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A29784) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 56396) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 885:12) Novus reformator vapulans, or, The Welch Levite tossed in a blanket in a dialogue between Hick-- of Colchester, David J--nes and the ghost of Wil. Pryn. Brown, Thomas, 1663-1704. [10], 35 p. Printed for the assigns of Wil. Pryn ..., London : 1691. Reproduction of original in Huntington Library. Attributed to Thomas Brown. cf. BM. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. Gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. 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Quin huc inanes , si potes , vertis minas , Et me remorsurum petis ? Hor. LONDON : Printed for the Assigns of Will. Pryn , next Door to the Devil . MDCXCI . THE PREFACE . IT was the celebrated Saying of a certain Dutch Minister at Rotterdam , That to drink Mum in a Morning was the same thing in effect , as to put on one's Night-cap in a Morning . The Gentleman's meaning , I suppose , was this , That Mum was an heavy , dull sort of a Liquor , that disposed People to be sleepy afterwards ; and of this Nature , according to some Persons , are all stupid Treatises , and all insipid Pamphlets . To read a Page or two of 'em is literally and really all one with putting on one's Night-cap ; they are true Opiates , and ought to visit the World at first in the very same place , in which they generally take their farewel of it , viz. In a Drugster's Shop . But I , that could read over the late famous Sermon of the Vicar of Bray , who , to his Honour be it spoken , still keeps up the Reputation of his Place , and does not in the least degenerate from the Noble Vertues of his great Predecessors ; and what was a greater Tryal both of my Patience , and the strength of my Constitution , I that could read over Mr. N — rris's Essay about the Vanity of Humane Learning , which he dedicates to a blind Lady , with Ichabod , the Answer to the Vox Cleri , the Mundus Muliebris , the Weekly Observator , the Rector of Exeter's Case penn'd by himself , the Latin Translation of Milton's Paradice , all the late Plays , and other numberless Compositions of the same Stamp and Dignity , and all this without the least inclination to take a Nap , thought my self secure from the ill influences of one single Sermon , tho' it were never so well stored with Opium , and therefore made no difficulty at all of giving it a perusal . What gave me the greater Curiosity to examine it at my leisure hours , was to see whether it deserved the mighty Character , that abundance of People about the Town were pleased to confer upon it . For to my own knowledge several persons commended it for a piece of great Eloquence and Ingenuity , that have not Sense enough to distinguish between the No-Language and No-Rhetoric of Baxter's Everlasting Rest , and the solid beautiful reasoning of the Whole Duty of Man. And again , it past universally in Dick's Coffee-House for a Discourse of great Piety and Sincerity , amongst an Herd of Men , who have no other way to shew their concern for the Protestant Religion , but by railing at the Priesthood all the World over ; or their Zeal for the present Monarchy , but by perpetually asserting the Deposing Power ; Men that without the greatest assurance imaginable can make no Pretensions either to Piety or Sincerity , and who before this time could never endure any Publique Harangue that was guilty of having two such unpalatable Ingredients in it . One would indeed wonder , if he could condescend to wonder at any particular Passage in so strange an Author , to find so tedious and impertinent a Digression about Pluralities and Non-Residence , and other Clergy-sins , in a Sermon that was purely calculated for a City Auditory , and designed for another end ; unless the Author was resolved before-hand to bilk his Text , viz. The discountenancing of Pride . A man that is altogether unacquainted with this Pindarick way of Preaching , would no more expect to find a long Catalogue of Levitical Enormities in a Discourse of that nature , than to meet a formal Harangue against Flattery in a Book of Heraldry , or a sober Reproof of Perjury in a Plot-mongers Narrative : Or lastly , a Caution against Simony in a White-Chappel Treatise . I remember I knew a certain frugal Gentleman some years ago , who was only Master of one Simile , and that serv'd him upon all occasions : So with him a Man smoak'd like a Dragon , and drank like a Dragon , and eat like a Dragon ; in fine , slept , walk'd , fought , rode , jok'd like a Dragon , and did every thing you can name like a Dragon . After the same manner there are several persons in the World of great Malice , but barren Inventions , that are tolerably well stored with one sort of Satyr and Invective , and this they very judiciously apply to all Subjects , and use before all Companies , tho' for the most part it comes as ill-favouredly and odly into the Discourse , as Charon and his Boat into Michael Angelo's Piece of the last Iudgment . Our Author is one of this number . I dare engage ( for the Reader must understand I am no Stranger either to his Person or Character ) that if he were to preach before Civilians , Soldiers , Tarpawlins , Citizens or Courtiers , at the Temple , the Spittle , Wappin or Whitehall ; nay , were it at a County Feast , or at the Head of a Drum , or an Alderman's Burial , this same Clamour about Pluralities and Non-residence would make up the better part of the Entertainment with him . He treats his Prelates with as little of his good Breeding as Jo. Hindmarsh does his Authors , and can no more forbear to rail at his Superiors , whenever they fall in his way , than a Barber at those Gentlemen that trim themselves by their own Looking-glasses ; or the City Porters at the first Projector of the Penny-Post Office. This surly Brutal Principle is partly owing to the sowerness of his Constitution , and has been since improved and advanced into an habit , by that just ill usage and universal Contempt that his own Arrogance and insupportable Temper have drawn down upon him . I would not willingly be thought guilty of so much Impertinence , as to pretend to advise a Man of his invincible and stedfast Obstinacy ; or otherwise I would counsel him , if ever he designs to plague the Book seller with any more of his Productions , and withal would pass incognito , to lay aside his celebrated Talent of censuring and railing , for a while , and speak just as other Men do when they have a mind to appear in Publick : For this I can tell him for his comfort , he will be as effectually disguised in his Civility and good Manners , as an Alsatian Bully is by washing his Face , and putting on a clean Cravat . Indeed , as he has order'd matters , I am afraid this Conduct will be somewhat too late for him to use in the Pulpit ; he has drawn an heavy Rent-charge of Scandal and Railery upon himself , which now every body expects at his hands ; and the Town will no more relish any of his Doctrin without a good lusty Invective against the Clergy to recommend it , than they 'll endure to hear a Mountebank's tedious Cant , without the preceeding Diversion of a Farce , or a Man of Sense would do Penance in D — rfy's Company without the Amends of his singing . His Shoals of Prentices , blew Aprons , and other Auditors of that Noble Figure are a severe sort of Task-masters ; if they should ever hear that he has Apostatiz'd from Calumny , and suffer'd himself to be perverted and debauched into Civil Language , away they would go and abandon him for a Reprobate : Nay , if he should go about to disappoint , or rather to cheat 'em of never so little of their accustom'd portion in slander and back-biting , they would as certainly leave him , as they do the House , where they are denied a full-pot , and Eleemosynary Tobacco . For in short he has used them to this fulsom dyet , and now he is bound in honour to furnish his Table with it still , which I confess he can do at a cheaper rate than any of his Brethren ; people go on purpose to hear him for the sake of that defamation and ribbaldry he constantly provides for them , as the Sparks of the other end of the Town visit B — rgesse's Coventicle to be diverted with tall Metaphors and everlasting Grimace , so that a Sermon of his would no more pass without the usual Ragoust of reviling and reproving , than a Smithfield Shew without a Ghost or a Devil ; and if he has ever a mind to change his Stile , he must at the same time resolve to change his County . The truth on 't is , both the Author and his Sermon are of so low and inconsiderable a Character in the World , that if it were not for the two following Reasons I had never troubled my head either with the one , or the other . He is pleased to say pag. 8. of his Sermon , That to let a Man go unreproved , in his Sins , is to flatter him : Now because I would not lie under the severe imputation of flattering our Author ( for I had much rather the World should think me guilty of all the seven deadly Sins , than of that single scandal , ) I was easily prevailed upon to give him a Chastisement , and that too in as publick a manner as his Crimes deserved . In the next place , he had unhappily , I can't tell how , deceived some ignorant people into a great opinion of his probity and learning , and I was resolved to undeceive them . If he seriously designs the discouraging of Vice , and the promoting of piety , why then does he amuse his Auditors with things that have no relation to 'em , nay things that in all probability will render the rest of his Doctrin of no effect ? or why does he busy himself in a province where he 's no more concerned , than our present unweildy Elephant of a Laureat in any of the City Dancing-Schools ? To pretend to reform Mens manners , and yet instruct 'em how to rail at their Pastors with a better grace , is as ill-contrived a piece of Stupidity , as to encourage a Boy in his Books , and yet at the same time to tell him that his Master is either a Raskal or a Blockhead . Will his mighty bellowing against Non-residence oblige the Tradesman to a closer attendance of his Shop , or make him visit the Tavern less ? Will his condemning of Pluralities make the Chirurgeon leave prescribing of Physic , or deter the Shooemakers from invading the Corn-cutter's business , or fright the wicked Coffee-Man from dealing in Cherry-Brandy and Vsquebagh ? Will his arraigning the Clergy for removing from a poor to a rich Benefice , have that effect upon the Mercers , and Lace Men , as to keep 'em in the City , and hinder them from exchanging Pater-noster-row for the Piazza's in Covent-Garden ? Or lastly , Will the perpetual reproaches that he bestows so liberally upon his Ecclesiastical Governors , perswade the Republican party to Sacrifice their Old seditious principles , and talk with more respect of a Monarchy for the future ? And now after all , if he has no farther designs in his head , than to be advanced to the next vacant Curacy or Reader 's place , since by his insufferable behaviour he has lost all his expectations elsewhere , I can only tell him he 's exceedingly out in his Politics , and that he has taken as rude and unmannerly a course to get himself preferred , as the City Marshals by keeping a horrid noise with their damned Drums at people's doors , to make 'em remember their Christmass-Box . For my own part I must needs declare , that I look upon want of preferment to be the chief , if not the only reason of our Young Reformer's inveighing so zealously against the rest of his Brethren : Whatever the matter is , I could never entertain any great opinion of that Man's Sanctity , let his life be never so austere , and his pretences never so specious , that places the better part of his Religion in libelling and traducing his Superiours : Besides 't is a true observation , that no one rails at Pluralities so strenuously , as he that cannot arrive to one single Benefice ; as we see no Member of the House falls upon the Court party with that heat and vigour , as the Man that designs to be made a Minister of State for his pains : And 't is an usual thing for those that are forced to trudge it a foot in the dirt , to wish the Devil had all those Persons that ride by in their Glass-coaches . He quotes Aristotle's Rhetorick pag. the 17th , for that memorable saying of his , That Riches make Men haughty and insolent , ( tho' it seems , Poverty has had the same Effects upon himself ) and thus a St. Bernard or a St. Austin's Name have been used in a Country Pulpit to prove that Patience is an excellent Vertue , or to justifie any of the most common received , notorious Truths . But however with Reverence be it spoken , a Man that will give himself the trouble to read his Sermon , would no more suspect that he was acquainted with Aristotle's Rhetorick , than that Mr. H — rris or Mr. P — wel , or any of the Modern Play-writing Actors are acquainted with Aristotle's Criticisms upon Poetry . There 's a continued vein of vicious Language and Reasoning that runs through all the Discourse ; and were it not , that the whole Sermon from the beginning to the end is exactly of the same Piece and Contexture , I would cull out some of the most remarkable Passages in it for the Reader 's Diversion as well as his farther Satisfaction . But now I think better on 't , we were not to expect any such thing as Rhetorick from our Author , for pag. 6. he very gravely rebukes all those Ministers that come to Church to make Speeches , and to preach Themselves , and turn the Church into a Theatre and the Pulpit into a Rostrum . We know well enough for whom this surly Reproof was meant , but for this once let it fall upon our Authors dearest Friends the Fanatick Divines , for I am certain they deserve it best . Those that now and then go to hear 'em , know that they make Speeches , and fine ones too , if the Hour-glass may be allowed to be Iudge ; and that they preach Themselves , especially towards the end of a Quarter , when the People are to be reminded of their Contribution-Mony , and that to Mr. Betterton's loss , by their several ridiculous Postures and Actions they turn the Church into a Theatre ; and where 's the wonder ? for their devout Forefathers used to turn 'em into Stables . I must confess , I am no passionate admirer of any formal set Discourses , where one meets a great deal of good Language , but very sorry Sense or Thought at the bottom ; and yet I cannot endure to see a noble Subject labour under the weight of barbarous Expressions , nor can I possibly bring my self to be of the same opinion with the generality of the Non-conformist Ministers amongst us , who either out of ignorance or design lard their lean Sermons with the most fulsom Metaphors , and the meanest Words they can meet , or if they have none of these ready to their hands , make no more scruple of coining new ones of the same quality ( such as Nothingness , Self-savingness , &c. ) than the Modern Souldiery of stamping one of their Pewter Buttons into a Farthing . To think that the Christian Religion is profan'd by good Language , or that clean Eloquence in a Discourse of Piety is as insignificant as ( if I may borrow a Simile from the Apocrypha ) a Scare-crow is in a Garden of Cucumbers , is a gross ridiculous piece of Superstition ; and can only be excused by the sottish Reveries of the Capuchins , and other doting Orders in the Church of Rome , who place the greatest part of their Devotion in being nasty and slovenly , and fancy they dishonour God Almighty by wearing a clean Shirt . I have dwelt the longer upon our Author in the Preface , because I was resolved to allow him but a very small share in the Dialogue . His two Companions Mr. Pryn , and the blustering Theologue of Colchester , as they are too well known by their Works to put any one to the expence of writing their Characters , so they were persons of better Sense and Malice , and consequently more likely to entertain the Reader with their Conversation . When I was talking of the most memorable occurrences that lately happened , I cowd not forbear to enlarge a little about the Merits of the Comprehension , and when my Hand was in there , to bestow a visit upon my old Friend of White-Chappel . No sensible man I presume will be angry with me , if I have not treated him with that Respect and Decorum that ought to be used towards Persons of his Function and Station : For if this sort of Style is criminal , it must be remembred that he gave the occasion and that I have only copied from his Answer to the Vox Cleri . It would raise any Man's Indignation , that is not altogether composed of those two very bad Monosyllables , Phlegm and Schism , to find him there so barbarously insulting upon the Ashes of the late blessed Royal Martyr● , and insinuating that the Immortal Portraiture is a spurious piece ; but to our comfort be it observed , he has past the same Censure upon St. Ignatius's Epistles . In the same Book with his usual good Manners and Breeding he scurrilously reflects upon two as eminent Men as any we have in the Church , who are as much above his little Invectives , as they scorn the little Tribute of his Panegyricks . And he likewise abuses two other great Ornaments of our Nation , after another way , that is , with a great deal of his nauseous thredbare Flattery , in hope , I suppose , of being preferr'd by them . But this , in my Opinion , is the most scandalous , and if I may so call it , the most Vncanonical Simony any Man can be guilty of . For my own Particular , I must needs confess , That as Augustus was pleased to say of K. Herod , That he would rather chuse to be his Hog than his Son : So in relation to the above-mentioned Dr. I would rather chuse to be his Adversary than his Friend . As I was his Adversary I could only lie open to the feeble Efforts of his Malice , which can injure no body : But if I were so unfortunate as to be thought his Friend , I could not promise my self to be secure from his Panegyricks , which , as they may render a Man's Reputation suspected , so they are the most dreadful terrible things in the whole World. If I have done any thing for which I am to beg the Reader 's pardon , 't is for suffering so inconsiderable a Trifle to sleep so long in my hands . Not to conceal any of my Infirmities from the World , I am sometimes possessed with the Spirit of Laziness as well as other People , especially when 't is my fortune to light upon a dull Subject , and then I use to retard and delay the Affair , as naturally , as a Lawyer does an unpaying Clients Cause . But of all things in the World I should never desire to be forgiven for pursuing my Argument with too much Severity , if I had done it , as indeed I have not . For besides that some Parties as well as Persons I could name , deserve no Quarter at an Enemies Hand , so a weak impotent Performance is full as inexcusable in Raillery , as it is in the business of Love : And an Adversary , let his Character be what it will , is like a Nettle ; if you touch him gently , he certainly pricks and stings you for your Civility ; but if you squeeze him hard , 't is ten to one you hear no more of him . A DIALOGUE BETWEEN Hick — and David , and Pryn's Ghost . Pryn. BLESS me ! Whereabouts am I ? Have I mistaken my way or no ? Well , I am resolved to enquire of the next Man I meet , that I may be satisfied . See , here one comes , but he 's a Levite I perceive by his garb , and they are a sort of People I never much fancied in all my Life , no more than the rest of my Profession . I 'll venture however to accost him — Reverend Sir , your humble Servant . If your occasions are not very pressing , I wou'd desire the favour of you to satisfie me in a certain scruple that troubles me . Hick . A very odd formal Fellow this ! Satisfie you in a certain Scruple do you say ? Come then , dispatch honest Friend as soon as you can ; Dispatch I say out of hand . For — Pryn. Nay , Sir , 't will be soon resolved , there 's no great difficulty in the question , I can assure you . Hick . Prithee Friend don't banter me with any of your assure me 's . I tell you my name is Hick — of Colchester , and therefore don't amuse me with any tedious , flourishes at your peril . If you have any Scruple about the Legality of the Spiritual Courts , why here 's my Naked Truth for you : or if your Scruple has any relation to the Liturgy , then make use of my Ceremony-Monger . Pryn. No , I thank you Sir , 't is nothing of that nature — In short Sir , I wou'd only request you to inform me where I am , and what is the name of this place ? Hick . Sure this old fashion'd Gentleman designs to put a trick upon me , but I 'll soon cure him of his jesting humor Why really honest Friend , this Question of yours , as you told me , carries no great difficulty with it ; but what wou'd you say to me now , if I should give my self the trouble to beat you most immoderately , if I should pull you by your worshipful Nose , or bestow a perpetual Almanac upon you Bones , before I go ? Pryn. I deserve no such usage from your hands . Upon my Sincerity , Reverend Sir , I meant you no harm by my question . 'T is not my way to impose upon any Man. I am really ignorant of the name of this place , and must once more desire you to tell me where I am . I find I must give my Levite good Words . 'T is a huge thundring two handed Theologue . Hick . Aside . Stay , let me consider a little . By that sanctified Aspect , and formal Band he should be none of those persons that use to make sport with People in the Streets . 'T is certainly some Scotch Minister or other that lost himself in a Vision last night , and is not yet recovered . — Well Sir , I believe your Intentions are honest , and that you had no design to Put the Doctor upon me , as the saying is . You must know then you are in London , but I profess I wonder in my heart how you cou'd be ignorant of it ? You are a Stranger to this City without question . Pryn. No Sir , that is your mistake . I have a great deal of reason , I am sure , to remember it . I lived the better part of my Life in this place , and I can never reflect upon it without the most sensible concern in the World. If you were acquainted with my Name and History , you 'd say the same . Hick . Why this is stranger and stranger still . Cou'd you pass the better part of your Life in this Town , and yet not know the Name of it ? Not to use any Ceremony with you , Honest Friend , in my opinion you must be either drunk or mad , chuse which you please . Pryn. Neither Sir , I am the Ghost of William Pryn , formerly Utter Barrister of Lincolns-Inn yonder , a Man that made no insignificant figure in the World. I presume a person of your years and gravity cannot be unacquainted with my Writings and Sufferings here . Judge you then , whether I have not reason enough to remember this City ; only the new Buildings and strange Alterations every where so surprized me at first , that I cou'd not positively determin where I was . Hick . And are you the Ghost then of William Pryn of happy Memory ? I profess I am ravished with joy to behold you . How can I ever thank my Stars sufficiently for furnishing me with so favourable an interview ! Tho' I have some business of great moment and consequence that calls me to the other end of the Town , yet I am resolved to sacrifice it for this time to enjoy the happiness of your learned Conversation . — Well Mr. Pryn , I must needs own , you have reason enough in all conscience to remember this sinful wicked Town ; Here , unless the Chronicle misinforms me , you lost a pair of Ears to the Indignation of a cruel persecuting Arch-Bishop : Here you encounter'd with Prelacy and Superstition , and here you erected an everlasting Trophy upon the demolished Abomination of high places . 'T is impossible for me to tell you , what an exceeding pleasure I take in seeing you ; and I am inclin'd to flatter my self , that my Company wou'd not be altogether disagreeable to you , if you were better acquainted with my Character . Pryn. You 'll extreamly oblige me , dear Sir , if you will be pleased to give me a relation of your Life . But may a Stranger make so bold as to request this favour at your hands ? Hick . As I told you before , Hick — is my Name , and Colchester is the place of my Habitation . I have in my time wrestled with a mighty Prelate as well as your self , and declaimed as heartily against the Exactions of Doctors Commons , as ever you did against the illegal Oppressions of the Star-Chamber . 'T is true , the Books I have wrote for the common cause are not as yet arrived to a Cart-load ; but then give me leave to tell you they are full as tuant , and as well stored with Invectives as any of yours . I have as great an Aversion to Episcopacy as your voluminous self , and never failed to bellow against the Ceremonies and Discipline of the Church as often as I had an opportunity to do it . Indeed as to the point of Sufferings , I must own my self inferior to you , tho' that was none of my fault . A short Imprisonment , a Suspension and the Formality of making a Recantation . ( which I had the grace to disown the very next moment ) were the utmost of my punishment ; but then as for a hearty , through-paced inclination to the Cause , I cannot prevail with my self to allow you the precedence . Pryn. I am glad to meet with a Person of my own Complexion and Humour : But Sir , now we are here , between our selves , is it not unnatural and odd for a Man of the Indelible Character , to rail at his Brethren of the same Profession ? Does it not sound ill in the World , for a Son of the Church , and one that gets his Bread by the Church , to rail openly at his Mother , and endeavour to undermine her Settlement ? You know what the Satyrist long agoe observed , Parcit cognatis maculis similis fera . Now as for my self , I was a Lawyer , and we Lawyers as all the World can tell you , could never set our Horses with the Clergy . We look upon you as a generation of Men , that have established a distinct interest from that of the Civil Government ; for when ever you find any extremities from that quarter , you presently betake your selves to the Sanctuary of your Spiritual Kingdom . Besides , not to recount the Quarrels we have to your Civilians , and the Managers of your Ecclesiastical Thunder , we hate all your Tribe for spoiling so many good Law-Suits as you do ; by Preaching up those old , musty Doctrins of Love and Unity , and promoting so many References and Arbitrations amongst the People , to the grief and prejudice of all the poor Suffering Sons of Cook upon Littleton . Hick . I never expected such a Reprimand from Mr. Pryn : If you were but tolerably acquainted with my History , I am sure you would never Tax me with the guilt of propagating Peace and Unity in my Parish . Indeed if a Pious endeavour to set all Mankind together by the Ears , is the way to advance Peace and Unity in the World , I will willingly submit to all the scandal of your imputation . But is it possible Mr. Pryn , that you are so far altered from what you were formerly , as to reproach me with following your own Copy , that is , with railing at the Discipline and Ceremonies of the Church , and siding with the Fanatick Party ? Pryn. No , No , Heroick Sir , you have quite mistaken my meaning ; I only made bold to tell you , that it looks a little unnatural methinks , to see a Clergyman expose the miscarriages of the Men of his own order ; but at the same time I was very far from quarrelling with you in the least upon that score . You may take my word , ( and you have no reason to think that any of the Dead would be guilty of Flattery ) that I heartily caress and thank you for the good Services you have done us ; for I was always of Opinion , that there is no way so effectual to ruin the Church , as by engaging some of her own Members to carry on the Design . Hick . You say right , 't is indeed the securest way in the World to bring about such an undertaking ; for when any of the Laity bestow their Invectives very liberally upon the Church , the People are apt to suspect that Devotion and Honesty have ● very little share in the matter , but that either a Principle of Malice , or some particular picque or other has imbitter'd them against the Clergy : But now 't is a different case with those of my Function ; if we reproach our Brethren with their Ignorance , we purchase our selves the Reputation of Learned , Able Men ; if we accuse 'em of a Persecuting Spirit , we are presently extolled for Persons of Moderation ; if we rail at them for their Immoralities , O what a Sober Primitive Minister is this , though perhaps he takes off his half Dozen Bottles of Claret before he goes to Bed. If we keep a great Pother about Pluralities and Non-residence , why here 's a true Labourer in the Vineyard for you ; and if we tell our People that Ceremonies are but Foolish , Impertinent things , and meer Human Inventions , the Congregation immediately cries us up for Pastors that have the Power of Godliness , and are disingaged from all the prejudices of Superstition and Will-worship . Pryn. I find , Dear Sir , you are not to learn your Trade from me ; you are infinitely above any of my poor instructions . Hick . 'T is true , the discerning part of Mankind , are too wise to be shamm'd after this rate ; they are sensible enough , that 't is either want of Preferment , or some private grudge that makes us take up the Cudgels against our Brethren ; but then their Number is too small , and consequently too contemptible to be regarded ; and you know 't is our Business to gain the Hearts of the Mobb , and not to angle for Wise Men. I am sure I have abundantly found the benefit of this Conduct ; the People every where take me for an Oracle , and what is ten times more surprizing , they are such invincible Fools , as to cheat themselves into a belief of my great Zeal and Sincerity . Thus I have so far compassed my Designs , that the Church is generally disrespected for my sake ; and that , I need not tell you , is no small advance towards its Ruin. At the same time I am obliged to tell you , that I received no inconsiderable assistance in this affair , from a sort of Men who are stiled in the Modern Language , Sons of Comprehension ; who if they had been permitted to have pursued the Reformation they designed , had certainly ruin'd the Established Church , which thing you know the Dissenters have been zealously driving at all this last Century . Pryn. Sons of Comprehension do you say ? I can't imagine what you mean by the word . Is it then a spick and span new Faction in the State , or an old one newly furbish'd up ? What do these Men design , or to what Church do they pretend to belong ? Hick . Why truly honest Mr. Pryn , they all of 'em give out that they are Zealous Members of the Established Church , and yet no Men ever contributed more to the Ruin and Destruction of it than they have done . Their business in short was this ; to remove some of those Ceremonies that were Eye-sores to the Brethren ever since the Reformation , ; to castrate the Liturgy ; to abdicate the Apocrypha ; to enervate the Ecclesiastical Discipline ; to reduce Episcopal Jurisdiction into narrower Bounds , and extend that of the Inferior Presbyters : In fine , to leave it to the Discretion of the Minister , to read as few or as many of the publick Prayers as he should judge convenient . Pryn. Well , I find Miracles are not ceas'd amongst you here in this World ; but who could ever imagine that any of those Gentlemen , who some Years agoe defended every Ceremony of the Church with so much Pains and Zeal against the Attaques of their Adversaries , should be so strangely altered on the sudden , as to part with them freely , and thereby give an occasion to the ill-natured World , to conclude that they were all this while in the wrong , and their Enemies in the right ? Hick . Nay , I cannot forbear Laughing , as often as I think of the Conceit : Some of 'em were well-meaning Men , and hoped by these Alterations to bring over the most considerable part of the Dissenters to Church . Others found their interest in this Conduct ; for since the late Revolution , the Court , you must understand , seem'd to favour those Persons who were for advancing the Comprehension . Lastly , others ( in which number I reckon my self , ) were willing to be revenged of the Church for its ill-usage of 'em formerly , and now had as favourable an opportunity as Men could possibly wish , to effect their Design . Thus you see that Indiscretion in some , Ambition in others ; but in the most a spirit of Malice or Revenge , promoted the affair . It would take up too much time to tell you with what intreague and vigour this Blessed work , as 't was commonly called , was recommended to the pious care of the Convocation that was conven'd for this purpose . One County petition'd to have Tobit's Dog lashed out of the Church ; another presented their Grievance against Bell and the Dragon . Some were earnest to have the Athanasian Creed discarded ; some were for Purging the Service of Matrimony from Obscenity ; others desired to have a new Set of Collects , because the old ones were worn Thread-bare with continual wearing ; some thought the Prayers too tedious , others thought them too short . One quarrelled at the Cross in Baptism ; a Second found out down right Conjuring in the Litany ; a third made his exceptions at Kneeling at the Sacrament . Nay , rather than stand out , some were willing to play at such small Game , as to pick Faults with the Calendar , and so desired to have St. George and the rest of his Dreaming useless Brethren turned out of their Freehold there . Pryn. 'T is very surprizing , I confess , what you have told me . Hick . All this while Comprehension was the word in City and Country . Comprehension was still the burden of the Song in Taverns , and Comprehension fill'd up all the Idle , Impertinent Conversation of the Coffee-Houses ; 't was almost as bad as Treason to speak the least ill word of the Comprehension . Nay would you believe it ? the very Butchers on the other side Aldgate had got the word amongst them , and made excellent sport with it ; if they happen'd to meet with a furly , morose , ill-bred sort of an Ox , that was not over-forward to have any Alterations made in his Body , or to let a Reforming Knife strip him of his Ceremonious Hide , knock him down , Cryed the whole Fraternity of 'em , dash out his Brains , cut his Throat there ; 't is a Prelatical Ox , he won't suffer himself to be comprehended in a Halter . Pryn. If I were not a Ghost now , in spight of my gravity , and the severity of my temper , I could half kill my self with Laughing at these Stories . Hick . I remember I was once at a Merry Meeting at White-Chappel , where you are to know this same business of the Comprehension very was zealously set on foot ; and the Master of the House who gave us the entertainment , represented the whole Mystery of the Comprehension in a Bowl of Punch . Pryn. I have frequently conversed with some Dutch Divines in the other World , who were often talking of the great Virtues of Punch , and so I am not altogether 〈…〉 to the Composition of that Liquor : But pray inform me how 't was possible to represent the Comprehension in it ? Hick . Listen then . Says our Friend , Come Gentlemen , you know I promis'd you a bowl of Punch which that I may make Secundum Artem , as our Doctor has it , and that you who are my Acquaintance , may be likewise 〈◊〉 to do the same at any other time , pray take notice of the following Prescriptions ▪ 〈◊〉 , Here is a Gallon of poor Passive Church of England Water , a 〈…〉 , unedifying Element , the Lord knows , and good for nothing of itself , till there 's an Union o● Alliance made between it , and some other noble dissenting Ingredients . Into this , do ye mind me Gentlememen , I pour one Half Pint of good , sharp , Independent Lime Juice ; and afterwards add one Pound of Superfine Addressing Pensilvanian Sugar . Now , says he , lend me the Sieve of Election , and the Ladle of Accommodation , and you shall see what a Noble Sherbet I have made you . Pryn. There 's more 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 I perceive , to build one of these Bowls 〈…〉 it , than a Man would at first imagine : I find he must be a Master of his Trade . Hick . A Pox on 't , crys our Friend , this Foolish , Insignificant Church of England Water is too strong as yet for the Independent Lime-Juice , and the Pensylvanian Sugar ; and therefore to correct , or rather to destroy the unpalatable relish of it for all intents and purposes ; I must , says he , according to our Learned Doctor 's Method , pour in Two Quarts of Lusty and Potent Presbyterian Brandy . Now give me , continues he , yonder well-grown Anabaptist Tost , a Tost of Years and Discretion , a Tost that can answer for himself , and so forth . But first of all , let us gently rub him over with the Nutmeg of Affability , and then dip him over Head and Ears in this Regenerating Liquor : 'T is done Gentlemen , the Town 's our own ; but Lord ( crys he ) how it rejoyces my Heart to see how this Powerful Presbyterian Brandy Insults and Rides upon the poor Passive Hierarchical Water ! Pray Gentlemen , come and see this goodly Sight , quickly , quickly , here ; so we all peep'd into the Bowl , and Laugh'd till we were ready to burst our Hoops asunder with the Conceit . Pryn. Nay , I cannot discommend you for it ; 't was a Scene of Mirth enough to divert the most heavy Phlegmatick Creature in the World. Hick . As a certain Spark in the Room very well observed , we only wanted a Consort of the sweet Singers of Israel , to have sung some Spiritual Latitudinarian Hymn or other , to the Tune of the Gods and the Goddesses , and our Entertainment had been Compleat ; but we supplied that defect in a manner by the choiceness of our Healths ; for first we drank a good Health to the Scotch Covenant ; then we remembred our Friends of Amsterdam , and all our Trusty Fellow-Labourers near the Lake Lemane . After this we made a step to the other side of the Globe , and there visited the poor Churches in New England . Lastly , we concluded all with Health , Wealth and Prosperity to all the Sons of Comprehension , and all the Daughters of Latitude in Christendom . Pryn. Well , but I forgot to enquire of you , whether the Dissenting Party gave any great encouragement to this Project of the Comprehension ; for unless they promised to come in , as soon as these Alterations were made ; to what purpose was all this trouble taken ? They could not be so vain as to imagine that this conduct would be very acceptable to their own side , and therefore unless they had moral Assurances of bringing over the Dissenters , I think they reckon'd all this while without their Host , not to take notice that they made themselves cheap and contemptible into the bargain . Hick . What some few of the topping Leaders amongst the Dissenters might promise to do , in case such Alterations were consented to , I cannot resolve you ; but as for the generality both of the Pastors and the People , I don't believe they would have budged a foot for the matter . Perhaps to two or three of their chief Levites , a Bishoprick of Two Thousand Pounds per Annum , with a very few Amendments , might have become palatable enough ; but as then such choice Blessings could not be distributed to all , and besides were few in number in comparison of more inconsiderable Places ; so there 's all the reason in the World to conclude , that but very few would have quitted their Station . Pryn. I am clearly of your opinion ; for Interest you know is the great business of all Mankind . The Fanatick Divines for their part follow their own Interest with as zealous an Application as any other Persons ; and I am assured , that if they found no advantage in the Comprehension , they would never comply with it . Hick . 'T is very apparent that their Interest advised them to continue where they were ; and I wonder why the other Party were such Blockheads , as to believe that they should be ever prevailed upon to sacrifice their old beloved Principle ; 't was endeavouring to Hedge the Cuckoe , even according to the Letter . Can you Mr. Pryn believe , that a Man of any tolerable discretion would ever leave his Congregation , where he reigns as absolute as the Mufti does at Constantinople ; where he Hangs , Draws and Quarters as he thinks convenient ; where he commands the People's Consciences , and consequently their Purses ; where he can melt them into Tears as often as he pleases ; where he 's caressed and treated every day with as much Ceremony , as a young Heir is at the first Moment when he comes to his Estate : Can you believe , I say , that he would quit all these mighty advantages , to come to a Church where he is not secure of meeting half this Respect and Veneration ; where his tall Metaphors and impertinent Harangues will make no impression ; where his Theatrical Grimaces will be all exploded ; where he must renounce his extempore Talent , and put himself to the severe expence of talking intelligibly , unless there were a certain prospect of a larger Revenue to make him swallow all these mortifying Considerations ? No , no , Mr. Pryn the dissenting Ministers are Masters of more Discretion than for the sake of a foolish Complement or two to relinquish their real Interest , and quit so advantageous a Post as they are already placed in . Pryn. What you have observed of their Divines , may I suppose be as reasonably concluded of the Laity . As matters were ordered in my time , and I believe they are not alter'd since , the Merits of the Separation were but very superficially examin'd by the People ; for most of 'em considered that being of that party help'd 'em to a good Trade , and what was more tempting helped 'em to the reputation of Sanctity , with certain hopes of a Saintship into the bargain , and so what wonder is it , if they continued firm to the Interests of that Church , where there was a good Trade , and a good Reputation , and a good Saintship besides to be had at such reasonable pennyworths ? Besides there 's a certain sort of a titillation , which only those who have experimented it can describe , in refusing to submit to whatsoever is publickly established . Men love to indulge their own humors , and can't indure to have the Government prescribe any rules to ' em . In fine , 't is the only sign of Discretion and a mature Judgment with some persons to dissent from all Mankind , and carve for themselves . I had almost like to have forgot that when we meet in corners to worship , it looks as if we were the little Flock of the Elect that the heat of Persecution had driven into those retreats ; but then all this mighty Zeal and Devotion that is kept alive by sweating and crowding , and being everlastingly bored by our Neighbour's Elbows , would certainly evaporate and expire in a large Church . So upon the whole matter I find no ground to believe that the People wou'd ever have been inclined to leave their old way of Worship , in case their Ministers had forsaken them , and therefore 't is I confess a surprizing thing to me that the Church of England should ever attempt to new model their Constitution , when they could propose so little benefit to themselves from doing it . Hick . They expected , you must understand , to have proselyted the whole body of Dissenters , tho' you and I have sufficiently observed what an unpracticable ill grounded Chymaera it was , and it would appear a thousand times more impossible to be effected , if we should take a full view of the other Separatists , as Quakers , Independents , Anabaptists , and so forth , whereas we have only been talking about the Presbyterians . But however impracticable the design be , yet those persons who were engaged in the Affair , either believed it to be very feasible , or else they would have persuaded the World that they thought it so . For in order to receive this vast number of People they expected , they were contriving how to enlarge the Church-Porches before-hand ; by the same token that I cou'd never hear any mention made of that Project , but it immediately put me in mind of a certain remarkable saying of Diogenes . Pryn. What was that I pray ? Hick . As the story goes , that itinerant Phylosopher came by chance to a damned little raskally Town in Rhodes with a huge swinging pair of Gates to it , so he ran to the Market place , and cries as loud as ever he was able : Good People lock up your Gates , shut 'em I say immediately , for fear your Town should take a frolick and run out of them . Pryn. So you imagined then that if the Church-Porches had been widen'd , the Congregation wou'd have presently run out at the Doors , did you not ? Hick . Why truly Mr. Pryn I did , and I don't question but that if the Comprehension had succeeded , I had been found a true Prophet as to this particular . Tho' I wish the design had taken effect , because I pray for the Church's Destruction , and don 't know any way so effectual ▪ to have produced it as what I am discoursing of , yet I cannot forbear to rail at the Blindness and Indiscretion of those People who laboured so mightily to bring an unavoidable Ruin and Scandal upon themselves . To quit a firm establishment and throw up the Fences of a well compacted Discipline , in order to get a little fulsome popular Applause for a moment , and oblige some of Iohannes de Nubibus 's wise Relations , was in my opinion as gross a piece of Stupidity , as it wou'd have been in Sampson , if he were now alive , to cut off his Hair wherein his Strength depended , and for no other design than to wear a Perruque , and qualify himself for keeping company with the Beaux of Covent-Garden . Pryn. So it was ; but how came the business to miscarry at last ? Hick . Tho' we had several persons of great Interest and Authority that joyn'd with us , and besides the late turn of Affairs seem'd very favourable to put this design in excution , yet the major part were of a different opinion . They pretended , that it was below the Dignity of the Church to alter Establishments for the sake of those People , who had taken care to give the World invincible assurances of their being contented with nothing but a throwing up of the whole . That a Faction within the Church ( which they apprehended might arise in case the Comprehension succeeded ) was infinitely more dangerous than the Schism without . That if some Concessions were made in favour of one Party , as soon as that was done , another Party might demand to have the like Indulgence shewn to them , and perhaps with as much reason , or at least with as much pretence . In fine , that those Alterations might have very ill Effects with the Members of their own Communion , and oblige them to seek that Steadiness and Constancy in another Church , which they cou'd not find at home . Thus our Plea was over-ruled at last , and that hopeful project which had employed so many sucking , Sermon-printing Authors to recommend it to the World , came unfortunately to nothing , to the great mortification and disappointment of several persons who had amused themselves with no ordinary expectations for their good Services in promoting it . But Sir , if you please , we 'll wave this Subject , which gives me abandance of uneasie Thoughts as often as I reflect upon it . — And now honest Mr. Pryn let me desire you to inform me , what weighty Concern it is , that has drawn you from the peaceful Mansions of the Dead to revisit the World , was it only to indulge your Curiosity , or is there a private Intreague at the bottom ? Pryn. Nothing of that nature upon my word . I was desirous to know whether Prelacy was abolished , and consequently the whole Train of Superstition banished and discarded ; how Affairs stood with the sober godly part of the Nation ; and lastly , what were the crying prevailing Sins of the Age. This was the true and only occasion of my journey , and I need not tell you , how far you wou'd oblige me by giving me a full account of all these matters . Hick . Alas Mr. Pryn , your are come in a very unlucky moment ! I am sorry that I have nothing of Consolation to entertain you with . Prelacy was never the darling of the People so much as at present ; it is too far own'd and supported by the Government to be ever undermin'd or ruined . Nay what is the most miserable case of all , it has so conspicuously deserved of the Protestant Interest in general , as well as of the particular Liberty and Property of the Subject , that we cannot attacque it with the least colourable Reproach or Calumny . Pryn. How ! And is it impossible then to trump the old Card of Popery , and so forth , upon them ? Hick . Why , truly Mr. Pryn 't is even so . We must take our everlasting farewel of that Argument , it will do us no farther service I can assure you . It has been the perpetual cry of the Saints , you know , ever since the beginning , that when ever a favourable opportunity shew'd it self , the Prelates and all that Party wou'd immediately list themselves in the Service of the Man of Sin. Pryn. I remember it very well , by the same token , that this aspersion did our Cause no inconsiderable service in the late Wars , when we traduced 'em all for being Babylonishly affected ; by Vertue of which Scandal we made a shift to get an Archbishop sacrificed on Tower-Hill , and the whole Fraternity totally extirpated . Hick . What you say is indeed very true . But alas ! I cannot think upon it without considering at the same time how unfortunate we their Posterity are , who cannot presume to perform such glorious Exploits . The only thing we can do , is to make a little Clamor about Prelatical Persecution ; but even this pretence vanishes and makes no impression , as soon as People reflect upon the Rigor and iron Yoke of Presbytery , when by the Pious Efforts of the Parliament in Forty Three , it was advanced to the Chair . But as I hinted to you before , we must take our everlasting Farewel of our old dearly beloved Topick of Popery , for we cannot mention it without reproaching our selves to the highest degree , and doing them the greatest Honour in the World. Pryn. Though I must confess I have an incurable hatred to Episcopacy , as I believe all Persons have that are deeply tinctured with my Principles , yet I cannot forbear to acquaint you , that if what you say is really true , it would oblige me to abate a great deal of my old Severity and Prejudices against them . Hick . The late King you must understand was a zealous Bigot for the Popish Religion , and endeavour'd by all the ways in the World to introduce it into the Kingdom ; and as this Design was not to be executed , considering the posture of Affairs at that time , without making use of an unlimited Arbitrary Power , and carrying the Prerogative to greater heights than any of his Predecessors had done ; so the only Obstacle he met with , both in regard to Popery and the Dispensing Power , was from the Established Church . Not a single Pamphlet appeared , either from the Savoy or St. Iames's , but immediately all its little Artifices were laid open , and all the Arguments answered with that perspicuity of Thought , that beauty of Language , that variety of Learning , and above all , that respect to the Sovereign then in being , that I , even I , who am a Professed Enemy to the whole Tribe , and hate them as heartily as the Apothecaries hate the Chirurgeons that intrench upon their Trade ; yet cannot forbear to do them this undeniable piece of Justice . Nay would you believe it ? Seven of the Prelates chose a voluntary Imprisonment , rather than contribute the least either to the introducing of Popery , or the Slavery of their Country ; so that that Religion had in a manner abdicated a long time before its Monarch . All this while the Dissenters — Pryn. — Ay , what did they do ? for you know they use to smell Popery at as great a distance as — Hick . As they say a certain Peer's Horse can smell Fire . Pryn. And besides hate Popery and all its wicked Works as mortally . Hick . As an itinerant begging Levite does Pluralities , or a Griping old Cit does a Lecture against Oppression . Why all this while , Mr. Pryn. the Dissenters sate as mute as a new Sea-Chaplain in an Engagement ; and notwithstanding there were every day fresh advances made in behalf of the Romish Religion , yet they seemed to apprehend the danger of Popery no more , than Noah and his Family did the Conflagration , when they were stow'd up in the Ark. Pryn. You have certainly a Design to amuse me with Impossibilities , for in my time I am sure the Dissenters were another sort of Men ; rather than not find Popery some where or another , they could then find it out in Christmas-Pies and Plum-Porridge ; and rather than not quarrel with Idolatry , they could then quarrel with the Will-worship of May-poles . Hick . Upon my word , Mr. Pryn , 't is every Syllable true what I have told you ; you need not entertain any such ill-grounded a suspicion of me , as to imagine that I would slander them in the least . To reassume my Discourse , I don't know of one single Sheet of Paper that was written either by any of their Divines , or so much as a Lay Elder against the common Adversary ; nor did I ever hear of the least inclination they shew'd to oppose Popery by way of Discourse , unless it were a certain Minister of that stamp here in Town , who as often as he mentioned King Iames in his Prayers , very honestly prayed that he might become the terrour of Rome . Pryn. What ? that a Popish King might become the terrour of Rome ; O Incorrigible Sot ! And why not as well that he might become the Scourge of Constantinople ? Nay why did he not carry his ridiculous Banter farther , and Pray as follows ? Viz. May he fall foul upon the Skirts of the Great Mogul , and confound the Devices of the Cham of Tartary . May the Bey of Algiers truckle to him , and the Mad King of Madagascar be his most Humble Servant . May his West-India Plantations never fail to send his Subjects the best Tobacco , and his East-India Factories never fail to send them the best Spices to put in their Bottled Ale. All this Stuff might have been as pertinently pray'd for , as that a Popish King might become the Terrour of Rome . And was this all they did ? Hick . You shall hear . Instead of encountering our profest Enemies , who were every day gaining ground upon us , the Dissenters employ'd themselves in nothing else but charging the Church of England with a Spirit of Persecution , tho' what they suffered was , between Friends I may say it , rather upon the score of an open plain Conspiracy , than for their Religion ; and besides , was not to be named in the same Year with what the Episcopal Party had without any pretence of Equity , suffer'd under their Dominion formerly . Pryn. These undiscreet Proceedings gave admirable Sport and Entertainment to the Priests , without question . But pray proceed . Hick . Shortly after this , the late King for Reasons obvious and evident enough , was pleased to issue out a Free Toleration to all his loving Subjects of what Perswasion soever ; and tho' the Dissenters , if they had had but half the Understanding of an Humble-Bee , might have easily perceived the drift and meaning of that Indulgence , yet they either really were , or what is full as stupid , pretended to be altogether insensible of the design . You cannot imagine how dutifully they swallow'd this Bait , tho' it scarce served to cover the Hook. Every Gazette was so crouded wtth their fulsome Addresses , that a Man , unless he had a particular Interest at Court , could scarce prevail to get a stray'd Horse , or a deserting Prentice into the Advertisements . You 'd almost have sworn , it had rained Complements for a Twelve month together , as Livy says it rained Stones before the Punick War ; and such indeed these Complements were , for they proved as fatal at last to the deluded Prince , as the Brick-bats did to St. Stephen . No young fluttering Coxcomb ever deified his Mistress after so prodigal a rate , no hungry Poet ever squander'd away so much nauseous Flattery and Rhetorick upon a liberal Patron , as they did upon the mistaken Monarch for his No gift of a Toleration . In short , if they had had all Arabia in their hands , it wou'd not have furnish'd them with Incense enough upon this occasion : by their frequent Correspondence with the other Party , they were got too into their Dialect , and so talked of nothing else but Oblations and Sacrifices . And what were their Sacrifices ? even those goodly Things called Lives and Fortunes . Tho' by the by , Mr. Pryn , they sacrificed them as really , and as much according to the Letter , as the Roman Priests do their Saviour in the Sacrifice of the Mass. Pryn. You have perfectly astonished me with your News . Oh the degeneracy of this profligate Age. Their Forefathers I am sure , were Men of another kidney . They cou'd scarce be brought to acknowledge the Lawful Rights of Princes ; and here their graceless unworthy Sons pay a servile Adoration to a confess'd Arbitrary Power . — Well , I find , I must make all the hast I can to the other World , to converse again with the Hero's of the last Age ; for I have not Patience enough to tarry a moment longer in this . Hick . Nay , nay , Mr. Pryn , prithee don't be so eager . If you 'll listen a while , you 'll see the Dissenters are not a Pack of such reprobate Creatures , as you concluded them at first to be . The Saints you know may sometimes have their back-slidings , and who can help it : but then the Saints by virtue of a small Repentance , may soon recover their Reputation again in the World. To be short , Mr. Pryn , the Dissenters as they are no Raskals , so they are no Fools ; they knew better things , than to stand by a Dispensing Monarchy when it came to the trial ; they believed , and still believe no more of the Iure Divino of King-ship , than they do of the Iure Divino of the Alcoran ; and tho' they made so many specious repeated Promises of sacrificing you know what , yet to their immortal Honour be it spoken , when they came to consider cooly and soberly of the Matter , they found there was rank Popery in the Word . Indeed , if a Man had not known them , and their Principles somewhat better , he might have been apt to think the same thing of them , as the Gentleman did of a certain Rake-hell of a Levite , whom he found very strenuously declaiming against Leudness , viz. that they had been in earnest : but alas , Mr. Pryn , they designed nothing in the World but a Jest , a meer Jest , when they made so many Solemn Vows of their Sincerity and Allegiance ; and if their Conduct in the late Reign was a little obnoxious to Censure , and so forth ; yet by their behaviour under this , they have made a sufficient atonement for it . Since the late Revolution they have asserted the Deposing Power with as much freedom and vigour , as ever they did between Forty One and the Restauration . The Rights of our Soveraign Lords The People are publickly maintained ; and there 's ne're a Pulpit-Thrummer of that Character here in the Town , but has as often told his Congregation , That Kings are accountable to the Subject for every miscarriage : as he has whisper'd to the Women , that unless they rifle their Husband's Pockets to pay the Minister , they are to expect nothing but Fire and Brimstone in another World. Pryn. Why this makes me some amends for what you told me before . Hick . What is more , Mr. Pryn , all the bold publick spirited Pamphlets that visited the World in the late blessed Times of Liberty and Property , have been lately Re-printed , and cried about the Streets ; and Scandal , God be thanked , is as much in fashion every where , as Flattery and Dissimulation at the Court , or Cheating in the City , as Whoredom in Venice , or an Insensibility for one's Religion in Holland . Secret Histories are as ready Money to the godly Booksellers , as a secret Reserve of Claret to the Vintner . The Covenant begins to regain its credit with the World , and a Commonwealth , or what is the same , a precarious Monarchy , is not talked of so disrespectfully as formerly . Nay , rather than want Scandal to furnish our Customers with , we have travelled as far as Scotland to provide ourselves of so precious a Commodity , and now we have enough upon our hands to supply all the Markets in Christendom . Not to be tedious with you , Mr. Pryn , the Dissenters are the very same Men as to this particular concern , as ever they were ; and tho' , as in Interest bound , they pretend to have the greatest veneration imaginable for their present Majesties , yet to keep them in awe , and make them mindful of their Stewardship , they treat their Royal Predecessors with as little Ceremony , and as much Freedom , as a Man would a common Porter or Scavenger in the Streets . Their private Failings and Infirmities have been exposed to the World as publickly as the Votes of the House , and what never fails to be done upon such occasions , they have lost nothing at all in the relation . Pryn. That I believe . And now , Sir , let me tell you , this latter part of your Discourse has as it were revived me , if a Ghost may be allowed to use such an expression . The truth on 't is , I have in the other World heard most of the things you have been pleas'd to relate to me ; but then the account of Affairs that we have below is so very uncertain , and withal reported so differently , according to the particular genius and inclination of the Relator , that one cannot tell whom to believe , or what News to depend upon . This was partly the occasion why I impos'd upon myself this troublesome Journey ; and I shall always reckon myself indebted to my good Stars , for giving me the opportunity to satisfie all my Doubts , from the Conversation of so worthy a Person as yourself , whose Sincerity I have no more reason to question , than I have to deny the great Obligations of your Civility to a Stranger . Hick . Oh fie , Mr. Pryn ! I must desire you to forbear these Complements . I vow to God , you 'll make me blush now , if you advance 'em any farther upon your humble Servant . Pryn. Indeed I must needs own , it rejoyces me exceedingly to hear that our old Friends have not apostatized from their Ancient Principles and Tenets about Government ; but what troubles me at the same time is , that they have dropt the old Pretence and Charge of Popery , which is to my knowledge , the best Jewel they have in their Crown . Their Ancestors I am confident wou'd sooner have renounced their Magna Charta , and Hopkins into the bargain , than have parted with so advantageous , and so popular a Calumny . I remember those blessed Times , and the remembrance of 'em is the greatest entertainment I have to relieve all my pensive Moments in the Shades below , when every thing in the World that was displeasing and offensive to the Brethren , went under the Name of horrid , abominable Popish Superstition . Organs and Maypoles , Bishops Courts and the Bear-Garden , Surplices and Long Hair , Cathedrals and Play-Houses , Sett Forms and painted Glass , Fonts and Apostles Spoons , Church-Musick and Bull-baiting , Altar-Rails and Rosemary on Brawn ; nay , Fiddles , Whitson-Ale , Pig at Bartholomew-Fair , Plum-porrige , Puppet-shows , Carriers Bells , Figures in Gingerbread , and at last Moses and Aaron , the Decalogue , the Creeds , and the Lord's Prayer — Hick . Pass'd all for antichristian carnal Devices , Rags of Popery , Things of human Invention , set up by the Man of Sin to scandalize the Saints , and pervert the unstable . Pryn. You say right ; and so was every thing you can name , except a black Sattin Cap. Hick . Because it savoureth of Gravity . Pryn. A Sack-posset . Hick . For lo ! it encourageth the Minister in his Ministry . Pryn. A Surloyn of Beef . Hick . Because the Saints are verily gross Feeders . Pryn. A long Cloak . Hick . Because , like Charity , it covereth a multitude of Sins . Pryn. A long Prayer . Hick . Because Widdows and Orphans are not palatable without ' em . Pryn. A long Allegory . Hick . For behold it is very refreshing to the White Aprons . Likewise except long Ears , Mr. Pryn. There I think I have bobbed you . Pryn. Aside . An Extempore Sermon . Hick . Because Extempore Nonsence , is more excusable than studied Nonsence . Pryn. An Ordinance of Both Houses . Hick . Because a King is virtually included in them . Pryn. A fat Capon and a Bag-pipe . Hick . Because the one is a Geneva Dish , and the other a Scotch Covenanting Instrument . Lastly , Mr. Pryn , to sum up all the Evidence together , because we wou'd not lose time , except Committee-Men and Lay-Elders , Battle and Murder , Free Quarter and Famine , Sequestrations and Decimations , Compositions and Monthly Excise : And all this was but necessary and requisite , in order to humble the Prophane , to mortifie the Ungodly , and pull down the Pride of the wicked Malignants , that so being sequestred from the Vanities of this World , they might have nothing else to mind , but how to lick themselves whole in another . Pryn. Then my dear Friend , we carried on the blessed Work of the Reformation , as far as Zeal inspired with Interest cou'd carry it . We reformed the Almanacks , new Christen'd the Festivals , Unsainted the Apostles , set the Chimes to Psalm-Tunes , and gutted the Bible of the Service-Book and Apocrypha . A Crown , a Cross , an Angel and Bishop's Head cou'd not be endured , so much as in a Sign . Our Garters , Bellows , and Warming-Pans wore godly Motto's , our Band-boxes were lined with wholesome Instructions , and even our Trunks with the Assembly-mens Sayings . Ribbons were converted to Bible-strings . Hick . And so were Graces to Long-Prayers , and Churches to Stables . Pryn. Nay , in our Zeal we visited the Gardens and Apothecaries Shops . So Unguentum Apostolicum was commanded to take a new Name , and besides , to find Security for its good behaviour for the future . Carduus Benedictus , Angelica , St. Iohn's-wort , and our Ladies Thistle were summoned before a Class , and forthwith ordered to distinguish themselves by more sanctified Appellations . Thus by the plausible appearance of our great Piety , and our zealous Performances in rooting out Popery and Superstition , we got an absolute ascendant over the Hearts of the People , and managed them just as we pleased . But alas , these Golden Times are clearly gone , and I am afraid we are to expect 'em no more . Hick . I told you before , Mr. Pryn , 't is to no purpose to charge the Church of England with any more Popery . What they did in the late Reign has made such an effectual impression upon every body , that so ridiculous a Calumny is never to be used , at least as long as this Generation is alive . Besides , to tell you the truth , the People are somewhat wiser in this Age , than to take every thing for Popery , which a formal Thing in a little Band , and a black Cloak calls by that Name . Pryn. Why then we must bethink ourselves of some other expedient . I remember a pleasant Story of a Fellow in my time , that had a Show at a Fair , so it seems the business in hand required a little Snow : says the Master of the Booth to the Fellow that managed Affairs behind the Curtain , Why don't you Snow there ? Sir , says the Fellow aloud to him , all the White Paper 's gone . Why then you Blookhead , cries the Master , Snow in some Brown Paper . And therefore Mr. Hick — , since the old Clamour about Popery will be no longer serviceable to us , let us conjure up something else to promote our Cause . Hick . That 's well enough considered . And who so fit to draw up the Indictment against the Prelatick Party , as the experienced Mr. Pryn ? Your Talent I am sure lies in Scandal , and unless the other World has alter'd you for the worse , you are not unprovided of Malice to encourage you to do it . Pryn. What think you then , if we shou'd tax 'em with Ignorance , and want of Learning ? Hick . It wou'd do very well , I confess , if you cou'd but perswade the Booksellers to burn all the Books and Sermons they have Printed within these twenty Years ; for those are like to be so many speaking Evidences against us : and then you must be sure to clap a Padlock upon most of the Conventicles here in Town ; for if our Enemies should take occosion to peep in there , 't is ten to one , but they 'll return the Charge back again upon those that began it ; There 's first of all Mr. Burg — ss , yonder in Covent Garden , must be desired to hold his Peace ; for you cann't imagine how strangly People talk of him , for the freedom he uses in his Pulpit , and particularly saying , a Sunday or two ago , That our Saviour was the Second Edition of God Almighty's Will with Amendments . Then we must likewise silence poor Mr. Mayow , at Colledge-Hill , he that in the Days of Yore held a Brew-house in Commendam with a Conventicle , by the same Token that the Ungodly rail'd at him for keeping Pluralities , not knowing that the Saints ought to have Grains of Allowance given ' em . And lastly the zealous Mr. Timothy Cr-s-r must be serv'd after the same manner , a plain unaffected Preacher , 't is true , and one that values himself as much upon the score of his being unacquainted with the Fathers , as a jealous Cheapside Cit hugs himself for being unacquainted with any of the borrowing Courtiers . He was haranguing the other day about the late Rapes , and told his Auditory , That so manifold and sundry were the Rapes committed in and about the Town , that it looked as if the great Enemy of Mankind the Devil , had sown the City with Rape-seed . This has sunk his Reputation somewhat in the World. There are several others in the same predicament with these ; but it wou'd be as troublesome to enlarge upon their Characters , as to acquaint you with all the variety of Night-Caps , Flannel Shirts , Wastcoats , Doublets , and Upper-Coats a certain Noble Peer wears in the Winter . Pryn. I find by what you have told me , it will not be so very convenient to muster up the Charge of Ignorance . But what say you now to the old Imputation of Debauchery and Profaneness . Hick . I am afraid , Mr. Pryn , this same business will do us as little service as the former , 't is a two-edged Sword , and cuts either way . We still call ourselves indeed , the sober godly part of the Nation ; for the same reason , I suppose , as the Kings of England stile themselves Kings of France , viz. because our Forefathers were so : But they , a shame take 'em for it , wore their Hypocrisie to Rags , and so their Sons were cheated of their Inheritance , and have only the Name to boast of . A pious Sister can now pass by a Church , even when the Organ is playing , and yet fall into no Fits , or be discomposed at the matter : And a moody Brother can ride his Horse by a May-Pole , and yet the insensible Beast never starts , or offers to throw his Master ; even singing of Psalms in private Families is as much out of fashion , as paying of Debts with the Men of Alsatia ; a Man may go through the Poultry , or any of the most sanctified Streets about the Town a hundred times , and hear none of the comfortable Poetry of Sternhold , and Wisdom . Lay Elders send their Daughters to Dancing Schools , and their Sons wear Long Hair , and set up for Sparks of the Town . 'T is a sad observation , Mr. Pryn , but a very true one , that as a Miser generally begets a Prodigal , so a Saint begets a Rake-hell . Pryn. Alas , I am sorry to hear it , and is there then ne're a publick spirited Son of Thunder in the whole Tribe , that has Courage and Hardiness enough to lash the degeneracy of the Age , and awake People to a sense of their Duty ? Hick . No Mr. Pryn , since you left the Earth , we have been destitute of such brave , fiery , resolute Patriots . There is indeed one Mr. Stephens a Poultry-Author , that has very lately attempted something of this nature , but through his too zealous management of the Affair it happen'd to miscarry . He proposed to the Parliament , to have the beginning or pledging of a Health , punish'd with the same Penalty as he sets upon Swearing , which is the precise Sum of twenty shillings , and in case of disability , to have those notorious Offenders put in the Stocks and whipt . So likewise , for any one that should presume to keep an Organ in a Publick House , to be fined 20 l. and made uncapable of being an Ale-draper for the future . But Mr. St — did not think this punishment was sufficient for 'em , so he humbly requested to have 'em excommunicated into the bargain , and not to be absolv'd without doing Publick Penance ? Pryn. And did so pious a Project as this come to nothing do you say . Hick . 'T is very true , Mr. Pryn , it was nipt in the bud . Not to be tedious with you , there are none of the Dissenters that make any tolerable pretence to their ancient Austerity but the Quakers , and even they begin to decline by degrees from their primitive Institution . They still make a shift to retain their distinguishing Garb , their little Cravats , broad-brim'd Hats , short Hair , and Coats without Pockets before ; but as for the rest of the Separatists , they have clearly lost all their Ear-marks ; you may meet with twenty and twenty of 'em in the Streets , and yet not be able to distinguish 'em from the prophane part of Mankind , by any exterior appearances . And to say the truth , their Forefathers are to be blamed for it ; they wore their Hypocrisie , as they say a Welch-man wears a Shirt , till it drop off from their shoulders ; they did not leave Hypocrisie , but Hypocrisie left them . Pryn. Well , I should utterly despair of ever hearing that Presbytery wou'd make a figure again in the World , unless it were for some comfortable News that I have learn'd of a Scotch Ghost in the other World. He inform'd me of the miraculous Turn of Affairs in that Kingdom , how Episcopacy was abolished , and Christianity in its puris naturalibus set up in the room of it ; and what is yet more material , how the Covenant , the Covenant of blessed Memory is still looked upon as obligatory . So I am in good hopes our dear Brethren there will cross the Tweed , one of these days , to remove the accursed thing , to propagate the Cause , and establish the great Works of Righteousness and Truth . Hick . Take my word for 't , Mr. Pryn , that Turn of Affairs , as you call it , in Scotland , is not so much for our advantage as you imagine . For my part , I 'm so far from thinking it will contribute any thing to our Interest , that on the other hand , I fear it has broke the Neck of our Reputation , or rather of our Juggling . They have carried on the Reformation in that Kingdom with so much heat and rigour , not to call it cruelty , that altho' their Brethren of the same Perswasion here in England have made a horrid noise about the persecuting Spirit of the Established Church , and daily talk of Moderation , and giving Quarter to those of a different Religion ; yet 't is breath foolishly spent , for every body believes they wou'd Copy from their dear Brethren of Scotland , if ever they shou'd arrive to have the Power in their hands . Such an ill favour'd Accident as this happen'd in the late Reign : The Jesuits were willing to wipe off some of the most popular Scandal from Popery , so they prevail'd with the King to grant Liberty of Conscience to all his Subjects , and then they fell a magnifying the Charity and Bowels of the Church of Rome , after a wonderful manner . At the same time those of the Society in France , were playing the Devil at the expence of the poor Hugonets ; so it was a very comical Scene to observe with what flourishes the Priests recommended Love and Unity , and Forbearance to us here at home , when there daily came over such shoals of French Refugee's to contradict every Syllable they said ; and 't is no small diversion to our Enemies without doubt , to hear our Dissenting Parsons talk of Peaceableness and Gentleness , and the Lord knows what , when our streets are crouded with so many of the Episcopal Clergy of the other Kingdom , whom the Presbyterian Moderation has forced to seek their Bread in another Climate . — But stay , who comes here , 't is one of my own Cloath David J — appears . I perceive . I 'll say that for him , he 's a brave lusty well-built Fellow . But he mutters with himself , like a bilked Coach-man , or a disappointed Projector , and looks as fierce and furious as if he had some strange design or other upon Daniel and the Revelations . David . What to be thus ridicul'd and affronted , for the sake of an innocent well-meaning Sermon ! to be crost and tost from Doctors-Commons to Fulham , and at last to have an Ecclesiastical Padlock set upon my Mouth , 't is hard , nay barbarous , nay Paganish , and Unchristian . Pryn. What does the Fellow mean , I wonder . David . When sins do once begin to grow to an head , and to become in fashion , they are to be roughly and severely dealt withal . An ordinary concern in such a case , is no better than silence , and silence in such a case is no better than down-right flattery . And to hold our Peace in such a case is all one , as to cry aloud , Peace , peace . Pryn. That is as much as to say , 't is all one to speak , and to say nothing . This young Sir Roger , I perceive , besides his other laudable Qualities , has a pretty Talent at quibling . David . But people will say , Alas poor Man ! These Times will never bear it . But to these I answer , These Times will , and must , and shall bear it , if I say the word . Iniquity , let it be distinguish'd by what Titles it will , shall feel the severity of my Indignation , and Prelates shall learn by my Example , what Vices to lash , and what Sins to preach against . Hick . Bravely resolved , I protest : He 's one of us , I perceive , Brother Pryn , I' faith I long to be acquainted with him . David . To think that a little foolish Admonition wou'd prevail with me so far , as to make me neglect my Duty , and the Salvation of Souls ! 't was meer stuff . No , I 'll roar against Sin louder than Euroclydon in the Acts , I 'll bestride the Dragon upon Bow , and from thence denounce Perdition and Desolation to the whole City . Hick . Nay , now I begin to melt . Something within whispers me , that this young Boanerges and I were cast in the same Mold . 'T is a tough brawny fighting Carle I warrant him , he 'd make you nothing of a dozen Porters or Water-men at a time . I wish I had him at Colchester to read Prayers , and fight my Battels for me . David . All Mankind is my Diocess , and every particular Sin subject to my Visitation : Before the Courtiers I 'll preach against false Promises , and no Payments . Before the Town-Ladies , against hiring a Friend to joyn 'em with some noted Gallant in a Lampoon , and carrying their Patch-Boxes , and Pocket-Looking-glasses to Church . Before the Foot-Guards , against building of Sconces , and rubbing out of Milk-scores . Before the Beaux of Covent-Garden , against Lamblacking of Signs , and bilking Hackney-Coaches . Before the Poets — Hick . If you can get 'em into the Church , I suppose , otherwise not . David . Against stealing from one another , flattering their Patrons , and shamming their Booksellers . Before Porters , against Whipping the Snake , and squandering away their precious time at Putt , and All-Fours . Pryn. Just of my own humour and inclination , I vow . I can scarce forbear interrupting him . David . Thus I 'll discharge my indispensable Duty , without all fear or favour [ p. 10. ] . I 'll reprove the Lawyers for prolonging their Law-Suits ; the Physitians for prolonging their Cures , the Vintners for selling Claret for Barcelona , and the City-Aldermen for forgetting their Leather-Breeches . Hick . I find he 'll make his words good . He 'll visit all Mankind before he has done . David . Merchants shall find the severity of my wrath , for their taking 20 per Cent. Military Officers for making false Musters ; the City-Justices for conniving at Fornication in Sattin , and punishing it in Grape : Chamber-Maids for telling Tales behind their Master's back ; Gentlemen Ushers for carrying such small pittiful Legs about them , to the great scandal of their Ladies , as if they had drained ' em . Schoolmasters for suffering their Boys to be meer Arrians in Grammar , and confound the Three Persons ; the two Universities for neglecting Aristotle , and preferring Men of no merit ; and lastly Divines for a whole Cart-load , nay a Multitude , nay an Ocean of — Hick . I can hold no longer an' I were to be hang'd . He has won the heart of me for ever . Worthy Sir , I am your most humble Servant . My Friend and I here made bold to over-hear your Discourse , and are perfectly ravish'd to find , that there is a young Man of such rare integrity , and boldness in the Nation , from whom we are to expect such Miracles and Prodigies . David . Sir , you are both Strangers . I don't understand how — Hick . Come , come , dear Heart , I know thy meaning as well as if I had been in the Belly of thee . Thou wast going to tell us , that thy Parts do not lie much in Complementing ; no more do mine , I 'll assure thee . Why , Child , I am of the same kidney with thy dear self . I am as gruff , and testy , and proud , and ill-natur'd a Fellow as thou cou'dst wish for . But to let thee see , my young Drawcansir , that thou art not fallen into bad Company , that is the Ghost of the famous William Pryn , and I am the no less famous Hick — of Colchester . David . Oh the unexpected Happiness that my good Fortune has thrown upon me ! That I shou'd be so happy , as to meet with two such celebrated Persons at a time . And art thou then the Ghost of the indefatigable , irrefragable , invincible Mr. Pryn , for whose Writings and other Vertues I have ever had so great a veneration . Pryn. The very same , dear Sir : and I shall not think my Journey into this World ill bestow'd , since it has furnished me with the opportunity of seeing so accomplish'd a Person . David . And art thou likewise the puissant , Polemic Divine of Colchester , Edm. Hick — by Name , with Heart of Oak , and Lungs of Leather ? Oh thou true Mirror of Ecclesiastical Chivalry ! Hick . I am he , my Noble Son of Thunder , for want of a better . And sha'nt we have one civil touch at Fifty-cuffs , or so , before we part . Odd I long mightily to exercise my hand . But dear Rogue , we 'll only batter one another in jest . Pryn. Well Sir , I hope you are satisfied with your Company . Not to amuse you then with any farther Ceremonies , which is always needless and impertinent amongst Friends , I wou'd willingly be acquainted with your present Condition and Circumstances . You may assure your self , I shall ever be ready to do you what Service I can , which is to give you a good Character before-hand , in the other World ; and as for my Friend there , I don't question but he 'll employ all his Interest for you , whenever he 's favoured with an opportunity . Hick . Ay , ay , you may swear I 'll do him all the kindness I can . I 'll make a Dean , a Bishop , an Arch-deacon , the Lord knows what of thee , one of these days , my dear Lad. Tho' may Small beer , and no Brandy be my portion , if I have Interest enough to help him to any higher Preferment , than to be Chaplain to a Market-Boat . Aside . David . Truly Gentlemen , I take you both for a couple of civil vertuous Persons , Men of my own complexion and temper , and therefore shall not conceal the least material passage of my Life from you . — To begin then , Wales is my Native Country . Hick . I am glad to hear it , my bold Britain , with all my heart . Unless my Memory fails me , we are indebted to that place for Pelagius , and the more modern Martin Mar-Prelate , besides thy heroick self . David . Oxford the Scene of my Education , where I have still a small foolish Trifle , which another Man perhaps wou'd value , but I hate and despise . At present my Residence is in London , where I design two things : First , To put in for the next vacant Lecture , or Reader 's place ; and Secondly ; in order to that , To rail and bellow at all the visible and invisible Vice in the Nation . Hick . Very politickly contrived , dear Heart . But may I make so bold with you , as to enquire , why the University is not honoured with your Company ; especially , since to use your own expression , you have a certain Trifle there , which one wou'd think , might oblige you to continue upon the spot , a year or two longer . David . Sir , you have put a question to me , which it goes somewhat against the grain to answer ; but since I promised to conceal nothing from you , I must tell you then , that my Life was so very uneasie to me there , that I wou'd much rather chuse to live in Green-land , or a Tobacco-Plantation , than in the University . Pryn. And what might be the occasion of that , my dearly beloved Son. David . Nothing in the World as I know of , but onely my plain dealing humour ; for if a Doctor or so chanced to preach a dull Sermon , I cou'd not forbear to quarrel with him upon that score : or , if a Head of a House preferr'd an undeserving Fellow , I was sure to make all the Coffee-Houses in the Town ring with the News ; or if a Professor made a publick Speech , 't was ten to one but I found out either false Latin , or no Philosophy in it ; or if such a Man used to take his Bottle of Wine before he went to Bed , why 't is very likely I taxed him with the Sin of Drunkenness . In short , there was nothing acted in the University , either of a publick or private nature , but I according to the open frankness of my humour , made bold to examine , and generally to find fault with . The great Men there , were too much conceited of themselves , to consult my Advice , and so let 'em share the blame amongst ' em . But 't was none of my fault , I daily told 'em of their Duty . Hick . A very free plain-dealing sort of a temper this , as one may say . But to pursue the Discourse , how hast thou spent thy time since , thou Heir Apparent to my Prowess , and Fortitude . David . After a year or two's continuance in the Country , I removed to London , where I presum'd I might have a fairer opportunity of shewing my Parts , than Wales could afford . Here I have preached for some time , as often as my Friends would accommodate me with a Pulpit , and tho' I say it , that should not , not without the general approbation of the People here in the City . But now I am afraid I must take my last Farewell of Preaching , for I can prevail with no body almost to lend me a Pulpit . They are as afraid of lending it . Hick . As a Citizen is of lending his Wife to a Courtier . And sayst thou so dear Heart ! 't is no great matter . I dare engage any of the Conventicles here in Town , wou'd be glad to receive a Youth of such commendable Qualities . But prithee , how comes it about , that People are so shie to venture thee in their Pulpits . David . The same frank open humour that made me so remarkable at Oxford , has attended me to this City . So if the Clergy-man for whom I preach was famous for his Talent of Oratory , and so forth , I never fail'd to wipe him for preaching up himself , and turning the Pulpit into a Rostrum : or if he was a Noble-man's Chaplain , and visited the Court but once a Month , he was sure to be chastised for degrading the Royal Priesthood , for serving Tables , and ascending downwards to Temporal Iudicatures [ pag. 14. ] . Hick . A very ingenious Expression that of Ascending downwards to Temporal Iudicatures . David . Well then , this is all , upon my word , Gentlemen . Hick . And enough in Conscience . But after this open , free-hearted manner ( as Erasmus tells us ) the Mendicant Fryars were used to serve the Secular Clergy . If the Parish Priest , of whom they begged a Nights Lodging , was so civil as to break the Saturday-Fast for their sakes , and give 'em a far Capon for Supper , to be sure these plain-dealing People requited him next Morning for his Hospitality , and acquainted the whole Congregation with the story of the Capon . David . I have likewise disobliged my Brethren with a Sermon that I lately printed ; but let 'em say what they please , I am sure there 's nothing in it , which a conscientious honest Man may be ashamed to own — Stay , let me see , I think I have a couple of 'em or more in my Pocket . Mr. Pryn , will you condescend to accept so small a Trifle from your Humble Admirer ? Here 's another for you , Mr. Hick — Hick . Hold , what have we here ? A Sermon preached at Christ-Church , London , Nov. 2. 1690. By David Jones , Student of Christ-Church in Oxford . What , have we more still in the Title-page ? Published at the Request of his Friends . Nay then it cannot fail to be an Excellent one indeed . But pray , Sir , what may be the drift , the meaning , and the design of your Sermon ? David . To make all the Clergy-men odious and contemptible to the Laity . 'T is no more than what they deserve you know . Hick . Why then your Friends , at whose Request it was published , are , I suppose , the Dissenters , or some who would not be sorry to see all the Parsons in the Kingdom turned out of all , and reduc'd to Beggery . David . 'T is an universal , bold-spirited Satyr , and touches the whole Fraternity one way or other . Imprimis , 'T is a Satyr against Eloquence . Hick . I love thee dearly for that : For I hate Eloquence in a Sermon as heartily as I do a Citation from Doctors-Commons . I will certainly make thee Heir to my old , trusty , serviceable Cane , and my more serviceable Concordance for this . David . In the next place , 't is a Satyr against Pluralities and Non-Residence . Hick . Well , I must needs say this , we pitiful sorry Rascals , that have either no Benefice at all , or what is as bad , a very small one , rail at Pluralities with the best grace of any man breathing : And thus we rail at Eloquence in other People , because we are not Masters of it our selves . Pryn. This same Clamour about Pluralities was ever used by the Saints , tho' when they came to get the Power in their hands they practised it themselves . For I remember honest Mr. Marshal inveighed very furiously against this sin , even when he carried three Steeples in his Pocket , as the wicked Malignants observed . Hick . However I commend thee dear Heart for Preaching against Pluralities here in England , and not in thy own Country ; for tho' it may be a sin here , 't is not so I am confident in Wales . If holding of two Benefices , where one of 'em does not afford a competent Maintenance , is no Crime at all , then in Wales a Man may tack half a Diocess together , and yet not be charged with holding Pluralities . A dozen Vicaridges there , even with the Sunday advantage of a Bear and a Fiddle , will scarce keep the Minister , especially if he is married . David . Lastly , 'T is a Satyr against Eating or Drinking in a Lord's Family , but especially against Pride . Pryn. And that is a sin , under the Rose be it spoken , which we Reformers are as much guilty of , as any Men in the Universe . But my dear Son , are there no civil touches at Ceremonies and Superstition , and Altars in your Discourse . Hick . Hold Mr. Pryn , that 's no civil Question . You know the old saying , Nemo repente fuit , and so forth . Come , come , Rome was not built in a day , a Man must have time to refine and cultivate himself ; Mr. I-nes is a young Man , and one of these days will have a fling at all those paw things you have named ; if he has not done it already . I think he has given us enough in all Conscience for one single Sermon . Pryn. Nay , there I close with you . The Sermon by what account we have heard of it , is a very commendable worthy Sermon , and so great a value have I for it , that as soon as ever I arrive at the other World , I design to communicate it to all my choice Acquaintance there . David . That will be an extraordinary Honour I can assure you . Here 's another of 'em for you , and pray present it from me , to my Country-man Pelagius . Hick . And when your hand is in , you may tell him , That the Author of it will make as great a bustle in the world as ever he did . Pryn. You need not question but I 'll perform my Message very punctually . And now my dear Son ( for by that Name I must call you for the future ) to make you some small amends for this kind voluntary Gift of a Sermon that you have made me , I will make bold to give you a little Advice ; 't is all I can do at present for you ; and to make it find the greater welcome with you , I must in the first place tell you , that 't is the very same Advice that a late famous Assembly-man gave to a Nephew of his , a little before his going into the Vineyard . David . With all my heart , honoured Sir , I shall listen to it with a great deal of attention . Pryn. It was a constant saying with this Assembly man , That it was the principal part of a Divine's Office , to know how to manage Hell well . David . Manage Hell well ! In the Name of Wonder what did he mean by it . Pryn. You shall hear . As this learned Gentleman well observed , Hell consists chiefly in two Punishments , Roasting and Freezing , and a Minister ought to take special care when to terrifie the People with Roasting , and when with Freezing . For instance , says he : Suppose a Man in the heat of Summer , when we sweat and drip , and are ready to faint away , should talk of the freezing or gnashing of Teeth that is in Hell , People wou'd be apt to conclude 't is no such uncomfortable place as they imagined , but mistake it for a Grotto : And then again in the midst of Winter , if he should indiscreetly talk of roasting and fiting , they would certainly think it neither better nor worse than a Bagnio . By this means Hell wou'd lose most of its terrour , and terrour , according to the Doctrine of the Triers , is the first motive of a Man's Conversion . Therefore , Nephew , says he , whenever you preach , that you may frighten your Auditors into a true apprehension of the Torments of the other World , be sure you always apply your Roasting in the Summer , and your Freezing in the Winter . Hick . Very pretty Advice upon my word . But not to be behind hand with my Brother Pryn , pray take a little Advice from me too . You tell us , my young Drawcansir , that you have a design upon some Preferment here in the City ; and 't is a very laudable design I own : So you may rail at the Bishops and the Clergy till your heart akes , and the Cits will take thee for a Cherubim incarnate . But then hark you in my ear , not a word of Rebellion or Oppression , or cheating or griping ; or devouring of Widdows , or swallowing of Orphans , as you love your self ; not one single Syllable of all this , do you mind me . David . Well Gentlemen , I thank you heartily for your good Advice , which to say the truth , comes very seasonably at present , to support me under the heavy load of my Afflictions . Not to make a tedious recital of my Misfortunes , no Man has suffered more than myself , and less deserved it . Hick . Fie , fie , my Son of Thunder , You a Sufferer ? You an Alderman as well ; What it may come to in time , if you still preserve your vertuous Principles , I can't tell : But alas ! what you have already suffer'd , does not deserve a mentioning . What! you have been ill spoken of , I warrant ; And have not all your Predecessors in the Noble Army of Reformers been abused that way ten times more than yourself ? Or has an Ecclesiastical Padlock , as you call it , been clapt upon your Mouth ? Why 't is easily removed with a little sham Repentance . You had no Estate to lose , and no Preferment to forfeit . Therefore if ever you talk of Sufferers , then talk of me , and my Brother Pryn there . Pryn. Nay , now you are out of your Road , Brother Hick . You are not to be named in the same Year with myself , as to the point of Suffering . The utmost you underwent was a small Confinement and a small Suspension , Things really not fit to be call'd Sufferings in any Language . Whereas I was fined and imprisoned , and to compleat my Losses , lost my Ears at length . Hick . What you say is very true . You lost your Ears indeed ; But what of all that ? You made the poor Arch-bishop that ordered em to be cut off , to lose his Head , and was not that a sufficient Recompence ? For my own part , I protest to you ( and I dare swear the young Reformer is of my mind ) that if I cou'd have half that Revenge upon a certain Prelate that shall be nameless , I cou'd willingly submit to lose my Ears , nay , and be circumcised into the bargain . Pryn. That may be . But my time is now expired , and I can tarry no longer . Continue steadfast to your Principles . Farewell Brother Hick : dear Son Adieu . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A29784-e850 Reflections upon the discarriages of the Navy . Printed by J. Harris . Page 8. of his Sermon . Pag. 9.