , &c. The question then is , whether there be any thing besides absolution , which belongs to the nature and essence of this Sacrament . Of this there are foure opinions : the first is , that only absolution makes the essence of this Sacrament . So of our Catholike Diuines , Scotus , Occam , Io. Maior , Iacob . Almaine and others , &c. The last and truest opinion is , that the Sacrament of penance consists of two parts , inward , and essentiall to it ; the absolution of the Priest , as the forme , and the acts of the penitent , as the matter ; which was the opinion of many old Diuines : St. Thomas , Richardus , Durandus and others vpon 4. Sent. dist . 14. and is now held by almost all that write of this Sacrament . Bellarm. 1. b. of penance , cap. 15. pag. 92. Fiftly , Gratian and Bonauenture against the rest . THen Chemnitius addes , that there are diuers opinions of our Catholikes , concerning the necessity of confession ; and this he proues out of Gratian , and a Glosse of his , & out of Bonauenture : these are all his fathers , &c. But say that confession doth not stand by the law of God , as Kemnitius would proue out of a certaine Glosse , which yet the Catholikes mislike . Bellarm. 1. b. of penance , cap , 11. pag. 79. Sixtly , Scotus confuted by Bellarmine . NEyther is that aptly and well said by Scotus , that penance is the absolution of the penitent , done in a set forme of words , &c. For penance is the act of the penitent , not of the Priest , and absolution is an act of the Priest , not of the penitent . Bellarm. ibid. c. 15. p. 96. Seuenthly , Gropperus reiected by Bellarmine . THere is no Catholike writer which makes the matter of this Sacrament to be onely the action of the Priest , pronouncing absolution in a set forme ; saue onely Gropperus , or whosoeuer was the Author of the Enchiridion Coloniense ; which sometimes seemes to speake very vnheedely . For Diuines would eyther haue it consist in absolution alone , or else they assigne the matter to be on the behalfe of the penitent ; the forme from the Priest : which indeede is the commonest opinion of almost all . Bellarmine 1. b. of pen. cap. 16. p. 98. Eightly , Scotists against Thomas , Bonauenture , and others : Vega , Ferrariensis , &c. THe Scotists obiect , that absolution alone is the cause of grace , for that al the power of the Sacrament rests in the keyes ; which are the Priests , not the penitents : I answer first , by denying the consequent : the sacrament may consist of two parts , & yet worke only by one : as a man consists of body & soule , & yet vnderstands onely by his soule : and this answere is followed by them , who place the vertue of the Sacrament in absolution alone , which was once the opinion of St. Thomas , and Saint Bonauenture , and other ancients vpon 4. dist . Sent. dist . 18. and of the later , Andreas Vega , Francis of Ferrara , &c. Farther , it may be answered , that absolution is indeede the principall cause of iustification , not the onely cause ; but that is partly in the keyes of the Absoluer , partly in the act of the penitent : So holds Saint Thomas ( who recanted his former opinion ) 3 part q. 86. art . 6. Bellarmine ibid. c. 16. p. 103. Ninthly , Durandus against Thomas and the common opinion . OF the diuision of Penance into contrition , confession , satisfaction , there are two questions : One amongst the Catholikes , the other with the Heretickes . The former is not , whether these three be necessary , and absolutely to be vsed , but whether all be the true parts of the Sacrament : For it was the opinion of Durandus ( vpon 4. dist . 16. q. 1. ) that onely confession is the materiall part of this Sacrament of penance , and that contrition is the disposition towards it , and satisfaction the fruit of it . But the common opinion of Diuines , and of Saint Thomas ( 3. p. q. 90. ) is , that all three of them ▪ are the true materiall parts of the Sacrament of Penance : neither can now be doubted of , since it is flatly set downe by two generall Councels of Florence and Trent , Bellarm. ibid. c. 17. p. 104. Tenthly , Adrianus refuted by Bellarmine . THat there may be a conditional will ( at the least ) of things impossible , as well as a desire of a thing lost : see defended against Adrianus , q. 1. de paenitentia by Bellarm. l. 2. of penance , cap. 5. pag. 155. DECAD . VII . First , Io. Maior , Iac. Almain , Andr. Vega against Thomas , Scotus , Durand , Albert. Soto , Canus , &c. BVT in this our Catholike writers doe not agree , whether the purpose of a better life , and detestation of sinne be expresly and formally necessary to true contrition , or whether it be sufficient to haue it implicitely or confusedly , and virtually . The old Diuines , as Peter Lombard , Alexander Alensis , S. Thomas , Scotus , Durandus , Albertus , and others , simply teach , that it is of the very essence of contrition , to detest our sinne , and to purpose amendement : and though they distinguish not betwixt a formal and vertuall purpose , yet they plainely shew , they meane a direct , formall purpose ; which was after more plainely taught by Pope Adrian . 6. in 5. quodl . art . 3. Tho. Caietanus , Dominicus a Soto , Melchior Canus : yet there haue beene some few , that haue disputed against it , and contenting themselues with a virtual purpose , which is concluded in the hatred of their sins , haue denied that other to be necessary . In this ranke were Io. Maior , Iac. Almayne , in . 4. Sent. d. 14. Andr. Vega vpon the Councell of Trent , c. 21. Bellarm. ibid. c. 6. p. 157. Secondly , Capreolus , Dom. a Soto and others against Peter Lomb. Thomas , Albertus , Bonauenture , &c. IN this onely doe the Schoolemen seeme here to disagree , That some wil haue the act of penance , as also the act of faith and charity , to be onely a disposition to the remission of sinnes , and not to be any merit ( either of worke or congruity ) of the forgiuenesse of them : Of this opinion is Io. Capreolus ( vpon 2. Sent d. 4. q. 1. ) Dominicus a Soto ( 2. b. of Nature and Grace , c. 4. ) But other , and the most , hold those acts to be not onely a disposition towards , but a merit ( by congruity ) of our iustification ; which opinion is the Masters of Sent. ( b. 2. d. 27. ) and St. Thomas ( vpon 2. d. 27. ) of Albertus , S. Bonauenture : Besides , of Scotus , Durandus , Gabriel , and others vpon 2. dist 28. And of the later Writers Andreas Vega ( 8 b. vpon the Councell of Trent . ) Bellarm. ibid. c. 12. p. 185. Thirdly , one Popish Doctor against the rest . THe Catholike Doctors with common consent , are wont to teach , that contrition if it be perfect , and haue the desire and vow of the Sacrament of Baptisme , or Absolution , reconciles a man to God , and remits sinne before the Sacrament of Penance be performed . But there was of late a Catholike Doctor , who not many yeares since in a booke which he wrote of charity , taught against this common opinion . Bellarm. ib. c. 13. p. 191. Fourthly , Armachanus confuted by Bellarmine . RIchardus Armachanus in l. 9 quaest . Armen . cap. 27. taught it probable , that for some great sinnes , pardon could not be had , though the sinner should doe whatsoeuer he could , for obtaining it . But this we affirm , not as probable , but as certain , and confessed of Catholikes , that no multitude or haynousnes of sinne can be such , as may not be done away by true repentance . Bellarm. ibid. c. 15. p. 209. Fiftly , Bellarmine against Richardus . THat the sinne against the holy Ghost is vnpardonable , Richardus teacheth to be , not in respect of the fault , but of the punishment ; because if a man repent not of it , none of his temporall punishment ( required to satisfaction ) shall be forgiuen . Bellarm. ibid. c. 16. Confuted by Bellarmine by 3. arguments , pag. 219. Sixtly , Rupertus opposed by Bellarmine . THat feare , which is one of the foure passions of the minde , is not in it selfe euill : See defended against Rupertus the Abbat , l. 9. de operibus spiritus , by Bellarm. ibid. c. 17. p. 223. Seuenthly , the Councell of Trent against Petr. Oxoniensis , Erasmus , Rhenamus . THere was about some hundreth yeare since , one Petrus Oxoniensis , which affirmed , that the particular , and speciall confession of our sinnes in seuerall , is not required by any law of God , but onely by some Decree of the vniuersall Church . In our age haue held the same errour Erasmus Roterodamus , and Beatus Rhenanus , who hold , that secret confession of our seueral sinnes , both , was neuer instituted , and commaunded by any law of God , and besides , was neuer in vse with the auncient Church : Against all these mentioned errors , the Councell of Trent hath determined . Sess. 14. c. 5. and Can. 7.8 . Bellarm. 3. b. of Penance , cap. 1. pag. 238. Eightly , Bellarmine against Thomas Waldensis , and others . I Know that Thomas Waldensis [ in 2. Tom. c. 141. ] was of this minde , that he thought Nectarius Bishop of Constantinople , did simply abrogate the vse of confession ; and therein greatly offended : But I would not easily yeelde to that : And I know that some haue thought this whole History feigned , and deuised by Socrates ; But I cannot be brought to beleeue , that a false History could be written by him of a matter whereof many liuing in the time , when , and where the thing was done , could conuince him . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 14. pag. 320. Ninthly , all Doctors against Ru. Tapperus , and perhaps Thomas . INdeede Ruardus Tapperus a worthy Diuine , teacheth , that a man may satisfie God for his eternall guilt and punishment , by certaine acts , which in order of nature follow the infusion of iustifying grace , and goe before remission of sinnes ; and cyteth Thomas for his opinion ( vpon 4. Sent. dist . 15. qu. 5 ) Neither is it certaine , whether St. Thomas meant so , or no : It is enough for vs , that all Doctors agree in this , that before this grace receiued , no man can satisfie God. Bellarm. l. 4. of Penance , c. 1. p. 341. Where also he endeuours to reconcile Andreas Vega , in his opinion of our satisfaction to God , for the fault and offence of sinne . Tenthly , Thomas , Durand . Paludan . against Adrian , Caietane and Bellarmine . ALthough the opinion of Thomas , Durandus , Paludanus and others [ vpon 4 Sent. dist . 15. ] be very likely , that satisfaction is not rightly made to God by workes , which are otherwise due to be done , yet the opinion of Adrianus and Caietanus is not improbable ; that we doe satisfie God euen by workes , otherwise due to him ; since the satisfaction we giue to God doth not belong to iustice onely , but to friendshippe also . Bellarmine l. 4. cap. 13. pag. 402. DECAD . VIII . First , Scotus , Gabriel , and few others against Thomas , Richard , Durand , Paludan , &c. COncerning satisfaction enioyned by a Priest : the better part of Catholike Diuines doe not graunt , that the party confessing may without sinne refuse such a satisfaction : for although Scotus and Gabriel , and some few others teach thus , yet the Master of Sent. S. Thomas , Richardus , Durandus , Paludanus and many others ( vpon 4. dist . 16. ) hold , as we teach , That a Priest hath the keyes , whereby he may not onely absolue from guilt and offence , but as a Iudge , may in Gods steed binde vnto punishment , which the penitent cannot refuse , vnlesse he resist the Iudge set ouer him from heauen , and by consequent God himselfe , Bellarm. li. 4. c. 13. pag. 402. Secondly , the better Popish Diuines against the worse . NO Catholike Doctor teaches , that workes done in deadly sinne do discharge from death . Indeed some say , that the works done in mortal sinne , are satisfactory , if he which did the works , returne againe to the grace of God : But that they are so , whiles he continues in deadly sinne , no man ( that I know ) affirmeth ; yea our better Diuines hold , that those works which are done in deadly sinne , neither are , nor euer can be satisfactorie . Bellarmine lib. 4. cap. 14. pag. 406. Thirdly , Ruardus , Iansenius , Dominicus a Soto against Waldensis , and Alphonsus , &c. OF the place ( Mar. 6.13 . ) we all agree not ; whether that annointing which the Apostles vsed , were Sacramentall , or onely a figure of this Sacrament : those which defend the first opinion are Thomas Waldensis , and Alphonsus de Castro ; but the later is surely the more probable , which is the opinion of Ruardus , Iansenius , and Dominicus a Soto , and others . Bellarmine in his booke of extreme Vnction , cap. 2. pag. 6. Fourthly , Dominicus a Soto opposed by Bellarmine and all Diuines . SOme Catholikes , amongst whom is Dominicus a Soto , thinke that bodily health is an absolute and infallible effect of this Sacrament of annointing , &c. But this answere pleaseth mee not , since that all Diuines , and also the very Councels of Florence and Trent directly say , that bodily health is promised in this Sacrament , onely conditionally , if it may be expedient for the good of the soule . Bellarm. ibid. c. 6. p. 21. Fiftly , three dissenting opinions of Papists . THere is yet one question amongst our Diuines : For what be those remainders of sinne , which are done away by this anointing ? they doe not all agree : Some would haue them veniall sinnes , but improbably , for they may be wip't away without any Sacrament . Others would haue it to be , that pronenesse to sinne , or habit which remaines of sinne ; but that is yet more vnlikely . But I say that the remnants of sin are double , both which are wip't away by this Sacrament . First are those , which sometimes remaine after all other Sacraments , whether they be veniall or mortall sinnes ; for a man may after confession and communion fall into a mortall sinne , and not know it , &c. Secondly , vnder the name of these remnants are vnderstood that dulnesse , heauinesse , anxietie which vses to be left of sinne , and which may vexe a man neare his death , &c. Bellarm. ibid. cap. 8. p. 29. & 30. Sixtly , Waldensis , Dominic . a Soto , Iansen . &c. disagreeing . HEre is yet one doubt , in that Pope Innocentius 1. in his Epistle 1. chap. 8. saith , that not onely Priests but Lay-men in cases of their own , and others necessities , may anoile : which opinion Beda vpon Mar. 6. recytes in so many wordes , and the Councell of Wormes , Can. 72. though Waldensis answeres , that Innocentius his wordes are to be vnderstood of that time , and place where there are no Priests , and that then , and there , it is lawfull for Layickes to minister this Sacrament : But this exposition is iustly confuted of all Diuines . Dominicus a Soto vnderstands Innocentius to speake of the vse of Oyle , for healing of diseases , besides , and out of the businesse of the Sacrament : But that seemes to bee against the vse and practise of the Church : Others , more truely ( as Iansenius ) say , that Innocentius speaketh of the partie to be annointed , not of the Minister . Bellarmine in the same booke , cap. 9. pag. 31. Seuenthly , the Councell of Florence , Thomas , other Diuines at variance . THere are two vsuall Ceremonies in this Sacrament : One , that the Letany and other prayers be read before the annointing . The second , that seuen parts of the body be annointed ; namely , the Eyes , Eares , Nostrils , Mouth , handes , because of the fiue senses ; Then the Reynes , which are the seats of lust ; and lastly the feete , which haue the power of motion and execution : So is it prescribed by the Councell of Florence . But some thinke that none of all these annointings , is of the essense of the Sacrament , but that it is sufficient ( for that ) if the sicke man be annointed anie where ; the rest to be but for Rite and solemnitie : But others hold , that all those seuerall annointings are essentiall : But the common opinion ( which also St. Thomas holds ) is , That the annointing of the fiue senses onely is enough for the essence of the Sacrament , and indeede respect of honestie seemes to require we should forbeare the annointing of the Reines in women , &c. Bellarm. ibid. cap. 10. p. 32. Eightly , olde Schoolemen , and Dominicus a Soto against Petr. a Soto , Caietane , Durand , Paludanus , &c. ORdination of Bishops is a Sacrament , truely and properly so called : This opinion , though it be denyed of some old Schoolemen , and amongst the new , by Dominicus a Soto ( lib. 10. de Instit. ) yet is affirmed by the auncient Fathers , and of the late , by Petrus a Soto , Caietane ; and of some olde Schoolemen too , as Altisidoriensis , Io. Maior , Scotus , Durand , Paludanus : Though Durandus would haue it one and the same Sacrament , with the Sacrament of Priesthood : and lastly , of all the Canonists almost , vpon Ch. Cleros , dist . 21. Bellarmine in his booke of the Sacram . of Orders , cap. 5. pag. 44. Ninthly , Durandus and Caietane opposed by Bellarmine and other Diuines . IT is very probable , that the Ordination of Deacons is a Sacrament , though it be not certai●e , as a matter of faith : that it is very probable , appears , first because it is approued by the common opinion of Diuines : Onely Durandus there is , which holds , that onely Priest-hood is the Sacrament of Orders , and with him Caietanus , Tom. 1. Opusc. Tract . 11. Bellarm. ibid. c. 6. p. 48. Tenthly , Durandus and Caietane against the rest . FOr Sub-Deaconship there is not so great certaintie as of Deaconship , for neyther is it mentioned in Scripture , neyther hath the Ordination thereof any imposition of hands , as appeares by the fourth Councell of Carthage , Can. 5. &c. But yet it is verie probable , that this Order is a Sacrament also : Onely Durandus and Caietanus denie it . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 7. pag. 52. DECAD . IX . First , the old Schoolemen , and some new against Durand . OF the lesser Orders , it is lesse probable that they are Sacraments , then of the Sub-deaconship : yet it is the more probable opinion , that holdes them all to be Sacraments , then that which denies it : First , because all the olde Schoolemen affirme it , excepting onely Durandus , and the grauer sort of the new , as Franciscus de victoria , Petrus a Soto , &c. Bellarmine . ibid. cap. 8. pag. 53. Secondly , Dominicus a Soto , and some others against Petr. a Soto , Ledesmius , Hosius , &c. THe third Controuersie is , of the matter and form of this Sacrament : for wheras in the Ordination of the Priest and Deacon , there are two externall signes , imposition of hands , and reaching forth of an Instrument , as of the Chalice & Patin in the Priesthood : The booke of the Gospels in the Deaconship . The question is , whether of these two signes are the essentiall matter of this Sacrament . Some thinke , that imposition of hands is onely accidentall , and that the reaching foorth of the Instruments is onely essentiall . So holdes Dominicus a Soto ( Dist. 24. quaest . 1. art . 4. ) and some others : But the more probable and true opinion is , That not onely the reaching out of the Instruments , but the imposition of hands also , is the essentiall matter of this Sacrament : So affirmes Petrus a Soto , Martinus Ledesmius , Cardinall Hosius , &c. Bellarmine ibid. cap. 9. pag. 54. Thirdly , Durandus against the rest . OF the Catholike writers there is onely Durandus , who ( vpon 4. Dist. 26. qu. 3. ) holdeth , that Matrimony cannot be called a Sacrament , saue only Equiuocally : whom Chemnitius brings for his part ; forgetting , that by Durandus owne confession , all our Diuines teach the contrary . Bellarmine of the Sacram. of Matrimony , c. 1. p. 66. Fourthly , Alphonsus a Castro and Petr. a Soto against the Councell of Florence and Trent . THere are some Catholikes which hold , that Matrimony is not properly a Sacrament of the new Law , but that it was so in the old Law amongst the Iewes , and so not instituted , but onely confirmed by Christ : So teaches Alphonsus a Castro 11. booke against Heres . Petrus a Soto Lect. 2. of Matrimony , and some others . But I see not how that can be safely defended ; for the Councell of Florence reckons vp Matrimony amongst the Sacraments of the newe Law ; and the Councell of Trent Sess. 24. Can. 1. in flat wordes , saith , that the Sacrament of Matrimony was instituted by Christ in the new Law. Bellarm. ibid. cap. 5. pag. 85. Fiftly , two opinions of Popish Doctors differing . COncerning carnall copulation , are two opinions of Catholikes : Some teach , that it neither is the Sacrament , nor part of the Sacrament , but only an act or duety of Matrimony ; and therefore only accidentall in respect of the Sacrament of Matrimonie : Others would haue it a part of the Sacrament , yet not an essentiall part , but integrall ; and therefore before copulation the Matrimony is ratified , but not consummate . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 5. p. 91. Sixtly , three different opinions of three rankes of Papists . SOme hold ( as Petrus Paludanus , Io. Capreolus , Io. Eckius ) that those married persons which are conuerted to Christianity , ought after their baptisme to be maried together againe , and then that their marriage is made a Sacrament : Others , as Tho. de Argentina , and Paludanus , &c. say , that without any new contract , that Matrimony which before Baptisme was no Sacrament , straight after baptisme become a Sacrament . But how euer it be , the common opinion of Diuines is , that the mariage of Infidels may be true and lawfull , but not ratified nor indissoluble : but if both be conuerted , and baptized , their mariage becomes both ratified , and indissoluble , and consequently a Sacrament . Bellarm. ibid. c. 5. p. 102. Seuenthly , Canus confuted by Bellarmine . MElchior Canus while he striues for the defence of his new and singular opinion , vnwisely vseth those arguments , whereby the Heretickes of our time might vexe the Church ; for in his 8. booke of Theolog. places , chap. 5. he affirmes , that not euery mariage lawfully contracted betwixt Christians , is a Sacrament , but that onely , which is celebrated by an Ecclesiasticall Minister in set and solemne words . See his opinion sharply confuted by Bellarmine , ibid. cap 6. & 7. which he concludes thus : That Canus goes about , so much as in him lies , to proue that there is no true sacrament of Matrimony in the Church . pag. 103.104 &c. Eightly , diuers opinions of their Doctors . SOme teach , that the Patriarches had but one lawfull wife , and the rest were their Concubines . Others not onely teach , that those women were the true and lawfull wiues of the Patriarches , but also hold , that this was not forbidden , saue onely by the positiue law of the Gospell , which they would haue the opinion of St. Ierome and Augustine . There is a third opinion common in the Schooles , that the Patriarches might by Gods dispensation marry more wiues then one : but of this are diuers conceits , some thinke that the seuerall Patriarches had a peculiar inspiration from God for this dispensation : Others hold it enough that this dispensation was made knowne by inspiration to the first Patriarches , &c. Bellarm. ibid cap. 11. pag. 136. Ninthly , Erasmus , Catharinus , Caietanus against the other Popish Doctors . ERasmus in his notes vpon 1. Cor. 7. goes about largely to shew , that in case of fornication the Innocent partie may marry againe : And these notes were set forth by Erasmus in the yeare of our Lord 1515. two yeares before Luthers faction arose . And there are two other Catholikes , which are possessed with the same errour : Ambrose Catharinus and Caietanus ; for Catharinus concludes in his notes vppon Caietane , as from him ; That from the Gospell it cannot be gathered , that in case of fornication it is not lawfull to marry againe ; but that this is forbidden by diuers Canons , and therefore ought not to be done without the authority of the Church . Bellarm . ibid. cap. 15. pag. 160. Tenthly , Bellarmine against Canus . DOminicus a Soto vpon 4. Sent. Dist. 26. quaest . 2. affirmes , that in his time there were some which began to defend , that the essentiall forme of this Sacrament of Matrimony , are those wordes of the Priest , I ioyne you together , but yet that there was none , which durst commit this Opinion to Writing ; whence it followes , that the Opinion of Canus is newe and singular , &c. Bellarmine in his first Booke of Matrimonie , cap. 7. pag. 110. Diuers opinions of Diuines acknowledged : Canus Confuted . THat which Canus saith , that our Diuines write no certainety of this Sacrament , that they are distracted into diuers opinions , helpeth his cause nothing at all ; for though our Diuines follow diuers opinions of the matter of this Sacrament , yet of the forme and minister of it , they disagree not . See the confutation of Canus at large , Chap. 8. &c. Bellarmine the same booke , cap. 7. pag. 111. DECAD . X. First , Pet. Lombard , Bonauenture , Rich. Dominicus a Soto , against Thomas , Scotus , Duran . Palud . Abulensis , &c. IT is a question among our Doctors , whether Diuorce so graunted to the Iewes , as that after it they might marry againe , were yeelded to them as lawfull , or as a lesser euill : Master of Sentenc . Dist. 33. Lib. 4. and Bonauentura , Richardus , Dominicus a Soto , and others hold it was euer vnlawfull , but onely tolerated with impunity , for the auoiding of a greater euill : But the contrary opinion ( I must confesse ) euer seemed to me most probable , which is defended by Saint Thomas , Scotus , Durandus , Paludanus , Abulensis , Eckius , Dominicus a Soto . Bellarmine the same booke , cap. 17. pag. 192. Secondly , Erasmus and Gropperus against the rest . ERasmus was the first that called this matter into Controuersie : Whether the consent of Parents be required to the essence of Matrimonie ; but the Catholike Doctors are so farre from doubting of this point , as that they neuer number the want of Parents consent , amongst the impediments of Matrimony , and the Councell of Trent accurses them which shall hold mariage , without consent of Parents void , or voydable by parents . All the old Diuines , and amongst them St. Tho. in 4. d. 28. and the most of the learned new writers , as Ruard . Petr. and Dominic . a Soto , and others , teach , that Matrimonie without consent and knowledge of parents , is not onely true marriage , but also a true Sacrament : Indeed Gropperus denies this Clandestine Matrimony to be a Sacrament , wherein he is manifestly deceiued , and contradicts both St. Thomas and all sounder Diuines . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 19 , & 20. pag. 201.202 . &c. Thirdly , Thomas , Bonauent . Albert. Richard. Durand . Dominicus a Soto , against Scotus , Paludan , Caietane , and all Canonists . IT is a Controuersie among Catholikes , by what Law a solemne vow dissolueth that Matrimonie , which is contracted after the saide vow ; whether by the Law naturall and Diuine , or onely Ecclesiasticall and positiue : For many , and those graue Diuines Saint Thomas , Saint Bonauenture , Albertus , Richardus , Durandus , and Dominicus a Soto hold , that a solemne vow dissolues Matrimony by the Lawe of GOD and nature : but many denie their grounds , as Scotus , Paludanus , and Caietane , and all the Interpreters of the Canon law , as Panormitanus witnesseth : who thinketh , that this dissolution is onely warranted by the Decree of the Church . Bellarm. ibid. c. 21. pag. 217. Fourthly , Caietane against the common opinion . COncerning these foure forbidden degrees , some Doctors haue denied , that they are forbidden by the law of nature , amongst whom is Caietane , in 2.2 . q. 154. But yet the commoner and truer opinion teacheth the contrary . Bellarm. ibid. c. 28. p. 278. Fiftly , Albertus , Thomas , Bellarmine , and others against Pet. Lombard , Io. Scotus , &c. THere be some of our Diuines , which seperate Originall iustice giuen to our first Parent , in his Creation , from that Grace which wee call ( Gratum facientem ) and which teach , that Adam receiued indeede at first a certaine habite , which subiected the inferiour part of the soule to the superiour ; but not this sauing Grace , which makes vs the Sonnes and friends of GOD , and is necessary to the earning of eternall life ; Of which opinion were Peter Lombard , 2. Sent. Dist. 24. and after him Io. Scotus and certaine other . We follow Albertus Magnus , Saint Thomas and others , which conioyne Originall iustice with the said Grace , &c. Bellarmine in his booke of the grace giuen to our first Parents , cap. 3. pag. 9. Sixtly , some learned Papists confuted by Bellarmine . THE State of Adam after his fall , differ'd no otherwise from his estate in his pure naturalles , then a stripped man from a naked , neyther is mans nature euer a whit the worse , if you onely take away his Originall fault ; neyther is more ignorant and weake , then it would haue beene in his meere naturals : therefore the corruption of nature is not of the want of any naturall gift , or the addition of any ill quality , but onely from the losse of his supernaturall gift , from Adams sinne , which is the common opinion of Schoolemen , both olde and new : neyther did wee learne this which wee teach from Dominicus a Soto onely : neyther hath Saint Thomas and other approued Authors written the contrary ( as some otherwise very learned men doe hold ) but as I said , this is the commoner Opinion , as shall appeare by the testimonies following . Bellarmine in his booke of the grace giuen to our first parents , cap. 5. pag. 21. Seuenthly , Bellarmine against Eugubinus . THE Pelagians held , that man should haue died though hee had not sinned : to which errour Augustinus Eugubinus comes very neare in his notes vpon Genes . 2. Bellarmine in the same booke of the grace giuen to mankinde in our first Parent , cap. 8. pag. 46. Eightly , Franc. Georgius refuted by Bellarmine . SOme of the Auncients haue turned all that Historie of Paradise , the Riuers and Trees , into meere Allegories , as Philo , Valentinus Haeresiarcha , Origenes : But in our age Franciscus Georgius , 1. Tom. of Problemes , and in his Harmony of the World , Cant. 1. Tom. 7. chap. 21. hath gone about to receiue and defend this opinion , long since condemned by the fathers . Bellarm. ibid. c. 10. p. 53. Ninthly , Aug. Eugubinus , Hier. de Oleastro , Vatablus , Iansenius reiected by Bellarmine . THe fourth opinion is , of some later Writers , Augustine Eugubinus , Hierome de Oleastro , Francis Vatablus , Cornelius Iansenius that hold , Paradise was in Mesopotamia , but that in the time of the Deluge , the beauty and pleasure of it so faded , that there was no shew of a Paradise , and therefore now there is no more guard of the Angell , or flaming sword : But for many causes I cannot like this opinion . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 12. pag. 62. Tenthly , the later Papists against the auncient . HOwsoeuer the later writers , which we cyted before ; Eugubinus , Iansenius and others , holde the contrary ; yet since I neuer read any of the auncient , which haue held the earthly Paradise to be perished , eyther by waters or by any other cause : And I haue found many that affirme it is yet extant , as almost all the Schoolemen ( vpon 2. Sent. d. 17. ) and Saint Thomas : besides , Iren. Hierom. Augustine , Theodoret , Bede , &c. and others : I dare not dissent from so common and receiued an opinion , Bellarm. ibid. cap. 14. pag. 68. THE PEACE OF ROME . THE THIRD BOOKE OR CENTVRY . DECAD . I. First , Bellarm. against S. Tho. and other Schoolemen . IT is held by Io. Damascenus , St. Thomas , and other of the Schoolemen , that men onely , and not brute creatures should haue had place in Paradise , if man had not sinned ; But the authority of Saint Basill and Saint Austin , which teach the contrary , preuaileth more with me : See the confutation . Bellarmine the same booke , cap. 15. pag. 71. Secondly , the Schoolemen opposed by Bellarmine . St. Austin whom the Schoolemen in this doe follow , holdes , that the tree of life was appointed to defend that death , which vseth to ensue vpon olde age : the opinion of many other Fathers , and I thinke very agreeable to Scripture , and reason , is quite otherwise ; namely , that this Tree had this power , that once tasted of , it could giue perfect immortality , such as we shall haue after our resurrection , &c. This I confesse I like better of the two . Bellarmine ibid. c. 18. pag. 74. Thirdly , Bellarmine against Alphonsus de Castro . I Maruell what Alphosus de Castro meant , to write that Saint Ierome neuer ascribed this errour of the equalitie of sinnes to Iouinian , for in many pages in his second booke against Iouinian , hee both names him , and answereth his Arguments for this purpose . Bellarm. in his first booke of the losse of grace and State of sinne , cap. 4. pag. 97. Fourthly , Io. Gerson and Io. Rossensis against Lombard and the rest , and Iacob . Almaine . THe Catholike Diuines in the Master of Sent. 2. B. Dist. 42. and Saint Thomas out of the consent of almost all writers teach , that some sinnes of their owne nature ( without all respect to Predestination , or reprobation of the state of the regenerate , or vnregenerate ) are deadly , and others veniall , and that by the first , man is made vnworthy of Gods fauour , and guilty of death ; by the other liable onely to some temporall punishment , and fatherly chastisement : Onely Io. Gerson , 3. p. Theol. Tract . 3. and Io. of Rochester in his refutation of 32. Art. of Luther , and Iacobus Almaine must be excepted , which differ somewhat herein from the common opinion of Diuines . Bellarm . ibid. c. 4. p. 102. Fiftly , Bellarmine and Thomas against Scotus and Bonauenture . THE common opinion of Catholike Diuines is , that Eues first sinne was pride , yea S. Thomas holdes , that the first sinne of both our first Parents was pride , 2.2 . quaest . 163. S. Bonauenture and Scotus hold , that Adams first sinne was inordinate loue to his wife , not of concupiscence , but of humane kindnesse . The other opinion is to be receiued rather : See the confutation of Scotus and Bonauenture , cha . 5. Bellarm. 3. booke of the losse of grace , &c. c. 4. p. 278. Sixtly , different opinions of ancient Fathers , maintained by some Papists . SOme thinke , that Eue beleeued not , that death should follow vpon the eating of the forbidden tree , but rather beleeued , that GOD had lyed to them , and vpon enuie forbad that so excellent and wholsome fruit . So teach Cyrill , Chrysostome , Augustine , Rupertus , Rabanus , and many others . Others thinke , that Eue beleeued that the same fruite was not indeed forbidden by God , and that she and her husband had mistooke the wordes of GOD : This opinion is noted by Augustine booke 11. Gen. ad literam , cap. 30. and by Epiphanius in the heresie of Cainites . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 6. pag. 290. Seuenthly , Scotus and some few others against Thomas , Albert , Bonauenture , Richard , Durand . SOme there are which thinke , that the first sinne of our first Parents might haue beene veniall : So holdes Scotus ( vppon 2. Senten . Dist. 21. ) and some fewe others which follow him : But the greater Diuines teach contrarie , as Saint Thomas , Albert , Saint Bonauenture , Richardus , Durandus , Egidius , and others , vpon 2. Sent. Dist. 21. and Alexander Alensis in Sum. Theol. p. 2. q. 104. Bellarm. ibid. cap. 8. pag 298. Eightly , Bellarmine against the Schoolemen , with Chrysostome . SAaint Chrysostome directly teacheth , that the sinne of Eue was more haynous then Adams , which opinion most of the Schoolemen follow , vpon 2. Sent. Dist. 22. Contrarily , Saint Ambrose by many Arguments , proues , that the man sinned worse then the woman : Saint Austin so speakes , as if he thought the sinnes of both equall : Bellarmine allowes Chrysostomes opinion for probable , but yeelds rather to Ambrose , and concludes , that absolutely the man sinned worse then the woman , though in respect of some acts , the woman sinned equally to him . Bellarm. ibid. c. 9. p. 299. Ninthly , three rankes of Popish Doctors dissenting . COncerning the Traduction of Originall sinne , Saint Austin holdes thus : That eyther both Bodie and Soule is corrupted in the deriuation of it , ( according to their Opinion , which holde the Soule propagated ) or that the Soule is corrupted in the Body , as in an vncleane vessel , according to them which hold the Soule created by God , and onely the corrupted flesh taken from our parents : Further , Austin writes , that the flesh is corrupted , because it is begotten in lust ; and that it is not Generation but lust , which properly traduceth sinne , as August . in his first booke De peccat . meritis , & 1. B. De nuptijs & concup . But this opinion , if it bee taken as the wordes sound ( as it is indeede vnderstood by Peter Lombard , Gregory Ariminensis , and Gabriel ) seemes not to bee suffered . Others hold , that the Soule is defiled with the Body , because the flesh destitute of Originall iustice , and growne rebellious to reason , drawes away the soule , and inclines it amisse : so thinke Alexander Alensis and S. Bonauenture : but this opinion is confuted by the same arguments . There is another opinion , which I doubt not is the truest , of Saint Anselme , Saint Thomas , Scotus , Durandus , and others vpon 2. Sent. dist . 31. That to the traducing of Originall sinne , nothing is required , but that a man be by true generation descended from Adam , for in that hee was in Adams loynes when he transgressed , hee did communicate with his sinne . Bellarmines 4. booke of losse of grace , cap. 12 pag. 400. Tenthly ▪ some Popish Doctors against Thomas Aquin ▪ and others . ALl hold , that no sinne could haue beene traduced to mankinde , if Eue alone had sinned : But in this they differ , that some thinke from Eues sinne alone ; there would haue growne a necessity of dying to her sonnes , and the other inconueniences that follow mortalitie : Others hold , that neither sinne nor necessity of dying would haue followed : This latter opinion is Saint Thomases , 1.2 . q. 81. and without doubt very true . Bellarm. ibid. c. 13. p. 402. DECAD . II. First , all Diuines against Thomas Aquin. THe common opinion is , that if the first man had not sinned , whosoeuer else should sinne , his offence should haue bin personall and particular , and therefore could not infect and defile his posterity : but yet S. Thomas seems to hold the contrary in his 5. quaest . of euill , art 4. but perhaps the place is corrupted . Bellarm . l. 4. c. 13. p. 403. Secondly , Capreolus , Caietanus and others against the common opinion . THough some Catholikes hold , that opinion to haue some more inclination to the truth , which exempts none but Christ from the state of originall sinne , yet euen those Authors doe not condemne the contrary opinion as erroneous , neyther indeede can , vnlesse they will resist the Decrees of the generall Councell of Trent , and of Sixtus 4. and Pius the 5. Popes , which if they did , they should not be reckoned for Catholikes ; and of this opinion were Capreolus , Caietanus and others . Bellarm. l. 4. c. 15. & 16. pag. 409. Thirdly , Bellarmine against some namelesse Papists . THere are that hold , the blessed Virgin sinned not in Adam ; for , they say , that the law of not eating of the tree of the Knowledge of good and euill , was giuen to our parents for themselues and their posterity , except the Virgin Marie ; which opinion seemes to me not safe to be defended . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 16. pag. 418. Fourthly , Hofmeisterus and Viruesius confuted by Bellar. OF our writers Iohn Hofmeisterus , and Alphonsus Viruesius doe scarce acknowledge , there is any difference in this article of Originall sinne , betwixt vs and the heretickes ; but if it be well considered , there is a double difference in our doctrine . Bellarm. l. 5. of the losse of grace , cap. 4. p. 460. Fiftly , the Councell of Trent against Pighius and Catharinus . THe Councell of Trent hath defined , that originall sinne is not as one , and the same in all ; but that euery man hath his owne proper birth-sinne , against the false opinion of Pighius and Catharinus . Bellarm. ibid. c. 6. p. 472. Sixtly , two rankes of Popish Doctors opposed by Bellarm. THere doe now remaine two incommodious opinions of Catholikes to be confuted . Some therefore of our authors , would haue originall sinne to be nothing but concupiscence : that is , a faulty quality in the mind , euermore stirring vp wicked desires : so holds Peter Lombard ( in 2. Sent. d. 31. ) Henricus [ b. 2. q. 11. ] Gregorius Ariminensis ; and of the later Io. Driedo : But this difference is betwixt Henry and Gregorie ; that Henry holds , that euill quality of the Soule , to be a pronenesse to all euill : Gregorie restrains it to the inclination vnto that thing , which is carnally delightfull . This opinion ( me thinkes ) cannot be defended . ( And a little after ) In all this we agree with Peter Lombard , Henricus , Gregory and the rest : Onely here lies the question , Whether this faultines of nature be a positiue quality , or not : and whether it be properly and formally originall sinne : they affirm both , we deny both . Bellarm. ib. c , 15. p. 548 Seuenthly , Albert Pighius , and Catharinus , and some ancient confuted by Bellarmine . LAstly remaines to be confuted , the errour of Albertus Pighius , Ambrosius Catharinus , and some of the ancient , as Pet. Lomb. reports ; which is , that original sin is nothing els but the first disobedience of Adam , wherby the precept of God , for not eating of the forbidden tree was broken , &c. but it is false and heretical , that original sinne is nothing else , besides the first actuall transgression of Adam , &c. Bellarm ▪ ibid. cap. 16. pag. 555. Eightly , foure sorts of Popish Doctors at irreconcileable variance . THere are fiue opinions of the estate and punishment of Infants vn-baptized , after this life : first of those which durst promise the Kingdome of heauen to them ; though they denied not , that they were borne in originall sinne : so held one Vincentius of old , and now lately Zuinglius , and many of the Sectaries of these times . The second of them which exclude them from heauen , but yet yeelde them an eternall and naturall blessednesse , free from all sorrow and trouble , out of the Kingdome of the blessed , and farre from the prison of the damned : so did the Pelagians hold , as August . b. of heresies , chap. 88. neare to which opinion are Ambrosius Catharinus Albertus Pighius , and Hierome Sauanarola . The third is , that Infants dying without baptisme are damned in hell to eternall death , but yet so punished with want of the vision of God , as that in the meane time they suffer no paine , neither inward nor outward : so teacheth S. Thomas in q. 4. of euill , art . 1.2 . &c. and some other Schoole Doctors [ vpon 2. Sent. d. 23. ] The fourth opinion exempts such infants from the torment of the fire and worme , whereof we reade ( Mar. 9. ) but not from an inward sorrow , for the losse of their eternall blessednesse . So teaches Peter Lombard ( vpon 2. Sent. ) and after him some others , as S. Thomas , S. Bonauenture , and Gregory Ariminensis , and others report . The fift , which is the seuerest opinion , teacheth , that Infants for their originall sinne , are perpetually tormented in hell , with both sorts of punishment , of losse , and of sense : to which opinion incline Gregorius Ariminensis , Io. Driedo . Bellarm. 6. b. of the losse of grace . c. 1. p. 174 ▪ 175. Ninthly , two sorts of Popish Writers opposite . THe place wherein such Infants doe , and shall liue , is the prison of hell ; a place darke and horrible , as almost all the Schoole-Diuines teach , Saint Thomas , S. Bonauenture , Scotus , Durandus , Richardus , Capreolus , and others vpon 2. Sent. dist . 33. and besides , Alexander Alensis , and Albertus . This difference only there is betwixt these olde Diuines , that some place Infants in the higher part of hell , which they call Limbum puerorum , the verge of Infants : others say , they haue one common place with the damned . Thus the fathers of the Florentine Councell teach , &c. Bellarm. ibid. c. 2. p. 582. Tenthly , Durandus , Thomas , Bonauenture , Richardus differing . SOme of the old Schoolemen haue held , that those infants shal therfore haue no sorrow , for the losse of blessednes , because they shall not know they haue lost it , which may be done onely by faith : this reason is approued by Thomas in qu. 2. de malo , but himselfe reproues it in 2. Sent. dist . 33. quaest . 2. Durandus vpon the same place defends it . Bonauenture hath deuised another reason : Thomas a third : and Richardus vpon the same place , seeing that the foresaid reasons did not giue satisfaction , addes a fourth , and saith : that infants know they are fallen from happinesse , and yet are not sadde , it comes to passe by a singular prouidence of God which remoues sorrow from their minds . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 6. pag. 609. DECAD . III. First , Albert Pighius and Peter Lombard , with Scotus against the rest , &c. THat no part of iustice stands in any quality or habite of ours , but all wholly in Gods free acceptation , is held by Caluin , Kemnitius , Heshusius : and to this opinion of the heretikes comes Albertus Pighius ( otherwise a Catholike Doctor ) but in some questions ( as Ruardus Tapperus noted before vs ) miserably seduced by reading of Caluins bookes : for thus Pighius writes in his fift booke of Freewill : Wee will fetch the diuers acceptions of grace from the Scriptures , not from the Schooles ; for in them commonly they immagine , that the grace of God is some quality created in our soules by God , &c. all which I thinke false and feined , and to haue no authority from scripture : thus Pighius . But the common opinion of Diuines constantly teacheth , that a supernaturall habite is infused into vs by God , whereby the soule is garnished and perfited , and so made acceptable to God. For though Peter Lombard in 1. Sent. dist . 17. seeme to say , that charity is not an habite , but the very holy Ghost himselfe , yet it appeares in the same booke dist . 37. he meant , that the spirit of God dwelleth not in them onely , which know and loue him , but euen in Infants by some habite : wherefore Io. Scotus holds , that Peter Lombards opinion may well be expounded and defended ; but St. Thomas and other Diuines reproue his opinion , as if he denied the habite of charity . Bellarm. of grace and freewill , l. 1. cap. 3. pag. 50. Secondly , foure diuers opinions of Popish Doctors . WHether the habite of grace be the same with the habite of charity , there are foure opinions of Diuines : for some would haue this iustifying grace ( gratum facientem ) to be an habite , in nature and respects different from charity , as St. Thomas , Capreolus , Caietanus , Ferrariensis , Dominicus a Soto . Others make not a reall , but a formall distinction betwixt them , as Albertus Magnus , Alexander Alensis , and perhaps St. Bonauenture vpon 2. Sent. dist . 26 Others hold them neither in deede nor formally , but onely in certaine respects different ; and this is the iudgement of Alexander Alensis , who belike changed his opinion , Richardus , Scotus , Mayro . Gabriel , Maior , Henry of Gaunt , and Andreas Vega. Others holde , there is no difference at all betwixt them , saue in name onely . So Durandus vpon 2. dist . 26. q. The third opinion seemes to be most probable , and more agreeing to Scripture , Fathers , and Councell of Trent . Bellarm. ibid. c. 6. p. 63. Thirdly , Thomas and all Diuines against Peter Lombard . VVE thought it meete to confute the opinion of them , which teach , that charity whereby we loue God , is not any created habite , but the very person of the holy Ghost , which vseth to be accounted Lombards opinion . But we must thinke Pet. Lomb. was not grosse , and dull , to thinke the very act of loue , which we our selues produce , is the very holy Ghost : but this was it , that Lombard taught , that the very next immediate cause , or ground of the loue of God , is the spirit of God in vs , and not any created habite , as of faith , hope , and the rest ; which opinion all Diuines confute in their Commentaries ( on the 1. booke Sent. dist . 17. ) especially Saint Thomas ( in 2.2 . q. 23. ) and in his questions , who answereth 24. obiections that might be made for Lombards opinion . Bellarm. ibid. c. 8. p. 77. Fourthly , three rankes of Popish Writers at variance . VVHence grace proueth effectuall , are three opinions : The first of them , which hold the efficacy of grace to stand in the assent and co-operation of mans will : and therefore these hold it in mans power to make grace effectuall , which otherwise in it selfe would be but sufficient . The other of those , which thinke effectuall grace to be the naturall action of God , which determines the wil , to will and choose that good , which was inspired to them by exciting grace : This opinion seemes eyther the same with the error of the Caluinists and Lutherans , or very little different ; The Abettors of this opinion like it , because they thinke it is Augustines : but that it was not his , may be shewed by foure arguments , &c. The third , is the meane betweene both these extremes . Bellarmine ibid. c. 12. p. 97.98 . &c. Fiftly , Popish Diuines diuided . MAny Catholike Diuines , and almost all , teach , that euery man hath sufficient grace giuen him for the place and time , and yet without preuenting grace no man can desire or receiue it . So Alexander Alensis , Albertus Magnus , S. Thomas , Bonauent . Scotus , P. Adrian , Io. Roffensis , &c. Bellarm. l. 2. of grace and freewill , c. 1. p. 116. Sixtly , Andr ▪ Vega against Abulensis , Adrian , Caietane , Roffensis . ALthough sufficient and necessary ayde to rise from sinne , be not wanting to any man for the time and place , yet it is not present at all times : This proposition is not mine onely , but it is confirmed by Abulensis , Adrianus 6. Caietane , Roffensis , Driedo , Tapperus . But Andreas Vega saith , that sinners may be at any or euery time conuerted , yet he addes , that they cannot at euery time bring that their possibility to effect : so he partly affirmes , and partly denies it . Bellarm . l. 2. c. 6. p. 131. Seuenthly , Thomas , and Caietane , and Bellarmine against other Doctors . DIuines indeede dispute , whether predestination belong rather to the vnderstanding , or to the will : But I like the opinion of Cardinal Caietane and St. Thomas , who hold it rather of the vnderstanding ; and the rather , because it is Saint Augustines in his booke De bono perseuerant . cap. 17. Bellarm. ib. c. 9. p 154. Eightly , Ambros. Catharinus and some others confuted by Bellarmine . BVT let vs more at large expound that principal place out of Rom. 9. because Ambros. Catharinus , and some other new Writers take it amisse . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 10. pag. 157. Ninthly , some namelesse Authors confuted by Bellarm. THE distinction which some Catholikes make betwixt predestination and election ; that predestination is before election ; predestination is the meanes , election respects the glory it selfe ; predestination is free , election depends on the praeuision of our good works . See by Bellarmine ( the same booke , cap. 15. p. 186. ) confuted , as disagreeing from Scripture and reason . Tenthly , eight seuerall opinions of Popish Doctors . THe first opinion is , That freewill doth consist properly in our act , not in any habite , &c. so teacheth Herueus ( 1. quodlibet . q. 1. ) who places freewill in those acts of the vnderstanding and will , which goe before deliberation , or the conclusion of deliberation . The second is , Bonauentures opinion , who placeth freewill in a certaine naturall habite , arising from reason and will ( vpon 2. Sent. Dist. 23. art . 1. ) The third is Albertus opinion , that freewill it is a power of the soule , perfected by a naturall habite . The fourth , that freewill is an vniuersal power , or faculty , conteining vnder it all the powers of the vnderstanding and sensitiue soule . This opinion is reported without name by Saint Bonauenture and Saint Thomas . The fift is , of Alexander Alensis , which teacheth , that freewill is a particular power or faculty of the soule , and distinct from reason and will ( in p. 2. Sum. q. 74. &c. ) The sixt is Durandus ( vpon 2. Sent. d. 24. q. 3. ) who teaches , that freewill is the very power of reason and will , but more especially of reason . The seuenth is the opinion of Henricus and Scotus ( in 2. Sent. dist . 25. ) who hold , that freewill is but one particular faculty , euen the will it selfe ; and that it is so free , that it doth not depend so much as vpon the practicall Iudgement of reason . The eight is the opinion of S. Thomas ( 1. part . Sum. q. 83. ) and ( in 1.2 . q. 13. &c. ) Richardus Capreolus , Conradus , Caietanus , and others , which hold , that freewill is indeede one particular faculty , euen the will it selfe ( as the former opinion ) but they adde , that the roote of this freedome is in reason , and that the will wholly depends vpon the last iudgement of practicall reason , which opinion seemes to me to be the truest . Bellarm. l. 3. cap. 7. pag. 221. DECAD . IIII. First , Occam against the common opinion . ALthough Gul. Occam write , that the obiect of the will is any thing that hath being , whether it be good or euill ; so that it can be set vpon euill , as it is euill : yet the common opinion of Diuines is contrary , &c. and amongst the rest of Saint Thomas in 1. part , q. 20. art . 1. &c. Bellarm. ibid. c. 12. p. 248. Secondly , three rankes of Popish Diuines disagreeing . ABout the obiect of freewill , there are three opinions ; The first of Pet. Lombard , Occam , Gabriel , who hold , that all things which are present , are necessary , and cannot be otherwise ; and therefore that future actions alone are in the power of freewill . The second of Gregorius Ariminensis ( vpon 1. Sent. d. 39. ) which thinkes , that the entring into an action , euen for the present , may be free , but that some continuance , is altogether necessary . The third is more common in Schooles , and more true , which is declared and defended by Io. Scotus , Capreolus , and Hersubcus : that freewill hath in his power , not onely future , but present actions , and not onely in their entrance , but continuance also . Bellar. ibid. cap. 13. pag. 251. Thirdly , Scotus and Henric ▪ against Thom ▪ and Capreolus . COncerning the first act of the will , whether it be simply free , as Scotus and Henricus hold , or whether it be wrought wholly by God alone , so as the will is but onely passiue , as Capreolus and Saint Thomas ( by Capreolus report ) or whether thirdly , it be efficiently of the will , but yet of God as the author of it : as following vpon that natural inclination , which God hath set in the will , as Caietane , Ferrariensis , and Saint Thomas . See Bellarmine same booke , cap. 14. pag. 256. Fourthly , Petrus ab Aliaco against Saint Thomas and other Diuines . ONe Controuersie remains , whether by the light of reason alone , we can know that there is a God , and that he is one . Of our men Petrus ab Aliaco in 2. Sent. q. 3. writes , that we can know nothing at all of God , without a speciall helpe of grace : but almost all Diuines , and especially Saint Thomas , teach the contrary ; who doubt not to call that opinion erroneous . Bellarmine in his fourth booke of grace and freewill , c. 2. p. 277. Fiftly , Durandus against all Diuines : some other namelesse against the rest . OF actions naturall , or ciuill , or manuall ( without consideration of any morall good or euill in them ) whether they could be done of vs , by the onely power of nature , there haue beene two contrary errours : for some haue taught that man as well as other things , can doe his workes without any helpe of God , whether generall or speciall . So Origen seemes to hold , as Saint Thomas noteth : so also the Pelagians , and amongst others Durandus vpon 2. Sent. dist . 1. quaest . 5. Others haue held in an other extreame , that God doth so immediately and properly worke all things , that the second causes do iust nothing ; but in their presence God doth all . Saint Thomas reports this opinion , in quaest ▪ de potentia art . 7. The true and common opinion of Diuines is betweene both . Bellarmine the fourth booke , cap. 4. pag. 285. Sixtly , Saint Thomas , Gregorie , Gabriel , Buridan , Andreas de Castro , Laurent . Valla , in three rankes against one another . ONe of the maine Controuersies of this matter is , whether man haue freewill in naturall and ciuill actions , whereof are three opinions : First , of well neare all Catholikes , that not onely man is of freewill in the foresaid actions , but that this is euident , both in the light of nature and doctrine of faith , as Saint Thomas ( aboue others ( in quaest . 6. de malo ) and Gregory , Gabriell , and others vpon 2. Sent. d. 25. The second of some Catholikes , which hold it certaine by the doctrine of faith , not by the light of reason , that man hath this freewill . So teach Io. Buridanus 3. Ethic. q. 1. Andr. de Castro , 1. Sent. d. 45. cyted by Ruardus , &c. The third opinion , or heresie rather , is of Laurentius Valla in his booke of free-will , &c. and Bucer , who teach , that man hath not freewill in any thing , in this state of his corrupted nature ; no not in things indifferent and ciuill . Bellarm. l. 4. c. 5. p. 289. Seuenthly , Caietane , Durandus , and another sort vn-named against each other , and Bellarm. against all . THE co-operation of Gods prouidence with mans freewill , Caietane thinks cannot be expressed : Contrary , Durandus thinkes he hath sufficiently vnfolded it , when he teacheth , that there is no concourse of Gods will with second causes ; but that the natures and vertues of themselues are sufficient : and that God as he hath made them , so should preserue them . But this opinion is false and contrary to Scriptures , Fathers , and reason . The third sort hold , that God by his concourse determines the action of mans will , and yet that it is absolutely free : and this for many causes I cannot allow . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 14. pag. 318. Eightly , Greg. Ariminensis , Capreolus , Cassalius against Albert , Bonauenture , Scotus , Richard Durandus , &c SOme Diuines hold , that no morall truth can be knowne by man , in the state of his corrupted nature , without the speciall aide of Gods spirit so teach Gregorius Ariminensis , Iohannes , Capreolus , Gaspar Cassalius . Contrarily , all Diuines almost thinke by the meere power of nature , and by a generall ayde of God , some morall truth may be knowne . So Albertus , S. Bonauenture , Scotus , Richardus , Durandus , Dominicus a Soto , S ▪ Thomas , &c. This latter opinion seemes the truest , which we doe the rather defend , because it so much displeaseth our aduersaries , and Io. Caluin especially . Bellarm. 5. booke of grace and freewill , cap. 1. pag. 337. Ninthly , Scotus , Durandus , Gabriel , Gregor . Ariminensis , Capreolus , Marsilius , Alexander , Albert , Thomas Bonauent . opposite to each other . ALl Catholikes agree , that no workes meritorious of grace , can be done by the onely power of nature ; and secondly , that all our workes before iustification are no sinnes : within these bounds some dispute for freewill , perhaps more freely and lauishly then were meete , as Scotus , Durandus , Gabriell , vpon 2 Sent. d. 28. Others againe giue lesse to it then they should , as Gregorius ● Ariminensis , Capreolus vpon 2. Sent d. 28. and Marsilius . We wil follow that , which the greater and grauer sort of Diuines teach , namely , Alexander , Albertus , S. Thomas , S. Bonauenture , &c. Bellarm. l. 5. c. 4. p. 351. Tenthly , two sorts of namelesse Doctors opposed . PErhaps those authors which say , that without the helpe of God no tentation can be ouercome , and those which hold , some may be vanquished without it , may be reconciled ; yet their opinion and speech is more agreeable to Scriptures and Fathers , which say , no tentation can be ouercome without Gods ayde . Bellarm. ibid. c. 7. p. 363. DECAD . V. First , Bellarmine with Saint Thomas and Bonauenture against some namelesse Doctors . FOr the common saying in Schooles ( To the man that doth what he can , God denies not grace ) I answere , that this is well expounded of St. Thomas in 1. 2. q. 109. and Saint Bonauenture in 2. Sent. dist . 28. grace is not denied to him that doth his vtmost , when a man doth it by working together with Gods grace , whereby he is stirred ; not when he worketh only by the power of nature : certainely those which teach that man by doing what he may , is by the onely strength of nature prepared to grace ; eyther thinke that hee may thereby desire , and aske grace , which is the Pelagians heresie , or hold , that man by his owne strength may keepe all the morall law , &c. and this also is Pelagianisme , confuted in the former booke . Bellarm. l. 6. of grace and freewill , c. 6. p. 508. Secondly , Bellarmine against Dominicus a Soto . SOme Catholikes , and especially Dominicus a Soto , 2. b. of nat . and grace , c. 14. denie , that our dispositions towards iustification , can by any reason be called merits , and to be iustified freely , they hold to imply a iustification , without any merite whatsoeuer : But I cannot vnderstand , why we should not in that case vse the name of merite ( especially with that addition of congruity ) when we speake of works done by the preuenting grace of God. Bellarm. of iustification , l. 1. c. 21. p. 103. Thirdly , Albertus Pighius and the Diuines of Colen against the Councell of Trent and Bellarmine . NOt onely Martin Bucer , but Albertus Pighius ( with some others , as namely the Diuines of Colen ) in his second controuersie , held this opinion , or error rather , that there is a double iustice , wherby we are formally iustified , one imperfect , which is in our inherent vertues : the other perfect , which is Christs righteousnes impured , whose opinion is reiected by the Councell of Trent , Sess. 6. c. 7. Bellarm. l. 2. of Iustification , c. 1. & 2. p. 124. Fourthly , Gropperus , Catharinus , Saint Thomas , Bonauenture , Scotus , in three opinions . OF this matter , concerning certainty of saluation , there are 3. opinions , or rather falshoods : The first , of the heretickes of this time , that the faithfull may haue such knowledge , as that by a sure faith they may know their sinnes forgiuen , &c. The second is , of the Author of the Enchiridion Coloniense , which holds , that a man both may , and ought to be certaine his sinnes are forgiuen , but yet he denies , that he is iustified by faith alone : But this booke is in many other things worthy of the censure of the Church . The third is of Ambrosius Catharinus , who holds , that a man may be certaine of his owne grace , euen by the assurance of faith : Contrary to these errours is the common opinion of almost all Diuines , Saint Thomas , S. Bonauenture , Scotus , Durandus , Roffensis , Alphonsus a Castro , Dominicus a Soto , Ruardus , &c. Nicholas Saunders , Thomas Stapleton , &c. that no man by any certainty of faith be assured of his iustice , except those which haue speciall reuelations . Bellarm. l. 3. of Iustice , c. 3. p. 206. Fiftly , the Diuines of Louan and Paris against Catharin . HOw Bellarmine presseth Catharinus with the authoritie of the Vniuersities of Paris and Louan , and the flat wordes of the Councell of Trent ; and Catharinus his answeres and elusions of all , See Bellarm. ibid. cap. 3. pag. 208. Sixtly , Bellarmine against Catharinus . CAtharinus his exposition of those places of Ecclesiastes , Ecclesiasticus , Iob for his purpose , see largly confuted by Bellar. Bellar. ib. c. 4. & 5. p. 211.212 . Seuenthly , Catharinus and two rankes of Popish Diuines differing . I Say there is no Catholike writer holds , that a man should euer doubt of his reconciliation with God ; for there are three opinions amongst Catholikes : One of Ambrosius Catharinus , which doth not onely exclude all doubt , but addes , that the iust man may haue an assurance of his iustification , by the certainty of a Diuine faith . Another goes not so farre , yet holdes , that perfect men are wont to attaine vnto that security , as that they haue no feare of their iustification , as we beleeue without all doubting that there was a Caesar , an Alexander , &c. though we saw them not , but this opinion I confesse , I like not . The third , which is more common in the Church , takes not away all feare , but yet takes away all anxiety , and wauering doubfulnes . Bellar. l. 3. of iustific . c. 11. p. 264 Eightly , Andr. Vega against Thom. and other Catholikes ANdr . Vega in his 11. booke vpon the Councells , c. 20. holds , veniall sin to be properly against the Law : But veniall sinnes ( without which we cannot liue ) are not simply sinnes , but imperfectly , and in some regards , and are not indeede against the law , but besides it , as St. Thomas teaches well in 1.2 . q. 88. Bellarm. l. 4. c. 14. p. 359. Ninthly Robert Holkot against Saint Thomas and the common opinion . ALthough some haue taught , that freedome of will is not necessary to merite , as Robert Holkot held ( witnesse Io. Picus in his Apologie ) yet the common opinion of Diuines is contrary , as it appeares out of St. Thomas 1.2 . quaest . 114. and other Doctors , vpon 1. Sent. d. 17. &c. Bellarm. l. 5. of Iustification , c. 10. p. 432. Tenthly , a certaine namelesse Author against Pius 5. Peter Lombard , and others . IT was the opinion of a certaine late Author , which was in many points condemned by Pius 5. that eternall life is due to good workes , for that they are the true obedience to the law ; not for that they are done by a person aduanced by grace , into the state of the Sonne of God ; so hee holdes , that meritorious workes may be done by a man not regenerate by Baptisme , &c. The contrary opinion is receiued and allowed in the Schooles of Catholike Diuines : See Pet. Lombard , and the Diuines vpon 2. Sent. dist . 24. Bellarm. l. 5. of iustification , c. 12. p. 438. DECAD . VI. First , Guliel . Altisidoriensis against all Popish Doctors . IT was the singular opinion of Gulielm . Altisidoriensis ( l. 3. Tract . 12. c. 1. &c. ) that merit doth more principally depend vpon faith , then charity ; which opinion of his doth not a little fauour the heretickes of this time : But in truth Scripture is so pregnant against him , that I wonder so worthy a man could be so far deceiued . Bellarm. ibid. c. 15. p. 454. Secondly , Bellarm. against many of their graue Authors . THough there be some graue Authors which hold , that euery good worke of a iust man , and a man indued with charity is meritorious of eternall life : yet I hold it more probable , that there is further required to merite , that the good worke should in the very act of it proceede from charity , and be directed to God , as the supernatural end , &c. Bellarm. l. 5. cap. 15. pag 456. Thirdly , Thomas Waldensis , Paulus Burgensis , against Durandus , and Gregorius and the common opinion . ALL Catholickes acknowledge , that good workes are meritorious of eternall life : but some holde that these wordes ( of congruity and condignity ) are not to bee vsed : but onely that wee should say absolutely , that good workes by the grace of GOD doe merite eternall life : So teacheth Thomas Waldensis , Tom. 3. of Sacraments . chap. 7. Paulus Burgensis in Psalme 35. Others will haue them to merite by condignity , in a large manner : So teach Durandus and Gregorius . The common opinion of Diuines dooth simply admit a merite of condignity . Bellarmine lib. 5. cap. 16. pag. 459 Where note , that Bellarmine findes Durandus to hold the same in this point with vs. pag. 460. lin . 5. Fourthly , Bellarmine against some of their acute Distinguishers . HOw some distinguish nicely betwixt Dignum and Condignum , and their confutation , who will admit a merite of dignity , not of condignity , See Bellarm. l. 5. c. 16. p. 459. Fiftly , Caietane and Dom. a Soto , Scotus , Andr ▪ Vega , Tho. and Bonauenture with Bellarm ▪ differing . SOme hold , that the good workes of the iust merite eternall life vpon their very worth , in regard of the worke : though there were no such agreement betwixt God and vs : So hold Caietane ( in 2.2 . quaest . 114. ) and Dominicus a Soto ( 3. booke of Nature and Grace , chap. 7. ) Others contrarily , thinke that good workes proceeding from grace , are not meritorious vpon the very worth of the worke , but onely in regard of Gods couenant with vs , and his gratious acceptation : Thus holdes Scotus in 1. Sent. d. 17. q. 2. whom other of the old Schoolemen follow : and of the later Andreas Vega : yet this opinion differs far from the heresie of the Lutherans , &c. But to me the meane opinion seemes more probable , which teaches , that good workes are meritorious of eternall life vpon condignity , in respect of the worke and couenant together , which opinion I doubt not is agreeable to the Councell of Trent , and the chiefe Diuines , as St. Thomas and Bonauent . Bellarm. l. 5 , c. 17. p. 464. Sixtly , Thomas and Bonauent . against Andr. Vega and the Doctor of Louan . THe last question is , whether God reward good works of his meere liberality , aboue their worthines : the common opinion constantly affirmes it , as is plaine in Saint Thomas , S. Bonauent . Scotus , Durandus , &c. But Andr. Vega , and that Doctor of Louan ( many of whose opinions Pius 5. confuted ) held the contrary : and this is the fourteenth opinion by him expressed and condemned . Bellarm. l. 5. c. 19. p. 471. Seuenthly , some Popish Doctors against Chrysostome confuted by Bellarmine . WHether God doe giue punishment to euill workes , beyond the worthines or condignity of them , is not so certaine . St. Chrysostome seemes to patronage the affirmatiue part , but Saint Austin rather tolerates then approues it : some others defend the negatiue by foure testimonies of Scripture , answered by Bellarm. lib. 5. cap. 19. pag. 472. Eightly , Caietane against Dominic . a Soto and Bellarm. THough Cardinall Caietane teach , that those Clerkes and Monkes sinne not deadly , which choose the Romane Breuiary , and neglect that Breuiary which is proper to their order , and Church : yet that opinion is not so safe and sure , as Dominicus ● Soto well admonishes , except it be by consent of the Bishop and whole Chapter . Bellarm. of good workes in particular , l. 1. cap. 18. pag. 96. Ninthly , Bellarmine against Panormitan . VVE answere , that Clerkes and Monkes are by Gods law bound to pray and praise God more then others : but vnto this forme of prayer and praises which is now in vse , they are onely tyed by the determination of the Church ; as for that which Panormitanus ( otherwise a learned Lawyer ) holds , that the number of seuen houres for Diuine seruice is determined by Gods law , when Dauid saith , seuen times a day do I praise thee , it is very sleight , &c. Bellarm. ibid. c. 19. p. 102. Tenthly , some Popish Doctors opposed by Bellarmine and Pius 5. and Concil . Lateran . VVHatsoeuer some Doctors haue formerly thought , we say , that now doubtlesse those Clerkes which doe not their Diuine offices , eyther ought to want the fruits of their Benefices , or if they haue receiued them , to restore them againe for common Almes , or reparations of their Churches : and there is a flat Decree for this in the Councell of Lateran , Sess. 9. Statuimus , and in the constitution of Pius 5. Bellarm. ibid. cap. 19. p. 103. DECAD . VII . First , Bellarmine against Io. Cassianus , and some others vn-named . ANother opinion for Lent , is that of Io. Cassianus , who teaches , that in the Primitiue Church , the Fast was alike all the yeare long : after , when deuotion grewe cold , it pleased all the Priests to appoint the Fast of Lent , and to establish it in a firme Law. But this opinion is built on a false ground . The third opinion is of them , who referre the institution of Lent to Pope Telesphorus &c. But the only true opinion is , that the Lent fast was ordained by the Apostles of Christ : and enioyned to the whole Church . Bellarm. l , 2. of good W. in part , c 14. p. 177. Secondly , Albertus against Thomas and Bellarmine . THough the precept of Almes belong not properly to the tenne commandements , since therin onely are contained precepts of iustice : Yet Diuines vse to reduce all morall precepts to those ten . And some ( as Albertus vpon 4. dist . 15. art . 16. ) reduce the precept of Almes to that commandement , Thou shalt not steale , Others as Saint Thomas in 2.2 . quaest . 32. &c. Honour thy father and mother : which opinion is more probable . Bellarmine the third booke , cap. 6. pag. 233. Thirdly , some graue Diuines against St. Thomas , Albertus , Richardus , Paludanus , &c. ALthough there be graue Diuines that hold the contrary , yet I hold that the truer and safer opinion , which teaches , that no superfluous riches can be retained in our hands without sinne : whether we meete with extreame necessities of the poore , whereon to bestow them or no , which opinion followes S. Thomas , in 2.2 . quaest . 6● . Art. 7. and besides him , Albertus , Richard , Paludanus , and others vpon 4. Sent. dist . 15. In which place S. Thomas writes , that this is the common opinion of Diuines . Bellarm. ibid. c. 7. pag. 236. Fourthly , the old Schoolemen against the common opinion and Bellarmine . SOme of the old Schoolemen , though they admitted indulgences , yet doubted of the spirituall treasure : as Francis Mayro ( vpon 4. Sent. d. 19. ) makes question of the treasure of the ouerflowing satisfactions of Christ , laid vp in the Church , and Durandus ( vpon 4 dist . 20. q. 3. ) doubteth , whether the satisfaction of Saints pertaine to the treasure . But the common opinion of Diuines both old and new , St. Thomas , S. Bonauenture , and others , acknowledge both . Bellarm. l. 1. of Indulgences , c. 2. p. 8. Fiftly , Pius 5. Gregory , 13. Clem. 6. Leo. 10. against some Diuines of Louan . SOme of the new Writers , especially the Doctors of Louan , haue taught , that the sufferings of Saints are not so by Indulgences applyed , that they become true satisfactions for vs : but that they be motiues only to induce God to apply to vs Christs satisfaction : but this opinion was condemned by Pius 5. Gregory 13. by Clement 6. and Leo 10. Bellarm. l. 1. of Indulg . cap. 4. pag. 32. Sixtly , Durand , Anthonius , Pope Adrian , Syluester , Thomas , Franciscus Mayro , Caietane , Dominicus a Soto , &c. disagreeing . SOme there haue beene , which would haue pardons nothing else but a payment , or discharge of punishments , out of the treasure of Christs merites and the Saints , applyed to vs by the Pope : So held Durandus ( 4 dist . 20. ) Saint Anthonius , P. Hadrian 6. Syluester , and S. Thomas as it seemes ( vpon 4. d. 20. q. 1. ) Contrarily , Francis Mayro in the place forecited , wil haue pardons nothing but a iudiciary absolution : which opinion seemes to be fauoured by the examples of the auncientest Councels . But the late Diuines haue on better consideration defined , that in Indulgences there is both an Absolution , and a payment , &c. Caietane , Dominicus a Soto , Petrus a Soto , Martinus , Ledesmius , and others . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 5. pag. 34. Seuenthly , Pope Sixtus 4. and Bellarmine against Petrus Oxoniensis . WHerefore the opinion of Petrus Oxoniensis was iustly condemned of Pope Sixtus 4. and the Councell Complutense , which held , that the Pope could not pardon to a man liuing vpon earth , his punishment of purgatorie ; and that by contrition alone our sinnes are done away : See Alphonsus de Castro his booke of heresies , the word Confession . Bellarm. ibid. cap. 6. pag. 37. Eightly , Archidiaconus and Syluester , and some others against Sotus , Nauarrus , and the common opinion . SOme haue held , that the pope or other Bishops are not partakers of those pardons , which they giue to others in common : so teaches the Arch-Deacon in chap. of Indulg . and cytes some few others of his iudgement . Syluest . in summa verb. Indulg . But all other Diuines hold contrary ( vpon 4. dist . 20 ) and Sotus d. 21. and the Canonists , with Nauarrus in his Tract of the Iubily . Bellarm. l. 1. c. 6. p. 39. Ninthly , Caietane and Richardus against Saint Thomas and Bellarmine . CAietane holdes , that the Pope by his Confessor ( not by himselfe ) may giue pardon to himselfe : and so Richardus ( vpon 4. dist . 20. ) But it may be better answered , that the Pope may indirectly be partaker of a pardon graunted by himselfe , or his Predecessor , without the helpe of a confessor , if he do those things which are required of others , for the obtayning of pardon , as Saint Thomas vpon 4. Dist. 20. q. 1. Bellarm. l. 1. c. 6. p. 40. Tenthly , Petrus Paludanus against the common opinion . PEtrus Paludanus ( vpon 4. dist . 20. ) seemes to holde , that the faultines of veniall sinnes , though not of mortall , is taken away by pardons : but the common opinion of others is more probable , that nothing is taken away , but the guilt of temporall punishments , which remaines after the fault is discharged . Bellarm. l. 1. c. 7. p. 41. DECAD . VIII . First , Saint Thomas and others against some of the auncient Diuines . THat Pardons deliuer a man from punishment , not onely before the Church , but before God , was cenyed by some of the auncient Diuines , whose opinion is related and confuted by S. Thomas vpon 4. dist . 20. and others : and now at this day is denied by Luther and Caluin . Bellarm. l. 1. c. 7. p. 43. Secondly , Thomas Elysius against Caietane , Dominicus a Soto , Ledesmius , &c. WHen in the form of the pardon it is said , that there is graunted remission of the penance inioyned , it is not to be vnderstood of that penance , which the Priest inioynes in the Sacrament of confession : against some that hold , all penance to bee meant vnder the name of penance inioyned , as Thomas Elysius ( in Clipeo Cathol . q. 44. art . 7. ) But almost all learned men teach the Contrary , as Card Caietan , Dominicus a Soto , Ledesmius , Nauarrus , Cordubensis , Syluester , Gabriel , &c. Bellarm. l. 1. c. 7. p. 46. Thirdly , Alex. Alensis , Durand . Paludan . Adrian Pope , Petr. a Soto , &c. against S. Thomas , Maior , Syluester , Dominicus a Soto &c. VVHen a Pardon is absolutely graunted without mention of penaunce inioyned , it is to be vnderstood , that all penances are pardoned in it : whether already inioyned , or that might be inioyned . This proposition is against very graue Authors , Alex. Alensis , in Sum. p. 4. q. 23. Durandus , Paludanus , Adrian the 6. pope : Petrus a Soto , Card. Caietane , who hold , that pardons are neuer giuen but for inioyned penances : But our opinion hath neyther fewer nor lesse worthie patrones , S. Thomas vpon 4. dist . 20. Io. Maior , Syluester , Dominicus a Soto , Michael , Medina , Ledesmius , Anthon. Cordubensis , Nauarrus , Panormitan , Io. Andreas , and Caietane confesses this the common opinion . Bellarm. l. 1. cap. 7. p. 47. Fourthly , Bellarm. against Caietane , and Dom. a Soto &c. THose definitions which Caietane and Domin . a Soto haue made of pardons : see reiected by Bellar. l. 1. cap. 8. pag. 52. Fiftly , Dom. a Soto against Palud . Adrian , Nauar. &c. HEre it is in controuersie : Whether the pardon of so many dayes and yeares in this life , answere to so many in purgatorie : for Dominicus a Soto holds , that one day spent in purgatorie , takes more of the guilt of punishment due to our sinnes , then many yeares in this life , spent in the sharpest penance . But the common opinion holds the contrary , as it is to be seene in Paludanus , Adrian , Nauarrus , Cordubensis and others . Bellarm. l. 1. c. 9. p. 54. Sixtly , Bellarm. against Gerson , and Dominicus a Soto . THere haue beene some of our Writers , which haue held , that all those pardons which containe the release of many thousand yeares penance , were not giuen by any popes , but onely feined by their pardoners for commodity : So hold Iohn Gerson in his Tract , of Absolut . Sacram. and Dominic . a Soto vppon 4. d. 21. The contrary is maintained by Bellarm. l. 1. cap. 9. pag. 56. Seuenthly , Popish Doctors disagreeing . WHether hee that receiues a pardon in the point of death , as is supposed , after recouering , may receiue it againe , when he comes to the point of death , our Doctors disagree . See Nauar. de Iubil . notab . 30. nu . 3. and Cordubensis q. 39. &c. Bellarm . l. 1. c. 9. p. 57. Eightly ; Anthonius against Nauarrus and Cordubensis . IF a man vpon the hope of a Iubile to come , shall willingly and purposely fall into a sinne reserued ; the doubt is , whether he may be absolued from that sinne : some say he cannot , as Anthonius 1. p. Tit. 10. c. 3 but others thinke the contrary , Nauar. in Tract . de Iubil . and Cordubensis , q. 37. de Indulg . Bellarm. l. 1. cap. 10. pag. 60. Ninthly , Bellarmine and other namelesse against Felinus , Dominicus a Soto , Nauar. Cordub . &c. WHether a generall Councell may grantfull pardons , is questioned : for Felinus , Dominic ▪ a Soto , Nauar ▪ Cordubensis , affirme it &c. And though I haue not read any that expresly denies , that a generall Councell can doe it , yet all those Authors seeme to hold thus , which write , that this Authority belongs to the Pope alone , and I thinke this latter opinion is most true . Bellarm. l. 1. c. 11. p. 62. Tenthly , two sorts of Popish Doctors opposite . VPon what law Bishops may giue pardons , it is questioned , for some hold , that they may doe it by Gods law , others denie it . Bellarm. l. 1. c. 11. DECAD . IX . First , Angelus , Bartholm . Fumus , Innocentius , Panormitan against the common opinion , and Canon law . ANgelus ( in summa ) and Bartholomaeus Fumus hold , that all Parish-priests , or what Priests soeuer may heare confessions , may also in that Sacrament of confession graunt pardons : and they bring for them Innocentius , in Com. cap. cum ex eo : and Panormitane and others . But the common opinion teacheth the contrary , that no priests ( vnder a Bishop ) may giue pardons , vnlesse by commission from the Pope or Bishop : and there is an expresse text in the law for it . Chap. Accedentibus , de excess . praelatorum . Bellar. l. 1. c. 11. pag. 64. Secondly , Thomas , Durandus , Paludanus , Anthonius Turrecrem . Syluester , &c. against Bonauenture , Adrian , Caietane , Maior , &c. FOr the cause of a pardon-giuing , some hold , there neede not be any proportion ; but that it is enough , that the cause be honest and holy : that is , that pardon be not graunted vpon an euill worke inioyned , or a worke meerely temporall and vaine , &c. But such a one as pertaines to Gods glory , and the profite of the Church . Thus hold St. Thomas , Durandus , Paludanus , S. Anthonius , Io. de Turrecremata , Syluester , Io. Tabiensis , and our Gregorie de Valentia . Others hold , that to make the cause iust , is required some worke , that may be proportionable to the pardon . So teach of the olde Schoolemen , Saint Bonauenture , Richardus ; Aug. de Ancona , Io. Gerson , Gabriel , and of the later , in our age , Pope Adrian , Card. Caietane , Mai●r , Ledesmius , Dominicus a Soto , Petrus a Soto , Nauarrus , Cordubensis , to which adde Innocentius and Felinus . Bellarm. l. 1. c. 12. p. 68. Thirdly , Bellarm. against Io. Gerson , Dominicus a Soto , Vega , &c. AS it is not to be allowed , that some vpon a good zeale , but perhaps ouer-hote , haue spoken with some reproach of pardons graunted vpon sleight causes , as Io. Gerson , Dominic . a Soto , Andreas Vega , &c : So Clement 8. is iustly to be praised , which hath receiued and vrged the Decree of the Lateran Councell , of moderating indiscreet pardons , &c. Bellarm. l. 1. cap. 12. pag. 71. Fourthly , Caietane , Petrus a Soto &c. against Paludanus , Anthonius , Cordubensis , &c. FIrst it is questioned , whether the state of grace be required in a man at that time , when the pardon is receiued , or rather when the workes inioyned are done , or when the pardon is first pronounced , or the letters there of deliuered . For Caietane , Petrus a Soto , and others hold , that the state of grace is then required , not onely when the pardon is receiued , but when the worke inioyned is performed , not when it is published , &c. Other very graue Authors , as Petr. Paludanus , S. Anthonius , Anthon. Cordubensis , and others hold contrary . Bellarm. l. 1. cap. 13. pag. 75. Fiftly , some namelesse Doctors against Anthonius Adrian , Caietane , &c. IT is thirdly questioned , whether confession ( which commonly is one part of the worke inioyned ) be required in deed , or purpose onely . The answere is , That if the forme of the Pardon do flatly set down , confession to be made within so many dayes , then it is to be required in deede , and actually , else not : yea though a man haue mortall sinnes ; it is probable , that contrition alone with a purpose of confessing , will serue the turne ; so hold Paludanus , Syluester , Panormitanus , Felinus . But yet it is more safe and probable , that confession is actually required , and not in purpose onely : when a pardon is graunted vnder the tearmes of rightly penitent and confessed , as teach Saint Anthonius , Adrian , Caietane , Nauarrus and the Glosse . Bellarm. lib. 1. Indulg . cap. 13. pag. 77. Sixtly , Caietane and Barthol . Fumus against all other Diuines . CArd . Caietane teaches , that besides fulfilling of the workes inioyned , he that would receiue pardon , must haue a purpose to satisfie God , by his owne workes , as much as he may : which opinion of his is profitable and godly , but perhaps not true : since it is contrary to the doctrine of others . Neyther did I euer read any that followed Caietane in it , but Bartholm . Fumus in Summa . Bellarm. lib. 1. cap. 13. pag. 78. Seuenthly , Ostiensis and Gabriel against the common opinion . NOt onely the heretickes , but also amongst the Catholikes Ostiensis ( in summa . l. 5. Tit. de remiss . ) and Gabriel ( lect . 57. in Can. miss . ) haue taught , that pardons doe no whit profite the dead . But it is a most certaine thing , and vndoubted among all Catholiks , that by pardons the soules in purgatorie may be helped . Bellar. l. 1. c. 14. p. 80.81 . Eightly , Michael Medina against Bonauenture , Richard. Gabriel , Maior , &c. IT is questioned how pardons may helpe the dead : For Michael Medina , dis . 7. c. 34. holdes , that the soules of the deceased belong to the iurisdiction of the Pope , and that they may receiue pardon from him , by way of absolution . But almost all writers hold the contrary , as St. Bonauenture , Richardus , Gabriel , Io. Maior , Caietane , Dominicus a Soto , Petrus a Soto , Nauarrus , &c. Cordubensis . Bellarm. lib. 1. cap. 14. pag. 82. Ninthly , three different opinions of Papists . HOw pardons doe helpe the dead , by way of suffrage : see controuerted in three opinions , and two of them confuted by Bellarm. l. 1. cap. 14. p. 85. Tenthly , Dominicus a Soto , and Nauarrus against Caietane , Petrus a Soto , Cordubensis . THe hardest question of all is , whether pardons doe helpe the dead , vpon any iustice and worthines , or onely vpon meere fauor of God , and congruity : some hold it is in iustice and condignity , as Dominicus a Soto vpon 4. d. 21 Nauarrus de Iubil . not . 22. Others hold it meerely vpon the mercy , and bounty of God , and therfore only of congruity . So Caietane , Petrus a Soto , Cordubensis . Bellarm. l. 1. cap. 14. pag. 86.87 . DECAD . X. First , Bellarmine against Caietane . CAietane holds , that he that would be helpt in Purgatorie by suffrages , must haue beene not onely in the state of grace , but deuoted to the keyes of the Church , and studious , and carefull to helpe others , while hee was aliue by his suffrages . But this opinion of Caietane , though it be profitable and godly , yet it is not true , and confuted by euery one . Bellarmine , l. 1. cap. 14. pag. 90. Secondly , Bellarmine against Praepositinus . THe opinion of one Praepositinus , of the common helpe which suffrages giue to the deceased : See confuted by Bellarm. l. 1. c. 14. pag. 90. Thirdly , Bellarmine with S. Thomas against himselfe , and Durandus . WHereas Bellarmine in his 4. booke de Christo , chap. 16. had said : It is probable , that Christs soule went downe to all the places of hell : and had confuted S. Thomas his answere of his descending in effect and vertue : for so ( saith he ) we might with Durandus say , that Christ did descend to no place otherwise then in effect : Now vpon better consideration he saith , he holds Thomas his opinion , and some other Schoolemen rather to be followed . Bellarm. Recognitions , pag. 11. Fourthly , Bellarmine against himselfe and Pighius . I Approue not , that I said with Albertus Pighius , that Saint Paul appealed to Caesar as to his lawfull prince : The first answere therefore is to be stood in , that S. Paul appealed to him de Facto not de Iure , as the supreame Iudge of Iudea , not as his superior . Bellarm. Recognition , pag. 17. Fiftly , Bellarmine against some not named . WHereas we said , that the opinion of those which teach , that infallibility of iudgment is not in the pope , but in the generall Councell , is not altogether hereticall , but erroneous and neare to heresie : Now it seemes to vs so erroneous , that it may iustly by the Churches iudgement be condemned as hereticall . Bellarm. Recognition , pag. 19. Sixtly , Durand . against S. Thomas and Bellarm. I Doe not like that I said , Infidell princes cannot by the Church be depriued of the Dominion , they haue ouer the faithfull , except they goe about to turne their subiects from the faith of Christ : for though Durandus , whom I followed ( vpon 2. Sent. dist . 44 , q. 3 , ) doe probably dispute this against Saint Thomas , yet the authority of Saint Thomas ought iustly rather to preuaile . Bellarm. recognition , p. 44. Seuenthly , St. Thomas , Dominicus a Soto , Nauar. opposed by some new Writers . I Wrote , that ciuill power in Kings and Princes is not immediately from God , but mediately from the councell and consent of men : And because this is the common opinion , I did not striue to proue it : But now since of late some haue written , that the ciuill power of Kings is no lesse immediately from God then the power of the pope : I hold it necessary to adde somewhat of this point : and first I bring forth the author of this opinion , Saint Thomas 2.2 . q. 10. art . 10. Dominicus a Soto , of the Canonists Nauarrus , &c. Bellarm. recognition , p. 57. Eightly , Suarez against Bellarmine . HOw Franciscus Suarez reprehends Bellarmine concerning Rupertus his errour of Impanation , See Bellarmine recognition p. 80. Ninthly , some namelesse Papists against Bellarmine . THE exceptions taken by Catholikes against Bellarmine , for saying that the conuersion of the bread is adductiue not productiue , and his defence , See Recognition , pag. 81. Tenthly , Fr. Suarez against Bellarmine and Iohn of Louan . FRanciscus Suarez , disp . 41. de Euchar ▪ reprooues Bellarmine and Io. of Louan for teaching that Christ gaue the Sacrament in the forme of bread , in the time of his legall supper , and the wine when Supper was ended , after many other businesses and actions : How Bellarmine cleares himselfe , See Recognition pag. 84. First , Bellarmine against Gropperus . I Cyted the Enchiridion of Iohn Gropperus which he is said to haue written vnder the name of the Councell of Colen : but though Gropperus himselfe were a Catholicke , yet in that booke there are no small errours , as we haue shewed : and therefore it is not without cause put into the number of bookes prohibited . An. Dom. 1596. Bellarm. Recognition pag. 87. Secondly , Bellarmine against Abulensis , Adrian , Caietane , &c. WE said , that many Authors held , that sufficient helpe is not giuen at all times to rise from sinne , but onely in respect of time and place : as Abulensis , Adrianus , Caietan . But we are to note , that these Authors doe not onely say that which we say , but somewhat also which we say not : That vnto some men for the greatnesse or multitude of their sinnes , God in his certaine Decree denies helpe in the rest of their life . So Abulensis quaest . 12. vpon 4. Exod. Adrian quaest . 3. de paenitentia . Caietanus Ientaculo . 8. q. 1. which three Doctors seeme to be borne out by three holy Fathers : Saint Anselme in Comment . vpon 12. Matt. Saint Isidor . lib. 2. de summo bono . Saint Austen . For me , as I dare not reproue so great Authors , so I hold it an holy course , thus to thinke of God in his goodnesse , that there is no men , which while they liue , are not in time and place visited by the regard of his diuine grace . Bellar. Recognit . p. 105. Thirdly , Popish Doctors disagreeing . BEcause while I writ this , there is great controuersie amongst our writers about the Kingdome of Christ , I thought good to explaine my selfe further : I hold therefore that heede is to be taken of godly men , least they so vphold Christs temporall Kingdome , that they denie his pouertie . That his Kingdome therefore was not temporall but spirituall , besides the auncient , is well taught by two accurate Interpreters , Cornelius Iansenius , and Adamus Sasbout , &c. Bellarm. Recognit . pag. 25. THE PEACE OF ROME . THE FOVRTH BOOKE CONTAINING ABOVE THREE-SCORE different opinions of Papists , in that one point of Confession , all ( sauing 5. or 6. of the last ) confessed by Nauarrus . DECAD . I. 1. The Glosse and Gratian against Nauarre and the common opinion . THough the Glosse ( 1. and 2. in cap. Lachrymae ) and Gratian ( de paen . dist . 1. ) hold a● man excluded from Confession , by his contrition ; so as being once throughly contrite , he is not of necessity in due time to confesse , which they proue by diuers Authorities from the Canon law , and from Saint Crysostome , and Saint Austen : yet we must with a sure faith hold , and defend , that although by the contrition of the heart alone , without actuall confession , our sinnes are remitted , yet that he to whom they are pardoned , is bound in due time ( if opportunity can be had ) to confesse them , Nauarrus in his Commentaries vppon the seuen distinctions of penance , abridged by Gregorie Sayrus chap. 4. of his Summa Sacram. paenitentiae , printed at Venice with Priuiledge . An. 1601. p. 6. 2. Nauarre against some namelesse . THat Sacramentall confession was not instituted in Paradise , nor brought in by the law of nature , see defended against some of their namelesse Writers by Nauar. Sum. paenit . cap. 5. pag. 11. 3. The same Author against other Catholikes . THat confession was not instituted by any meere man , or any humane law , but onely by Christ himselfe , and that it was not instituted by Iosuah to Achan , against the error of some namelesse Catholikes , is maintained by Nauar. Sum. paenit . c. 5. p. 11. 4. Some namelesse Catholikes confuted by Nauar. THe errours of those , which held the Sacrament of Penance was instituted by Saint Iames. chap. 5. see also confuted . Sum. Paenit . cap. 5. 5. The Glosse , Panormitan , Decius , against Durandus , Maior , Nauarre . FVrther it follows necessarily that the Glosse ( Summa de paen . dist . 5. ) erreth , which teacheth , that the full confession of sinnes was not instituted by any authority of the olde or new Testament , but onely by the Tradition of the vniuersall Church : which opinion is followed by Panormitan and Decius , but is confuted by all , but especially by Durandus and Maior . Sum. paen . cap. 5. pag. 12. 6. Nauar. against Caietane . IT is further implyed that Caietane erred , who vpon Iohn 20. teaches , that Sacramentall confession was instituted by Christ , but not commaunded . Sum. paenit . cap. 5. pag. 12. 7. Sixtus the fourth , and others against Petrus ab Osma . IT is yet inferred further , that Petrus ab Osma erred , who in the time of Sixtus the fourth , at Salmantica , & other places of Spain taught , that Sacramentall confession began by humane institution , and the Tradition of the Church : and that mortal sinnes both for their fault and punishment in another world , might be done away without confession , by the onely contrition of the heart , &c. Al which were condemned by Sixtus 4. Sum. paenit . cap. 5. pag. 12.1 . 8. Nauarre against the Canon . THe Canon is deceiued , which ( in Relect. de Sacram , ) teaches , that penance and outward confession was necessary to saluation , not onely vnder the time of the Gospell , but of the law also , and vnder the time of nature , in act , if it might be had , or in desire and purpose , if it might not . Sum. paen . cap. 5. 9. Nauar. and Scotus , &c. against the Glosse . THe Glosse erreth ( Sum. de paen . dist . 5. ) that saith , that Sacramentall confession was not in vse in the Greeke Church , as is largely taught by Scotus 4. d. 17. and the Councell of Colen . Fol. 151. Sum. paenit . cap , 5. pag. 12.2 . 10. Nauar. against Caietane . A Man is bound to contrition and confession , so oft as any action is to be done , which requires contrition and confession to go before it , such as the Sacrament of the Eucharist . Howsoeuer Caietane teach the contrary in Sum. verb. communio , and vpon 1. Cor. 11 who holds , that he sinnes not deadly which communicates vpon contrition had , before he confesse himselfe , though he haue opportunity of confession , which opinion is condemned by the Tridentine Councell . Sum. paenit . c. 6. p. 15.1 . DECAD . II. 11. Nauar. against Paludanus , &c. NAuar holdes , there is no precept that tyes vs vpon paine of sinne , to confesse before any Sacrament , saue the Eucharist . Paludanus in 4. d. 7. q. 2. saith , that to the Sacrament of confirmation , of Orders , of extreame vnction , an actuall confession of our sinnes is necessary . Sum. paenit . cap. 6. fol. 15.2 . 12. Paludanus and Anthoninus against Thomas and Nauarre . HOw oft we commit one and the same sinne , is ill put by Paludanus and Saint Anthoninus among the circumstances to be confessed : for the second sinne is not the circumstance of the first ; whereupon neither Aristotle nor Saint Thomas number ( this Quoties ) among the Circumstances . Sum. paenit . cap. 7. fol. 16.2 . 13. Io. Maior against Thomas , Paludanus , Gabriel , Anthoninus , Adrian , Caietane , Prierias , WEe are not bound to confesse those circumstances , which doe aggrauate the fault , but change it not into another kinde of sinne , as the common opinion teacheth , Saint Thomas , Paludanus , Gabriel , St. Anthoninus , Adrian , Caietan , Prierias . The contrary opinion ( which is defended by Io. Maior 4. d. q. 3. ) makes the conscience full of scruples and feare . Sum. paenit . cap. 8. fol. 18.1 . 14. Thomas , Scotus , Maior differing . IT is hard to know , what circumstances changes the action from one kinde into another : whereof are three diuers opinions : One of Saint Thomas 4. d. 16. q. 3. The other of Scotus : The third of Io. Maior in 4. dist . 17. q. 4. Sum. paenit . cap. 8. fol. 20.2 . 15. Alensis against Nauar : Nauar against Lyra , Maior , Anthoninus , Adrian . THe circumstance of time is not necessary to be confessed ; as that we haue sinned vpon an Holy-day : whence Alensis is deceiued , which holds , that a mortal sinne vpon an Holy-day is double in respect of the guilt , though single in respect of the act : and Lyra Exod. 20. and Maior 4. d. 17. q. 4. and Anthon. 3. p. art . 17. and Adrian vpon 4. de confess . q. 4. are deceiued , which teach , that in that precept of the Decalogue , onely mortall sinne is fobidden . Sum. paenit . c. 9. f. 24.1 . 16. Adrian , Maior , Syluester , &c. against other namelesse Diuines : and Nauar betwixt both . IT is doubted by our Doctors , whether he that sinnes mortally before other , and yet not with any purpose to giue occasion of sinning to others , be bound to confesse the circumstance of his scandall giuen : for Adrian in 4. de confess . q. 4. and Io. Maior 4. dist . 38. and Syluester , say he must confesse it : Others denie it . Nauarre determines betwixt both . Sum. paenit . cap. 9. fol. 26.2 . 17. Nauarre against Adrian . IT is a great difficulty among our Doctors , whether he that doth any thing that he thinkes he should not do , or with any thing which he doubts whether it be a mortal sin or no , be bound to confesse not only that he hath sinned , but that he hath sinned wittingly , or against his conscience . Adrianus in 4. de confess . quaest . 4. holds , that circumstance must be confessed , &c. But for all that , it is not necessarily to be confessed . Sum. paenit . cap. 10. fol. 27.2 . 18. Maior against Thomas . SAint Thomas 4. dist . 17. q. 3. holds , that confession is sometimes to be made by an Interpreter : Io. Maior vpon the same place denies it . Sum. paenit . cap 12. fol. 36.1 . 19. Paludanus and Adrian against the common opinion . NO confession or absolution can be giuen or taken by a proxie , or messenger , nor by writing : for all Sacraments ( except Matrimony ) require our owne person , and cannot be done by Deputies : But Paludanus in 4. dist . 17. q. 2. and Adrian in 4. de confess . q. 1. hold such confessions and absolutions as are done by writing to be of force . Sum. paenit . cap. 12. fol. 37.1 . 20. Paludanus , Anthoninus , Thomas opposed by other Doctors and Nauarre . ALl Writers confesse a lye to be euer a sinne , but especially in confession : but they agree not what kind of sinne it is , for Paludanus vpon 4. d. 21. q. 2. saith , it is a mortall sinne to lie in confession : and Saint Anthoninus p. 3. Tit. 13. c. 18. and Saint Thomas 2 , 2. q. 69. art . 1. to the same purpose . Others more truely teach , it is not alwaies a mortall sinne to lye in confession . Sum. paenit . cap. 13 fol. 38.2 . DECAD . III. 21. Scotus , Paludanus , Gabriel , Maior , Caietane , Concil . Florent . Io. Scotus disagreeing . THis matter concerning the examination of the conscience , is very doubtfull , and controuersiall amongst our Authours : for Scotus ( in 4. dist . 17. q. 1. ) and Paludanus ( ibid. q. 2. art . 1. ) holdes , that such diligence is to be required in this businesse , as the penitent would vse for the remembring of any other difficult matter . But Gabriel ( vpon the said dist . q. 1. ) saith , that a man ought onely to confesse all that he can well remember . But Io. Maior ( ibid. q. 3. ) will haue a man take such paines to find out and remember all his sinnes , as a Scholler would doe , to get a Latin Oration by heart , which he should vtter amongst learned hearers . Caietane ( in verbo confess . ) holdes , he that beleeues , he hath made sufficient inquisition for his sinne , though he haue not done so , hath discharged himselfe , and neede not reiterate his confession . The Councell of Florence , onely teaches vs to confesse what sinnes are in our memorie , and speakes nothing of any diligence to recall them . Io. Scotus is too rigorous , &c. Sum. paenit . c. 15. fol. 43.2 . 22. Gabriels Maior , Syluester , Thomas , Paludan against Innocentius , Hostiensis and the truer opinion . St. Tho. ( in 4. d. 16 ) & Palud ( in 4. d. 21. q. 3 ) wil haue the third person reuealed in confession : as Palud . instanceth , that a woman committing incest with her brother , ought to confesse this , although her brother be knowne to the Confessor : which opinion is followed by Gabriel ( ibid. q. 1. ) and Maior ( qu. 3. ) Arg. 80. and Syluester verb. confess .. 1. q. 24. yet the truer opinion holdes , that the person and his sinne is to be concealed : so teaches Innnocent . in cap. Omnis . Hostiensis ibid. col . 4. yea herein Io. Maior is contrary to himselfe . Sum. paenit . cap. 16. fol. 48.1 . 23. Nauar against Io Maior . AS for cases reserued , although an Inferiour confessor cannot absolue the penitent , yet the penitent is bound to confesse all his mortall sinnes to his owne Parish-priest , whether reserued or other . The contrary is held by Io. Maior ( in 4. d. 15. q. 5. ) Sum. paenit . cap. 16. fol. 49.1 . 24. Nauar against Adrianus . FRom whence it is plaine , that Adrianus is deceiued , who vpon 4. q. 4. of confess . col . 9. teaches , that the absolution which is giuen by him which receiues onely the confession of sinnes reserued , is not Sacramentall . Sum. paenit . cap. 16. fol. 50.2 . 25. Popish Doctors diuided . TO heale , or aduise him that hath none but mortall sinnes lawfully confessed , or veniall sinnes , the Confessor hath no neede of any knowledge or prudence , but onely skill to pronounce the verie wordes of the Sacrament : Because there is neyther contrition necessarily required , nor confession indeede necessarily to be made , as it is the opinion of almost all our Doctors , in cap. Omnis de paenit . and Saint Thomas 3. part . quaest . 87. art . 1. Sum. paenit . cap. 17. fol. 54.2 . 26. Vrbanus and the Glosse and Paludanus against Innocentius : and Hostiensis and Panormitan betwixt both . THere is no smal difference amongst our doctors , whether in case our owne Confessor be ignorant , it be sufficient to aske him leaue to chuse another , though he graunt it not . Vrbanus 2. in d. c. placuit . and the Glosse 3. in d. 3. flatly say , that in case of ignorance the consent of our parish-priest is not necessary : and of the same opinion is Palud . in 4. d 16. q 3. and dist . 17. q. 3. But afterward Innocent . 3. ( in cap. Omnis ) Decreed , it should not be lawfull to confesse to another , without the leaue of our owne . So Hostiensis and Panormitan ( in d. cap. Omnis ) and Adrian ( 4. de confess . ) hold , that it is necessary , leaue should be asked of our owne , though not obtained , &c. Sum. paenit . cap. 18. fol. 55.2 . 27. Paludanus , Anthoninus , against Nauar , and against Raymundus , Hostiensis , Godofr . IN case a Parishioner remooue his dwelling from one Towne to another , or Winter one where , and Summer another : it is questioned to whom his confession is to be made . Paludanus in 4. d. 17. q. 3. and St. Anthoninus par . 3. Tit. 17. cap. 9. hold , that his confession is to bee made to him , in whose Parish hee dwels when he is shriuen . But it is the truer opinion , that in such case he may confesse to eyther . Sum. paenit . cap. 18. Hostiensis , Raymundus , Godofredus hold , that he must confesse to his owne former Priest : but they are deceiued . fol. 57.1 . 28. Hostiensis and Paludanus and Anthon. against the Glosse and Panormitan . A Parishioner sinning in the Parish of another ( saith Hostien . ) is to confesse to him in whose parish he sinned , not to his owne priest : and the same opinion is held by Paludan . and Anthoninus , but falsly , as the Glosse in cap. placuit . 6. q. 3. and Panormitan in cap. Cum contingit . num . 26. &c. Sum. paen . c. 18. fol. 38.1 . 29. Paludanus against Hostiensis . THat the Sacrament which from the beginning was none , cannot by any after-allowance become good and auaileable , see disputed by Paludanus in 4. d. 17. q. 3. against Hostiensis . Sum. paenit . cap. 18. fol. 58.2 . 30. Bonauenture , Richardus , Panormitan , Hostiensis , Paludanus , Nauarrus disagreeing . WHo should be accounted our owne Priest in this businesse of confession , there are manie disagreeing opinions : Saint Bonauenture ( in 4. d. 17. art . 5. ) and Scotus , and Richardus ( ibid. art . 2. q. 1. ) bring three acceptions of this title : Panormitan and others in d. cap. Omnis , and Hostiensis in sum . de paenit . parag●cui confit . and Cardin. in Clem. dudum de sepult . and Paludanus ( in 4. d. 17. q. 3. ) say , that there are more then three to be taken for our owne Priest , and Nauarrus in that place reckens vp eleuen . Sum. paenit . c. 19. fol. 59.2 . DECAD . IIII. 31. The opinion of Doctors , Panormitan , Andr. Sicul. Paludanus , Angelus , Syluester , Gabriel , &c. against the Glosse . HOwsoeuer the Glosse require , that he which is chosen for our Confessor should haue charge of soules , eyther ordinarily , or by Commission ; yet the truer opinion of Doctors teacheth that whosoeuer hath leaue to choose , may take what Confessor he lists , whether he haue charge of soules or not : so teach Panormitan ( in Clem. 1. de Offic . deleg ) and Andr. Sicul. Paludanus ( in 4. d. 17. qu. 4. ) Angelus ( verbo confess . 3. Sec. 4. ) Syluester ( verb. Confessor ) Gabriel ( in 4. dist . 18. ) Adrianus ( in 4. de confess . dub . 1. ) Sum. paenit . cap. 20. fol. 62.1 . 32. Clement the 8. Anthoninus , and the common opinion of Doctors against the Glosse , Io. Andreas , and Panormitan . SOme haue held , that though the Pope , or our own Bishoppe should giue vs leaue to chuse our Confessor , yet we might not doe it without the consent of our owne parish-priest : So Glossa 6. and Io. Andreas , and Panormitanus in part . ( vpon cap. Omnis vtriusque ) But the truer and commoner opinion of Doctors is contrary , and Saint Anthoninus in 3. par . Tit. 17. cap. 9. sayes , that this opinion of the Glosse , Andreas , and Panormitan was condemned by Clement 4. Sum. paenit . cap. 21. 33. Nauarre against Paludanus and Anthoninus . THey are deceiued , which hold , that the Bishoppe giuing any manlibertie of pilgrimage , giues him liberty also to be absolued by that Confessor he chuseth , from cases reserued : yet so held Palud . in 4. dist . 17. q. 4. and Saint Anthoninus 3. p. Tit. 17. Sum. paenit . cap. 21. fol. 67 1. 34. Richardus and Syluester against the common opinion . SOme hold that a parish-priest is bound onely vpon necessity to heare confessions onely at those times , when the parishioner is bound to be shriuen : So teach Richardus ( vpon 4. d. 18. art . 2. ) and Syluester ( verbo Confessor 1. qu. 1. ) that is , once a yeare . But those teach truer , which hold him bound to take the shrift of his people , as oft as any of them will confesse . Sum. paenit . cap. 23. fol. 70.1 . 35. Io. Maior , Adrian , Caietane , against Richardus and Syluester . SOme hold , that so oft as a man thinkes he cannot remember , what mortal sinne he hath committed till Lent , so oft he is bound to confesse it before , as Io. Maior in 4. d. 17. q. 2. Adrianus in 4. De confess . dub . 8. Caietane verbo confess . against Richardus and Syluester vbi supra . Summa paenitentiae cap. 23. fol. 71.1 . 36. Felinus against Paludanus and all Diuines &c. IF a penitent on his death-bedde confesse himselfe to a Lay man , though that Lay-man cannot absolue him yet he is bound to conceale his secrets by the seale of confession , sayth Paludanus and all Diuines vpon 4. dist . 21. The contrary is taught by Felinus ( in c. pastoralis . praeterea . ) Sum. paenit . cap. 24. & cap. 29. fol. 73.1 . 37. Paludanus , Adrianus , Thomas , Nauarre against the Glosse and the Arch-deacon . THE Glosse teaches ( 1. A. in cap. placuit . de paenit . dist . 4. ) that men may be tyed to confesse ouer againe those sinnes , which they haue once lawfully confessed : of which opinion also is the Archdea . ( ibid. in verb. & consulo . ) But they hold truer , which teach , that no humane law can binde a man so to do , without his owne consent , as Gerson ( in Lect. 2. vpon Marc. ) Paludanus ( in 4. dist . 17. quaest . 5. ) Adrianus ( in 4. de confess . q. 5. ) S. Thomas ( quodlib . 1. ar . 12. ) Sum. paen . 25 fol. 74.1 . 38. Io. 22. against Io. Poliacus . THe three hereticall opinions of Iohannes Poliacus concerning confession , were confuted by pope Iohn 22. in Extrauag . vas Elect. Sum. paenit . c. 25. f. 74.1 . 39. Io. Maior against the common opinion and Nauar. IO. Maior ( in 4. d. 17. q. 6. ) in defence of the Glosse holdes , this second confession of the same sinnes requisite for religious persons , but he dares not affirme it fit for all the people . Nauar. Sum. paen . cap. 25. fol. 74. 40. Caietane opposed by Nauarre and others . COncerning the questions to be moued by the Confessor to the penitent before his shrift , see the disagreement betwixt Caietane and Nauar. Sum. paen . c. 26. fol. 78.2 . DECAD . V. 41. Nauarre against Caietane . COncerning the sufficiency of knowledge required in a Confessor : See the difference betwixt Caietane and others on the one side , which holde it enough in some cases if he know the forme of absolution : and Nauar on the other , who requires somewhat more . Sum. paenit . cap. 28. fol. 88.1.2 . 42. Some namelesse Doctors against the rest . SOme hold , that vnder the seale of Confession wee are bound onely to conceale the very sinne so confessed : But the common opinion of Doctors is , that not onely mortall and veniall sinnes , but all circumstances ( which might bring the sin vnto knowledge ) must be also concealed . Sum. paenit . cap. 29. fol. 89.1 . 43. Nauarre against Panormitan and Caietane . COncerning particular cases , how farre we may goe in the reuelation of thinges confessed : See the disagreement of Caietane and Panormitan with P. Nauarrus . Summa Paenitentiae cap. 30. 44. Scotus , Bonauenture , Durand . &c. against Archidiac . both Cardinals , and the Canon &c. THat the Penitent may giue leaue vnto his Confessor to reueale somewhat of his confession , only when it may tend to his owne spirituall good , is held by Scotus in 4. dist . 21. Bonauenture and Durandus , Richardus and Angelus verb. confess . But it is truer that he may giue his Confessor leaue to reueale it for his owne temporall good , or others , as is plaine in cap. Domino Sancto d. 50. and Archidiaconus Dominic . and both Cardinals in cap. ( ipsi Apostoli ) Turrecremata his shift in this case , see confuted by Nauar. Sum. paen . cap. 32. fol. 95.96 . 45. Alexander , Ostiensis , Io. Andreas , Panormitan , Petr. ab Anchor &c. against Thomas , Scotus , Paludan , Bonauenture , Hostiensis , Caietan . SOme holde , in two cases confession should be reuealed : first , in a case of heresie , which opinion the Doctors ( vpon 4. d. 21. ) and Adrianus ( in 4. de confess . post . 5. ) and Caietane ( Tom. 1. opusc . tract . 21. ) haue reiected , and haue condemned that old Latine verse , which maintaines it as pestilent . The second , when a notorious crime to be committed , is confessed , as the burning of the City , &c. and the partie confessing will not relent from his ill purpose : In such a case it is held by some that the confession may be reuealed : So teach Alexander in 4. par . qu. 78. mem . 2. Ostiensis , Io. Andreas , Panormitan , Petrus , ab Anchorano , Decius , Angelus , Syluester , which Authours grieuously erred in this matter &c. All other therefore , as Saint Thomas , Scotus , Paludanus , Bonauenture in 4. dist . 21. and Hostiensis himselfe , in Summa . paenit . paragraph . in quo . Turrecremata in cap. Sacerdos . Caietane in Tom. 1. Opusc. Tract . 21. teach , it is vtterly vnlawfull to disclose it . Yea Caietane asked by another Cardinall , answereth , that a Confessor to whom is reuealed a Treasonable purpose , to kill the King or the pope , may not reueale it . Sum. paenit . cap. 32. fol. 98. and 99. 46. Richardus and Nauarre against Maior and Adrian . VVHether a Priest trauelling amongst Theeues into a wood , hearing by one of them now before hand relenting , that they meane to kill him in that wood , be bound to go on into the wood , and die rather then reueale that which was confessed , see disputed betwixt Io. Maior in 4. dist . 21. and Adrianus in 4. de confess . post . 5. on the one side , which holde , hee may returne and saue himselfe : and Richardus in 4. dist . 21. art . 4. on the other , who holdes , ( and Nauarre with him ) that he must rather goe into the Wood , and manifestly hazard his life . Sum. paenit . d. 32. fol. 99.2 . 47. Nauar against some namelesse . THat which some hold , that a Confessor must so behaue himselfe out of Confession toward the Penitent , as if he had neuer heard his confession , See confuted by Nauar. Sum. paenit . cap. 32. fol. 103.1 . 48. Nauarre against diuers Confessors . SIxe seuerall fashions of Absolution , vsed by the Confessors of his time , See confuted by Nauar. Sum. Paenit . cap. 33. fol. 105.106 . &c. 49. Nauarre against the common practise . THe imposition of hands vpon euery Penitent , is not necessary alwaies , nor fit to be vsed , yea somtime euill : See defended by Nauarre , As when the penitent is a woman , and perhaps sweetely beautiful , and delicately attired : according to Paludanus in 4. dist . 22. quaest . 3. Sum. paen . 33. fol. 107.1 . 50. Nauarre against Angelus . THat a Confessor may absolue his penitent from his sins , and after send him for absolution from his excommunication to his superiour , vnto whom that excommunication is reserued , is falsely taught by Angelus in ver . Confess . parag . 10. saith Nauarrus . Sum. paen . 34. fol. 112.1 . DECAD . VI. 51. Popish Doctors diuided . IN this difficult question our Doctors agree not : whether a Confessor may absolue a penitent which will not obey him ; because the penitent followes other Doctors , which hold the contrary opinion to the Confessor . Some hold , that penitent may not be absolued ; but their opinion is more probable , which hold he may . Sum. paen . 35. fol. 114. 52. Scotus and the Doctors of Paris against Thomas , Bonauenture , Richardus , Durandus &c. ALthough many Doctors thinke , that no sacramentall satisfaction done out of charity , auailes any thing to expiate the punishment for sinne , which we owe to God , because God accepts not his workes , that is infected with mortall sinne , and by consequent , is his enemy , for any satisfaction : as St. Thomas , Bonauent . Richard. Durand . vpon 4. d. 15.16 . Caietan Tom. 1. Opusc. Tract . 6. q. 1. Yet it is more truely held by Scotus ( in 4. d. 15. q. 1. ) and the Doctors of Paris in the same place , that he which is in mortall sin may satisfie for his temporall punishment , due to his sinne wip't off by contrition . Sum. Paenit . 37. fol. 120. 53. Nauarre against Caietane . CAietane holdes ( Tom. 1. Opusc. Tract . 6. ) that a sacramentall satisfaction takes not the like effect afterward , which it would haue had , if it had beene done in charity : But the contrary is truer , that such satisfaction by the addition of charity afterward , becomes as perfect as if it should haue beene done in it . Sum. paen . 37. fol. 120.2 . 54. Thomas , Paludanus , Maior . Almaine , Roffensis , Anthoninus , against Caietane and the truer opinion . IN this question so difficult and controuersall amongst our Authours , howsoeuer Saint Thomas , Paludanus , and others ( vpon 4. dist . 20. ) Maior ( in 4. dist . 17. ) Almaine ( in 4. dist . 18. ) Roffensis in his 5. Artic. against Luther and St. Anthoninus ( 3. p. Tit. 14. cap. 19. ) hold , that the Penitent is bound vpon commaund to accept the penance imposed , and hauing once accepted , to performe it : yet the truer opinion is , that the penitent is not bound by precept before he be absolued , to accept the penance inioyned by his Confessor ; But that it is free for him to accept or not accept it , and it is enough that he will eyther in this life , or in Purgatorie satisfie for his sinnes . So Caietane ( in summa verb. Satisfactio ) and Hostiensis ( in summa de paenit , & remiss . ) saith , that onely the Lords prayer is to be inioyned to the penitent , to be said for penance , rather then he should bee sent away not absolued Sum. paenit . cap. 38. fol. 121.1.2 . 55. Nauar against Richard. Anthoninus , Syluester , &c. RIchardus ( in 4. d. 17. art . 2. q. 8 ) Anthoninus ( 3. p. Tit. 14. cap. 19. ) and Syluest . ( verbo confessio ) are deceiued , which hold , that vpon meere omission of doing penance , confession is to be iterated . Sum. paen . cap. 38. fol. 124.2 . 56. Two contrary opinions of Popish Doctors . WHether we are bound to confesse veniall sins , two opinions are reported by Thomas . ( q. 6. art . 3. ) Franciscus de Victoria ( Sum. Sacram. de confessione art . 129. 57. Innocentius , Archidiac . Adrian . Palud . Bonauent . against Saint Thomas , Fr. Vict. and other Doctors . THat a man is bound presently vpon his sinne committed to confesse , is held by Innocentius ( cap. Omnis ) Archidiacon ( in cap. ille rex . ) But Saint Thomas and other Doctors hold the contrary , and Franciscus de victor . ibid. art . 133. who addes Adrianus , Paludan . and Bonauenture , set downe some cases wherin a man is bound presently to confesse : but I beleeue them not . Artic. 136. 58. Fr. Victor . against other Diuines . THat the pope cannot dispense with the precept of confession : see defended against other their Diuines by Victoria art . 140. 59. Scotus against Pet. Lombard , Thomas , Durandus , Paludan , Richard , Gabriel . THat we may in an extremity confesse our sinnes to a Lay-man , is held by the Master of Sentences ( 4. d. 17. ) and Saint Thomas ( in the same place , and in additionibus q. 8. art . 2. ) who cyteth Augustine and Bede ) by Durandus , Paludanus , Richardus , Gabriel . But Scotus defends it not safe to be done ( in 4. d. 14. art . 2. ) who is confuted by Fr. Victoria art . 143. 60. Paludanus , Capreolus , Durandus , against Maior and Fr. Victoria . THat any Priest may absolue vs in the point of death , stands by the law of God , saith Paludanus ( 4. d. 20. q. 1 ) and Capreolus ( d. 19. q. vnica ) and Durandus . It stands onely by a positiue law , saith Maior and Fr. Victoria . art . 156. DECAD . VII . 61. Io. Maior , Bernardus de Gauaco , Capreolus and Caietane in three different opinions . WHether an imperfect and informe confession be to be repeated , are three opinions ; two extreame , and one meane : the first of Io. Maior ( 4 d. 17. q. 3.1 . ) that it must be repeated if it were not entire , or wanted of contrition : which Victoria cals an intollerable errour : The second of Bernardus de Gauaco ( in impugnat . Godofredi quodlib . 5 ) that how imperfect soeuer it be , it is not to be repeated . The third is more likely , of Capreolus ( d. 17. q. 2. ) and Caietane , which hold , that some imperfect confession is to be repeated , some not . Victor . art . 157. 62. Fr. Victor . against Durandus . THat by an imperfect confession , the precept of confession is satisfied , and fulfilled , is denyed in some cases by Durandus ( 4. dist . 17. quaest . 14 and 15. ) affirmed by Fran. Victoria . art . 163. FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A02568-e160 Har. Suis & ipsa Roma viribus ruit . Notes for div A02568-e270 Especially , To by Iudith , wisd . of Salomon , Ecclesiasticus , Maccabees . Euseb. l. 4. c. 25. Exposit. Symboli veteris instrumenti primo omnium Mosis quinque libri . &c ▪ Haec sunt quae patres intra Canonem concluserunt , ex quibus fidei nostrae assertiones , &c. Alij libri sunt qui noa Canonici , &c. In Prologo galeato Tom. 3. p. 6. Hic prologus Scripturam quasi Galeatū principiū omnibus libris quos de Hebraeo , &c. Vt scire valeamus quicquid extra hos est inter Apocrypha esse ponendum : igitur sapientia quae vulgo Salomonis inscribitur & Iesu &c. non sunt in Canone , &c. Euseb. li. 6. c. 24 Haud ignorādum autem fuerit veteris instrum . libros sicut Hebraei tradunt 22. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , &c. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Haec sunt Apocrypha , Iesus , Sapientia , Pastor , & Macabaeotum libri , Iudith atque Tobia . Hugo Card. Concil . Trident . Decr. de Canon . script . April . 8 promulg in quart . Sessione . Sacrorum vero librorum indicem huic decreto adscri bendum censuit , &c. Sunt autem in fra-scripti Testamenti veteris quinque libri Mosis , &c. Tobias , Iudith , Sapientia Salomonis , Ecclesiasticus , Macab . 2. Si quis autem libros ipsos integros cum omnibus suis partibus prout in Ecclesia Catholica legi consueuerunt , & in veteri vulgata latina editione habentur , pro sacris & canonicis non susceperit , Anathema sit . Aug. de Ciuit. dei l. 15. c. 13. Sed quomodo libet istud accipiatur , &c. Ei linguae potius credatur vnde est in aliam . facta translatio . Ludoui . Viues ibid. Hoc ipsum Hieronymus clamat vbique hoc ipsum docet ratio , &c. Sed frustra bonorum ingeniorum consensus hoc docet . Hieron . l. 3. com . in Isaiam quod si aliquis dix erit Hebrae os libros postea a Iudaeis falsatos , &c. § Sin autem dixerint post aduentum Domini saluatoris &c Hebraeos libros fuisse falsatos , cachin num tenere non potero , vt saluator & Apostoli , &c. cap. 6. Decr. p. 1. dist . 9. c. vt veterum Vt veterum librorum fides de Hebaeis voluminibus examinanda est , ita nouorum graeci sermonis normam desiderat . Ad Decr. p. 1. d 19. c. 3. Ad diuina recurre scripta Graeca . Bellar. l. de verb. dei 2. cap. 11. §. 3. Accedit quod patres passim docent ad fontes Hebraeos & Graecos esse recurrendum : & Hieron in lib. contr . Heluid . & in epist. ad Marcellam &c. Concil . Trid. sess 4. Sacro sa ncta synodus statuit vt haec ipsa vetus &c pro authentica habeatur . Bell. de verb. l. 2. c. 11. Nunc autem fontes multis in locis turbidos fluere , &c. Omnino contendunt Iudaeos in odium christianae relig . studiose deprauasse ita docet Iac. Christopolitanus & Canus , &c. Bell. 2. de verb. dei p. 100. So Raynolds in his refutation . p. 303 Against Isaac Valla , Andradius , Monta &c. Haeretici huius temporis , odio vulgatae editionis nimium tribuunt editioni Hebraicae &c omnia examinari volunt ad Hebraeum textū quē non semel purissimū fontē appellant . Bell. l. 2. de verb. c. 2 Epiphan . contr Anomaeos . haeres . 76. Omnia sunt clara & lucida &c. Basil. in Ascet. or Regul . breviores . quae ambigue , & obscure videntur dici in quibusdam locis sacrae script . & reg . 267. Aug. Ep. 3. Non tanta in scripturis difficultate peruenitur ad ea quae necessaria sunt saluti , &c. Aug. de doctr . Christ. l. 2. c. 9. In jis quae aperte in scriptura posita sūt iuueniuntur illa omnia quae continent fidē moresque viuendi . Magnifice & salubriter spirit . sanctus ita script . &c. De doctr . Christiana , l. 2 c. 4. Aug. Epist. 3. Modus ipse dicendi quo sancta scriptura &c. Sed inuitat omnes humili sermone . Chrysost. Hom. 3. de Lazaro Cui non sunt manifesta quae cunque in Euangel . ? &c. quomodo possis intelligere quae ne leuiter quidem inspicere velis &c sume librum in manus , lege &c. Citat . ab ipso Bellarm. Apostoli vero & prophetae omnia contra fecerunt manifesta , claraque : quae prodiderunt , exposuerunt nobis veluti communes orbis doctores , vt perse quisque discere possi● , ea quae dicuntur , ex sola lectione . Chry. hom . 3. in Laz. quamobrem opus est conci onatore , omnia sunt plana ex Scripturis diuinis , sed quia delicatuli estis . &c. Hom 3. in 2. Thess. Bellarm. l 3. de verbo c. 1. Necessario fatendum est scripturas esse obscurissimas . Lutherus duo effugia excogitauit ; vnum quod scriptura etiam si alicubi obscura , tamen illud idem alibi clare proponat , &c. ibid. § 2. Eccius in Enchirid . c. 4. Lutherani contendunt scripturas sacras esse claras . Duraeus contr . Whitak . li. 6. Rhemists in 2. Pe. 3.16 . and in their Praeface at large , &c. Homili . in 4. dominic . ab Epiphan . Ambr. ser. 35. Hieron in Psa. Dominus narrabit , & quomodo narrabit ? Non verbo , sedscriptura , in cuius scriptura ? in populorū , &c. Dominus narrabit in scripturis populorū in scripturis sanctis ; quae , scriptura populis omnibus legitur , hoc est vt omnes intelligant , non vt pauci intelligerent , sed vt omnes . in Psal. 86. Omnia quae post ascens . &c quis fidelis vel etiam catechumenus antequam spiritū sanctum baptizatus accipiat , non aequo animo , &c. Aug. trac . in Io 96. and to the same purpose l. 2 de doct . Chris. c. 8. Chrys. hom . 3. de Lazar. Semper hortor & hortari non desinam vt non hic tantū attendatis . &c. Ego forensibus causis affixus sum , &c. Vxorem alo & liberos , familiae curamgero &c. Qui montium vertices occuparunt , &c. Quid ais homo ? non est tui negotij scripturas euoluere , &c. Imo tuum magis est quam illorum , &c. Neque nunc fieri potest vt quisquam , &c. Ne negligamus nobis parare libros , &c. quid igitur inquiunt , &c. Publicani , piscatores , Tabernaculorum opifices , pastores & Apostoli idiotae illiterati &c. Note , that which is read in Chrysostome 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , in some better copies is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifies Goat-beards , more agreeable to the place . Vt & famulus , & Vidua mulier , & omnium hominum indoctissimus , exaudita lectione aliquid lucri vtilitatisque reportet . Hom. in Gen. 29. Obsecro vt subinde huc veniatis , &c. In Coloss. Hom 9. Audite obsecro seculares omnes , &c. Rhemists in their Praeface to their Testament . Bellar. de ver . l. 2. c. 15. Haeretici huius temporis omnes in eo conueniunt , vt oporteat scripturas omnibus permittere imo & tradere in sua lingua : &c. At Catholica ecclesia , &c. Prohibet ne Passim omnibus sine discrimine concedatur eiusmodi lectio , &c. Duraeus cont . Whit. l. 6. Si Christianis omnibus vt scripturas seru tentur a Christo dictum esse intelligis , in magno certe errore &c. Promiscuae fidelium turbae &c. Basil. Ep. 82. Aug. de vnitate ecclesiae , siue Epist. cont . Petilianum Donatistam cap. 2. Inter nos autem & Donatistas quaestio est , vbi sit ecclesia , quid ergo facturi sumus ? in verbis nostris eam quaesituri , &c Aug. ibid. c. 16. Vtrum ipsi ecclesiam teneant , non nisi diuinatum scripturarum Canonicis libris ostendant , &c. quia nec nos propterea dicimus , &c. Aug. in Psa. 69. in illa verba . Omnes qui quaerunt te &c Ne in ecclesia errares , ne quis , &c. Multi enim di●erunt carnem non habuisse : ostendit &c. So Epi. 166 & in Ps. 57. &c. Chrys. hom . in Matth. 49. qui vult cognoscere , quae sit vera ecclesia Christi , vnde cognoscet nisi &c. Eckius in Enchirid . c. de ecclesia . Scriptura non est authentica sine authoritate ecclesiae ; Scriptores enim Canonici sunt membra ecclesiae , vnde haeretico contendere volenti , &c. Eckius ibidem Scriptura definit in concilio , visum est spiritui sancto &c. rem tam clare expressam , & definitam ecclesia sua authoritate mutauit , &c Ecce potestas ecclesiae super scriptura . Si tollamus authoritatē praesentis ecelesiae & praesentis concilij , in dubium reuocari poterunt omnium aliorū conciliorū decreta , & tota fides Christiana , &c. Bell. De effectu sacram . l. 2. c. 25. pag. 300. Omnium dogmatum firmitas , &c. So Pigh . l. 1. de Hier. ec . Stapl. l. 9. Princ. doct . c. 1. Compertum est ab his dam nata vt haeretica in Lutheri libris , quae in Bernardi Augustinique libris , vt Orthodoxa , imo vt pra leguntur . Erasm. ep . ad Card. Mogunt . pag. 401. Balsamus & munda cera cum Chrismatis vnda conficiunt Agnum , quod munus do tibi magnum &c. Fulgura de caelo , &c. Peccatum frangit vt Christi sanguis & angit , &c. Sacr. Cerem . l. 1. Vt ea , quae in hoc aquarum vasculo , praeparato ad nominis tui gloriam infundere decreuimus , benedicas : quatenus ipsorum veneratione & honore nobis famulis tuis crimina diluantur , abstergantur maculae peccatorum , impetrentur veniae , gratiae conferantur , vt tandem vna cum sanctis & electis tuis vitam percipere mereamur aeternam . Fran. a Victoria Ordin . Praedicatorum Sum. sacram . art . 184. p. 104. Sed quid faciet Confessor cum interrogatur de peccato , &c. Respondeo secun dum omnes , quod sic . Sed fac quod Iudex aut praelatus ex malitia exigat a me iuramentum , an sciam in confessione ? Respondeo : quod coactus iuretse nescire in confessione , quia intelligitur se nescire ad reuelandum , aut taliter quod possit dicere . Papa facit protestationem ante Canonizationem se nihil intendere facere , quod sit contra fidem aut ecclesiam Catholicam . Aliqui tamen clarissimi viri dicunt , &c. Quia Papa quodammodo cogebatur ad Canonizandum quendam contra suam voluntatem . Lib. Sacr. Ceremon . Notes for div A02568-e3990 Non defuerunt etiam qui librum quidem , &c. Those aditions to Ester , which we reiect as Apocryphall . Ex Catholicis , Iohannes Driedo &c. Nec solum haeretici Pagani & Judaei , &c. Ecclesia eoslibros recipit quos B. Hieron . Nostris temporibus Erasmus . Duae sunt sententie principales , &c. Erasmus in annotationibus ad has Epistolas , &c. Erasmus in fine annotationum . &c. Nec defuerunt olim Catholici qui de huius libri authoritate dubitarent . Quartus autem Esdrae , &c. His igitur omissis qui Hebraico fonti nimiam puritatem falso attribuunt , &c. Non paruae quaestio est , &c. De postrema , &c. Hunc locum non solum Chemnitius , sed , &c. Thomas Caietanus in tract . de Instit. &c. Tres esse spiritus aeternus , &c. Sed ocurrunt Arriani Transsiluani , & Erasmus , &c. Quartus error est Durandi , &c B. Thomas , &c. Docet Christum per realem , &c. Nic. Lyranus non tantae autoritatis est , &c. Quod ante Nicenum , &c. Quod fabula sit narratio Martini , &c. Decimussextus est Celest. Gregor . 1. in Epist. 26. ad Johan . Carahtanum . Primo ex Gratiano . Sunt de hac re quinque opiniones , &c. Huc referri potest opinio quorundam Catholicorum , vt refert Iodoc. Clict . &c. Quo loco non possum satis , &c. Vnum superest dubium , Anne , &c. Quatuor tantum remanent diuersae , &c. Qui locus tribus modis exponi solet , &c. Nec solum haeretici . Tricesimus tertius est Celestinus 3. quem Alphonsus , &c. Nicolaus 3. qui in capite Ex●st . de verborum significatione in sexto definit . Iohannes 22. Papa a multis reprehenditur . De secunda est quidem aliqua dissensio inter authores , &c. * Jn-defensorio p. 2. c. 63. ❀ l. 1. Sum. c. 96 Sunt tres de eare Theologorum sententiae . De qua &c. tres inueniuntur auct●rum sententiae &c. Onuphrium in libro de comitijs imperialibus contra communem Historicorum sententiam scripsisse &c. Hanc autem originem , &c. Secundo abqui Catholici obij , &c. Concilia particularia , &c. Rem esse incertissimam , &c. Respondent quidam , vt Vega , &c. De Concilijs vnuersalibus , &c. P. 2. c. 21 Gratianus dist . &c. De proposita quaestione tres &c. a In 4. d. 19. b 3. p. tit . 22. c. 10. c L. 2. c. 93. &c d De planctu Ec cle . l. 1. c. 93. Quae autem definiuit . Author libri de Eccl. Haereticos & Apostatas baptiz . Alphonsus , &c. Deschismaticis , &c. De excommunicatis quod in Eccles. &c. Propter haec loca &c. Restant infideles occulti , &c. So Thomas Waldensis , Io. Driedo , Peter a Soto , Hosius , Canus , & others . Non desunt etiam Catholici qui dicant , &c. Si nulla extaret &c. Sexta obiectio ex S. Hieronimo in com . &c. Onuphrius in libro de Cardinalium Titulis &c Ac vt a primo incipiamus , Io. Maior , &c. Praeterea Erasmus , &c. Quartus error est multorum Canonistarum . Dubium autem est , &c. Thomas VVald . do●et Clericos debere , &c. Postrema restat quaestio de libertate Eccles. Quaestionem esse inter Theologos , &c. Et quamuis , S. Thomas . Vtrum autem post votum . De quarto duo sunt errores extremi . Tertius error est , &c. Non defuerunt qui , &c. Argumentum tertium quorundam Catholicorum . Tertia quaestio nunc , &c. Quantum ad primum , difficultas , &c. Quod ●am quasi pratum florentissimum lucidissimum , odoratis , amaenum . Mitissimum purgatorium , & quasi carcer quidam Senatorius , & honoratus . Si haec historia , &c. De damnatis similiter dico , &c. In 4 - sent . di . 45. Praeter hos errores , &c. De tertio Dubio &c. Quamuis autem aliquo modo &c. Nec vlli dubium esse debet , &c. Quod autem mortui , &c. Vnum hic solun dubium , &c. Qui potest suffragijs , &c. At dissentiunt de suffragijs ●●●●●●ularibus , &c. Quarta expos . &c. Alter error fuit Gul. &c. Eandem haeresin nostro saeculo , &c. Quaestio quarta sequitur ●vbi sit Purgat . Est autem hic notandum scholasticos , &c. Neque obstat quod esti Patres , &c. De modo autem quo cognoscunt , &c. 3. par . q. 10. ar . 2 Secunda opinio , &c. Quarta opinie , &c. * 3. Part. q. 25. art . 3. ❀ Lib. de cultu imaginum , &c. Praeterea notandum est Bartol . &c. Ad secundum Payua responder . Venio nunc ad postremam quaestionem &c. Peresius respondet . Et quidem Tho. VValdensis , Prima quorundam recentiorum , qui &c. Basilicae vel memoriae . Non tenemur diebus festis , &c Secundum est vt hoc , &c. Tres sunt doctorum sent entiae , &c. Sunt enim plures definitiones &c. Duae sunt Theolugorum sententiae . Sunt igitur variae Doctorum sententiae , &c. Jtaque quod Paludanus , &c. Aduersarij duo quaedam docent , &c. Noua haeresis nostro tempore , &c. Responderidebet duas esse Theologorum sententias . Quartum argumentum est Catha . &c. Sacramenta esse ver●s causas , &c. Vna igitur quaestio est , &c. Porro de Circumcisione . Signum aliquod spirituale , &c. Character non est relatio , &c. Alij ponunt simpliciter in substantia . Nec Circumcisio &c. * 3. p. q. 63. ar . ● . Praeter hos errores est opinio , &c Nota , negari non posse &c. Quo puncto temporis &c. Non desunt Theologi vt Dominicus , &c. Inter Catholicos fuerunt etiam &c. Altera opinio est . Prior est aliquorum Scholasticorum &c. Respon . Quaestionem esse inter Theologos . Ex Catholicis solus est &c. Est quidem inter Catholicos quaestio &c. Sed existit hes loco , &c. Porro Catholici fere omnes , &c. Nota secundo Catholicos , &c. Quidam tamen Catholici , &c. Primum est , duas opiniones falsas &c. B. Augustinus in Epistola ad Vo●usianum de vtroque isto miraculo , &c. Quintum exemplum est . Durandus docuit partem vnam &c. Hinc refelli potest , &c. Sexta opinio seu potius haeresis , &c. Tertius error eorum est , &c. Sunt igitur de praesenti quaestione , &c. Porro Ecclesia Catholica semper &c. Est igitur quaestio hoc loco tractanda , &c. Johannes a Louanio vbi praecipue &c. Breuiter refellenda est opinio eorum &c. Nihil spiritualis fructus capitur ex duabus . De hoc loco duae sunt Catholicorum sententiae . De modo autem loquendi , &c. Plurimi conantur , &c. Ab hac Philippi sententia non procul . &c. Hoc testimonium non potest &c. Huc faciunt omnia loca Patrum &c. Consecratio Eucharistiae , &c Sacrificium Missae &c. Praeterea Damasus in Pontificali . Conuenit ferè inter authores , &c. Quam ceremoniam non ipse &c. Jta ex Catholicis Theologis Scotus , &c. Deinde attexit varias esse opiniones Catholicorum &c. Denique esto , non sit confessio iuris &c. Neque Sco'us satis apte &c. Jnprimis null ●unt Catholicorum &c. Obijciunt tertio &c. Sequitur altera partitio , &c. Neque probandum est quod Hadrianus &c. Porro Catholici Scriptores in eo &c. Theologi Scholastici in eo solum &c. ●●quidem Catholici doctores &c. Et Richardus Armachanus docuit , &c. Secunda est Richardi in libello de spiritu blasphemiae &c. Errat enim Rupertus Abbas l. 9. &c. Extitit etiam ante annos &c. Non ignoro Thomam VValdensem &c. Docet quidem Ruardus Tapperus insignis Theologus &c. Adde quod licet sententia sit Valde &c. Non concedit melior pars Theologorum &c. Denique nemo Catholicorum d●cet , &c. De priore non omnes conueniunt . Quidam Catholici inter quos &c. Vna tantum est inter Theologos quaestio &c. Vna est tantum hoc in loco dubitatio &c. Duae sunt ceremoniae &c. Ordinatio ● Episcopalis , &c. De diaconis valde probabile est . Jam vero de Subdia conantu &c. Denique de minoribus Ordinibus &c. Sequitur tertia Controuersia &c. Ex Catholicis vnus est Durandus . Non desunt Catholici qui admittant , &c. De copulâ coniugali duae sunt &c. Respondent aliqui vt Petrus &c. Canus autem dum pro sua opinione &c. Quidam enim docent , &c. Eandem sententiam &c. Et Dominicus &c. Quod vero ille dicit , &c. Quaestio est inter doctores , &c. Primus videtur Erasmus &c. Quaestio igitur &c. De his quatuor gradibus &c. Non desunt quidem Theologi . Quare non magis differt , &c. Prior fuit Pelagianorum &c. Non defuerunt ex veteribus &c Quaerta opinio est recentiorum . &c. Et quidem recentiores illi &c. Et quidem Johannes Damascenus , &c. Vna sancti Augustini quem Scholastici &c. Quocirca valdè mirum est &c. His omnibus erroribus contraria est sententia Theolog. Catholicorum &c. At sententiae communis &c. Aliqui docent &c. Et quidem non desunt . Et quidem S. Iohannes Chrys. Explicandus est modus &c. Quod ad priorem &c. Communis sententia est si primus , &c. Tametsi non desint . inter Catholicos , &c. Non desunt qui existiment . Ex nostris Ioha●nes &c. Non vnum in omnibus &c. Nunc refutand●e sunt duae &c. Restat vltimus error . Quinque numerantur sententiae &c. Locus in quo paruuli degunt &c. Aliqui veterum Scholasticorum . Ad hanc sententiam accessit Albertus &c. Vtrum habitus gratiae . Operae precium esse duximus . &c. Vnde sumatur efficacia gratiae &c. Theologi Catholici quàm plurimi &c. Auxilium dei sufficiens &c. Disputant quidem Theologi &c. Sed explicemus paulo fusius , &c. Propter hoc argumentum non defuerunt &c. Sunt autem de hac re multae Theologorum sententiae &c. Tametsi Gul. Occam in l. 3. Sent. q. 13. Tres de hac re sententiae &c. Tres enim Theologorum . Vna solum controuersia rema net . Duo siquidem contrarij errores &c. Tertia quaestio quae vna ex principalibus &c. Concordiam istam liberi arbitrij &c. Quidam Theogi , &c. Conueniunt Theologi Catholici , &c. Fortasse conciliari possunt . Dictum iliud commune Scholarum , &c. Aliqui etiam ex Catholicis , &c. In eandem sententiam fiue potius , &c. De proposita igitur quaestione &c. Nam Parisiensis & Louaniensium vero , &c. Dico nullum Catholicum Scriptorem &c. Ab hoc argumento &c. Quamuis non desint &c. Fuit opinio cuiusdam &c. Fuit singularis opinio Gulielm . &c. Et quamuis non desint grauissimi , &c. Catholici omnes agnoscunt &c. Quod vero quidam distinguunt &c. Non desunt qui censeant opera &c. Postrema restat quaestio . &c. Vtrum autem operibus . &c. Quamuis Cardinalis Caietanas . &c. Respondemus iure Diuino &c Quicquid olim Doctores . &c. A●tera sententia est Johannis Cassiani &c. Quamuis autem praeceptum elecmosynae &c. Quamuis non desint graues Theologi &c. Non defuerunt ex Antiquis Theologis &c. Non desuerunt aliqui ex recentioribus &c. Non defuere qui indulgentias &c. Quaere merit● damnata est &c Non defuerunt qui negauerint &c. Certe haec responsio probabilis visa est Caietano &c. Videtur quidem Petrus &c. Indulgentiae liberant &c. Cum in forma Indulgentiae &c Cum non fit mentio &c. Porro Caietani definitio &c. Existit autem hoc loco &c. Non desunt qui negent &c. An qui indulgentiam . &c. Si quis tempore Iubilei . &c. De conci●io generali quaeri potest &c. Altera dubita●io est de iure &c. Denique Angelus in summa . Ad iustam causam requiri &c. ●icu●●roban●●n non est quod &c. An requiratur status gratiae &c Tertia quaestio est de confessione Nam Cardinali● Caietan . &c. Ex Catholicis Ostiensis . De modo quo indul . &c. Quid significet per modum suffragij &c. Difficillima omnium ea est &c. Requiritur ex sententia Caietani &c. Praepositinus quidam &c. Remelius considerata &c. Non probo quod &c. Vbi dicimus senten●iam &c. Non approbo quod dixi . &c. Docuimus hoc loco , &c. Reprehendit vtrumque &c. Dixi conuersionem &c. Videtur reprehendere Io. de Louan & me . Posui inter libros Catholicos &c. Allegantur multi authores &c. Quia dum haec recognoscer●m &c. Quamuis . Glossa &c. Confess . Sacram. non esse in Paradiso &c. A nullo puro homine &c. Errasse etiam eos . Infertur errasse Glossam &c. Errore Caietanum . Etiam Petrum ab Osma errasse &c. Infertur falli Canonem &c. Errasse Glossam Tenetur homo &c. Non esse vllum &c. Malè autem addunt Paludanus &c. Circumstantias quae aggrauant . Difficile est autem &c. Non igitur circumstantia temporis &c. Dubium est inter Doctores &c Difficultas est inter Doctores &c. Neminem teneri ad &c. Neque confess . neque absolutionem fieri posse per procuratorem . Quamuis in confesso sit , &c. Res haec satis dubia &c. Quamuis S. Thomas &c. Quoad casus reservatos &c. Vnde fallitur Adrianus &c. Ad medicandum & consulendum &c. Non parua inter doctores &c. Tertius casus est &c. Parochianus delinquens , &c. Ratihabitionem retro-trabi . &c. Quid tamen nomine proprij &c Quicquid Glossa &c. Quamuis non nulli olim vt Glossa &c. Quamuis viatores &c. Quidam eius opinionis sunt &c. Quoties quis putat se non &c. Laicus cui in articulo &c. Quicquid olim Glossa &c. Tria illa diéta &c. Jo. Maior qui maxime contendit &c. Jnterrogatio praeambula &c. Non sufficit autem vt putat Caietan . &c. Quicquid aliqui &c. Quicquid contrarium dicat Caietan . Licentiam hanc dari posse &c. Aliqui saltem in alijs duobus &c. Quid facere debet confessarius &c. Confessariū quo ad confitentem &c. Informa absolutionis . Manus impositio super capite paenitentis &c. Hinc infertur falli Angelum &c. Jn hac quaestione difficili &c. Quamuis mult . Doctores , &c. Quamuis Caietanus &c. In hac quaestione satis difficili &c. Vnde falluntur Richard. &c.